DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1861

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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17918791

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おうべいは

にんげんにひどいことをしたよね

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>>17931420
I didn't realize the DoJG was so snarky.

みんなさん、こんばんわ！

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>>17931420
Some of the translations in DoJG are pretty whack.

>In this area there are not people who can speak Japanese.
>There is no hope to do with such poor Japanese.

These aren't even correct English.

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>>17931456
Why do you think those examples are so large? The mocking is so fitting that the person who made the image made them large out of spite.

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I'm going to Japan next year, how do I hide the fact that I know Japanese?

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>>17931436
こんばんわ

るい…

笑

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>>17931511
wear headphones with music blaring whenever someone japanese speaks within ten metres of you

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>>17931414
I don't like this girl.

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>>17931456
It's grammatical but hardly anyone talks like that.

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>>17931511
とうきょう？

おおさか？

おきなわ？

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I commute to work for an hour every day and would like to listen to easy-to-understand Japanese on my way. DJTguide seems to have nothing, are there any libraries / collections for this sorta stuff?

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>>17931536
DJT might not be crazy about it, but I listen to JapanesePod101 for this purpose at work. Each episode has a dialogue and full grammar parsing.

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>>17931536
Here's EtoEto's listening material. Easy stories aimed at learners. Pic includes the difficulty levels. Click "Download as ZIP" to download it all.
https://mega.nz/#F!MdwlhQKQ!MiCdxeNq0nJJGxtyShfiKw

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Haven't been keeping up with the DJT threads lately. Why are they only lasting 2-3 days?

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>>17931578
well they got faster apparently
for example I used to be only on /int/ djt, but lately I keep them both tabs open

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>>17931578
Because I bump them almost every hour

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>>17931625
Go back there and stay there.

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>>17931563
Not him, but thanks for the link. Someone told me to search the archives for this a while back (though I can't remember why anymore...) but I couldn't find it.

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>>17931637
make me

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>tfw start reading VN
>get to the first sentence and can't read one of the kanji
>remember that this isn't supposed to be all fun and games despite the cute girls, cute voices and cute BGM all around
これは地獄だ

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How many volumes of manga does a medium length VN* translate into?
* 10 - 30 hours in length, taking VNDB's definition

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>>17931661
Excuse me, but who are you quoting?

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>>17931653
i would have sided with you but then you posted disgusting 3D and it's not even idolfaggotry

awful

２Dの犬は最高の犬

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>>17931670
this is one reason why I didn't come here more often, there's a lot of autistic screeching over nothing on this board

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>>17931670
ひどい

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>>17931663
Judging by the amount of hours is fucking stupid and I don't understand why sites do it.

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>>17931677
それはあたしの責任だ。

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>>17931661
日本語わ地獄だ。

Granted, I'm not finished with Tae Kim yet and have 0 experience reading, but what I've tried to read has been brutal. I picked up Hanahira and aside from its being garbage it's very difficult for me.

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>>17931681
>あたし
ロンドンにいてくれ

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>>17931663
A volume of manga only takes like half an hour, maybe even less to read, so, 20 - 60 volumes.

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>>17931700
yea if you read manga for total retards

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>>17931700
If you're reading manga that fast, you're not appreciating the art enough. Slow the fuck down.

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>>17931663
>* 10 - 30 hours in length, taking VNDB's definition
satsukoi on there is rated at 10-30. So is flyable heart
The former has 171,580 lexemes and the latter 864,065:
http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats
listen to >>17931679

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>>17931705
まぁ、漫画は文学ではないだから

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>>17931527
>hardly anyone
I don't know about you, but I've never heard a single person say "there is no hope to do with" before. Searching it in Google doesn't give a single result.

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>>17931731
I write phrases with zero Google hits all the time and no one thinks my English is broken. Well, not usually, anyway.

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>>17931679
>>17931721
I'm just trying to get an idea of whether I should feel as though I've accomplished anything of significance or value by completing a volume of manga, and if not, how many I need to complete before I can have that feeling.

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>>17931721
>tfw hours only matter if you're a 日本人 anyways and will take an unknown amount of time if you're a 外人

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>>17931739
i don't think you should measure your accomplishments by how much time you've spent or how many or which things you've done

it makes more sense to judge by how easily you can pick up manga, or a novel, or a news article, or whatever, and just read it

the faster you are, the fewer words you need to look up, the further you've come

that's real progress

that's real achievement

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>>17931728
文字なしでの漫画というのはたった絵本だろう

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>>17931747
Progress on that front is really gradual and hard to appreciate though.

Having smaller goals which you can tackle on a daily, weekly or monthly basis helps to keep you motivated. Consuming content is, after all, the key to the kind of progress you're talking about, so it makes sense to have goals related to the consumption of content.

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>>17931739
>whether I should feel as though I've accomplished anything of significance or value
that's really tricky anyway
when you're intermediate you're still in this magical world of feeling like you know everything and then again nothing in the next moment

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>>17931728
>>17931761
oh 文学 not 文字
I thought you were just writing with shitty grammar, my bad

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誰かはこのゲームの名前を知りませんか？ それなら教えてください

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>>17931772
Hmm...

Sort of, but if you look for it you can see it.

For instance, once I had finished ひらがな and カタカナ, I started to listen to new (Japanese) music now and then, with lyrics on-screen, to count how many kanji, then eventually how many words I had to look up in the average song.

I didn't spend most of my learning time on music, but I tried to go through one song every few days and fully understand it (though early on there were some days I couldn't manage).

In this way, I was able to keep tabs--"last week, I couldn't even finish one song in the time I had, this week, I had to set aside four hours but I managed it." Then a few weeks later, down to two hours. Etc.

Rather than managing, "this is how much stuff I did," I found a way that worked for me to measure, "this is how much faster I've gotten."

Because that's really what we're aiming for, でしょう？

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>>17931809
lol it's okay

i mistake 漢字 for each other semi-regularly still too

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>>17931511
There's nothing you need to do. Everyone will assume you don't know Japanese, or that if you do it's pathetically rudimentary. You'd have to try for anyone to think otherwise.

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>>17931814
Unholy Heights

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>>17931814
google image reverse search

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does anyone know a word which kanji looks like this?

以意

i keep seeing it in the 4koma manga i am reading, maybe the first kanji is slightly different but it looks very similar.

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>>17931817
I get what you're saying, but how fast you can get through something can also depend a lot on how interested you are in it. If you're really absorbed in something, you will be much more attentive when reading it, where as if it's something you're only mildly enjoying then you'll be liable to space out more, get distracted, not concentrate as much, etc. which will obviously reduce your reading speed (potentially quite significantly).

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>>17931872
>what is the print screen button

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>>17931872
the first thing that comes to mind to me is 意外 but that's probably not it since it'd be backwards

不意 maybe?

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>>17931877
true, but if you're spacing out while doing your studystuff that probably poses problems for how much you're learning too

trying to find the most engaging things possible is paramount in general, i think

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>>17931891

Oh I see, nah that is probably it thanks a lot. Surprised I haven't seen it in core2k yet.

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>>17931902
I agree. It's challenging though early on when the amount of content which is actually accessible to you is so limited.

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>>17931737
>>17931731
why would you write phrases to google anyway? you're supposed to put important words in whatever order you like like "japanese easiest beginner visual novel suggestion"

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>>17931931
Enquoted phrases can be googled to attempt to determine if anyone on the internet has ever said those words in that order before.

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>>17931944
I like doing that to reassure myself that my incorrect grammar is actually acceptable because idiots say it.

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>>17931872
井伊家はゆーめーだよ

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>>17931922
I ignored the accessibility thing and just wasted hours at a time reading things I didn't understand.

Like, I finished reading them and I was still mostly blindly guessing what they meant...

I didn't even know about auxiliary verbs/adjectives, I was just sort of wracking my brain trying to figure out why whatever came after って seemed to be semi-random.

On the bright side, I did figure out most of the grammar within the first month, just by seeing it over and over.

The way of the masochist.

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>>17931563
Are there any transcripts to go along with these?

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>>17931944
It's good for looking up quotes (duh), error messages from computer stuff, etc.

It's one of the features which makes Google decisively better than other search engines for some applications.

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>>17931989
It's a shame they changed the image search away from being that kind of functionality to hooking it up to their dumb neural network. Completely backwards, since the human is better at identifying what than the computer but not in specific

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>>17931511
Why do people do this? Is it a status thing or something?

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>>17931700
4コマ and manga for the young adult audience will take you far longer unless you are already well beyong N1 level, which at that point you wouldn't be here in the first place.
I have a feeling you haven't read a single volume of manga in your life.

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>>17931715
>you're not appreciating the art enough

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Is there any dictionary for idiomatic expressions like 「贅沢を言う」? Jisho has some, but it's by no means complete (for instance, it's missing the one I just mentioned).

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>>17932091
>which at that point you wouldn't be here in the first place.
Depends on if you're in the thread for help or not.

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>>17932127
Sometimes you're better off looking things up in actual Japanese dictionaries, I've found. There's not really going to be a comprehensive 英和辞書 with all the slang, unfortunately.

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>>17931563
That took a long time to download. Thanks a lot for this.

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>>17932147
How big was it?

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>>17931721
You made a mistake reading the chart.
FH has 462182 lexemes and 864065 CHARACTERS.
Satsukoi has 171580 lexemes and 319473 characters.
I do agree with >>17931679 though

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あしたは

あめ

にいなめさい

はたびー

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>>17932193
1GB. My computer has issues though which is why it took awhile.

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>>17932227
ジェンツーをインストールする方がいい。

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>>17932248
あっはい

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>>17931527
No, they are just ungrammatical.

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What Japanese twitters to do you follow, DJT?

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>>17932264
Decided to try to explain why.

You can't say "There are not X" without an entailment quantifier like "any" or "enough" or the likes. You can only say "There are no X". The reason is that "not" isn't attached to the copula when topical copular is done, it's attached to the noun it precedes. "There are not X" is therefore the copular inverse of "Not X are there", not "X are not there". "Not X are there" is ungrammatical. You would have to give them an entailment quantifier that accepts "not" on the left and a plural noun on the right, like "any" or "enough". If you can't do that, "No X are there" are okay, rendering "There are no X" grammatical.

"There is no hope to do with such poor Japanese" is trivially ungrammatical and if you don't understand why its use of the infinitive is ungrammatical then you don't know English. Nobody who speaks a mainstream variety of English would ever accept it as grammatical.

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>>17932284
Strictly gay muscle fetish blogs.

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>>17931982
Seconding for this. Apparently what I'm listening to is easy but it's hard to look up words when it goes by so fast.

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きのうののこりの

ぶりで

ぶりだいこんつくるよ

たべる？

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>tfw 特別研究施設使用

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>>17932284

Fighting game players, doujin creators and mangaka.

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>>17932382
>たべる
昼食を食べたばかり、ぼくはいい
ところで、それは高い？

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腹減ったけど食べたくない
変けど食べたくない
美味しいそうけど食べたくない
もう

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>>17932402
what a fucking weeb

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>>17932437
おみせでたべるとたかいよ。身を使ってるぶりだいこんね

あたしのはふつうに「あら」をつかうからね

くわしくはここをよむといいよ
http://dt125kazuo.blog22.fc2.com/blog-entry-3575.html

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Would you all suggest jumping straight into a VN after finishing TK? I tried playing one but it way, way over my head. More than it probably should have been. I was able to get through the first few screens with the help of Yomichan but am not sure that I learned anything. I'm thinking of switching to something like NHK Easy News until I can play and read what I want to, which is an unhookable game without furigana.

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>>17932526
Yes. You don't have to read it quickly but you have to expose yourself to its text and try to understand it. It's the only way to make grammar rules stick.

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>>17932382
ehh, buri to ha?

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>>17932531
heres a simple imouto checklist
>don't know what hes talking about
>its food

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>>17932546
hai, hai, wakatta yo

kedo ima de ha jisyo wo tukaenai

setumei wo ureku to uresii

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>>17932499

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>>17932562
reported for filth

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>>17932571
...

hontoni?

gomen

tinamini *ukeru

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>>17932526
It's not learning if it's not work and it's not work if it doesn't suck

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>>17932629
Watching anime isn't work and you can learn the language from watching anime

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分かってください

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>>17932566
さかなたべないくにのあのんは

さかなの頭（かしら）をバラバラにするのが

きもちわるいってきいたことある

きのうのよるそれやったよ

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>>17932646
If you're watching anime to learn the language it is work and you have to pay pretty close attention. You can't just sit back and take it easy and hope to eventually magically learn to speak Japanese, anon.

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>>17932654
>You can't just sit back and take it easy and hope to eventually magically learn to speak Japanese
But I did

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>>17932654
Not to mention that your chance of picking up how to read from anime is approximately zero.

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>>17932654
the guy you're replying to believes strongly everybody can learn exactly the same way he did
its quite high level autism

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>>17932679
Did you mean: can learn only the same way he did

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>>17932680
yeah that too

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>>17932679
>>17932680
10000 hours of anime or no Japanese fluency for you

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Did anyone else use the Core 2k/6k images? I feel like I should drop them because some of them are just plain weird/dumb, but I'm not sure if they're actually helping me or I'm just getting annoyed by them.

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>>17932701
It's shit.

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Japanese is weird. Japanese people are the most polite people around yet Japanese has a thousand different ways of talking like a thug.

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>>17932688
>fluency
>literally illiterate
I mean technically that's not impossible but it is pretty pathetic.

Not to mention your vocabulary would be as deep as a kiddie pool.

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>>17932724
I'm aiming for a litte bit older but I guess kiddie pool is fine too

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>>17932719
They clearly got it from the Chinese.

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ぶりだいこんは

かなり人気だよ

ブリはおいしいさかなだけどえいごで

yellowtailでほんとうにつうじますか？

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if i move on to primarily using a farming deck, how do i deal with core6k and the words i'm learning there? do i just stop it altogether and add them to my farm deck when I encounter them and forgot what they were?

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>>17932815
I've just continued doing my reps in core and only learning new cards from it when the reviews start to get low. Main focus is on mining.

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Any way to make it so that Hanahira doesn't pause when you click on another window?

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why mine when we have core 10k?

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>>17932873
Because Core10k has garbage coverage over dialogue, narration, and internet writing.

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>四=し/よん/よっつ
>八=はち/やっつ
>四日=よっか
>八日=ようか

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>>17932873
core10k doesn't have japanese memes

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>>17932774
Japanese amberjackとyellowtailともう
あんまり英語の国の海にいない

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>>17932902
As a new learner who's only spent a couple months, I still fuck up the readings all the time, and whenever one pops up in anki I usually just go "well, I know that 四日 means fourth day of the month/four days, so even if I accidentally read it wrong, fuck it."

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>>17932927
>so even if I accidentally read it wrong, fuck it."

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>>17932932
Meaning is more importantly than remembering "is it よっか or ようか" and they're such commonly-used words that eventually it'll be impossible for it to not fully sink in, so I don't worry about it any further than that. That kind of thing.

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ok actually guys you know what coreXK is stupid why would you try to learn kanji in words without knowing their meanings

literally arr rook same and because you don't know the individual similar looking kanji you get confused about the reading AND don't remember the meaning of the word because you don't know what the kanji signify

i think i'm just going to start reading more, it's more natural because when you look up a word you can obviously check the kanji with rikaichamp

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>>17932924
せかいじゅうにコロニーあったのに

えいこくじんブリたべなかったの？

こうちゃのくにがわからない

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>>17932937
まちがったらいけないときには

>ハチ
>八日

っていうよ

アルファとかブラボーとかそういうのと

にてる？

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why do people in these threads write in hiragana only? is it to make reading more difficult for everyone else

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>>17932946
あおだね

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>>17932946
>more difficult
Makes it easier for me

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>>17932955
かえる

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>>17932950
そうだよ, >>17932955

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>>17932958
あおでわなかったね?

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>>17932958
Now write an actual sentence instead of a single word

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>>17932971
>actual sentence
>single word
What's the difference in Japanese?

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>>17932971
oh so now you can't tell the meaning without a kanji? maybe japanese is easier with kanji, hmm?

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>>17932958
>telling someone to fuck off for not liking kanji
>proceeds to not use 帰

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>>17932983
>>17932990
What I'm telling you is the hiragana only posts in this thread have actual context in them so you can easily tell which words they meant even if they were homophones

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>>17933006
Because they write like toddlers.

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>>17933010
Toddlers can't write.

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>>17933012
they can write ... in hiragana

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>>17933015
No, toddlers can't write.

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>>17933019
maybe you're a brainlet? i could read before i hit age 4

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>>17933026
Sarcastic shitposting is just shitposting.

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>>17933026
Heh, well, for what it's worth, I was already reading Japanese newspapers before I could even speak English... Ah, I must have been 2 years old.

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ITT: genkitoddlers who used hiragana only for two semesters

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ITT: ankidrones who learnt Chinese instead of Japanese

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Help, I accidentally became fluent in Yokohama Pidgin dialect instead of Japanese. Nawzay desk car! Nawzay cone no joke yo knee naw rooned uh? Cheek on more nigh daw! She go toe he two yoda, coup room mar more nigh, knee hone go wa die itchy die set rur taw. Task get tay coup dar sigh!

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>>17932950
>>17932968
What does あお mean?

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>>17933054
Green, as in greenhorn or inexperienced.

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>>17933051

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>>17933051

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>>17933058
>Stoats, stats, meats, yotes, it suits, moots, nannats, yachts, coconuts, toe
Good lord

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>>17933058
How do you order a burger?

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>>17933097
be obese
yell random things in english using your best american accent, and point at your mouth

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>>17933097
"Barg coup d'sigh" is one way.

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これは

えいごで

なんていったらつうじるか

おしえておにいちゃん

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>>17931563
Thanks!!

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>>17933161
>えいごで
pressure cooker

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>>17933195
ありがとう

おれいにぶりだいこんあげる

>killed by flying pressure cooker lid
>《be ～》飛んできた圧力鍋の蓋で死ぬ

これはどんなときにつかうの？

うんがわるいとかそういうことをいうの？

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>>17933213
誰もそんな表現を使わないですよ
実は今は初めて聞きました

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why does ンッシ red as 'saushi'? is there something i missed?

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>>17933227
Except it doesn't? That's nsshi, which doesn't mean anything as far as I know.
"Saushi" would be サウシ, and the closest thing to something possibly meaningful that looks like what you wrote would be ソッシ which is "sosshi."

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>>17933235
http://blackclover.wikia.com/wiki/Sosshi
and don't say it was translated wrong, i watched the anime and it defintly sounded like sosshi. or soushi. still longshot from nsshi.

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>>17933242
you can't tell the difference between ソ and ン thats all

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>>17933242
That's sosshi, which is correct. You wrote it as nsshi.
ン is n, ソ is so.

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>>17933213
>killed by flying pressure cooker lid
怖っｗ

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>>17933250
>>17933252
oops

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>>17933058
Dostedt

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DJTで

ぶりだいこん

にんきないのかな

しられていないのかな？

カレーもそうだけど

茶色がダメなの？

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>>17933097
baaga puriizu

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ねえ子猫ちゃん、なんで漢字を使わないのか？
女子だからって訳は受け入れられないよ
初級者しか読みやすくならないって知っているだろう？

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きゃああっ
へんたい
だれかたすけて

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>>17933391
ふふッ、逃げる場所はないぞ

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>>17933376
うえめせんです

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>>17933406
俺たち中級者以上に優しくしてくれよ

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I know wondering about the "what-if's" of history is stupid in reality, but why didn't the Japanese ever just expand their syllabary with sounds they theoretically should be able to make without any difficulty?
They could add yi and ye to the y-row, she to the shi-row, tsa tsi tse tso to the tsu-row, che to the chi-row, ti and tu to the ta-row bring back wi and we and add wu to the wa-row.

