DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1860

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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17905814

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むり

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do your reps

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What's the difference between this thread and the one on /int/?

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>>17918802
we learn japanese, /djt/ are normies who exclusively communicate via kana because they only want to speak japanese, not read it

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今日も一日がんばるみょん～

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あたらしいリボンほしい

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>>17918855
>この後滅茶苦茶セックスした

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Where can I find weird readings some kanji have (especially in names)? For example, 鶴 read as 「ビャク」. I get it, Japanese cranes are white, but how far can you take it? Where do you draw the line? Is there a standardized chart for what is allowed and what is not (based on some hundred years old edgy poetry where furigana was even more screwed up than in the meiji bible)?
>inb4 don't give a shit about it, focus on other things, this knowledge is useless
But I'm curious.

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>>17918907
it's fiction but

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おなかすいた

ぶりだいこんたべたい

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So why is the kanji for watermelon 西瓜? Wouldn't it be logical if it were 水果? Or is hiragana used for the most part?

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>>17918970
水瓜

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>>17918970
I use 水瓜.

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How do I merge the subdecks in the KKLC deck into one?

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スイッか？

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>>17918970
西瓜は野菜

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Anyone here who got any experience with language schools in Japan? If so, please do tell

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>>17918970
I think the most common spelling is katakana. in China it is also 西瓜. It's odd that 水果 is similar to English water+melon, but I don't recall seeing it being used before (not that I read about watermelons a lot).

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>>17919012

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What's a simple non-vn video game that can be played in japanese?

I'm open to a bit of a challenge if it's fun enough o be compelling.

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>>17919160
Chrono Trigger

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When you learn kanji from vocabulary, you don't have any information about the common pronunciation-inducing forms for 音読み: shit like 正 = しょう, 甫 = ほ, 雚 (and its simplifications like the left form in 観) = かん, and so on. And when you start noticing these patterns, you really wish you knew them from the beginning, since they save a lot of efforts for memorizing on readings. Do you think it's a good idea to compile a list of such forms with pronunciations into a small supplementary deck, similar to the one of radicals and their meanings?

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>>17919180
>you really wish you knew them from the beginning
everyones beginning is their own, this is usually regret you're toiling in

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>>17919205
useless*

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>>17919205
Nope, I mean knowing them beforehand would account for a more effective study. It is a matter of taste, I guess, but some people would likely prefer that, like they could prefer studying radicals before getting to vocabulary (provided they avoid any isolated kanji study)

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>>17919180
I'm still early enough in my vocabulary studies that any pattern recognition would help.

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Any reason to have my anki reviews set to 99999 when Im using another method of SRS? Takes up a lot of time even though it does help me go back into already known words again for reinforcement.

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>>17919180
I did this but the problem is there are many words that do stuff like this: こうすい→こうずい. Most of the mistakes I do today come from not changing syllables in specific words. Like turning a は into a ば. So even equipped with the knowledge of the most common 音読み I do mistakes from time to time.

>Do you think it's a good idea to compile a list of such forms with pronunciations into a small supplementary deck, similar to the one of radicals and their meanings?
I think your brain does this automatically for you onces you have consumed enough japanese.

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>>17919301
連濁。Look it up.

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Just started anki the other day but after I finish the daily limit, I can't do another run on the deck until tomorrow?

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>>17919336
Take it slow, friend. You'll be doing hours of study very soon.

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>>17919345
I thought it would be nice to do another review of what I learned.

I guess I'll just go back to reading Tae Kim's grammar for now.

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>>17919330
Thank you. This is very helpful.

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Here's a question. What Japanese book did you all start with, and where are you now? I want to get serious about learning.

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>>17919386
I started with Tae Kim. I'm reading porn now. Not sure if you want to end up like me.

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>>17919386
Never read a book. Started with Rewrite the VN and now three years later I can read pretty comfortably.

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Why is there a negative vibe over Sakubi on /djt/?
Taking a quick look at it, it just seems like Tae Kim: The Cliffnotes Version.
What give?

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>>17919633
Paranoid people freaking out that every time it's mentioned or recommended at all, it's really just the creator shilling his own work. I personally think it's a great guide to get people started reading asap.

