DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1869

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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>18049977

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>>18071980
It should say
>One box of Anki reviews

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>>18072169
No. Buying video games I'll never play. Later.

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>>18071980
Hello guys,
I am just a average /jp/tohotrash, but i thinking about picking a second (foreign) language, and I cant decide between Japanese and Russian.

I know both of them need a lot of work to get into.

My question is, did you ever regret learning jap? Did you used is anywhere except reading/watcihing manga/anime? (I already read the FAQ and guide, soo i know the important part for me, it really helped me)

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>>18072208
i regret not learning years ago and giving up, not the opposite.

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>>18072208
>did you ever regret learning jap?
why would you?

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>>18072208
Russian would probably be more useful, but if you want to learn a language just to consume media then Japanese is the obvious choice. Your only regret would be not learning one or the other sooner. Start now. Decide now. Go.

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>>18072208
i occasionally eavesdrop on jap foreigners

it's good on a resume, friends and family are impressed, i have a friend studying jap in school and it's pretty much our only common point

mostly however manga and vn are what i use it for

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>>18072208
Pick what interests you more, and what you desire to use more. Don't listen to shit about "usefulness" unless you have a career NOW that would benefit from a language, and you're not just thinking about potential jobs that you would hate anyway. Language learning is hard because it requires long-term commitment, and the best way to achieve that is through real motivation further yourself, which requires genuine interest and media to consume (even if media is not the core of your interest, you will need to consume a lot of it without getting tired of it).

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>>18072208
Even if I would just use it for anime and manga I don't think I would regret it.
Seeing myself improve and able to read new things gives me a deep feeling of satisfaction.

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おはようおにいちゃん

きょうもいいいちにちになりますように

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>>18072208
Russian native speaker itt.
>My question is, did you ever regret learning jap?
Absolutely not. My favorite series is written in Japanese and I love it so much I wouldn't regret it even if Japan suddenly disappeared from the face of the Earth.
>Did you used is anywhere except reading/watcihing manga/anime?
Reading books.
I'll probably need it for college. Or maybe not. I'll make it useful somehow.
Choose whichever one you like better, nothing else matters. You're going to need some motivation.

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>reach handwritten, no-furigana part in babby manga
>沢山

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>>18072326
This is why you learn kanji.

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How do I improve retention in kana-only words?
Whenever a word has Kanji I find it far far easier to memorize, but even basic words like かなり and こう confuse the shit out of me.

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>>18072342
by reading

those are very common words, if you see them in context a few times you'll know them

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>>18072342
seriously just read. those words come up nonstop and it'll be impossible to not remember them.

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>>18072437
>tfw been reading for a week now
>keep seeing には and こと
>still cant remember what they mean

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Assuming you have no prior context to go on, how would you indicate the difference between "I like you" and "I like it?" すき だよ seems to be used for both, but I'm guessing that's because the prior context defines its specific meaning

t. newfag

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>>18072462
read more.

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Have you gone through Tae kim's? Those things a more like grammar patterns than actual words.

Alternatively just read more

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>>18072474
forgot to quote >>18072462

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>>18072467
the inability to distinguish between すき (you) and すき (thing) in decontextualized format has been used as fodder for countless terrible romantic comedies, so basically you're going to want context

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>>18072474
I got maybe halfway through it while i was 500 words into core but not much since then

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>>18072213
thanks for this

>>18072223
you never know...

>>18072234
thanks

>>18072241
i feel like that i will use jap only for VN and manga (which is not bad desu.)

>>18072253
my "career language" is English, but hearing this is useful

>>18072261
thanks for opinion, being satisfied with my progress is enough for me

>>18072284
thanks comrade


Reading all of this really helps, thank you anons for sharing your experience and opinions.

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Today I read a VN for 8 hours and did 30 new cards in anki.

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>>18071980
Did you reach your 2017 goals, anons?
Did you take N1 like you planned?

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>>18072208
Absolutely not. My only regrets are not starting earlier and not studying harder. If you're on /jp/, chances are you won't regret it either.

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>>18072692
i hit 2000 words in core and i've started reading, so my 2017 goals were completed

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>>18072692
i guess

i wanted to be able to read children's books/NHK easy news by the end of the year and i managed to do that

but at the same time i've also come to the conclusion that reading books for grown ups somewhat fluently is going to take LONG ASS TIME at my current rate of learning

i feel like the jump in difficulty between children's books and real books is very pronounced in japanese compared to other european languages i've studied before

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>>18072692
Probably failed N2.
My goal was to take N3 though, which I did.

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>そんな君が可愛い

"that kind of you is cute"

Sounds awkward in English, but I guess directly modifying pronouns in Japanese is no big deal?

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>>18072223
I could see it happening. I've spent a stupid amount of time studying yet I still can't just sit back and watch any random anime for fun. If it weren't for the fact that my time is worthless I'd be pissed.

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https://www.mangadou.jp/how-to-use/

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fuuuuuuck homonyms and synonyms how many fucking words does this language have for "normal/average" ive learned at least 7

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>>18073258
normal
ordinary
standard
typical
regular
average
usual
customary
common
orthodox
plain

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>>18073006
unless you're aiming to be a professional, the sooner you stop translating, the better.

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I noticed that rikaichamp displays entries in the opposite order they should be (えづら before がめん for 画面, etc.) Anyone know a fix?

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>>18073394
Ask them to implement definition priority sorting.

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>>18073316
fuck you

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DJT CHALLENGE:

please explain this joke to me

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>>18073518
wakarimasenn lol

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>>18073518
Think phonetically.

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anyone here can recommend where can I learn about japanese political philosophy and history?

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hey /djt/ I'm getting started on my New Years resolution. I want to learn jp with my ultimate goal being able to play the Kiseki series untranslated. I see there are a lot of conflicting opinions in these threads and in the guide about how to approach the language. Any advice?

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>>>/wsr/thread/433390

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>>18073006
I think we'd say "that side of you is cute" fwiw

>>18073323
>autism

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>>18073642
>>>/wsr/433390

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>>18072271
https://youtu.be/qbWGx4p-kqI

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>>18073545
Not that guy, but please explain.
Actually a full translation would be pretty nice becuase i'm struggling to even understand it

>That feeling about Inukami-san
>Inukami Yachiyo (16)
>Although "Inu"kami, she's a cat person.
>Cat ears. Cat fur. Cat food. Cat in a pan.
>It's kinda hard to say just what's good about cats.
>????? With appearances, image of course comes with the name..
>...so you say...
>They're cute, and they look so tasty.
>I mean that two ways--
>WHAT two ways?

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>>18073631
>I want to learn jp with my ultimate goal being able to play the Kiseki series untranslated.
you should've considered starting when you first developed this desire, instead of making excuses and waiting for a meme day

The guide incorporates various opinions on certain subjects but is far from fractured or "conflicting". Follow it to the letter and you'll do fine. And it's true that this thread lacks consensus but take everything except specific answers to specific questions with a grain of salt. It also helps to imagine that everyone here is intermediate; doesn't mean they're always wrong, but a healthy amount of skepticism is good.

also give up

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>>18073773
3 1
4 2

not

2 1
4 3

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>>18073798
>It also helps to imagine that everyone here is intermediate
That's pretty optimistic.

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>>18073873
by intermediate they meant to say "the speaker's current skill level"

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>>18073006
>directly modifying pronouns in Japanese is no big deal?
It really isn't. Read and LN. It's also very normal in English.

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>>18073545
So by "two meanings of oishii" she just means "neko nabe is both delicious and sexy"? There isn't just some super deep and clever joke that I'm missing here?

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there is literally no reason for katakana to exist

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>>18073958
there is literally no reason for uppercase to exist

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there is literally no reason for japanese to exist

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>>18073958
カタカナガイナカッタラワタシミタイナガイコクジンハナニヲツカウベキデスカ？

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there is literally no reason for me to exist

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>>18073999
there is literally no reason for anything to exist
therefore take advantage of your qualia
abstract hedonism

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I'm setting up Anki to randomize the font used for kana and kanji so I don't get used to the default font. Should I just throw all the suggested fonts from the cornucopia into this shit or are there some others I should consider adding?

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God, I'm getting so fucking pissed off with authors suddenly not using kanji for certain words even though they used it several times before in the work. Like why is this even a thing?

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>>18074017
wingdings

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>>18073982
same way you do it in english

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>>18073982
オウゥ.... ヨア　ジャパンゴ　イズ　ヴァエリヴェーリグッド...

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>>18074057

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>>18072177
Speaking of games, what order should I play these in assuming I'm learning Japanese as I play through them.
>Dragon Quest IV
>Chrono Trigger
>FF IV, V, VI, VIII
>Parasite Eve
>Persona 2 (both), 3FES, 4G, 5

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>>18074135
Persona first, the voicing will help you.

Rest doesn't matter.

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おはようおにいちゃん

きょうはなにしてあそぶ

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>>18074151
ありがとう先輩
I was thinking of going with one of the others first out of fear of ruining/misunderstanding the story but that's a good point that having the audio will be a huge help in remembering new words.

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>>18074017
Just do IPA (or Takao) Gothic + Mincho, then FC Kyoukasho so you have a handwriting-style font in there for good measure.

IPA/Takao is the most accurate font out there and all the other decent fonts look virtually the same as it. All the other handwriting-style fonts besides FC Kyoukasho either have missing glyphs (meaning you will end up with those [X] symbols on many of your cards) or incorrect character forms (I don't know if the Yu Kyokasho from the CoR has incorrect forms, but it is missing many common characters, so I don't know why it's in the "Suggested" section).

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>>18074023
Yeah, I don't understand why that they do that. It's not like it's even on a per-character basis either; the same character will use kanji in one line and then hiragana in the next. It's weird.

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>>18073806
How embarrassing. It's because I have to scroll to read the image, I swear.

Anyways I just took the time to look this manga up, it's making a lot more sense now that I know the other character's name..

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>>18073949
I think she's just being perverted
"cute... and very tasty... both types of tasty..."
either that or it's a joke about literally cooking cats

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>>18074159
妹ちゃん大好き

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Can i get some good beginner manga recommendations, and if possible, somewhere i can download the raws? Also whats a good new card limit for anki? Been running 5 and reviewing hard but i might need more.

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>>18074197
よつばと
It's all on nyaa

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>>18074197
Basically whatever SoL comedy or shounen manga you want.

>Been running 5
As in "5 new card a day"? That's way too slow. Use the default 20 and revise it down to 15 if it turns out to be too much.

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>>18074197
いぬやしき

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>>18074166
Thanks, will do. Looking at the images in the cornucopia almost all of them look basically the same except for the really loose handwriting ones. Do you happen to have Anki set up this way yourself? I'm having trouble getting the script to work, and the only documentation I can find is from this one reddit post. Can't figure out if it's where I'm putting the script or if there's some omitted information I'm missing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/3dqodp/how_do_i_randomize_the_typeface_anki_uses_for/

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>>18074197
シュタインズゲート

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>>18074197
ドラゴンボール

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>>18074197
ガンツ

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YouTube videos with Japanese transcriptions are a blessing

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>>18074217
Don't fall for this meme, had I just done 5 per day instead of burning out trying to do more I'd be way ahead of where I am now

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I feel like a complete retard for asking, but what is this? different strokes for an existing kana? ろ？る？わからない. ごめんなさい…

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>>18074336
んふっ

だとおもうよ

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>>18074336
ふ

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>>18074325
what if he's not mentally deficient :(

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>>18074336
learn your stroke orders

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>>18074247
I don't do it personally, but I decided to try it just 4u.

Following the instructions on the page you linked, I didn't have any problems.

1. Download the FC Kyoukasho font from the CoR and the Takao fonts from here:
https://launchpad.net/takao-fonts

2. Put F5AJCKY1.TTF, TakaoPGothic.ttf and TakaoPMincho.ttf into Anki's collection.media folder.

3. Open Anki and put the text from >reddit into the relevant sections on your cards, making sure to switch the font names he uses with the new ones (see pic related).

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>>18074340
>>18074339
thanks, anons, it means alot.

>>18074344
I'll be fine anon, but i wont go over 15. Burning out doesnt sound fun.

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>>18074348
Oh yeah, and if you use {{FrontSide}} on the back of your cards, you will only need to put the code onto the front.

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温める- to warm; to heat. Read as あたためる
温める- to cool something down (e.g. by adding water)​. Read as ぬるめる
Okay then.

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>>18074357
>温める- to cool something down (e.g. by adding water)​. Read as ぬるめる
I'll take Readings Guaranteed to have Furigana for 200

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>>18074357
ぬくめるっていわない？

ほうげんかな？

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>>18074017
>I'm setting up Anki to randomize the font used for kana and kanji so I don't get used to the default font.
what is the point of doing this?

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>>18074367
>>18074373
No furigana but based on context it's obviously warm up. Just my first time encountering the word.

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>>18074376
>what is the point of doing this?


>so I don't get used to the default font.

can you read?

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>>18074380
Ok, what is the point of "not getting used to the default font"?

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>>18074389
there are many different fonts in the real world where characters might be rendered or written entirely differently at first glance and so exposing yourself to a variety of them will improve character recognition.

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>>18074348
>>18074353
Thanks, I figured out what I was doing wrong thanks to your screenshot.
>>18074376
I figured it would help me with recognition if the font wasn't always the same, because real media uses different font types that have little nuances to them.

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>>18074377
幸い

辛い

このあたりもかなりネタにされるよ

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>>18074407
why is that stupid? theyre different

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>>18074407
>幸い
I forgot about that one even though I've seen it enough to have it memorized by now. I've seen it get used to describe emotions more how food tastes too so far.

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>>18074399
>I figured it would help me with recognition
If you're unable to recognize a kanji in font, it's because you don't know it well enough, not because "you've never seen it in that semi-exact form". If an ESL can't read a word in Times New Roman, the problem isn't because he didn't study with serifs; it's because he can't produce a list of candidates in his head and eliminate based on context. (i.e. because he hasn't studied/read enough, period.)

If you're unable to recognize it in handwriting, it's because you haven't seen enough actual handwriting and that's a completely different issue. Computer "handwriting" fonts are not like true handwriting at all; anyone who writes like a digital "handwriting" font all the time, even the fancy ones, would be considered to have exceptional penmanship, and no one would have trouble reading it.

It's a gimmick. Your recognition will improve automatically by seeing the same character thousands of times. If you're actually interested in handwriting (like plan to work at a hospital in japan), you should tackle it separately and seriously.

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also, making your anki emulate the process of actually going out and encountering Japanese in a variety of forms is exactly what it sounds like: evasion.

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I have adventured far from the land of /tg/ to ask you this question /jp/.

In a pictogram based language, what do you call something that is misrepresented in writing- what is analogous to "misspelled" in the romance languages?

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>>18074468
If I ever want to read real handwriting I'll do just that then and study it separately. I thought it was a neat idea though, and it's not going to hurt anything having it set up.