It wouldn't even increase the complexity of the language at all. There are even already some loanwords that use ti and tu.
Of course the language is now way past the point of implementing new kana and restructuring the lexicon to better reflect the original pronunciation of loanwords and possibly changing native words to reduce the number of homophones (if even by a little) but it makes you wonder why the Japanese never thought of it.

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>>17933492
Why didn't English ever just add more vowels to cope with its terrible orthography problems?

Because that's not how language related things work.

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>>17933496
there's literally nothing wrong with english orthography

t. eurofag

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>>17933518
It's worth noting that English did in fact have a couple more vowel letters at some points in time but stopped using them because
1) the words they were spelled with stopped being pronounced in reliably different ways than other vowel letters
2) printing presses didn't have them

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>>17933518
Other than that it's completely fucked up and hardly matches the sounds at all, you mean?

[Anonymous No.]

I have a VN question.

I would like to play Kanon.

There are lots of versions out there with different problems. I was playing on the PSP in Japanese, but all voice acting stops about 1/3 of the way through the game (a bug (?) that I've seen mentioned on Amazon.jp reviews). At my intermediate level of Japanese without text hooking, this was a problem.

I also have a working PC version with English text and JP voice acting, but I can't for the life of me get voices working with Japanese text, even with the little Japanese voice patcher program.

Can anyone help me get a working version of Kanon with Japanese text and full voice acting? PSP or PC, either is fine. I believe there was another release of the PSP version, did this have voices all the way through? Does somebody have a correctly patched SEEN file for PC? Yuuichi voice gets bonus points.

plz help anon you're my only hope

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933552
Did you ask the vn thread yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933404
かべどんされたい

ＴＩＫ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933548
only slav europoor brainlets who can't learn languages say this meme, I can look at any new word and come up with a few options of which at least one is the proper one

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933556
Ah that sounds sensible! I'll go and do that now. Ta.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933566
Yeah, totally. That's why people have been arguing in favour of fixing that shit for ages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English-language_spelling_reform

[Anonymous No.]

First time I see someone actually using "ta" on the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933605
田

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933608
なんでやねん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933605
I'm actually logging in from late 19th century England.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933612
Doesn't it still see a good amount of colloquial usage?
I mean I wouldn't know, I don't even live in the UK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933548
>>17933588
English orthography is perfectly fine. Most spelling reform is aimed towards the illiterate whom it will hardly help.

The Latin alphabet is not a syllabary like kana, though some are represented by single letters, the basic units of pronunciation are most often compounds.
Understanding that, along with learning to recognise whether a word is Germanic, Latin, or Greek based on those compounds will steer you towards the correct pronunciation in 95% of cases.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933617
Not an awful lot. More up NORTH I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933621
English orthography impairs the ability of fiction to meaningfully render character voice because it's too unrepresentative of the underlying phonotactic syntax of the language. You would understand how this is possible if you knew enough Japanese to read in it regularly, where this is not a problem and character voice is represented very well because of the reliable orthography.

[Anonymous No.]

what do you do if you came up with the right word but then you decided you weren't at all sure what it was and clicked show answer thinking it was a new word, but the one and only guess you had was right? do you press again or hard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933630
hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933406
うめせんせいです

にみえました

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933621
>The Latin alphabet is not a syllabary like kana, though some are represented by single letters, the basic units of pronunciation are most often compounds.
That's not an excuse, especially considering how English compounds work in highly irregular ways, without the same letters always producing the same sounds, and many even being silent.
Now contrast that with some other languages that use the same alphabet, like Finnish for instance, and you'll see a near 100% match between pronunciation and writing.

[Anonymous No.]

kana should be made illegal and particles and suffixes should all have new kanji made for them

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933649
Finnish coincidentally also happens to be one of the ugliest languages in the world both in speech and writing...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933652
中国人でてけ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933656
Your mom was an ugly woman who gave birth to an ugly son, both in face and mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933666
Calm down Pekka.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933609
ちゃんとたべる
このように
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1510542606356.webm

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933656
Finnish is one of the most beautiful languages on the planet and if nothing else one can appreciate it for actually being a language where spelling correlates to the pronunciation of its words.
And no, I'm not Finnish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933666
You shouldn't speak of his brother like that.

[Anonymous No.]

Trying to set up the Anki auto import thing on my laptop but I get this error when I press R. Does anyone know how to fix this? Using Waterfox if it matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933058
Did anyone ever figure out what word "jiggy" is supposed to be?

[Anonymous No.]

When editing the back of my cards should I only leave in the definitions that match the context I found the word in?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933492
Some dumb thougt I had today, but maybe Japanese has just 400 or something syllables compared to 7000 in English (https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/why-do-japanese-people-talk-so-fast/)) because of the rigid keigo shit. Like, you try to constantly try to enunciate everything so correctly and courteously that eventually everything gets filtered into just a handful of "acceptable" syllables.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933649
>>17933656
>>17933725

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933617
In the North where I'm from, we use it all the time.

Some people up here still say "thee" and "thou".

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933814
I dunno, I never used Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933914
I showed this image to my Finnish friend a while ago and he told me that other than starting with kä-, these words aren't all related, and the image is just being deceptive.
And even if they were all related, that's just how agglutinative languages work.

[Anonymous No.]

What is the ugliest kanji and why is it 為?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933952
凸

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933952
女

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933952
凹 凸 〆 and 渋 are all better contenders for that title.

>>17933964
I one-up you with 姦.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933952
That kanji is fine. 牽 is a real ugly kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone explain to me what exactly a 描き下ろし (かきおろし) is in the context of manga?

Dictionaries (even Japanese ones) only give definitions for 書き下ろし (which seems to refer to something different in the context of literary works).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934004
And what are those magical dictionaries that don't have a definition for it? Enter it in Google and you get wikipedia, weblio and multiple chiebukuro explaining it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934004
Look at the kanji.
描
書

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934023
The weblio one is actually just a re-direct to 書き下ろし.

The Wikipedia description is kind of vague. I'm looking through related pages on 教えて!goo and Yahoo! 知恵袋 but they're quite vague-sounding as well. They just seem to say it's a something drawn newly for the release of a volume, but that's not really very specific.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934049
>They just seem to say it's a something drawn newly for the release of a volume, but that's not really very specific.

But that's what it means. How could it be more specific?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933921
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934088
Why the anger?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934094
Not him, but you're not exactly doing anything helpful by replying to a question that's not even aimed at you if you've never used it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934094
Anger is a typical syndrome among ankidrones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934129
Why are Anki users so mad

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934140
I dunno, I never used Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>映画を観たかもしれない
Do I understand correctly that speaker either is talking about someone else or have really bad memory?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934164
>or have really bad memory?
probably this
anyway, people often don't remember the title of a movie and just piece together what they remember about it, so I don't think that's anything out of the ordinary

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934164
Both are possible and it depends completely on the context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934062
By giving an example of what sort of thing it might take the form of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933980
渋い looks exactly like what it means and I like it for that though. The other ones you listed are garbage though

[Anonymous No.]

Since the pronunciation of numbers changes from counter to counter (and the pronunciation of counters changes from number to number), is there any resource out there which tells you how each counter is supposed to be read with which numbers?

Whenever I encounter them in reading, I'm always at a loss. Is 一 with counter X supposed to be ひと? いち? いっ? Or perhaps some weird nonstandard reading which ignores the actual readings of both the number and the counter (一日)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934004
>>17934211
Example: an h-manga artist gets some of his work collected into a single volume, and the tankoubon includes a new bonus story - a 描き下ろし.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934294
ありがと

[Anonymous No.]

I feel like my progress in learning Japanese is being impeded by the fact I've got such narrow interests and don't really like talking to people.
No VNs really interest me, most manga aren't interesting to me and the ones that are can't be found anywhere as far as I know or need to be purchased (I'm piss poor so that's not really an option) and there aren't any TV shows I'm interested in.
I still want to learn the language but I have no idea how to get real exposure to the language when my taste in media is so niche.

Do I really just need to either cough up what money I can and buy the manga I want to read, or force myself to read a VN even if I don't like it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934294
*書き下ろし

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934320
*kakiorosi

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934310
Why don't you just read a book?
Plenty of stuff in the DJT Library

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934310
What do you like?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934310
>I want to learn a language, but I do not want to read anything in that language or talk to people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934328
I glanced through the stuff a few times and didn't see anything that looked interesting. I'll give it another look, I guess.

>>17934331
Edgy stuff, to be blunt. I remember checking VNDB a while back and found a few VN's I'd like to read but none of them were uploaded anywhere as far as I know. One of them that were available for purchase cost around 90 bucks and had to be physically shipped, which I simply can't afford.

>>17934334
Yeah, very funny oversimplification.
I do want to read stuff in the language but I simply can't see it through if it's boring to me. If I could simply read anything and wouldn't get bored then I'd be sitting and going through every thread on every board on 2ch right now.
As for talking to people, I'd struggle half the time to express myself properly and have no interesting hobbies and little personality to speak of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934345
>found a few VN's I'd like to read but none of them were uploaded anywhere as far as I know
Such as?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934345
I'm pretty burnt out on most media myself but picking up random shit until I find something that keeps my interest works well.
Alternatively, you can do something like play a video game in Japanese or watch unhealthy amounts of Japanese ASMR like I do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934358
I can only remember two of them, one being Swan Song and the other being Subarashiki Hibi.
There were 2 more or so but I don't want to spend half an hour going through the tags to find which ones they were.

>>17934363
These days other than blindly Ankidroning all I do is read the occasional few posts on 2ch, read tweets from Japanese artists, and read through guro, ryona, snuff, etc. doujins because at least they're interesting to me.
I've considered Japanese games before but there aren't really any that come to mind that I want to play. There's always the option of playing a game again in the Japanese translation. Maybe I'll do that with MGS5 or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934345
>found a few VN's I'd like to read but none of them were uploaded anywhere as far as I know
>>17934381
>I can only remember two of them, one being Swan Song and the other being Subarashiki Hibi.
What.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934381
>Swan Song and the other being Subarashiki Hibi.
Just checked for both on Pantsu and they're there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934387
>>17934391
Guess that shows two things then, the first being that I've got some reading material now and the second that the fact that both games have sex scenes which makes them go in the R-18 section is the reason why I couldn't find them.
Guess I've got >>391 to thank and myself to curse for being stupid.
Cheers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934381
>japanese translation
You mean original

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934410
In that case, yes. MGS5 came to my mind after I wrote it, because I was originally thinking of Rainbox Six Siege for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934320
描き下ろし is the spelling used when referring to drawn works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934328
A great deal of the stuff in there is missing volumes or only has certain volumes which were professionally digitized.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933793
Maybe 直

[Anonymous No.]

話を合う = to play along

right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934511
合う is intransitive, but yeah, pretty much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934518
Oops. I though that was the causative of 合う but I guess it wasn't. Didn't realise there was a separate verb with the same form.

Sometimes this language feels like it was deliberately designed to fuck with gaijin as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934531
合わせる is indeed the causative form of 合う, it's just so common that every dictionary gives it its own entry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934537
Ah, so causative forms always become transitive verbs then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934310
>most manga aren't interesting to me and the ones that are can't be found anywhere as far as I know or need to be purchased
Well, that's got me worried. I'm poor as fuck too. What sites have you checked that you can't find the manga you want to read? jcafe and raw-novel hasn't failed me yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934599
I tried googling the name of the manga (平成生まれ) in Japanese, then English, then looked around on nyaa and did the same stuff.
All I found was a crappy English translation of chapter 1 and no raw other than a sample of a few pages or maybe it was the whole first chapter, but not more than that.
Can't access jcafe and can't find whatever site raw-novel is, so haven't tried those.

[Anonymous No.]

I have been depressed and busy trying to get my life back on track so I haven't been doing any Japanese study for about 2 months now. Last week I started reading pokemon special daily,(which is baby tier) without mining.
I'm looking for a reentry point. I'm thinking about finally starting writing practice so I'm going to go through RTK. Mind you I was really dedicated up until my hiatus and have approximately 4k anki cards between core and my mining deck.
Any suggestions for a good reentry point?
I love you guys, hope you're well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934629
It's here: https://mokuroku.neocities.org/

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw you forget a day of Anki, ruining your perfect streak
How do people manage to go hundreds of days and not forget to do Anki a single time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934668
I do it as a morning routine. Do you forget to brush your teeth or shower?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934575
I believe so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934662
Wow, really? Thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.]

おう、目覚ましが早いか

おはよう、みんな

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934731
おはようさん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934731
二度寝してもいいけどみんな手伝って

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934673
I forget to brush my teeth a couple times a week actually...

Depression can do that to you

汚さの果ては虫歯のに

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934673
Why would you brush your teeth in the morning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934826
so your breath smells fresh if you're not a hikikomori probably

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933952
為 is aesthetic as fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934840
何の為に？

誰かよりお金を受けた？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933588
How the fuck do you phonetically spell a language with no universal pronunciation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934861
by fusing the most common pronunciation of the letter(s) with the most common pronunciation of the word

but sometimes in english even "most common" is kind of up to whoever is doing the writing, with some words having ten different pronunciations with none of them convincing a majority of speakers

get people to agree on how to pronounce scone and then we'll talk

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934858
本当に考えさせる

[Anonymous No.]

What's harder, English or Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934965
The opposite for speakers of each.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934965
The barrier of entry is significantly lower for English, especially if you already speak a romance language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934965
As far as I know, they're both among the hardest languages in the world to learn.

English plays fast and loose with grammar and pronunciation rules, especially because in modern times it incorporates words from all over the world, and its writing system is much less centrally controlled than in most other languages (in many countries with their own language, spelling etc. are actually established through legal mandate).

However, Japanese has probably the most complex writing system in the world, and one of the highest homophone counts of any major language.

Japanese is rated (by the NSA, no less) as the most difficult language for English-speakers to learn, at any rate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934965
Every ESL I've asked about English has said that it's a really easy language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935026
>NSA
You mean FSI?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935027
To be fair, you have some selection bias there.

"According to people who successfully did thing, doing thing isn't that hard."

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935026
>English
>among the hardest languages in the world to learn.
I didn't even read the rest of your post

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935039
No, I mean NSA.

https://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/Japanese-ranked-the-most-difficult-language-to-learn

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935045
what the fug

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935042
>western animation
コメントを読む前にこっちの目が自殺した。

[Anonymous No.]

I'm over 5000 words into Anki, have over 2300 Kanji in my Kanji deck and still mix up 八 and 六. Am I retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935067
At least you don't mix up 六 and 立.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935067
At least you dont mix up 段　階

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935080
Yea I really don't. No clue how that could happen t anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935045
The article is bullshit, they're clearly talking about the FSI's rankings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935087
Yea I don't mix that up either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935040
I don't see what's wrong with that. People who have successfully done something are exactly the people you should ask about how difficult something is.

People who haven't done something successfully might've failed on account of their method/approach being shitty, and then concluded that the thing they were trying to do was too difficult when in reality they were just going about it in a retarded way which doesn't work and wouldn't have worked for the successful people either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935087
It was a long time until I stopped fucking that up. It's probably because core introduces 段階 and 階段 within like 10 words of each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935091
https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/cryptologic-spectrum/assets/files/foreign_language.pdf

おk

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934965
English, way too little compelling content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935103
or because they're partial synonyms...

[Anonymous No.]

How do you say "Thanks in advance"? Or any natural sounding phrase to say in reply to someone who you asked to do something but they said "sorry can't right now but will next month"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935126
よろしく

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935104
Seems like they vastly overstate inflection in Japanese and ignore the tonal qualities of Chinese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935104
I concede defeat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934861
The way it usually happens is that you take the most prestigious version and base the sounds off that. Once the sounds are fixed, you can write the regional varieties based on how they sound too, which will result in different spellings.
Now that you have established a proper standard, the local varieties will start to look like some kind of gippo speech will eventually wither and die out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933952
為 is good
入 is worst

[Anonymous No.]

一夫多妻

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935138
yeah i don't know why they don't make a bigger deal out of tonal stuff either

japanese does have some tonality to it but it's not like chinese where if you get the tone wrong your entire sentence is wrong, you'll just sound a bit odd

and considering tone is a bitch to learn...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935168
にゅうううううう

It sounds so cute though!

[Anonymous No.]

>綺麗な先生だったな
This is a few minutes into k-on.
Why do japanese people describe people using the past form? Am I misinterpreting something here and this grammar is actually some form of だって?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935207
Because they're dead, for one. Stop being an idiot and give context for your questions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935207
What's wrong with it? We do this in English too.
"I had a girlfriend once. She was a nice person."
"The guy I just talked to was really rude."

[Anonymous No.]

Am I retarded or is answer #2 and #5 the same? They are both correct.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935219
You are right I guess. I was just being dumb like >>17935214 said.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it worth it to reread tyler kim? I finished reading it a while back and haven't touched a grammar resource since, and now that I've read some content I've learned a little better how grammar patterns work, just not how to understand the perfectly. Waste of time? Should I just DOJG literally everything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935236
Volkswagon's vs Volkswagen's

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935236
what kind of hellish spot the difference puzzle is this in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935258
You might not like it, but this is how peak learning looks like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935248
You should brush up on a grammar guide but not re-read tae kim. Read a different guide. Having read several perspectives of the same stuff will help it stick and clear up misconceptions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935258
Yeah this is just stupid, it's not even testing for comprehension anymore...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935236
by the way isn't it 3 or am i misreading 首位

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935281
首位 means first place. The 3rd one makes it seem like "among", doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935286
True, but the phrasing in the original doesn't say anything about "output," just placement.

The third answer choice is the only one which doesn't use the word "output," and since that isn't in the phrasing of the question, I thought it would be correct.

But I may be wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935042
Even native speakers can't reliably conjugate a good portion of verbs correctly

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935236
This seems to be aimed at English learners. Or at least it would make more sense if that was the case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935294
I can speak English pretty good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935293
I mean it's says they beat out Volkswagen in sales, therefore they're going to be in first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935303

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935309
He did say "speak".

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935302
It's to test your ability to translate from Japanese to English. Japanese comprehension -> English production.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935304
Yeah, but the second sentence doesn't say anything about "output..."

It says "their third-year-running top placement was confirmed."

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935315
The second sentence says they beat VW in sales.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935314
It would make sense as a test aimed at English learners because you need to carefully examine all the sentences and spot the minor differences. It doesn't make sense for Japanese learners because you spend the majority of your time looking at English text.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935318
Yes!

But the word "output" isn't there!

有り得ない！どこに見ても有り得ない！

(I still may be wrong)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935320
I just told you it's to test translation abilities, which includes the production of English sentences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935327
Even the example sentence is about the amount of cars.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935329
You are not producing anything by checking a box though. Especially when it becomes a matter of seeing it says "Volkswagon" rather than "Volkswagen".

[Anonymous No.]

JMdict and Wiktionary are openly editable; has anyone here ever tried?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935294
Most native English speakers would take issue with the idea that there is a "correct" way to speak English in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935370
Yes. I got the definitions for 已然形 and 未然形 rewritten by opening a conversation on their mailing list.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935343
But where are you finding that word in the Japanese?