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>>17919633
>>17919677
*american flag intensifies*

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>>17919633
>>17919633
It's an /int/ meme to hate on Sakubi.

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>>17919386
Tae Kim, now turning to play shitty rpg maker porn games

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Why is the most popular Japanese grammar guide on DJT made by a Korean?

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>>17919894
why is american pizza better than italian pizza

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>>17919902
It's not, burger. Just because it kills you faster doesn't mean it's better

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Christ, Yomichan sucks.

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>>17919913
Life is meant to be lived. If a car that can do 0-60 in 1.9 seconds is outlawed for being wrong I don't want to be right.

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>>17919934
It really does. It also doesn't work in private browsing mode for us paranoiacs.

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>>17919934
Just don't update firefox

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>>17918992
You can drag and drop subdecks to remove them from the current deck they belong to, then use the card browser to move the cards from the various subdecks all into one deck. The first step might not be necessary.

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>>17918801
I just did them fuck off

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>tfw your brain lives on a 30 hour schedule so you have to do 2x reps every few days even though you aren't actually missing reps

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>live in constant fear of staying awake for too long and being forced to do reps for the second day
At least anki has helped me fix my sleeping schedule

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>>17920128
didn't think other people had this problem too

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The best way to use Yomichan's Anki integration is to have it fill in the expression, furigana, audio, etc. fields automatically for you, then to manually fill in the meaning field yourself (preferably from the Kenkyusha dictionary since it's definitions are usually better than JMdict/EDICT's).

Having either Yomichan or Rikaisama fill in the meaning field automatically is a terrible idea. Ignoring the fact that Yomichan's formatting of it is horrible, both add-ons populate the field with way too many meanings to be remembered, and add senses of the words which you never actually encountered and which might be really obscure or archaic (or which are just logical extensions of the core meaning which are pointless to have on your cards).

prove me wrong

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>>17920171
I just make my cards manually, man. I've been using yomi from day one because I don't like firefox, and I ended up being too dumb to figure out how to auto create cards.

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How do you rip the audio files from an Anki deck?
I want to burn them to put it in a cassette tape and play them on my walkman.

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>>17920203
what year is it?!

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>>17920200
>I just make my cards manually, man.
Then you don't get audio, which I feel makes a big difference. It's also slower and introduces a risk of adding incorrect readings to your cards via human error.

>and I ended up being too dumb to figure out how to auto create cards.
We have a guide for Yomichan now. The guide was made for Firefox users, but I imagine the steps are more or less identical on Chrome.

https://djtguide.neocities.org/anki.html#import

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Last time I asked this I got meme answers, let's try again.

Apart from books, is there anything I should be looking to pick up in Japan that will help learning?

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>>17920247
Yeah, chicks.

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>>17920253
I want to know where this hivemind is located at because this is the only answer I've ever received to this.

I don't even think it's that egregious of a question. I appreciate that the resources in this thread are designed around people not having to spend money (especially import fees), but I'm going to be in the country anyway so I may as well pick up as many things that will help me as possible.

Plus I'm gay so it's a bad answer anyway.

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>>17920253
let's be realistic here, he probably looks like davido-kun

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>>17919677
>Paranoid people freaking out that every time it's mentioned or recommended at all, it's really just the creator shilling his own work.
Did you mess up writing this? It seems contradictory to me, but it would make sense if you meant to connect the two halves of the sentence in a different way.

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Thank god the OP had Duolingo in it because that was the question I came here to ask. I took Japanese 1 and 2 in college because I had some extra hours to fill and wanted a foreign language, and Duolingo is fucking awful. It doesn't teach anything about grammar and it's basically just "keep trying until you get it right randomly" and you'll never remember it afterwards. Also, the entirety of the Duolingo course covered less than I learned in a single semester of Japanese 101, and I even learned to fucking write in that class. Basically, I just came here to rant about Duolingo.

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>>17920274
Any video games you might want to import, as they'll be expensive or hard to find otherwise. Books, too.

But specific to learning, I know Tobira is pretty easy to find in Japan but a little expensive abroad.

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>>17920288
Thank you very much, I hadn't heard of Tobira.