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>>18074484
not what I read, but you do you I guess

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>>18074478
"to write it wrong"
https://ejje.weblio.jp/content/書き間違える

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>>18074494
>書き損なう

ってつかうんだけど

ほうげんかもしれないよ

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>>18074478
変換ミス "conversion error" if mistyped.
kind of hard to explain if you've never typed in japanese before, but there's a lot of homonyms and you often have to select the correct one as you type

selecting the wrong one is an understandable and common mistake

happens in chinese too

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>>18074478
>>18074494
There's also 誤字, but I think that's more for digital contexts.

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>>18074490
i guess

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>>18074499
いちいち「ほうげん」で片付けるのやめて

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>>18074499
how else to say it?

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>>18074377
if you ever see 温める（ぬるめる） without furigana in otaku media I'll gift you a book on amazon.jp

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>>18074494
>>18074501
>>18074508
Thanks. I'm actually referring to Draconian but I'm not quite nerd enough to figure out the Draconian for "to scratch it incorrectly"- answered my question though, thanks /jp/.


>>>>>
書き間違えるの英語
書き間違える

That's a joke, right?

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>>18074499
>ほうげんかもしれないよ
じゃあ方言ではなく標準語でどんな用語が使われているの？

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i lived in japan 3 years i just want to go back jp what do i do

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>>18074647
Marry a japanese girl, change your name and become japanese like Kenneth Shinzato

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/japan-ex-marine-kenneth-shinzato-life-rape-murder-okinawa-woman/

If the marriage starts going south you can always find a way to get life in prison so you can stay in glorious nippon for the rest of your life.

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>>18074659
I mean, I'm with you for like the first part of it but not so much the whole rape/murder business

where to find jap grill

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>>18074647
arudou debito

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>>18074647
Marry a japanese girl, change your name and become japanese like Kenneth Shinzato

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/japan-ex-marine-kenneth-shinzato-life-rape-murder-okinawa-woman/

If the marriage starts going south you can always find a way to get life in prison so you can stay in glorious nippon for the rest of your life.

wrong picture before sorry

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>>18074672
I-I was actually just thinking of learning Jap language and getting a job there

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>>18074666
>where to find jap grill
There's millions of them in japan
find yourself a nice cake

>>18074681
>not being willing to kill for it
not sure if you have what it takes m8

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What's going on with くれてやる?

くれる is "give" from the perspective of the receiver, whereas やる is "give" from the perspective of the giver, so it seem kind of nonsensical to pair them together.

I'm pretty sure the resulting expression follows the same manner of giving that やる alone suggests, but I'm guessing there must be some sort of nuance or implication which differentiates it from やる (else why go to the effort of saying 3 extra syllables?).

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>>18074672
Is that Khatzumoto?

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>>18074731
やる does not necessarily have to be "give," it could simply be "do."
I've seen it used colloquially both between friends as a way of adding some friendly rudeness (for lack of a better term, I just woke up so forgive me) to their statement, or it could just be plain up adding rudeness to their statement, e.g. talking about やる'ing the other guy in and beat him up.

The alternative would be the extremely wonky and unlikely interpretation that he's talking from the receiver's perspective with くれる and then immediately jumping back to his own perspective to let him know he'll be the one who やる's it.

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>>18074753
I know it can also mean do, but in the case I came across it, it is clearly talking about giving - 「欲しければくれてやる」.

>rudeness
やる alone is already rude, so if the intention is rudeness then there's no need for くれる.

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>>18074762
Maybe they're just saying it for the sake of it then.
してあげる is comparatively redundant too but it pops up practically everywhere. したげる and したる exist as colloquial versions of it too.
That aside, other than guessing that there's just some nuance to it (maybe more polite than やる but less so than あげる?) I have no idea. Sorry.

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>>18074731
It's just a strengthener to the statement, really.

ぶっ殺してやる for example

I can hardly even remember any time when someone used やる instead of 与える or whatever.

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>>18074646
ほうげんでもよくわからないのに

とうきょうことばでなんて

よけいわからないよ

ごめんね

[Anonymous No.]

Isn't　てやる　simply the colloquial equivalent of　てあげる? That's the impression I've always had.

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Is「山田さんが猫を好き」 correct if the topic of the conversation isn't Yamada? I know it's usually "が好き" but I'm trying to understand は and が better, and I'm currently understanding it as "は” marking the overall topic of a conversation while potentially also marking the subject of a sentence, while "が" marks the subject of a sentence while not indicating it as the topic of a conversation.

The reason I ask about the sentence above is if the topic of the sentence is something else, like lets say I was talking about cats with someone, and then I want to mention that "oh yeah, speaking of cats, Yamada likes them" then would I be saying 「山田さんが猫を好き」? Or would I double up on the が and say 「山田さんが猫が好き」?

I hope I'm not horribly misunderstanding this whole wa and ga business still.

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>>18074922
どれでもだいたいつうじるよ

ＪＬＰＴが〇をつけそうなのは

>山田さんは　猫が好き

とか

>山田さんの猫　が好き

とかかなあ

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>>18074931
So both are fine? If I'm understanding you correctly Does one sound more awkward than the other?

As for what JLPT says:
>山田さんは　猫が好き
Doesn't this mark Yamada as the new topic of the conversation? I'm trying to avoid marking him the topic of the conversation and keep it about cats in successive sentences without needing to go 猫は〇〇 again in the next sentence. Unless I'm still misunderstanding が and は. Or is it unnatural to even try to keep the topic of the sentence cats, and I should simply swap the topic to Yamada just for that sentence before swapping back to cats in the next sentence?

>山田さんの猫が好き
Doesn't this say that [implied topic of conversation] likes Yamada's cats? Which is a different meaning entirely.

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>>18071980
Is Love is Like after the Rain a correct translation for
恋は雨上がりのように? My friend is asking why it's like that instead of something like Love is Like a Letting Up Rain.

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>>18074972
>山田さん～
猫が好きなのは山田さん

>（私は/○○さんは）山田さんの　猫が好き
猫が好きなのは省略してるwhoで

ぜんごできまるよ

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>>18074922
>猫を好き
Plain incorrect because 好き is an adjective. 好んでいる would work because it's a transitive verb.

>I hope I'm not horribly misunderstanding this whole wa and ga business still.
There's a reason that neither natives nor fluent learners can explain it in a way that makes sense. You'll probably never understand the difference until you've read enough. The simplest way to think of it is that they emphasize (not LITERALLY emphasize, mind you) different things. は emphasizes what comes after it while が emphasizes what comes before it.
Try reading the following sentences out loud:
>YAMADA-SAN likes cats（が）
>Yamada-san LIKES CATS（は）
For context, sentence 1 could be the answer to a question about who in the office likes cats, and sentence 2 could be the answer to someone asking you to tell them about this Yamada-san person.

Really though, describing it like this is clunky and doesn't properly explain how the topic vs. subject works in Japanese and because it works so radically different from English grammar, it's better to only use any kind of はvsが explanation as training wheels while reading and eventually you'll pick up the difference. The sooner you can distance yourself from reading Japanese through English grammar, the better.

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>>18075028
I actually completely understand your explanation, but in case 1, where I'm answering who in the office likes cats, then would I be saying

「山田さんが猫がすき」？ Is doubling up on the ga like that natural sounding? I thought を would be used because I could have sworn that I read that を好き was a rare but legitimate thing, and googling the phrase came up with some pages that structured sentences with を好き so I thought "oh ok it's a thing"

I feel like I have a grasp on が and は, I just want to be sure that it's not an incorrect grasp.

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>>18075048
>Is doubling up on the ga like that natural sounding?
Depends. That's exactly what sentence 1 is. Imagine you work at Dog Lovers Co. and the CEO just found out one of his employees likes cats, so he calls everyone to the meeting room and says "who (the hell) is the person that likes cats (in my company)?" and you happen to know who it is, so you say "YAMADA-SAN likes cats" and stress the fact that it's Yamada-san; he is the one who likes cats. If you were to say 山田さんはetc. then while it does still reveal Yamada-san likes cats (and also implies there might be others who like cats,) you're stating it casually like you're about to also mention the fact he's married, he likes comedy shows, and he doesn't smoke.
In short, yes, that would be the correct answer.

>I feel like I have a grasp on が and は, I just want to be sure that it's not an incorrect grasp.
It's simply something you need to get a feel for, which you eventually will. は and が aren't isolated words that you might be learning the nuance or exact meaning for wrong, they're essential grammar that pop up absolutely everywhere and unless you never read anything, you basically can't not learn them if you keep going.

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>>18075073
>and you happen to know who it is, so you say "YAMADA-SAN likes cats" and stress the fact that it's Yamada-san; he is the one who likes cats. If you were to say 山田さんはetc. then while it does still reveal Yamada-san likes cats (and also implies there might be others who like cats,) you're stating it casually like you're about to also mention the fact he's married, he likes comedy shows, and he doesn't smoke.
I think that's more or less consistent with how I'm starting to understand it. Thanks.

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>>18075028
>猫を好き

これはＪＬＰＴが×にしそう

かいわならちゃんとつうじる

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>>18075171
会話なら文法規則や助詞などを全部捨ても通じるだろう
あまり参考にならないアドバイスだな

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>>18075187
でもえいたんごはだいたいつうじないよ

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>>18075230
うん、英語では日本の言葉も使えば通じないな
各語に対して規則だし

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>>18075244
にほんごがつうじるとだれかもうしあげたか

にほんごのたんごがちょこっとのこっているのは

パラオと台湾だってきいたことがあるよ

[Anonymous No.]

あとトルコはつうじるかもしれない

にほんごがっこうあるって

[Anonymous No.]

>>18075279
自閉症児

[Anonymous No.]

自己嫌悪の自閉症児がたびにスレを開ける時、二言目の四字熟語を再三再四言う

[Anonymous No.]

>>18074745
>>18074672
KEK

[Anonymous No.]

so many moonrunes itt

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>>18075028
>Plain incorrect because 好き is an adjective.
It's technically incorrect but commonly used anyway.

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>>18074896
やる and あげる are different words

[Anonymous No.]

>>18074896
やろ＝do
あげる＝give

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>>18074896
上げる is polite. Pay attention to the kanji. You are giving upward (i.e. to someone better than you). Compare with 下さる/下さい where the giving is done downward (i.e. you are being given something by someone better than you).

やる is giving in the same way that you would give food to a dog. Rather than elevating the speaker above you as with 上げる, it puts them below you.

[Anonymous No.]

上げる is polite. Pay attention to the kanji. You are giving upward (i.e. to someone better than you). Compare with 下さる/下さい where the giving is done downward (i.e. you are being given something by someone better than you).

やる is giving in the same way that you would give food to a dog. Rather than elevating the person you're giving something to above you as with 上げる, it puts them below you.

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>>18075557
greetings

[Anonymous No.]

>virtually impossible to be able to read without a dictionary in less than 3 years and that's pushing it
>vocab is literally impossible to acquire without pure grinding because if you encounter a new kanji you have 0 clue how to pronounce it or the exact meaning of the word it's being used in
Is Japanese the worst language?

[Anonymous No.]

自殺したい

One more step towards fluency!

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>>18075788
yes

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>>18075788
>virtually impossible to be able to read without a dictionary in less than 3 years and that's pushing it
Yeah, virtually impossible for you, EOP-kun.
>vocab is literally impossible to acquire without pure grinding
Oh no, like literally any language you're learning that isn't closely related to one you already speak? Surprise, your brain doesn't instantly memorize information it sees just once.
>if you encounter a new kanji you have 0 clue how to pronounce it
No? There are a lot of phonetic elements in kanji you can learn so that you can often make a very good guess on how it's pronounced. I've seen dozens of completely new kanji which I could pronounce because they had an element in them I've seen before.
Funnily enough, the very language you wrote that in has much worse pronunciation problems tied to it than Japanese does. Just how many words in English are actually pronounced like they're written?
>or the exact meaning of the word it's being used in
Like literally any language you learn?

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>>18075796
when people talk in languages with high information density they use filler stuff like uhm etc. much more often than the japanese
while it's theoretically possible to convey more information at a time you're still limited by your slow brain

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>>18075796
this study is unscientific bullshit stop posting it

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>>18075807
I'm just asshurt because German was simple as could be minus a few stupid grammar things, and it's very easy to learn new words from a smaller base of known vocab. Also, sorry but if you genuinely think you can read without a dictionary after like 2 years Japanese study you're completely full of shit.

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>>18075796
ソースください

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>>18075830
What exactly do you mean by "read without a dictionary" and "study Japanese for 2 years"?
If your definition of "Japanese study" means going through a Japanese course at the absolutely glacial pace they teach you stuff at then yeah you won't be able to read moderately difficult native material within 3 years.
If you study hard you could realistically read most native material within a year and a half of studying. No, that doesn't mean never using a dictionary, but would you say you never use a dictionary even for your native language to look up a word you might not remember or haven't seen before?

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>>18075848
Screencap is from:
http://www.tofugu.com/japanese/why-do-japanese-people-talk-so-fast/

Source is:
http://ohll.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/fulltext/pellegrino/Pellegrino_2011_Language.pdf

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>>18075849
>but would you say you never use a dictionary even for your native language to look up a word you might not remember or haven't seen before?
Not him, but you're really grasping at straws here.

Speaking for myself, I rarely ever have to use a dictionary. It's something I do a handful of times a year. Someone who has been learning 20 Japanese words every day for the last 2 years would still be having to consult a dictionary every single day.

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>>18075873
>Speaking for myself, I rarely ever have to use a dictionary. It's something I do a handful of times a year.
yea I bet you never read anything but SoL moe shit

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>>18075854
ありがとうございます

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>>18075873
The point was less so that even natives sometimes need to consult a dictionary and more the fact that needing to use a dictionary for words you can't guess (e.g. with familiar kanji and almost an obvious meaning) is simply how the path to fluency is like with any language and that complaining about it is pointless.

>>18075879
Presumably he was talking about his native language.

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>>18075879
new in the conversation but I'm pretty sure he's talking about his native language

this isn't daily english thread but let's try to maintain a bare minimum standard of reading comprehension ok

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>>18075901
>>18075907
2bh I wasnt following their discussion

[Anonymous No.]

what terms do I need to learn to use 2chs /pol/?

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>>18075796
Low information density = read more and you'll have zero trouble understanding speech

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>>18075171
唸り声と手真似も通じるから

みんなもチンパン会話目指しましょう

[Anonymous No.]

>>18075940
私わ外人です

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>>18075940
おはよう、韓国人です！

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>>18075968
The Japanese don't really hate the Koreans, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18075940
ネトウヨ
チョンカス
チャンコロ
害人
クズ
ヒトゴミ
黒ん坊

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>>18075849
>would you say you never use a dictionary even for your native language to look up a word you might not remember or haven't seen before?
It's a good point you made here anon, but only intelligent people who care about correctness and who challenge themselves with difficult books will ever find use for dictionaries in their native language. The guy you are talking to clearly isn't part of that circle.