I understand they are putting out cars--but a word like 「発売」 or 「発生」 isn't anywhere in the second sentence, is it? Even though 「発表」 is in the first sentence, correlating to the word "sold..."

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935357
Well it's just a preliminary test before a real test that's approved by humans. Some of the other questions are more ambiguous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935372
There most definitely is, even within dialects that have rules contradicting each other, there's internal consistency within them.

[Anonymous No.]

What the hell is "balance" supposed to mean here? And is とっている read as 取っている?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935377
発表 doesn't mean what you think it means.

上回る
ある基準数量を超える。予定量以上になる。

It says they "surpassed a certain known quantity" aka the amount of cars.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935384
五

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935408
Yep, although they don't explicitly tell you what you got right or wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935401
Yeah, I deleted it because I realised that like two seconds after I clicked Post.

I still think it was 3 but now I have egg on my face so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935410
Actually I meant it's #4, I now realize you were trolling. My bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935421
国産 means "domestically produced," Provence is in France.

There's no mention of Japan in the question.

Why would it be 4? Are we supposed to assume the speaker and listener are in Japan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935416
I can tell you're new, one thing you should learn is that even if a sentence doesn't have だから in it, it's still heavily implied in sentences like that.

In casual it's more like te-form xてy meaning xだからy, and in written speech it's more like masu-stem xり,y meaning the same thing. You see it all the time. The second one you'll only see in more formal writing though. It's almost always followed by a comma.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935441
Care to explain how you can have Provence "style" fabric that's produced in Provence? Seems like a bit of a contradiction, no? It's like when people have 国語 class, it's Japanese class, it's never anything else. When it's just stated like that I think it's heavily implied it's Japanese, especially since it's already been admitted to not be really from that place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935458
If it's produced domestically in Japan and the speaker is Japanese, why did the speaker take it home and show it to the adults, who were all apparently awestruck by this wonderful fabric which was presumably made in the next town over?

[Anonymous No.]

>Your first attempt at reading will be difficult regardless of how many words you know

what if I learn 40,000 words first?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935478
If you spend that much time learning words and none learning how they fit together you might actually make it harder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935478
why

learn them in context

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935496
This looks like it would be too easy

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935477
帰省 doesn't mean back to your home country, it means back to your house that you grew up in.

夏期休暇などに，故郷に帰ること。故郷に帰り父母の安否を問うこと。帰郷。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935510
>なにくそより
>ゆりへまく
what the fuck is this and why is it gibberish

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935513
>帰省 doesn't mean back to your home country, it means back to your house that you grew up in.
It doesn't mean either of those things. It means "to go home."

It's pretty general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935528
It definitely doesn't mean just that. You would never use the word 帰省 if you were going home after work for something. For that you would use a word like 帰宅, much more common and just means to return to the hosue you live in. 帰省 means returning to your parents home, your family (that you rarely see), your birth place.

A quick google search brings up this question:

https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1121931841

[Anonymous No.]

>those cards that even if you put on show again in 10 minutes you still cannot remember the hira for

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935553
By the way... If it doesn't tell you your results, how do you know if you were right or not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935556
yah it's like when I'm trying to write a word in english but I can't remember which alpha to use haha

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935566
It just tells you how many you got correct, to prevent people from sharing correct answers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935576
Did you get all of them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935570
yah i no write

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933742
P-Please respond

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935590
>windows
問題を見つけた。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935582
4/5 so there's no real way to know unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935635
Still a pretty good job. 頑張ろう。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935478
Will still be hard, it's not the words that throw you off, it's the hundreds of grammar you have to make sense of. You can easily translate words, but not meaning of sentences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935677
To be honest, once you have a fair level of experience I think idioms and slang become the major roadblock, not words or grammar.

Language learners the world over can become absolutely fluent in the "dictionary form" of a language and still trip up horribly over actual native speech. For most any language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935677
>>17935688
The dictionary meaning you learn isn't always right on, a lot of times I find that it's the definition but in a different sense, removed a degree or two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935698
じゃあ、そもそも言語の全ての意味を記録することは多分無理なんだなぁ。

[Anonymous No.]

よがり狂わせてやるよ。
This is "I'll make you go made with pleasure", right? Is "よがり狂わせて" somehow a noun?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935781
yaru is just a common slangy form of "to do" (usually)

you can tack it on as an auxiliary after a て form of a verb pretty much whenever desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934276

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935922
>>17934276
There's a set of rough rules, and if some combination deviates from this, it is usually listed in dictionaries in my experience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935781
やる as an auxiliary verb is used with the same meaning as あげる but more casually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935922
Just download the Minna no Nihongo 1 book, print the appendix and there you have it. It has every basic counter shown like you apparently want it, from days and minutes to counting animals and socks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17935922
>>17936026
I forgot to add, this one comes in the "translations manual" and not the workbook one.

[Anonymous No.]

someone please help me with phrasing search query to find
>top J-POP albums of all time

all I see are greatest hits compilations. BTW do you know what is the biggest Jap site for rating music?

[Anonymous No.]

I forgot how comfy the old jisho.org is. The fucking minimalist whitespace meme has to go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936042
top as in?

sales? popularity? critical reception?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936051
it was a fuckload easier to use, too

they hid most of the decent features behind semi-obscure commands you have to type directly into the search box now

they could at least make the documentation on it easy to find if they're going to take away the options menu

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936053
good question I forgot to clarify!
I mean "best" as in acclaim, the classics that are considered the best; not the best selling ones
I'm thinking of some list where some nerd arranged them or maybe a ranking where people voted on them

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936051
They both suck. We night a night mode version. Staring at brightly coloured websites all day hurts my eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936042
btw I meant results in Japanese
damn, that post was a mess

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936061
おすすめ is a good word to know

first hit: http://recochoku.jp/genre/j-pop/

名曲, 人気曲 (renowned, popular music, respectively) are also probably good words to start with

i'm not a pro at japanese googling by any means though

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936111
I stumbled upon this site but it unfortunately lists only the latest recommended albums, not of all time ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936063
you can always force a custom CSS on it or something

it'd be nice if there were offline JMdict based dictionaries as good as Jisho.org though, i've looked but never found one

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936145
You could try this
http://www.jlookup.net/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936135
here's something from page two (gasp!)

http://blog.gururimichi.com/entry/2014/11/08/205352

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936155
interesting, never tried that one before

have you used it? i'm using 互いに for offline right now, if you know how it compares

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck the animal crossing mobage got me hooked. I should delete it before it asks for my real money, but the easy Japanese hooked me in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936206
drop it and read some dazai instead lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936159
maybe there's no site like the one I'm talkng about
now that would be funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936185
No, I did not try it. I only know its the dictionary game grammar uses when he streams.

[Anonymous No.]

Just finished the 45 minute written test for translating and fucking nailed it (I think). Hope I get approved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936234
Better be for assembling a desk or checking oil and not storytelling.
EOPs can go fuck themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936249
I imagine it's mostly business related stuff. Maybe translating an instruction manual or something. I doubt many people would go through a website to translate a novel or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936234
ご武運を。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936234
The pay at Gengo is so bad though, I hope you don't mind being exploited

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936226
Ah... I don't do any actual study stuff, so stuff which focuses on "look at all these neat flashcards/games/study aids!" is kind of eh to me. Not that 互いに is any better about that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936215
maybe

i can't think of many english-language sites with ratings for anything older than 2005 either, just occasional magazine articles and such

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936271
Probably, there is an upper tier that pays more though. I'm mostly just doing this for validation of my Japanese learning efforts though. Maybe I'll translate stuff here and there as a sort of hobby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936288
well, there's RYM

https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=alltime&genre_include=1&genres=J%2dPop&include_child_genres=t&include=both&limit=none&countries=

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936206
Is there furigana for the kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936271
Also just for reference the 45 minute test was 300 words, at $0.03 per word that's $12 per hour. You can realistically go faster than this though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936290
how long have you been learning Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

I've been at it for three weeks. So far my routine is Anki, textbook, Tae Kim, and JapanesePod101 while at work. So far I can understand basic sentences and know about 50 kanji. How am I doing, and how can I improve?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936300
5 years, although not really actively studying at all after the first 2. Nowadays I just watch my weekly idol shows and read 2ch for like 15 minutes in bed. Sometime's I'll get the motivation to read some manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936297
No, but it's very, very simple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936306
do you think you could have learnt it faster if you did some things differently?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936290
If you just want to measure your skills, do JCAT instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936313
time * concentration

Unless you have a really retarded method for learning this is basically the formula for everything. Reading and listening is a good method.

For example, leaving audio on in the background for 12 hours is 12 hours of audio, but almost 0 concentration. Anything multiplied by almost 0 is almost 0. Even if you have something playing in front of you while you do nothing but watch, you can easily not concentrate very well. The most important thing to do is to make sure you're attempting to understand at any given time. This is the hardest part. And of course do that for as long as you can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936325
Do you think reading or listening is more productive? Or would you say they're about the same?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936349
Reading for reading, listening for listening, obviously. Lots of people here practice reading and end up not being able to understand anything while listening. The reason is because you rely too much on the kanji. People always complain about "kana only" stuff, but that's what listening to the language is like. If you can't read something in all kana you most likely are shit at Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936362
Ah, that's about what I thought, thanks.

Do you think watching videos with (native) subtitles, etc. is helpful for that? Like, so you can associate the meaning and the sound? Or does that still lean too much toward kanji reliance?

[Anonymous No.]

>it says here one of your spoken languages is...Japanese
>care to explain?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936371
I mean it obviously helps with comprehension, but when you turn off the subtitles are you going to be better at listening because of it? Probably to some degree, but would it be better to just attempt to listen without them? I'm not sure. I think just listening would be more effective, but obviously less fun.

[Anonymous No.]

It is my belief that in the written form, kanji provide word boundaries that ease comprehension, while in the spoken form, this role is occupied by pitch accent, and this is why pure kana text is a fucking pain to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936373
Yup, I love studying languages. Languages are my life. *pulls out printed copies of all Duolingo trophies"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936373
Actually, I can only kind of decipher it with a text hooker, I thought it would be good to put down haha

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936402
It's also the case that spoken and written Japanese have different vocabularies on average.

In particular, 音読み are considerably less common in spoken Japanese, and they happen to be the source of most of the homophones... so.

Or at least, that's what I've read on the matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936373
日本語でおk

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936373
わかりませんｗ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936373
嘘だ。その紙に、絶対に嘘がかかる。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936303
Honestly, fifty kanji in three weeks is pretty slow.

I was aiming for twenty a day in the beginning.

I'm not sure how you can improve, though, since I didn't use any of those methods.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936507
What did you use?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936303
I think you are definitely on the slowish side. After 3 weeks you should have finished Tae Kim and go over to read at least shit like Yotsubato with the reading pack. Also there is no reason to use textbook together with TK, in fact there is no reason to use a textbook for Japanese in the first place.
Finish Tae Kim, read Yotsubato with reading pack and get a grasp of slang.
If you want to, you can keep doing Jpod101, but I would rather go over to some japanese only podcast.
Even if you dont understand anything at the beginning, you will recognize basic patterns. Those patterns with the knowledge of TK and slang introduced by the reading pack should let you at least understand basic sentences.
Afterwards its your turn to read or listen to more material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936538
Jisho.org + Blogs

That was really about it for the first couple of weeks, until I had grammar mostly down

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936538
Not that guy but I did Anki with Kanjidamage deck and Core 2k/6k. And I did 20 cards of each every day. That was sustainable for me but maybe not for others. But 50 kanji in 3 weeks is way too slow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936556
(Important bit was that I would reread things a lot until I could remember all the words in a paragraph, then move on.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936545
Thanks. In clarification it looks like I've been doing Tae Kim and Anki for only about one week, which is where the 50 kanji have come from. I was doing Genki for the two weeks before that, but not to a point where they introduced many kanji beyond like 今日 or the numbers. I'll try and pick up the pace.

>>17936545
>>17936556
>>17936557
Thanks for the suggestions!

[Anonymous No.]

I've seen a few female characters (that aren't tomboys) using かい instead of か, are they exceptions or is that more common than I was led to believe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936679
The masculinity thing is only true in real life and for a certain age bracket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936679
Could be a dialect thing. There are parts of Japan where girls use 俺 apparently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936373
Pull out your N1 certificate because you're not a faggot like the rest of /djt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936709
>JLPT
>testing speaking
啊

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936718
The white man won't know the difference

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936723
なるほど、御立派な計画だな。さすがN1先輩

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936373
My ancestors were Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936373
already had this situation except they were nice about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936709
Why would anyone stay in these threads if they were proficient enough to pass N1? Maybe it is odd but I only come to these threads during Anki rep breaks and to ask questions about things found while reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936752
>yfw あぁ本当におれも

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936718
>啊
Japan doesn't use 啊.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936709
What if you don't have any certificate?
>>17936771
What did they tell you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936772
Because they happen to be /jp/ users and these threads happen to be on /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936798
DJT is still /a/ territory though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936806
All of /jp/ was originally /a/ territory, it was just split off because moot hated Touhou.

Don't you know anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936788
I should have formulated it better, they unironically were nice I mean
just asking why I learn it etc. and I did my best to not sound like a fucking weeb and came up with oh you know, culture, history, cuisine bla bla (and manga)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936809
But why would he hate Touhou?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936809
Moot hated Touhou because of the common Touhou hijack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936798
i used to be on /a/ a lot and frequented djt there. then it got moved and i followed

never was on /jp/ much

[Anonymous No.]

Someone, please talk me out of mining every element of the periodic table.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936820
Nah, do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936820
It's really hard to do. You have to know what kinds of ores to look for and the smelting process has to be precise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936820
Seems cool, why not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936815
まあね。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936820
頑張って

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936820
I'll do it now.

[Anonymous No.]

>壁はぶ厚いぞ
Is this some sort of expression?

It doesn't come up in any dictionaries and I couldn't find anything through Google, but it seems like a completely random thing to say in this context, so I don't think the literal meaning here is the intended one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936909
Maybe black hair was embarrassed by their outburst so the other girl is reassuring her there's no reason to be?

[Anonymous No.]

How do I stop being lazy?
It's been months and I haven't even started tae kim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936948
hire a sumo wrestler to step on your foot every time you stop studying

[Anonymous No.]

Do you ever just get depressed because of your pathetic Japanese reading speed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936954
I'm depressed all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936954
I get more depressed because I still have to look up words even when I know all the kanji in them

Being otaku is suffering

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936930
I don't think so.

イカ broke a wall in the first chapter of the manga, so if it isn't an expression then the only thing I can think of is that it must have something to do with that, but there's been no indication in the subsequent chapters that the wall is still broken, and in the next chapter after the one in that image it's explicitly stated that the wall was fixed long ago (とっくに直ってる), so it doesn't seem to make sense for her to all of a sudden bring up the broken wall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936964
>I still have to look up words even when I know all the kanji in them
Even if you guess right, don't you want to check to make sure you're not wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936965
Isn't 黒髪さん running headfirst into the wall in the panel though...?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936980
It's more that just because I know their meanings and several of their readings that doesn't mean I know how to read them in that word...

So I have to look them up, again, for every word, until I remember which reading each word uses...

Again, and again

Forever

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936982
I don't see why she should be. I'm pretty sure she's just walking off casually (maybe while whistling considering the music note floating away from her). She's a laid-back character for the most part, not the sort to go randomly running into walls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937000
I just took it as, "Oh, she's so clueless she'll even run into a wall without a care in the world"

And the other girl is being nice and pointing out walls aren't a good thing to walk into

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936954
Listening is a pretty depressing experience for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17932053
能有る鷹爪を隠す

[Anonymous No.]

>>17931872
The only thing I can think of is 薏苡

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937025
>>17936954
Being able to listen to japanese is still beyond me. Conjugation are spoken in like a tenth of a second. How am I supposed to hear what inflection was being used while focusing on the rest of the sentence? The good news is that reading a lot helped my brain ingrain some patterns that I can easily pick up when listening but the finish line is still far ahead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17933531
Exactly. Just like modern Jap no longer uses ゑ and ゐ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937051
Do you listen carefully and think about which inflection a verb is using in English?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937051
>>17937025
My listening just got better by watching more and more anime. I know it's usually a meme when people here tell you watch anime but for listening, watching tons of anime made it super easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937075
「ゐ」

一体なんだそれは？！

変なことじゃん？！吐き出させる感じが…！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937099
きのふ、ゑびすを飲んでゐて、けふ、ぼくにも吐気...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937078
English hardly has any inflections and they all sound very different. Goes, going, went (I don't think you can even call the last one an inflection).

In Japanese you get 帰らない and 帰れない which sound really similar. Also 帰っていた and 帰っていった. 帰られる and 帰らせる also sound quite alike.

Then of course you have to deal with multiple inflections being stacked on top of each other in Japanese. Comparing the inflections in Japanese to those of English is disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937175
The only ones of those I ever have trouble with is ら and れ

I don't think I could ever confuse れ and せ, or いた and いった. They're pretty different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937175
Watch more animu

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937226
Sorry, I'm not a weeb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937230

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937230
>4chan
>jp
>/djt/
>not a weeb
そんな異世界から救出してくれ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937175
Except the inflections it does possess in the pronouns and strong verbs are highly irregular.

[Anonymous No.]

weebs ruined /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937230
じゃなんでここにいんのか

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937281
>/jp/edos ruined /jp/
間違いない。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937230
>wants to learn japanese
>doesn't want exposure to japanese media
Strong choice there. Out of curiosity, what do you want to do with the language in the first place that you consider to be less weeb than committing to easy listening practice with non-textbook speech?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17931563
Transcripts?

[Anonymous No.]

Am I deaf or just dumb?
How come this 試験 is pronounce as 'sh-ken'? The i should in し is missing. Shouldn't it be shiken? Are there other examples of when you drop the i sound in し and make it sound like sh-?

Here's where I'm listening to the audio:
https://jisho.org/word/%E8%A9%A6%E9%A8%93

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937416
The person who originally shared it last year didn't rip the transcripts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937433
>https://jisho.org/word/%E8%A9%A6%E9%A8%93
I hear the full し sound... Are you just confused because she's not stressing it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937433
It's common for the い in し to drop. Same with the う in す and つ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937439
>Are you just confused because she's not stressing it?
I don't hear it so that's probably the reason.
I really hope something not wrong with my hearing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937433
you are not deaf
https://ja.forvo.com/word/試験/#ja
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_phonology#Devoicing

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937447
[picture unrelated]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937433
http://www.imabi.net/pronunciationii.htm
>Vowel Devoicing
>When the vowels /i/ and /u/ are in between and/or after unvoiced consonants--/k/, /t/, /s/, and /p/ along with their respective allophones--they become devoiced (silent). Devoicing is a very distinctive feature of Standard Japanese pronunciation. As an example, the phrase for "good morning" sounds like "o-ha-yo-o go-za-i-ma-s". However, it is important to note that many speakers, especially those that don't come from East Japan, do not devoice vowels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937442
>>17937447
>>17937453
Cool, thanks. Learned something new.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937436
Oh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937447
"Japanese speakers are usually not even aware of the difference of the voiced and devoiced pair."

