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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.

Previous thread: >>17960412

>> No.17981286

So can we all agree that Kansai-ben sounds like shit?

>> No.17981289

When spoken by men? Yeah. But it's cute when cute girls do it.

>> No.17981291

Japan is like 0.1% white, what are you complaining about. The only prefecture with more white people you could find is probably Tokyo

>> No.17981292

No, it sounds like shit either way.

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>> No.17981310

Are there any good JP style and composition guides, or do I just gotta kinda pick it up by reading

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>> No.17981336

Fuck, why do I have to wake up so early for JLPT. The test's 8 am and I'm still not asleep at 1 am.

>> No.17981351

>paying money to take a test AND having to wake up early for it

>> No.17981354

It might as well be a separate language, I can't even READ that shit.

>> No.17981357

>TFW taking the JLPT N1 tomorrow
>TFW going to fail
>TFW mom has to drive me there and wait for me

I should kill myself.

>> No.17981370

At least you have a nice mom to take you there.

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>> No.17981374

On the jlpt bus in Saitama, only white dude, sitting next to Arabic speakers with BO and halitosis

>> No.17981377

I'm planning on failing the N3 if that makes you feel any better

>> No.17981378

I'm taking it in kyushu sangyo university.

>> No.17981384

>only white dude
How? Well I guess Saitama isn't exactly gaijin central but still. Are all the other takers Chinese/Korean?

>> No.17981394

Am I the only guy here taking it in my own country

>> No.17981413

>The test's 8 am
Damn dude mine's at 12:30

>> No.17981487

How do you guys get over a slump? I've been trying to read but nothing seems to register anymore. Even tried to the point of forcing myself sometimes just so I could reach my daily reading quota. I feel like taking a break from reading for a week or two but then at mid-day I would feel guilty for not reading, then open up a VN and then I find myself back to square one.

>> No.17981494

Compelling content.

You shouldn't be having to force yourself to read. You should be reading because you enjoy it.

>> No.17981496

Read things that are interesting
Or get a physical book if your problem is getting distracted

>> No.17981569

Take a step down in difficulty level and a step up in interesting content.

>> No.17981571

grammar makes me want to seppuku

at the rate im doing dojg cards i would have finished the entire deck in about a month so im running through it so that im "introduced to it", but holy shit theres some annoying stuff in here to remember. I hope when reading the "rules" that surround so many of these expressions and phrases are picked up on.

>> No.17981578

>waah waah japanese grammar is heeerd
I'd like to see you learn russian or finnish

>> No.17981581
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Why aren't the menus in kanji? It would be so much easier to understand ;_;

>> No.17981584

i know both

>> No.17981585

Basically because Level 5 caters to children.

>> No.17981588

Ahaha yes you do friend, you "know" both of them, as in you studied them for a few months and now think you're a damn master at foreign languages

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Would you recommend Aria (the manga) to someone who is still largely at beginner level?

I can make sense of simpler stuff fairly reliably (something like Yotsuba doesn't really give me any trouble), but things with long sentences and a literary style of writing can give me a pretty hard time. Also, I still don't know many words so anything with a diverse range of vocabulary is going to be challenging.

I was also considering reading Maria†Holic, so if anyone who has read that could comment on its difficulty then I'd appreciate that too.

>> No.17981597

Are there any companies/developers that don't cater to children? Or do I just need to deal with it? Also, it's not like all of it is in kana, the dialogue so far has included kanji -- it's just items and menu terms that are in kana and I hate it.

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>> No.17981611

I'm starting to learn how to read, how easy is ようこそ実力至上主義の教室へ (the novel) to read?

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>> No.17981618

i'm a native finnish speaker

>> No.17981623

I don't know too much about DQ. That could be for historical reasons then, as DQ1-4 were all originally in kana only. Just a cute relic or whatever. Someone who knows more can chime in. And most Level 5 games are known for having furigana with every kanji like in Layton or 妖怪ウォッチ so that is a little strange. But really just do anyone else. I suggest Falcom.

>> No.17981626

Prove it

>> No.17981630

Aria is easy from what I recall. Having watched the anime helps.
I've only seen the anime, but I'd imagine it's not exactly "my first read"-level stuff. That said, it won't hurt to give it a try.

>> No.17981634

Mee nyt jo vittuun siitä senkin kyrpä-homo-vittusaatana :D uskotko nyt betaluuseri

>> No.17981643

Written Finnish looks like what you get when you just mash keys at random on your keyboard.

Well, it's not as bad as written Welsh at least.

>> No.17981644

Alright now prove you know russian

>> No.17981649

So I changed my steps back to the defaults for both new cards and lapses and did a custom study review of forgotten cards before going to bed as the person in the previous thread suggested and today's anki session took 100 minutes instead of the slowly increasing 75-90 minutes that I had had before, and I'm going to have to spend even more time reviewing forgotten cards later. I'll stick with this method for a little while to see if things get better, but considering the amount of time that I spent reviewing forgotten cards yesterday (20 minutes), unless my retention starts to seriously improve from it, I think this method will only be more time consuming.

I'm pretty sure I'll only have 1 or 2 hours of free time on work days, and it seems like I'm going to have to spend the entirety of that on anki, and setting the new word limit lower than 20 isn't even an option to me, I'm not going to get into why. If I were to only read on weekends, would that be sufficient for learning? Would I still be able to reach near-full comprehension of any anime or visual novel within 4 years doing that? I'm literally willing to spend every moment of my time that isn't spent on work, driving to and from work, showering, preparing my meal, eating my meal, shitting, pissing, hygiene, hand-washing, laundry, cleaning, shopping for necessities, or sleeping on learning Japanese, so I sure hope so.

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>written Finnish

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fuck guys im gonna fail the JLPT
i could only answer like 40% of the vocab confidently

>> No.17981657

Install this and set it to 10 seconds or less:

>> No.17981658

I did the 2k pack and now I really don't want to do flashcards anymore. But I don't want to forget what I learned either. Is this the point where I start reading stuff? What is something simple but with a generous amount of kanji? I've also realized that reading something in all kana is harder than reading something with kanji and kana together

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Thank you for the tip; I might give this one a shot after I try and power through a little more of DQ4 -- maybe I'll even get used to the kana which will prepare me for Mother 2.

>> No.17981665

Actually at the test, in my N3 room there were like four other non Asians. On break between sections and the test site is just swarmed with mostly people from the Philippines, China, other unidentifiable Asian and middle eastern. There's probably close to 1% euro/white people that stick out like glowing weeaboo sissies.

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>im gonna fail the JLPT

>> No.17981679

Within four years? Yes, probably. It's more about time and consistency than any magic method. I would keep doing what you're doing, but reevaluate the time you're spending on Anki. Be sure to be getting some grammar in there rather than merely vocab.

>> No.17981684 [DELETED] 

Are the ragheads infiltratting Japan too?

>> No.17981686

Just follow your interests and choose something compelling. But if you wanted a lead-in, you could try a graded reader which are designed for situations like that.

>> No.17981694

Isn't taking photos against the rules

>> No.17981696

Good luck! DQIV is actually one of the very first games I want to play, so if you can get through it well enough that's great news.

>> No.17981716

>DQIV is actually one of the very first games I want to play
Thank you. I believe in you senpai.
Just from the first minute I've already mined a bunch of words that I wasn't able to recognize in kana though.
This will probably help me be able to understand imouto's posts as well.

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>> No.17981754

I already have this installed https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/648362761 and have it set to 20 seconds. If I set it any lower I'll be failing a huge amount of cards and I'll also constantly feel rushed and will get cards I could have gotten correct wrong because of it. I'm retarded so my mind just works slower than other people's. What really takes a lot of time is probably after showing the back of the card. If I get it wrong I have to stare at the word for a while to have any hope of remembering it the next time it shows up. Brute forcing doesn't seem to work for me.

That's good to hear. When mining I include the sentence that I got the word from on the back of the card, and read the sentence any time I have to hit again. Hopefully that will be giving me a decent enough amount of exposure to grammar on weekdays.

>> No.17981779

Honestly, I think you're better off just starting a new deck from scratch. What you're doing now sounds like it's fucked beyond saving.

Try to think about where you went wrong and how to avoid repeating the same mistake(s) again.

Some tips:
- have audio on your cards
- read and listen a lot so you can encounter the words you're learning in more and more new contexts
- try to limit the information on the backs of your cards as much as possible (preferably only 1 or 2 definitions, but if you really must then 3 at the absolute maximum)
- gradually add new cards to your deck (20 a day) instead of bulk adding them by the hundred (this way you remember where the words came from which helps you remember them)
- use a serif/mincho font

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>> No.17981797

I found this cool news channel if anyone's interested. I think it just streams on forever. The speaking speed is pretty slow and it's great listening practice, much easier to understand than a lot of other news programs.


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While reading yotsuba in japanese and comparing with an english translation, I noticed some panels were different. I suppose one of them is a newer edition. Is this common in manga?
Pic related.

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>> No.17981838

I'll follow your advice. Thanks.

>> No.17981845

>and comparing with an english translation
Don't do that. The scanlation of Yotsuba is terrible.

There's an official translation of it which is better. Use the scans of that instead.

>> No.17981883

Just woke up (6:30) to catch my train to go to another city to take the test. Couldn't sleep well, I'm smashed, T_T. Test begins in a little more than 6 hours. Hopefully I'll last.

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>> No.17981938

Guys, taking JLPT later today, just to make sure, there is no negative points if you answer a question wrong, right? So if I'm unsure or out of time, it's a good idea to fill a random answer, right?

>> No.17981981

I learned more grammar than is covered in DOJG, with a higher degree of accuracy and naturalness than can be acquired by skill building, by casually reading manga for a month.

>> No.17981982

>dojg cards
Another one fell for the meme.

Always sad to see. Alas.

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>> No.17981996

Just like all standardized tests, just guess if you don't know.

>> No.17982005

Which? Recommend some why don't you

>> No.17982009

It really doesn't matter what you pick as long as you can understand what's happening in the story. Even if you barely know any of the words the characters are using. Grammar is just that easy to learn by exposure.

>> No.17982013

But I want to be just like senpai so we have something to talk about.

>> No.17982015

Thanks. Just had to be sure.

>> No.17982017

If you're really curious, the first thing I read to completion was the first volume of ながされて藍蘭島, but I switched to reading random stuff after that.

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>> No.17982035

>When mining I include the sentence that I got the word from on the back of the card, and read the sentence any time I have to hit again.

Including the sentence is good because sometimes it is interesting to remember where you mined words from, but it isn't something you should care about when reviewing. You are probably wasting a ton of time by doing that and not getting much benefit from it.

>> No.17982065

>and read the sentence any time I have to hit again.
>any time I have to hit again
>wasting a ton of time
...not him, but I put sentences on the front and read the entire thing for all of my cards. It takes me ~30 minutes to get through 180-200 cards.

>> No.17982069

The idea was that it might help me to remember a word if I hammered the context that I found it used in into my head, but yeah, you're probably right about its cost in time outweighing its benefit. I'll stop doing it, except maybe for cards that seem like they're on their way to becoming a leech.

>> No.17982081

I actually think it's a good idea to have the sentence and review it so you can rely on that instead of your native language or English. It's like you're picturing what is happening and associating that directly with the Japanese.

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hey DJT does Steins Gate make for a good first VN to start reading in 日本語?

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is this a decent way to translate this meme?

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The weak should fear the strong.

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Yeah I'm just unsure if 強い者 can be generic enough to be like "the weak" or if it's more like "weak people" which isn't as good.

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>> No.17982187

This was asked pretty recently, but no not really.

In general it's not difficult (especially if you already know the story) but there are stretches of text in the form of SCIENCE that are way too dense for a beginner.