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>>18075940
I've never been there but most likely 在日
and whenever something negative about japan comes up you just use this word and everyone applauds you

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フンッ　こりやまた
ご大層なお出迎えで
>To what do I owe the honor of this grand welcome?

i dont get こりやまた

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>>18075975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c5ejRMx_5E

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>>18075849
>If you study hard you could realistically read most native material within a year and a half of studying.
bullshit

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>>18075988
こりゃまた（これはまた）

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>>18075958
>わ

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>>18075976
>>18075979
can u explain why

and aren't some of these in hiragana?

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>>18075998
彼わとてもゲイです

[Anonymous No.]

>>18075998
お前わ何が言いたい？

[Anonymous No.]

when do I use 有り難う vs ありがとう？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076005
when do you want to be an obnoxious faggot?

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>>18075999
>can u explain why
Because political arguments ultimately boil down to namecalling the hardest.
>and aren't some of these in hiragana?
Who knows.

>>18076005
>when do I use 有り難う
When you want to look pretentious.

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>>18075999
just my experience from /int/
when they can't deny that they have some problems in their country they'll just blame it on foreigners, preferably koreans... I'm assuming 2ch isn't different, most likely worse

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076014
>>18076016
So do I blame it all on the koreans or the chinese?

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>>18075991
But why? The Koreans didnu nuffin

[Anonymous No.]

I just started learning JP (in late October). Been reading Tae Kim + Dictionary of JP grammar. Does it make sense to focus on grammar and very slowly introduce vocab through reading and Anki or did you guys do a lot of Anki vocab practice right off the bat?

I guess knowing more words is fun but I feel like I can't use many of these yet without knowing grammar.

Thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

無茶苦茶に漢字を利用過ぎるに為れば唯の馬鹿に見得る事で御座いませぬ、実に大馬鹿野郎で見栄を張る様に見得るで御座る〆
本当だぞ。普通に書いてよ。

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>>18076033
Flip a coin. Heads: Koreans, tails: the Chinese.
If it lands on its side: foreigners.

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>>18076013
>>18076014
ok then, so is Tae Kim a pretentious faggot? his anki deck uses 有り難う

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076064
It shouldn't take long enough to finish reading Tae Kim for this question to matter. You'll need those words as soon as you start reading native content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076064
as a beginner just do whatever you're able to do without burning out

your biggest danger isn't studying the wrong way, it's quitting

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076083
>ok then, so is Tae Kim a pretentious faggot?
yes?
next question?

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>>18076083
You aren't necessarily pretentious for showing how a normally kana-only word is written when the writer does decide to write it in kanji. Sort of like how saying "heart attack" is way more common than the (more specific and technically "proper") "myocardial infarction."
But unless you're a doctor speaking in a professional environment, nobody will say the latter.
So while speaking with average people (even politely so) writing it like 有り難う will make you look obnoxious as fuck.
And no, native Japanese people don't get away with it either. >>18076072 shows how obnoxious it can look when you try to cram in kanji wherever possible.

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>>18076072
you should learn the kanji spellings anyway and I think it's only natural to experiment in the learning process
that aside, a japanese comes across as tryhard, but a foreigner has the benefit of the doubt, if anything I think a japanese person would be more impressed than annoyed

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>>18076129
Yeah, learning the kanji spellings for when you'll inevitably come across some smug asshole that writes it that way will save you a headache, but don't be the guy who actually uses it yourself.
>but a foreigner has the benefit of the doubt, if anything I think a japanese person would be more impressed than annoyed
I dunno about that. If you're intermediate or lower advanced then they might be impressed that you know uncommon spellings or kanji, but once you become fluent they'll think you're as obnoxious as anyone else who does it.
Quirky speech patterns are cute and funny when the person is trying their best to express themselves. Not so much when they can speak perfectly normal and are just being outright annoying.

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>>18076129
>if anything I think a japanese person would be more impressed than annoyed
i'd be impressed if I saw a monkey writing in cursive too

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076129
>I think a japanese person would be more impressed than annoyed
There's nothing impressive about automatically converting kana to kanji via an IME.

Maybe if we're talking about actual writing.

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>>18076072
>無茶苦茶に漢字を利用過ぎるに為れば唯の馬鹿に見得る事で御座いませぬ、実に大馬鹿野郎で見栄を張る様に見得るで御座る〆
>本当だぞ。普通に書いてよ。
how would this look without all the unnecessary kanji? beginner here, just for comparison

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of kana-only words, which are "acceptable" to write with kanji, anyway?
I'd say 訳、大体、下さい (only in humble/formal writing) and 出来る are acceptable.
On the other hand, people who write 何故（なぜ）、何処、所（とこ）、何時（いつ）、and 位 (as in どのくらい) need to be burned alive.

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>>18076184
むちゃくちゃに漢字を利用すぎるにすればただのバカに見えることでございませぬ、実に大バカヤロウで見栄を張るように見えるでござる。

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>>18076185
It's better not to opine on this sort of thing unless you're a native or have been living in Japan for several years.

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>>18076143
>>18076175
I'm just saying that it's not really a bad thing as a foreigner as long as you don't talk like a samurai or some really dumb shit
and you shouldn't forget that the japanese have a huge inferiority complex for not being good at english, so when a foreigner comes along who speaks japanese or more languages (english as 2nd language etc.) it is pretty impressive for them

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>>18076191
I see やろう written more often as kanji than kana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076191
its basically the same size, why would anyone write it with so many kanji? showing off?

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>>18076199
>I'm just saying that it's not really a bad thing as a foreigner as long as you don't talk like a samurai or some really dumb shit
In a similar manner to attempting to utilize as verbose vocabulary as is possible and appropriate within the situation, striving to utilize Chinese logographic characters much so past the point of what is required or even utilized by the common speakers of the language in question shall not achieve more than give you the air of a pretentious individual who is attempting to look "cultured" by their own bizarre definition of the term.

I mean if you want to sound like a chuunibyou 15 year old, go ahead.

>>18076201
バカヤロウ is a compound and 馬鹿 is almost always written バカ from what I've seen, so writing the whole thing like バカヤロウ feels fine to me. Write it however you'd like, though.

>>18076205
To be an obnoxious faggot.

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>>18076236
first, this is extremely exaggerated
second, if a japanese was able to speak like that I'd be pretty impressed

[Anonymous No.]

what dictonaries are you guys using with yomichan?

right now iam only using JMdict are innocent corpus and kireicake dictonaries worth it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076243
>first, this is extremely exaggerated
It is, yes, but the point is that if you write like that, you look like a dickhead who thinks he's smart because he's either using "big words" or writing something in an unorthodox way.
Simple things said in a complex way are not enjoyable to read for the majority of people. It's not even about dumbing down your language so anyone can understand it, it's about not trying to come off as intelligent because you don't speak like the average person does.

>second, if a japanese was able to speak like that I'd be pretty impressed
I'm equally impressed by anyone able to do that in English on a moment's notice, but I'd start to get annoyed VERY quickly with them if I'm just trying to talk to them like a human being. I don't want to talk to people who are doing their best Darkest Dungeon Narrator impression.

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>>18076236
>>バカヤロウ is a compound and 馬鹿 is almost always written バカ from what I've seen, so writing the whole thing like バカヤロウ feels fine to me.
Mixes of kanji and katakana are used all the time in compounds.

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>>18076266
I only use JMdict. Innocent Corpus is totally pointless, and Kireicake is next to pointless. 99% of Kireicake's definitions are literally just copy-pasted from JMdict, and 99% those that aren't are just slightly altered JMdict definitions. The guy who makes Kireicake should just contribute his tiny amount of actually useful definitions to JMdict itself, but then I guess that wouldn't let him feel important.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076266
>worth it?
What do you have to lose?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076331
Yomichan's already cluttered, badly designed pop-up becoming even more cluttered.

[Anonymous No.]

after days of the month am I done with numbers? I'm starting to lose motivation and my brain is overflowing with numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076758
Not at all. The good news is that it's okay to leave it for later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076758
You could learn any words you want to instead of using a premade deck but that would require a effort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076765
an effort and knowelg. I don't have those.
>>18076762
probably but it's still going to come back and haunt me

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076758
nope
if you're feeling bored with it, start trying to read stuff. I stopped doing core for months, before i even got 600 words in. I just came back to doing japanese and decided to just read. I run into less than half of the words i even knew from anki and immediately recognize even less than that. But I'm mining new words I'll probably see more often anyway and picking up grammar patterns while im at it. It's harder but a bit more fun.

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>>18076774
you're not gonna lose any sleep over not remembering that ６日 is むいか　you'll see 6 and the Kanji for day and get the point. Whatever you don't know now you'll just pick up later through seeing it a lot. This isn't highschool you aren't gonna get quizzed next week you can learn it in whatever order you want.

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>>18076236
>馬鹿 is almost always written バカ from what I've seen
It's almost always the opposite, who knows what children's books you've been reading.

[Anonymous No.]

whats a good site for me to read to build my deck?~

interests: nuclear war with the dprk, politics, military, animu, qt3.14s, history

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076890
go to vndb and search for porn games with relevant tags

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076890
what about news?
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076900
I like news but they're random, you'll see boring shit abe is doing and then something interesting about stuff

Is there a more specialized military or political site, something with more analysis and info

its sad that their politics is so boring, hopefully rocket man changes that

[Anonymous No.]

>>18071980
Is it more important to recognize katakana versus hiragana or to just know what sound it makes regardless?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077175
they're very different, when u learn both you won't confuse both

and words in katakana are noticeably unjapanesy and engrishy

[Anonymous No.]

勉強をしよう!

[Anonymous No.]

hi, i would like to learn japanes. how 2 get startet?

[Anonymous No.]

How long should it take me to finish Tae Kim?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077419
>>18071980
>Read the guide before asking questions.

[Anonymous No.]

Hi i'm doing the core 2k/6k vocabulary anki deck and i was wondering if there is a way to hide the furigana and/or the english temporarily, so it can be viewed when you hold the mouse over it?

[Anonymous No.]

Why am I having more trouble reading manga than novels?

[Anonymous No.]

http://stochastication.com/2017/12/21/learning-japanese-1-year/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18075796
なにそれなにそれ

はつおんのしゅるいはすくないきがします

>>18077310
せんせいゆるして

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077621
is this a good schedule, anons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077657
In case you're not trolling, no, it's retarded, follow the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077601
grammar in novels is more straightforward

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077679
The guide doesnt have a schedule tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077601
not alone

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077736
You set your own schedule based on your available time and tolerance levels. Set clear daily goals instead of long-term ones.

[Anonymous No.]

how can I give up all my life responsibilities and study japanese without living on the streets

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077621
retardedly slow, it shouldn't take you a year to get through Genki

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077812
get on welfare

[Anonymous No.]

do you guys practice writing with a pen and paper or is this unnecessary in 2017?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077812
move back with your parents

though i have a full time job and i am making decent progress still

[Anonymous No.]

ロハがなぜ「無料」なのか？「タダ」と読む漢字に『只』があるが、この漢字の上下を分解してロハと読んだ。
おもしろいね

[Anonymous No.]

anon-sama, why does Akko say atashi and not watashi?

[Anonymous No.]

damm this guy is quite thirsty for (yous) this morning

[Anonymous No.]

Mark my words, I will learn Japanese. Who /motivated/ here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077844
I do personally because writing kanji fiddy fuckin' times in my notebook helps me remember them better. I'm only N3 though, so maybe some more experienced anon can help you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18074367
>>18074590

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077888
trips, this poster deserves the book for nothing else
btw 刀子 is what, とうこ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077863
They both mean "I" but atashi is a more feminine way of saying it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077621
>1 year to read genki
>workbooks for self-study
>grammar cards
>RTK2
>not reading anything written for natives for 1.5 years, not listening to anything spoken for natives for 2 years
>buying tailored reading material for 2.5 years
I'm not sure if I'm more amused or disturbed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077970
They may not know much Japanese but hey at least they'd be able to pass the N2

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077871
Me, but going on a two week trip to visit family. I can keep up with Anki but no idea how much reading time I will have ;;

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077994
That's what it's all about.

[Anonymous No.]

should I actually read genki^?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077888
>>18077913
That's not even a verb. ぬるい -> ぬるめ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077995
At least you will do Anki, anon. As for reading I find waking up and reading in the early morning suits me. Maybe do half an hour or so before anyone else gets up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077601
Novels over-explain things whereas dialogue in manga uses imagery and other referential shortcuts to imply meaning. The closer you get to everyday Japanese settings, the more you are going to be bombarded with extra-linguistic elements. At least in more fantasy driven manga, concepts tend to be more fully explained because they aren't things the audience is assumed to have plenty of real world experience with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078026
No. It's really meant more for classroom teaching than self-teaching. A lot of topics are much better covered in other grammar guides.

[Anonymous No.]

My handwriting is so bad that I literally cannot write some kana correctly, ever. Feels bad man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078088
This.
My English handwriting is also awful

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077621
N2 is going to kick your arse without a hell of a lot more reading, and not just graded readers or parallel texts. Even N3 is probably too much of a stretch by that point with such a limited focus on reading native texts written for natives to enjoy. You may pass on the listening section and the grammar section, but the reading sections demands the sort of reading speed/familiarity with natural Japanese patterns that are kind of unrealistic to expect to develop without a wide range of extensive reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078088
How can you not even write the kana? I can understand getting some kanji wrong but the kana?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077994
>but hey at least they'd be able to pass the N2
Highly doubt it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078119
I know the kana and have an idea of what to write but my fine motor skills are so bad that some take me a long time to get right, even though I know in my head how they look. Same problem with English but I already know that language so it's different.

[Anonymous No.]

anyonoe here knows "80/20 japanese"? is it good?

[Anonymous No.]

Do you guys agree that casual verb form first or at the same time (e.g. Tae Kim) is better than polite form first (e.g. Genki)? I can't imagine the average student having motivation to learn casual form after how easy polite form is to conjugate (not that it's hard either).

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078196
Doesn't matter, you have to learn both anyways

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078154
All of the best resources are available for free, stop looking for gimmicks to waste your money on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078256
Except for input, of course, but input is very easy to pirate ethically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078266
>input
nani

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078321

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078322
so something where I can write shit? like a paper?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078322
>tfw left is literally you

[Anonymous No.]

あけおめ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078322
you'd think the non-wageslave would be right, since they have less time to waste.

learning japanese is like learning any other skill e.g. you don't learn a programming language by memorizing syntax, you learn it by programming in it. not sure why people delay reading so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078422
早すぎる

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078448
>not sure why people delay reading so much.
It's hard
>inb4 正論
lad people don't like doing hard things

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078463
sure its hard but isn't figuring out a paragraph/manga chapter/whatever much more satisfying? i guess im trying to understand their mindset.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078127
Have you ever taken the time to write characters very precisely stroke by stroke? When it comes to writing having an exact (i.e. vague) visualization of each character is very important.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078483
>i.e. vague
*i.e. not vague

[Anonymous No.]