Uh... Does this mean I count as a Japanese speaker now? It still sounds normal to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937466
They're entirely aware. What it really means is that they don't intentionally use one or the other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937471
Oh, so I'm just stupid

Well that's fine too

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937466
>>17937471
When I was taking classes in college the teacher seemed unable to clearly correct a student when he was confusing something about a pronunciation relating to voicing. Japanese natives in general don't seem to understand where misunderstandings come from

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937537
*from the perspective of an English learner, hit post early

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937537
I mean, I guess I don't really enunciate the "i"-ish vowels in -ました for example, but that's just The Way It's Done so I've never really thought about it too much

[Anonymous No.]

What is the best pronoun and why is it 内?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to make anki only give me 1-2 new
words at a time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937947
It's 我が名.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937952
Set new cards to 1-2?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937947
I like あたし and ぼく when used by girls.
I don't care about males. Just use 俺 you piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937466
>>17937537
I view this as a subset of a common incorrect statement in all languages is that "native speakers do not know the rules of their own language".
A more correct version is "native speakers subconsciously internalize the rules, but may struggle to explain them, as they probably do not study them."
When you consider the fact that language evolves, it's even more correct to say that "native speakers make the rules/represent the rules, but may struggle to explain them, as they probably do not study them."
There are certainly some textbook "rules" that a native speaker does not know or follow, but what they do know is more important for native fluency, because the "mistakes" that they make are generally common mistakes that other natives will not question (unless they are pedantic and do not recognize evolution of language, like complaining about "good" vs "well"). In the end, written rules are constantly behind native speech. That's in addition to the fact that different analyses of the same examples of language usage result in disagreements on what written rules are accurate in the first place.
It's organic, and far from an exact science.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937982
うちはちょっといたい

ちょっとだからつかってもいいけど

やっぱりちょっといたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938142
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937947
Too bad it's mostly exclusive to women. I like the sound of it.
All the good male pronouns are archaisms or very hipster. 僕 would be nice for the humble aspect were it not for the fact it's also a pronoun heavily used by children.

[Anonymous No.]

うちがひょうじゅんのちいきもあるけど

どこだったかおぼえていないよ

きょうとドスエ？

[Anonymous No.]

how to small つ on windows?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938282
xtsu

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938282
ltu, xtu, ltsu, xtsu

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938282
ｌキーかＸキーのあとにＴＵあたりで

でるとおもうよ

あたしはじゃどうだけど

ＰＰＯ＋ＢＳでタイプすることがおおいよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938293
ども
>>17938300
thank you
>>17938303
am illiterate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938293
>>17938300
tsu = retarded EOP
tu = actual learner of japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938323
>virgin tsu and chat tu

[Anonymous No.]

クソリア充ネタは禁止だぞ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938323
what about ja vs. zya

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>>17938382
訓令式 is easily understood by almost no foreigners, so I always tell my students to avoid it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17931522
That's why we have to prove her wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938467
むり

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936772
N1 is beginner tier, still lots to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

おなかすいた

あげものたべたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17936679
I was playing the demo of Kiwami 2, and this tough guy (Gouda Ryuuji) was adding わ at the end of his sentences.
Is this a Kansai thing, or was he trying to act submissive?

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On the topic of saving keystrokes, has anyone tried direct kana input on a keyboard? I'm aware that it's uncommon but never heard actual opinions on it. Not talking about thumb-shift, by the way, I'm not interested in going that far with a special keyboard.

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>>17938518
ですわってホンマ女らしいやけどヤクザやつらは言葉遣いは女性的か男性的どうでもええで好き勝手に話して誰もが指摘せえへんから
全然従順やなくて実は逆に男らしさにあふれてるやで

ちな
>関西がイヤなんですわ
おめえぇｗ

[Anonymous No.]

Does there exist a concise overview/cheat sheet of Japanese grammar?

[Anonymous No.]

日本の英語教育ww

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938475
Don't be fucking daft. N1 is not beginner tier and anything to learn by that point can not be found in these threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938617

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938648
Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938652
無料ではないぞ
金をだせ

[Anonymous No.]

ちょいとよ人の金を奪ってれば俺を誘えよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938624
ぜんぜんわからん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17934673
eeeeeeeeeeeeeh

t. haven't brushed teeth for a month and showered 5 days ago

[Anonymous No.]

I looked up "桃華" and apparently it can be read as both Touka and Momoka... How am I supposed to know which it is? Wouldn't this be really embarassing to get wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938740
>How am I supposed to know which it is?
you dont

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>>17938754
Why would they do this to themselves? Somehow this is worse than autistic black people names.

[Anonymous No.]

うそつきはどろぼうのはじまり

にほんのことわざ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938761
「Once a nigger, always a nigger」
こりゃ米国のことわざなんだぜ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938764
「何でもしなかった」
黒い人のことわざ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938772
そうね草

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938529
I think I understand. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938787
苦しゅうないわ

[Anonymous No.]

>パクる
盗む。パクはコリアンの名字を語源とする

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937947
俺

[Anonymous No.]

鉛筆を学校へ持っていく？
Are (you) taking pencil to school?
鉛筆を家に持ってくる？
Are (you) bringing pencil to home?

Why does one of these use へ while the other uses に?

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>>17938851
Please read a basic grammar guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938859
I did

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938863
>>17938851
To elaborate, I think I know what the difference between the two is but is there a particular reason to use one of the other for this example? Or can you use both に and へ and did Tae Kim just happen to choose them like this?

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What the shit is that which looks like "ll" with the furigana "わ" supposed to be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938953
equals sign

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>>17938382
Not the same Anon, but I err on the side of whatever takes fewer keystrokes, so ja over zya

But when it's the same either way I prefer accuracy, e.g. sya rather than sha.

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>>17938234
>All the good male pronouns are archaisms or very hipster. 僕 would be nice for the humble aspect were it not for the fact it's also a pronoun heavily used by children.
Yeah, there's not a single male pronoun which I would actually want to use.

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>>17938234
>>17939021
I unironically use わし

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>>17939024
How'd you make it onto 4chan, gramps?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939021
The true 和風 is to just not use any pronouns at all anyway.

>>17939024
元気おじさんおっすおっす

[Anonymous No.]

What's the group opinion on Minna no Nihongo? I feel like it would be a good compromise between straight-up reading VNs with a dictionary and a traditional textbook.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937947
余

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939071
Only seen king zora use this one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937947
オラ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938234
most of the grey old men of the company where I work use 僕, including my boss's boss

[Anonymous No.]

what the fuck i started reading for the first time and added like 50 words to my brand new farm deck in 30 minutes or something, this is impossible to keep up with, maybe i'll just go back to core6k

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939007
Alright thanks. So even that gets made vertical in vertical text, interesting

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939105
That's exactly what it should be like at first.

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>>17939050
>The true 和風 is to just not use any pronouns at all anyway.
A couple of times I've spoken to natives and they started spitting three or four pronouns into every sentence.

I immediately told them it made me uncomfortable and then withdrew from the conversation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939105
core6k or 10k even are nothing but basic foundations to build own
you can study them all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that you'll add thousands of other words

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939107
if it was horizontal it would look as though it were equating the characters to the left and right

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939113
that makes a lot of sense now that i think about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939119
just a bullshit guess, I don't know desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939105
Imagine if you hadn't done that first! I started reading straight away and the only time I knew words was when I knew them from anime--and then I almost never knew the kanji until I looked it up once or twice.

Add that I didn't even know kana yet and I spent at least a couple dozen times as much time in charts and dictionaries as I did actually reading.

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>>17936909
The wall (blocking her path to human domination) is thick. It's why Ika musume says she lost confidence in the next bubble. Because Chizuru is part of humanity and that is one hell of a wall to break through.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17938642
to be fair there's a big difference between N1 perfect score w/ minimal effort and N1 one-point-above-passing

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939130
She's not even vaguely intimidating...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939142
True, and IIRC it's kind of designed that way. The bar for passing N1 was set to be a certain level, but then they went so far as to redesign the test to add more space above that to measure proficiency more accurately.

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>>17939148

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939158
Ika is a coward!

C O W A R D !

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939169
おっとイカちゃんの悪口はそこまでだ

[Anonymous No.]

How do you guys start mining and/or make it a habit? I finally hit 2k in core but for the past 2 weeks ive done nothing but only do my reps with new cards turned off. How do I get the motivation to actually start the next part of this journey and get out of the rut i'm in? I tried mining once before and it took me 2 hoirs to get through what would take a Japanese person maybe a minute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939175
Literally just do it, there's no other way. It's supposed to be hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939175
2 hours to mine something sounds completely normal. You should find something that you're very interested in reading, and just get to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939174
Ha, as if you can do anything about it.

Cowards of a tentacle swim together, as they say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939024
I like わし but you can't really use it since it's おじさん/田舎者 speak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939175
don't follow my example but my solution doing another 15k words in anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939181
>>17939182
You're right, the only way to make it a habit is to actually do it. And thanks for letting me know I wasn't extremely slow or anything. How long do you guys typically mine per day when it comes to VN's? I know with manga you can say '1 chapter a day' or something when starting out, but with VN's it feels a bit harder to give a concrete 'this much' point

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939130
Ahhh. I thought she was saying it towards Chizuru.

That makes sense. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939201
The simplest thing you can do is pick a number beforehand and stop when you mine that number of words

I never actually finished anything this way but it may give you the order/organization you seek

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939201
With VNs, I usually break between cutaways or scenes. If I'm feeling up to more, I'll go on to the next one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939209
>>17939211
I guess i'll try to not worry about having a set amount then, as long as I do it at least an hour a day. Hopefully I don't end up flooding myself with cards and forgetting the context, which I feel like is partially the point of mining to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939201
>How long do you guys typically mine per day when it comes to VN's?
I *read* for as long as I can. As for mining... When reading, I collect every single word I don't know into a text file. I make a new one every day.

At some point in the day, I will go through whichever text file I'm currently up to and make cards from 20 of the words in it. When I've made cards for all the words in that text file, I will move onto the next one.

To make cards, I open the text file in Firefox, then go through it with Yomichan using Yomichan's Anki integration to automatically generate cards with the word in kanji, the word in kanji with furigana, the word in kana, and audio of the word. I add the meaning(s) in manually by selectively picking 1-3 words (the less, the better) from the definition which most closely match the meaning I encountered in my reading (additional meanings can be added when I encounter them, assuming they aren't just obvious extensions of the original meaning I added).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939220
>Hopefully I don't end up flooding myself with cards and forgetting the context, which I feel like is partially the point of mining to begin with.
I you do what I (>>17939245) do, you can add the word you want to learn to the text file along with the original sentences you read it in. Then when you eventually come to make a card out of it, you can re-read the sentence to refresh your memory of the context it appeared in.

[Anonymous No.]

ゆっくりしていてゲームをやったり小説を読んだりしてるのは本当に私だけだ？

[Anonymous No.]

Well I passed the written examination for a translation website and I just realized I would have to communicate in Japanese with customers looking for translations. Oh shit, I've literally never used Japanese for communication even once. I'm fucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939287
たった今から初めるといいなの？

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>>17939056
Honestly, it's a lot better and a lot worse than the other textbooks for a lot of reasons. I TA'd for both books as my uni was transitioning and wish we had stuck with it instead of Genki, despite its idiosyncrasies.But since it's entirely in Japanese, it is closer to the rapid reading method advocated here. I'd personally do TK/MNN if I were you and had the books.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939287
Spoken or written communication? I feel like the latter wouldn't be that difficult if you can read well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939308
Hm, you did touch on some of the advantages (closer to rapid reading, etc.) but you didn't really mention any standout disadvantages. But, I'm sort of curious now... If you would? Even just a little?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939332
There's a pretty big difference between understanding and creating something yourself. Imagine how difficult it is to read an article on wikipedia, now imagine writing it yourself, even if you knew all the information. Huge difference.

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>>17939342
That's true, but if it's a question of speaking rather than listening, that's not actually as hard to solve. You can only improve listening comprehension so much through reading, but IME writing practise transfers almost directly into speaking, unless you have stage fright or similar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939287
Time to learn japanese!

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else still much slower reading カタカナ than the other two even after months?

And does that ever go away? Or should I just be expecting it to be a pain whenever someone decides to use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939336
Of Minna? Sure! I just didn't want to bore anybody.

I'm a fan of the learning by immersion method. I did it myself with Orberg's Lingua Latina in secondary school, and had a lot of fun with great results. So anything beginning from that standpoint is going to be superior in my eyes, which makes up for a lot of MNN's faults. So I think for those who are too intimidated by reading a VN or manga after reading Tae Kim, or want a more gradual introduction, it would work well.

One big disadvantage is the absolute difficulty you have in the West of assembling the complete set. Most people think there are only 2 books to each level of Minna, the Japanese and the translation, but there are actually five: the workbook, extra reading, and extra writing topics also. That's not counting the answer key, which is not accessible to students as it's written in standard level Japanese. So aside from (maybe) being prohibitively expensive to import, you're probably never going to have all of the necessary books. Granted, you can probably get away with just the Japanese text and English translation books if you wanted to or were a self-learner. That's what I would do if I were following along with TK.

One other problem for self-learners might be that it's pretty skimpy on grammar explanations after any given passage, and may lead them to get the wrong impression of certain forms like ーます, which, if I recall, is used as a set phrase up until lesson 20 of Minna, when it gives a rather short explanation of it. So in that sense it's very tailored to the classroom experience of having a teacher explain all of the other exceptions of a particular verb form. However, it's not "classroom-oriented" in the same way that Genki is, and doesn't have all of the roleplays and games that it suggests at the end of every lesson. More so in just being a bit more difficult without some extra help, but again, if you're going through a decent beginner's grammar like TK, you should be getting enough of that information to be okay.

The audio component is nowhere near the level of Genki's, and anyone wanting to use Minna will also be need to be listening to a lot of easy dialogues like those found on EtoEto or actively trying to understand the dialogue in a TV show.

All in all I'd recommend it if you want the textbook experience. It's a lot more fun and appealing than reading about Mary's absolute shitshow of a life in Genki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939403
Open any game manual and enjoy words like アンインストール and ダブルクリック in all their glistening magnificence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939403
I buy Japanese snacks and it's hard sometimes when I'm reading them to understand what they say. One was クリスプバル and I had to eat the rest later to figure out it said crisp balls. I think it's because I translate the katakana into romaji in my head so making sense of kurisupubaru associates quicker with Christmas poo bear than crisp balls even if it's wildly wrong. It just takes time and practice, making mistakes and then getting them right.

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>>17939461
You translate it into roumaji?

I just say it aloud and hope it sounds like something. The real problem is when it would be multiple words in the original language and the Japanese don't bother putting in a ・ to help me out.

Luckily in most professional-level writing I've seen anything important in カタカナ will have the ・ between words, but that doesn't help most of the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939471
Saying it aloud helps especially at varying speeds. Sometimes saying it quickly will make the vowels less important and more like the English word it's trying to imitate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939403
Started 6 years ago. Still slows me right down. Expect it to always be a pain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939403
Steve lived in Japan for like 9 years and says he can't read katakana for shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is it that remembering how to write is far harder than being able to look at a character and know what it sounds like?
I can sit and type all day but when I try to write them it becomes far more difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939403
>>17939520

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939528
I actually spend a lot of time while going to sleep just going over the strokes in my head

I still fucking suck at it

Part of that is that I almost never actually write, but still

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939529
what is this image meant to convey

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939567
that old white men have nothing better to do than read news and watch sports, duh

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939430
So you say, but even reading stuff like

「ファイナルシュッとを使用するとハンターボウは壊れます。」

regularly, I still suck at it. Damn it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939567
If you haven't watched Steve's videos, you won't get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17937947
拙者

[Anonymous No.]

丸出しで一切にも隠そうとしてん関西弁は最高やで！！！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939529
Doesn't JIJI usually mention that he mostly reads about culture and history

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939664
>関西弁
クソ弁だ。絶対。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939721
じゃ何の方言がマシか？
てかなぜクソ弁か、お前ちゃま何の文句あんの？

[Anonymous No.]

Should I write or practice new cards in Anki somehow? Obviously I hit again on them since I don't know them, and then they just keep getting again'd until I remember them, but I feel like that's not going to actually be retained. Alas, most new words from the day before I have to hit again on multiple times the next day as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939736
No, it's a waste of time.

You can write a word until your hand falls off, and then just wind up forgetting it the next day anyway. Anyone who tried to learn kana via Namasensei's "write it 50 times, you bitch" method can vouch for the truth of this. It's normal to have to fail a word several times before it starts to stick. Reading/listening and seeing/hearing the word used in context helps to reinforce it more than anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939735
>何の文句
「ええ」とは何？　しか音ないんだ。　何でそんな怠け者どもだ？　関西の人々は。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939755
「ええ」とは「いい」やでこの野郎
次回はググれ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939772
草

怒らせたのか？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939751
OK, that makes sense. Maybe once I get through Tae Kim I'll try to add the example sentence as a hidden field on the front of the card. I'd like to give myself an actual sentence as a hint, but maybe it's laid out the way it is for a reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939783
いやお前ちゃまはただのググられないアホでバカに見られもうたやから今や釣やったようとしてんやろ
質問を答え、関西弁で何の文句あんの？
お前ちゃまの脳に持て余すかい？まだ日本語は幼いから分からへんかい？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939797
まぁ、日本語を理解力はまだ幼いことかも

それでも、内の文句はそのまま。しか音ないんだ。言葉ではない。

[Anonymous No.]

Feel free to add my game to the djtguide for reference. It's free on mobile. I'll be adding vocab later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939834
links:
iphone/ ipad: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ohayou-beginners-japanese/id1279919582

android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.FingerGunGames.OhayouBeginnersJapanese&hl=en

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939816
やっぱなまだ幼いわ～
心配すんねん、そのうち分かるようになるんや
>言葉ではない
お前ちゃまが言うとることは言葉ではあらへんもな～
最も目立つのもんはお前ちゃまの「しか」使用やん
「音しかないんだ」って正解やけど「音」もちゃう、「雑音」を書いたら分かりやすくなったやで

はーーーいじゃ今「ありがとー関西弁せんせー」言うてみ言うてみ～

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939838
はい。ありがとうございました、大先生様。覚えられましたんだ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939861
ホンマ言うたｗ
いやいやホンマやけどお互いやりすぎて失礼ことを言うたやな
すまんで

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939834
>>17939836
Tried it.
It's shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939880
invigorating

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939834
Here's your oha(you)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939889
you cheeky son of a

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939879
言い訳がない

自信が過ぎそうに言ったながら実はどうにも適者じゃなかった

はぁ

ごめん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939919
「言ったながら」

さって

バカだよな

ww

[Anonymous No.]

カードゲームの寂しさを教えてあげようと誘った知り合いにカードゲームの寂しさを教えられました。

Any help with this? I haven't got the slightest clue what this could mean. There's no context because it's the author's comment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939919
ええでええで関西弁は愛すぎて他人がクズ弁と呼ばれればただ背景に見てなんもせえへん訳にはアカンからすぐに突っ込んでしもうたから
標準語で書いてやったらおそらく分かるやろから平気やで

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939945
I'm apparently abominably bad at this but it sounds like they're saying "I wanted to school this person I knew in card games but instead I was the one who got schooled."

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939959
That makes sense. Thank you very much. However bad you think you are I'm 10 times worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939956
>feminine young people using ぞ・だぜ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939970
そんな少女たちがとっても可愛らしいね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939945
厳しさ not 寂しさ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939994
ンナ女を好き

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939970
全く合意やけど「Xはいいぞ」ってネタやで
確か元ネタは「ガルパンはいいぞ」ってガルパン映画を見た人がインタビューされてそれを言うたっけ
ちな、あの子は洋榎ちゃまとそっくりやねん！関西っ子やからこの画像を投稿するもっとええきっかけやあらへんで

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940006
偽物もいいぜ

[Anonymous No.]