You could just skim those sections, but why not read C;C (which is much easier) instead. But a warning: both VNs are long, since you're supposed to do every route.

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>> No.17982191

I imagine the chuunibyou, memes, and science would complicate things, but I haven't read it

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>> No.17982217

>not using dojg cards as a sentence deck
i see you falled for the isolation vocabulary meme

>> No.17982219

>sentence deck
i see you followed for the ankidroning instead of consuming input meme

>> No.17982224

comprehensible input*

>> No.17982228

sentence decks are not input
anything you try to memorize is not input

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Wait so if you accidentally leave an answer blank it counts as a negative? I don't get it.
Taking N2 in about 10 hours and nervous as f*g and looking at a previous years test pages jlpt has up on their site. I'm confused on how you're supposed to mark your answer for the listening section. There are no boxes to fill in so do you just circle the numbers?

>> No.17982231

google says you are wrong

>> No.17982235

Unanswered = no points
Wrong choice = no points
Correct choice = points

>> No.17982239

O-oh ok I'm not ESL I swear the nervousness is just impacting my reading comprehension!

>> No.17982241

google is wrong

>> No.17982263

Learn how to write したがって in kanji.

>> No.17982267

従って? I already know that one

>> No.17982312

This appeared earlier kek

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>> No.17982316

Have any tests/answers been leaked yet?

>> No.17982325

t. cheater

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>having to cheat at JLPT

>> No.17982359

No shame.

>> No.17982438

Let's say someone can kinda read yotsuba after doing the reading pack, how much harder would it be for that person to read nukige?

>> No.17982442

the hardest thing will be a test of patience

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So I'm trying to scum my way through this nameplate and got に, more likely than しこ, and ん but I have no clue what it's trying to say altogether from the middle. Any ideas?

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>> No.17982466

if this is a troll then it's brilliant

>> No.17982468


Between easy and impossible. No matter what "ge", you will always have some with complicated language and some with easy language. And a ton in between.

>> No.17982471

Don't be mean to newfriends, they're cute.

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>> No.17982521

How is mining nukige compared to just mining the typical recommendations of VN's for a beginner?

>> No.17982528

Try it and tell us. You needn't be afraid my dear, it certainly won't cause thee any permanent damage.

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>> No.17982611

been a year since i studied kana fucked off to nowhere

now, i refreshed on it started to work on Anki
I'm on Day 2 in Anki core2k/6k.

any good learning videos to go with this? im currently viewing nama sensei's

looking to have a good conversation with an idol next time I meet her again on the cheki lines

>> No.17982626

How do I get rid of my aversion to writing Japanese by hand? I just want to type everything but need to do my work for class.

>> No.17982656

just start writing down vocabs or something

why do you guys always feel the need to ask questions that you already know the answer to
do you really need the confirmation of random strangers so badly

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>> No.17982697

Hey what's c;c, do you mean chaos;head?

>> No.17982699

Fuck that 初心者 noise, let's talk about the kanji

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>> No.17982750

Need to solve language riddle, help.


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>> No.17982764

N3 listening was fucking brutal man. I had to guess 70% of the time because of how fast they were talking. It didn't help that the sound quality was complete shit as well. Vocab and grammar/reading was easy though.

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>tfw literally zoned out for half of the listening questions

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>the last one where they asked two questions at once

>> No.17982809

Why don't you just go back?

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me during the entire test
especially when i saw some chinks getting red carded for cheating

>> No.17982821

>not signing up for the JLPT in two different places on earth so you can cheat

>> No.17982835

My plan is to write down what they're saying as i'm listening.

>> No.17982900

remember that if you are using default anki setting you are wasting your time and overtesting yourself on too many cards

>> No.17982903

the only anki setting you need to change is the review cap, everything else is unambiguously fine

>> No.17982954

let's say you fail a sixth month card, it makes zero sense to restart from day one

>> No.17982961

It does though because if you fail it then you clearly didn't learn it properly

>> No.17982963

Yea that's true. It makes sense to put up a low non-default new interval. Nevertheless even if you fail it, chances are you know the card decently well and won't waste more than a second each time it appears in review so it probably doesn't matter.

>> No.17982964

oh yeah anki has a bunch of inefficiencies with how it handles unnecessary flunking

you can't really fix them without breaking necessary flunking tho, it's too simple in the wrong places

there's no reason to restart at day zero

you clearly managed to succeed the two/three month step, which means you've been seeing the card quite fine for quite a while, you obviously know it better than you'll know a brand new card

>> No.17983002

And here we have another /int/ sexpat who doesn't watch anime

>> No.17983074

Is 僕 appropriate for a guy in their twenties?

>> No.17983075

Is moogy Canadian? I saw someone exactly like him in line for n1.
Also, travelling all night before writing the exam was not a good idea. I am running on nothing but caffeine at this point.

>> No.17983078

"doesn't watch enough anime" would be more realistic

>> No.17983083

If you aren't using 俺様 or 吾輩 or something you might just as well print eternal 童貞 on your forehead.

>> No.17983105

Magazine chapter scans vs 単行本 rips. Scanlators and EOPs tend to consume manga on a chapter release basis, so the volumes are usually left unscanlated.
Sometimes the volumes are the chapters arranged into a single collection with almost no editing but other times the mangaka makes design and layout changes, dialogue alterations, etc.

>> No.17983109

Volumes also often have extras that expand on plot contrivances or worldbuilding. For example, the extras in the end of the first volume of Where Satans Fear To Tread show that it takes place in the same world as Zettai Reiiki.

>> No.17983114

No you didn't.

>> No.17983120

I did.

>> No.17983143

Anything comprehensible is input, be it Anki cards, street signs, novels or shampoo bottle labels. You're one of the resident autistic cunts who will likely be here for years while those people you spend hours a day trying to argue with with have gone on to acquire the language.

How many years have you spent shitting up djt?

>> No.17983156

>Anything comprehensible is input
congratulations, you have language learning science backwards

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Hey /djt/, looking to read 蛍火の灯る頃に but I can't seem to find it anywhere, it's not in the resources or on torrent websites.
Thought you could maybe help me out here?

>> No.17983172

Being comprehensible is a requirement to being input. It does not turn something into input. Movies with no speech in them at all can be entirely comprehensible. This doesn't make them input.

Similarly, things that are extremely familiar to you on every level are less and less deserving of being called input the more familiar you are with them, because you process them less linguistically the more you're familiar with them. You process them as this particular thing you know.

Sentence cards, unless highly randomized, are exactly this kind of thing. Not only do they contain a very narrow amount of linguistic information, you become familiar with the structure of each individual sentence. After five or so repetitions you stop processing them linguistically unless you force yourself to. They stop being input.

>> No.17983201

>sentence deck
Another meme.

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How fast do reviews decrease in Anki anyway? I thought I'd go to a fraction of my usual reviews in like a week of no new cards but I've been doing no new cards for 3 months for 2329 cards and I am still doing +50 reviews at +80% retention every single day and it's just not going down. Forecast says I already have another 500 lined up for the next month and after this month is over it's surely going to be 1000 again. It just feels like these reviews are never decreasing.

>> No.17983215

If you stop adding cards they decay exponentially.

>> No.17983217

>50 reviews
the horror

Why have you disabled new cards for such a long time?

>> No.17983219

The more mature cards you have the slower the decay is. Sorry. That's just how it is.

>> No.17983229

>Why have you disabled new cards for such a long time?
I have no more new cards. Those are Kanji production cards. I do occasionally add some though if I find a Kanji interesting.

So what, we are plagued to do Anki forever then?

>> No.17983243

You'll drop anki eventually when you don't need it anymore. It's not like the spacing effect is an objective measure of memory decay. Once the spacing gets longer than however often you see the thing naturally, it stops being important to review that thing in Anki.

>> No.17983260

Your Japanese is a fucking abysmal, retard. You're the personification of mount stupid.

>> No.17983262

I don't know how you think you know me. I don't have an online identity.

>> No.17983266

Your particular brand of stupidity shines through in every sentence you write, sakubi. It's unmistakable.

>> No.17983272

I don't even know who sakubi is.

>> No.17983279

Is it possible to do check for duplicates in Anki using fields other than the first one?

>> No.17983282

>is a fucking abysmal

>> No.17983292

Browse -> Edit -> Find Duplicates -> Select Field
I wonder, is it really so hard to find?

>> No.17983295

It is.

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>> No.17983311

>543 words with at least two duplicate entries
This is why mining is dangerous.

>> No.17983402
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What a difference doing your reps immediately after waking up and having breakfast makes.

>> No.17983413

I do one of my decks during breakfast and the rest when I'm back home from work.

>> No.17983422
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"Is the child who was able to greet properly"? Isn't there a less roundabout way to say that? In Japanese that is.

>> No.17983441

You said it in a pretty round-about way in English.

>> No.17983446

Its only 4 words in japanese

>> No.17983476

was a kid who knew how to greet properly

>> No.17983494

>JLPT day
>Fucking ace the written sections
>Listening begins
>Used to listening through $200 autistic manchild headphones
>It's a fucking 80's boom box
>I get more noise from the thing rumbling than the content itself.
>Sitting at the corner of the room with air conditioner blasting my ears
So how hard is it again to get to the section minimum by pure chance?
RIP, will try again next year

>> No.17983508

>air con in fucking december

>> No.17983509

They let you use your own headphones if you ask.

>> No.17983526

Gotta deal with the smell.

>> No.17983530

>get riggable headphones
>rig it
>right ear listening to the actual content
>left ear listening to all of lingosteve's videos
This is how you get N1.

>> No.17983531

Some places use air con to warm up the air during winter

>> No.17983560

But Steve thinks that JLPT is a waste of time and not a true measure of skill.

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He's not wrong, you know.

>> No.17983594
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>tfw on N3 test break right now

>> No.17983600

JLPT results when?

>> No.17983616

in your heart you already know

>> No.17983640

When i started reading it usually took me 20 minutes of forced reading to get into the zone where i could actually understand shit.
I don't know why.

>> No.17983641


I live in the UK and air con pretty much doesn't exist here, so I don't really know much about it. I thought it was only for reducing temperatures.

>> No.17983648

Is it better to read easier shit and gradually move towards harder stuff while wasting time on grinding what you already know and having false impression of one's skill, or is it better to take longer steps and be constantly under attack by unknown words/phrases and spending time on looking for their meaning while feeling extremely disappointed at one's skill?

>> No.17983656

Do both.

>> No.17983658

just read qualia the purple
the main protagonist is a living edgefest so that should make it easier to read
when they get onto muh science and muh philosophy it toughens up a bit

>> No.17983663

I doubt it. From what I gather, Nitro+ stuff is supposed to be pretty hard.

>> No.17983669

Huh, didn't think of that. It might actually help me retain my sanity and learn some new things nonetheless.

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>> No.17983692

>tfw old Vietnamese man that took N2 with me last year is with me again this year

>> No.17983695

Give him your info and start drinking together. It'll be fun!

>> No.17983720

Really? Is that mandatory for all test sites? Where I took the test nobody asked for that and I don't even know how it would be viable, given the device they used for the occasion.

Southern hemisphere. Cost of headphones is converted to dollars to save you the trouble of googling shithole currency.

>> No.17983734

Well no, it varies. Sometimes they just have it playing through speakers in the front of the room and don't use headphones at all.

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>> No.17983744
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As someone who has terrible fine motor skills and has trouble writing down English, writing kana/kanji is a nightmare. I'm working through it though.

Also Tae Kim is awesome.

>> No.17983763

Muramasa isn't that good..It's okay.

>> No.17983773
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so as a beginner who just started mining, I shouldn't worry too much about not understanding 50+% of a sentence, I should just stick to it and i'll gradually improve, no matter what i'm reading?

>> No.17983782
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I'm tired of Window's shitty IME.
Has anyone tried any alternatives?