In the "Kanji Radical (Primitive)" from the guide, (shared/info/1044119361), is the new card limit of 20 correct? I don't think I actually got 20 new radicals today even though I had 20 new cards.

[Anonymous No.]

What does やった mean in "どこまでやったか忘れてしまった"?

[Anonymous No.]

guys I don't think khatzumoto is a real person

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078513
I forgot how far I've made it

[Anonymous No.]

I've lost all motivation to learn Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078602
take care bye

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078611
Thanks, anon.
Maybe I'll learn Spanish instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078602
that sucks i wont lol

[Anonymous No.]

囗 口

WHY

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078621

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078602

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078602
When that happens to me, I browse untranslated light novels until I find something I want to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078698
>tfw cant even read konosuba

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077888
Doesn't count (see >>18078046) but it's almost christmas. Unfortunately, you're missing a tripcode and email.

If you find another 温い I'll gift you a book anyway. (Find 温める like I originally asked and we'll talk about something bigger)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077621
>1 year to read Genki

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077888
This has audio furigana.

[Anonymous No.]

Is language a motor function?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078817
Language is an inductive memory and pattern recursion function.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078817
No. Language is more a product of human intellect than physical movement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078776
If you feel like giving your DJTダチ a nice Christmas present, I have a suggestion:
https://www.amazon.com/Classical-Japanese-Grammar-Haruo-Shirane/dp/0231135246

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078817
i wish, the retention for motor skills seems quite a bit higher

[Anonymous No.]

>>18076236
Why is it バカヤロー instead of ばかやろう？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078740
newfag when it comes to LNs

but I recently finished the first volume and I'm a little disappointed to report that people who only watch the anime are not missing anything substantial

Is this unique to Konosuba or are all LNs mostly like this?

I think I'm going to skip LNs that have been adapted from now on and just start at the volume where the anime left off

[Anonymous No.]

I'm learning words labeled N5 and N4 tier but I find I can read some N1 words using the kanji in these tiers, why are they marked N1? I also notice when I mine words from games and whatnot they're often marked N1 when most other things I learn arent.

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit how the fuck do I remember body parts
Is there some sort of nursery rhyme for this shit because I am lost

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078865
I literally can't read it, I only know like 150 words

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078880
Stop memorizing vocabulary lists and learn them as you encounter them in novels and shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078776
>>18078046
Isn't that the 連用形 of 温める? How would you get 温め out of 温い?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078871
because relative to a native speaker, N1 is low grade stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078871
It's almost like the lists are inaccurate and bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078906
～め（目）is used a suffix denoting state or tendency

落ちめ
控えめに言う
強め
高めを狙う

the fact that it looks like the 連用形 of 温める in this case is purely coincidental

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>>18078338
If you're asking what input is, you're describing output.

>>18078448
>you don't learn a programming language by memorizing syntax, you learn it by programming in it.
I think this is a poor analogy because programming itself is output, even if it involves a shitload of input such as documentation and existing code. I obviously agree with what you're saying, though.

>>18078471
Their mindset is "If I learn 10,000 words from core10k, when I finally try to read I'll know everything and I won't have to struggle." It's naivete.

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>>18078501
You probably have a default review cap of 100 cards per day. I believe this postpones new cards as well. Why are you doing a radical deck? I'm not against kanji cards, but I learned radicals as well as I needed to from that alone.

[Anonymous No.]

How many months till I can understand porn, and what deck do u recommend for it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079052
0 months
go outside

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079052
Read the OP and don't post in this thread if you aren't learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

jesus, cant retain anything these past couple days.
did government terms fuck you guys up this much too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079086
it says nothing about the deck I need tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079130
I can't remember if I struggled a lot but I would just suspend them and move on

unsuspend them after you learn how the japanese government actually works (if you're interested)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078621
カ
力

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>>18079005
no my reviews should be high enough..

it was showing me recall style cards though as well, maybe that's why? (word - > radical instead of the other way around)

why is the deck in the guide if it works that way though? I only got 10 new radicals today.

[Anonymous No.]

From Dutch; Flemish “ontembaar”

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079052
here are most of the the penis related terms in my old mining deck, might help.
竿
陰茎
雁首
亀頭
鈴口
勃起
勃つ
フルチン →　ふりちん
ハメ

also remember ちんぽ (珍宝)、ペニス, etc...

Seriously speaking though, just learn regular japanese and you'll pick up all the sex related terms over time

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079212
You missed 肉棒. Probably others too, but that's off the top of my head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079212
ive heard 息子 and 分身 as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079253
>>18079212
>>18079241
Jesus, do they have more words than English?

[Anonymous No.]

I met a Japanese speaker at my work today, he only works one day a week but I'm glad I'll have someone to talk to every once in a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079241
I hope this has the same connotations as saying meatstick in English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079291
Nah, English definitely has more
Penis
Dick
Cock
Johnson
Wang
Schlong
Dong
Weiner
Shaft
Manhood
Chub
Sausage
Trouser snake
Baby arm
Pecker
Prick
Member
Knob
Wood
Unit
Rod
I know there's more

[Anonymous No.]

I'm learning japanese now why

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079329
Japanese is cool

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078889
Better get on those reps then, Anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079365
What's a rep?

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>>18079374
Probably (hopefully) bait, but posts like this make me wonder why we even have the OP post at all.

[Anonymous No.]

凹凸, 凸凹
I still hate these words every time I remember they exist. They're so fucking ugly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079379
They're qt you heathen

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have any experience using the books in the OP about particles? Don't know which one to choose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079379
They're horrible to write too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079489
everything is horrible to write
printing should no longer exist, and paper only thought of as art supplies

[Anonymous No.]

anyone here speaks both 日本語 and 中国語? does it get confusing using the symbols in two different languages?

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw light novels are boring af and reading manga makes me feel guilty

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079759
chucked you a like and i also subscribed ;)

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>>18079773
state the purpose of your post

[Anonymous No.]

is it normal to be able to read better than write? while my reading is trash, i can manage somewhat, but writing is like solving a complex equation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079779
おめぇぇ～
当り前じゃ？バカなこと言うな

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079779
yes, that's how immigrants in NA still speak broken english

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079759
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

jp its me again i jus twant to move back to japan im not an otaku i dont even like anime i just miss the culture and the people please help me i started learning japanese last night

[Anonymous No.]

is it just as hard for english learners to learn things like "somehow" and "some" and other generic terms?

i cant wrap my head around なんて and similar grammar words.

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>>18079990
Stop trying to translate those terms and just get used to how and where they are used.
Example sentences/situations showing how words are used are significantly more helpful than definitions and translations.

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>>18077621
Isn't N5 basically 山田さんは先生です?

[Anonymous No.]

have you ever just woken up with a big boost of motivation
i've been slacking on studying recently but I think today im gonna read for a few hours, and start a grammar book since my grasp on grammar is very poor

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079212
Don't forget MY SON.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18080203
Yes. I spend it on doing my reps earlier than usual while the rest of my life languishes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077657
>>18077621
Not enough emphasis on reading.
The most important thing to work on is speed, and reading is the key way to develop the ability to pull words in and decipher them quickly.
If you have to think about every sentence for 10-60 seconds to decipher it, reading is painful and slow, and all your studying will also be painful and slow. And of course, good comprehension speed is prerequisite to being able to follow a conversation.
This is the primary reason he will get fucked by N2/N1. Reading the passages will take too long and he'll resort to bizarre skimming methods trying to game the test. Like so many before him who practiced purely out of preparation booklets, he will come back and blog about how he failed the listening portion only because the test room wasn't quiet, or how they didn't give enough time to think about the answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>decide to learn jap because why not do something productive
>actually progress at a decent rate
>legitimately feel like I'm learning
>keep learning, keep practicing
>get to a point I feel like I have a decent amount of knowledge and understanding of the language
>listen to actual japanese people speaking
>"ummm what?"
>at the very best I pick up on one or two common words and none of the rest
>read a japanese sentence
>see kanji and cry
How do you anons deal with walls in your learning?
No matter how much I learn, when it comes to actually comprehending the language they always speak too fast or use slang or use new words or pretty much don't speak at a "oh you're learning japanese I'll speak slowly with small words"
And I literally can't into kanji if my life depended on it

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>>18080335
>see kanji and cry
anon dont tell me you avoided kanji all this time because you kept thinking it was too difficult to learn

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>>18080371
To an extent I guess.
I have pretty much all of the radicals down and a handful of kanji.

But I could read a sentence I fully comprehend were it spoken verbally, and I don't know how to read it when kanji are there instead of hiragana

And since kanji have upwards of 5 readings each,, actually learning them is a nightmare; even if I can actively identify the kanji

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a place I can look up what certain phrases mean?

I'm starting to read manga and I picked up Ikamusume. In the first chapter there's this phrase:

「客が多いにこしたことはな．．．」

Which according to the TL'd version translates into "You see, having a lot of customers means..."

So I assume that ことしこと means something along the lines of "well, the fact that x" or something along those lines but I have no idea where to actually look it up for a definitive explanation.

[Anonymous No.]

きもちわるい

３Ｄ酔いした

[Anonymous No.]

>>18080335
Please refrain from using the quotation mark other than for its intended purpose in the future.
Anyways, I have no idea how you could possibly think that you're making "decent progress" if you're not even learning kanji. You HAVE to find a method to learn them and stick to it, be it RTK or whatever.
The road to becoming fluent is a long one, you don't have to rush things. Make sure you get started on kanji ASAP though.

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>>18080203
my motivation comes from each passing moment the accountants control creativity in the west along with ever piece of censorship done on drawn images(while real 3dpd wear far less in advertisements)

[Anonymous No.]

Dumb question guys but I downloaded the Yotsuba vol 1 from the archive and it's in .7z format. I downloaded the 7zip application thing from 7zip dot org to open .7z files, but when i click run on the manga to open it im getting a command line error: unsupported command: c\:Users\anon\Downloads\___!\ __01__.7z
Any ideas?uwu

[Anonymous No.]

にじげんにかぎる

waywardやったらマルチって書いてある

できないっぽいけど

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>>18080412
Don't use TLs to translate individual sentences.

You can use them to check you understanding of an entire chapter, because they rarely fuck up that hard, but it's not uncommon for them to completely reword or rewrite a bubble out of ignorance (or more rarely, necessity).

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>>18080759
nvm fixed it owo

[Anonymous No.]

>>18080759
>>18080783
パソコンは難しい

[Anonymous No.]

おにいちゃんはべんきょう

あたしはゲーム

マルチっていうのやってみたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18080842
自閉症児

[Anonymous No.]

Reading Tae Kim and confusing conjugations, too many rules innit. Why is it so or what's the difference:
書いていました
couldn't it be stem + past tense as in 書きました

is this some passive form that Tae weeb just put out of the blue and I'm supposed to not be confused?

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>>18080412
It's an abbreviated にこしたことはない which means that something is great (but often with a caveat)

Depending on the context I would translate the sentence as: "It's great that we have a lot of customers, but..."

[Anonymous No.]

>>18080850
>書いていました
I was writing
>書きました
I wrote

[Anonymous No.]

>>18079724
I'm above N1 and I think I'm near HSK 5 (never taken HSK, but flipped through a practice book and thought 4 looked piss easy). I don't speak either fluently though.

I mix up shit at a mildly annoying frequency, but it's not "confusing" at all. Mostly just reading errors (which are very embarrassing). Today I was trying to type 惨敗 and kept writing さんばいwondering for a full minute why it wouldn't convert.

While the two languages share a lot of words, a lot of words that seem like they should exist in the other actually don't (馬鹿 is not in chinese and 馬虎 is not a word in jap), along with a lot of other minor annoying changes that come from god knows where (薄利多売 is japanese while in chinese it's "薄利多銷")

Not that I regret it, but I recommend you don't learn both. Chinese people get a substantial bonus towards learning Japanese from already knowing hanzi but it's lost on foreigners of both languages.

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>>18080862
thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18080850
>書いていました
[Someone] was writing [something].
>書きました
[Someone] wrote [something].

>is this some passive form that Tae weeb just put out of the blue and I'm supposed to not be confused?
No? These are very basic conjugations. We have the past continuous tense in English too.
書いていました is the stem 書く conjugated to the continuous/connective tense then the polite past tense. 書きました is the polite past tense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18080879
>○○ていました

これは書き言葉だから

しゃべりことばではあんまりつかわないかも

[Anonymous No.]

>>18080905
で？言ったことと関係がないよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18080905
は？
普通に使っているよボケ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18080862
>>18080879
How do I "get" the rules? Is is just practice and practice and spending time with the language or did you find a way to logically seperate these rules in your head and apply them on whim?

I guess it goes without saying that the Verb part is most prone to confusion because of sheer volume of it. For example I kinda get what the
>Phrasing verb clauses
was about but at the same time I feel like I know nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18080941
It doesn't sound like you're reading Tae Kim carefully enough. ている is kind of weird thing to struggle with.

Maybe he explains it badly or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18080941
>How do I "get" the rules?
By reading and learning new words. You'll eventually know how each verb conjugates just by intuition.
>or did you find a way to logically seperate these rules in your head and apply them on whim?
Separate the rules? What do you mean? There's no "rules" to separate, you'll simply need to know what the rules are and see plenty of examples of every type of verb ending in action and you'll know how it works. Similar to how you can conjugate "think" into "thinking," "thought," "thinks," "thinker," and so on without really needing to (fittingly for the example) think about it.

>I kinda get what the phrasing verb clauses was about but at the same time I feel like I know nothing.
If you just started learning then it's normal to feel overwhelmed, lost, or confused. Don't feel bad about it, accept it and be assured knowing you will get the hang of it the more you study and get used to it. Tae Kim's guide is just to get you off the ground and to use as a reference (there are other grammar guides though) while reading. You're not going to learn all the grammar and conjugations just because you read about it once or twice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18080961
Oops, I put those quotation marks in a weird place. "Separate" is what I meant.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any issue with the core deck on ankiweb aside from missing media?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18081015
It has sentence cards, English -> Japanese cards, and other garbage. Use the one in the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

おはよう。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18081171
おはよう

[Anonymous No.]

>>18081171
∠( 'ω')／おはよ〜っ！

[Anonymous No.]

There's no way to have Jisho locally right? Going on a long flight today and would like to have it available.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18081228
tagaini jisho

[Anonymous No.]

>>18080335
Go to reddit and take your double-digit IQ with you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18081228
Yomichan can be an offline Jisho. Click the Yomichan icon in your browser and then click the magnifying glass button.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18081228
there are plenty of japanese dictionaries for smartphones.
All dictionaries use JMdict anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18081228
jisho.org is basically just edict, I think. So download the edict EPWING dictionary and view it with something like qolibri. Edict is not a very accurate dictionary though, so keep in mind that it may simplify different readings into one meaning when there are nuances, or leave out information. I suggest downloading dictionaries such as Daijirin as well, because they are more comprehensive, and you will eventually want to be using mainly only Japanese→Japanese dictionaries in the future anyway.

And yea idk if you can do this one the phone but I guess >>18081329 is confident you can

[Anonymous No.]