Does と mark quotation here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940019

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940027
Sauce? I actually dug it up in https://djtarchive.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#と(3)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940010
ええ、僕の関西弁もパチもんやからな～
いつかホンマもんに卒業するやけど！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940032
https://sakubi.neocities.org/#bonux

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940019
と思う is a really, really common way to give narration of oneself, even in speech. It's sometimes used for others, as well.

But yes, basically, quoting thoughts (or more generally the contents of one's mind, can be feelings etc. too).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940034
ヒップスターじゃ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940063
なんでやねん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940038
So, whole sentence would translate as "Weird, I thought I don't toss and turn so much in my sleep, (maybe because) I was tired (I did so)?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940076
あ、因みに、自分の書き物はちゃんと分かりやすい。これより、どうも。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940083
I read it as "I am tired (now) so I must have not slept soundly after all?"

Could be wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940100
ん？自分が？
いや実はなｗこん言葉は関西弁で大嫌いで意味は標準語と全くちゃうねん
ほんで、僕のことか名無しさん（つまり貴方）のことか？いやホンマやで全然分からんから教えてくださいわ
自分自身のことならどーもー褒め言葉イタダキイィっす！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940125
「槍やった」といえば間違いなかった。関西弁で話は通常じゃないけど少しく私も。

答えが遅すぎ？多分ね・・・

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940125
「釣やった」といえば間違いなかった。関西弁で話は通常じゃないけど少しく私も。

答えが遅すぎ？多分ね・・・

[Anonymous No.]

What the fug is the kanji at the top-left here?

I can't tell what's going on at the top-left of the character because it's been overwritten by the border of the panel. The radicals at the top-right of it look like 𠂉 + 用, but according to Jisho's radical search, there is no kanji with those two radicals. The results for 用 + 土 turn up only two kanji which look nothing like it. Searching 𠂉 + 土 turned up 塰 which I thought could be it, but it turns out that's a really obscure kanji which is seemingly not even used to write anything besides a few surnames.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940214
じゃあ関西弁に慣れないから君だけのために普通で話すよ
つまり「ヒップスター」って僕の質問に対する答えって訳かい？「関西弁はヒップスターのものだからいや」だろう？
それならまぁ好き勝手にしろ、今に君も日本の様々な美しい方言を楽しんでなってくるでしょう

>>17940251
おそらく全くちゃうやけど「塗ってる」かもしれへん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940281
>おそらく全くちゃうやけど「塗ってる」かもしれへん
That seems likely. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

皮肉は当たり前の侮辱より全然使われていないのが日本語の長所のひとつだね
相手が異なればただクズかヒトゴミに呼ばれるの方がいいんじゃない

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940331
>皮肉は当たり前の侮辱より全然使われていないのが日本語の長所のひとつだね
違う、弱点だ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940251
ひやけどめ

ぬってるけど（しんぱいだ・だいじょうぶかな）

だよ

がんばれおにいちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940331
>>17940390
いや。最低からもっと以下、日本語は。

このために馬鹿なこっちの人が・・・w

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940407
投稿の意味は全然分からない

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940429
分からない部分は？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939148
not with her eyes closed

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940454
まあ、全部だけど
何が言いたいか分からない

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940019
Enjoy Hanahira. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940511
全部は皮肉な侮辱だったのw

最後は・・・まぁ、「こっちの人」が /djt/ にいるの？

ごめん、分かりにくいのは知恵もないこっちのせいで。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940547
別にいいよ
説明してくれてありがとう

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940547
>「こっちの人」
それ僕ちゃう？以前「こっち」一人称を使ったけどやっぱ紛らわしかったから「僕」に戻り変えたで

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940589
>僕
えっと

戻れない

今までその一人称を使う度はない。全然、いつも。

[Anonymous No.]

So, I'm probably doing something wrong.

I'm going through Tae Kim's grammar guide and he posts the kanji he uses for examples, like how it's pronounced and the meaning for it.
So I'm trying to at least memorize them but I might be getting into a bad habit. I don't 'read' the kanji but I look at it as a symbol.
I guess the closest example of what I'm doing is the same when reading maps. Like, 'oh, that's a symbol for the police so that means that's where the police is'. For kanji it kinda goes something similar, 'oh, this kanji looks like so-and-so so it's pronounced as xxx and means yyy'. Is this how I'm supposed to learn individual kanji, by not reading it and looking at it as a symbol instead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940632
who knows. everyone memorizes kanji differently

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940635
So I'm not developing a bad habit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940632
I don't really understand. Letters are just symbols for sounds, words are just symbols for concepts...

Kanji are a bit different in that each one has a meaning even when it's not in a word, but otherwise it's not really so different, is it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940632
>Is this how I'm supposed to learn individual kanji, by not reading it and looking at it as a symbol instead?
You're not supposed to learn individual kanji, they're rarely words.
In compounds, or with okurigana, they are words. Learn the meaning and reading of them, and eventually, the sense of the kanji will follow. You couldn't stop it if you tried, actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940643
>>17940649
Wait, what? Kanji aren't words?
Sorry for my dumb questions, I just started learning.

[Anonymous No.]

なんか眠くなってきたわ

>>17940625
なんや？「僕」を使っとる人を一度も見たことあらへんって訳か？嘘やろーそれ
または僕が「こっち」に戻ってほしいかい？
いやホンマ僕は失礼なことを言うには他人おらへんけど…なんかて言う、名無しさんは日本語が意味不明から何言うてんねんか分からへんわ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940654

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940649
>they're rarely words
I get why this is said but this isn't really true

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940654
They are more likely to be suffix or prefix on their own
the vast majority of them appear in compounds or with okurigana as words
languages are made up of words not the alphabet or orthography they are comprised of
the spoken WORD precedes the written form of language

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940663
>I get why this is said but this isn't really true
please tell me whats really true then

[Anonymous No.]

>>17939287
Wich website?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940654
to put it simple, every kanji has a certain meaning, but not every kanji is a word

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940676
Many kanji appear by themselves as words that by any reasonable standard would be considered common.

I agree with what's highlighted in >>17940658, that a beginner shouldn't consider them words, but I don't agree with outright lying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940702
not him
on this picture you'll see many more kanji that aren't words than those which are, especially the more you move away from the n5 area
I'm not sure about the ratio, but it's pretty high

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940656
いや、最近は「内」、そして通常は「あたし」。

これは意外じゃないはずだ。

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw you can't help but pronounce Japanese loan words in pitch accent

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940730
Random N2 row:
捨
悩
看
版（ばん）
宙（ちゅう）
坂（さか）
仮（かり）
互

Half.

Random N1 series:
茨（いばら）
拶
侶
殴
宗（しゅう）
沙（すな）
吟
如

Just under half.

>many more kanji that aren't words than those which are
>I'm not sure about the ratio, but it's pretty high
All fair statements. I just don't think "rare" is the correct word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940740
Who're you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940750
not them but

・・・と思う

you happy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940730
Don't ever show me this again, it hurts knowing I'll never perfect all that shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940738
まぁ、それより、眠い感がする特で異常な一人称代名詞をすることは闇雲だよね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940738 (You)
まぁ、それより、眠い感がする時で異常な一人称代名詞をすることは闇雲だよね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940783
Thats like only 2000 of them lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940790
Tbf the vast majority of Japanese people don't ever learn all of them

Though pretty much all of the ones in that picture, they should know

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940783
I don't know, whenever I see a kanji list like this it looks rather doable

[Anonymous No.]

I still don't understand what it means by "learn kanji in context sentences"
Have I been doing it wrong memorizing one by one? Should I choose pure vocab decks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940796
Research shows that the more context a word has, the better you remember it

And the more it's used in a realistic context rather than just being memorised on its own (particularly in groups of related words), the easier it is to distinguish it from synonyms etc.

If you memorise all the elements for example, you're probably going to remember "oh this is one of those words I learned on the day I was doing the periodic table... uhh, wait, which one was it?"

If you learn "oh this is the word 水銀, i remember first reading it when i was learning about thermometers" you'll probably instantly know which element it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940796
>I still don't understand what it means by "learn kanji in context sentences"
it's a longer way of saying "read more"

but seriously now, basically what he >>17940805 says
there are so many readings, nuances and all that shit that you'll never perfect unless you read the kanji in actual words in actual sentences

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940654
The kanji 出 for example isn't really a word. If you want to say "to leave" you have to use (and of course conjugate) the verb 出る.
If you want to talk about an "exit", you use the noun.出口, which is a compound of two kanji.

That is how kanji works. Learning them individually is nearly meaningless, except for how to write them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940749
Chinese monosyllabic words only please. Kanji that happen to have been assigned on their own to entire Japanese words do not count.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940832
いや、出が単語だ。

But it's not a commonly used one, it's very general to the point of being almost useless so it's usually used in compounds, with the other kanji making the word more specific.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940796
Learning kanji in isolation is like learning the alphabet in isolation. It's like having a flash card for the letter "q," which doesn't really mean anything on its own. Just like that q, many kanji don't have a complete meaning without other building blocks to help them get there. And sure, there are kanji that do have a standalone meaning, just like the letter "i" does, but for the most part it's more helpful to learn "chair" than it would be to learn "ch" and "air" and knowing that if you combine them you get "chair." Of course, it's not a perfect comparison because kanji do have a general idea behind them.

And context helps because you have something to ground your memory in. Seeing words out in the wild helps you remember them better when you get back into your anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940805
You crazy bastard. You actually mined the periodic table.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940858
Nah, someone else, I just remember reading that so it came to mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940866
Ah fair enough. I do have to applaud his efforts if he really wants to be a Japanese High School Chemistry teacher.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940872
Yeah, it's pretty impressive. Hope he makes it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940658
>A lot of concepts will not make sense in terms of literal english.
This is some really good advice, and one of the reasons I didn't like Tae Kim's guide. His ultra-literal example sentences only serve to cause undue confusion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940900
They have their place, just not in the beginning of a beginner's guide, and definitely not in the format Tae Kim write them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940791
I am not so sure. I regularly find kanji in nukige that aren't included in 常用漢字. And I am in no way an expert but I would guess people know tenths or even hundreds beyond jouyou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940900
I'm not sure what you mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940914
*tens

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940914
本当だって常用という漢字は３０分さえない。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940914
>And I am in no way an expert but I would guess people know tenths or even hundreds beyond jouyou.
most definitely

[Anonymous No.]

The virgin Kanji and the chad Tangut script

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940656
（ごめん

不明さを与えるとこは悪かった

私も不明になってた・・・）

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940914
There's a nice image linked in the guide on this subject. Look for hyperlinked text in any of the parts about kanji and you should find it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940990
>In 1227, the capital of Western Xia was overrun by the Mongols, who devastated its buildings and written records: all was burnt to the ground except its monastery. The last emperor was killed and tens of thousands of civilians massacred.
oh thank god

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941004
it was poetic justice

we've never found the evidence but we suspect they died because they were too distracted trying to finish balancing their checkbooks when the mongols came

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940331
日本にも皮肉を言う人はいる。
有名なのは京都人だ。

例 : 隣人のピアノを弾く音が迷惑な時。
「あなたはピアノが上手ですね。
毎朝 素敵なピアノの音色で起きます。
毎日 私は幸せな気持ちです。」

これを京都人は京都弁で言う。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941028
草・・・いや、少なすぎ

森

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941028
>京都弁

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941043
why on god's pink anime would you put those accursed white blotches over the words

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941061
>implying it's not just some random reaction pic I saved
自閉症って大変ですね

[Anonymous No.]

So I've been reading Satsukoi for a while now, and I'm at the part in Chapter 2 where Nao was on top of the water tower and she gets a text on her phone. And after she says 「誰だろう・・・」 the game resets. What do I do? I'm new to reading VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941043
I want to rape akarin so hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941077
I've never played a VN and probably never will
is this really considered to be spoiler material?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941082
Yeah, because that's where she dies. The water tower falls on her and squishes her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941082
idk I just put it in just in case

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941076
本日、読みたいのは自閉症っていうことが教えられた

おめでとう名無しさん

おめー

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941081
You need help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941091
oh now you dun goofed then

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941081
i misread that as "anakin" and was temporarily very confused

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941077
>>17941091
Guess I wont read this novel anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941105
It's just chapter two, no big deal (probably)

[Anonymous No.]

Does that mean I made the wrong choice?
Fuck my life

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941125
Something bizarre happens and then you get a game over with little context.

That does generally mean you did something wrong. Welcome to VNs.

To note, if you really know what's happening you're probably very near one of the "good" endings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941102
貴様が憎い

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941135
So basically I go back to the choice I made, change it, then start from there? Even there was like one choice so far in this VN

[Anonymous No.]

*even though

[Anonymous No.]

Day 4, I like this Japanese thing. I can even
remember some cool words like 学生 and 友達。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941157
まぁね。

そのノベルゲームのことをしらんけど

there's a chance that it's one of those where you have to get some of the shit endings before the better ones open up

何方もいいけど

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941166
友人 > 友達

the latter is too mainstream (i say, definitely with at least three layers of irony)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941173
Alright, I guess I'll restart from there

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941141
お前の負けだ！地の上を得たぞ！

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not gonna do any new words today and i feel kinda bad about it :/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941166
頑張って
ファイト！！！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941186
You should. I just started learning about the「は」topic particle.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that if you aren't using a Mincho font on your cards, you can't learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941185
is that the actual translation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941004
There are unicode code points for each of the characters, as well as at least one font floating around the net somewhere. Hypothetically it could be brought back as a pure shit posting language.
Wonder what the Tangut equivalent of ;^) would be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941209
I fucked up and hit 上 instead of 利 but apparently that's what the Japanese dub uses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ3cpj99wFk

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941206
noto sans here, guess im fucked

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941216
ah, 地の利 makes sense, 地の上 seems a bit awkward

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941222
If I say I'm using a font from the AUR will anyone here know what I'm talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941228
I will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941216
Do japanese people actually enjoy watchinjg this? The lip motion being out of sync really bothers me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941222
You could have used Noto Serif. You could have chosen to learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941228
Arch is hardly obscure. Anyone who uses Linux probably knows what the AUR is, and 4chan has a lot of Linux users.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941239
残念だな

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941237
How is it any different from westerners watching some chinese martial arts film?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941242
I'm not using Arch, actually, but I grab AUR stuff anyway

It's a good database even if you don't have a pacman-based distro

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941216
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRylVSfxyw

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941253
I generally use slackbuilds over aur stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941259
I use ebuilds where they're convenient but neither of those really applies to fonts...

[Anonymous No.]

がんばっている

あのんが

すきです

がんばってくださいね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941253
Why would you need to grab a font from the AUR?

download font -> move to .local/share/fonts -> $fc-cache

Do you really need a script for that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941266
>あのんが

>すきです

おい、部屋へいけ。

もうぅ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941206

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941273
Ah, I guess I left that a little ambiguous

I search the AUR for stuff I want and then download the source from the link there

Less clutter than Google or whatever unless I know exactly what I want already

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941265
I'm guessing ebuilds are pretty similar to slackbuilds?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941258
My personal favorite will always be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb1ZODfKav8

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941166
がんばれ！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941216
>>17941258
>>17941285
Anyone know where you can actually download Japanese dubs from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941280
More or less

Ebuilds, I think, are slightly more complicated because Portage needs instructions on how to manage them

But other than that

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941285
The classic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRylVSfxyw

[Anonymous No.]

Does anybody have any good decks for RTK 2. I already have one but I'm not sure if it's up to date and besides it isn't in the correct order. If you don't know of a deck could anyone who knows tell me how I could get the deck into the correct order please
助かれてください

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941299
英語から日本語に訳した映画を視聴したい？

どうして？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941327
>助かれて
I think you might have conjugated that wrong... maybe

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941334
なんか楽しそうから

そして聞くの練習の一形態だな

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941351
楽しみがいい

けど聞き練習のことなら英語字幕がめんどいなぁ

[Anonymous No.]

べつにあのんがしんぱいなわけじゃないんだからね

かんちがいしないでよね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941442
おk

かんちがいもなくにしてみる

[Anonymous No.]

このむらには

スタバも

コンビニも

じはんきもないのん

もしかしうちいなかにすんでるのん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941540
いなかはぶじですの？

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17931413
>そちらが数で押してくるなら
>こちらもかずで対抗するまで

What does that made at the end mean?

[Anonymous No.]

Should we learn to speak Japanese while learning to write? I see a lot of people complaining that its like learning two languages at once

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941613
I'm still a beginner but I'm having no trouble with both.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941613
Unless you have a specific need for it, there's really no reason to start learning to write before you're decent at speaking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941613
Those people are retarded EOPs who are only learning japanese for weird porn and have never touched another language in their entire life. I wouldn't advise you to take them seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941606
I can't make heads or tails of any of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941644
>>17941606

I'm sorry, should have given some context. This is in shin megami tensei IV. A guy comes at me with a bunch of monsters, and a member of my party says this.
I understand this means "if he's trying to overwhelm us with sheer numbers, then we might aswell do the same to him", but I don't know what that made is doing there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941661
Whats the next sentence

[Anonymous No.]

かーわいー

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941661
That helps.

まで is basically saying "That far(, and no further)."

In this case, it's "we will do just the same, no more, no less."

Or that's what it seems to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941661
因みにメガテンIVはks

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941676
Nothing really.

>>17941688
That makes sense, I don't know why I didn't think of that.

>>17941719

そうかもな。僕も飽きてきてるなって。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940791
>>17940914
most people know 3000+ kanji, only brainlet manual laborers/delinquents don't learn them because reading and newspapers are stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941763
I mean people keep trying to go on about "native Japanese people know a lot of kanji!"

but there's an actual Japanese test for kanji proficiency. The second highest (numbered) level tests the 常用, on readings, writing, and meaning. The highest level tests all kanji currently in use in modern Japanese.

Very few people even try to take the highest level of the test in their lifetime. Most people--native Japanese people--who do take the test, fail it.

That's how it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941777
Probably not a problem for chinese people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941808
Chinese does have way fewer readings so that probably helps yeah.

Then again, not all of the kanji in use in Japan are in use in China and vice versa, there are some kanji which are shared but written a bit differently... And that's not even including "kan"ji which were made in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941777
why would they take the test? is there anything to gain from it if you're already a native speaker?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941820
IIRC it improves your prospects for some jobs, it looks fantastic on a resume... that sort of thing.

If you pass it, anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

I could use some help making sense of what she's saying here. The only previous utterance was 「あのさ。。。返事まだ？」. I don't know who this lady is and it's the second page of this chapter, where nothing happened on the first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941844
方の身になる means to put yourself in the place of the other party.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941889
(Not the asker but) Huh, really? I thought when 方 referred to a person or side it was usually かた rather than ほう

[Anonymous No.]

question: should i read through tae kim and try to understand the ist it, or should I read page by page memorizing most of what it says.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941910
and that was supposed to say "the gist of it"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941910
Watch anime instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941915
But that doesn't make any sense anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941915
With subtitles and the sound turned off

Best way to learn, through sheer power of weeb

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941916
You learn grammar by seeing it being used

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941910
The faster you get through your beginning grammar guide and start reading native content the better. You can always refer back to stuff you forget or don't understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941925
Unless you're me, and it only confuses you further.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941926
Thanks anon, that's what I was thinking. I'll probably have to read through it a couple times anyawys

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941916
Trust me, a Finnish anon in the /int/ /djt/ learned fluent Japanese just by watching 10k hours of anime! He picked up all the grammar, kanji, and vocab just by watching anime and nothing else!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941931
そういう目も可能がある。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941898
It's a fixed expression, but I think ほう also means a group inside a bigger group of people or something like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941942
>Even that kind of eye is possible.