Seems promising but if someone knows good software that's not botnet, I would appreciate it.

>> No.17983792

I think most people use Google IME. It's just fine.

>> No.17983800

>has one word for "to smile" + "to laugh"
>has a million variations of "condition"

>> No.17983801

What's wrong with it? It works fine for me.

>> No.17983810

>>has one word for "to smile" + "to laugh"
this isn't true though

>>has a million variations of "condition"
if you're talking about 状況 and 状態, that's because of translingual definitions sucking, not because they mean the same thing. they mean very different things.

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>> No.17983831
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As a complete beginner, you're probably not going to find anything that doesn't give you a pretty hard time. If you stick at it though, you will improve. Your best bet is probably to go for stuff which has a reputation here for being relatively simple and just read as much of it as you can.

A picture like this which you can quickly reference while reading to refresh your memory might make life a bit easier. Maybe someone else has a better one.

>> No.17983836

The botnet in Google IME is supposedly disabled by default.


>> No.17983845

>Cloud Handwriting
Oh shit. Time to switch.

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>> No.17983888

Thanks, I'll just use that.

I've found it's not very good for longer sentences which makes me space it out more. It also doesn't recognize some harder japanese like 蛙鳴蝉噪 which Google IME is doing fine.

>> No.17983928

I've come to the realization that VNs are just kind of a shitty medium in general

>> No.17983952
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This is a typo, not some pun or something, right?

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>> No.17984031

Would White Album 2 be a good VN to read for a beginner?

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>> No.17984077
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How many dark people do you see there?

>> No.17984084
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>a year into japanese and I still haven't read every dojg entry

>> No.17984085

You probably know half of the ones you haven't met yet already.

>> No.17984105

Why would you want to? Its explanations are an overcomplicated mess. HJGP is much better.

>> No.17984110

The vocabulary isn't bad but Maruto's sentences are way more complex than your average moege (at least in my experience) so I wouldn't recommend it for a beginner at all.

>> No.17984126
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How is this plan for getting me through Genki in a short time frame? I don't learn well with just TK and Anki.

>> No.17984129

Unless you want to review what you've learned already there's not much point. If you really want to make TK stuff stick, find something to "read" and try to identify and understand the grammar points in various sentences.

>> No.17984202

Does anyone remember a few answers to some of the questions in the listening part of N3? Like the one where they're explaining why a certain hotel is so popular, because it has a nice view, right? Please share some answers cause the listening part made me doubt so much and I can't stand it.

>> No.17984234

I know it's a bit of a meme but interpals is fairly ok to get people to send you stuff to read. I have a girl that sends me voice message for me to practice.

>> No.17984235

Imagine unironically believing this

>> No.17984315

I'm on break from taking the test. I know I failed. I don't think I'll take it again. I don't even know what's the point of it in the first place. If you're able to speak Japanese you don't need a certificate saying you do you just speak it. I got memed into wasting $60.

>> No.17984339

Everything but the lessons themselves are a waste of time. Don't do any of that audio, writing or exercise bullshit.

>> No.17984348

what level?

>> No.17984353

At least you realised, even if it was too late.

>> No.17984355

working for jap employer meme in case they dont know you in person
a man can dream

>> No.17984399

Is Dragon Ball a good second manga after Yotsubato?

>> No.17984402

You didn't get meme'd into anything, bro. You're just bad. Accept that fact.

>> No.17984404
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If you really know your stuff a test won't be able to make you fail no matter how convoluted it is. You clearly weren't the "level" of the JLPT test you took if you already feel you failed, so instead of whining go back to study.

>> No.17984407

getting a foot in the door often is the most important step in whatever you want to do, so having the JLPT is certainly better than not having it in this regard

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>> No.17984423
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Is there any way to extract the data from the anki Core 2k deck?

I want to make an excel "flash card" (more like textbook) for my learning. I don't always have the time to go through a whole rep in Anki/AnkiDroid, and I'm more used to learning on paper than on anything else.

I'm not saying I won't use Anki ever, I'm just getting less and less time to do so.

>> No.17984435

Export notes to text, include tags.

>> No.17984501

On a related note, is anyone else reading One Piece as second/third manga? It's a pretty steep jump from Yotsubato, but atleast I learn how to speak like a pirate, because that is my dream

>> No.17984531

sauce on the pic?

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>> No.17984569

what type of company are you hoping to work for? are you worried about the work-life balance being non-existent?

>> No.17984606

I just spotted a typo in my eroge! That's kind of cool but also concerning. What if some lines I had and will have trouble with were just badly written or mistyped?
Makes you think

>> No.17984632

How long did you guys study at a time? I'm just beginning and reading Tae Kim grammar + doing some Anki as well as talking to some JP friends.

Do you study everyday for a few hours without breaks?

>> No.17984643

The best gendered Japanese speech is when it's both genders at the same time.

>> No.17984658

> How long did you guys study at a time?
Anki reviews, then go through several lessons from Tae/Sakubi. Like 1-2 hours a day. After finishing guides I moved on to reading stuff.

>> No.17984670
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To anyone has read this novel, what is this screen? What should I click?

>> No.17984674

Pick at random. Just like russian roulette IRL. YOLO.

>> No.17984697

so it's a character select?

>> No.17984710

I have no idea, I didn't even open the image past its thumbnail.

>> No.17984726

>tfw actually tried Duolingo just to see how it is
it's horrible, at least for Japanese. It straight up doesn't feel like you're learning anything except for a few characters at best

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>> No.17984790

So I got really lucky and I've been attending courses taught by a native Japanese guy which, by some miracle, started this October in my small hometown. Though the progress is a little slow to my liking and we are following Genki lessons, I gotta say I'm enjoying them a lot. Also the teacher is kinda amazing, he's a 70 year old guy who speaks fluent English and also knows Arabic, French and I think Spanish? Sorry for blogging but I felt like sharing this.


>> No.17984800

I'm actually jealous of that situation even though it's probably bullshit and classroom textbooks are awful.

>> No.17984820

I think I passed the N2 lads.

>> No.17984824

I'm with you my friend I still cannot believe it's happening although it's been already two months. At the beginning there were 30 people attending the course but after they learned the hard way they are taught in English and not our native language it went down to around 12 now so it's pretty comfy.

I am really respectful of the teacher though, he's 70, looks like 50, speaks really good English for Japanese standards, without messing up L's and R's (sometimes it happens) and his wife is helping him out during the lessons. Like playing the scenes from Genki for us, writing stuff on the whiteboard and having the most natural sounding, clear voice ever

>> No.17984838
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You didn't pass the JLPT.

>> No.17984841

filters are going nuts lately, is there a resurgence of WK shilling or JLPT shit going down?

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>> No.17984846

日本語能力試験 was today.

>> No.17984855
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Sorry but I took steve's special japanese course, there's no way I can fail.

>> No.17984859

Ah I see. They already have /int/ to themselves but they still come here

>> No.17984867

You know that little cross that you can click to show a hidden post? Use it
Also why are you filtering J-LPT and how is it related to wanikani?

>> No.17984870

Eh, it's only twice a year anyway.

>> No.17984882

Why do people get so triggered at the japanese proficiency test? Does it remind them that they're a failure who'll never get anything accomplished in their entire life?

>> No.17984889

>Also why are you filtering J-LPT and how is it related to wanikani?
its not really related, just some of the few filters I use
at the height of shilling, it was pretty obnoxious
and JLPT tests are more suited to /int/ learners that need it for resumes and job applications, real world shit and not otaku culture
but like this guy says >>17984870 its not a big deal, they're an easily excitable bunch, like a small dog

>> No.17984893

Apparently it was the JLPT exam day today.

I can scarcely believe how many suckers there are in these threads. I'm hoping most of them just came from /int/ seeking an extra opportunity to spam their blogshit and garner attention.

>> No.17984915

Anyone here who studied radicals before kanji? Not really doing good at just Anki'ing kanji with English words - figured that maybe the radical approach would work better for me.

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>> No.17984919

do you live with your parents?

>> No.17984921

>someone actually tries to do something with their japanese knowledge
>heh! what a sucker! i bet he also thinks about his future and improving his life! *masturbates to weird fetish anime porn*

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>> No.17984926

>tfw spent the day mining instead of taking a meme proficiency test
feels great actually

>> No.17984934

damm we really do have some bad /intfestation/
seems a purge is in order

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>> No.17984949

You pick scenes. There's even a popup that explains it, though.

>> No.17984953

does steve even know japanese? he seems like one of those twats who learns 10 romance languages that are all have related vocabulary and grammar and calls himself a polyglot and the highest authority on learning languages

t. never watched his videos

>> No.17984957

I think it doesn't matter even if he didn't, its his approach to learning that is looked on favorably here
he goes straight for the throat, so to speak

>> No.17984965

He was a diplomat of something related to commerce/industry. In fact he thought that watakushi was a completely normal pronoun.

>> No.17984966

>I'm insecure and need an authority figure to validate my accomplishments for me! *pays $60 to take an exam*

>> No.17984973

Don't talk about steve like that, peasant. You will never even come close to his greatness.

>> No.17984974

He lived in Japan for 9 years and ran a business there.

He has a bunch of videos on his channel which are entirely in Japanese.

>> No.17985019


I knew didn't have what it takes before I left the door. I wasn't gonna bother showing up but the money was already spent.

Nonetheless it was an interesting experience. My proctor's were more serious than the SAT. And idk why there so many guys there. Are weeb the only one taking this?

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>> No.17985100

Mixture of normal looking dudes, Chinese, and Koreans here in Atlanta. Few girls as well. One really cute Asian girl too.

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>> No.17985125

What is this girl from? An incredibly ugly textbook?

>> No.17985131

>update iOS
>tae kim breaks because it hasn't been updated since 2014 and doesn't work with iOS 11

wow great looks like i'm not going to learn grammar

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>> No.17985136

you need to go back

>> No.17985146

just use the website
if you can't then download an offline copy of sakubi or something, despite the memes it's not that different from tae kim, but fits on a single HTML page

>> No.17985156

dekinai-chan gets posted on /int/ all the time though

>> No.17985182

is tae kim app just the website in app form? what's the benefit over using Safari then?

>> No.17985190

full offline usage i assume
not them

>> No.17985243

it has the guide and a kanji list and if you clicked on a word in a sentence in the guide it shows the meaning

i'll just read the pdf on my computer eventually but reading it while bus riding was convenient

>> No.17985372

Yeah, I ended up going back to doing it half-way through today's session. Not only does it seem to help me to remember and give me a better understanding of the meaning of the word and how it's used, it also makes anki a little less dull.

>> No.17985379

Anyone else take N1 today? It was significantly harder than any practice test I've taken. What the fuck.

>> No.17985422

We alredy talked about JLPT 10 times over now, please stop.

>> No.17985424

For N2 what was with that question about the eraser. Was he asking why when you erase it doesn't completely go away? And it works in a similar way to watercolor? I don't even know.

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>> No.17985492

>Stop talking about the Japanese Certification Test in the Japanese thread, on the day of the test

Listen, you fucking uneducated, under-employed, autistic moron. Some people need to take the certification to show employers their Japanese proficiency. Some of us actually contribute to society, unlike you who struggles to reach N2 level proficiency in your mom's fucking basement. Fucking VN playing, life-wasting trash.

Fucking neck yourself, you abortion. You're nothing.

>> No.17985494

That's great. Congratulations. How are you finding Genki over something like just reading Tae Kim?

>> No.17985495

Get the dead tree book from Amazon.

>> No.17985545

>Some people need to take the certification to show employers their Japanese proficiency.
Some scammer from Kenya got a job at Sony in Japan without taking the JLPT.