Is it just me, or does not a single one of the Yomichan keyboard shortcuts actually work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18081187
>〜っ
What does this mean?

[Anonymous No.]

i want to learn japanese so i can get a big christmas cake gf!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18081425
Playfully stretched out sound with abrupt ending

[Anonymous No.]

>>18081856
this is why i can't into manga for literal toddlers

half the time i don't know if what i'm reading is actually a word or just moesounds

[Anonymous No.]

>>18081904
The reason you can't is you're an autistic fuck who lacks the ability for creative, abstract thought. It's painfully obvious for anyone who isn't a complete genetic failure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082039
jesus christ

this thread sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082044
he takes his comics very seriously

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082039
Be nice anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>18072692
I actually started reading novels this year, so yes. And yeah, I took the N1 but the fucking listening section jesus christ why didn't I realize that's where they put all the hardest material.

I'm gonna try reading one book a week in 2018. That means at least 15% of a book a day, although I can split it into two bursts of 7% and 8% in the morning/evening which is what I'll likely do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082187
>failed listening
>thinks reading more will help
Watch anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082187
Watch bangumi/dorama, not anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082263
It kind of does, in the sense you know more vocabulary that your can recognize. Regardless, reading is what I want to be best at, and I've got a lot to improve on. I should start something for listening too though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082293
>dorama
I hope autist-kun doesn't show up and ruins the thread again...

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082345
>autist-kun
you have to be a bit more specific

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082353
That one guy who always spergs whenever someone says "dorama" instead of "drama"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082293
Why watch bad tv when you have all these good animus to watch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18071980
Hey DJT,
I've been reading Tae Kim on and off but haven't put any effort. As my new year's resolution I want to dedicate myself and learn Nihongo again (yeah right). I'm better off in all other aspects except grammar. Now I want to know, which of Tae Kim's guide should I read/focus on first? There are two guides:

The Grammar guide, which is suggested by the DJT link, and is also offered in other formats (Android, PDF, Paperback). http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar

The Complete Guide, which for a long while has been "in progress", which is weird to still be described as such even though he put more effort in changing the website layout.
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/complete/


Which would be a better start? I'm leaning towards the Grammar guide, but I want to know which has the best pacing / explanation / information of the two, and which would be more resourceful?


>>18072208
I'm having this exact same dilemma too, but I'm more intent on Japanese though, because Russian is easily accessible and learn-able.

At the very least, just learn how to read Cyrillic, it's the only barrier that makes Russian appear "different". After that, it just becomes "another European language".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082421
Fuck, bump limit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082421
Read the grammar guide, it's easy to follow in pdf form. It's like 350 pages but like half of it is vocabulary lists for the examples.

[Anonymous No.]

Jesus Christ half of my brand new farm deck is shit like なんて and だからって, why does this have to be so complicated? Why is the meaning so different from just だから? I can't learn Japanese

This fucking abstract vocabulary that doesn't mean anything should just die why can't all languages be Esperanto

[Anonymous No.]

I'm pretty sure I'm misunderstanding this sentence but I don't see how..
>どこかに怪物を退治してくれるような強いお方があらぬものか？
I first read it as something along the lines of
>You seem to be the strong people who will exterminate the monsters for us but... are you someone else?
When I replied yes, the fat guy's response was something along the lines of
>What? You guy are?!
>Looking at you, you don't seem very strong...
>Oh well, you're our last hope.
>なんと　あなたかたか！？
>見たところ　あまり強そうには…いや　今は　ワラにもすがる思い！
I think I might be misunderstanding あらぬもの but I'm not sure. Isn't he asking if they're the wrong/different people?

>>18082552
I think you might be overthinking it...
Isn't tacking て/って on to things just a casual way of speaking?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082566

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082552
>だからって
Consider it short for だからって言っても

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082552
だからって　＝だからと言って.

I pulled that right out of the 研究社 dictionary

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082566
>あらぬ
It's おらぬ

He is asking aren't there some strong people somewhere who could exterminate the monsters

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082605
>居らぬ
Ahhh, I need to pay more attention instead of glazing over words.
Thank you!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082626
居る should normally be read as いる. Did the original passage use hiragana おらぬ or actually used 居らぬ(which I can't recall ever seeing)? Don't kanji-ify when you're not supposed to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082584
>>18082587
Thanks for spoonfeeding, that makes sense.

Doesn't really help when you first encounter these in the wild. What's a good place to learn origins for words like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082662
Look at a Japanese→ Japanese dictionary, they will usually be more 詳しく. Or google online and you'll probably find a yahoo answers thread.

[Anonymous No.]

Hello there guys, I have completely no clue about japanese characters.
Just now I grabbed an OST from an anime. However all the titles are in Japanese.
Using a short Java Script I wrote, I managed to export all the titles to a txt file.
None the less I now want to somehow convert these japanese characters to latin characters or maybe even completely translate the titles.
Here is the pastebin containing the titles: https://pastebin.com/WZuEHLWe
For this purpose I have 2 questions:
1) Which type of Japanese characters are these?
2) Does anybody know a decent tool that could translate/convert these titles for me in one go?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082690
Try >>>/wsr/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082690
1) hiragana, katakana, and kanji. So basically. regular Japanese
2) google translate would probably do pretty well. But if you just google the title outright i'm sure you'll get the romaji for it, or it's probably on some anime ost database website or something.

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>>18080335
this more or less happened to me

just recently started using anki, and when i read doujin/see a random image i use jisho to look up the radicals and slowly decipher the meaning

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>>18082690
This thread isn't your personal search engine.
>Read the guide before asking questions.
>http://djtguide.neocities.org/
As for how automatically translating titles in Japanese you're asking on the wrong place Just use google translate's API or something...

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>>18082707
>>18082866
What about just converting them to latin characters so they are still in Japanese, but I can actually pronounce it.

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>>18082911
Learn Japanese and then write them out yourself

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>>18082911
How about learn Japanese and/or fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082911
Just go ask google translate.

[Anonymous No.]

How hard is a 田中芳樹 novel going to kick my ass if I've only read よつばと prior?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18072208
Russian is far far easier than nip, if you're a Westerner

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>>18082911
How about you stop posting now? Unbelievable

[Anonymous No.]

So why isn't けさは used as a morning greeting?

[Anonymous No.]

What terms should I know to follow nip politics, does anything interesting happen there, what?

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>>18082982
Because it isn't

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>>18082948
I can only guess based on the anime and genre etc. but most likely it will fuck your shit up with a thousand obscure kanji spellings and tons of specific vocabulary you didn't see before

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>>18082990
But why isn't it
What made old gooks just say "this day!" and "this evening!" as hello but not "this morning!"

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>>18079189
The limit is cards, not notes, so your 20 new cards for the day are probably 10 new cards from yesterday's radicals and 10 new cards from today's 10 radicals.
Personally, I don't do multiple cards per note, I do recall for kanji (and would do recall for radicals if I did radicals) and recognition for vocab. But I'm sure someone here does and likes it.

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>>18083038
languages aren't logical, i doubt there's a specific reason why

english has tons of weird inconsistencies as well

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>>18080397
Please stop learning vocab in kana, you are doing yourself a disservice. Learning the representation that actually has any chance of being difficult should be done up front. Even vocab that is usually written in kana should be learned in kanji so that you do not have to learn it separately when you inevitably do run into some pretentious author that uses the kanji.
>I have pretty much all of the radicals down and a handful of kanji.
What good are 200 radicals doing you with presumably under 200 kanji?
>And since kanji have upwards of 5 readings each,, actually learning them is a nightmare; even if I can actively identify the kanji
This would rarely be a problem if you hadn't fucked up in the first place. Many words you'd be able to guess. Only the fraction that are surprising take extra effort.

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>>18083038
Why do we say "hello" instead of "whargarbl" as a greeting?

[Anonymous No.]

so is RTK something everyone should do, or is it a meme? Should I just read instead?

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>>18083295
use KKLC instead

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>>18082948
try reading more difficult manga instead

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>>18083328
Why

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>>18083347
its more recent, and better

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>>18083165
because a greeting should never resemble the sound your sex slave makes gargling your load

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>>18083347
RTk doesn't teach you how to read kanji and teaches them in a fucked up gimmick order by certain radicals instead of frequency, so you'll learn tons of fundamental kanji only near the end of the book

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>>18083350
>>18083358
And assuming I only have so much time in a day, would reading or KKLC be better?

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>>18083400
assuming you have a job, other obligations and such, I would suggest dropping jap
it needs a higher priority of time for it to take years
otherwise it will be decades

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>>18083400
I think in the long run you'd do yourself a favor when you go through the individual kanji at least once to get a basic understanding of them

>>18083464
you should be a motivational speaker

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>>18083464
t. dekinai

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>>18083400
isolated kanji study is absolutely mandatory if you're serious about learning the language in an efficient way, but you can do it on the sde while you learn actual japanese

the problem with RTK is that Heisig wants you to finish the book before you start learning anything else, which is unreasonable for most people

>>18083464
nice scaremongering

even if you only study an hour or so per day you can still make decent progress, you just have to be consistent

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>>18083464
>>18083490
>>18083507
Well I already spend roughly 30 minutes to an hour doing anki, and then 2 hours a day reading. I could maybe push KKLC in there if only 30 minutes to an hour a day is fine

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>>18083507
>the problem with RTK is that Heisig wants you to finish the book before you start learning anything else, which is unreasonable for most people
Am I weird if learning individual kanji has been the funniest part about teaching myself japanese yet?

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>>18083530
at the time it was sort of fun I guess, hence all the good amazon reviews, but once you get out of complete dekinainess you realize how much time you wasted

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>>18083530
i love it too

i particularly like writing anything with a 寸 in it

really gets the juices flowing

[Anonymous No.]

What decks do u use anons?

[Anonymous No.]

is using the anki deck while doing kklc a necessity? I already do the core deck and my mining deck, i feel like 3 a day would be a bit much. should I stop new cards in core or something in place of kklc?

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>>18083548
How exactly is it a time waste? Can you even start reading without furigana if you don't know at least 1000 characters?

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>>18083507
>the problem with RTK is that Heisig wants you to finish the book before you start learning anything else
Well, it's not like Heisig is some monster who'll devour you if you don't do exactly what he says.

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>>18083165
Comes from an Old German root

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>>18083639
And why did the Huns say hello instead of farting at each other? It all comes down to arbitrary convention.

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>>18083581
Using decks is for losers, just read NHK until you learn it

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>>18083630
Don't underestimate social scientists
They'll follow you to the depths of hell to shove their bullshit in you throat

[Anonymous No.]

>>18083340
I really just wanna read 銀河英雄伝説 though

[Anonymous No.]

>>18083581
JALUP Kanji Kingdom

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>>18083583
also should I write all the kanji it teaches if i'm not interested in learning how to write kanji?

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>>18083626
I actually did all the shit that was said in RTK so basically I postponed reading for months and by the time I've got through I still didn't know how to read the simplest shit and went through his 2nd book which is complete dogshit btw.
that aside, until you finally start to read you've already forgotten the meanings of tons of kanji again

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>>18083687
honestly when you've just read Yotsuba then this would be way over your head
not only is it Sci-Fi but also about military stuff, strategy, politics, history etc., you'd spend hours and hours on looking up shit without reading much

there's no realistic cost-benefit ratio at this point

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>>18083781
>politics
Finally, Core's time to shine!!!

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>>18083748
>by the time I've got through I still didn't know how to read the simplest shit
Same thing is bound to happen if you go through core2/6k. But you don't have to learn the whole dictionary before you start reading. The same applies to kanji, you don't need to know every single character out there before you can start reading.
Heisig is a fucking fraud, you don't have to follow everything he says in his meme book to the letter. However don't try reading Natsume Souseki if you don't have a solid kanji base (among other things).

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>>18083630
a lot of very common kanji only appear very late in the book, and because of the way the book is structured skipping ahead isn't really practical

RTK is really only good if you use it as designed

>>18083718
if you never practice writing kanji you'll never be able write anything properly with pen and paper

it's less important nowadays but being an advanced japanese learner that can't write 僕 is kinda embarrassing

[Anonymous No.]

should I even use KKLC or RTK if i'm not having any real trouble remembering kanji? My core retention is about 90% and my mining retention is 70% and rising. Would it just be better to read?

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>>18083827
How many Kanji do you know?

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>>18083848
im about 2300 into core and i have ~300 words in my mining deck

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>>18083856
Yes but how many kanji do you know?
Learning individual kanji with RTK or whatever will probably help you mid/long-term. *probably*.
The point is learning japanese is far from being an exact science, but using RTK or whatever *generally* helps your long-term retention. No one knows what the absolute best method is or if it's even the same for everyone (which it probably isn't), don't force yourself to do something only because the general consensus says it's the better thing to do.

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>>18083827
I wouldn't. Not that kanji study is bad or that it's better to read, it's just not necessary.

I had high retention like you as well; the only reason I started kanji study was because I just wanted to finish off the last few hundred jouyou I hadn't picked up automatically, basically to be just able to say "yeah I learned the jouyou"

Pretty sure I would've learned them anyway if I'd kept reading, maybe a couple months later though.

[Anonymous No.]

where does one find raw manga? do japanese people normally have readers or do they download cbz or something?

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that isolated kanji study is the OPPOSITE of mandatory.

- I know a statistically significant number of people on a personal level who have actually successfully "Learned Japanese"
- Using RTK is actually a negative predictor of future success
- Early isolated kanji study doesn't have a correlation with eventual success learning the language
- The only predictors of success in learning the language are how much input you consume and how interested you are in it
- Even memorizing vocabulary in Anki has a very minor effect if you're learning from shared decks, and if you're mining all it does is make up for disinterest in the material

Early isolated kanji study is a joke. The only reason KKLC is recommended instead of RTK is because it tricks you into learning vocabulary if you use it as intended. Don't believe the samefag's lies.

If you're not directly on the track to reading Japanese, you are not learning Japanese. Early isolated kanji study is too many steps removed to make a difference. You can do it because it's fun, but that doesn't mean it's good for your Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone actually learned Japanese?
After 4 months I'm in a weird place where I usually recognize a few words per sentence and enough to understand the basic gist of what a song is about and started reading and farming words and just passed 800 kanji on kanjigrid today, but it doesn't feel like I've really learned anything because I can't understand anime or sometimes even understand manga even if I can read the sentences

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>>18083521
I'm only 1/3 through KKLC, but my anki time is currently about 30 minutes vocab cards and 30 minutes kanji cards. I'm not going at a very high pace, but certainly not the slowest either.

>>18083748
>went through his 2nd book
I think that's a much bigger mistake than doing RTK1 as intended is.

>until you finally start to read you've already forgotten the meanings of tons of kanji again
Weren't you making a deck? Regardless, in my opinion it's not about the meanings as much as getting a familiarity so that when you learn words you don't get them mixed up as easily. But I'm not doing isolated kanji, just kanji cards with an admittedly slower pace of vocab and reading than I intend to do when I get through KKLC.