My 3DS is modded to be region-free so I'm gonna pick up a few games. Debating whether or not to pick up some Vita games as I know not many Vita games have Furigana and it would be helpful for looking up Kanji.

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>>17920274
Sorry, I wasn't trying to antagonize you, just having a giggle. Also, same .

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>>17919180
>>17919301
If this helps, there's a linguistic reason for these. We generally learn pronunciation habits over time or exposure but some are very common.

Things like when "s" ends up between two vowels, make it"z" this is called voicing and alost every language on the planet does it, since your vocal chords have to vibrate for vowels, they don't bother to stop just to nail that "s" sound, which requires no vibration.

Another is how words starting with つ sometimes reduce it to っ when a compound ends up in front of it. If you sit back and try to think about word structure these changes can become really obvious really fast, because most are about making pronunciation easier or general human efficiency/laziness. I hope this was informative.

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When you encounter a transitive form of a verb while reading, do you also mine its intransitive form (and vice versa)?

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>>17920421
If you encounter an intransitive form that ends in ~eru you should mine the transitive form because it's probably a morphological pairing instead instead of a lexical one. Aside from that, don't bother.

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>>17920429
The verb that got me to ask this question ends in -eru but is transitive rather than intransitive (整える; the intransitive form is 整う). Did you mean to say transitive rather than intransitive? Or is this just a coincidence?

>morphological pairing instead instead of a lexical one
I have no idea what that means.

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For some reason I can't get paste into the HTML pages provided by the VN setup guide. Has compatibility been broken? I've tried on both Chrome and Firefox.

https://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk

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When I'm just starting reading for practice, when my vocab's not really there but I'm trying to sort of force my way through anyway hoping I learn some things, you guys recommend I try to sit there with every sentence for as long as it takes with a dictionary until I understand exactly what was said, even if it takes me an hour to get through a single short scene? Or should I try to keep the pace up even if I don't necessarily understand everything? Just gonna go into some random moege I don't give too much of a shit about for now.

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>>17920438
He means that 整える is the potential form of 整う and not a different verb (which rikaisama should tell you anyway)

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>>17920438
切れる is the intransitive form of 切る. It's frequently treated like a lexical pair, meaning that they're different words, but it's not a morphological pairing, where the intransitive verb is a direct form change of the transitive verb.

You can see the difference between morphological and lexical changes to the same words more easily with causatives. In this case, the lexical causatives are usually ~eru versions of another verb, and increase transitivity further:

着る -> 着せる

The morphological version is this:

着る -> 着させる

You know the first is lexical and the second is morphlogical because 着る is an ichidan verb, but the short causative せる is normally ungrammatical when attached to ichidan verbs, but 着せる is much more common than 着させる. This means that it's psychologically bypassing the morphological interpretation when natives see/hear it, otherwise it would sound wrong.

Intransitive ~eru verbs made from transitive ~u verbs are treated like lexical pairs in a lot of resources, but they're actually morphological. The difference between the long ~areru and short ~eru for the passive-potential is often simplified to "the first one for ichidan verbs for the passive and potential, the first for godan verbs for the passive, and the second for godan verbs for the potential", but the reality is more nuanced, and verbs with certain places on the transitivity spectrum can take the ~eru ending to mean a defective passive that doesn't accept the agent with に.

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>>17920485
That's true too but I assumed they understood that. Also not all uses of 整える are the potential form.

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>>17920486
>but it's not a morphological pairing
but it's actually a*

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>>17919934
Never used Rikai myself so I can't compare the two. What is so bad about Yomichan?

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How do you get Windows IME to input mid word lone Ns?

Like, when I'm trying to write てんいん for 店員, the shit thing very much prefers to write てにｎ instead.

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>>17920510
press n twice

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>>17920502
- The mouseover window is bloated
- It fills anki cards with even more garbage than rikaisama does
- It doesn't work on mobile or in private windows
- Even if you disable selection it still fucks with keyboard/mouse focus and makes things like the quick reply window in this thread unusable
- It's worse than rikaisama at using EPWING dictionaries

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>>17920510
A. use botnet IME instead
B. press n twice

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>>17920517
>>17920520
All right, thanks.

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I would rather know if there is a keybind for switching between kana and romanji inside IME.
Clicking it doesn't feel right.

