DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1865

[Anonymous No.]

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17981285

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今日も一日がんばるみょん～

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Anyone able to make out the title of the book or name of the artist?

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Have any of you learnt korean or another language?
I was thinking of moving on from Japanese since my main issue is just word count now, I can read most stuff easily.
Do you guys know any good tools fot Korean?
I was just planning on using 'howtolearn Korean', it's like taekim. I was also thinking on memrise instead of Anki for now, since that website already has a memerise deck.

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I'm diligently studying my porn games every day!

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>tfw too tired from work to do any worthwhile studying

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>>17995179
That's when you watch anime

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>>17995097
>http://djtguide.neocities.org/
How come there's no core 10k?

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>>17995198
Last time I asked the rationale seemed to be that the 4000 extra words aren't well selected and you're better off mining

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>>17995139
魔法の森の仲間

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>>17995198
Because even Core2K is too big.

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How would you list multiple reasons followed by から?

抱かられて、「好きだ」と言われるから照れちゃった
or
抱かられて、「好きだ」と言われてから照れちゃった

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>>17995284
Sorry I meant for the first one
>抱かられて、「好きだ」と言われたから照れちゃった

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What should I search for VN guides?

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>>17995284
>>17995292
I assume you meant to say 抱かれて?
てから means something different. The first one does mean what you intend it to, but I would just say 抱かれて、「好きだ」と言われて照れちゃった.
>>17995294
攻略

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>>17995299
Ah, I thought that was the proper search term, but I got overwhelmed looking at the results and came back here. Thanks, anon.

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>>17995299
okay thanks

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Why the 人 after 六?

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>>17995377
Lots of things have special counters. 人 is the counter for people

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>>17995386
So even though you put children before that you still specify it's 6 "people" instead of just 6? Thanks!

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>>17995400
Yeah, counters are the most bullshit part of this language. Even kanji is ok, counters are just stupid.

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>>17995400
Japanese has different counters for fucking everything and it's honestly one of the more annoying parts of learning the language. That and its number system in general.

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>>17995400
You will get so used to it that you forget it's even a thing.

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what does djt think of mojipittan?

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Hey DJT i'm reading my first untranslated VN while going through Tae Kim and it's pretty rough so far , should I mine every single word I don't understand or should I have a limit on how many words I should mine per session

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>>17995439
Every word is important, but you want to make sure you're learning the most frequent words first to sort of optimize your vocabulary acquisition. Learn a word if you see it twice or more after a while. I don't mean see a word in one sentence and then in the one right after it, but you'll get a good feel of what you need to learn. The more common words you learn the more they will be reinforced when reading

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>>17995438
fun production practice but contains a ton of uncommon words that I wouldn't recommend going out of your way to learn

[polite sage because bloggy No.]

>Unable to study Japanese in Uni due to my -unrelated- degree restrictions, was super busy at the time
>Think I’ll just do it after Uni, end up picking up an internship which led to a full-time job
>Even though I had spare time after work I never put in the effort to study Japanese even though I really wanted to. End up studying on and off, get nowhere.
>Save up a bit of money over 3 years
>Think about either applying for a language school in Tokyo or try my luck with getting into the JET program. I wanted to do the whole “Let’s Japan!” thing
>Manage to land JET, placed in Tokyo
>5 months pass in JET, still spend every night drinking alone, intense shitposting or just wasting time. Once again, gotten nowhere.
>Wake up everyday feeling groggy thanks to all the drinking, can't study like that
>Even when I have spare time deskwarming, I still can’t bring myself to study
I can’t learn Japanese.
I will never learn Japanese.
I am dumb.

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>>17995493
subscribed

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おはようおにいちゃん

ひゃっきんって

えいごでなんていえばつうじるの

ダイソー？

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ぐーぐるせんせいにきいたら

すていつでは

>$1 store

って書けっていうんだけど

あ・だらーすとあ？わんだらーすとあ？

なんてよべばつうじる？

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>>17995471
It's going really slow because I have to look up the meaning of 90% of the words in every single sentence so I thought adding all of them would help out more but i'll take your advice anon

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>>17995540
>>17995546
読みづれーよ漢字書けよタコ

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>>17995546
>あ・だらーすとあ？わんだらーすとあ？
最後の’す’必要はない
ここは'two buck shop'もあるよ
２００えんぐらいけど

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I thought manga that has furigana was supposed to be easy
I'm 20 pages in オールユーニードイズキル and so far I haven't figured a single complex or compound sentence correctly
Guess I took "easy" way too literally

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>>17995557
If you can only understand 10% of each sentence then you might be better off reading something easier desu... but then again if you're just starting the VN the beginnings of books etc. usually have a lot of vocab and writing styles of the particular author that you need to get used to so idk. Just make sure it doesn't feel like a chore because reading books should be enjoyable.

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>>17995563
one dollar storeでいいの？

ぶっく・・・ぶっくぶく？

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>>17995577
I'm reading Steins;Gate currently for my first Nihongo VN because i'm very familiar with the story and i heard it's not too difficult but if it gets too unbearable I might just take it down a notch and read はなひら or some other easy moege

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>>17995557
What do you mean look up? Just install OCR like kanjimoto, though I guess it won't help much with memes

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hello djt, is there a place where for locals to share magazine manga scans? I'm looking a manga chapter from yesterday's bessatsu young champion.

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Does anyone have Shin Kanzen Master N3's Reading Comprehension? Can only find Grammar and Listening.
Thanks.

>>17995678
Do you have the magazine and you want to share, or are you looking for the scan? In any case, Nyaa should be the go-to place for that.

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What are some good VNs without H-scenes? I'm doing the nofap challenge so porn is forbidden.

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>>17995493
Stop drinking.

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>>17995693
https://vndb.org/v/all?q=;fil=tagspoil-2.tag_inc-235.olang-ja;rfil=;o=d;s=pop

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>>17995690
I'm looking for the scan. Too bad nyaa doesn't have it..

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Are there any plot manga which make for easy reading?

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>>17995693
http://erogamescape.dyndns.org/~ap2/ero/toukei_kaiseki/toukei_median.php?average=t&erogame=f&coterie=null

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>>17995721
惡の華

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>>17995377
Look up counters in a grammar guide.

obligatory >MAC

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>>17995693
Do it WITH the porn scenes m8. Use that strong urge and rework into something productive.

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>>17995607
>steins;gate
All those incomprehensible 2ch memes are gonna fuck you up, man.

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>>17995721
ぷろっとまんがってなに？

すごいかんたんだけどたいくつなのと

ちょいむずだけどたのしいのと

どっちがいい？

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>>17995693
Fata Morgana, Symphonic Rain.

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>>17995607
>はなひら
Way to kill your motivation desu.
Unless you really like moege.
Just find a VN that you would really like to read. This way, you will have the motivation to push through even when things turn difficult.

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>>17995726
I already read the translated version.

>>17995773
plot manga = https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/空気系 <- これの逆

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>>17995812
だらだらよめないまんがのことをいうのかな

まず

とがし？

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>>17995812
>I already read the translated version.
Even better, it'll be easier to follow along because you know what's going on.

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>>17995843
That wouldn't be good for applying grammar, would it? Since you might remember what was said in the scene

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I'm done with RTK vol. 1! It was a nice ride and it mostly all went smoothly, and it took ~2,5 month.

Tomorrow I start with the real Japanese, see ya.

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stupid question, i'm new to this nihonese gaem
I never got what the の's near the それ、これ、あれ's of the world meant. I know that の is a nominalizer but either im retarded, because i see them being used almost interchangeably
pls no bully

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>>17995883
read tae kim

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>>17995883
おおとものまんがに

そっくりだね

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About how much Kanji/vocabulary do I need to know to play an MMORPG and not be completely lost all the time?

I pretty much am just starting to learn to count but know hiragana/katakana and I can half blindly navigate around since a lot of stuff in games are in katakana

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>>17995903
as long as your vision doesn't suck and you can match pictographs I doubt you'll have issues

even for foreign MMOs there's usually an english community of gaijin fumbling through it, go ask them if you ever get stuck

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>>17995883
これの＝この
それの＝その
あれの＝あの

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>>17995921
ｔｈｘ

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>>17995914
The game I want to play has a Korean version I used to play 10 years ago. I know Korean. I want to play the Japanese version to get better at Japanese. However there's no English community for the game AT ALL. Not anymore at least. I wonder if I can even play because I have an American IP.

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>>17995923
korean grammar is supposed to be really similar to japanese grammar, so there's one thing you don't have to worry about

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>>17995922
A TON of Japanese slang works like that, by the way. Words get mushed together, particles get dropped, あい might be written え (ex. じゃない→じゃねえ）that sort of thing. Start reading and you'll be exposed to this pretty fast.

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If I wanted to ask "Which house is Anon-sans house" how would I word that? アノンさんのうちはどのうちですか？ I feel like I got some wording wrong

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>>17995923
>I want to play the Japanese version to get better at Japanese
spoiler warning: you're not going to learn much

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>>17995929
Yeah, I lucked out in that regard. Although the thing about Korean grammar is that it's all over the place and 90% of the time you can just switch words around and it'll still make sense.

>>17995936
Well, I'm sure it'll still be good to interact with nips and at least pick up SOME Kanji while having fun at the same time.

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スーパーのおじちゃんが

かつぜつわるくてわるくて

なにいってるのか

さっぱりわからなかった

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>>17995941
be sure to mention that you know korean, they love that

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>>17995967
I'm not sure if this is sarcasm...

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>>17995877
about how many a day did you do? i'm doing 25 a day keyword to kanji and i'm at 250 feeling good but i'm also starting it at an intermediate state. i heard some people just cram the book and let what sticks stick and continually srs the stuff that's difficult

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I came across とやら and after looking up in both TK and DoJG, i only got results for やら, which states that やらYやら is the required formation rule, while とやら in the phrase i read stood in it's own.
Is とやら a contraction of やらYやら?

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>>17995985
I don't know the context of what you're asking about, but you may be thinking harder than you need to.

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>>17995985
やらしいとはかんけいがないよ

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>>17995782
Does it get better anon? cuz right now i have to look up almost every word in a sentence desu, i just thought it would be better to read something easier albeit not very good if i'm struggling with this

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>>17996028
Are you using a text hooker? Did you know that you can copy paste entire sentences into jisho, and then click on each word in order to pop up a definition?

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>>17996023
I was actually confused because it gave me the same meaning as やら

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>>17996028
The game never gets better, no. You probably will get better but like that other anon said, Hanahira is a good way to kill your motivation. Play something good, even if you'll struggle with it more. It's worth it.

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>>17996033
Yeah i'm using ITHVN but I didn't know you could do that with Jisho, that's certainly helpful
I'll keep pushing and hopefully everything will start to click at some point.
ありがと

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>>17996025
激寒

そういうのいいから

[Anonymous No.]

I learned Japanese to read a man arguing with a porn DVD. This is what it's all about. Worth.

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スーパーのおじちゃんは

なにいっているのかわからなかったけど

キャベツとにんじんかってきた

やさいいためつくるよ

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>>17995935
Instead of どのうひ you can say どれ (=which)

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>>17996149
Oops i mistyped どのうち

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かんたんな

にほんごの

ききとりは

むずかしいの？

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>>17995410
Particularly the more esoteric ones, yeah. Like, I get hat you need a counter for 'persons' versus 'things' or whatever. But distinguishing between 'small, round objects' and 'long, cylindrical objects' is kinda dumb.

Thankfully the common ones you'll learn easily and forget they're even there, whereas the uncommon ones are just that, uncommon and easy to figure out what they mean since they'll come right after a number anyways. We have bullshit counters in English too, anyways, for all sorts of extremely specific things, like 'a murder of crows' or 'a pride of lions'.

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I am trying to start playing FGO in Japanese, but found the language to be a bit too difficult for me. Is there any script that I can find online (so that I don't have to write the text manually when looking up the meaning?)

I can only find this:
https://www.dopr.net/fategrandorderdb/%E5%89%8D%E7%B7%A8%E3%80%80%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B0

and another one on github, which is pretty hard to read.

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>>17996228
forgot to mention that the link I provided only have partial scripts in it (and a bit outdated). I'm looking for a more completed one, if there is any.

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あのんの愛情がためされるとき

愛情もまたあのんをためしているのだ

おなかすいた

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>>17996222
>We have bullshit counters in English too, anyways, for all sorts of extremely specific things, like 'a murder of crows' or 'a pride of lions'.
They are not counters, they're called nouns of assembly.

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よめ

"め"に アクセントを おくと 嫁
"よ"に アクセントを おくと 夜目/読め

きをつけてね

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嫁じゃなくて妻です

嫁はおかしい

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>>17996366
this is such a better term than counters. thank you.

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>>17996410
they're two different things

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What's your favorite anime, /jp/?

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>>17996444
Completely and 100% honestly with no sarcasm or memes at all, Evangelion and it isn't even close.

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>>17996444
yozakura quartet, excluding the nomad piece of shit

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>>17996444
sora no woto

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>>17995577
Not him but i'm also a beginner. Sometimes i'll have sentences where I understand basically everything apart from grammar, usually most sentences are around 30-60% understanding, and ill occasionally have a 0% sentence. Does this mean the novel is too hard for me, or just the right level?

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>>17996444
Maison Ikkoku.

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>>17996444
The Big-O

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>>17996444
LotGH

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What do you listen to while studying?

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>>17995176
I want to read this but I don't want to drop the progress I've made reading other stuff.

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Morning bros. Just doing my Tae Kim/Core 2k slides while drinking コーヒー。

Hope everyone has a nice day.

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I studied for 3 hours a day, every single day, for three months, then was in a car crash and in a full body cast for the next 3 months. Should I start my anki over? It's totally fucked now. I was around 800 words in.

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>>17996512
Start over and and mark everything you know as easy. You'll get your old deck back eventually.

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>>17996512
Disable new cards and do 200 words a day. Much faster.

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>>17996512
No, just go through all the reviews. If you remember the word that's good if you don't then you don't. From there you should decide whether you need to start over depending on if you have a really low percentage of correct answers.