I also think you're overestimating how much better reading would have gone otherwise. You're always jumping into more words than you know unless you're looking at textbook sentences or graded readers with artificial stories tuned to your knowledge. Also, some of the "simplest shit" shouldn't be learned through anything BUT reading to begin with.

>>18083827
Probably not. Some people do just fine jumping into vocab, and reading is definitely more important. I started kanji cards because I had trouble with a prior attempt at vocab. I still make stupid mistakes from time to time, but I think I'm much quicker to catch and identify my mistake, realize the two kanji I'm switching up, and be more careful with those words in the future. Keep it in mind as a possibility if things change, or you could make cards only for the kanji that you have trouble with.

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>>18084001
>where I usually recognize a few words per sentence and enough to understand the basic gist of what a song is about
You're way overestimating your comprehension of songs.

>and started reading and farming words and just passed 800 kanji on kanjigrid today
Oh, so you're not four months in, you're one day in. Have fun realizing how much time you've wasted not reading.

Also, in case you're >>18082552 (since "farm" is definitely not the right word to use here) you need to be a LOT more selective about what words you mine.

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>>18083521
thats more than enough time
I refused to put a number on it here>>18083464 because its going to vary from what language people started from
there is some advantage starting from chinese or korean(so i've been told)
so what >>18083507 says could be right, an hour is fine

but if you start from english, and have learned nothing else, an hour a day is going to take far longer than 2

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>>18084000
is this pasta?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084038
No.

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>>18084015
>It's a reading from day one episode

I like your YouTube channel!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ2_O9PlKTo

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>>18084042
Can you quote where I said that? Because I'm pretty sure I didn't say that.

[Anonymous No.]

What do you senpaitachi think about skimming RTK and learning his 'primitives' to aid in recall when learning kanji through vocabulary? I've been doing the coredeck and looking up kanji in jisho, taking note of the radicals and writing them out once to get a feel for stroke order. As someone who finds using mneunomics a must, I find radicals can be a bit granular while RTK fixes this by building larger units of meaning.

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>>18084038
No. This is pasta.

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>>18084053
A certain permanent dekinai from koohii made a "cut down" set of RTK kanji for people like you. I have no idea if it's any good. Really all these resources that are supposed to truck your memory are garbage.

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>>18084042
I hope I remember to never speak Japanese for as long as I live.

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>>18084042
This looks more like a speaking from day one episode. Why do you watch enough learn japanese youtubers to be able to associate posters with them?

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>>18084053
The point of RTK is making primitives out of primitives. There's no point remembering a character by learning every single one of its "constituents"

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>>18084091
RTK is wrong.

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>>18084092
Where were you when Anon posted the three holy words by complete chance?

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>>18084091
So you're saying it's a decent idea?

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>>18084063
You only sound like that if you force speaking from the beginning instead of reading for at least a year, preferably two, before practicing conversation.
You will probably still look the same to anyone who can't understand you though, hard to escape that.

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>>18084042
>アニメが月ですか？月～
cringed for the entire video but laughed here

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>>18084000
Source?

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>>18084092
If you're going to learn kanji through primitives, failing to group primitives maketh dekinai. You can argue against kanji study, especially kanji study, but arguing against grouping primitives within kanji study is just silly.

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>>18084123
No, RTK is wrong.

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>>18084116
the person who you're responding to is the source

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>>18084123
>You can argue against kanji study, especially kanji study
????

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>>18084131
that's the only part of their post that made sense anon

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>>18084123
especially isolated kanji study*
Don't listen to me, I can't English.

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>>18084129
In which case it's useless.

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>>18084136
so are the hordes of people talking about kanji study being good

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>>18084135
it was already fine, it's the "especially X in particular can be Yed" pattern

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084053
Please respond. I need validation of my learning method so I can sleep easy.

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[Anonymous No.]

Can someone explain this piece of grammar for me?
入るに入れない
行くに行けない
So basically Verb + に + same verb in the negative potential. I can't find anything on Renshuu concerning this grammar point, or even on Google for that matter

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>>18084164
https://core6000.neocities.org/dojg/entries/532.html

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>>18084172
Thank you!

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>>18084139
they're more "statistically significant", at least

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>>18084201
not at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084201
You have no way of knowing that there are more than three people posting in favor of kanji study ITT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084212
or that they aren't beginners

[Anonymous No.]

What's the deal with nips writing pronouns in katakana and just writing words with easy kanji in kana in general? Some jap just corrected me saying you should always write ともだち not 友達...

[Anonymous No.]

I don't usually use this board, but I've been playing Persona 5, so I've got some questions about Japan. I figure some of you have lived or visited there.
1) Do people go jogging/running on the streets of Tokyo like they do in big cities in North America?
2) What is the school week for kid there? The game made it seem like Monday-Saturday, but it wasn't consistent.

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>>18084275
>>>/int/

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>>18084278
That board is full of le 56% memes and Scandinavians. I'd rather not

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084280
Unfortunately it's also the only board where anybody would be willing to answer your question with a non-troll answer.

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>>18084275
1)no
2)mon-fri

google it next time

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>>18084232
that's who it's for though

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>>18084275
>Do people go jogging/running on the streets of Tokyo like they do in big cities in North America?
dont think so in tokyo but japan likes to run a lot, just not really in the city where there are a bunch of business people

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>>18084275
1) yes but not in the same way
>>18084297
doesn't matter, you don't know if something works until you stop being a beginner

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>>18084267
If the kana form is just as easily recognizable as the kanji (most pronouns are unmistakable) there isn't a practical reason for it to be written in kanji

also the average japanese years out of school is not that good at writing kanji, so rather than fucking up easy ones in front of other people it's probably safer to write in kana when you can

I can only guess though, you should ask your jap friend for the reason

[Anonymous No.]

is 2000 words in 3 and a half months decent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084328
Perfectly fine, but you better start using those words.

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>>18084303
being able to write and tell kanji apart is the first real roadblock for a beginner, and studying kanji in isolation is simply much more efficient than learning them through osmosis because you can learn them at a much higher rate than vocabulary

but i guess you did things the slow way so everybody else should too

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>>18084341
>being able to write
Laughing. Bitches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084341
It takes native Japanese most of compulsory education to learn to write kanji. And even then they're fucking terrible at it.

Whoever or whatever has been teaching you about how to learn Japanese is basically cult-like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18078322
>spends 2+ hours per day practicing writing, a skill he'll never use

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>>18084352
autists in this thread actually believe that writing practice is for the express purpose of actually being able to write the characters by hand instead of memorizing each stroke perfectly

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>>18084359
writing is the slowest way to memorize that
also reminder that memorization is a last resort, not a default behavior

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084364
if you can't write something by hand through memory without having seen it in the last 10 minutes you don't actually know it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084369
there are more fluent second language readers of japanese that don't know how to write than there are ones who do know how to write

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084376
exactly, why would you want to become yet another useless baka gaijin?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084369
then I guess a lot of Japanese don't know all the joyou kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084379
nobody actually uses writing as a skill

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084382
yeah and a lot of english speakers wouldn't know how to spell chrysanthemum if you asked them to, do you really want to be as stupid as them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084388
if you know how to spell chrysanthemum based on hearing it spoken then you're the weird one

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084388
Pretty much every native english speaker depends on spellcheck when writing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084388
You convinced me, god forbid I ever end up not being able to spell obscure botany terms.

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>>18084399
>>18084398
Listen, if you ever want to be reminded as to how stupid the average person really is, go read your local buy and sell facebook page.

The exact same level of stupidity exists across the world, including Japan, stop setting the bar so low for yourself because you saw a convenient statistic to get you out of the hard work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084391
>>18084398
>>18084399
ESL detected

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>>18084413
Anon, the average person isn't stupid, you're just autistic. Nobody outside of field X cares how to spell the jargon that's exclusive to field X.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084422
You're actually retarded (average person tier) if you can't spell chrysanthemum after hearing it.

Literally what would you even write, krisanthem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084432
There are multiple valid ways to write chrysanthemum. You need to know which languages each morpheme in it is derived from if you're going to accurately predict how it's spelled. To do that you have to see it spelled.

[Anonymous No.]

[C/Ch]r[y/i]santh[e/i]mum

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084432
don't pretend to be me

>>18084422
>Anon, the average person isn't stupid,
if you REALLY believe this you're probably one of the average people. People are fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084447
Average is the definition of normal intelligence.

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>>18084447
I'm not pretending to be you

>>18084445
Name 5 examples of cris- or chris- in the English language that isn't a name or a spic loan word

>>18084449
normal is literally retarded
>be dumber than 49.99999999999% of all people
>waaa mommy i'm normal i'm not stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084461
>He doesn't know that intelligence is a wave function

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084461
anything that starts with christ
crisp
crisis
criss-crossed
crista/cristae

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>>18084341
You're sidestepping the claim that you can't know if something worked until you're not a beginner with useless explanation about why it's good for beginners. You're missing his point.
>>18084347
Japanese "practice" writing through straight repetition, as far as I'm aware, though I'd be interested in a claim otherwise.
>>18084364
Out of curiosity, what do you consider the best way to memorize that?
>>18084398
At least 80% of words I don't know how to spell are not in my browser or phone's shitty spellcheck dictionaries, and I consider my spelling above average but far from good. A majority of English speakers do not know how to spell, but not "pretty much every" one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084474
>crisp
>criss-cross
>word

>cristae
>English

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084491
>>crisp
>>criss-cross
>>word
Those are words.

>>cristae
That is as English as chrysanthemum is.

[Anonymous No.]

日本語

[Anonymous No.]

Why the fuck aren't there readings on RTK? What's wrong with Heisig?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084495
It's not a real world if it's something your inbred redneck uncle would use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084503
he wanted to sell 2 different books

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084503
Learning readings in isolation from vocabulary is bad unless you already know enough Japanese to know what you're doing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084509
Could you please explain? And that was too fast for /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084503
shut up and learn your ribs

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084498

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084465
If that's how you want to play
>WAAAA MOMMYYY I'm dumber than than 85% of people but that doesn't mean I'm stupid because I'm within one standard deviation!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084491
>>crisp
>>criss-cross
>>word
You should be in the daily english thread instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084514
Unlike Hanzi for Chinese, Kanji for Japanese are an orthography, not words or parts of words. For sino-Japanese vocabulary you can get away with treating individual kanji like words, but different readings have different nuances. You will never understand the differences in nuances between readings unless you learn vocabulary that use that reading of that kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>bu-but muh kanji gains
So what if some people want to learn handwriting though? The fact you feel so offended at the idea of some people feeling like writing the kanji down helps them memorise it faster reeks reader only inferiority complex desu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084523
>western reading comics
into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084532
The problem is not that they feel that way, the problem is that they're pushing it on other people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084524
Congrats, you just proved that you're in the bottom 20%.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084505
My inbred redneck uncle studies aesthetics and memorized a latin pocket dictionary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084531
I see. Thanks. So is there actually any reason to learn them on isolation if in the end I'll have to memorize their readings sepparately anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084542
It can make your brain stop seeing kanji as a mess of scribbles.

Other than that? No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084543
How do you do to memorize the kanji through vocabulary, then? Do you simply write them down and put them on your anki? I've failed to memorize them through vocab, maybe I should start writing them down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084526
>crispy crunch cereals
>lmao litty af dude xdddd

If child/niggerspeak are considered real words these days, there's no saving the English language.

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>>18084549
There isn't really any way to short circuit the process and make it go faster. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084551
crisp and criss-cross are 100% normal english
you do not know english if you think they sound childish or slangy

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084553
I wouldn't mind doing that, it's just that time is short for me. But I guess I really don't have a choice, should have learnt Japanese while I could.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084549
>Do you simply write them down
No
>and put them on your anki?
Yes
>I've failed to memorize them through vocab
Try again
>maybe I should start writing them down.
dont

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084551

A Crisp or Crisps are British English for Chips

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084561
How does anki really help you to memorize? I can only remember the ones that are commonly used like some verbs and pronouns, but even then right now I have a very vague idea on these and wouldn't be able to write them down if I had to. I plan on moving to Japan so I'm gonna have to do this anyways, doesn't matter how much I try to fool myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084567
it's also the normal adjective used to describe a sensation

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084551
Look up the etymology before saying shit like this you idiot, it came from Latin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084555
The problem is that it's 100% normal English, i.e. not sophisticated enough to be a "real" word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084568
If you plan on moving to japan, this thread isn't for you
try the one on /int/
this one is aimed at otaku media and culture, not production, so its not worked on here(useless outside of japan)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084579
if something is sophisticated it stops being real english

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084570
>>18084567
>>18084555
>>18084551
>>18084541
>>18084526
>>18084495
>>18084491
>>18084477
>>18084474
>>18084461
>>18084449
>>18084447
>>18084445
>>18084438
>>18084432
>>18084414
>>18084399
>>18084398
>>18084391
>>18084388
good lord, i am such a baka. thought I was in /djt/, looks like I've mistakenly entered /det/, gomenasai!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084579
What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084581
They're all talking japanese there, I don't understand it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084474
I may be mistaken, but I don't believe any Latin(-derived) words begin with "c(h)risa". There are a few words that start with "chrysa" such as "chrysalid", which I think is more common from my own experience. I've never seen "anthim" and it seems to appear primarily in ancient names. There are patterns that are ingrained in anyone who gives a fuck about spelling. I'm not necessarily on the side that you're an idiot if you can't sound it out, but it's not as big of a mystery as you're making it out to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084594
>Name 5 examples of cris- or chris- in the English language that isn't a name or a spic loan word

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084593
not the japanese thread, the djt in the same board

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084594
Nobody cares about your autismal pseudointellectual diarrhea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084586
>gomenasai
You'd better find /djt/ fast. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084599
>grasping at straws

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084623
When you respond to a post about one thing with a pile of bullshit about something unrelated in an attempt to discredit it, you are the one that's grasping at straws.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084586
>/det/
can you imagine how cancerous this would be if it existed

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084612
trolled lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084599
I'm not the one who said that, perhaps I should have tagged an earlier post but my point is that none of those words sound similar and guessing at spelling is based on more factors than the individual syllables.
>>18084606
I'm sorry that you can't spell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084600
I see no difference between this one and that one, only the flags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084625
>no u: the post

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084631
>I'm sorry that you can't spell.
My excellent spelling ability has nothing to do with your cancerous fake intellectualism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084641
>le epic reaction image
wrong board

[Anonymous No.]

education has nothing wrong to do with your intelligence

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084634
lurk more newfriend

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084643
I had no intent to come off as "intellectual", and consider myself quite average. I did not attempt to hide that I searched to check that what I was saying wasn't false. If you interpreted it that way, maybe it says more about you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084649
americucks are dumb and have bad education

inb4 b&

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084658
Anon, the fact that you searched to check what you were about to say is what makes you a fake intellectual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084643
>>18084606
It's kind of funny how one of the most pseudointellectual things one can say is pseudointellectual and you relied on it in both of your posts...