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>>17920519
>The mouseover window is bloated
I suppose that's just your preference but I think it is somewhat customizable. It has a few options in Chrome like compact glossaries and I wonder how much you can do Handlebars.js.

>It fills Anki cards with even more garbage than Rikaisama does
You can completely customize what it puts in, that certainly is not a valid argument.

>It doesn't work on mobile or in private windows
For Firefox? I suppose that could be but it works fine in private in Chrome so that's not an issue I'm facing.

> Even if you disable selection it still fucks with keyboard/mouse focus and makes things like the quick reply window in this thread unusable
I have no idea what you mean and I've been using Yomichan for months. Care to elaborate or tell me how to reproduce this? For me Yomichan only activates when I hold shift and I find that to be a pretty comfortable setup, not sure if it's that way by default.

>It's worse than rikaisama at using EPWING dictionaries
In what way? I only have 3 dictionaries but it seems to work fine. Haven't imported any J-J ones though, I wonder if it's just your EPWING that is broken.

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>>17920555
Alt + whatever key you have next to 1 on your keyboard.

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>>17920567
Hey thanks dude

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>>17920566
>You can completely customize what it puts in
Do you want to put in definitions? Congrats, it just put in way more garbage.

>I have no idea what you mean and I've been using Yomichan for months. Care to elaborate or tell me how to reproduce this? For me Yomichan only activates when I hold shift and I find that to be a pretty comfortable setup, not sure if it's that way by default.
Select text. Mouse over Japanese. Scan for definitions. Selection broke. Fucks up all sorts of things if you have autoscan enabled, which you need for it to be a rikai replacement.

>In what way?
It doesn't filter out examples from the "definitions" of EPWING dictionaries, so if you mine them, your cards become actually unusable.

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>>17920592
I actually limit myself to 15-20 cards a day that I mine and tag with Yomichan. Then I edit the back to be compact and easy to memorize while mostly being understandable and capturing the meaning of the word, afterwards I remove the tag. I'm not sure what dictionary has data that is perfectly mineable and suited for flashcards, seems like you're going to end up with junk cards anyway if you import words with +15 definitions or you will miss out on things if you only use one (not sure how J-J compares to this though). You can change the grouping in Yomichan and you'll get different cards. Then again I'm not sure what Rikai does better here other than maybe cut out examples as you mentioned. Importing tags and html can be disabled easily.

>Select text. Mouse over Japanese. Scan for definitions. Selection broke.
Ok I tried it and that does happen. Never bothered me personally, I have autoscan disabled because I want to read Japanese and not hover the entire text. Don't think that's a problem a large number of people would have anyway. Almost nitpicking in my opinion.

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>>17920658
Rikaisama lets you filter epwing dictionary definition text with regular expressions.

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>>17920219
>and introduces a risk of adding incorrect readings to your cards via human error
I'd never trust a machine to get readings correct without some human checking involved in the process.

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>>17920658
>I don't use it like X so it doesn't matter if it's broken if you use it like X

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Fuck my life, production is off the charts difficult when compared to reading. Remind me to never take a class that makes you write shit for the teacher's viewing pleasure again.

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>>17920485
The potential form doesn't change words from transitive to intransitive though, does it?

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>>17920500
I can't really say that I get it.

You say that 切れる is just the potential inflection of 切る, but the actual meaning of 切れる in dictionaries doesn't reflect that sense. 切れた (as it appears in dictionaries) would be distinctly that something was cut, whereas 切れた (as a potential form of 切った) would be that someone was able to cut something.

They function as different words, so how are they not?

>Intransitive ~eru verbs made from transitive ~u verbs are treated like lexical pairs in a lot of resources, but they're actually morphological.
Doesn't the fact that most resources do this suggest that they indeed are separate words with separate meanings?

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>>17920171
I didn't see your post before I started posting in the thread. I completely agree.

>>17920667
Care to elaborate? Not sure what you mean.

>>17920688
All dictionaries are made by humans not machines. You are at risk of fucking up when you do it yourself, when you import you can be sure it is correct.