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>>17996483
I would say 70% is a good amount where you'll be getting the general idea of what's happening in the plot and how everything relates more or less but you won't understand /exactly/ what everyone is saying. They say 90-95% percent comprehension is the necessary amount but we'd be studying forever before reaching that point so you need to decide at some point to just dive into stuff. The important part is that you're enjoying what you're doing... And yeah I can relate, sometimes I know 100% of the words meanings in a sentence but cannot tell what the character is trying to express. You can stare at it for a long time and maybe it will click, but sometimes it's better to just move on and maybe the context of the next couple pages will clear up what's happening

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i get:
鵺邪　（ぬえよこしま）
Seems to mean "evil chimera"

fairly certain im wrong. could be a parody of two touhou names or someting?

[Anonymous No.]

How many new slides do you do for Anki? I find it hard to learn 10 new words per day since it's not like I use all of them in sentences with my JP friends (I find it hard to remember stuff I don't use or read). Thinking of dialing it down to 5.

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>>17996586
Whatever you do, don't go below 5. 5 is considered life support rate.

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>>17996592
I guess it's weird for me because it's not the way I learned English... I'll go down to 7 and see how it goes.

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>>17996596
I think it depends on where you are in your overall progress. If you're learning the days of the week etc. it's better to go faster so you can start understanding things sooner. If you're at an advanced level and learning the names of obscure Okinawan flowers or some shit, there's no rush

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>>17996586
I tried to do 20 and burned out really fast, to the point that I skipped adding new cards every day. In the end, I would've learned faster if I had just stuck with 10 per day.
That having been said, if you're just starting out, acquiring vocab is difficult. But the more you learn, the better you'll become at recognizing words and the easier it'll get to remember new and old alike. Just remember that in terms of instant gratification, Japanese is about as low as it gets. Just remind yourself that you're playing the long game.

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>>17996505
its alright, but it creeped me out at first since they've animated the characters so they blink at you
but they do unnaturally too often

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>>17996512
>3 hours a day
>3 months
>800 words
Assuming this is Core, were you just going really slow? At 4 months I was nearly at 2k

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>>17995978
well they are just wasting time, better not do it at all than half-ass it, you could cram actually vocab in that time
initially I went 15/day for a very long time, then I was incrementing the number by 5 up to 30 in the last week of learning
so it was 15-25 from 1 to 1500

I had bare minimum of say 20 kanji to do, but if I felt like the next ones were very easy or just felt like it I would put in more

Doing 35 kanji a day in the very last days made me think how fast i've been done with RTK if I went like that from day 1, but then I know I wouldn't be able to finish it with such pace. I'm glad I went humbly with 15/day when many people said to speed it up, that humblesness gave me an ability to add more within sensible limits. If someone is COMFORTABLE with 30 or 50 a day then go for it, but don't lie to yourself, because life will validate you.

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>>17995877
Did you do it via print or? How'd you read it?

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>>17996449
>>17996444
Yep for me it's also Eva when it comes to series. Currently the only one I have as a 10 on MAL, next to a couple anime films.

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>>17996764
in PDF of course
way easier to copy the kanji off of the PDF file than to look for them somewhere else

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>>17996444
Amagi Brilliant Park (srs)

[Anonymous No.]

俺は3日くらい以来に何も読まなかった。

今度は読まなきゃかなと思うけど

もっとｄａｒｋｅｓｔ　ｄｕｎｇｅｏｎをやりたい

>>17996444
当たり前でしょう

俺のワイフにいるなアニメ

[Anonymous No.]

http://ranpara365.com/talent/takedatetuyakanji/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17997212
すみません
君のワイフは存在しない

[Anonymous No.]

Viz translated 前支え as pushups, but it's a plank, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17997277
プレブ

redditに戻れ

[Anonymous No.]

はーい値のないクズ点呼時間でーす
まず、僕

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw have a B in my Japanese 101 course
Does this make me stupid, /jp/?

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>>17997377
B for Bery Good.

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>>17997377
Have fun being in 3 years where you can be in 2 months with self-study

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>>17997399
but Japanese class is fun

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>>17997399
more realistically speaking 6-8 months unless you neet it 24 hours a day

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>>17997212
いや間違った

たった今気づいた

「俺のワイフにいるなアニメ」が不正解

「俺のワイフがいるなアニメ」と言いべきでしょう？

[Anonymous No.]

Does anybody have a stream or app to allow me to watch Japanese broadcast TV 24/7? I want to try some AJATT lite or something like that.

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>>17997414
正しい解答は
>俺のワイフにいるアニメ

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>>17997484
いや、俺も間違った。。。
>俺のワイフがいるアニメ
はやっぱり正しいと思う

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>>17997448
https://pastebin.com/BAEgzZHG

[Anonymous No.]

how to get rid of chink shit entirely when using google

[Anonymous No.]

>>17997585
&hl=ja

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>>17997585
By becoming smart.

[Anonymous No.]

If I want to flirt with a JP girl what do I say? No trolls pls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17995198
There is, linked in the CoR.

>>17995262
Go away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17997642
manko wo dashite, denaito koroshite yaru

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>>17995903

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>>17997580
Am I doing something wrong because not one of these actually plays?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17997601
ok nigger

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>>17997661
maybe shes into that

[Anonymous No.]

>>17997662
assumed known words 150k? this doesn't make any sense, a fluent speaker of any language knows less than a third that many

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>>17997667
Someone posted these links a few weeks ago. On the first day, the 192.whatever streams worked for me, but since then they have never worked again. The 50.whatever streams didn't work for me on the first day, but started working after that for about a week, but since then stopped working again and haven't worked since.

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>>17997690
They're names.

[Anonymous No.]

仕事をします。

：（

[Anonymous No.]

>>17997723
行かなきゃいけないですね。

[Anonymous No.]

勤労のただの概念でむかつくわ
仕事、勉強、この世の中にはその2つよりもっと最悪なもんあらへんぞ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17997749
違うよ。「もっと最悪なもん」がありますよ。

その名は…関西弁。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17997765
またお前か
まっ、関西弁が悪なら俺は悪魔なんやな

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>>17997691
>>17997691
Damn, glad it's not just me but that's disappointing to say the least. We need to get one of ourguys inside to smuggle out a secret 24/7 stream of whatever he's watching for us.

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>>17997448
>>17997691
>>17997835
What about http://mov3.co/

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>>17997844
None of the top links seem to be working but the Main links do, thanks, I'll check it out.

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>>17997667
>>17997691
These should work (in VLC or whatever):
https://pastebin.com/9DPK2TWj

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>>17997857
You have to allow Flash manually for the top links to work

[Anonymous No.]

>二の腕

[Anonymous No.]

爽

[Anonymous No.]

>>17997792
もんげー怒っとるがｗｗｗｗ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17997867
These work. Thanks メート.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there anything fun but relatively easy to read which has a lot of political and military vocab in it?

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>>17998210
怒ってへんけど？今日ちょいと気分悪いので怒った訳でも怒りをよく表せへんわ...
明日しばいてやるかなにか、ごめんね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998241
群青の空を越えて

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998258
That's listed on pic related as being going on toward Dies Irae and Muramasa tier difficulty.

[Anonymous No.]

There are no flipped cards(vocab-translation/audio at front and expression on the back) in the 10k optimized deck. Should I create them or are they unnecessary?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998274
That pic is complete nonsense and is made by someone who hasn't played those games. Anyways, saying "easy" but "lot of political and military vocab" is an oxymoron. If you can handle the vocab there isn't anything special in it other than the fact that the author uses 判る instead of 分かる.

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>>17998291
The person who made that image actually did play all those games. And shittons more.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't suppose anyone can translate?:

メガネ（千葉繁さん）をイメージして一読を。。

「何という味気ない朝食だ。。
補習授業さえなければ今頃旅の空の下、誰憚ることなく川の水を汲んでの一杯のカフェ。。
傷つき疲れた戦士の仮初の休息であったものを。。
然るに！
塩鮭に生卵、茄子のおしんこにインスタント味噌汁
そして、、冷や飯！！
こおおれは、難しい！！
普通主食であるメシを中心に漬物・味噌汁等の前座をこなし
その日の大物であるおかずとのドラマティックな一本勝負へと
なだれ込んでいくもんだが今日の対戦相手は手強い。。
全員がまぁぁぁ・・・ショッッパイ！！！
これをメシだけで迎え撃つのは、非常ううに無理がある。。
先ず、塩鮭に付いている千切りキャベツを味方に抱き込まなければならん。
がっ、しかし、千切りキャベツだけでは戦力としては心もとない。。
ここは一番！
お茶の手助けも借りねばならぬ。。。！
・そ・れでも不安は残る。。。
メシに千切りキャベツとお茶を巻き込んだまではよかった。。
正規軍としての一様の陣容は整ったと言えよう。
しかし不気味な存在が或る。。そう、
それこそ俺が直面している難問なのだ。。。
な・ま・たまご。。！
んかぁぁ、メシにかけるには醤油を加えねならん、しかし
醤油を加えてメシと混然一体となった様はもはやメシとしての
プライドは失われていよう。。
んがしかし！
生卵の本来持っている千同の体系を壊さずそのまま飲み干すほど
おれはヘルシー論者じゃない！！
そう。。。難問だよぅ。。。。。これは。。。。。」
「うる星やつら」押井節X千葉繁-～或る朝の風景メガネの独白～より抜粋

やっぱり「うる星やつら」は、前半期の押井時代が最高です。常に世俗的な物事にアンチテーゼを盛り込み、ある意味
原作以上の「うる星」に仕上げている。高橋先生もアニメ版「うる星」は、押井守の「うる星」であると公認している程です。
失礼な言い草ではあるが、アニメ版を見なければここまで「うる星やつら」という作品にリスペクしなかったろうなと思う次第であります。合掌。。。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998299
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998298
Nah you haven't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998301
I didn't make that image.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998299
tl;dr: they fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998299
Learning thread.
>>>/wsr/

[Anonymous No.]

Sometimes I feel like I understand everything I am reading and at other times I feel like I am just fooling myself and I have no genuine understanding of anything. It's so frustrating, I don't even know anymore if I am progressing or not. Almost 11 months in and I have no idea what I am doing anymore quite honestly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998421
I'm pretty much in the exact same situation.
I tell myself to just bear with it since learning a whole new language takes ages.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone read any of the following? If so, how would you rate their difficulty?

Claymore
さんかれあ
神のみぞ知るセカイ
るろうに剣心
山田くんと7人の魔女
金色のガッシュ!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998453
Japanese/10

[Anonymous No.]

今からあなたを脅迫します
奥様は、取り扱い注意

Best dorama this season, if you want some listening practice.
Bonus: the first one features the イケメン in pic related.

[Anonymous No.]

Now that firefox got raped and all the miners I look up no longer work, are there any alternatives?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998598
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998598
Earlier version of Firefox works just fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998598
I always mined by hand, it takes like a couple seconds per word.
What's the big deal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998637
I mine by hand too, but a few seconds times 数万 words ends up being a few days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998637
nothing, just for convenience's sake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998598
>Read the guide before asking questions.

>>17998637
Audio. Speed.

I do fill in the meaning field manually though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998697
>Audio.
How frequently do you mine words that have audio available? Or do you accept TTS audio? I haven't bothered with audio, but I assumed it would be difficult to find quality audio beyond what is in core (which I do not know the quality of).
Regardless, I think it's fine as long as you're editing it, but that does seem to reduce the benefit over manual work.
Personally, I build up a TSV file of mined words and every morning I copy the top x words into a separate file and import it. I don't like Anki's browser for editing purposes, so this makes it more convenient for me to go through 50 or so words at a time, shortening definitions and checking for alternate readings and pitch accent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998637
words, automatic
dick, manual
more time for dick is a big deal

[Anonymous No.]

do nihonjin zoom their monitors to like 150% or something? a lot of times for small characters on facebook or something it's just a blob on the screen even when i know them

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998910
You know where the door is, kindly see yourself out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998910
They only use their phones for sns and the text in those apps is much easier to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998926
thanks for the (You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998241
the news

[Anonymous No.]

>going to hit 10,000 in my mine before knowing 1000 kanji
My goal was 20,000/2000 so I'm on pace for that, but I figured the mining would grow exponentially. I'm going to end up with like 50,000 by the time I get to 2000 kanji aren't I?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999052
What are you on about? Even core has more Kanji than that. I'm at 2025 Kanji at about 5300 cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998910
Why do you think they are always squinting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999052
How is it even possible to screw up this badly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999078
I'm going through the Joyo. I don't mine a word until I've learned the kanji, so right now I have about 10,000 words made up of only Kyoiku kanji (and kana).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999112
And how are you going through them? Obviously you are doing something not quite right here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999034
>fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998800
Most of the words I mine have audio available.

>Or do you accept TTS audio?
Absolutely not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999121
I learn two new kanji everyday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999202
How do you "learn" a Kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999206
Write it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999255
So you write two Kanji a day?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17997867
Is there a way to get these to stop freezing every 10-15 seconds?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999257
Two new ones plus whatever else is due in anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999282
That's pretty pathetic dude. I did 32 (yes, drawing) when I learned Kanji. You are holding yourself back for no reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999112
It seems you've noticed that this approach is supremely fucking silly, so why are you plowing forward with it? You're gonna have 20,000 cards, when you should be able to read shit without a dictionary, and still be a beginner who can only read kanji on a bureaucratic list that is barely relevant to real world kanji usage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999202
Why aren't you putting more focus into kanji to get through 常用? Two a day is an okay pace to get the remaining 1000 or so that matter after that.
Maybe this is why people push for kanji in isolation, because some can't help themselves to rush into vocab. How is 3 years for 常用 not completely unacceptable to you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999282
>2 kanji a day
>2136/2 ~ 1000 days ~ 3 years
step up your game dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>17995139
Those are some nice bosoms.
She has a good reference to work with

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999285
How many times were you writing down each Kanji if you were doing 32 new ones each day plus the reviews?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999293
My game is not anki. I spend most of my time on radio, tv, and videos. The slow flow of new kanji let's me pick up new words without messing up the flow of the things I listen to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999304
I filled one line in my notebook. Then I unsuspended them all and reviewed them together with my old cards. I find it stuck rather well and I never got too many reviews thanks to a relatively high retention. It certainly never got to anything that isn't manageable.