Just because you fell for the meme doesn't mean everyone is is so stupid. I know you're desperate to justify the time, money and effort you wasted on this nonsense to yourself, but you really need to take a step back for a moment and look at how pathetic you're acting.

>> No.17985561

>Some scammer from Kenya got a job at Sony in Japan without taking the JLPT
I-i don't believe this

>> No.17985577

IIRC I think that's what it was. He was wondering why the pen can't be erased but the pencil can. The pencil's markings sit on top of the paper, and but the pen's ink permeates through the paper.

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>and but
Too much Japanese today. 英語できない

>> No.17985586

>Some guy allegedly cheated one time
>Therefore certifications are useless

Meanwhile many companies in Japan and even the government are asking for JLPT certifications to work in Japan.

Just stop talking, you VN-playing, manchild scum. Let the adults discuss the real world and go back to your picture books with voices.

>> No.17985594

It's slow and I don't like the romanji transcription into speech instead of written language, but it's not bad. Tae Kim is special because it doesn't teach you the language with another one in mind but entirely pure Japanese from the ground.

>> No.17985595

>actually replying to the retarded crossboarding faggot

Why do you do this?

>> No.17985623

go back to /int/ normie scum btw reported have fun getting banned

>> No.17985642

guys i think はなひら isn't meaningful input to me, are there any easy to digest VN that isn't about stupid schoolgirl yuri?

>> No.17985668 [DELETED] 

Nice arguments.

Also, forgive me for invading your Japanese learning thread with Japanese test questions. Dumb fuck manchild.

>> No.17985674

I think I got it right then. I'm trying to remember what the other questions were. There was the one where the boy wondered why humans don't have wings. There was the one where there were two texts talking about how it is better to praise children for their hard work and that adults deserve praise too, even it they're doing something ordinary.
There were words I had never seen before in the vocabulary section. Fucking hell.

>> No.17985675

>thread about consuming japanese cartoon media to learn japanese for consumption of more japanese cartoon media
>"stop talking you VN-playing manchild scum"

>> No.17985680

Use the fucking report button ください

>> No.17985681

>falling for the bait
>not taking it easy

>> No.17985682

Anyone have any idea where I can get my hands on some Ultra Jump Quarterlies without paying through the teeth to collectors? I wouldnt mind waiting a while for it to ship from Japan, but if anyone has a secret stash in the US, thatd be great too.

>> No.17985686

You remember more than I do.
That very last question in the reading question though was the only one where I had no idea what the fuck it was asking.
A couple of the listening questions were surprisingly difficult too. It was really dense.

>> No.17985709

>That very last question
Was that the one were it was a table and it asked which one should the person pick? I think it was the business course on Friday or something but she wanted to have another course in addition to that and there was one option for that.
Fuck the listening section. I didn't know what was even going on for some of them.

>> No.17985725

Weekly or quarterlies really. Of anything, not just UJ, would be nice...

>> No.17985733

>Was that the one were it was a table and it asked which one should the person pick?
The one right after that. Something about new employees and the question sort of went, "What should they do next?" and I had no idea.
>Fuck the listening section
The ones where the answers were written down weren't too bad, but the 3 or 4 that didn't were really tough. I think I guessed on all of them.
The simple prompts and choose the reply ones were not that bad either imo.
The long ass passages were a doozy. I had to take notes to keep track of everything.

>> No.17985739

>not reporting bait because you could ruin somenone's day by getting them banned

>> No.17985746

>The one right after that. Something about new employees and the question sort of went, "What should they do next?" and I had no idea.
Oh that one. Yeah I guessed on that one. I reread it several times but I came up with nothing.
I guess my listening skills have deteriorated lately because I thought I was pretty decent at it. And I regret not taking notes. I couldn't remember which こうざ was which.

>> No.17985781

>VN playing scum
Wow, fuck off back to /int/ fucking adult date raping Chad

>> No.17985846

believing in a chad virgin dichotomy makes you a literal cuck
i bet you like NTR

>> No.17985849

What's the difference between すしはおいしくない and すしはおいしいでない?

>> No.17985873
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not grammatical

>> No.17985875

I feel like I need to just make a separate deck for all the shitty little kana-only words. Kanji makes meanings so much easier to remember somehow.

>> No.17985880

Kana only words is more about hearing it and context than reading it

>> No.17985908

This link is often posted in the 07th expansion/Seacats threads and seems to be updated after each new scan.

>> No.17985920

I see. I am still on iOS 10 and will stay there because i have a 5s and 11 will probably kill my phone.

So I'll try it out.

Lucky. I live in a big city but the courses (by natives as well) are expensive-ish and mostly during work hours (!?).

>> No.17985982

new thread when

>> No.17985987

In 2 days or so.

>> No.17985995

some of the stuff on the n1 i couldn't do in english honestly

i failed similar sections on the SAT multiple times

>> No.17985997

think you have the wrong thread here bud

>> No.17986017

What kind of pirates do they even actually speak like, is it a westaboo impression of European and American pirates, or like Asian pirates?

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should i do it bros?

>> No.17986025

Duolingo is pretty much the best of its class, the problem is just that its entire class, Duolingo, Babbel, and Rosetta Stone are all complete bunk and their method at very best just teaches you a basic phrasebook's worth of the language. At least it's not ungodly expensive like Rosetta Stone

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>> No.17986115

Absolutely. Anime fans like ourselves need as much help making friends as we can get.

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desu i might do this one though i feel like I can make more progress by myself. that said, nothing replaces talking with native speakers (the teachers) and having a good teacher.

>> No.17986149

As someone who took a Jap class in University, I can tell you that you'll make more progress learning by yourself than you will in a class. I took 2 semesters worth of Japanese and I was only taught about 50 kanji and almost all the grammar was stuff I could've learned from Tae Kim in a couple weeks.

Unless you really care about speaking and writing, taking a Japanese class is really useless. And even then, you can practice speaking in other venues than to pay for a class.

>> No.17986158

You're not going to gain anything from speaking at the pathetic level of grammar and vocabulary that course is limited to.

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Those of you using manga as your reading material, how many chapters do you usually read a day?

>> No.17986191

It depends, sometimes 0, sometimes 20. However, if you're at the level where you need all the reading practice you can get, I suggest going for one volume a day.

>> No.17986205

This is a complete waste of time and money.

>20 lessons just on the first 5 chapters of Genki
Seriously, what the fuck.

>> No.17986218

Right now, I'm struggling to get myself through more than 5 chapters a day because the effort involved in looking up words makes the process too tedious for me to keep up for any protracted length of time.

I wind up wanting to take a break pretty much after every chapter.

>> No.17986229

Do you use kanjimoto?

>> No.17986257

Someone suggested it a few threads ago but it doesn't work on my OS.

>> No.17986259


Is he saying
>Well, it's not normal having to ask somebody to be your friend over and over again.

He's talking about how he has stopped asking his friend (who loses her memories of him every monday) to be his friend on Mondays.

I don't really get the 何回も paired with the 言うことじゃない in this sentence.

>> No.17986283

Read VNs or novels with a texthooker then.

>> No.17986297

I read Flyable Heart but after that I couldn't find anything which I wanted to read that would run on my VM.

>> No.17986298

>>Well, it's not normal having to ask somebody to be your friend over and over again.

Yup, that's what he's saying.

>> No.17986300

guys. I need help. It's been over a year and a half somehow (FUCK my life) since I learned the Kana and I got completely lost what to do after that. It fucking sucks knowing I could be speaking and having conversations and reading things in Japanese right now if I had kept up. I need to know where to start again and continue into actually learning. I know I'm kind of asking for spoon feeding bullshit, but if you'd be so kind as to put the spoon in my mouth with choochoo train noises, I'd really appreciate it. More direct than just telling me to read the guide?

>> No.17986305

Just give up, seriously. Not everybody is cut out for this.

>> No.17986306

Fuck you nigger I had a girlfriend and we were having serious problems, and then I fell into a serious depression and had literal open heart surgery earlier this year. Now I'm ready to get back at it for real.

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>> No.17986319

literally just read the guide

>> No.17986331

Thanks a lot. How would you explain the 言うことじゃない, though? What "isn't to say"? "Normalcy"(普通)?

>> No.17986343

I don't understand. What's ツレ in the first place.

>> No.17986379

What do you mean? The 言うことじゃない is referring to the previous line you quoted regarding asking someone to be your friend. Your translation is exactly on point.

>> No.17986388

I remember you. Are you assuming all VNs over a certain resolution or release date will crash just because one or two did? It shouldn't taken any serious resources to display a fucking picture and text unless the game engine is outstandingly shit.

>> No.17986415

I tried more than one or two.

Seriously, VMs are just shit at anything to do with DirectX, OpenGL and so on. Even Flyable Heart had problems where the backgrounds kept disappearing and I would have to save and reload to get them back.

Doesn't help that my PC is getting on in years now and my CPU fan is semi-broken.

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>> No.17986435

there are so many vns out there. just read parfait or something. old, easy, not too long, generally regarded as one of the best moege ever.

>> No.17986449

I'm not sure I'd consider any Maruto VN "easy" for a beginner.

>> No.17986455


Well, if I had to give a more literal translation, I would think of this:

>Well, normally, it's not the fact that you say please be my friend over and over again.

The part that sounds weird and/or idiomatic to me is the "it's not the fact" (ことじゃない). Why didn't he just end the sentence with 言わない?

>> No.17986457

I know there are lots of old VNs, but I couldn't really find any that I wanted to read which also seemed like they'd be at my level.

I came across Parfait but it didn't really sound like my sort of thing.

>> No.17986459

nothing is easy for a beginner. you'll learn a ton while playing it though and have a good time doing it. it probably is the easiest maruto

>> No.17986476

Since you said you liked mystery, someone in the VN thread was praising Kawarazaki-ke no Ichizoku 2. I don't know about the difficulty but it's old.

>> No.17986483

Well, N1 reading was ezpz, think I did reasonably well on vocab/grammar as well, but... I got utterly fucked on the listening section. Guess that's what I get for doing nothing but reading VNs. Whatever, only need 19 points per section anyway.

>> No.17986494

It's not hard.

>> No.17986573

is sentence mining a meme?

>> No.17986620

It sounds like it would be unless there are some sentences you want to memorize verbatim. Mining quotes might be worth it.

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>> No.17986684

In America we also drop a ball on New Year's.

>> No.17986715

Im guessing that Im too stupid to use VNDB or something, but I see a lot of VN recommendations, but where do we GET the VNs?

>> No.17986719

nyaa, anime-sharing, animebytes if you have an account

>> No.17986737

What do the Kosoado -iu's mean?
Tae Kim has nothing on it.

>> No.17986740

we are not /qa/ dude

>> No.17986777

I'm around the past tense section of Tae Kim's grammar guide. If he's kinda confusing to me will Sakubi be any better? Could/should I read both concurrently?

>> No.17986791

It's the same thing but even shorter than TK

>> No.17986794

Read the guide until you understand each grammar point, or at least are able to recognize it in the wild. Begin doing Core 2k in Anki. If you need something more hand-holdy, work your way through a textbook. You can learn Japanese, senpai.

>> No.17986795

Just reread until you understand, or look for example sentences of the past tense elsewhere.

>> No.17986798

you can also sometimes find rarer ones on warosu. usually the vn thread uploading requests (or just request there but make sure you really can't find it elsewhere first)

>> No.17986804


>> No.17986822 [DELETED] 

has anyone here developed an intense hatred for EOP's?

I feel absolute disgust when I see my acquaintances discuss anime and (i haven't told them I'm learning Japanese) I say something about watching anime without subs, and this fucking pleb that I used to call my best friend 10 years ago says he can understand anime when he has watched less than 200 series and doesn't even know hiragana and probably has a vocabulary consisting of only nani?, kawaii and kakkoii and he ACTUALLY believes he can comprehend anything when he has never watched anything without subs, learned hiragana let alone kanji, or even studied grammer and vocabulary.

what a little piece of shit, he could never learn japanese, he's lazy and doesn't even like japan enough to learn it. he's too stupid anyway.