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084663
you just said it more times than he did anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084662
Only if you're trying to come off as a real intellectual. I'll keep in mind that I was supposed to shitpost instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084663
lol fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084634
he already told you the difference: >>18084581

>this one is aimed at otaku media and culture, not production

No one here cares about production. We don't have any confirmed fluent speakers or writers who post here on a regular basis, so you're just going to get bad or no answers on the topics of speaking and writing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084667
He also said "autismal ... diarrhea" so I'm quite confident that I still haven't stooped as low as he has.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084671
no shitposting on the /djt/ kudasai

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084676
What do you mean when you say production? i just don't see how there'd be a different userbase on these threads since most that come here already know what they're looking for. and both use the djt guide as basis, the djt guide covers both subjects?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084703
Production means exactly what he said: writing and speaking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084707
Technically production means composing and speaking, not writing in general. Drawing shapes without an understanding of the meaningfulness they have in their language isn't production.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084713
>>18084707
k thx nerd

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084713
It seems to be what was intended, regardless. I'm used to seeing "production" as the opposite of "comprehension" especially in terms of Anki, where it might even be used to describe recall. I'd be interested if you'd disagree with this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084738
It's worth noting that the consistent and regular distinction between "recognition" and "recall" flashcards is not widespread outside of DJT for some reason. People tend to use recognition/recall interchangeably to mean "not cloze/sentence cards".

[Anonymous No.]

Is it a lapse if the english meaning contains "somebody" and I say "someone" or vice versa?
Is it a lapse if I say for example "gun barrel" instead of "barrel of a gun"?
Is it a lapse if I say "person who" instead of "person that" and vice versa?
Is it a lapse if I use "amount" instead of "sum" in "sum of money" and vice versa?

I'm not sure to what extent I can call something "close enough".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084759
Words represent ideas.

You're not trying to memorize a translation, you're trying to learn the idea represented by the Japanese word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084752
i've also always found it interesting that DJT has hijacked the word "fluency" to mean almost everything but speaking

not that it's a big deal but almost everywhere else it's the inverse

[Anonymous No.]

>>18072692
I think my goal was just to stick it out until the end of the year more than anything, and I accomplished that, so I guess so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084768
djt really didn't do that
the word fluency has always had a variety of possible applications
there is no such thing as a general primary use of the word fluency

[Anonymous No.]

>>18082421
Read.The.Fucking.Guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084759
You shouldn't try to do specific one to one translations like that. The languages are too dissimilar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084759
yes,
yes,
yes,
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084788
no
no
no
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084765
So when I read 銃身 and think of pic related, it doesn't really matter if I say "gun barrel" or "barrel of a gun".
Hm, alright.
I'll try to give myself more leeway.
>>18084785
So I should just judge meaning over text, got it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084795
Everyone has their own vague, personal grading system. Just accept the inevitable fact that some cards will mature too early or late and move on

[Anonymous No.]

>>18072692
it wasn't a concrete goal but I kind of just assumed I'd hit X amount of kanji in my mining deck by 2017

turns out I'm not as an avid of a reader as I thought

[Anonymous No.]

I hate writers that don't provide furigana for character names. Open names dictionary, 10 names pop out, pick one that sounds pretty, 50 chapters later the name is spelled out in kana for some godforsaken reason and I have to relearn it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084905
What name?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084795
Though you don't want to read a whole dictionary entry on the back of every card, I tend to have 2-4 translations (per sense of the word, though I don't test every sense and I leave out intuitive colloquial senses) specifically to keep myself from getting too caught up on one. I'm hopefully not going to remember 3 synonyms in order, so I'm just testing that what I did think of is in the same ballpark. It could also help disambiguate English words with multiple meanings, though I don't have a good example handy.

[Anonymous No.]

any tips for reading every day other than 'just do it'?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084926
鈴木「スズキ」です。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085042
order japanese snacks and reward yourself with one every time you read for the day. throw one out on the days you don't, wasting precious candy/snacks that cost you twice as much as they're worth

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085042
don't read the news

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085042
read something you like instead of the recommendations of some random fuck on the internet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085068
he said tips for reading not tips for being fat and poor

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085166
projection much? a healthy active person can snack/treat every single day of their life and suffer no bad consequences because they understand portion control.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085171
some people's bodies prioritize creating fat over everything else for no reason, either for rare genetic reasons or because of a metabolic disorder, consuming any unnecessary sugar at all is bad for them
note: not one of them, just siblings with one

[Anonymous No.]

Just starting and had the idea of finding input related to my niche degenerate fetish, any anons have advice / experience here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085180
sad panda
good luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085171
>healthy active person
>healthy
>>18085176

not sure what your point is but yeah best of luck to your sibling that life sounds rough

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077547

[Anonymous No.]

>>18077547
Less than a month. If it takes longer, you're not stupid, you're just not reading it fast enough or you're trying to memorize it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085047
if that didn't have furigana it's probably because it's an extremely common name.

I thought you were talking about something like 一（にのまえ）大翔（はると）

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085171
>projection much?
fuck you i'm not poor

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085180
my experience is that when someone says their fetish is "niche" it's usually still some vanilla shit

[Anonymous No.]

>two different pronunciations of the same word that means the same thing
>The cards are hundreds apart in Anki
Why

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085180
What is your fetish anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085313
Because だいじ　is more common than おおごと

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know if people are just sick of the guide or they're just stupid and don't read it, but there are a lot of conversations here that basically involve telling people to read the guide, then after they do, telling them what the guide is Actually Trying To Say. Especially since the guide tries so hard to be impartial that it's sort of confusing what it's trying to say until you lurk for several days.

The site in the OP isn't updated anymore so I don't see any major fixes or alterations happening to the guide any time soon. Since I'm one of the few people here unlucky enough to have been here for a long time, I figured it would take me less effort than anyone else to crib together a bunch of the different bastardized miniature guides that keep getting posted and see what happens. This is a first draft, so I can't see it being used.

None of the ideas here are original, it's cribbed together from random crap other people have posted.

Go ahead and rewrite it, integrate parts of it into the guide in the OP, or greentext single paragraphs from it. Just do whatever it takes to make it take less time to explain how to get started correctly to people.

https://pastebin.com/raw/vbySn87v

[Anonymous No.]

whoever says to read what you want instead of just doing hanahira or yotsuba like everyone tells you to, you're right
i'm having a lot of fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085289
>>18085321
male wg, actually already found some good stuff so I'm set.

This is pretty fun, using tesseract OCR w/ OCRfeeder for kana + doing the hiragana / katakana by hand to have words I can dictionary search for

I figured out I can defeat the exercise by just OCRing the whole text box and throwing it into google translate, but not doing that so that I can learn, of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18072208
>learn japanese
>a billion grammatical patterns
>learn russian
>a billion noun conjugations
pick your poison

[Anonymous No.]

>try learning kanji through words
>all its done is help me learn kanji that let me "cheat" to recall them, like a kanji next to a number and there's a very real chance I wouldn't even recognize it on its own
>try learning kanji through isolation
>all its done is let me memorize a few kanji in a vacuum, but not know which of the 2-31 readings it is when I actually encounter it in the wild
>try learning kanji through radicals
>all its done is helped me learn all of the radicals like I learned all the kana, but not actually been useful in learning kanji
>none of them have lead me to any significant progress in kanji and I still suck at it

what even do to progress with kanji at this point? Even with my anki decks where I can guess something in english and have it be correct (like this is the kanji for "fire" when I see it, not even knowing the readings) there are still kanji I learned in the first week I started kanji that I can't remember when they pop up

I don't want this to be the wall that stops me but none of the methods in the guide have really resonated with me or helped me feel like I'm learning kanji at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085413
read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085413
What >>18085416 said. If you want long-term memory, then try finding a way to constantly encounter words with the kanji you struggle with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085408
good game

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085327
I don't fully agree with everything (obviously almost no one will), and I have some stupidly pedantic complaints, but I also worry that it's already too long for some of the people that are overwhelmed by the existing guide. So it's probably about as good as it gets. I'd show it to anyone who asked me for advice, so good job.

[Anonymous No.]

typing in Japanese (google IME) has become so fucking slow lately that it even crashes sometimes when i'm typing
what the fuck do i do

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085462
uninstall IME
reinstall IME

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085416
>>18085426
I don't really understand how the concept of reading helps though is the thing, that's where the guide lost me. The whole reason I want to learn kanji is so that I can read, because I currently can't if there are kanji. Basically one of two things happens:
>the thing I'm reading has subscript hiragana and I just cheat reading that instead
>the thing I'm reading just has kanji with no subscript, and I simply can't read it outside of the particles/hiragana/katakana
At least int he first case I can technically read and comprehend the sentences, but nothing about it helps me form a lasting relationship between the subscript and the kanji below it; it is sure to be forgotten the instant I turn the page

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085476
Think about learning skills in general. Think about something really arbitrary, specific, and physical, like cutting down trees with hand tools, or fencing.

The fastest way to learn is by doing. You might have no idea what you're doing, but it's still the fastest way.

But by doing a little bit of studying or instruction, you can make it way easier to go through the earliest stage of learning-by-doing.

Once you pass the earliest stage of learning-by-doing, studying and instruction are only good for systemizing what you already know, or analyzing what you've learned to do in retrospect.

The more individual things there are to learn in a given skill, the less studying helps, because each individual aspect of the skill should only take five or ten minutes or so to learn, but without the context of already intuitively understanding it, it takes a lot longer to study.

Now reread those four lines while thinking about grammar.

Now reread those four lines while thinking about kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085476
Mining
Every word that you don't know off the kanji goes into a deck

[Anonymous No.]

/djt/ I need help. I want to make 2018 the year I finally learn Japanese but I don't know how to succeed. I first started trying 3 years ago. I have not yet managed to make it past an N5 level. How do I find the time to consistently practice and make progress? I work 60 hours per week so I can't just no-life it like a lot of people. What am I supposed to do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085502
read >>18085327

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085502
Do you have 30 minutes in bed every night?

Use those 30 minutes to read manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085476
>>the thing I'm reading just has kanji with no subscript, and I simply can't read it outside of the particles/hiragana/katakana
That's when you use tools for quick dictionary lookups. You learn to read by reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085502
Put anki on your phone and do it during your spare time at work.

Listen or watch stuff during commutes.

Enroll in a small class or hire a tutor at night to learn grammar.

Read during the weekends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085327
Pomax's explanation of が is actually bad. He just mentions that it marks the subject and fucks off to other shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085593
That's disturbing. I remember it being better. Anyone have any idea what to link to for が?

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone actually read a は が wall of text and go "oh now I get it" proceeding to never actually fuck it up again?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm around 1k words, and I'm starting to find a lot of words that have kanji that I already knew, just with different hiragana.

It feels like I'm getting shit for free and picking up speed. Is that a trend that will continue? Does Kanji normally get reused for tons of words?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085604
I would tell you to link The Guide That Shall Not Be Named but then people would flame your pastebin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085608
yes, it will continue, pretty much forever

which is why you'll either eventually drop anki out of boredom or begin to actively seek out spicy words with rare or no kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085611
>The Guide That Shall Not Be Named
Sakubi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085327
>The site in the OP isn't updated anymore so I don't see any major fixes or alterations happening to the guide any time soon.
You can still edit the Google Docs pages, it's just that changes only get approved and moved the the neocities pages once in a blue moon.

The maintainer is looking for someone to take over from them but nobody seems to want to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085612
I'm pretty happy about that, it feels like I'm getting rewarded for hanging in there.

I don't plan to do it forever, but I tried reading when I was around 500 Kanji and it was pretty frustrating since I had to pause every couple of seconds. I think I'll just start doing mining when I'm around 2k and just force myself to read.

Lets all hang in there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085655
That was true for the djt.neocities page but the djtguide.neocities page basically did a fork of the guide. There are (good) changes in the neocities pages that don't exist in the google docs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085660
Example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085670
Also there are docs change suggestions from November that have been sitting there and have not been approved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085639
probably

[Anonymous No.]

>thought I did good making it through all 見 verbs
>ten different variations of "go down" and "go up" come up
They're not even that different, at least at first glance, what the hell?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085660
>>18085670
That change was only just approved about a week ago. For some reason, the maintainer just approved the change with no edit on the Google Docs page, but changed the wording when they copied the change over to the neocities page. I don't understand why they didn't just edit it on both if they didn't like the wording.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085751
Actually, it might've been closer to month ago. I can't remember. Anyway, not too far back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085751
I was there when it was put on the neocities page. And it was put on the neocities page because someone linked HJGP to the maintainer on the thread or the feedback page. It wasn't copied.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085674
Yeah, like I say, the maintainer doesn't really want to take care of the guide and stuff anymore.

See:
>>17678965
>>17679076
>>17679119

The guide changing hands is kind of risky business though. I'd rather have a lazy maintainer than a bad maintainer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085765
The post you responded to is about the person who maintains the djtguide.neocities site, not the google docs page, they're different people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085476
In my experience, anki review solidifies reading the kanji without furigana, while actually reading solidifies the word itself. Reading does help with the kanji part, especially without furigana, and anki can help with the meaning especially for very rare words, but those are the primary benefits of each for me I think.
>>18085511
I'm by no means discouraging those tools, but I feel that easy lookup especially diminishes the benefit of learning to read the kanji, especially if you don't have the self-restraint to wait a few seconds before you mouse over. Which is part of why I say that anki is better for reading the kanji, but of course reading itself is still incredibly important.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085769
>but I feel that easy lookup especially diminishes the benefit of learning to read the kanji
Hard lookups makes it impossible to read things that don't have furigana without bashing your head into a wall on unknown words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085763
Are you sure?

Somewhere in the region of a week to a month ago, the maintainer suddenly decided to approve a bunch of the changes on the resources page, and that was one of them. I happened to open the resources page while they were doing it and saw them at work.

>>18085768
They don't seem to be. Like I said above, I saw the maintainer approving the changes on the Google Docs page, and then those same changes subsequently popping up on the corresponding neocities page.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085779
>Are you sure?
Your account of what happened is completely wrong, so yeah?

commit ba7bfa14684644e87aae5fddd947c9dd82276c58
Author: postautistic <fakeemail@lol>
Date: Tue Jul 11 17:12:25 2017 -0400
add Handbook of Japanese Grammar Patterns

(>>/jp/thread/S17295476#p17295517 Jul 8)

commit 1454dd59b48f1b17ad5100535b1b13f013162407
Author: postautistic <fakeemail@lol>
Date: Mon Jul 17 00:13:16 2017 -0400
Handbook of Japanese Grammar Patterns index
(>>/jp/thread/S17329850#p17334540 Jul 16)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085793
>a week to a month ago
>it was almost half a year ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085793
See also: >>/jp/thread/S17295476#p17309156

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085793

Relating to >>17295517
This was just when it was added to the CoR, wasn't it? I'm pretty sure it wasn't on the resources page at that time. I don't think the CoR maintainer is the neocities/guide maintainer.