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>>17999298
Makes me wonder if they sit there naked surrounded by mirrors while drawing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999336
so I take it you only wrote each one down the one time, and not again for review?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999354
>not again for review
What? What are you on about?
I am obviously doing writing reviews. Why would I not write it again for reviews? I do review drawing digitally though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999327
10k vocab cards before 1k anki seems to communicate otherwise. That sounds very inflated. Are you creating cards for obvious compounds?
I guess you did imply you've been doing this for nearly 500 days. Your priorities confuse me. You do know that kanji isn't over after jouyou right? Going to be adding kanji cards for 3-4 more years.

[Anonymous No.]

I knew Furigana Inserter for firefox is a resource hog, wanted to reinstall it but...

>We're sorry, but we can't find what you're looking for.

any alternatives without resorting to using google chrome ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999403
You should stop asking for it. It's obviously something you shouldn't be using.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999406
>obviously

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999421
What's not obvious? You look at the furigana before the kanji, if you look at the kanji at all. This is bad. Solidifying knowledge comes a slight struggle to recall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999359
Well that just seemed like a shitload of writing every single day to me.

>I do review drawing digitally though.
How?

[Anonymous No.]

むずかしいと思った新しい漢字
>The new kanji that I found hard

is this correct?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999483
>How?
A drawing pad and Photoshop.

You probably think it's a lot because you do so few. I started doing 10, my retention was absolutely horrible. I did 20, it slightly improved. I did 32 and it jumped above 90% consistently. You are doing yourself a disservice by learning less.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999494
Not that anon, but I just "draw" kanji whenever they pop up in anki. And when I say "draw," I mean I just do the motions with no pen in my hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999492
Do you no longer think it's difficult?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999574
AKA not drawing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999494
Different anon here and I haven't been going very long, but do you think physically writing makes a big difference? My routine has been to write each new kanji for the day about four times physically, and then on my reviews I go through the strokes in my head before flipping the card. Seems to be working fine so far, but I'm interested in others' experiences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17998453
Anyone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999492
Why not 知らなかった複雑な漢字

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>>17999586
Yes. I honestly doubt you are getting most Kanji correct with that method and that it sticks properly. By actually drawing it you can not only check yourself better, you are also doing some real recall. I mean you honestly want to tell me you can just draw these in your head and have no need to second check? 鬱、纏、襖、I mean there are hundreds of Kanjis that are complicated like that. The head drawing seems like a huge joke. Just get the cheapest drawing pad you can find if you don't want to waste paper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999579
Maybe not, but my retention went up about ten percent after I started doing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17996505

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999596
thinking something is hard and not knowing it are different things though

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999607
タンスを調べましょう

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999579
Psychfag here, it still increases retention rate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999579
what's wrong with tracing the shape with your finger? I do that for reviews

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999632
Psychology is pseudo-science.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999661
It's not, but it hasn't proved that drawing while doing flashcards improves flashcard retention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999661
just because you can't get indisputable results out of something doesn't mean the whole thing isn't scientific

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999664
not him, but anything that increases exposure time will do that
the drawing is incidental

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999668
Increasing exposure time can actually cause memory burnout, decreasing short term retention.

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>>17999586
>>17999645
only you know how honest you're being if you don't actually draw it

it's very easy to forget a dot in your head or during your finger wagging, see it and then go "yeah I knew that, I was just rushing"

If you're actually 100% honest and completely strict in your grading then good for you, but I've been writing kanji for over 2 years and even I catch myself passing cards that I would've failed on paper

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999672
Not him but I would argue that short term retention isn't important to a long term activity such as studying the most difficult language known to man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999677
Artificially low short term retention means unnecessarily high amounts of reviews means fewer new cards and less reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999661
Nice meme, I almost forgot I was in a thread for learning a language and not a thread to be a bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999667
Actually, it does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999664
Drawing uses more areas of your brain and makes more neural connections.
>I never read anything about that therefore there's no research on it.
I think instead of rejecting anything someone says in an attempt to help you, you should accept that they might know more than you about a subject and just accept the information as useful.

[Anonymous No.]

What would be the correct translation for "I wonder?" when used in this context?

>Person A: "MY COOKIES WERE STOLEN! WHO STOLE MY COOKIES?"
>Person B: "I wonder?" saying smugly with cookie crumbs in his beard.

What would be the Japanese thing to say for that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999729
Please learn how to differentiate good studies and bad studies. If you refuse, kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999736
さあ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999737
Holy shit you're edgy, I wonder who swindled you so hard that you don't accept information from others anymore.

>>17999736
さあ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999740
I've been studying memory since probably before you were born. You're obviously a random psychology student that talks way too fucking much for how little they actually know.

[Anonymous No.]

Need help with a sentence, what is this word?
「顔、くしゃってしたい」
Based on context, I think it means "I want to hit your face" or something like that, but I'm not sure. What is the くしゃってしたい part? What word does it come from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999743
no they're just some poser who assumed that RTK's introduction was scientifically accurate

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999743
I think you're confusing me with someone else. I also have a sneaking suspicion that you may be confusing yourself with someone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999748
>accept the information
>accept information from others
No, you're obviously the same person. Almost nobody talks like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999751
No, I mean I think you're confusing me with someone who you know the age of and whether or not they're still in school. I'm also going out on a limb and saying that it's impossible for you to have studied anything since before I was born because anyone older than me and capable of study on that level would not be such a child.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999756
Anon, I think you're retarded.
>I've been studying memory since probably before you were born.
>since probably before
>probably

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999761
Read >>17999756

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999765
Demographic
Age: 18-34

[Anonymous No.]

争え、もっと争え...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999729
>you should accept that they might know more than you
this is terrible advice. why don't you just cite your source instead of asking someone to Just Believe

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999729
>just accept the information as useful
You're asking him to do that without providing a shred of evidence to actually suggest that your information is useful and not just a load of bollocks.

There's no reason for him or anyone else to accept any of your assertions if you can't provide any proof of their veracity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999766
So you or he have been studying memory for 35 years, presumably making you around 45 or 50 at least, and you spend your time going to a language learning thread and going out of your way to try and debunk any help that uses information you disagree with? After studying any science for 35 years, what you took away from it is that you should deny an opposing theory outright. I don't believe you and I don't think anyone else should believe you, you're cancer.

>>17999778
Careful on that edge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999782
>Careful on that edge.
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999745
is this something you listened to or is it in print?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999783
You sure showed me!

[Anonymous No.]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+writing+help+you+remember

You're all cancer

[Anonymous No.]

Last year I learned some very basic Japanese (speaking/listening only) using some audio course that only taught the polite verb form.

I am back to learning JP using written resources like Tae Kim and Anki and man, casual verb form conjugations are annoying compared to polite form.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999782
I don't believe you and I don't think anyone else should believe you, you're cancer.

https://www.google.com/search?q=writing+neural+connections+site%3Aforum.koohii.com

Writing/drawing creating more neural connections than normal memorization is a narrative pushed by RTK cultists. It doesn't have a strong scientific backing. There are VERY few studies on how different memorization methods affect memory retention, and of those, there are exactly ZERO that test writing/drawing during flashcard reviews while controlling for time spent thinking about each card.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999804
that's funny because RTK tells you not to write the characters more than once for practice. the books stresses that you should be able to memorize the character just with a story

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999804
I literally never even used RTK or read his site. But congratulations, your autistic elitism has yet again driven away probably one of the people who's willing to give the most to others. No wonder you guys are talking about the same things you have been for the past thousand threads. If you were less autistic and just asked for evidence when I originally made the claim then I would have given you plenty but now I actually don't give a fuck if you succeed in your language endeavors or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999812
>your autistic elitism has yet again driven away probably one of the people who's willing to give the most to others
"Autistic elitists" driving away people with helpful attitudes is exactly what prevents this thread from becoming a cesspool of beginners leading other beginners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999814
Does it make you feel powerful?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999810

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999819
You're a beginner.

Insert badly photoshopped picture of Sakura with tons of unnecessary gray.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999800
Indeed. People often suggest that many textbooks and courses focus on polite to be safe and keep you from coming off rude. Natives don't give a shit if you do something wrong as a foreigner. They focus on polite because it's often easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999820
that is for the purpose of confirming that you remembered the character correctly. it's not for the purpose of strengthening the memory of how the character looks

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999831
doesn't matter, it tells you to write it when you review it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999834
fair enough. maybe i should listen to the sensei and write it out on paper instead of on my hand after all

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999814
You are a beginner though sakubi, or at least permanently bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999840
Don't lump me in with that bullshit. I've got nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999823
If you know a verb's dictionary form and polite positive form you can use that to remember whether it's godan/ichidan easily which could be another reason to focus on polite

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999814
It's a good thing people like you are keeping this thread full of high-quality discussion of expert-level nuance. This was definitely the first unsightly beginner discussion that has forced its way into our thread in quite some time. Bring back the walls of kana please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999845
Any other basic conjugation gives you the exact same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999848
Why did you respond to the same post three times?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999782
>Careful on that edge.
Asking you to provide evidence is edgy? What are you even on about?

You're just trying to wriggle your way out of having to do it because you can't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999852
Yeah so they pick the one you're most likely to use with a stranger. I don't like the system either because it makes it difficult to intuitively grasp conjugations when they're all first passed through the masu filter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999864
I'm pretty sure you're not going to not use the past tense or te form with a stranger, dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999859
Two posts insulted you, I simply highlighted the absurdity of your words, don't lump me in with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999804
>while controlling for time spent thinking about each card.
How do you control for that? Genuinely curious. It seems impossible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999878
>you
also
>Don't lump me in with that bullshit. I've got nothing to do with it.
>don't lump me in with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999880
You can at least try. Anki already measures how long individual reviews take. And to increase time spent, could make it so that the non-drawing subjects have extra tasks like verbal recital or being encouraged to play a mental game with the card before moving on from it. Then compare that to a third control group. It's not good enough to control for everything but if time is the confounding factor then it would be impossible to ignore when writing the study's results. None of the studies on this topic even try.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999881
You are genuinely retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999894
you wouldn't say that in response to such a simple post if you weren't invested in the conversation
in other words, if you weren't the samefagging idiot

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999881
A master detective is hot on the trail, proving undoubtedly that everyone who would respond negatively to him is in fact one being.
But I'm sure you're about to respond that you are in fact three separate posters crying in unison.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999904
>>/jp/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=don%27t+lump+me+in

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999898
I enjoy pointing out that you're a retarded poser and will continue to do so whenever possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999907
I think the guy calling you retarded may be onto something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999919
>>17999926
the chance of two unrelated people tenaciously arguing against someone that's pointing out obvious samefagging is exactly zero, dumbass

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999926
It's time to stop posting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999812
>I could give you evidence to back up my statements but I won't because you had the gall to question my omnipotence instead of just accepting every word out of my mouth as fact.
Fucking lol. Who do you think you're fooling?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999942
This.

[Anonymous No.]

I do not want to do my reps.

[Anonymous No.]

thinking about buying an old nintendo ds on the cheap and playing some japanese games but I don't know what's good. Looking for something text heavy but not too hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999946
Do your reps or you'll turn out like me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999946
Then dont

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999947
gyakuten saiban

also just emulate

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999950

You REALLY don't want to turn out like this guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999956
Yeah, seriously. You REALLY don't want to turn out like me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17999946
If you don't want to do your reps, but want to learn Japanese, figure out what the heart of the problem is and fix it. Also, it's been said many times before, but do reps first thing in the morning so that you don't waste hours stressing over it.

[Anonymous No.]

I take it this means I need the hook code, then?

[Anonymous No.]

Not writing your Kanji is out is just laziness, nothing more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000087
No, it means you downloaded a chinese translation on accident, and either your browser is receiving the clipboard with an incorrect encoding or the chinese translation fucked up the game's text encoding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000096
Not exercising and doing civil volunteer work every day is just laziness, nothing more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000098
Son of bitch. That explains the lack of kana in hindsight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000101
You're not wrong but not everyones goal is to be doing civil volunteer work. It's safe to assume that everyone here's goal is to learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000105
"Writing your Kanji" has nothing to do with learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000087
that is definitely chinese my man

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000113
>"Writing your Kanji" has nothing to do with learning Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

writing japanese is only useful for someone who wants/needs to write japanese

otherwise it's completely unnecessary

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000125
let alone kanji in isolation rather than passages in both vertical and horizontal direction

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000126
exactly

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000125
>learning a language half-assedly

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000150
writing kanji in isolation before fluency is exactly half-assed
you could be spending that time learning more words or doing more reading, therefore becoming fluent earlier, therefore being able to study using more of the time in your day earlier, therefore having your progress less impacted by learning writing later instead of early
writing kanji is meant to slow you down and force your brain to fully register every possible nuance of a particular kanji, and keep you from being stressed out over not learning it after two days, in return for putting in less actual effort
just plain half assing it

[Anonymous No.]

>oh, anon, you know Japanese? Awesome! Can you say something for me?
>n-no, I try not to force output and mainly focus on reading
>That's alright, write it out then
>h-heh, handwriting is a waste of time

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000160
>learn words
>can't write the word
no. you cannot say you know the word in that case. accept that japanese requires more work than other languages and apply yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

In order for you to TRULY comprehend a language you need to be able to produce it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000166
I'd just repeat a line from some porn and see if they caught it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000179
If you can't translate between every language you know including difficult concepts, you don't know any of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000171
writing kanji != writing word
don't try to argue about this shit until you know enough Japanese to understand what you're saying

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000179
production requires higher levels of comprehension in all cases

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000194
you should be able to write the kana and kanji rendering of the word. what's so hard about this??? why are japanese learners so lazy

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000205
Natives are even lazier then since they can't write for shit either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000205
there is quite literally zero reason to spend time to acquire a skill that you're never going to use instead of to aquire skills you need right now
you do not need to handwrite
do not force your bullshit time wasting obsession onto other people

[Anonymous No.]

>recognize 瞬間 100% of the time while reading before I bothered to mine it for anki
>still fail it in anki
I hate this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000179
>not true comprehension
you must be pretty tired with all that gatekeeping

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000125

I'm sure it helps with correct stroke order and remembering when you write it down repeatedly.