>> No.17986825

i see you're a fellow 4chan level otaku

>> No.17986833


But I do hate EOPs who whine for translations constantly and yet make no attempt to learn a language of the medium they consume so much of.

>> No.17986836

>doesn't even like japan enough to learn it
i don't even like anime and im learning it
mostly for shitty rpgmaker games and for some car memes

>> No.17986838

Pretty much this. Normal people that don't speak Japanese are whatever, but if you like Japanese media and complain when it doesn't get translated, you really have no excuse.

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It's pretty annoying when weebs claim to understand anime without putting any work into it. Bonus if they're in Japanese 101 and think they'll be able to watch raw after 1 year of study.

>> No.17986847

Maybe he's learning too but hasn't told you either anon

>> No.17986849

I actually learned most of my grammar and a lot of my initial vocab by watching anime. But I also watched over 700 anime before getting to that point

>> No.17986855

im about 400 in and i haven't felt it very useful. probably wasnt paying attention to it like others; i did come out knowing some random phrases though that I didn't know I knew until i hit them in vocabulary. The meanings just kind of clicked in my head from reading the subs so much with it

>> No.17986859

You can understand anime without a vocabulary.

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>> No.17986874

though i've entertained myself with the thought, I can with 99.9% (can never be too sure) confidence say this isn't the case.
depends on your definition of understand
you see what's going on and because you're an autistic manchild who has watched almost exclusively 200 slice of life and harem anime that all have beach, hot springs and fireworks episodes, you know what's going on from that alone, but no, you don't understand jokes, wordplay, sentence structure and you most certainly don't understand anything that relates to anything that isn't on the screen at that very moment, like if characters are talking about past events that haven't been shown before because it's the first episode and they're establishing what has happened in the world prior to the beginning of the anime

i.e. you can't understand anime without knowing japanese

>> No.17986875

no word for it in my country, dictionary just says 'new years gift'
but that doesn't mean money

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>> No.17986898

So I'm doing the Yotsuba pack and everyday when I start there are no suspended cards, but by the end of the session there are cards suspended, however none are suspended the next day. What's going on here?

>> No.17986908

>chink friend send a link with all of yesterday's JLPT answers
I don't even dare to look.

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Anyone have one of these bad boys?

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>> No.17986923

Why is the audio for "動く" umoku and not ugoku in the core2k deck?

>> No.17986929

I'd have to hear to be sure, but you do know that a g sound in the middle of a word can sound like an n right?

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>> No.17986934

it's u-ngo-ku

>> No.17986938

Alright, I got it now thanks. Is this gong to be more common in the future as I go through core2k?

>> No.17986944 [DELETED] 

You being a stupid cunt? Yeah, probably.

>> No.17986961 [DELETED] 

dumb retard

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what the fuck? i think anon asked a perfectly legitimate question

>> No.17986972 [DELETED] 

My dream is for djt to become a bully-free zone with kindhearted anons!

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>> No.17986981 [DELETED] 

you can't learn japanese

no joke, you should quit right now, you're just wasting your time and our time by posting here

>> No.17986983

Thanks for mentioning this. I found kanjitomo and holy shit does it take the pain out of kanji lookups and mining from manga. It would be nice if the output routeable to another dictionary/clipboard but the OCR function alone is great.

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>> No.17986986

OCR Manga Reader and Nezuyomi can do that.

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is this bait?

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This man comes up to your girl and slaps her in the ass. What do you do?

>> No.17986994 [DELETED] 

Immersion shattered

>> No.17986996

Will scope these out too. Also OCR is fantastic for operating system dialogues when you are starting out.

>> No.17986997 [DELETED] 

>guys japanese is easy to learn btw i already knew kanji from chinese also I have a baka anglo gaijin accent after living in japan for 9 years and studying it since the seventies

>> No.17987020 [DELETED] 

Bullyposters please leave /jp/.

>> No.17987021 [DELETED] 

Don't forget the EOPs who whine about something not being translated and aren't willing to pay to get it translated either.
Because of course people who are learning a foreign language have the obligation to translate stuff for free.

>> No.17987030 [DELETED] 

You know that autists talking about EOPs? That's how I feel about autistic AOP (Anime Only Peasants). Try watching a dorama for once, you uncultured fucks.

>> No.17987031 [DELETED] 

>watching dorama when you could be watching professional sumo
What the fuck

>> No.17987032 [DELETED] 

i just started watching 結婚できない男 earlier today!

t. >>17986822

>> No.17987044

What are some Japanese equivalents to the shows that are targeted at the demographics that shows like "Lizzie Mcguire" and "Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide" are?

>> No.17987058


>> No.17987061

A Japanese equivalent to the western tween TV drama boom?

>> No.17987062

well I didn't think I had to specify.. but.. live action.

>> No.17987064

japanese high school/middle school students dont watch live action shows besides game shows on the news channels

>> No.17987121 [DELETED] 

>he does it for free

>> No.17987153

Japanese phonetics >>>>>>>> Chinese phonetics

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>> No.17987213

go for it: you seem dumb enough for it

>> No.17987217

jap class was really helpful for me

not particularly good, but it got me off the ground

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is the たら。。。た form of たら basically an extension of "when" missing the conditional context? "when I showed up, everyone was gone!" for example. the HGJP seems to be explaining that but im not sure.

i'm also not sure what と is doing here.

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>> No.17987243

ahahahhaha fuck me in the ass god dammit

>> No.17987245

たら1 [3] <already-realized condition>

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How does this make you feel?

>> No.17987260

Fuck ~them~ in the ass. They should use their kanji reeeeee

>> No.17987267 [DELETED] 

I don't get it.

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>> No.17987275

I don't. Believe. You. It's impossible to learn it via just inferring from subs and with 0 textbook (or even just Wikipedia) exposition. The translators are simply way too liberal most of the time, and make use of tenses that English has that Japanese hasn't and vice versa.

Also parsing spoken sentences is exceedingly hard if you don't recognize what some tacked-on particle is and which one a word.

>> No.17987282

if you're talking with the anime only autist, hes already confessed to just watching raw for years

>> No.17987416

Why blow that money when most of us have smpartphones?

>> No.17987458

kill yourself

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sakubi says something about bitching in here for feedback so uh
it says "two-form" here which i imagine is a mistake

>> No.17987538

Okay, I fixed it.

>> No.17987544

>Also parsing spoken sentences is exceedingly hard if you don't recognize what some tacked-on particle is and which one a word.
This is by far the easiest part of listening comprehension.

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>> No.17987725

Imo, yes. Two(?) posters here had a long argument/discussion about it not long ago and the guy arguing against them had me convinced.

The argument started with this post, I think:

>> No.17987799

these threads are pretty cancer

too many crossboarders

>> No.17987967

>500$ in travel expenses to go take the JLPT
>probably failed listening anyway
I am living a meme

>> No.17987970

Just discovered the Japanese word for QUALITY


>> No.17988012

Should've watched more anime.

>> No.17988027

>Should've watched more bangumi.


>> No.17988062

>all these people on both /djt/s who took JLPT saying they had a hard time with the listening part
This is what you get for not watching anime

>> No.17988067

Honestly the listening questions were harder than most anime.

>> No.17988090

So I hit 2k words in anki, but I still feel as though my grammar is extremely poor. Is there any method to fixing this that is like spending days in the mountains training? if you understand the idea im trying to get across

>> No.17988097

>Is there any method to fixing this
Have you tried practicing (reading)?

>> No.17988104

Isolated grammar study?
Read some DOJG entries or something. Otherwise, you should just read more. Once you hit N3 levels you can read Kanzen Master N3 文法 or something (in tandem with regular reading).

>> No.17988114

I actually just started reading! The difficulties in understanding the grammar is what led me to ask the question in the first place
Alright, i'll keep reading. I'm also thinking of giving Japanese the Manga Way a try since tae kim wasn't really doing it for me

>> No.17988129

>The difficulties in understanding the grammar is what led me to ask the question in the first place
There's pretty much nothing you can do for that but to plough on and keep reading.

This is the point where lots of people get stuck reading textbooks forever because they have this weird idea that trying to read things in a foreign language somehow shouldn't be challenging.

>> No.17988190

it makes sense, i'm glad I asked and stopped myself before going onto that path. In regards to improving my listening and speaking as well, should I wait til I am at a higher level before trying to understand anime/live drama?

>> No.17988290

Watch anime now and start getting used to listening to Japanese. Even if you use English subs it will help if you are also trying to pick up words being spoken

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It happens to anyone learning stuff. In computer programming I see people go from guide to book to blog post because they are too afraid of programming something and making mistakes.

Learning is hard and can be frustrating - that is normal!

>> No.17988354

How does one memorize hundreds of vocabs effectively? Hiragana aren't so bad but the kanji vocabs can get really frustrating when you can't connect the readings with the characters. Can't make a story with a a kanji that has no meaningful radical.

>> No.17988382

I wish I was cool enough to tell you what OS you had based on the text rendering in the screenshot. I think it's not Windows 7, but I can't go further.

>> No.17988416

Give the radical a meaning then.

>> No.17988559

I sifted through my bookmarks and came across this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PDY4D8TPz7b-KEFVMyV-uyrEVteopqs6hFoFERfXY-4/edit#gid=1180165444
I remember avoiding making up radical names afraid that it would mess me up later.

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>> No.17988653

I wish I didn't suck at english and translate so slow...

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>tfw turkish/indian creeps scare girls on interpals so they dont reply to anyone

at least i got my jp bros to talk to

>> No.17988683

>no problem with reading section so feeling confident
>proceed to get continuously blown the fuck out half way through listening section

>> No.17988697

anime is for literal children so no fucking duh!!!!

>> No.17988715

Listening is always the hardest. No substitution except for talking to native speakers or I guess listening to recorded stuff (anime? movies?) and write down what you hear.

>> No.17988835

What are your guys thought of KanjiDamage? Anyone use it?

>> No.17988848

it's shit and you shouldn't use it

>> No.17988858

Isolated kanji is a waste of time.

>> No.17988865

good if you might need help remembering a kanji with mnemonics because your memory is being a fuck

>> No.17988872

Not about the Kanji but the Radicals. http://www.kanjidamage.com/radicals
I've been eyeing to learn this set. I can't take not having stories for Radicals that have no meaning/names.

>> No.17988906

But you think I shouldn't fully make it a 50/50 right now since my vocabulary is still small? Speaking and listened compared to reading, i mean

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This was me when I first started too. It's like you're opening a door to a section of your brain, only that door frozen shut and you have to thaw it out before you can go inside.

It feels like when you first start you're armed with only your breath, but as time goes on you eventually unlock a flamethrower.

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Is there an extension or something to see kanji better? I don't want to zoom 200% to make out some words.

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>tfw come home from work mentally exhausted

i can only study jp in the morning :(

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>> No.17989172

Get that chinese lookin' shit out of here.

>> No.17989178

This isn't DCT, my friend.

>> No.17989183

That's Japanese. It's just a really, really long compound noun.

>> No.17989209

I'd rather have this than some kana soup

>> No.17989217

Someone write this out so I can rikai through it

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When you realize that's not Chinese.

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If you can't even get that much, you should just give up.

>> No.17989326

Oops, the
part was from the sentence before that. I forgot and just copypasted.

>> No.17989334

hang in there anon

>> No.17989339

So basically they're just calling someone a stupid mean buttfaced sleazy bastard.

>> No.17989367

can you even do that in japanese? just string a bunch of adjectives together into a huge mess of kanji vomit?