What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941953
From a little cursory digging it looks like の身になる can be used with any noun indicating a person('s perspective).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941960
I've only seen it with 方 but that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941936
I did learn grammar and vocab, not kanji though

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941977
I learned a decent bit of grammar, a little vocab, and I think two ひらがな from anime.

It was probably most helpful on the grammar, since I already more or less knew the basic order of words coming in to properly learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941987
I haven't had to read any grammar guides, everything just makes sense as long as I know the words

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941745
Ｐ５やりなよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941925
The problem is subs don't always accurately reflect Japanese (and honestly they shouldn't anyway) so you might end up coming to wrong conclusions about some things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941994
I haven't "had to" read any grammar guides either, in that I literally just haven't read any grammar except what bits are included in words' dictionary definitions.

But if you say you just naturally knew rules like how to form adverbs from adjectives, I'm not going to believe you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942003
That's why you use Japanese subtitles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941956
You have a dictionary, right?

Look up the word 目.

第一課　・　単語の意味はいつもたった一つではない。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942007
Learning English with a teacher that never speaks Japanese doesn't seem to work well for nips, wouldn't that be the same thing in reverse?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942016
First, you're an idiot.

Second, history (and studies, and personal experiences) have (unanimously) shown "learning <language> with a teacher that never speaks <any other language>" is actually the best and fastest way to learn.

Third, get out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942016
All you need to learn anything is interest, concentration, and time. Then any method will work eventually.

I hope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942006
lmao when you watch 10k hours of anime then you can start talking

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942003
Subs aren't always wrong on the same type of sentences so with enough repetition you will get correct translations for everything

>>17942006
>how to form adverbs from adjectives
I don't even remember what these are, give me an example

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942031
>give me an example
美しく示しているのは同じのように美しい名無し様！

Not actually very complicated, but since the rules are different for different types of adjectives and there are similar rules for forming verbs, etc., it's not realistic to learn it from watching anime alone, especially not subbed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942016
Learning English with a teacher that never speaks Dutch seems to work just fine for us, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942031
>correct translations
oxymoron

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a beginner light novel chart?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942047
For most words I would have heard them being used in all their different forms so I do think I learnt them aswell

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942062
>For most words
>would have heard
>in anime
I'm not responding to you anymore. You don't know any Japanese or you'd know how retarded that sounds.

"Yeah I learned the word diacritic from watching cartoons lol."

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942066
I meant most of the words I've learnt from anime I would have heard being used in different forms. You obviously won't learn every word there is in the language from just anime, just like how nobody really knows all the words in their native language

[Anonymous No.]

ホットドッグは口に入れたい
わたしの肉は長いです

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942082
Do us a favor and use a trip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941077
I've never had that happen so I don't know. Do you have the ISO mounted? If not, try that. Could also try reinstalling.

And, unless my memory is really bad, >>17941082 is a fake spoiler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942109
I mounted the ISO but it still resets. I'm gonna try reinstalling brb

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942109
nope, still resets

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942130
Unfortunately I can't think of anything else. I know it isn't a bad end, so something must be messed up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942155
Fuck, maybe I should try it in a VM

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941987
Well you can definitely learn kanji from signage in anime, or when they use them for dramatic effect.
For example, I recently learned "faculty office" from my cute-girls-doing-cute-things-in-school anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>anki leeches cards that I review too much

shit, I didn't know too much review will result to this.

[Anonymous No.]

ダモクレスの剣は

いまどこにありますか

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941310
意気地なし
お前がだ
weak

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942199
冷蔵庫

[Anonymous No.]

にほんでまってるよ

にほんがまってるよ

にほんにおいでよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942274
>大人口
恐ろしいことを言うな

[Anonymous No.]

>>17931413
SMTIV anon here, again.

>サムライの娯楽にってんで
>せっかく用意した黒板なのによ

What does that にってんで mean? is it にと言うので? I still don't understand the meaning of that phrasing, though.
Is it something like
"he says it's for the pleasure of the samurai...
even though I had prepared that blackboard with a lot of effort..."?
The blackboard is where the quests are posted in a bar, and what is pressumably for the pleasure of the samurai is a new quest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942313
Immediately after:

>公務をの載せやがったぜ
>ったく、修道院はなんでも管理したがる

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942313
Just guessing here but it could be one of these two:
[に] [って] [ので]
[に] [っ (added for emphasis)] [てんで]
Even with the extra context provided, neither it nor the rest of the context make much sense to me. Maybe it's just too early for me to make sense of things, but maybe it'll help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941817
>And that's not even including "kan"ji which were made in Japan.
国字と言われてるもんなんだよ

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone actually read this here? If so, when did you start reading it (i.e. how long after you started learning Japanese)? And how long did it take you to read it?

[Anonymous No.]

i wish you could learn japanese by ankidroning i'm a grammar dekinai i can read fluently but i comprehend nothing

t. 4k in core

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942351
Same question, but for Trails in the Sky. And if anyone's played it with a text hooker, how did you set it up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942351
そのやまは

キリマンジャロよりたかく

きびしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942411
read a grammar guide instead of ankidroning
woah

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942056
no idea but I'm reading konosuba and it's easy as shit

[Anonymous No.]

きょうのこんだて

なにがいいかなあ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941299
more of a consolation prize, but they are often livestreaming movies here https://live.fc2.com/
you have to make an accountant though

for example right now someone is streaming BoB with japanese dub
they usually stream around a time from afternoon to late night nihon time
you'll notice over the months that it's pretty often the same movies, stuff like star wars and harry potter seems to be rather popular on the weekends
there's also always a livestream chat which can be pretty funny at times

[Anonymous No.]

I'm moving to Aomori to study moon.

Wish me luck!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941777
>Very few people even try to take the highest level of the test in their lifetime.
That may be because...
>Level 1
>Tests the ability to read and write all 6355 kanji in levels 1 and 2 of JIS X 0208, with their on readings and kun readings
>Requires the ability to use the kanji in sentences and to choose the most appropriate kanji for a given context
>Tests special or unusual kanji readings
>Tests classical Japanese proverbs and idiomatic expressions
>Tests the ability to recognize the relationship between modern and ancient or old character forms
Yeah, the fact that few people attempt that doesn't mean that native speakers don't know a lot of kanji, it means that most native speakers don't want to study to be a walking kanji dictionary. You gave the worst possible backing to your claim.
Most natives can read quite 2000-3000 kanji in the most common contexts, but do not bother learning every reading. Failing one of the later levels of kanji kentei does not indicate that you are familiar with fewer kanji than that level tests. It indicates that you do not have encyclopedic knowledge of as many kanji as that level tests. You'll notice that earlier levels that are significantly more commonly taken by school children test quite a bit less information regarding the kanji covered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942351
4 years after I started studying for real. Haven't finished the whole game yet, but the first route took me 70 hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942581
>that fucking test
拷問みたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942564
頑張れべ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942564
Good luck, don't get lost in the snow, anon

[Anonymous No.]

How many times did some of you "start" only to get distracted, disheartened, or otherwise burned out before buckling down and seriously going at it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942633
I started exactly once and kept going 2bh
I have to confess though that my initial goal wasn't learning japanese per se, but understanding anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942633
2 attempts before finally going steady on the 3rd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942633
I started once on real kana, but got discouraged when I learned about kanji readings and how they can be all different
but my fears were kinda overblown when I realized in compounds/okurigana they are pretty much only read the one way

[Anonymous No.]

アノンたちに良い言葉を授けます
覚えておいてください

[Anonymous No.]

Look up word written in kanji I don't know

it's a really common word, like stop 1k or better, but it was written in hyougai kanji for some reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942657
こういうの

おてらにはってるのは

なまぐさぼうずのさいふにとついだ

せっきょうおんな

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942643
>>17942653
>>17942654
I guess I'm just a pleb since Im starting try number four. I dont know if its my own stupidity, the constant ridicule of others, or just a lack of discipline though. Ill get it this time though...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942680
コア過ぎんよ

[Anonymous No.]

Satsukoi has still been resetting after the 誰だろう point. I tried mounting the ISO, running as admin, and I tried it in VirtualBox but it shows up invisible. Like I can hear the audio but the shit inside the window is invisible. I actually want to finish the fucking story ughhh...自殺したい. Any other downloads of Satsukoi someone can point me too? The one on rutracker has no seeders and I downloaded it from nyaa I think.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know where I could get Japanese subtitles for Owarimonogatari S2 Part 3?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942709
I'll zip and upload my copy to mega and give you a link
it was around 3.2gb, got it from AB

[Anonymous No.]

おにいちゃん

こくうまかってきたよ

ごはんどんぶりでたべてね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942740
舌をやけどする機会あるなら、ぼくはやる

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942685
My failures were all either lack of commitment or a bad approach, so you may need to determine if it's motivation/boredom or if there's something ineffective about your approach that is causing too much work for too little progress. Who is ridiculing you and why do you care? Do it for yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942685
What's your routine?

[Anonymous No.]

Yomichan is absolutely dogshit but it forces me to actually read those chinese characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942685
>or just a lack of discipline though.
2bh it's not like as if I have much displine either
I always just learned in a way that's fun for me, I never forced myself through this or that when I didn't feel like it

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to switch the IME from english to jap and vice versa without pressing the button on the task bar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943013
shift+alt to switch languages, ctrl+del to switch japanese input and romaji input

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943018
>ctrl+del to switch japanese input and romaji input
I guess thats Shift+caps lock on european keyboards

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943018
Its ctrl+caps lock for me, and alt+ ~ to return to romaji.
And alt+caps lock switches to katakana when using Japanese input

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943032
oh i meant ctrl+§ sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943036
dont ever post that voodoo character shit here ever again

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943018
Too dumb should just googled it earlier, ctrl+~ is what I'm looking for. Thanks anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

Any recommendations on graded readers? I'm not really ready for a VN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942709
>>17942733

https://mega.nz/#!J1Y2yZJJ!dgR7ORtpTZHmJKXsBBWnadg2FSKDiEGGM4xXjbAbuxo

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943104
personally I've read the following books, not all stories are interesting but it's okay most of the time
the difficulty level usually goes from "oh that's fun to read" to "wtf is this shit"

Read Real Japanese Essays
Breaking into Japanese Literature: Seven Modern Classics in Parallel Text
Exploring Japanese Literature: Read Mishima, Tanizaki and Kawabata in the Original
Short Stories in Japanese: New Penguin Parallel Text

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943134
+ Read Real Japanese Fiction: Short Stories by Contemporary Writers

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943134
>>17943144
Thanks! I'll be sure to take a look.

[Anonymous No.]

Which is better? Core 10K or Core 2K/6K?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943249
You're not gonna finish either. You should start mining after 2k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943249
you should start reading after core2k
there shouldn't be a problem with finishing 6k, but 10k includes too many words you won't necessarily need any time soon, you might as well just mine them

[Anonymous No.]

Cloze recognition in the DoJG deck is a shitty meme. The explanations in cards do not differentiate enough between similar grammar (like らしい/そうだ), so you'd be memorizing sentences instead of grammar points at best.

[Anonymous No.]

>あなたはどうして日本にいるか
Does this wording seem a bit rude? The goal is to ask a foreigner their reason for being in Japan in an inquisitive way, rather than with any hint of accusation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943558
Replace あなた with てめえ and you are good to go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943558
あなた is a bit too direct

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943597
Hey now, don't forget いりやがる!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943260
>>17943338
Mining means to come across new words and such in reading japanese shit, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943662
Yes, and taking those words and shoving them into an anki deck.

[Anonymous No.]

sorry for romaji, but is this sentence correct/make sense?
>omae wa atarashii shurui porando ka?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943683
Sorry for the katakana but ヴォットアーユートォライィングトゥーセー？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943558
well then you should use the polite form obviously

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943683
>are you the new kind poland?
this is what I'm getting here

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943691
some nerd said that to me, i didn't know what he meant either

[Anonymous No.]

>>17941077
I'd guess you got a bad end. Try looking for a 攻略.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942351
I haven't read it, but it's often touted as being one of the hardest VNs to read.

It seems to be a cross-over of several other works, so you might want to read those first.

[Anonymous No.]

What are the typical Japanese vocational schools called? Specifically the kind where you learn a shitty blue collar trade, like sewing, or whatever. There seem to be a bunch of different branches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942564
Too bad they don't speak moon in Aomori.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmKOW46LaGo

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943492
>the DoJG deck is a shitty meme.
You didn't need to say anything else beyond this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944013
I can barely understand Kansai and then there's this!?

[Anonymous No.]

女が大嫌い

でも
俺はゲイじゃない！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944043
関西弁わかりにくへんやけど？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944055
疑問

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944055
t.ホモ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942173
It's not so much "you can't learn kanji from anime" as "you can't learn more than a handful of kanji from anime"

Like I kind of had an idea of 陽 from anime (don't actually remember which one, but) but I didn't even know 雨 which is a word I'd known since I was in elementary school (also from anime...).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944043
https://youtu.be/O2ML955u8Y0?t=19

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944061
現実だ！同意かじゃないか関西弁の分かりやすさは現実だ！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942564
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHuz-ebtSpU

[Anonymous No.]

方言はいいぞ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944115
いやホンマやで基本を分かれば簡単や
いずれアンキ用の関西弁デックを作らんとアカンな

>>17944160
ホンマやホンマ

[Anonymous No.]

Can you people speak English?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944177
What's that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944178
The universal language in 2050

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944177
なにそれ？おいしいの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944170
デック？なにそれ

練習ということなら読み練習はマシじゃない？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944180
イギリスは王国じゃないの？話す可能性はありません

[Anonymous No.]

It's hard to do Anki when every single word makes me wonder what kind of porn would pop up if I searched with the word

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944180
That's not Mandarin

[Anonymous No.]

Is this the place where someone ask kindly for a very short translation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944209
sure!

it says "the pleasure of being cummed inside"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944209
If you learn enough of the language you can translate it yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17943119
ありがとう

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944209
こちら >>>/wsr/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942733
I wish I was in AB. But I hardly torrent at all and I'll probably get my account revoked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944188
なんなら「山札」やで...
マシかどうか関係あらへんで関西弁がなんも知らへん人向けに大筋アンキ山札を作ったらええやろ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944229
Had a positive seed ratio on bakabt but I forgot to login for ages. Now my account got removed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944236
修・辞・疑・問！

もう・・・何度そんなに答えるか？

それより、アンキ「デッキ」という山札を使うと理解力はずっと薄いの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944256
Yeah, that's what happened to me too. Fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944256
My seed ratio on there was like 8.0 or something with about a hundred GB downloaded, so not shabby

Then they pruned it

Still haven't signed up again...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944256
I have an account but nothing I want to download, and I fear that by the time I know what I want to download, I won't have my account anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944258
>修・辞・疑・問！
な・ん・な・ら、アホ
>それより、アンキ「デッキ」という山札を使うと理解力はずっと薄いの？
いやだって... ちゃんと聞いてんのあんさん？
読めんとアカンはもう知っててただ関西弁の基本的な言い方とか表現を説明して初心者が習うための山札やねん
あんさんは読みがそんなに大切してばやっぱ作らなくてもええやろ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944288
まぁ、私の有限な関西弁理解力がファイアーエムブレムをやる時から起きた。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944229
Just fyi, you won't get your account suspended as long as you log in every now and then (1 month, I think), and even if your connection is shit, you get free upload just by leaving your torrent client open, and there are tons of freeleech torrents - every single 1080p release, for instance, which means there are freeleech torrents for almost every anime series. In short, if you get the opportunity to join you should definitely do so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944229
Keeping an account on AB is unbelievably easy thanks to the yen system. Even if your internet has a 0.0000000000000001 byte upload speed, just by seeding a torrent you accumulate "yen" which you can then trade for upload credit.

Just download a load of shit from nyaa, then find the matching torrents on AB and seed them.

If you want tips about what to download, it seems to me that users are effectively punished for seeding large torrents*, so go for lots of smaller ones. Also, the longer you seed a torrent, the more yen you get, but the increase is really, really gradual so you have to seed stuff for years before this really does anything.

* You get more yen for larger torrents, but it seems to be a matter of diminishing returns. You get ~2 yen bonus for a ~5GB torrent, and ~10 yen bonus for a ~100GB torrent, so even though with the 100GB torrent you're seeding 20x more data, you are only getting 5x more yen.

(I might be misunderstanding the formula though.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944371
Deleting accounts in very good standing just because they go inactive for a while serves no purpose. All it does is keep the community narcissistic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944371
>>17944382
I meant that I just don't log in anymore. Like I went 6 months+ without logging in on and they deleted my account. Mainly because I just forgot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944355
>私
ロンドンにいてくれ
とにかくそのうち関西弁に合うからホンマに基本を習っといた方がええで

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944389
It's most likely disabled, not deleted. If you nag on IRC, you might be able to get it back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944383
>>17944389
Just save your username and password in your browser, bookmark the homepage and visit it every 2 weeks. It's not a big deal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944400
And if you get hospitalized? Or your country goes to war? Or someone in your life destroys your computer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944403
>And if you get hospitalized
That's exactly what happened to me.
I tried killing myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944393
ロンドンへ旅するつもりがない。

とにかく・・・

君の関西弁が楽しいね。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944403
>>17944407
If you know you won't be able to log in for a while, you can notify them in advance to prevent your account from getting disabled.
>Users who are inactive on AB for 10 weeks will have their accounts disabled. You should receive an email mentioning that your account is about to get pruned on the ninth, and it will get automatically disabled on the tenth, so try to make sure that our mails aren't marked as spam.
>If you do know that you can't be active for a while, please send a Staff PM about it and a note will be left on your account.

>To re-enable your account, visit our #support channel on IRC.

>Power Users and up as well as donors are immune to inactivity pruning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944400
>Just save your username and password in your browser
You should never do this, just use a PW manager like KeePass. It also doesnt need to be every 2 weeks, they sound a email after 6 or so weeks that you were inactive for a long time and if you dont log in within a couple weeks then your account will be put on hold. If it gets put on hold, you will still be able to reactivate later anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944418
None of the things I listed give any warning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944422
You can just ask them on IRC when you come back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944424
Doesn't matter, it only serves to punish people who went inactive, so that the active community can circlejerk in their arrogance

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944410
>ロンドンへ旅するつもりがない。
マジ卍かいｗネタやでネタｗｗ
>君の関西弁が楽しいね。
不自然と言われてんやけどせやなーこうして書くのはめっちゃおもろくて楽しんでくれて嬉しいわ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944427
>ww
しゅう！じ！

しゅうううううじいいいいいいいい！

もう！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944426
The punishment of logging into their IRC channel and sending someone a private message?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944437
分かるようになる日本語で言うてくれへん？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944438
Do you have any idea how annoying it is to interact with people you don't know? Christ, you're like the people who actually think that whatcd's interview processes meant anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944382
The yen formula works the best on files with no seeds, then with seeds below 4
size does affect it, but the drop off is sharp over 20gb and it wasn't that large to begin with
better off with multiple small files with no to low seeders and naturally, the longer the better

as of writing we are at 95,657,358 / 100,000,000 for sitewide freeleech(4,342,642 yen left which is bugger all for some of the vets)

[Anonymous No.]