>>18000160
How about mastering kanji radicals first?

search by radicals help me track down unknown kanji on electronic kanji dictionary

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000230
you must be pretty tired of pretending to understand things

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000240
you don't know Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000166
writing out 風林火山 and explaining what it means is an easy parlor trick (凸凹 is fun too)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000166
>I learn Japanese for girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000166
yeah, production is a waste of time for people here that just want to consume
you can piss and moan all you like, that fact won't change

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000213
japanese people can write japanese. the idea that they can't is a meme. it's like saying "wow this american can't spell onomatopaeia guess i don't need to learn how to spell words correctly lol"

>>18000214
whatever man just don't say you know japanese cuz you don't

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000296
I know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000299
Prove it, handwrite me a letter in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000303
good joke oh wait you were serious etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000296
>japanese people can write japanese. the idea that they can't is a meme
the pass rate for kanken 2-kyu, which tests joyo kanji, is below 30%

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000310
直ちに消しなさい

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>>18000296
Your analogy is piss too since i can type in Japanese just fine. Ability to spell =/= writing kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000319
it's a perfectly fair analogy. you just suck at japanese

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>>18000299
sakubi, although you're right that writing is a poor use of time I'm going to have to step in here and point out that you do not, in fact, know Japanese, principally because you spend all of your time here pretending to know Japanese instead of learning it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000104
It's too late to turn back now, though. Do your Chinese reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000324
Perfect in your mind ignorant of the Japanese language

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000316
一文不通の恥さらしが

小学校から出直してきな

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000330
spelling = have to remembering the order to place letters, hyphens in and whether or not the word is capitalized

writing kanji = have to remember the order in which to write the compontents of the character

why is that not a fair comparison?

[Anonymous No.]

キッチン

https://youtu.be/mM3YP0xXXlQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000386
Notice how everyone is laughing at them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000386
at least the last guy got it right

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000386
how did he write those characters on the paper i thought no one could write kanji in japan wtf

[Anonymous No.]

if you can't write 魑魅魍魎 from memory you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000399
Most people who do individual kanji study can't write any words from memory, even if they can write all the kanji in them.

They only ever practice writing kanji when prompted by an English keyword. They never actually practice writing words from memory which involves not only knowing which kanji are used in a word but also their readings so you don't get the order of them fucked up/so you know where the kanji reading ends and the okurigana begins.

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>>18000356
Because you don't need to write Japanese characters by hand in order to use them
Remembering where the radicals are and how jukugo go together is a separate skill.

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>>18000432
if you know how to write the kanji used in the word and you know the word you should be able to write it. it's fine to write something out and notice something looks off and correct it (i do that in english sometimes) but you should be able to recognize if something is right or wrong after you write it out because your recognition skills will activate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000454
it's all important. take the english "stand down" you need to know the alphabet and how to spell "stand" and "down." then you need to know that it's "stand down" and not "down stand."

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>>18000436
I can type an essay in Japanese and be perfect grammatically without knowing how to write the kanji i used on paper. Meanwhile, spelling is an essential part of being grammatical in English.

I have Japanese friends who moved to the US at early ages but are native level anyway because they read and watch in Japanese shows and what not. They can't write kanji for shit, like learners here, because they never needed to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000461
meant to reply to >>18000436

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000461
That's exactly what i meant by mentioning jukugo. That's a skill that relates to using words properly rather than writing them on paper

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000477
会社 vs 社会
I don't need to know how to write either on paper to know when to use them

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000454
>if you know how to write the kanji used in the word and you know the word you should be able to write it.
Try thinking for a moment and you'll realise what a stupid statement this is.

The English alphabet has much more phonetic sense to it than kanji, and yet there are plenty of native speakers who struggle with spelling English words correctly. Even if they realise they're written a word wrong, that doesn't mean they know what exactly they've done wrong and what they should've done instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000399
>tfw I actually can

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>>18000487
>native speakers who struggle with spelling English words correctly
These are all American people who didn't go to school

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000487
yeah it's called people who don't read. people who read a lot know when words look right or wrong when they spell them out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000523
>people who read a lot know when words look right or wrong when they spell them out.
I already addressed this.

Knowing you spelled a word wrong is not the same thing as knowing how exactly you spelled a word wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000487
I wrote the word holiday the other day, and spent a few minutes thinking it would look better with two ls.

[Anonymous No.]

Do japanese anime BD's not come with JP subs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000529
i see what you mean. what i'm saying is you'll be able to notice where your mistake is and correct it based on your recollection of what it should look like. generally it's changing one or two letters like seperate and separate or concieve conceive. writing じゅくご is probably easier than english spelling just because kanji compounds are generally shorter and more visual

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000507
I always forget 魑 desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000537
why would they?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000585
The hard of hearing? Just about any media in the west has closed captioning available on disc

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000310
And how many people in America get good reading/writing SAT scores?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000588
障害者はバスに轢かれればいい

[Anonymous No.]

>Core 6k
>Only has 5999 cards

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000585
Pretty much all English media comes with English subtitles (and I usually use them despite being a native speaker because the sound mixing in movies and such is usually fucking atrocious so I can't hear what anyone is saying clearly).

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000619
端数処理

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000624
詐欺

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>>18000620
>(and I usually use them despite being a native speaker because the sound mixing in movies and such is usually fucking atrocious so I can't hear what anyone is saying clearly).

I don't want this to sound rude but I think you should visit a doctor

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

>>18000386
きっちんはつうじるよ

のんのんのん

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000689
Not him but I get what he's saying and I use subtitles too. Most films are mixed for theaters so unless you want to constantly adjust volume you'll have to deal with loud scenes being way too loud or quieter dialogue being way too quiet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000705
>>18000689
yeah movies being obnoxiously quiet occurs too often, its annoying as fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000705
>>18000708
oh ok

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000705
I use a loudness EQ in those cases to level it out

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000708
And actors mumbling their lines in gruff voices when playing tough guy/edgy characters.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to learn Japanese!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000775
私も！

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000775
I'm afraid it's not possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000775
no one has ever learned japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000620
I first noticed that with inception, god it was annoying
subs definitely cut out some of the mumbling but what helps the most for us is loudness EQ in win7

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000620
>>18000824
That reminds me of when I had to watch Slumdog Millionaire (a movie produced in India) as part of my English homework quite some time ago.
Had to enable subtitles because the accents they spoke with were ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000775
あたしももっとにほんごと

にほんをまなんでいきたいとおもいます

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000867
>あたし
あんたのboipussy見せろ

[Anonymous No.]

男マンコを持ったら僕か私を使ったはずやろ

[Anonymous No.]

/djt/はゲイですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000925
時々だ

[Anonymous No.]

how do you say "best girl" in runes? I used to use 一番 but after learning it as "The most" i feel like its wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000189
Translation is separate from comprehension though
Don't tell me you translate Japanese to English in your head while reading it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000987
あたらしいことばだけど

>おし

っていうのはどうかな

>いちおし

しゃべりことばでしかつかえないけど

かどがなくてつかいやすいとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

いきなりこんな調子コケんの？　ぶってんじゃん、チョー大物じゃん

what is 調子コケ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001048
調子に乗る

調子に乗ってる

このあたりのチンピラことばが

>調子コク

だとおもうよ

あいてをおどすことばだから

つかったらだめだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>マクる is a word
How can English even compete.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001112
there is no competition, that game is handily won

[Anonymous No.]

anytime you get mad at japanese words having multiple definitions, just think of crossing the bridge to meet the cross-eyed man whose quitte cross because he knows you've come to cross him off, and so you promptly beat him to death with a cross

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001135
At least English doesn't have a word as bad as 付く.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001142
Phrasal verbs.

[Anonymous No.]

Why would you want to learn Japanese in the fitst place?
I did at one point in the past. I reached a point where I could understand about 80-90% of your average seasonal non-sci-fi anime without subs.

And I can say that it was one of the worst decisions i've ever made. It almost made me drop anime as a whole. Though I guess that could be a positive for some people.
The gist of it is that once you audibly understand what MCkun is saying to big titty loli #76890 you suddenly become like 10x more self aware of how trash the shit you're watching is. When you rely on subs, there is a certain barrier that helps keep an aura of mystique and vagueness around the anime. Any cringy trash is more tolerable. You can make excuses that maybe the translation is shitty, that what the characters are saying is more profound than the english language can relay. The foreign language sounds more "cool" or "cute" in a way. Once you take that barrier of obfuscation away, something just clicks, shitty anime becomes even more shitty and shows that you may have found appealing before suddenly become a lot less interesting.

Maybe that's just my experience, but i've been actively avoiding practicing my skills since. It's difficult but I hope to eventually forget and rust away enough that most sentences sound like ching chong gibberish again. I prefer it that way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001183
it pisses me off when i don't know what they're talking about so i gotta learn

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001183
Because it's the only way I'll ever read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001183
sounds like horseshit to be honest

if it's true then it sucks to be you I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001183
Get a better taste in anime

[Anonymous No.]

Is ~70% an okay success rate? I'm quite strict, failing cards if I make slight reading mistakes even if I understand them and such (like saying ひるい for 広い for instance). But I've heard some shit about 80%-90% being optimal for progress. I do 20 new cards a day, but don't really wanna go further down.

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>>18001183
So please explain why native Japanese fans enjoy it so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001228
As long as your mature's are increasing, you're learning Japanese.
Though if it dropped down to like 60%, I'd be worried.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001183
it took learning japanese for you to realize that oppai loli harem trash was in fact trash?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001228
good job on being strict but "ひるい" is not a "slight" reading mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001186
>>18001198
>>18001218
>>18001220
>>18001232
>>18001234
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/165487828/#165489451

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>>18001183
I think it' pretty normal to eventually distance yourself from anime
first, when you start to understand japanese you have new possibilities that set the value of anime into perspective
second, you just get older in general
third, you probably have shit taste

personally I rather rewatch my favorites for the 100th time than some retarded shounen trash with replaceable-kun and only evil for the sake of it-villain

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>>18001236
fair. maybe like forgetting the っ would be a better example. if none of these seem slight then I'm doing the right thing anyway.

>>18001233
i'll keep that in mind. thanks

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>>18001228
70% is okay. i would get a little discouraged failing that many cards and probably reduce my workload until i can maintain at least 80%. and yeah like the other guy said ひるい isn't a slight mistake and you should mark something wrong if you don't get the kana reading right 100%

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001238
Even if it's just dumb pasta created to upset people, that might still be someone's genuine opinion or experience. Surely nobody would routinely repeat the same post purely to detect new learners?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001238
コピペ鑑定士 are a dying breed unfortunately

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001247
no one who gets to that level would even entertain the fantasy that it could somehow "rust away back to ching chong"

losing a learned language is about as likely as you waking up as the opposite gender

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001254
You can become rusty at a language not just in production but understanding as well. It's happened to me with my native language at least since I barely use it.

[Anonymous No.]

Where were you when everyone that argued against production practice was called sakubi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001270
i wished in was in a lovely coma

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001254
so... pretty likely? it's 2017 after all

[Anonymous No.]

why do people talk shit about jmdict/edict?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001295
because it has quality problems that you run into if you try to use it as an advanced learner of japanese

it also has a reputation of being used for word by word translation by people who know zero japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001295
now you've done it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001298
i usually use it in the cases where i can't understand the meaning of a japanese dictionary definition or the definition is really long like "volcano". i also like all the expressions they have translated on it. could you post some examples of the quality issues you're talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001315
篩管
1. sieve tube​

https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/94614/meaning/m0u/
植物の維管束の篩部を構成する主要素。葉で作られる同化物質を下へ流す通路で、細長い細胞が縦につながった管状の組織をなす。細胞の境の膜（篩板）に多数の小孔がある。ふるい管。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001330
is that not what a sieve tube is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001330
しかん

たけかんむりなんてかいたことないよ

師管でしょ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001375
You have to know that "sieve tube" is botanical jargon to be able to understand JMdict's definition. The term is deceptively like normal English. Definitions are supposed to be comprehensible.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it better to read Japanese dictionary translated with google translate or use Japanese>English dictionaries? If not, is there J>E dictionary with description of the word?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001380
any other examples? you just provided an entry showing that they correctly translated the word into english. i'm kinda paranoid about it myself when i hear people talk bad about it but i haven't seen anything alarming yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001183
Fluent in japanese here, you are full of trash.
Seems like you just realised your taste was trash and decided to drop anime entirely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001409
だからコピペだよボケ
英語読めないの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001407
no need for paranoia, its quality problems are almost entirely limited to things just like this

[Anonymous No.]

What's the deal w/ migi and hidari kanji radicals? Migi has the kuchi radical (I guess because you eat with your right hand?), but why's hidari got the takumi radical?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001503
Look at the stroke orders and be awed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001407
>>18001430
not him but opinions on these?

不労
1. unearned​
働かないこと。勤労をしないこと。

清祥
1. spirit; energy​
手紙文で、相手が健康で幸せに暮らしていることを喜ぶあいさつの語。

えっちらおっちら
1. with a great deal of effort; laboriously​
疲れたり重い物を担いだりして、たどたどしく苦しそうに歩くさま。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001505
I don't get it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001514
now look up the other one

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001516
oh what the fuck that's some pretty cheeky shit of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001402
>Japanese dictionary translated with google translate
why on earth
just use J->E until you can read enough Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001554
Ya know any that has good word description

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001584
is jisho frowned upon around here?

[Anonymous No.]

How can I translate this to Japanese:

James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001616
James nagara John shita shita shita shita shita shita shita shita shita shita shita no beta effecto sensei ni

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001270
Production practice is a waste of time for beginners, but that doesn't change the fact that sakubi is an obnoxious poser who discredits any opinion he attempts to defend. The kid needs to learn a little shame and stop pretending to be things he's not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001643
Congratulations on inventing a new boogeyman. Fuck off back to /int/ where people take delusional fucks like you seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001654
Nah, I'll keep calling you out here. Your posts are as obvious as the Australian.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001662
Your translation related work is bad and so is your social media presence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001662
Oh, boy, it's another episode of "an argumentative psycho who thinks he can identify posting styles joins the thread".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001664
>>18001665
Ah, the classic sakubi samefag. Will our friend dr. lowercase be joining us tonight?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001672
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001672
Yes, I'm sure that any number of people calling you out on your psychosis are actually the same person. No matter where it happens or how many times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001672
http://arch.b4k.co/jp/thread/17649093/#17651390

[Anonymous No.]

hallo Ich komme aus /int/ because some american invited us over

can anyone here even speak jp? kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001728
迎えなかった
帰れ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000537
It's inconsistent, most don't but there are a lot that do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000620
It is a reflection of western political correctness that all media must be accessible to people with disabilities.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000721
You might want to try using normalization instead of loudness

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001807
This is the one and only time I wish the japs were more PC. I would really enjoy having jap subs for everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000160
You fucking idiots spend more time in these threads telling people that writing is a waste of time than those who actually study kanji writing production. Yet after all your endless hours ruining these threads with arrogance and autism, you are no closer to learning Japanese while those you attempt to mock and slander have gained an invaluable skillset with realworld application.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001884
This is the sound of someone being really mad at someone disagreeing with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001884
>Yet after all your endless hours ruining these threads with arrogance and autism
This is you.