>> No.17989371

Not that I know of. Maybe with kanbun which doesn't use any kana.

>> No.17989386

>tfw masamune was my motivation for learning the language but once I got half a year in I realized even natives have a hard time reading it
I guess I should just give up that dream

>> No.17989388

unless i am mistaken that is not valid classical chinese either

>> No.17989393

so is the game just trolling?

>> No.17989398

it's taking artistic liberty with language

>> No.17989399

I mean it's just a string of curses. He just says them in a single breath. Why not? It's a spoken language anyway. It's not strict.
>natives have a hard time reading
Bullshit. Nothing really hard.
I mean, I read it after reading untranslated VNs for just a year.

>> No.17989414

>natives have a hard time reading
from this part meant for>>17989386

>> No.17989424

It's not trolling, I was just paraphrasing what he was saying. It's less "retarded stupid cheap sleazy infuriating" (etc.) and more like "retard nigger cunt spic fuckface shitbag asshole" (etc.)
String of nouns, not a string of adjectives.

>> No.17989438

oh that makes more sense
I guess it wouldn't sound that weird spoken

>> No.17989441

>tfw you really like chuunige but almost every good chuunige has a fuckload of kanji and isn't the easiest to read

I tried reading the initial prologue of Muramasa and that alone took me more than an hour and even then, I didn't even understand some of the older Japanese style dialogue. Maybe I'll read something like Soushuu Senshinkan before jumping into Muramasa.

>> No.17989446

lol this is motivation enough to study hard and find out who is on that poor receiving end.

>> No.17989464

I remember trying to read Paradise Lost (the famous 17th century book) 5 years ago, English being my second language.
5 years ago I was already arguing in my best, scientific English on 4chan and Reddit, yet Paradise Lost was like alienspeak from Arrival.
That's probably a similar situation.

>> No.17989472

really, it's not that bad? that's really nice to hear. i'm still reading flyable heart, my first novel ever, but I feel like I have a long ways to go before I can tackle it

>> No.17989489

Paradise Lost (or most older English stuff) is hard even for native speakers. Muramasa is hard but it's nowhere near the same level of difficulty as classic Japanese literature.

>> No.17989494

Muramasa is not a chuunige though.
Well, I for me it was pretty easy. You have to know though that I haven't learned japanese. I just jumped into VNs with a texthooker and googled grammar as I read. I was too fucking bored grinding ANKIs or Tae kim so I took the most easy way for me. Granted, I still read with a texthooker cause I'm too lazy to grind decks and I don't really need japanese other than for VNs, but I can speak cause I always listen to VA and play VNs with a voiced MC and I know quite a lot of kanjis just visually. I might not spell them but I can unerstand what they mean cause I've seen them 103000304 times already. Some time ago I was forced to read a unhookable picture with text on it with a font so weird and blur that it wasn't OCR-able and I think I got 80% of words right and got the meaning of the text. But that's just me. If you want to have a solid ground, I guess you can grind VNs for decks or grind ANKIs. That's just what I hate.

>> No.17989497

Yeah Muramasa is more like hardcore 60s fantasy writing.

>Muramasa is not a chuunige though.
u wot m8

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Have you seen chuuniges with half an hour infodumps about physics?
ADHD chuunigers won't handle this.
Yes, Muramasa has chants and mag...I mean completely legit powers that result from physics. But it's not about powerlevels. It may have something chuuni, but not much.

>> No.17989529

chuuni isn't about powerlevels and infodumps about physics, that's scifi
chuuni is about the chants and shit

>> No.17989538

Native English speaker here.

English texts from hundreds of years ago are hard for me to understand too. I can't remember what exactly it was that I was trying to read now, but even though I knew all the words being used, somehow the language just felt really obtuse and impenetrable to me. The experience was a lot like like when you're listening to something in the background and not really paying attention to it, where you're hearing all the words but none of it is actually going into your head. Well, I could comprehend it, but it was a very vague sort of comprehension.

sono state education kimochi

>> No.17989593

To anyone wondering about context.

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So far i'm finding my first experience of reading/mining to be a lot more fun than I had expected. It helps that i'm actually enjoying reading this, thanks to those who recommended it to me

>> No.17989604

Is that Axanael?

>> No.17989619


Found this site with with a bunch of example sentences and shitty comics for onomatopoeia. There are also some interesting articles:


It says there are about 2000 such words listed in Japanese dictionaries, with maybe 400-700 in every day use. The only language with more is Korean, which has about 8000.

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>> No.17989669

What is this?

The art looks pretty rad.

>> No.17989679

So far, as someone who only started learning about 5 months ago and has a terrible grammar knowledge, it's still been fairly easy, so i'd recommend it to another beginner

>> No.17989835

are there any anki decks of onomatopoeia?

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Also, google <word> + 語源 for etymologies of words.

>> No.17989923

Thank you for the serious answers despite my rageposting. You guys rock

>> No.17989968

You won't find answers anywhere else as quickly than in this pit.

>> No.17989974

I'm trying to imagine anki grinding onomatopoeia. It might get confusing.

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Can anyone help me out with understanding this sentence?

I feel like I understand what it's trying to get across due to context clues, but I have absolutely no idea what it's saying specifically

>> No.17989999

Cute picture. I appreciate you.

>> No.17990006

There was one. I dropped it immediately.

>> No.17990011

What is it that you're confused about? からには?

>> No.17990024

No matter the 腐った素材, now that I've reached [you/here], there's no way we can go easy on you.

>> No.17990029

You need to provide context.
My take:
No matter how rotten these raw materials are, now that they got through to us, we can't ease up /cut corners/etc on (whatever they were going to do)

>> No.17990031

the whole sentence, I just don't get what it's saying
the first part I have no clue what it's talking about, something about rotting materials
the second part is like 'as long as it gets here' and the last part i think is partially 'it gets in our hands'
but like I said, i've got no clue what it's trying to say specifically
the context is a girl had forgotten a mascot robot behind, that was the main attraction for a special presentation, and a guy is yelling that sentence at her

>> No.17990035

We've* actually.

On second though, >>17990029 this sounds a little better.

>> No.17990046

>Alright, i'll keep reading. I'm also thinking of giving Japanese the Manga Way a try since tae kim wasn't really doing it for me

I just 'finished' that book in the sense that I went through it to get an idea of what it covers and where to find what it covers. It was reasonably interesting but slightly strangely organised. It's even more concise than Tae Kim though so bear that in mind. I'm now reviewing the book by reading yotsuba and referring to it pretty much constantly during which is a pretty painful process.

>> No.17990054

I dunno.
Seems like this robot is called 腐った素材 here. Did they get it just before the presentation?

>> No.17990071

something like that
this might be a lot to ask, but since i'm just a beginner to reading, I have no idea how to 'work my way' through a sentence
could you possible provide a step by step way you came to that conclusion with that sentence?

>> No.17990104

don't try to understand every sentence perfectly.
just move on.

>> No.17990136

so tae kim talks about dialect/pronunciation/intonation, but i dont think anime voices are close at all to real dialects are they? should i be watching more youtube variety/game/tv/talking channels to pick up on it instead? i notice in real-life talk they accentuate the particles a lot more (and kind of stop at them), though i dont know how often that happens

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yeah I have, if I stuck with every single sentence until I understood it perfectly i'd get nowhere
speaking of Yotsuba

>> No.17990165

Hard to find anyone speaking dialects in any Japanese media. Even if you listen to regional radio stations, everyone on them speaks in standard Japanese. Kansai is the only dialect which shows up with any sort of regularity in Japanese media, but it's usually just one minor character speaking it (and not thickly).

You don't really need to worry about dialects at all unless you're going to be living somewhere that one is spoken.

>> No.17990171

Not the other guy, but the process would be to hover over the words with Rikai/Yomi (maybe you missed that 手を抜く has its own entry?) and look up どんな, からには, わけにはいけない in HJGP and read the example sentences.

>> No.17990177

yeah I should do that, what i've been doing is taking the sentences and plugging them into jisho, and reading unknown phrases/words that way, but it's clear that won't work all the time now
does chiitrans work better in this instance? i'm using ith

>> No.17990190

>what i've been doing is taking the sentences and plugging them into jisho
Jisho is a bugger for separating idiomatic expressions into individual words even when those idioms have entries in Jisho.

>> No.17990197

I see what you mean. I meant mostly the standard "picking on intonation". I guess what I meant was standard, conversational (real-life) speaking as opposed to what I hear in anime. like the difference between an anime conversation and a street interview

>> No.17990199

Use the texthooking method described in the guide resource list.

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Well, first you look for a subject and the main verb.
Look for が for a subject and for the end of the sentence for the main verb.
Here, it's オレたち and 抜く.
Then look for an object of the verb, if there's one. It's marked by pre...I mean postposition. を、に、へ. Here we have 手 marked by を.
So we have "We"+"ease up"(hand+omit turns into this. You just have to remember it)
Oh, yeah, remember how I said 抜く is the main verb in this sentence? That was a lie. Japanese like to modify words with sentences(or mini-sentences) Here, [オレたちが手を抜く] modfies word わけ and the main verb of this sentence is いかねぇ(which is a slang version of いかない - don't go(as in "as expected" meaning))
には is に+は which are indirect object marker and topic marker. So "wake" belongs to ikanai.
Wake is reason, conclusion, etc.
wake ni ha ikanai literally means "it can't pass up as a reason". A dictionary gives us a more proper meaning "impossible to do (although wants to); cannot afford to; must not; no way we can" So what we have is "there's no reason we can ease up on (this)"
だろう is just an ending showing confidence in what he says.
からには - now that; since; so long as; because
It's used after something that it modifies.
x からには = Now that x
So we have 届いちまったからには=Now that it got to us.
Now that it got to us, we can't ease up on this(presentation)
Well, all that's left is the first part どんな腐った素材でも which kinda explains what exactly 届いちまったからには. It would look silly without mentioning what exactly has reached, right?
でも-•but; however; though; nevertheless; still; yet; even so
But here the most appropriate meaning is "no matter how". I don';t remember but I feel it has this meaning whenever it's in this place(in the end of the clause)
素材-raw materials
どんな and 腐った are adjectives which modify it. "What kind of rotten raw materials no matter how". Doesn't make much sense, right?
Well, let's place no matter how to its rightfull place - in the beginning.
No matter what kind of rotten raw materials.
Much better, right?
Now we unite this all into one and get [No matter what kind of rotten raw materials], [now that it reached us], [we can't ease up anymore].
The skill to modify the sentence, putting words in right places comes with practice. I was agonizing for 5-10 minutes straught when I first started reeading but with time it became second nature. I even write english with japanese grammar.
Yeesh, use chiitranslite, this monster is the reason I learned how to read any eroge without any learning. Just don't always rely on his parsing ability, because sometimes he parses wrong.

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Wew, that was intense. I'm off to sleep.

>> No.17990252

don't use this
use this

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>> No.17990321

I'm currently doing 20 new cards a day of both Core, and the same amount of KanjiDamage. I recently began a three month break from formal study, and I'd really like to get to reading soon so I can get some nice practice in before I have to dial back my study to coincide with my other courses.

Should I just drop the Kanjidamage completely and run 30-40 new cards a day of core? This would be alongside the grammar I'm doing until I finish TK. The guide recommended about 1000 words of vocab so I don't have to look up every word I encounter, so I'd like to get there ASAP.

>> No.17990322

What's your favorite キャラゲー

>> No.17990350

read the sentence from the beginning to end and understand it. don't jump around the sentence trying to figure things out

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Do you like them?

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>> No.17990466

I'm gonna save this post with the original sentence so I can look back on it once I have a decent grasp on grammar. It's gonna take a while...

>> No.17990473

Carnival is incredible!