Fucking い is shockingly hard to draw in a way that doesn't look like total shit. I can't believe it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944444
修
辞
だ
っ
た
。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944446
i agree gatekeeping is bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944444
認めました

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944452
いやまたそれを言うたけど意味分からへんで
何が修辞やねん「ロンドンへ旅するつもりがない」はぜんっぜん修辞じゃねえぇで

>>17944462
えっ？

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

おなかすいた

[Anonymous No.]

なんや投稿番号やねんか...

>>17944472
おはよーさん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944446
I hate non-anonymous communication, but I find the idea of being locked out of tons of content and having to depend on public sites and begging much more annoying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944480
Congratulations, you just described why blocking people for inactivity is bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944484
I never argued in favor of it, I just said it was a very minor nuisance compared to the benefits of having an AB account.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944469
ちっ。

クソ野郎。

「お信じください」とか言うつもりもない。

[Anonymous No.]

Last resort is to try it on a different PC.
>>17943119
Happens on this copy too

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944487
If it wasn't AB then a less hostile site would exist. It's too bad the people who start up private torrent communities are so pretentious. They insist on having a centralized moderation and a private index, which means that sites can get taken down very easily no matter how private they are - just look at whatcd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944495
You got the bad end. There's nothing wrong with the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944495
why so many saves, that game barely as any choices

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944501
Nyaa is less hostile.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944512
>>17944512
nyaa is also dead

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944513
https://nyaa.si/
Works for me!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944511
idk, habit
>>17944505
kinda of a weird place to stop, but i guess. i've been reading the other routes anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944513
Oops, sorry, wrong link.
https://nyaa.pantsu.cat/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944519
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944513
誰かがそのサイトを蘇らせるっけ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944501
>just look at whatcd

You can also look at HDB which has been active far longer than WCD and is still the definitive place for HD content. Current private tracker setup works regardless of how inconvenient you feel like it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944524
>HDB [...] the definitive place for HD content

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944533
Yes, the definitive place for HD content. It has the largest source of HD remuxes and encodes of any torrent site on the planet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944533
most likely HD-Bits

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944536
If you mean it's flooded with subtly broken encodes between the good ones, yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

If I pass N1 will someone here give me an animebytes invite?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944492
何を信じてほしいの？ホンマ意味分からんねん
ただキーボードをやたらと文字を書いてんかい？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944547
>「ロンドンへ旅するつもりがない」はぜんっぜん修辞じゃねえぇで

[Anonymous No.]

>>17940990

>10
>10

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944447
>size does affect it, but the drop off is sharp over 20gb and it wasn't that large to begin with
>better off with multiple small files
Ah, so my interpretation was correct then.

It's a shame it took me so long to realise this since I'm seeing tons of huge torrents and hardly any small ones, but I've racked up a pretty good seed time on them by now so it feels like a waste to delete them.

It's pretty retarded that it works this way though. I'm pretty sure the yen reform they did a few years ago was explicitly targeted at those people who were just seeding thousands of one-shots to rack up ridiculous yen/hour bonuses, but in the end the reform still favours that kind of behaviour.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944565
なんやそれか？
そもそも冗談やったや、「ロンドンにいてくれ」って
/fit/に行ったことあらへんかい？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944576
The size formula is still better than it was, and it stacks with low seeds
a file with a decent amount of seeds and low size is going to net almost nothing now
This is not from my understanding of the formula, but my own testing in pausing and refreshing the page, seeing how much yen I lost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944592
/fit/のことが慣れられない（？）けどヨツバのことをよく知る。ネタだって知った。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944616
そっかなら問題解けそうやな
じゃ失礼、めっちゃもっこり立ってんから今シコっていくで

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944597
>a file with a decent amount of seeds and low size is going to net almost nothing now
It will still net more yen, byte for byte, than a larger torrent with a decent amount of seeds, I think.

The way the formula works, it seems like you would get considerably more yen from seeding 100GB worth of 1GB torrents than you would from seeding a single 100GB torrent, assuming the same amount of seeds and seed time on each.

The growth in yen payout for a 10GB torrent over a 5GB one is ~2 yen. 5GB increase in size, 2 yen increase in payout. The growth in yen payout between a 95GB torrent and a 100GB torrent is ~0.25 yen. 5GB increase in size, 0.25 yen increase in payout (in other words, an 8x smaller payout).

I'm only factoring the size in here. I have no idea how it interacts with the rest of the formula.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944639
・・・

さすがはキモオタだ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944688
シコるたまんねえわ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944680
This is why I prefer systems which require you to seed everything except freeleech torrents up to at least .7 or so.

[Anonymous No.]

>caring about yen on AB

Almost the entire site is freeleech

[Anonymous No.]

http://garyu-machiai.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2010/09/dont-stop-me-no.html
これを見て超草生えた
みんな見てごらんくださいね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944771
I don't. It makes it impossible to download anything that other people have already stopped downloading. Seed time is what should count, not seed power. However, the credit you get for seeding should dynamically adjust based on how much leeching there is on the site, not be based on any particular formula.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944771
That's incredibly difficult on private trackers though, especially thanks to those faggots with seedboxes stealing all the leeches.

I have many torrents with years of seed time on them which are still at ratios below 0.5. Some are as low as 0.2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944785
>It makes it impossible to download anything that other people have already stopped downloading
You can just set seed/leech/seed:leech stuff to automatically switch the torrent to and from freeleech if that looks to be a problem, can't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944781
a lot of VNs and games are not, so sue me

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944784
うーん、どうも

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944784
maiyahi~

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944802
But there's a sitewide freeleech every few weeks and we're less than 5% away from the next one. Just bookmark stuff and download it when it's free.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944802
AB has like freeleech events almost every 2 months. Even then, making yen is so trivial. I don't even go out of the way to get yen and I average about 6000 yen per day. Of course, this is assuming you like anime and you download/seed a decent bit. Honestly, AB is absurdly easy to maintain ratio compared to just about every other private tracker.

[Anonymous No.]

Man, I really wish there was a good substitute for rikai/yomi for Android. It all involves copying text, and highlighting is a pain in the ass on a phone interface. I can't read on the computer at work because there's a camera pointed at the screen. Being stuck here for 12 hours with little to actually do blows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944849
I'm another of those who rarely watches anime but does plenty of stuff like novel games. I'm not on AB but if the system is mostly anime-targeted I can imagine how some people wouldn't benefit from it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944859
I reverted to an older version of Firefox (the one before quantum) and just use Rikaikun.
It's a pain in the ass to plug in my tablet to the computer and use EPWING2Anki whenever I mine words but being able to read in bed is nice.

[Anonymous No.]

or you can just stop being a pathetic weeb and not join some circlejerk super sekrit club.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944859
>I can't read on the computer at work because there's a camera pointed at the screen. Being stuck here for 12 hours with little to actually do blows.
Time to change jobs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944876
japanese_bird_getting_out_of.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944876
You realize you're posting on a board that's literally called "Otaku Culture" right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944885
weebs are fake otaku

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944885
>Japan/General

[Anonymous No.]

If there are so many DJT posters on AB then why don't you faggots upload more raw manga?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944895
I'm not sure why you think being on AB is some super hard thing. AB literally shilled their tracker on /a/ and the staff freely invited people from /a/. Hell, they even had open sign-ups for years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944895
Most of them are casuals who only have a couple dozen chapters of manga with added ruby

Also not everyone here reads manga, do remember this is /jp/ not /a/, the tastes do not entirely overlap

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944897
I don't browse /a/ and they haven't had an open registration in years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944897
>>17944898
I have an account too. I mean uploading raw manga scans to AB, not downloading from AB and uploading them to the CoR or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944895
Because you don't get good at japanese by "reading" manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944904
you sure do, that's how I learned pretty much everything i know

[Anonymous No.]

This again, huh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944903
And I'm saying you can't expect all the people here to have many raw manga scans in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944903
I don't even know where to find raw manga outside the usual places like nyaa or AB. I also don't read much manga either.

Personally, I find VNs as a better way to learn Japanese due to texthookers and ease of mining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944911
Google is the easiest place to find raw manga/LNs. Not joking. Rutracker and nyaa for everything else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944907
But 日本語、クソ野郎！ Can you speak it?

It seems like 80% of the people in these threads read a lot but shy away from actually typing anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944911
>using a texthooker
The more you look at them and the more details you take in, the easier they are to remember

If you intentionally do it all copy-paste of course you won't remember them as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944907
Do not reply to another one of my posts ever again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944912
A few of the rutracker stuff aren't seeded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944879
It pays decently for how low effort it is, is the thing. Maybe I'll get some manga on my phone or something.

[Anonymous No.]

僕はあまり読まへんなのによく雑談してんのでその説やっぱちゃうねん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944915
日本語話したらいけないんだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944909
>>17944911
Fair enough, it's just frustrating that there isn't a comprehensive, well-organized database of raw manga like there is for anime and translated manga. VNs are actually in a similar situation since a lot of older or more obscure titles are restricted to sites like baidu/clubbox.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944931
ホンマじゃ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944944
ホンマやで。

[Anonymous No.]

The fuck's this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944957
it's a fucked up &

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944957
&

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944957
>アンド

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944957
&(and)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944958
>>17944961
>>17944964
What kind of a weirdo would draw it like that?

[Anonymous No.]

五＆すポンさーの手ー今日で尾christmas

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944957
a fellow トラブル reader?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944957
ando

[Anonymous No.]

>>17944978
全然

[Anonymous No.]

全然（今なら付いてる）
いやホンマクソネタ領域に入ってしもうたので寝といた方がええやん
おやすみさんみんな

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945012
おやすまなさい

[Anonymous No.]

うわあぁ、日本語お上手ですね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945040
だれだ？

私なら嘘だw

[Anonymous No.]

Would it be a good idea to start reading manga and look up words and not use anki?
Some people here said that reading is anki and that the words repeating themselves is SRS.
I studied some Chinese so kanji is not a big problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945178
Anki is for retaining your familiarity with things that you do not get exposed to often enough without it. It doesn't do anything else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945178
Sure. If your kanji's up to snuff and you have a very good memory, it's no problem. Otherwise look into Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

日本語大好き

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945178
I read Flyable Heart without mining/using Anki at all, and I seriously regret it. Compared to many other things, Flyable Heart uses a pretty limited set of vocabulary, which should mean a great amount of repetition of the same few words, and yet I was only able to memorise a very small amount of words.

Trying to read other things after Flyable Heart, I quickly learned just how deficient my vocabulary was, and how much I had set myself back by not making any dedicated effort to retain the new words I had been encountering. In Flyable Heart, I was able to get by with my tiny vocabulary because there didn't end up being that many unknown words per sentence, but in trying to read other things afterwards I found myself completely overwhelmed by the amount of unknown vocabulary which kept coming up in practically every single line.

I'm now stuck reading Ika Musume which, grammatically, really isn't presenting me with much challenge at all, because the only content I can really make it through with my vocabulary as shit as it is now is simple, SoL-comedy manga. I think I'm probably going to have to read through this and then some more stuff on the same sort of level afterwards, mining words as I go, before I'll be able to move onto anything which actually presents me with a proper challenge, because right now anything with challenging grammar just has too many unknown words for me to cope with.

I could've learned over 2500 words during the time I read Flyable Heart, and yet I most likely ended up learning less than 100.

[Anonymous No.]

今こそはまだアンキとかTKとか使わない人の一人

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945251
You're doing better than me, senpai. I couldn't get past the first line of Flyable Heart without looking things up. How soon into your Japanese study did you start it?

[Anonymous No.]

Alright, let me be a bit rude here.

I think a lot of you have problems chiefly because you're lazy. Complaining about things like "I don't know the words!!!" is from the very start just ridiculous. It's a language. You're still learning it. If you know the words going in to anything new, that's just bizarre and wrong.

You should be expecting to struggle, to be confused, to look things up. If that's too much for you, exactly how do you expect to get anywhere?

[Anonymous No.]

白人が大嫌い
死ね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945293
日本人が馬鹿馬鹿しい。

どどん人がどどーん音をもう一度聞きたい？

[Anonymous No.]

I'm gonna stop doing core guys, fuck this shit. Haven't even finished Tae Kim yet but tomorrow I'll begin reading Yotsuba& I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945337
Keep up with core and begin Yotsubato tonight!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945262
>I couldn't get past the first line of Flyable Heart without looking things up.
There was lots of stuff I didn't understand very well/at all in the beginning.

>How soon into your Japanese study did you start it?
That's a difficult question to answer. I've made several attempts at learning Japanese over the last few years, but in the past I never really got beyond the point of reading textbooks.

My first "attempt" was probably in 2012. I watched some of Namasensei's videos, then had no idea what I was supposed to do after that and just sort of gave up. Since then, I made several other attempts in which I never got beyond just reading textbooks. On one or two of the attempts, I tried reading Yotsuba, but the fact that I was struggling so much with something everyone said was really easy made me conclude that I wasn't "ready" yet, so I went off trying to force myself through more grammar resources which just bored me to tears and made me give up.

My current attempt is what I started after watching that MATTvsJapan guy's "AJATT Journey" video and then from there reading the AJATT site. A lot of people here like to shit on AJATT (and I can't say there aren't just reasons for disliking it), but I really think it was thanks to reading it that I persevered through the beginning of Flyable Heart where it was very challenging for me. If not for some of the things I read there, my attempt at reading Flyable Heart would've probably just been a repeat of my prior attempts at reading Yotsuba.

So I guess the answer your question is: I was at the point where I'd read Tae Kim a few times, read Genki once, done some of Core2K a long time ago, watched some Namasensei videos, read a handful of entries out of the DoJG, and read a couple of chapters of Yotsuba.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945339
I've skipped out on Core for two days in a row now and I feel bad about it

[Anonymous No.]

wew hitting 1000 and 1100 posts on subsequent threads! our thread is growing!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945385
Or the rest of /jp/ is dying

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945378
This is my mining deck, not core. But, a missed day is a disgrace that lasts a lifetime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945389
Days studied: 50% (15 of 30)
Total: 2603 reviews
Average for days studied: 173.5 reviews/day

Granted I did start then do nothing for days on end, but I could never keep up such a streak. I hate Anki with a passion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945385
And this time it wasn't because of toxic autistic arguments!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945396
>I hate Anki with a passion.
Then don't use it. I stopped using it and never had any problems learning new words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945420
What do you do to memorize words then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945424
I read shit.
The fuck do you think Japanese people memorize new words? Anki? No they read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945389
Not the guy but I need 678 additional active days so I can reach a 99% rate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945432
Yes but it also takes the Japanese many years to learn fluent Japanese while being completely surrounded by other Japanese speakers

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945386
>Or the rest of /jp/ is
moving to /a/

Most stuff which was sequestered off into /jp/ has returned to /a/ over the years, it's mostly just Touhou shitposting and the totally /a/-unrelated stuff left

[Anonymous No.]

5 minutes before reset!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945451
/a/ is full of e-celebs

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945451
And everything is as it should be

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945436
Nah, really just a couple years. "Fluent" doesn't mean "adult native level"--once you can speak full sentences you meet the definition, so Japanese preschoolers are fluent too.

This is cutting off the years when they're infants and physically can't comprehend or produce speech.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945459
That's still a lot of time, anon. I'm not sure how I feel about spending a few years to reach preschooler level

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945453
I didn't say /a/ wasn't shit, I just said /jp/ is slowing because /jp/ content is moving to /a/

They have more novel game, light novel, etc. discussion over there than /jp/ does and that was a big chunk of /jp/'s raison d'etre.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945424
You don't want to memorize, you want to learn. Memorization without the learning to back it up is shallow and results in being wildly off the mark on a regular basis.

You can memorize words to make stories more comprehensible and thus learn faster from them, but it's not necessary.

The brain isn't a computer with a list of definitions for each word. It's a mess of electromagnetic signals with non-linear propagation that organize themselves in such a way that it can learn to do tasks that benefit its survival.

Anything you memorize is just going to go to the neurological systems for intentional accurate recall of difficult information. The neurological systems for memorization are primarily used by humans for logical tasks related to avoiding bad decisions and avoiding overlooking details.

The way this relates to language is in the "monitor", the mental system that regulates language productions (speech, writing) to avoid misunderstandings. The applicability to the original language production, before the monitor edits it, and to comprehension in general, is very poor. There you want the language comprehension system, which is this unbelievably elaborate mess of intuition and induction that we don't accurately understand.

However, the language acquisition device, another neurological system we know very little about, is capable of making the language comprehension system learn to comprehend things that it doesn't fully understand. The language acquisition device works best by being given linguistic input that you care about understanding accurately, the non-linguistic information necessary to be able to work out its meaning, and the Mihaly's Flow necessary to think about its meaning without losing concentration on your interest in what it means. This can teach you words and grammar patterns, but even more than that, it teaches you idiomatic grammar, collocations, and situational connotations.

Production is just the comprehension system trained in reverse somewhere else in the brain, so comprehension training is what you want to make better productions. The monitor is still necessary to ensure that the production system is not taught incorrectly, however its power is incomplete, and allows language to change over time as children systematically mislearn how to comprehend their parents language in the same exact ways, because their parents make the same subtle production idiosyncrasies, because they in turn didn't acquire exactly the language of THEIR parents.

Your monitor can help you remember grammar rules and word definitions so as to understand the meaning behind a statement, but you need to be able to figure out the meaning of it in order to learn the linguistic unknowns present in that statement. That statement might be a simple noun or verb, and have an obvious definition, like "dog", but when grammar and storytelling are involved, even simple nouns no longer mean their core definition. The only way to truly learn even individual words is through massive exposure. Otherwise you have a conscious approximation of how it's really used and understood. "Dog", for example, has the nuance of only being domestic canines descending from trained wolves, but phrases like "wild dogs" are allowed to expand its meaning beyond what it normally means. The ways in which grammar is allowed to logically operate on the scope of the meaning of a noun is part of what that noun means, and you will never find an accurate representation of such things in a dictionary, only extra senses that exclude the extra words required to broaden the scope of the word beyond what it originally meant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945469
>They have more novel game, light novel, etc. discussion over there than /jp/ does
It might seem like it but it's because /a/ moves fast. I still see those in /jp/ and lasts a long while but on /a/ it only lasts like a few hours because it reached the bump limit quickly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945466
Like I said, cut the first years of life out of that. I'm probably almost preschooler level and I haven't even spent half a year yet. I just

1) Have my computer(/browser/default site language) set to Japanese
2) Play all games in Japanese
3) Don't read any books etc. except in Japanese
4) Only listen to Japanese music
5) Watch Japanese videos from time to time

etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945178
Using a spaced repetition program like Anki alongside reading is superior for retaining vocabulary than reading alone.
>I studied some Chinese so kanji is not a big problem.
That won't help much with reading Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone ITT is learning Japanese with girly SoL manga, including me. Do I have to read delinquent manga to balance out my speech?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945480
Who are you trying to convince here, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945479
"More" is an absolute statement, not a relative one.

In 2007, 8, 9, 10... you posted something like that on /a/ and you probably got your thread deleted and told to take it to /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945489
Everyone? I think you're going about it the wrong way if you focus on anything but consuming native content. This is a thread for learning so I'm giving you what I believe to be the best advice for how to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945477
This isn't Reddit, please don't put empty lines after ever line and refrain from using pseudoscience and deliberately difficult sounding terminology. You can't get karma here anyways, so feel free to talk like a normal person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945496
>Everyone?
Yet the person who seems the least convinced is yourself.