>an invaluable skillset with realworld application
Writing kanji but having crappy Japanese is not an "invaluable skillset" with "realworld application".

[Anonymous No.]

Nobody that I know with proficient Japanese, except two people who started by doing remixed AJATT for more than eight years without quitting, has started by doing isolated kanji writing practice. And I know a lot of people with proficient Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

What Japanese youtubers are you guys subscribed to

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001884
>with realworld application.
How often do you have to handwrite non-basic stuff in day to day life?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001914
dogen and abroad, none other

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001525
I've been looking at it but I still don't get it. explain pls

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001914
oh yeah, I also watched Rare Earth, but that was only japan-related for a short period of time

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001914
do japanese people use youtube that much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002360
Most of the Japanese content creators have already left niconico because they saw they could actually make money by doing the same shit on Youtube or Twitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002373
Don't forget that nico is basically hostile to viewers in comparison to youtube and twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001914
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI5qMix97T3tVZfxmHObDjA
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCue0AhOm8SARARIcT-0mE1w
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFNXjuJSaU6JkWOrFCXqyTw

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002379
nico sucks, they basically tell you get a prem account or fuck you
japanese websites in general are still pretty backwards, half of them look like from 2005 and often you have to pay for a lot of stuff that's really basic

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002099
You start the kanji for hidari with a left->right stroke on the upper bit. It's the opposite for migi.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone explain to me what is the わ particle for? The one used at the end of sentences, not は. Everything I've read about it is a little vague.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002705
説明できないわ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002705
どうかしら

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002708
>>18002721
みんな…ありがとう

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002705
it's mostly female speech, but men use it occasionally as well if they want to soften the tone of their sentence / make it more sensitive

[Anonymous No.]

>>17995097
tell me DJT how does it feel to watch animu without subs? is it worth the grind to mastering this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002705
俺も説明でけへんわ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002772
for anime alone no, but if you can do it more power to you for picking up a huge challenge just to do something insigificant, youll go far

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002772
>tell me DJT how does it feel to watch animu without subs?
pretty good

>>18002772
>is it worth the grind to mastering this?
I started this way and barely care about anime anymore, at least in comparison

[Anonymous No.]

>「ご飯をよそってきて食べなよ」
The きて here is just saying "come back" right?
>Go dish up rice (and come back) and eat."

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002772
It's nice to hear the subtleties in the dialogue rather than just reading it. Makes it feel more authentic.

[Anonymous No.]

I've got exams so got to cut down on anki time, Should I limit reviews or limit new cards?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002829
New cards

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002798
来る indicates aspect here, not a series of actions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002984
Do you have a page pertaining to Japanese grammar relating to aspect, and not just vaguely saying it's grammatical aspect here? Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003006
http://faculty.washington.edu/ogihara/papers/Ogihara_handbook.pdf

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003008
Little confused with how you interpret it as an auxiliary here, and not as a full verb. Can you explain further? "To serve and come" -> "To bring rice" makes more sense to me here, of course I could be wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003028
If it's written in kana, you can assume it's the auxiliary function unless you have a reason to believe otherwise.

The auxiliary meaning means something like "come to prepare rice [TL note: "come to" in the same sense as "I have come to know what it's like to live with evil men"] and eat" here. That isn't very different from the full verb meaning "prepare rice, come, and eat", but based on the context I don't have, it doesn't really seem like they're telling anyone to move between positions. They totally could, but I would absolutely default to the auxiliary verb interpretation here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002721
したり顔? 得意顔? いいや
苛めたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003050
ほくほくがお

がちかいとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003050
ドヤ顔やで

[Anonymous No.]

Is Japanese worth learning for the yuri? Most of the series seem to either get ignored or dropped by scanlators.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003047
Thank you. The speaker is telling another person it, which is why I assumed my first interpretation. But here, it's something like "[I've] prepared the rice, so eat" right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003092
Given no context I would assume that the meaning is "Prepare the food (don't just start preparing it, prepare it) and eat, please". When I said that 来る didn't indicate a series of actions, I meant that it didn't build up a series of actions going like "prepare", "come", "eat".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003087
Depends on how much you care about yuri. If you truly care enough to spend a couple of years learning Japanese then read the guide in the OP and start studying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003098
Makes sense here anyways, since the listener showed no indication that they "left" and "came" back. Especially since rice is typically served at the table.
With how 持ってくる and　取ってくる often use kana and function as the full verb, I thought it was the same here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17995097
>cornucopia

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003156
I missed you.

[Anonymous No.]

Who /motivated/ here? Mark my words, I WILL learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003388
I missed you too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003388

[Anonymous No.]

What do we think about LingQ?
I tried watching steve's videos years ago but his constant shilling of his website was getting annoying.
The other day I watched a few of his videos again because they were linked here and it got me thinking.
All the other websites like Duolingo are obviously trash, especially for Japanese, but Steve is very respected in these threads yet nobody ever talks about LingQ. Am I right with my lingering assumption that it's bad and thus everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt because he gives bad advice i.e. GO USE LINGQ in each and every one of his videos?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003388

Motivation is fickle. I just do stuff I want to do and try and structure my environment to reinforce my habits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003399
LingQ is good but not for Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003399
i like the idea of lingq but hate the idea of having to have a study material held hostage by a subscription fee

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003388
I have a 40-day streak of doing Japanese but might lose out tonight because of a lack of motivation.

[Anonymous No.]

Should I hit again if I mess up the pluralization of a card's english?
For example, if I say "expense" when it's "expenses", should I count it as a lapse or not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003427
Why the fuck would you consider that a lapse.

[Anonymous No.]

𛁅𛂈𛁠𛀆

[Anonymous No.]

can someone help me understand this line from episode 1 of death note? it's after he discards the death note after looking through it real quick. maybe a complete english translation of the sentence. is he talking about the person who wrote the thing? is he talking about the notebook itself?

>不幸の手紙から全然進歩しちゃいない

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003418
At least do half an hour anon. Don't make her cry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003448
isn't 不幸の手紙 about chainmail

[Anonymous No.]

Is there some good free app for reading manga on android?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003456
tachiyomi but it's a bitch to set it up with predownloaded manga

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003453
according to this it is. https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%81%E3%82%A7%E3%83%BC%E3%83%B3%E3%83%A1%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003441
relatable

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003441
It's the current year, how can you still be getting these?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003456
I think there's a manga OCR program in the CoR for mobile androids.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003473
Just download it from github or the play store. It's called OCR Manga Reader and as far as I know there are no fakes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003427
Sounds more like an /ESL/ problen than a /djt/ problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003471
my man i think it is you who are getting "those"
it shows up fine for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003479
Oh yeah no it's not on github, but you get what I mean, sourceforge or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003431
Because I'm a retard.
>>18003482
And an ESL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003479
>OCR Manga Reader
I don't see anything with this name on the play store

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003427
no, you got the card right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003503
Looks like something happened to the play store entry.

>Sorry! This content is not available in your country yet.
>We're working to bring the content you love to more countries as quickly as possible.
>Please check back again soon.

So sourceforge then.

[Anonymous No.]

What are some books in Japanese that come with a vocabulary list like the Yotsubato reading pack?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003638
I can only think of parallel text books

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003638
Breaking into Japanese literature

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002395
i used to watch a lot of nico and was even a premium member
i stopped watching when they took forever to release a html5 player or an app i could use on my phone

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002395
>half of them look like from 2005
That is generous indeed.
Why is that the case, to begin with? I'm not even a professional and I think I could whip up a decent CSS for them in a week or two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003940
No web industry boom until very recently. The web was seen by businesses as a necessary inconvenience rather than a new way of life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003940
terrible PC marketshare

[Anonymous No.]

>>17995097
>4学年先輩
Does that refer to a person who's 4 years ahead of you in a career?

[Anonymous No.]

Redpill me on sakubi

[Anonymous No.]

Guys I want to get better at speaking and reading and the tobira pack in the CoR has audio files which sound kinda cool. The whole pack kind of overwhelms me though. What should I be starting with, the gateway textbook?
>>17995877
What is the purpose? I know over 4,000 words and according to kanji grid only know 1,500 kanji. I would do isolated kanji study for the hell of it but what do you think I would actually gain?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004102
Speaking and listening* (though reading too I guess, but I just read manga for that)

[Anonymous No.]

おにいちゃんおなかすいた

あまざけのみたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003516
Found it on sourceforge and read for a bit, seems good, thanks.

Any way to get a better dictionary on it or am I missing something when it recognizes a kanji but doesn't have any info on it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004102
>>18004121
Watch anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003399
Most of his advice doesn't have much to do with LinQ, even if he does shill it

[Anonymous No.]

If I learn Japanese can I get a qt Japanese girlfriend? Or is it all pointless?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004406
Any good place to find Japanese-subtitled anime? Sorry if this is answered in the OP or something but I am literally too lazy to check.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004556
Just watch it with English subs or raw

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004567
But I figured if I had jappo subs I could try to internalize the kanji a bit as I watch? Or no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004556
http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F

a lot of these are timed to live broadcasts though so you'll have to adjust them if your raw cuts out commercials.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004556
http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004569
the other way around, seeing the kanji helps listening comprehension

don't use eng subs, it's literally worthless as soon as you get to a level where you can understand jack shit with out translations and only hinders progress
t. different

[Anonymous No.]

I need help translating this long message to someone, as i want them to understand what im saying. Also its embarrassing sorry, ahhh help me.

"Hi Cheonsa I’m sorry. I’ve been worried about you because recently one of my friends left school and disappeared because she was depressed, so I really wanted to make you feel better…. I really wanted talk with you every hour but I treated you different because you are Japanese so I wanted to give you space.

This whole time i’ve been chatting with you because I wanted to get closer to you and I just want to say that my favorite thing about is your cute cheeks and beautiful hair. To be honest I wanted to get to know you well enough so I could tell you this and more.

I wanted to get to know you so I can say that your cheeks are extremely adorable.

I want to poke and play with them.

You look so energetic and cute that If we were friends I would want to run over and pick you up and hug you and feel your beautiful hair on my cheek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004599
Well lets see your own translation attempt first

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004599
Fuck off Malcolm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004556
Japanese subs will distract from your listening too, even if not as badly as English subs. It might sound counter-intuitive as you are matching the spoken dialogue to the text, but a slight struggle to understand does wonders for improving your abilities, and the text takes the struggle away.
If your listening comprehension is so bad that you get less than 30-50%, maybe subs will be worth it, but in the long term you should get away from them as soon as you can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004577
I don't mean to start a flame war, but sometimes I really doubt a lot of the people who give advice in such a strongly worded manner have even passed N2. There are a lot of times where you won't understand shit unless you read some competent english sub.

[Anonymous No.]

Me either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004724
Better start with English first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004724

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004723
Not him, and I fully admit I'm still a beginner, but this is how I see it:
If you don't understand some lines, that's fine. If you don't understand anything, you're watching something too far above your listening ability.
If you're talking about the complexity of the sentences and not the speech itself, I don't think listening practice is the place to focus on understanding new sentences (though you certainly can), I think that's to be done primarily during reading.
Not really calling you wrong, but I don't understand what you're saying.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone happen to know the source of this comic I've seen before? It's about the author teaching at a Japanese elementary school and whatever silly interactions she has with the kids. She seems to have studied Japanese and is also left-handed

[Anonymous No.]

できなかったからといって

しなかったことにはならない

がんばれおにいちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

幸せになりたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003483

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone used pic related? I know about 2500 words according to anki, will I be able to read without having to look at the translation of every single word?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005123
あのんはルールがすきなんだね

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005175
どういう意味なんですか...

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001884
Because getting frustrated by rote isolated kanji memorization and quitting Japanese is an "invaluable skillset with realworld application"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004974
下学上達しなければ、焼け石に水でしょう

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005175
日本語でブログポストするのは大丈夫だよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005190
あのんはじぶんがきらいなの

>>18005246
ねこはしゃべれないけど

なんかいっているきはする

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005307
>あのんはじぶんがきらいなの
そうなんですけど、それは「ルール」というの関係はなんですか？意味わかりませんよ
ブログってもしょうがないでしょう

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005314
しあわせルールでは

あなたのこころはみたされないの

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005334
それはただ人間性ですね

[Anonymous No.]

あたしは日本語が下手です。同仕様。

[Anonymous No.]

This is not a joke question. I'm looking for a manga that I can read that isn't Yotsuba that has a lot of memorabilia and items to purchase that I can use to motivate my Japanese reading. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm not too into anime: my favorite is Serial Experiments Lain, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005558
Naruto

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005558
けいおん！

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005558
Is this a joke?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005558
You know ABe has a Yotsuba-like manga called Ryushika Ryushika right? Probably not much merch but it should motivate you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005588
Ryuushika is great but it's a bit more difficult than Yotsuba

[Anonymous No.]

When not to omit 私?

[Anonymous No.]

Howdie, I am longing for a series of well liked comics, one of the more popular ones seem to be Yotsubato. But, I am not looking for that particular one, because it seems a lot of people like it. Do you have any recommendations? Best would be something really unknown but with a huge amount of merchandise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005672
Batman

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004403
Put these in the directed folder.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ocrmangareaderforandroid/files/Optional%20Dictionaries/
Guide is
http://ocrmangareaderforandroid.sourceforge.net/#name_dic

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005672
Please take your autism pills. You already asked that weird question

[Anonymous No.]