>> No.17990489

Realizing now that I almost never see tobacco in katakana when reading. It's usually 煙草. That's because they were used before katakana became a thing right? What are some other loan words with kanji?

>> No.17990491

does that seriously separate out grammar for you
that seems quite bad for learning to read, i feel guilty enough as it is just hooking for quick dictionary lookup

>> No.17990505

If you only do one new card a day it's perfectly manageable.

>> No.17990694

>That's because they were used before katakana became a thing right?
First Western contact with Japan (via Portugal): 1543 AD
Invention of Katakana: ~800 AD

>> No.17990763


english replaced chinese as the new cool intellectual language, i think that's why japan stopped giving loan words kanji

>> No.17990849

Why the fuck do japs write names without furigana everywhere when half the time they don't even know how to pronounce them?

>> No.17990909

>when half the time

>> No.17990919

You're correct. He should've said 100% of the time, since there really is no way of being certain of how someone's name should be read (or for that matter, written) without them explicitly telling you.

>> No.17990936

you can say the same for english names too desu

>> No.17990950

if you believe that one listening question on the JCAT, the act of assigning kanji to loan words couldn't keep up with the rate they were being imported, so eventually they just gave up

>> No.17990960

And made their already ugly written language even uglier. How can jap cucks even compete with the autistic neatness of chinese?

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>> No.17990978

No, you can't. English names all have an understood way of being read. If someone's name is written "Jack", then it is read "Jack". If some parent comes along and says "No, I know it's written with those letters but you actually read it as Luke!" then everyone will just think they're a complete fucking idiot (I doubt it would even be legal to do in the first place).

You don't get anything in English like 京子 which can be read variously as きょうこ, あつこ and けいし, just to list a few.

>> No.17990981

Are there any text hookers that work in Windows XP? Trying to play an older game in a VM.

>> No.17990983

how do you deal with kanji that can't be typed because its not in google ime recommendations?

for example I looked and just copy pasted the kanji for 掛ける because its not showing on google ime. Any other alternatives?

>> No.17990987

The original version of ITHVNR should:

>> No.17990992

Are you sure you're typing it right?

It shows up in Mozc so there's no reason it shouldn't show up in Google IME.

>> No.17990993

I've been doing nothing but watching anime and reading manga and websites for the past 6 months. I'm too scared to take the plunge into LNs and VNs don't interest me. Am I screwed?

>> No.17990997

there's no legal requirement in the US for the pronunciation of your name to match the letters at all

we're not discussing whether or not it's idiotic

>> No.17991008

I'm dumb.

I read it on anki as あける going back its actually かける.

Probably should take a coffee break for now.

>> No.17991023

In any case, it's exceptional and frowned upon to stray from the established ways of spelling and reading names. The fact that it's possible to call your kid Luke but have their name spelt as Jack in the US doesn't mean anyone actually does it. At most, you might get some retarded parents tweaking the spelling of Jack to Jakk or something, but that's nowhere near the same level as what the Japanese are doing.

In Japan, every single person's name is impossible to know how to read/write for anyone who hasn't explicitly been told how it's read/written.

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Makes for some comedy gold when they do though

>> No.17991043

Those parents/guardians need lives.

>> No.17991045

While you certainly cannot get as many possibilities out of Latin characters, your example is a poor one that forces your point. Most names have significantly different potential pronunciations, and to say "well they're much closer" is a little silly, as they seem closer to us due to our familiarity. I'm sure someone out there has named their kid Jak and expected it to be pronounced Jake. I would imagine a Japanese native would find 子 read as こ vs し easier to deal with than Jack vs Jake, or Colin as cawlin vs colon.
It is different, and has different problems, but having problems in the first place is almost universal.

>> No.17991048

what the actual fuck?

>> No.17991061

What about it? Go watch Suisei no Gargantia if you want to hear that word 50,000 times.

>> No.17991064

>I'm sure someone out there has named their kid Jak and expected it to be pronounced Jake.
Translation: I have no evidence of this, not even anecdotal, but I'm going to assert it anyway.

>Colin as cawlin vs colon.
Making up yet more bullshit. Nobody has the name "colon", for fuck sake.

>I would imagine a Japanese native would find 子 read as こ vs し easier to deal
I notice you conveniently dodged the issue with the other kanji.

>> No.17991068

Had to get some dll file for my VM for it to work but this works perfectly. Thanks.

>> No.17991069

Yes thanks, obviously I know what it means or I wouldn't bring it up, I appreciate the pointless patronization though. Totally not talking about the context of people's fucking names or anything.

>> No.17991070

>>17991064 (continued)
Anyway, fuck, I'm not getting into an argument about fucking names at 5am. I'm off.

>> No.17991097

Why are you so defensive? I just wanted to recommend a cool show I watched, contextual relation be damned.

>> No.17991183

you don't have to read anything long to learn japanese

the fact that you can't or won't doesn't speak well about your attention span or how much you actually read in general, but it's not definitive proof of dekinai

>> No.17991186

English has Stephen/Steven
Can't think of any more for though, Japanese is definitely much worse

>> No.17991203

Arguments for SRSing sentences? I'm at like 2000 so far and it's getting kind of boring. I like the routine of adding X number of words with sentences a day because it maintains a steady number of words learned (looking up the definition, understanding the sentence etc.) but yeah I wonder if SRSing single vocab words would be as efficient because it would definitely be much faster.

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>> No.17991230

How do I learn Japanese? I honestly can't figure this shit out. Learning the kana was easy, learning vocab pronunciation is easy, but kanji are fucking impossible. I can easily learn 25+ new words in a day, but I can only do 5 kanji versions of words tops, and even that is pushing it. I just don't understand how to get through this.

>> No.17991238

in most cases they're not actually accentuating the particles; they're breaking up the sentence in order to organize their thoughts, and the particles are where logical breaks occur

this doesn't happen as much in anime because they're reading from a prepared script

>> No.17991243

It gets easier as time goes on to acquire vocabulary. You will learn the common readings of kanji and sometimes be able to guess readings of new words, you will get used to how words will generally sound, and you will get really good at distinguishing kanji. For now you just have to power through it, keep exposing yourself to books, news, anime, whatever in the meantime.

>> No.17991249

>I can easily learn 25+ new words in a day
>I can only do 5 kanji versions of words tops
one of these is a lie

>> No.17991253

The pronunciations are really easy for me to remember but I can't match them with the characters. What is so unbelievable about that?

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>> No.17991270

I've been on /djt/ since it was on /a/ and I still don't know if imouto poster is an actual native japanese speaker or if it's just one autist with an insane dedication to roleplaying.

>> No.17991282

enjoy songs. dump lyrics into jisho.org and compare them with existing translations

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>> No.17991291

>an actual native japanese speaker or if it's just one autist with an insane dedication to roleplaying.
constantly hungry and upset
sucks at crypt of the necrodancer

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>> No.17991299

Most likely both. Original is native but there are people who impersonate him

>> No.17991312

I once watched a lets play of 街 on ps1, and the dudes reading it had to spend a few minutes trying to figure out each newly introduced character's name because they were presented without any kana.

>> No.17991339

A while back someone posted a site that had a list of VNs and stats on how many words outside the core 6k and the VN 5k are in each VN, anyone got the link? I forgot the name

>> No.17991344

this one? wiki.wareya.moe/Stats

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>> No.17991402

I'm pretty sure that was it thanks, anon
Wish it had the core 10k and vn 2k, would be interesting to see how far diminishing returns take you

>> No.17991431

I don't mean this as a defense of the other guy's position but the reading level of let's players can sometimes be very low

>> No.17991442

I should have mentioned that they were native speakers, though. It was a Japanese lp by Japanese players.

>> No.17991478

>Had to get some dll file for my VM for it to work
I hope you didn't download anything dodgy. You might think you don't have to worry about viruses with VMs, but viruses which are specifically designed to do so can escape from VMs and enter the host system.

All you should've needed to get it working was the "Visual C++ Redistributable Packages for Visual Studio 2013" from the Microsoft website linked in the original post of the thread.

By the way, if you're going to be running VNs on your VM, you'll probably want to install the VirtualBox Guest Additions if you haven't already.

>> No.17991479

I've got 2 decks with words, How do I compare how many words are duplicates? I tired exporting both decks and opening them up in open calc but it ended up being gibberish

>> No.17991484

Pretty much all the arguments for and against sentence cards were brought up in the discussion linked in this post: >>17987725

Give it a read and see which side sways you more.

>> No.17991487

Yeah that was it. Got it directly from Microsoft.

>> No.17991490

Ah, that's okay then. I was worried you'd downloaded something random off google.

Gotta be especially careful with XP VMs since MS dropped support (including security updates) for it quite a while ago now.

>> No.17991514

>Translation: I have no evidence of this, not even anecdotal, but I'm going to assert it anyway.
It's less stupid than KVIIIlin, you're being awfully narrow-minded.
>Making up yet more bullshit. Nobody has the name "colon", for fuck sake.
Colin Powell does, and he's not the only one.
>I notice you conveniently dodged the issue with the other kanji.
I fully acknowledged that there are issues, and spoke on a different topic. Can't dodge something I'm not debating.
You're not very fun to discuss with anyway, calling everything that doesn't directly agree with you bullshit.

>> No.17991523

I'm glad he's here, but I really don't understand why he is.

It doesn't appear that he's trying to learn English given that he's spent years in these threads and still doesn't seem to even understand basic English as evidenced by posts like:
(Anon posts in English about how he probably failed N2. Imouto notices "N2" and knows that it's in reference to the JLPT, but seemingly can't understand anything else in the post and just guesses that Anon passed it and praises him.)

I'm pretty sure that he is a native, but I don't understand what's driving him to come here day in, day out, year in, year out and do his little girl roleplay. You'd think he would've gotten bored of it long ago, but I guess it must be entertaining for him in some way else he wouldn't still be doing it.

>> No.17991532

1. That might have not been imouto
2. He was probably being sarcastic

>> No.17991538

That was just an example I noticed from this specific thread. I see him doing this a lot where he responds to a post and has clearly completely misunderstood what it was about.

>> No.17991540

>I'm glad he's here, but I really don't understand why he is.
for me to bully
hold down and pull on twintails, during recess

>> No.17991541

Put effort into kanji by themselves so that you learn to pay more attention to them and associate them with meanings. Some words are just shit, but many are quite easy if you have an idea of what concepts a particular kanji is often associated with.
You can accomplish the same thing through vocab alone, but if you build the association through struggling with the very words you are trying to learn, it will be a lot slower with any words using kanji that are new to you.
By the way, why bother learning the words without kanji in the first place? It seems like some people split up words into too many separate learning tasks. Building the association early is worth the hard work and will make related words and compounds easier.

>> No.17991542

Don't call imouto a guy. She's my cute little sister and she cheers me on in my studies. Imouto gives us courage.

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I've seen this guy use this abbreviated negative + とする construction a few times, especially when context makes it seem that it should be affirmative instead of negative. Is that just a fancy way of saying 阻もうとする?

>> No.17991565

Someone give me a nice easy manga to read, stat!

>> No.17991578






attack on titan

>> No.17991583

there are no easy manga for a beginner
just simple

>> No.17991586 [DELETED] 

Basically any SoL manga which has furigana and an all-female* cast.

Furigana is a good indicator of difficulty since it's inclusion suggests that what you're reading isn't directed at an adult audience.

>> No.17991591

Basically any SoL manga which has furigana and an all-female cast.

Furigana is a good indicator of difficulty since it's inclusion suggests that what you're reading isn't directed at an adult audience.

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>> No.17991600

Why all female?

>> No.17991604

Thanks for the explanation. Should have guessed Fate would be full of people using antiquated grammar.

>> No.17991621

Because the story probably just revolves around cute girls doing cute things and doesn't have any lofty themes, technical discussions, etcetera.