Relating to >>17334540
I'm almost certain that the Core6000 page isn't run by the same person as the neocities page.


Well, maybe this is just a case of a coincidental timing. I DID see that HJGP change added to the Google Docs resources page not long ago, but maybe there was already an entry for it on the neocities resources page and I just didn't realize. I know for a fact that some of the changes from the Google Docs page weren't already on the neocities page because I had to hard-refresh the neocities page for them to appear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085823
>by the same person as the neocities page.
the djtguide.neocities page, that is

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085823
Commit 1454dd59b48f1b17ad5100535b1b13f013162407 covers adding the index to the resource page.

https://git.fuwafuwa.moe/djt/djt/commit/1454dd59b48f1b17ad5100535b1b13f013162407

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085831
Looks like it was just a coincidence then.

This link seems to corroborates my account that a bunch of changes got approved some time in the last month though:
https://git.fuwafuwa.moe/djt/djt/commit/f2da9ec50e662da01e11634558f1c7460d451d1f

>2 weeks ago
>File diff suppressed because it is too large

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085861
The file is too large, not the diff. The diff size is displayed here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085864
>The file is too large, not the diff. The diff size is displayed here.
I only copy-pasted what the page says.

In any case, you can agree that 30 total changes is "a bunch", I hope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085898
There were only 15 or so changes migrated from the docs resources page in that commit, and they were migrated selectively.

[Anonymous No.]

So I just started reading a few days ago, and i'm finding that i'm able to recognize some vocab, but not when theyre in all their various forms, such as past tense, negative, and with all the other types of endings such as passive endings, etc.
Is there a quick fix for this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085939
Read more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085921
>There were [...] 15 or so changes migrated from the docs resources page
So, exactly as I said, changes were made to the Google Docs resources page and the neocities resources page within the last month.

Why do you keep arguing with me then? I already accepted that I was wrong about the HJGP part and explained that it was just a coincidence, yet you keep hounding me as if I'm maliciously spreading lies or something. Can we just drop it already?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085942
I didn't say that the neocities guide never migrates changes, I said that they both have changes that the other doesn't. I'm not hounding you, I'm responding to you. You're imagining hostility that I don't bear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085939
Look each one up as you encounter it and make sure you get the meaning correct. Eventually you will recognize the patterns.

If you're desperate you can do some textbook exercises which ask you to conjugate verbs on your own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085946
>I said that they both have changes that the other doesn't.
From the beginning, I have never argued otherwise.

Besides the HJGP issue, the only other thing I 'argued' was that, based on witnessing changes to the Google Docs resource page showing up on the neocities resource page very shortly after (you yourself and the link I posted confirm that such changes did take place), it appears that the pages are maintained by the same person. I never tried to assert this as fact though; I was only providing my reasoning for thinking what I did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085976
Chill out, dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085984
You're imagining anger that I don't bear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085988
If you weren't at least a little angry you wouldn't have responded like that just now.

[Anonymous No.]

なにこのやり取り

[Anonymous No.]

How do people learn vocab without studying kanji beforehand? What's your retention rate for shit like 欝 or 鬱

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086198
I don't know Japanese and I automatically recognized those as うつ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086201
same

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086201
>>18086204
now write them

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086233
鬱
欝
done

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086240
お見事
now with those

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086240
write =/= type

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086254
うつ
うつ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086257
美しい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086270
憂うつ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086271
ゆいいつ胸

[Anonymous No.]

>>18084778
Yeah, WHICH guide? The grammar one or the "complete" one?

I'm going to read both in the end anyway, I just want to know which one is more efficient. I assume you're this >>18085327 too.

Baka.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086300
Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086300
>WHICH guide
The one which the fucking OP tells you to read before asking dumb questions which it contains the answers to.

>I assume you're this >>18085327 too.
Please don't accredit me with crap that tells people working on their listening comprehension skills early is a "waste of time".

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>>18086304
fugg it was in the resources page and I must've missed it.
Sorry ;_;

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>>18086334
starting with listening != listening comprehension early on

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>>18086334
I thought the complete guide was recently finished with Tae Kim overhauling his website, and that the DJT is not up-to-date (as others pointed out) to mention its status.

No need to be rude anon.

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>>18086364
Nope.

The overhaul is only because someone hacked the old one and put a bitcoin miner on it or something.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm more than halfway through RTK, but I'm more and more tempted to stop and finally start my own deck. Should I do it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086369
why are you doing rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086364
>I thought the complete guide was recently finished with Tae Kim overhauling his website
He didn't overhaul his website. It got hacked and had malware injected into it so he had to remake it.

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>>18086371
he doesn't want to learn japanese, just radicals

[Anonymous No.]

へいアノン
ゲームの連射機能があるコントローラーって英語でなんて言う？
日本語だと「連射機」とか「連射コン」って言うんだけど

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086371
Because I had awful retention for most vocab so I thought learning kanji meanings would help. It does but it's hard to follow my vocab deck on the side because of RTK's fucked ordering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086369
RTK is a fucking joke. Learning the readings (especially the 音読み) is much more important than the meaning.

If you've watched a lot of anime, which I assume you did, you can recognize more words than you realize. It's really common for me to find a "new" word and recall I've heard it in anime before which makes it easier to remember.
I tend to remember the meaning of words with their sound, so being able to sub-vocalize a word improves my ability to remember its meaning and improves my overall reading comprehension.
Once I switched to this approach it also made reading a much more pleasant experience, even if I didn't know what a word meant looking it up was a lot easier since I no longer had to rely on OCR tools.

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>>18086421
>Once I switched to this approach it also made reading a much more pleasant experience, even if I didn't know what a word meant looking it up was a lot easier since I no longer had to rely on OCR tools.
If you did RTK you would be easily able to draw any kanji you see to look it up!

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>>18086421
Alright, so basically you advise me to keep working on vocab and pretty much disregard meaning but focus on readings/words instead?
I mean that's what I had been doing before I started meaning study but I was really struggling. Like I had a "general idea" of what character should be used but if you gave me a list somewhat similar kanji and asked me which character should be used to make a certain word I would have been unable to tell which.

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>tfw finished a 300 page LN without any texthook tools in less than 5 days
feels good man

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086398
turboかな
よくわかんね

あと

パパパパッドでFPSｗｗｗｗｗｗ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086514
what LN

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086514
LN thread is dead

please give a brief review

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086471
Drawing them isn't the problem. I never explicitly learned the radicals, but whenever I learned a new kanji that looked complicated to me I just wrote it down a few times. After a about hundred of these you'll know the general radicals and stroke orders without much effort.

It's just that the only tool for looking up kanji by handwriting is the google translate one and it's generally much, much slower than just being able to type it into jisho with your IME.

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>>18071980
Happy holidays, have an op image.

[Anonymous No.]

what's the most popular japanese message board? 2chan is dead. they must have some place like 4chan where they all gather to discuss politics and video games and memes.

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>>18086604
2ch

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>>18086626
but it's so slow. how will i shitpost my way to fluency?

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>>18086476
No, I used this deck. It's basically a Wanikani rip, except it's free and doesn't force its shitty structure on you.
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1998142692
It consists of 3 subdecks, Radicals, Kanji and vocab. All of them are split up in 50 lessons.

The way I used it I put all new cards on "0" and reviews on max. Then I made a "custom study session" deck. eg. ( deck:"WaniKani::Kanji" is:new tag:"level1" )
I would do one lesson per week, split in 2 days. One day I would do the all the kanji of one lesson and a few days later the vocab. Of course don't forget to do your daily review cards

The kanji card will have all the readings on them but you only need to learn the one that's in bold (usually the onyomi).
It also has the meaning on it but the way I rated myself if I got the reading correct but the meaning wrong I would press either "good" or "hard", but only when I had the reading wrong I would press "again".

As for the Vocab, they will contain the kanji from the current and previous lessons and will usually have words with both readings. Here you will strengthen the reading you already know and learn the one you didn't. Though here I also weigh the meaning of the word just as important as the pronunciation.

This is basically the "learn the kanji with the vocab" method most of DJT seems to advocate for in a convenient package.
Admittedly I'm only on lesson 31 and I still need to do a lot of work on my grammar but compared to before when I did just the Core deck I'm seeing huge improvements in reading Japanese and retention.
Also, I completely ignored the radicals deck. I also don't really care much for mnemonics. Whether you use them is up to you.
The deck is also missing the lesson 23 kanji. But you can find them in the comments of the above link.

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>>18086407
>>Because I had awful retention for most vocab
That's just how it is when you use pre-made garbage with vocab which you have no memory attached to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086593
抜群

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>>18086604
>2chan
*futaba

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086546
ターボね　おｋ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086673
There is the full size image but it is probably too large.

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>>18082263
reading is 4-5x faster than listening. if you can read at speed, listening is easy

[Anonymous No.]

DJT is the biggest barrier to learning Japanese once you're past the pure beginner stage and can look up what you don't understand on Japanese Google. I wish I could stop coming here and wasting my time.

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>>18084042
is what he's saying even matching the translation

[Anonymous No.]

we need a new term for "reading." because hovering over every single word in a sentence and cobbling together a shitty english translation for it isn't reading in japanese. will this even teach someone the language?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18087028
that's not reading, that's self torture
consume something you can understand without hovering over every single word

[Anonymous No.]

>>18085823
I'm the lazy maintainer of the neocities/Google Doc/core6000 site. I just did a slipshod job at keeping them consistent.

[Anonymous No.]

Will reading get me a Japanese gf?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18087079
worked for me
she's a boy though

[Anonymous No.]

how to farm words in tae kim?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18087098
first you need to plant some etymologies
water lightly with water taken from the springs of Mount Loanword for best effect
protect the sproutlings from wild Memorydecays by fencing them in with aluminum mesh Readings
harvest when Acquired

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>>18087107
Beautiful.

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>>18085670
>without the confusing, over-complicated, technobabble explanations
None of this overly opinionated stuff was in the guide with the previous maintainer- why can't people leave their personal ego issues out of community based things like this? It doesn't help beginners at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18087146
those aren't opinions

[Anonymous No.]

>>18087146
You're the one with the personal ego problems dude. It's time to let go of DOJG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18087156
No, they are.

It's technical isn't an opinion. It's too technical is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18087163
wrong, go back to logic 101

[Anonymous No.]

>>18086783
Inb4 you go do N1 and then post here how the listening part was way more difficult than the rest of the test

[Anonymous No.]

成敗してくれるわ

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>this guide won't teach you Japanese
Why don't we make a guide to teach Japanese? Take the best grammar explanations from TK, 作日, DoJG, etc, use actual sentences from VNs and TV shows for example sentences, put it together with a timeline of good reads in a rough difficulty order, etc.

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>>18087869
Because nobody here actually knows Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

I need a bit of help on some basic lyrics of a song:
過ぎ去っていく日々に意味はない
なら明日の僕は僕じゃない
Is this correct:
"If there's no meaning in the days past
then I'm not the I of tomorrow"
thank you and merry christmas /djt/

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>>18087906
>the days past
*days that (will) pass

ていく -> physical/conceptual/temporal action going in a direction away from you (in this case, a temporal action going into the future)
てきた would be days passed (up to now)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18087906
also
>then I'm not the I of tomorrow
More like
>then the me of tomorrow is not me

[Anonymous No.]

>>18087901
Then I will learn Japanese and make a guide myself

[Anonymous No.]

>when a leech finally clicks in your memory

[Anonymous No.]

>>18072208
>>18072213
This

[Anonymous No.]

DJTでは穏やかに話してください

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088025
I feel like they end up sticking the best. It helps that I start writing it out after the 4th time failing the card.

[Anonymous No.]

時々に私の猫は私を月曜日に見つける。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088189
Is this sentence correct, djt? Did I make any mistakes or write it in a odd order?

[Anonymous No.]

>押してみなよ
>引っ込むから

I'm assuming the first sentence is 押して見ない but why did the character drop the い？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088189
Sometimes your cat can find you on Mondays?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088223
yes, but not in the sense of can, but "is able to"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088217
First sentence isn't 押して見ない, but most likely an abbreviation of 押して見なさい, so it's actually telling the other person to try it out. I don't get what's the problem with the second sentence is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088231
時々の月曜日に私の猫に見つかれる maybe

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088247
google says this means "Sometimes I can find my cat on Monday"

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>>18088245
Thanks.

I interpreted both sentences as being a reversal of the standard "[reason]から[result]" construction, together meaning,"You should push it. Because it will collapse."

instead of 引っ込むから押してみなよ "Since it will collapse, go ahead and push it."

If this is illegal please let me know.

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>>18088268
>時々の月曜日に私の猫に見つかれる
>on occasional Sundays, by my cat [I] can be found
If you're gonna trust Google translate then fuck off instead of asking if you wrote it right, you cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

waht's the point of learning radicals? I'm learning radicals liike sword, ancient arms, hook, etc yet finding the meaning of a kanji just from this is still pretty hard on most cases

I mean how the fuck am I supposed to know that a woman with a roof is cheap?

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>>18088310
You don't add the radicals together to get the meaning of a kanji, just as you don't add the kanji together to get the meaning of a word. You're training your brain to recognize the shapes so you don't spend months confusing 合う for 会う.

[Anonymous No.]

Has Futaba always been slow-moving or has its userbase declined over the years?

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>>18088310
RTK more or less does this, except kanji can also be used as primitives
Some stories write themselves, but it might be harder to make some others work. Don't try making stories with radicals alone, you'll be overwhelmed real fast. As >>18088342 says it's more abstract than this, for instance knowing that 氵might help your retention. Don't spend too much time studying radicals, but do make sure you know all the constituents of a kanji when you first encounter it.

[Anonymous No.]

Do I need a deck for katakana words too or can I go by intuition being that it's basically engrish?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088504
For most words it probably woudn't be necessary, there are some that are a little trickier and the meaning isn't immediately obvious like レジャー, and then there's also words that didn't come from english like アルバイト

In conclusion: do whatever the fuck you want

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>>18088621
what do these 2 words mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088629
jisho.org

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088633
why are there 2 words for dictionary?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088020
Enjoy being Sakubi 2.0, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

literally why are counters a thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088749
We have them in English too, just not as many.

>1 sheet of paper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088766
sheet is actually a word though, counters in japanese aren't

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088769
yes they are

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088766
But the difference is when you're counting paper you don't actually have to say "1 sheet of paper, 2 sheets of paper, etc" unlike counters

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088782
Is that a rule? When i hear people count in anime its usually like "ひ、ふ、み。。。” not "ひとつ、ふたつ、みっつ"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088831
anon they're characters not people

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088835
So real people go out of their way to make things harder on themselves?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18088831
That's just shortening the counting to do it faster

[Anonymous No.]

メリークリ /djt/
This year is the year we all finally graduate dekinai-ness

[Anonymous No.]

>>18089657
>less than a week left in the year

[Anonymous No.]

>>18089672
"This year" as in the next. Please don't play dumb. Also who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18089672
As someone supposedly learning Japanese you should be able to comprehend context in language.