>>17995097
As long as I have the motivation to do all my reps, is it fine to go at a rate of 60 new cards a day if I'm only getting around %55-60 correct?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18006015
That's an abysmal % dude. I don't see what the point of what you're doing is if you forget half the cards after even one day. How do you think you'll remember even a fraction of that a week later in the wild?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005658
When YOU are directly related to the conversation.
Think of it like this: if you want to tell someone about a funny thing that happened to you today, you don't start by telling them you woke up, ate breakfast, and got dressed, would you? Unless those things are directly related to the fact that something funny happened, you omit those things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18006015
>60 new cards a day

[Anonymous No.]

>"ah dude I read SO much yesterday I must have built up a HUGE backlog of new cards"
>1 card imported

[Anonymous No.]

How do I deal with leeches in Anki? Mainly just the technical part of redoing them in a filtered deck, and getting them back in the normal rotation. I don't understand the menus, or anki's manual/webpage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18006034
Won't I still eventually remember the cards? It'll just take more failed attempts to get there, or am I wrong here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18006624
How many years have you been watching anime without understanding a single shred more complicated than "daijoubu"?
That's the equivalent of what you're doing. Pure exposure without understanding doesn't do shit for learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18006015
You're going to burn out doing 60 cards a day with that low retention, probably in under a month. Go ahead. Come back when it happens so we can laugh at you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005672

the spider man manga is pretty good

[Anonymous No.]

来年12月のN1に狙って、ちゃんと速く準備しといて始まりたいけど、いつもの暗記と読書は今回足りないかも知らない。暗記と読書を除いて、どうやって勉強したらいい？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000296
>wow this american can't spell onomatopaeia
>onomatopaeia
onomatopoeia*

[Anonymous No.]

i have a native friend who said he cant really write kanji either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000125
I am sure that if I didn't write kanji, I would've quit long ago due to constantly confusing similar ones and getting mad at that

[Anonymous No.]

>>18000125
I don't think I could remember vocab by just speaking and listening, but that's just me.

Also unless you have someone to speak with in person or online (as in voice), there's not enough content that only does speaking/listening lessons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18006730
１万アニメを見る

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003388
In the best of times, I'm motivated. In the worst of times, I'm disciplined.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005171
I doubt it, but there is a glossary on the bottom of each page so maybe you can force your way through.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18006776
you know being humble is part of Japanese culture, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18006989
i dont think outright lying is part of being humble

[Anonymous No.]

>>18006992
in japanese culture it sort of is in some cases. e.g. japanese people saying 日本語上手ですね！ when the only thing you can say is arigatou in a heavy accent

>>18006867
thanks, yeah I sort of figured it'd be too hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007044
Saying "my x is not that good" isn't really the same as a discussion built around kanji and its difficulty as a focal point, it would just be lying at that point

that said, congratulating people on their language being good isn't limited to the japanese, it's limited to people too scared to be honest among strangers which is typically everywhere you go. i could be wrong, but I feel like we tend to stereotype the japanese a lot for doing habits everyone really does when looked at in retrospect. like people being bored that they aren't very introspective or politically minded but are too crass to realize that their own country is the exact same probably outside their bubble; normies exist in all countries

[Anonymous No.]

>>18006624
If you're overloading yourself with so many new cards, you're not going to get better at the hard ones fast enough to overcome the avalanche of reviews that will slowly build. You're going to be spending more and more time every single day until you quit, or make a drastic change to try to reverse things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007076
Especially in language learning. It's common to ignore bad habits of foreigners speaking English or praise them for being able to communicate at all, though maybe the praise isn't to the same extent.
Maybe the stereotype of Engrish would have more counterexamples if people were willing to be a decent enough resource to point out mistakes. I mean, sure you can't correct EVERYTHING, you're not their teacher. But if you highlight what you think are the most important things for someone to work on, after hearing it a few times they may actually do that and come back with one less ingrained mistake and get feedback on something else. That's what I'd like Japanese natives to do, and I'm sure will rarely happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007143
Politeness is also a method to say "I don't care, really"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18004556
https://animelon.com/

it's a streaming site with japanese subtitles, the selection still is pretty limited though

[Anonymous No.]

Why do foreigners get so disenchanted with 建前 anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18005171
I forced myself through this book when I probably knew even less... good times
it's not a good idea btw. but I don't regret it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007168
Doesn't make it more honest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003418
is nothing compared to 5 days of not reading
seriously fuck uni

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else hate how Core 2k is structured?
Like what the fuck? The first few cards or so are disorganized like fuck. Let me go through the numbers and days of the week/months at once dude, don't put filler words to pad out my retention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007337
How is uni preventing you from reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003398
>暗記
Was Anki made by people who studied Japanese, or by Japanese themselves?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007358
doing too many similar words at once is bad because you're more likely to confuse them. you'll feel it first hand the few times the deck does do this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18001228
Any reading mistake should be considered a serious error and grounds for an "again".

The only acceptable mistakes are definition mistakes where you didn't use the exact word on the back of the card but did use a very similar one with practically the same meaning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18006634
You make a good point, lowering to 35-40ish or however low it takes to uh get to %80

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007391
I cant remember.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002395
Yeah, that shit about their servers being overloaded and the site being set to "low quality mode" for 23.5 hours of every day is a fucking joke.

I can't believe no Japanese company (or even a Western company wanting to break into the Japanese market) has come up with a competing service with all the same features but without that premium bollocks and driven Nico to bankruptcy. It's hilarious that we're at the end of 2017 and their HTML5 video support (which they only finally implemented not too long ago) is still in beta.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007391
by people who use flashcards to study.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003940
Japs can't into software, only hardware.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18003940
alongside all the other reasons, most jap websites are made for old mobile phones in mind

[Anonymous No.]

There's this thing that's been fucking with my mind for a while. Basically everyone says you need to be incredibly motivated to learn Japanese because it's very difficult and it takes a long ass time, it's not something you can accomplish by fooling around etc. You know the drill.
I started studying 2 years ago but I had to stop very often due to real life shit, so I still consider myself a beginner. The thing is, though I haven't lost the motivation to master the language there is no specific reason I want to do that for besides the challenge itself and the fact I enjoy learning new things; having been a fan of Japanese media for almost 20 years it feels good to finally know the meaning of those runes.
Apart from that there are only two untranslated series I really want to be able to read eventually. I guess not having to rely on translators and localizers anymore would also be a big plus, and I'm really enjoying re-reading manga in their native language. Still, I can't shake off the feeling all of this isn't enough. It's not like I have a huge list of untranslated series I absolutely want to read or I'm planning to move to Japan. I don't know, maybe I'm overthinking it.

tl;dr: I'm mainly studying Japanese for the sake of it. Am I doomed to fail?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007596
I started learning so I can play JRPGs before they get translated but desu I'll probably be busy learning it such that when I actually learn it I'll have lost gaming as a hobby.

I am also learning it for its own sake and for fun - it's my hobby. Just wish it wasn't so mentally taxing on me - I can't learn after work sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007419
Yeah, I fucked up 段階 and 階段 for literal months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007596
>I'm mainly studying Japanese for the sake of it. Am I doomed to fail?
That's pretty much what I'm doing, and I'm entering year 3 soon. I really enjoy just learning the language, and being able to understand the media I enjoy in it's native language keeps me motivated.

For some reason, I enjoy reading books in Japanese more than English too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007596
I'm pretty much the same, except already 6 years in
I have no real goal besides "fluency at some point in my life" and having fun at learning

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007076
That's a good point that I hadn't really thought about that. I'm definitely guilty of doing the same thing - complimenting foreigners on their english when their english isn't actually that good.

but I do think japanese people do this to a larger extent than people of many other nationalities. I think it's partly cultural, and partly just because they meet so few foreigners who speak any japanese at all.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

おはようおねえちゃん

きょうのラッキーアイテムは

ハンカチだよ

もっていってね

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007596
I'm pretty much the same, too. I think you're actually more likely to succeed this way - even if you completely lose interest in anime, you'll still study japanese.

also you might be able to learn other languages too if you just enjoy language-learning in general

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007596
The day to day is not difficult, its just an endurance race and you're making it a bigger deal than it is.
Those that give up never established a routine that includes steadily increasing difficulty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007759
>きょうのラッキーアイテムは
>ハンカチだよ
違う
お前のパンツ

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone have a deck with Tae Kim's grammar guide example sentences?

[Anonymous No.]

パンツきたないよ

いやきれいです

きれいにしてるよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007779
It exists but you don't want it. Example sentences are one of the worst things to use flashcards with. I mean, I won't argue with you about it, but I'm gonna tell you it's a bad idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007789
could you explain why is it a bad idea? maybe i'll change my mind

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007797
Example sentences for grammar explanations are meant to help you understand what the explanations are saying, rather than to be reasonable Japanese. If you make flashcards out of them you're not gonna see the grammar points interact in interesting ways and they're gonna have a very skewed vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007797
you're taking a game wiki into anki instead of playing the game(reading) and looking at it when you need it

[Anonymous No.]

こえにだすのがいいよ

おんどくっていうよ

きいてもらえるネイティブがいると

とてもはやくうまくなるとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

only 600 words into anki but i'm attempting to read anyway cause i'm getting impatient.
wish me luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007872
good luck dude

[Anonymous No.]

who here started reading without delving their feet into anki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002705
If you listen to textbooks and beginner guides, it's a feminine sentence ending particle which like よ but softer.

In reality, the particle is used by men as well, but without the rising intonation used by female speakers. Its use by men is especially common in kansai and other western regions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007911
technically everybody? 愚問だね

[Anonymous No.]

>>18002772
Watch Yama no Susume and you'll get to experience it. It's ridiculously easy.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone wanting an AB account for finding raw manga and shit which might be hard to obtain elsewhere (especially if something should happen to CoR, etc. in the future), registrations on AB are currently OPEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007994
cool but what is AB

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007994
Oh, how do I register good friend ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007994
Stop lying to me, Karen. I don't see any way to register.

Unless I'm supposed to go into their IRC and ask for an account, which is dumb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007994
AB is never going to have open registration again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008014
i just checked and it actually does say they're open, but doesn't say how lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008014
Maybe I misinterpreted the announcement. It says applications are open; it doesn't use the word "registrations". Guess you have to go on IRC or something and apply (there aren't any details in the announcement post about how it works, so I can't help you any more than this).

It says in the announcement that applications haven't been open in a very long time, so don't waste the opportunity.

[Anonymous No.]

コリアンが

ゴミひろいしているの

みたことない

[Anonymous No.]

じょししょうがくせいのオシリが食べたいなぁ〜

[Anonymous No.]

プラジリアンは

いっつもサッカーしてる

ピリピーナはいっつもにこにこしてて

にんきある

アメリカンはいっつもいばってる

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008047
>>18008123
れいしすと

[Anonymous No.]

にほんじんが

ほんねをいってるのも

あんまりないとおもう

[Anonymous No.]

>anki says you haven't done reps every day even though you haven't because your sleep rhythm goes around so you have to adjust the schedules and do two days of reps on one waking day/night cycle and this skews the stats

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008447
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008447
Complain to the anki developers about it. Seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008465
>be reddit newfriend
>think greentext is for quotes and quotes only

lurk more, also you're derailing the japanese learning thread with your off topic conversation

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007610
It helps to remember that Jap works like English in this regard. The description in front, thing in the back.
stairs-STOREY > the floor/storey (that looks like a giant stair step)
storey-STAIRS > the stairs (that lead upwards)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008447

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007610
Just remember that 段 is だん as in the martial arts rank (e.g. 初段).

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008447
kill yourself retarded frogposter

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008447
>>18008478
or you just stop being autistic about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008576
Once I learned other words with those two kanji, it became easier to separate the two words in my head. But 2k doesn't introduce more words featuring those kanji until a while after IIRC.

On that subject, has anyone ever tried anything like targeted mining? For example, looking up a bunch of words that all feature the same kanji and making cards to remember that specific one better?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008447
amazing

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008638
Once you get to 23, you're fucked. Any further change to the setting will cause Anki to skip a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008638
that's part of what causes it

if you wake up at 3:30am and move the next day back to say 6am for example to do today's reps before it resets and then you move it back to 4am after you're done, it says you've done "yesterday's" reps today, because you did them after after 4am. Then you have double reps on one day, and and empty day on the past day.

This happens to me once at least every two weeks because my schedule as a student is very flexible and I wake up around 10pm to do group projects after 12am very often

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008447
>>18008478
How feasible this is depends on how anki deals with time. Last time I said this someone jumped on me for "thinking" that anki tracks "days", which is actually the problem in the first place. Unix timestamps are insufficient by themselves for what is apparently desired.
What I'm unsure of is if anki physically stores extra information to group reviews into "days" (or a less intelligent approach such as tagging every review with the current day start time setting), or if it is entirely calculated through the timestamps and the current global day start time setting. I presume the latter, which means that previous "days" could retroactively be considered missed when you change the day start time.
More simply, I would assume that the day start time is not intended to be changed in the first place, but to be set once and left alone. You would have to add a "day" tracking system that likely doesn't really exist right now, and is only emulated through large database queries and data processing. I may be off base, but from the few peeks I've taken at the code, I don't think I am.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008666
idk the same thing happens to me sometimes but i don't really care much

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008703
It doesn't store what the day change hour was when a card interaction event was undertaken. This is the reason for
>previous "days" could retroactively be considered missed when you change the day start time

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008713
That is what I assumed, yes, so you've confirmed that it would require significant database changes and not a naive "uncap the next day delay setting" that someone took personal offense to not being present some number of threads back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008703
That's precisely what it does, it always calculates days as 24 hour periods starting from/ending at the currently set daily reset time

It remembers when you did cards though, so if you have new day starting at 4am and do a card at 3:30, then change "new day" to 3am, it says you've done a card "today", then change it back to 4am and you did the card "yesterday"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008726
That argument has nothing at all to do with the issue that >>18008447 has.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008726
Your anime related work is bad and so is your social media presence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008733
Assuming this person wants anki to be changed to fix it, as someone previously asked for, it has everything to do with their issue. Making anki align your reviewed "days" to your inconsistent arbitrary wake cycle is not a small change when anki doesn't physically track "days" to begin with, and only retroactively calculates them via timestamps and a global start of day setting.
If not, consider it a response to the second post I tagged suggesting the developers should fix it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008738
Is this one of those hot memes, or am I genuinely being accused of being an e-celebrity? I have never used social media in my life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008762
That argument was about being forced to either skip a day's reviews or do two day's reviews in a single day. This issue is about stats. You're projecting one issue onto another. You were probably involved with the argument and are still upset about it. It's not topical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008775
>If not, consider it a response to the second post I tagged suggesting the developers should fix it.
Someone brought it up, shame on me for commenting that it's not an easy fix.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008792
>Last time I said this someone jumped on me for "thinking" that anki tracks "days"
This doesn't have anything to do with that argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008802
Correct. The rest does pertain to the post I tagged. I intended to preface slightly long explanation with a reason for not simply saying "it's not easy to fix" and stopping there, as I've said such and received doubt in the past. My apologies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008828
Well in the case of stats I really don't see what would be hard about it.