Throw a male main character into the mix and you start getting PLOT.

>> No.17991623

Any cgdct manga reccs?

>> No.17991625

it's okay to say you just like cute girls

>> No.17991635

>Throw a male main character into the mix and you start getting PLOT.
Ecchi harems are pretty easy to read though.

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>> No.17991661

It's my final night in Japan and I'm tempted to pick up an electronic dictionary, but they're quite expensive. Is there any point to getting one if you have a tablet? I'm impressed with how much information you get while offline.

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Is that (you)?

>> No.17991785

Did he died?

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>> No.17991929

Longer battery life, smaller, it folds, it has a physical keyboard. Personally I am getting a tablet instead of an electronic dictionary just because you can do so much more like read books and manga on it as well as use offline dictionary programs.

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>> No.17992244

the tae kim ios app is so old (2012) that it leaks memory and causes my phone to shut down.

aside from bringing a book, what do you friends do in the train or bus?

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Who is in the right here?

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I've been reading AJATT articles, but since I'm not a native speaker of English I don't understand one analogy in:
>Beyond Binging and Purging


Basically, could anyone who has read it explain what's this post about (or binge n purge in context of learning)? Or someone who would just sacrifice a minute of their time and skim through it?

PS Is it basically about being "3 day monk" i.e. going full Japanese (binge?) and then stopping abruptly (purge?)?
>Basically, you say to yourself “OK, I’ve been binging on bad things for a while now, so let me purge for a little while and THEN go back to a normal flatline”.
Still don't get it even applying my interpretation though...

>> No.17992732

Simply put:
You want to do A, but dont do it for some time. Now you feel bad because you didnt do it, so you do it a lot with the intent to go to a more reasonable level later on, with the idea that you now caught up compared to doing it consistently.

He tells you to just go to the reasonable level, instead of pushing the level where you only do A, because if you were to, this cycle will repeat itself.

Not doing anything -> feeling bad because you did nothing -> do it a lot -> did so much you need a break -> not doing it anymore -> feeling bad about -> ... -> ..

>> No.17992813

It's not negative, but the classical volitional form む. i.e. 阻まむとする
Same as in expressions like 言わんとばかり, せんがため
And yeah, it basically means 阻もうとする

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Help lads, why does the font not render? I used the link from the guide, then I tried the ankiweb one and the font works so I thought maybe I'd delete and download the link again and it still doesn't work like pic related, I then downloaded the arial font separately and followed the instructions but it still showed up the same.

>> No.17992882

I don't know, but you should be able to figure it out by tweaking the card style or template if it works in one deck but not another. arial isn't a Japanese font.

>> No.17992953

I don't know I can't find any differences I didn't mess with the options at all, I also tried "TakaoPGothic" from the guide but it's the same thing

>> No.17992983

Because everyone always says that individual kanji study is harmful

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Use macOS, it just werks.

>> No.17993146

One of the upsides of learning Jap is that I don't have to rely on manga scanlations anymore which make characters sound mentally retarded that were relatively soft-spoken in the original.

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>> No.17993162

If cancerous faggots like you and your favourite mentally ill roleplayer weren't around shitting up threads on /a/, djt would still be on /a/ to this day.

>> No.17993165

I don't know what your problem is, but you don't want to be using Arial for Japanese anyway.

Use the IPA fonts or their derivatives (e.g. the Takao fonts). You can also try the Noto CJK fonts but they have huge vertical margins for some weird reason (and don't look as good anyway).

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The translations themselves aren't the only bad things about scanlations. Scanlation groups tend to be horribly unreliable and frequently just drop things half way through.

This was one of the reasons I felt compelled to learn Japanese in the first place.

>> No.17993219

I actually printed out the whole guide, whole punched it and threw that shit into a binder. After finishing my first read through I'm probably gonna toss it and opt for the pdf search function.

>> No.17993223

How much did that all cost? the print version isn't that expensive here at least

>> No.17993227

i just bought the book, $20 and i support tae, he's great and deserves money.

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Can you read this?

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>> No.17993268

It's not hard, just tedious

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He deserves a lot but my pocket could not get any emptier than it is now. I printed all 350 pages in my house. It shouldn't cost much if you go double sided.

>> No.17993365

Share words that you mined that you don't even know in English.


I don't remember where I found that.

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Can I skip Tae Kims last 2 section Special Expressions and Advanced Grammer for now? I don't think i'll get much from them at this early stage. I'm still struggling when the hundreds of vocabs and certain conjugations.

>> No.17993551

You're seeking an excuse to skip them because you're too lazy to read them.

Ignore what Tae Kim calls those sections. Everything in his guide is basic grammar.

>> No.17993555

Except for maybe a small number of out-of-place things from the very last two lessons, but not even those entire lessons.

>> No.17993566

I might have made a mistake in using the book version. I have no way of quickly reading the 50 new vocabs he spews out without flipping the pages back and forth. That's whats killing me so much.

>> No.17993567

>I might have made a mistake in using the book version.
You did.

>> No.17993578

do you normally go through tae kim on the pdf with a texthooker?

>> No.17993598

I am reading the book while going through the Tae Kim Anki slides, but desu i dont expect to memorize everything I don't read or write on a daily basis.

For me, building vocabulary is a years long process. That's why I like that he focuses on grammar.

>> No.17993610

Why use the PDF when you can use the website?

The PDF is probably out of date anyhow. I dunno how often Tae Kim updates his site these days (probably not much), but I'm sure there have been some changes since 2012 when the PDF was compiled.

>> No.17993612

all voabs and their readings get listed before the different sections
you only need a texthooker if you're extremely lazy

>> No.17993657

im surprised the pdf is that old since the real life book says 2015.

>> No.17993664

ボンネット (as in hood)

>> No.17993732

I just reached Honorifics and Humble forms and the vocabs are fucking ridiculous. Skimming through the rest of the pages makes my brain drop.

>> No.17993746

>the vocabs are fucking ridiculous
what is this even supposed to mean?

>> No.17993748

OK thank you, I think it makes sense now!

>> No.17993778

Why do you keep saying "vocabs"? It's "vocab".

>> No.17993863

Don't understand. You can just copy paste from the PDF directly,atleast in Sumatra.

>> No.17993870

I've never heard of a language that had 6 of ways of saying i'm sorry. How passive can a culture get?

>> No.17993895

I actually used the website and still bought the book. It was dirt cheap after all.

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>> No.17993916

Stop trying to force that inferior reference.

>> No.17993924

oh that's what you mean
well, it's not like as if other languages have only one way of saying that they are sorry
depending on the circumstances, formalities etc. you can't just say "sorry" or "oh, my bad", but you say longer shit like I sincerely apologize or something

>> No.17994085

Actually I just finished that section and it wasn't as bad as I thought. A decade of watching anime has really paid off more than I could imagine.

>> No.17994105

I haven't seen anyone say it's harmful, that's a bit of a stretch. Everyone says that it's useless because they see arguments that you can't "learn" kanji and thus regard it as a waste of time. In my opinion, it's only useless if you're doing something stupid like memorizing readings.
My last attempt at vocab (with kanji for everything) went poorly with 10 words a day, and now that I'm doing vocab alongside kanji and only learning vocab that uses kanji that I have cards for, I'm doing alright with 20 words a day alongside 10 kanji a day for a month and a half now. I'm not going to claim my method is the right one, and I fully admit it'll take longer to be able to reflect on pros/cons, but it's made a difference for me.
I'd say it's a quick boost to building associations, and after a while the kanji cards will be completely useless, but that's fine.

>> No.17994117

>Tou-chan, the house isn't full!
Maybe I'm not cut out for this reading thing

>> No.17994123

>That's right, the shop is too

>> No.17994125

you wanted to post the pic where they drive down the street right?

>> No.17994132

Do I need to for people to know what I'm referring to?

>> No.17994142

So what is the なる doing here? Is 類いまれなる just an い形容詞 or is this some weird abbrevition for になる that I've never read about?

>> No.17994145

well I guess not

>> No.17994151

The people are full what-oh wait I think I get this, she's saying
>Not just the house!
>That's right, the shop too
>The shop!?

>> No.17994164

could it be the 連体形 of なり?

>> No.17994171

I think there's some sort of typo going on, at least I can't make any sense of it

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I wish listening to stuff was easier. I would much prefer to learn by watching anime, tv shows, movies and such, but the sheer amount of words you need to know in order for that to be feasible is just too high. As I am now, I would end up having to pause on practically every single sentence to go look up a word.

Knowing that it will probably be a year or more before my vocabulary gets big enough to watch stuff is pretty depressing.

>> No.17994229

Just watch with subs. Exercise at 50% efficiency is still better than no listening exercise for a year.

>> No.17994230

It'll be far far longer than a year if you never take the plunge.
Just watch TV now and try to pick up as much as you can

>> No.17994247

This might be it. The sentence is spoken by 沙姫 from ToLOVEる btw.

>> No.17994261

You own a printer? damm I thought they'd be antiques by now

>> No.17994274

I love the anime world.

>> No.17994295

its not just vocab, you can know it all but still be unaccustomed to how people speak it
biggest trouble I have is how softly they say particles like を etc

>> No.17994312

sir! please tell us your opinion on /a/

>> No.17994317

How do I change the scan modifier key in yomichan (firefox)? I click the field with [shift] in it and nothing happens?

>> No.17994322

I'm the opposite. Listening is pretty much second nature to me at this point after almost a decade of radio, tv, and let's play, but I've only been working on reading for about a year and it sucks.

>> No.17994328

nevermind, I got it to work by going fullscreen with f11

>> No.17994344

what did you start listening to? Or is it too long ago

>> No.17994384

I think anime got me familiar enough with the basic structure so that I could move on to those things and not be completely lost.

>> No.17994462

What's the difference between the じ and まい negative volitionals?

>> No.17994464

watch kid's anime. stuff like aikatsu or precure is easy as fuck.

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>> No.17994578

I wish we had that. The classroom I was in didn't even have heating and it was freaking cold. Everyone was wrapped in their coat during the whole test, shivering.
I was sitting right next to a shitty window and could feel a cold breeze. My hands were so frozen I could barely write my name, and I'm not even kidding. Thankfully there is no need to write kanji or anything.
After half of the test, I was struggling to stay awake due to the cold and waking up early.

>> No.17994581

Same here, started with listening to j-dramas.

I didn't look up every word of every sentence, but it was quite easy to guess what certain words mean from the context, then I looked those up and mined them if I guessed right.

You'll be surprised how much you can understand if you stop deciphering every sound and just let it run.

>> No.17994591

can I really learn japanese

>> No.17994635

it is impossible, no one has ever done it

>> No.17994638

Wait, what the fuck?
Chinese and Japanese stroke orders for characters are not always the same?

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>> No.17994688

that happens only on shit grade N2
look at >>17982604

>> No.17994714

Heh, look at this nerd, he thought that Japan continuing to obsess over stroke order meant that they didn't fuck it up hundreds of years ago and build on their mistakes.
Sometimes they take perfectly good components and butcher them into bullshit that doesn't appear in any other character because they didn't understand how the Chinese write it.
Sometimes they standardize something like 田 and then change it back to normal only in circumstances where it would be massively idiotic to do it the Japanese way.

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>> No.17994737

If I just continue to write things the chinese way am I going to get called out for it?

>> No.17994810

There's pretty much nothing about kanji that the Japanese didn't fuck up.

>> No.17994813

I would assume no as long as you don't get sloppy and connect strokes that you've switched the order of, but I wouldn't know.

>> No.17994850

please respond

>> No.17994890

The difference is that じ is some old ass shit nobody uses outside 負けじ. Kind of a weird question to ask.

>> No.17994902

I know, but is there any difference in meaning or nuance?

>> No.17994983

that is the difference in meaning/nuance

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