>I think you're going about it the wrong way if you focus on anything but consuming native content
So leave this thread.

>so I'm giving
Don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945487
君みたいな男の娘に女言葉はとても似合うわ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945497
>>17945506
Seriously, we can tell you're new. Go back to /pol/ or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945506
I think the other guy is wrong but you're being needlessly unpolite, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945497
>This isn't Reddit, please don't put empty lines after ever line
Looks like someone's new.

>and refrain from using pseudoscience and deliberately difficult sounding terminology
Mess of electromagnetic signals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity
The training of natural neurological systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_backpropagation and http://www.brainm.com/software/pubs/brain/Phillips-auditory-processing_4_23_2002%20(1).pdf
Input and comprehension: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_hypothesis and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_hypothesis#Monitor_hypothesis

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945511
>unpolite
You mean impolite?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945363
Just read any random VN whether it's easy or not and let the shit you don't understand slide off you for a bit until you build some vocab. The understanding will come in time once you've looked up enough shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945523
>Looks like someone's new.
Yes it sure looks that way

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945529
Yes, we know that you're so new that memes from toxic boards tricked you into thinking things about 4chan culture that aren't true.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does /djt/ hit over 1000 posts so easily nowadays? Are there more people interested in learning japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945540
>/djt/
Because there's more newfags like you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945544
Why are you so mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945540
More and more redditors(like you) plus the usual beginners answering each other's google-tier questions.

[Anonymous No.]

Constantly calling other people out on being "redditors" is not /jp/ culture.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not new, the shibboleth is just fake!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945557
Anyone who doesn't know /jp/ is the board with the greatest tendency toward randomly injecting intellectual bullshit into threads is definitely not native to /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945480
You're still learning the super common stuff. SRS shines when it comes to words you'd see once a month or less no matter how much you read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945570
それは本当かもしれないけど

言葉の読み率や聞き率はそんなに低いならどうしてそれを覚えたいか？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945595
You might only see a particular word once a month, but taken together you'll run into one of those once-a-month words every few lines. You'll never be able to read or listen without a dictionary unless you learn a ton of rare words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945622
そうかい？

それならば頑張ってるとじりじりとそんな言葉も覚えるはずだから！

[Anonymous No.]

I'm following TK and he has this as an example for the topic particle:
>アリスは学生？
Is the だ implied?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945664
はい、いつも。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945664
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945664
You don't use だ with questions (unless it's in a casual situation and being followed by か).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945682
Uh...

Did you make that up just now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945682
~Actual beginner~

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945699
It's weirder because even if you'd just watched some subbed anime now and then you should have heard questions ended with だ often enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945705
I don't watch anime because I'm not a weeb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945707
>>>/int/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945707
fuck off normalfaggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945705
Speaking of which, everyone should know about Animelon, which has bilingual subs and romaji, as well as a dictionary lookup for every word. It's a bit wonky sometimes but has been really helpful to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945718
>Animelon

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945720
>Animelon
>もしかしてじゃない
なにこのクズ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945718
more than enough subs exist on kitsunekko for me to gain a solid comprehension before turning them off
there is no need to dirty my soul with the sin of streaming anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945734
I don't see what's wrong with streaming anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945736
Because you're a normalfag, and thats ok. But you don't belong here

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945736
Because you have no sense of pride and accomplishment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945739
There's nothing wrong with streaming anime.

Well, okay, there are several things wrong with streaming anime but it's morally permissible if you're a lazy fuck and don't keep archives.

I don't think we should chase anyone out for that alone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945739
I agree but you should also leave and take your /a/ culture back to where it came from

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945753
You're never going to see me streaming anything, sorry bud, its cancer and always will be.
>>17945763
Nothing to do with /a/, simple network topology, bitrate and bandwidth costs, payment model and license expiry.
All of it amounts to streaming and people that do it being ignorant fuckwits.
And in animelons case that is trying to teach people, while admirable, with kitsunekko is ultimately pointless.

[Anonymous No.]

why is this thread devolving into nothing but flaming now

i just want to answer questions and 雑談する

なんでそんな

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945780
No one here is actually trying to learn japanese
Also why would you want to train your japanese with other foreigners who barely know it? You're just going to pick up bad habits

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945779
I agree that streaming anime is a pretty shitty value proposition and hence I don't stream anime, but I can definitely see the appeal. Pretending like it's some grave sin is just an /a/ meme, and an outdated one at that.

[Anonymous No.]

What does the third bubble say here? I glanced over some grammar structures that use なり but I don't know what it does in this situation. It doesn't help that 教わる is pretty new to me and that it seems fairly weird. It appears to be grammatically transitive but with a intransitive meaning. I am not even sure if what I just said makes any sense. At any rate I get that the second half talks about how it's better to study together but I am unsure about the first one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945787
It's writing practice, not reading practice

Reading practice is what I'm doing while my responses are being delayed by 5-10 minutes

Writing practice is what helps with actual speech production but I mentioned earlier mostly no one here seems to pay that any mind and no one seemed to much care so

I could do writing practice with natives and I do occasionally talk a bit to people doing livestreams (in Japanese) or whatever but I can't talk a lot because I'm afraid of doing something obviously wrong and then a whole crowd of native Japanese people suddenly realising I'm a foreigner

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945798

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945798
could be this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945807
>>17945808
So it goes "As soon as you learn from people its better to work together?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945798
"Training... Learning from a person (human?) and giving it my all... This is the result of that?"

Isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945814
努力 not 効力

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945833
...努力 not 協力*

this is what i get for not using a hiragana keyboard, ffs

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945798
Studying - [something something] that it's better to put in effort when you learn from other people? [= after they start instructing you, during a study session]
Assuming the context is something like that because it's a common meme to have bad grades because you spent all your time in a highly distracted group study session.

[Anonymous No.]

First page and I already can't understand anything. The only context is that he said it's hot outside. What's the function of まで and what could ガマンして家 possibly mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945814
oh i think you may have missed

ので is a causative expression

x ので y means "x causes y" more or less

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945851
なんで+昼間に遊ぶ+の[を]我慢して
+
手伝いした+の+に+おつかい+まで

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945851
Google 遊ぶの我慢.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945851
How does one translate ガマン in this sentence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945882
It's an idiomatic construction. Google 遊ぶの我慢.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945884
it's not.
遊ぶのを我慢する - put off playing, restrain oneself from playing

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945890
Yes. 我慢 taking an object of a verb nominalized with の is an idiomatic construction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945851
我慢

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945874
Fucking hell another case of parsing gone wrong on my part. Thank you very much I really appreciate the help.

[Anonymous No.]

So, my friend is getting into Kinnikuman and he's studying Japanese. So, I'd like to get him the manga collection for Christmas. But, does Kinnikuman use furigana? That's kind of the make or break it for me because I don't wanna get him something that'll be impossible for him to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945837
>>17945833
>>17945827
>>17945842
>>17945871
Much appreciated folks. It looks like I didn't even read the bubble right. I made a mistake with 努力 and completely overlooked ので. I kinda rushed the last pages of this volume to be honest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945896
The part that tripped you up is the て really

Usually if a て ended verb is followed by a noun, it's basically a conjuction a la "and," "but," or "while"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945899
Download a volume and find out! It's a wsj comic so I would assume it does, but it never hurts to look before you leap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17942709
>>17944495
I'm sorry, man, I really let you down. There is nothing wrong with the game, that is just the end of her route. After seeing the webm it really seemed familiar, so I opened the VN up and skipped through to the end to confirm it.

I can understand why you thought there was a problem though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945933
that's the thing though. I'm only finding torrents for the english version. Even on batoto only has english. I'm hoping someone here has it or has a resource for old RAWs that can confirm it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945987
>I'm only finding torrents for the english version. Even on batoto only has english.
That's because you're searching for it in English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945987
Search for the Japanese name of the series plus 立ち読み. Find the first digital manga retail site. Look for the trial reading session for the first volume. Profit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945987
It's in the cornucopia of resources

[Anonymous No.]

いっせんにひゃくごリプになったよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946042
いっせんにひゃくろくになる〜

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945996
It's not showing up for me. I have my settings set to show all.
>>17945999
Thanks anon. That really helped. Unfortunately, it looks like it's not in furigana, but I'm sure I can grab him some other shonen manga or something from the OP
>>17946011
I tried using google, but still wasn't finding the RAWs unless I'm just retarded and glossed over it.

[Anonymous No.]

What font do you guys use on your mining deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946071
wingdings

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946071
美咲フォント

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946071
MS Gothic

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946081
>MS
You are the cancer killing /jp/

（冗談（ks））

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946091
I'm not gonna install linux, deal with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946095
じゃあ

「ReactOS」？w

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946081
not that guy but the MS series is a 25-year-old relic with some really unbalanced characters. do yourself a favor and install something newer like Source Han Sans JP

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946110
My personal preference is "whatever makes the Japanese internet look good"

It actually looks ok in MS Gothic since a lot of it was originally designed in that, but there are still better options

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946110
It works fine for me, I have no reason to change it.

[Anonymous No.]

Shit, I have more kana to learn. This is almost as bad as when they made the Imoutogana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946117
変わらせたくないという人はそうそうけどそんなに生きているつもりで人生の意味は一体なんだと思うべきじゃ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946117
why settle for mediocre when you can have better for free

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946145
I'm lazy and I already got used to MS Gothic so it's better in my eyes

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946145
冒険欲望がないみたいな

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946095
>implying that installing a font requires installing linux
MS CJK fonts are garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

Just a week left until JLPT. How are you preparing yourself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946158
I'm escaping reality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946162
Which level?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946170
N2

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946196
Impressive. Have you ever taken it (any level) before?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17945986
Thanks for the confirmation anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946205
Yes, I failed the same level two years ago. It will be a real downer if I haven't improved since then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946209
Multiple people have said that you got the bad end.
You just haven't been reading or paying attention or are just fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

Alright, anyone have a clue what this means?

「だいたい、黒き流れについてわかって何になるというのだ？」

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946218
It's probably the typical case where he was reading the text but not really understanding anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946218
It isn't a bad end though, it is the normal end for her route.

[Anonymous No.]

first time i've seen 1200+ posts here desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946321
時代は変わる
新しいDJTへの道

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946224
No one responded, but I think I got it

Basically it's

"So what you're saying is, 'what will come of...'" etc.

Seems to be a relatively rare form of the already relatively rare ということだ, which as a question means the same "so what you're saying is"

[Anonymous No.]

成敗してくれるわ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946570
何言うてん？俺が拷問当番やで。
成敗してやる人おれば俺しかおらへんや。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946577
言っとくけど俺めっちゃつえぇ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946583
あんさんの強さなんて知らへんわ、成敗などとなると精神力は体力より大切やで。
やから俺がやるで。邪魔したらぶっしばいてやる。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946598
ふふふ
ではあなたの精神力を試させていただきます

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946603
試してみぃ、負けるはずあらへん

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

>>17946118
おなじかなが

くっついているよ

がんばれおにいちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946606
そんな生意気な台詞
いつまで言っていられるか
楽しみだな

[Anonymous No.]

>_imouto.png
この子かわいい！！！
結婚してくれ！！！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946618
うはろに見えるんですけど

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any erochikku geemu written in imoutogana?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946621
関西弁で話す時にいつでもこーゆーなるんやで。
生意気な言い方は当然はずや。
こーせえへんと日本語をホンマに楽しむ機会あらへんわ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946630
>imoutogana
Brilliant. I'll need to use that myself in the future when people only type in kana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946634
君のたこ焼きをほんまに楽しむ機会が訪れないかなぁ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946638
俺ん…たこ焼き？なんや？
たこ焼き作らへんやけど食べる機会あったら食べるたまらへんでな！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946641
そうよ
二つついてるでしょう？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946643
おいちょい待ちやで...あんさん知り合い！？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946321
Around 1000 of the posts are garbage which should have been deleted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946646
それは多分違うけど
そんなにあたしと尻合いになりたいんならいつでもおいでね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946211
いつから勉強してますか？俺もｊｌｐｔ試験を受けたいんですけど12月に間に合わなかったんだ。難しかった？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946649
>そんなにあたしと尻合いになりたいんならいつでもおいで
一緒にギャグを作って漫才をしよって訳かい？
せめて一度漫才をやりたかったからええで！やろーぜ！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946652
I've been studying seriously for around three years.
It was hard, but I also fucked up by not doing the reading section first and I ran out of time.
The real problem with this test for me is that it's in December. Worst fucking time for an exam when I already have tons of other shit I have to do. I wish my country would let us have it twice a year like other places.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946655
そう言われるとなんか緊張してきてアイディアが思い浮かばないなぁ
どうすれば。。。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946626
あたしも

はんぶんくらい

わからないよ

わからないけど

くっついてるんだから

おなじもじと

おなじもじのあいだは

ぜんぶおなじかなだとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946661

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946660
なんも思いつかへんならただ理不尽なこと言うて俺がツッコんでやるわ
これは漫才の基本やで、観客が大笑って大拍手するはずやで

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946661
いもうと博士にさえ分からないとはな
実に恐ろしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946667
理不尽って。。。
確かに理不尽と言えば、アレだね
ええと
やっぱりあたし漫才に向いてないんじゃないか

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946677
そう、アレやでアレ
けどアレ言われたくへんならなんでも言うてええやで！
ほれやってみやってみ、すぐにツッコんでから

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946679
あの
鶏はどうして交差点を渡ったのか知ってる？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946688
なぜやろ、腹減った黒人から逃げたやから？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946693
オチ忘れた(´-﹏-`；)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946688
ほっちきすでとめられていたからでしょ

どうしてかはしらないけど

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946702
かわいい～！
あんさんは漫才が下手すぎるけどかわいい味わいは良すぎるわ！アイドルになる技術持ってんやで！

[Anonymous No.]

ホッチキスはstaplerだから

あるくひとにくっついているとかいう

あめりかダジャレかなあとおもってたんだけど

ちがうのん？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946723
要するに、それはオチにならへん
英語ウィキペディアのchicken jokeと言うページを読んだらええ思うで

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946716
無理無理そんなの
ダンスできないし歌も下手し

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946706
>>17946723
staplerと歩く人って何か関係ある？わかんない

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946731
じゃせめて俺ん嫁になれへん？
いじめへんで知り合えばええ人思うや

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946736
ｗｈｙっていうと

だいたいＴｈａｔ’ｓ　ｉｔ。って

いわれるから

あたしは

いつまでも

わからんの

ままだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946747
画像の通り

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946668
よくでる

ふたもじだけ、Ａｎｎｋｉしてみようよ

うえは「き」のじ

したは「以下略」のじだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946668
よくでる

ふたもじＡｎｎｋｉしてみてね

うえは「き」のじ

したは「以下略」のじだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946769
anki yo
annki de nai

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946769
なんだそりゃ

777?

[Anonymous No.]

上手くになりたい！
上手くになりたい！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946769
下は（ｒｙ、上は…なんやあれ？姦か？森か？三つの七？
意味分からへん

[Anonymous No.]

Anon just know that you'll know Japanese better than the average Jap if you keep studying it

I mean who would know English better, someone who just uses it casually or someone actively studying every aspect of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946838
>I mean who would know English better, someone who just uses it casually or someone actively studying every aspect of it
The guy who's been submerged in a culture that speaks the language for his whole life?
An expert linguist/culture expert might know more than the average native but you have to go above and beyond what's expected of the average fluent non-native speaker to get that far.
Just watch any variety show where they regularly make jokes about celebrities or famous people that you won't understand AT ALL if you aren't native or have a ridiculous amount of exposure under your belt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946833
がんばれ

ふるいおみせの

のれんにかいてあるとおもうよ

はいがんばりますっていえ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946854
チッ、せめて（ｒｙを知ってたやな

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946363
>what will come of

You sure?

[Anonymous No.]

ちな

ここに

ちゃんと

あるでしょ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946848
Anon stop trying to prove me wrong and make me have a bad feeling when going to sleep, that's just mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946869
It wasn't me this time I promise
Can you unsubscribe me from those spam emails tho

[Anonymous No.]

What does DJT think of the Japanese from Zero! guide/book/podcast/videos? Its got a kawaii animu waifu on the cover so it can't be too bad right?

The guy can be cringey at times, but honestly he's starting to grow on me LOL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946950
Get out.

[Anonymous No.]

>面白そうなコンサートだったので行ってみました。
Is the degree of formality not required to be consistent within a sentence? I would've assumed that you'd have been expected to use でした, rather than だった there since it ends with the polite みました.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947045
面白そうだなあ

面白そうなコンサートだなあ

（と思った）ったので

行きたいなあ（と思い）

行きました。

を全部つめこんだものだとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946950
I don't think many people have experience with that here, atleast never seen it discussed. Most follow the resources in the FAQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946950
I've watched him and he does know Japanese from being a native for a long time. I actually have a couple of his books somewhere around me from when I had more money than sense. The problem is he will die before you get past basic grammar because he puts out books on Korean and Chinese as well so it's more like following the blogs of a East Asian polyglot that puts out books to allow himself to learn more than actually you buckling down and learning the language that interests you. There are more efficient ways to learn Japanese than to wait for another one of his books to come out.

[Anonymous No.]

>家には猫がいる
That は tripped me. Is whole 家に a topic? この町には大学が二つある from grammar reference seems to support that. Would 猫が家にいる be incorrect?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947061
Okay, I take it that there's no need to revamp past thoughts while putting them on paper then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947065
あたしのいけんでいい？

>猫が家にいる
猫が家にいるのは

いいことだとおもっているときにつかうとおもうよ

>家には猫がいる
猫が家にいて

もんだいがあったりわるいことがあるときにつかうとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know what kanji the third one in this sentence is? I cant find it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947094
迹?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947094
直

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947125
That's it.Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947081
I can probably parse that with a regex or hearing someone say it, but not with reading skills of someone on the first half of grammar guide.
In other words, please answer questions in English in English, and use kanji when writing in Japanese, thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947065
>>17947170
It's exactly how it looks. It's just に＋は
It's like
"In this town, there are two colleges".
or
"In my house, there is a cat".
It's placing emphasis on the location.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947204
I see, thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>https://myanimelist.net/people/10472/Tomosa_Murata
wtf, people are actually hating on the voice actress of Yuno in Mirai Nikki
she's half the reason why I even sort of like the anime despite it being typical shounen shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947062
Im following DJT guide too. I find watching the video content from this series comfy and helpful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17946950
All and all it's a little bit too introductory and easy per volume. If you insist on one of the anime books, go for Japanese in Mangaland.

[Anonymous No.]

おなかすいた

なっとうごはんたべたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947506
納豆が辛いじゃない

俺には辛いたべもの苦手なの

[Anonymous No.]

What is that second to last kanji? I thought it was 嫌 but I dont think that forms a word with 子.

Wish i could get this in better resolution.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947708
様子?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947708
looks like 様子 to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947708
気にすることはないさ
美乳こそ正義

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947718
>>17947717
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947723
>美乳こそ正義
いやペタンコだろう

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947732
ぺたんこって表現は気に入らないけどまあ、そう言われてみればそうなんだな

[Anonymous No.]

>>17931413
Is this the right thread for qtddtot about Japanese culture in general? Or is this language only?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17947778
It's about studying the language for the sake of consuming untranslated Japanese media.