The stats in desktop Anki are based on the table of card interaction events. It wouldn't be hard to track the day rollover stat for each review in a new table, look up the card events being used to make the stats in that table, and use that for events which have an entry in that table instead of the global setting.

It should take at most a couple hours of work, assuming that the programmer and the code they're working on aren't hot garbage. But Anki's code is full of three-letter variable names and the database schema makes no sense, but maybe I'm giving them too much credit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007994
Someone with an account and Romanian tier internet connection should download everything from AB related to djt interests which can't be otherwise easily found online and upload it to the CoR. Fuck private trackers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008851
>It wouldn't be hard to track the day rollover stat for each review in a new table
I suggested this as an option in parentheses, but it is not my first choice. It seems rather bloated to put information that generally will not change more than once a day on every card review.
If anki were to adapt for this, it may be more reasonable to make a separate "day" table with timestamps of the start and end of each day. This would also make it slightly easier to merge the current day with the previous if you realize after your reviews that the day rolled over halfway through and you want to fix that. And it would restore the ability to relatively quickly find the start timestamp of 30 days ago or 365 days ago without querying the entire review database.
That table could additionally cache some frequently calculated totals for the day, such as passed/failed, but unfortunately wouldn't be extendable by plugins such as true retention.
Still, it makes queries slightly simpler, and is adaptable to stranger requests such as tracking morning and night reviews separately, or scheduling bi- or tri-weekly reviews rather than daily for whatever reason. I mean, while we're going for flexibility, that's a very minor addition. I wouldn't want to do that, but maybe someone does.
>But Anki's code is full of three-letter variable names and the database schema makes no sense, but maybe I'm giving them too much credit.
I fully agree there, which is why I make assumptions instead of checking their code, it's an unpleasant experience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008927
To be honest, AB isn't very good for raw stuff.

There doesn't seem to be any good site for raws, really. On nyaa, there are hardly any batch torrents, even for completed series, and a lot of the torrents are dead. AB sucks for raws in my experience; many manga are only available in translated form, and if raws are available they are incomplete. That leaves you with shitty blog-style sites which upload everything to dodgy filehosts that only let you download one thing every 3 hours (that's if they haven't taken the file down, which often seems to be the case).

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008960
>that only let you download one thing every 3 hours (that's if they haven't taken the file down, which often seems to be the case).
I've spent so many hours painstakingly downloading content through these bastard sites. There has to be other tucked away bounties like the cornucopia of resources for otaku and the like, surely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008969
Imagine if Japan used torrents like normal people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008969
They only exist if someone makes them. I've considered uploading all my manga that's not on the CoR, but 1) my connection is shit, 2) my hard drive crashed a few months ago and I still haven't recovered my data, and 3) filehosters are susceptible to random takedowns. Madokami has plans to start allowing raws again, that would probably be the best place to build a good raw manga database.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18008987
Sucks to hear about your lost data, that shit is painful to deal with. As a side question, what's wrong with mega as a filehost, generally speaking?

[Anonymous No.]

Last night I accidentally read a volume of manga in Japanese because the cover looked cool.

Meanwhile there are people who pretend to have high-intermediate proficiency in Japanese and give tons of help on reddit, but admit to struggling to read manga, taking like a week per volume.

My Japanese really isn't that good. But there are so many people with even worse Japanese who tie their identities to how proficient they think their are, and boost their egos by helping people while under that identity.

Don't trust people who give specific language advice unless you have a real reason to believe that they're good at the language. Not some certificate or test score, or what the most advanced textbook they've completed is. Something like how fast they can consume writing or speech and what their comprehension is at that speed.

You can trust learning advice with a lower standard of proof, but you really shouldn't blindly trust people about specific details about the language. People are full of shit. Though you should still have a reason to trust learning advice beyond common sense and a basic level of explanation, "people are full of shit" applies to that too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009030
Who are you not quoting

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009049
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/7fsk45/how_long_does_it_take_you_to_finish_a_manga/
Read the responses, then open up the comment histories of some of the people that take a long time to read a volume, and wallow in despair. Or point and laugh. Your choice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009009
Mega is definitely one of the best apart from the download limit (which is simple to bypass), no bullshit speed caps and good retention. The problem with filehosters as a whole is that they're simply not very suitable for archival projects.
Example: there's a site called surrealmoviez, its niche is similar to karagarga, which you might have heard of if you're into the whole private tracker thing. Surrealmoviez is also private, but instead of torrents, it uses direct download links, and as you can imagine, they need to be renewed periodically.
Surrealmoviez currently has over 20,000 registered users, and there's a lot more demand for arthouse films than raw manga scans. I think maintaining such a hypothetical manga database using public filehosters would be very unwieldy in the long run, which is why I believe Madokami and AnimeBytes are our best bets, but AB comes with all the usual private tracker bureaucracy that might put people off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009030
>>18009059
nobody cares about your sad ego stroking, least of all about hivemind internet point driven conversations

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009098
you just described the very people anon is complaining about

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009030
If you're plowing through manga as fast as you can, maybe you should try books instead? If you're finishing a volume in under an hour, you're probably barely even looking at the pictures. Might as well read raw text.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009112
I'm an idiot-savant. One of the random things I'm good at is processing images in detail just after glancing at them a few times. Makes people think I'm skimming whenever I go over anything graphical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009112
It depends on the manga but that's not really an unusual speed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009119
You are not a savant, just autistic, sorry to say. Everyone can "process images in detail" at a glance, but people on the spectrum might have issues with savouring them. Normal people just don't find this fun to do with a 95% visual medium like manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009138
I'm guess all that psychological testing showing that I remember way more about images and structured graphics than average, in less exposure, and for longer, was all wrong, then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009138
Not that anon, but I am actually on the spectrum and I tend to really take my time enjoying the art when I read manga. In fact, I think the slower you read, the better. Sometimes I'll sit and stare at a two page spread for more than a minute if the art is good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009138
Savants ARE autistic, クソ野郎

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009131
That's pretty quick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009164
An hour per the typical 150 page volume is one page per 24 seconds. More seconds if you're not counting the front and back material. For the typical manga, one that's not unusually dense, that's enough time to read all the text and look at all the pictures without hurrying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009169
No man, that's pretty quick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009184
I read at like one page per 15-20 seconds in English. I don't know where you're getting your idea of quick from.

[Anonymous No.]

おにいちゃん

たいしぼうりつ

なんぱーせんと？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009164
Maybe. I admit I've never actually timed myself while reading manga (or anything). It just doesn't sound that fast.

I have a volume I was planning on starting today. I'll time myself out of curiosity and report later today, if you'll excuse a blogpost. I actually like this series' art and the story is a little heavy so I won't be skimming. Maybe I'm completely wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009197
I just read a 17 page doujinshi for science. Real deal. Image examination, enough text to tell a 17 page story, no pausing. It was 17 pages over 247 seconds, or ~14.5 seconds per page.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009193
８８ぱーせんと

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009186
>I read at like one page per 15-20 seconds in English
Cool. Are you fluent in English? It can take anywhere between 3~6 seconds to look up a word reading and learners tend to look up a couple of words every page or two. It takes a few years of wide reading to be able to randomly pick up a series and not come across unknown words.

>>18009197
If you're curious, try timing yourself reading a four panel series as well and compare the difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009218
To be fair, the art in 4koma is usually super duper function over form and only the to let you know who's telling the jokes. Not much to really linger on, after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009148
I can read decently fast and feel guilty about it sometimes when I stop and realize how much fucking work the artist put into a page.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009218
>Cool. Are you fluent in English?
I'm a fluent native speaker and reader of English, but I have to reread everything because I forget it the moment I read it.

>learners tend to look up a couple of words every page or two
If you're looking up words you're not letting the story get to you. Here are some words I learned or relearned through mere exposure over the past week, off the top of my head: 復活　阻止　圧倒的　装備　叩き　手加減

They're all common words, but like you implied, it takes a few years to build such a vocabulary that you'll stop encountering new words every page or two.

The difference is that with good reading habits (i.e. focused on comprehending the story, not the series of written words) you can expose yourself to more words at a faster enough speed that you don't have to look much up. Most words are very easy to learn just by being exposed to them being used correctly, so failing to look up a word doesn't mean you won't learn it.

I'm only forced to look up a word or two once every five or ten pages, usually in little bundles since the topic temporarily shifts to something the story doesn't normally focus on. Stories are meant to have long typical parts and short atypical parts, and good reading habits take advantage of that fact.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a grammar guide in video format? I learn better when listening to someone else explain it rather than reading it myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009262
Should've added that if you're an actual beginner who doesn't know super duper ultra basic words like 魔王 or 風景 yet, then there's no avoiding looking stuff up, but you shouldn't have that poor of a reading skill level for more than a year or so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009274
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+learn+japanese+
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=steve%27s+learn+basic+japanese+grammar+nihongonomori

[Anonymous No.]

Oh shit, I just realised that Yomichan can function as a sort of offline Jisho.org... except better, because you can also search your EPWING dictionaries with it instead of only EDICT.

Click the Yomichan icon and then the little magnifying glass button and you'll be taken to the "Yomichan Search" page. It work basically exactly like the normal pop-up except with a search bar, so you can do the Anki import thingy from it as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>750 kanji in
>all start to look same because similar looking ones with one less or more strokes start appearing
What if I can't learn Japanese...
should I do RTK and get back to vocabulary after that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009279
If you want something not tied to a web browser you can use Tagaini Jisho too. I'm pretty sure it has a word learning system, there's probably a way to make it connect to Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009278
There's a bunch. Which ones are good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009274
Pure beginner: Let's Learn Japanese Basic
Beginner with some basic knowledge: Visualizing Japanese Grammar.

Check the resources page for links.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009287
Both of them.
LLJB1 -> LLJB2
or
LBJG1 -> LBJG2

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009288
>>18009290
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009294
It's funny because these video resources are actually better than any of the text resources you'll find out there, at least in terms of raw quality. It's the opposite of what you'd expect.

But being in video format only is actually a flaw. You can't look things up in them easily, and you have to scrub the playback cursor to skip forward or ahead instead of just moving your eyes or flipping pages/tabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009280

start handwriting and focusing on radicals

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009280
this is what you get for not handwriting lazy

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009299
>these video resources are actually better than any of the text resources you'll find out there
Seconded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009030
>Something like how fast they can consume writing or speech and what their comprehension is at that speed.
I fail to see how this is reliable when
>People are full of shit.
This extends to the fact that people vastly overestimate their level of comprehension, when they're not simply lying about speed and comprehension.

Unfortunately, I think the most effective to be able to tell is to have enough experience to be able to tell if something they say is embarrassingly stupid. For example, I recently ran into a post that said jouyou kanji can be done in a year if you commit 60 hours a week. If you're lucky enough to run into something this insane, at least you can quickly discard the rest of the information.
But while it's effective, it's not always available, so you have to make your own judgments as you aggregate opinions and hope for the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009320
>>18009350
O-ok guys i will learn to handwrite all 750 of them as soon as i'm done with my finals and have turned in all the projects! I can do it!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009320
>>18009350
Love this meme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009434
>I can't tell small stroke differences apart! If only there was a way to learn this quickly and effectively!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009216
あのんよくもえそう

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009377
Don't listen to those eternal N3 handwriting idiots. You'll be able to remember kanji just by reading enough as long as you don't have a brain defect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009454
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%83%AF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E9%A6%AC%E9%B9%BF

there is literally a word for people who forget how to write kanji because they don't writ enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009458
Writing is still a useless skill so its a waste of time to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009490
but it enhances your memorization of the characters.

[Anonymous No.]

What do you suggest for going through the kanji? I mean I could just write them 50 times but at that point why not learn what it means? Some words in core and my farm deck don't give obvious meaning to the kanji so it's either having to google it and probably forgetting what it means anyway by the next time I see it which, I suppose, brings us back to square zero at "should I do RTK?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009495
The act itself does not; its the increased exposure which is gained better from reading.

[Anonymous No.]

あのんのくににあって

にほんにはないものって

なんですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009498
You learn words, what they mean, and how to pronounce them.
By doing that, the kanji will be impossible not to pick up. If you still feel like kanji are more important than words, you don't really understand their function.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009504
>increased exposure which is gained better from reading.

So you can be exposed to it very infrequently if at all just to make the same reading mistake and wonder why the fuck it made no sense only to go back and read it again and realize "oh it was that one that is a bit different what was that again I can't remember?"

you get far less exposure than focused study. you're a stubborn retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009490
Have you considered that writing the kanji is not centrally about writing the kanji, but about reinforcing the composition of the kanji to help counter the natural lumping of similar-looking kanji into one "thing" in your memory?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009505
俺様

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009516
Similar looking kanji are rarely a problem in words, you look up the difference when it gets to that.
Writing is a waste of time for how infrequently that occurs.
>>18009512
Exposure from reading is the only thing that matters, not your little obsession with kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009498
I learned ~1200 kanji through reading alone and studied the remaining individually with a jouyou kanji deck

When I wrote kanji I only wrote them once per card per day. I don't think it's necessary to write them more than that (unless your goal is to be a very fast and neat handwriter)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009534
Do a row when you first learn it, and then write it once on review. It's really easy and fast AND effective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009280
this is why i started RTK

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009535
That sounds smart, I'll try that

[Anonymous No.]

にほんには
　 　 　 ランク
いろいろな階級のひとたちがいます

あたしたちのようなあめがふったら傘をさすひとたちと

傘をささないひとたちがいます

[Anonymous No.]

What's the なくねー here supposed to be?

I would've thought that the ねー was just a colloquial ない, which leaves us with なくない, but that doesn't seem to make any sense since the only thing that could be would be a negative conjugation of 無い... which is already a negative concept by default.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009700
おとこことばだよ

おんなことばだと

>パッキリと分かれることなくない！？

になるよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009720
>ことなくない
「事無くない」でしょうね？それはどんな意味ですか？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009743
>通学路まで分かれる必要があるだろうか、いやない

のしょりゃくで、いみは

>通学路は一緒がいい

だよ

[Anonymous No.]

なくなくなくなくない？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009766
なくないけどなくなくない

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009700
ところでそのまんが

はっとりみつる

っぽい絵にみえるけど

お弟子さん？

[Anonymous No.]

has djt thought about making a subbing group for practice

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009789
Sounds like a horrible idea to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009789
i second this thought

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009794
we could name ourselves horrible- oh wait

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009789
why would we give a single flying fuck about thirsty EOPs

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009789
Yeah we should do this and sub everything wrong to encourage people to learn Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009818
the current releases have that well in hand

[Anonymous No.]

たぶんこれだー

いくらだった？

[Anonymous No.]

in this VN I'm playing they say 剣 as つるぎ but I've kinda always read it as けん
Is there much of a difference?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009877
Quickly looking it up, it seems つるぎ is just an archaism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009877
刀とのちがいはわからない

けんっていうとカタナではないきがするよ

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best word to use for looking up interviews from creators. Just インタビュー or 面談 (I think this one is for for hiring though?) or something else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009877
It sounds cooler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18006730
Instead of visiting 4chan, browse japanese websites.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18006730
Do core 2 or 6k and then literally all you have to do is read VNs and do 20+ new words every day for a year and you'll be able to pass N1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007596
But you are already failing.

[Anonymous No.]

What is everyone's preferred program or app as a Kanji dictionary where you draw it out?

Is google translate the best option?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009884
>>18009925
thanks
>>18009885
ありがとう
そして、お風呂に入りなさい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18010000
yeah no. you'll be able to read VNs and do anki really well but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18010062
いまおゆはってる

バスタブにおゆをいれるのって

なんではるっていうんだろう

ほうげんかな

[Anonymous No.]

>>18007358
you're probably using a modified order that was done by some redditor that makes it so you learn stuff by a kanji order with random hiragana and katakana only words padded in between. you can try and reorganize the deck based off the iknow order (which would be the actual frequency order) by messing around in the anki browser but you'll have to figure that out on your own

[Anonymous No.]

>>18010085
How dare you argue with quads of truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>18006599
Anybody? Am I that stupid?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18010062
おさきにごぶれいします

[Anonymous No.]

>>18010000
definitely possible but you'd probably have to at least glance at an N1 grammar book

I -think- I've seen every N1 grammar in the wild but the last time I encountered some of them was 6 or more months ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>18010123
I'm not an anki wizard either (near-default settings for 3 years) but what do you mean by "getting them back in the normal rotation"? Aren't they just auto-suspended? Why not just unsuspend them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18010167
I'm saying that I don't know how to unsuspend them, I guess. Whenever I make a filtered deck, it also doesn't seem to grab all the leeches either. It only grabs like 30, and I know I've let them pile up way beyond that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18010172
Read the manual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18010173
As I said, I already did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18010174
Well I don't know what to tell you. It must be hard to be retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18010174
Ask somewhere more useful, like the Anki subreddit or forums.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18010176
Fair enough, I might try that instead. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>ので and から and で fucking me up like 2 months ago
>Come back and relearn them
>instantly makes sense

good feelings

[Anonymous No.]

>>18009789
oh man, the insults and petty discussions would be hilarious

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNzAFsZRiW0
うわっこれを聞くと心臓もう耐えられへんで
救急車を呼べっ

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>>18010235
>関西弁

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ぐーぐるせんせいにきいてみた

だいたいぜんこくで

>ゆぶねにおゆをはる

はつうじるみたいだよ

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>>18009789
Why does it need to be djt? A subbing group like that exists already.

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Can you specify specific cards within a deck to study with Anki? I can't figure out this fucking UI.

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>>18010362
Suspend all cards and unsuspend the ones you want? That's what I do.

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>>18010395
I can't study after doing it once? Who's the retard who designed this? It says to use "Custom study" to continue studying, but idk what to select...

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>>18010362
Browse to the cards you want, and add tags. Then create a filtered deck, searching for "tag: tagname". That's what I would try, I think it would work. It wouldn't find suspended cards, so you'll have to unsuspend those first. They'll also go back to the deck they came from once you've seen them.

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>>18010401
watch the video on this page if you haven't

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaced_repetition

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Does anybody here have experience getting a job in translation? I'm studying economics right now, but I'm not sure if I want to make a career out of it. Japanese is much more fun and interesting.

I searched on Google a bit, and it seems like there is definitely demand for Japanese->English translation, with OK salaries. I'm a US citizen so maybe something in the US government?

I've taken 3 years of college Japanese (I know that doesn't mean much), and I'm doing core 6k right now. If I work hard I could probably pass N2 in a year (I have 1.5 years of college left).

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>>18010525
>>>/int/

don't take this as a "fuck off", but you'll get better responses there. also japanese isn't special, you can ask anyone who's a translator for any language and they'll give you an idea of what it's like

spoilers: it's shit

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>>18010541
Thanks

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stupid question but attaching generic words or no's next to a conjugated verb/adj nominalizes it right?
for example:
見たもの
does this literally mean "the thing of looked"?

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>>18010721
白いの

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>>18010721
見たもの would be "The thing (I) looked at"

の is like "one", for example if you're looking at a bunch of different types of sushi you could say
>食べたいのはこれです。
I want to eat this one.
の replaces すし

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>>18010235
うわぁ、ホンマかわええやなぁ

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>>18010739
>>18010809
oh i get it now, thanks!
it was a bit weird coming across this in the wild because TK only gave examples of base form verbs and adjectives like >>18010739

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>>18010831
TK is too brief on certain things, like もの and の. You'd be better reading DJG and its examples.

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>>18009778
漫画家は、言う通り、「はっとりみつる」です。

漫画の名前は「さんかれあ」です。アニメバージョンもあるよ。

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お前もう死んでいる

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>>18011110
＊後ろにテレポートする＊

くく…悪いな、坊主。

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>>18010235
>関西弁

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>>18010362
p-puffy vulva right?

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Where does Rikaichan keep it's dictionary files on my PC?

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is 安 a reference to whores?

woman below roof radical -> woman house -> whore house -> cheap woman -> cheap?

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>>18011474
it's a reference to how women have little to no value

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I read another doujinshi for the sake of science and my reading speed came out at 20 seconds per page.

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>>18011474
会意。「宀」（＝やね）＋「女」。家の中に女が落ちついている意。

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Is 23 too late to start learning? I always feel that I'm too old to learn shit but 23 is still really young. I don't want to be a 28 year old dekinai that can't even read manga like reddit.

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>>18011624
im sure it was quite the challenge

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>>18011624
>for the sake of science
please go back

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>>18011671
Steve Kaufmann is 70-something and still learning languages.

"too old" is a meme invented by dekinais to excuse their failure.

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>>18011679
>>18009214

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>>18011671
That's retarded. Best time to learn is when you're growing up I think, but after that it's all the same shit. 15 or 40, you can still learn if you put in the effort.

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>>18011632
God damn, it's only been a week of Anki and I sort of understood what you said without having to resort to google translate. Feels fucking good, man. Hopefully I'll be able to start reading easy shit like yotsuba& soon.

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>>18011671
I started when I was 29. That was 2 years and 8 days ago.
I've read about 5 manga series, 3 LN vols and 3 VNs, a good chunk through my 4th. I didn't start reading until about 9 months in and I didn't start VNs til a year in.
Age is irrelevant, routine is everything.

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Is that an archaic hiragana e or am I loosing my mind (the one between ャ and ウ)

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>>18011737
It's ロ.

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>>18011721
>5 manga series
well that could mean almost anything really

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>>18011682
>>18011705
>>18011721
Thanks for reassurance guys. I feel bad because I started ankidroning two months ago and I can't remember shit. Also doesn't help that I have missed ~20 days total and I also haven't even started reading yet.

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>>18011737
I think that's れ in a shitty font?

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>>18011750
anki drones don't miss days, and they don't really become drones until at least 2000 matures and still having read nothing, still too afraid

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>>18011737
Looks like バッキャロウ to me

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>>18011740
>>18011753
>>18011768
Thanks, I'll go with ロ.

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あ？　いんだよ減るもんじゃ

This is such a small sentence but it's really confusing me. It doesn't help that there's not much context, the main character is just thinking back to a time when his friend wore pink obnoxious pants and this is what the friend says to him.

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How do japanese sort things in 'alphabetical' order? Is it literally just based on the english letter conversion of the kanji/hira/katakana? Or do hiragana/katakana have their own order?

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>>18011785
いろは in the past, 五十音 nowadays.

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>>18011784
いい
減るもんじゃない
Watch more anime.

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>>18011807
Thank you senpai.

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>>18011750
You remember stuff more easily when mining because you have a specific context to associate the word with.

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Do we have any images like this for manga, LNs and other media?

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>>18011671
Would you rather be embarrassed about being bad in your 20s, or be embarrassed about having resigned to learning nothing in your 40s and beyond?
Otherwise, what everyone else said, age and learning is a meme excuse to be a dekinai in everything. You can pick language up (listening and speaking only) "for free" as a preteen but beyond that the difference in learning ability is vastly overstated.
You have probably heard that polyglots get better and better at acquiring new languages. That's because experience in learning is much more important than having a young brain. Get your experience now, and gain confidence to learn more in the future, not necessarily limited to language.
Just don't allow yourself to be discouraged when you struggle and need to change your methods, because struggles and adaptation are part of the process. Good luck.

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>>18011851
>"I'm going to read before getting even half way through a grammar guide, please fuck my shit up"
literally my approach when I started
it's stupid but also the one that feels like a fun adventure, I probably would have dropped learning japanese if I had started with some strict guide and anki and all that

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>>18011887
so you don't use anki?

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>>18011862
Yeah I always go through the "I should've done this [x amount of time] ago" phase of thinking every few months. I get stressed out a little and feel kinda bad when I'm not really set on learning the things I want, but for some reason, despite all this, I can't really convince myself to do it. Like I can't see future me actually reading anything in japanese in two years or whatever. Maybe it's a lack of confidence/discipline or maybe even beginner's doubts but I really can't see myself getting better. I'm also going through this phase with working out because it really does feel like I'm not improving at all. Thank you for the kind advice though.
>>18011764
>>18011830
Alright I'll get to that after I get around ~1k cards in core2k, skim through Tae Kim/kanaqadgtj, and actually read volume 1 of Yotsuba.

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>>18011917
>Alright I'll get to that after I get around ~1k cards in core2k, skim through Tae Kim/kanaqadgtj, and actually read volume 1 of Yotsuba.
If you really can't be fucked with grammar guides, consider the video resources mentioned earlier in the thread.

There's also this:
http://nihongo.monash.edu/kanaqadgtj.html

I would say this page from Tae Kim's guide should be considered essential reading though:
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/slang

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>>18011895
I do use it now for convenience and efficiency, but I started with handwritten vocab books

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おはようおにいちゃん

>>18010972
ほどほどにね

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お前の居場所は俺の隣だもんな

Would "You can be yourself around me" or some variant of "Your place is with me" be a better translation? This is between two characters that're still at the flirting stage so the latter seems a bit too concrete.

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>>18012051
>"Your place is with me"
This but somewhat modified by だもんな.
Doesn't have a good english equivalent but it's like a response/explanation to something, like putting "after all" at the end of a sentence, and kind of softens the seriousness too

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>>18012051
そういうぶすいなことをいうおとこのこは

しんようしないことにしているよ

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How fast should I be going through Tae KIm? I feel like I grasp these grammar rules fairly quickly (yes I know they're basic but still) and I actually remember them... it'd be easier to start reading manga and stuff if I know the grammar and slowly fill in vocab, but I also don't want to rush.

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>>18011917
I had a moment where I realized "if I'd started ten years ago, I'd be fluent by now." It frustrated me, but then I realized "ten years from now, I'll wish I had started learning today." So I downloaded Anki and started up. Getting better is just a matter of focusing. That having been said, if Tae Kim is too long and verbose for you, Sakubi is a pretty fast startup guide to get you reading ASAP. Ignore the meme responses this post will inevitably get, no beginner's guide is perfect and after you get through it you can supplement your learning by looking stuff up as you read. Don't be like me, start sooner rather than later, pic very fucking related.

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Also if I go to a JP bookstore, under what section would Cromartie High School manga be (as in, what is the genre name in Japanese?).

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>>18012106
Just ask the ブック屋さん

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>>18012103
>but then I realized "ten years from now, I'll wish I had started learning today."
This is basically my motivation for a lot of things these days. It may be "healthier" to focus on the excitement of future accomplishments instead of the fear of future disappointments, but it's better than irrational thought patterns of "it's already so late for me".
If you are feeling bad about lack of accomplishment, remember that you can always feel worse as the numbers grow. So start already.

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>>18012132
>>18012103
i wish i hadnt spent my teenage years fucking around the entire time. because of the disgust i feel for myself im driven by pure spite to claw my way up everything I once gave up on, and it feels amazing.

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>mfw started when I was 17
No matter how much I've fucked up over the past years, at least I started early.

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>>18011671
Adults can learn languages faster than kids.

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>>18012147
Hell, me too. But being a teen was a long time ago for me, and back then there were nowhere near as many good, free, easily accessible resources for learning.

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>>18012169
I'm almost 24 and I just started... really the only regret is that I work in a mentally taxing job (not stressful but I use my head a lot) so after 8 hours of that I can't learn stuff.

Then again, when I was 17-22 I was in high school or college which kept me super busy too. So really, this is the best time for me because at least my schedule is predictably.

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why kim-sensei hating on otaku

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I keep mixing up 姉, 妹, and 娘. fuck

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>>18012240
Protip: Don't do that

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>>18012240
Learn radicals.