>>17920698
Pretty much. From what I've seen that way of using it produces junk for both Rikai and Yomi.
Or do you mean the selection? Stick to Rikai if that annoys you I suppose.

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>>17920719
>You say that 切れる is just the potential inflection of 切る
Re-read the first post.

>Intransitive ~eru verbs made from transitive ~u verbs are treated like lexical pairs in a lot of resources, but they're actually morphological. The difference between the long ~areru and short ~eru for the passive-potential is often simplified to "the first one for ichidan verbs for the passive and potential, the first for godan verbs for the passive, and the second for godan verbs for the potential", but the reality is more nuanced, and verbs with certain places on the transitivity spectrum can take the ~eru ending to mean a defective passive that doesn't accept the agent with に.

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>>17920719
Advanced grammar resources insist on the fact that passive and potential are not as clear-cut as beginner's resources want you to believe. This is because of places where the obvious potential form has a passive meaning instead.

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>>17920722
>All dictionaries are made by humans not machines. You are at risk of fucking up when you do it yourself, when you import you can be sure it is correct.
I am are talking about software correctly selecting readings for kanji with different readings depending on the context. For example, no machine can reliably determine when the user wants 開ける-はだける instead of 開ける-あける or 開ける-ひらける. There are thousands of instances like these.

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>>17920726
I'm not well versed on terminology so I had a bit of a struggle wrapping my head around the original post.

Okay, so you're saying 切れる is actually a defective passive... but doesn't "defective passive" just mean an intransitive verb? And if it's a passive form of 切る, then why does it use the potential inflection? It makes no sense.

It just feels like linguists wanting to come up with overly complicated, needlessly technical explanations for the sake of it. If even Japanese dictionaries are treating them as separate words, then it probably means that they for all intents and purposes are.

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>>17920171
The better solution is to have them automatically fill in the meaning and just edit them later if there is something you don't like.

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>>17920760
>but doesn't "defective passive" just mean an intransitive verb?
Yes. But the key difference is that passives are formed morphologically. Intransitive verbs include verbs that are morphologically intransitive and verbs that are lexically transitive.

>And if it's a passive form of 切る, then why does it use the potential inflection?
Because it's not "the potential inflection".

>It just feels like linguists wanting to come up with overly complicated, needlessly technical explanations for the sake of it.
Language is not a trivial thing. We don't even understand how syntax actually works.

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>>17920760
>If even Japanese dictionaries are treating them as separate words, then it probably means that they for all intents and purposes are.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/running#English
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/moving#English
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eaten#English
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/told#English
Yeah, not a good metric dude.

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>>17920667
Rikaisama lets you do nerd sorcery that is irrelevant to 99% including a good chunk of programmers. Got it.

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>>17920770
>regular expressions
>irrelevant to [...] a good chunk of programmers
How's your CS degree going for you?

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>>17920756
I thought we are talking about making flashcards here. When you hover such a word it will always shows all possible readings. From there on you just create multiple flashcards with the same word and either remember both before uncovering the card or you have some kind of identifier on the front. What you said is in no way an argument in favor of creating manual flashcards. It'd be an argument against automatic furigana generation but nobody does that anyway.

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>>17920774
>From there on you just create multiple flashcards with the same word and either remember both before uncovering the card or you have some kind of identifier on the front
This is one of the stupidest things you can do.

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>>17920779
What do you do?

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>>17920781
You either put multiple definitions/readings on the back of a single card or you only put one definition set/reading on the back of a card. You never make multiple cards with the same word, not even with "an identifier".

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>>17920773
Not him, but working as a programmer for over three years now, I use regexps like once in two months at work, once a month at home. How about you?

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>>17920789
Same basically. Far from irrelevant. Not to mention that the theory they come from lays the foundation for letting structured programming languages in general exist.

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>>17920786
Why not? You are remembering different pieces of information. If there is one reading you have more trouble with you won't be seeing the reading you know perfectly all the time. You actually think making flashcards with 3 readings and a myriad of definitions is better than separating them? What arguments do you have for that exactly other than that you never do that? And how is that in any way a favor for manual flashcards when you can fuck yourself up in the same way with automatic flashcards?

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So why don't you all recommend textbooks like Genki?

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>>17920770
Ask around. You'll be surprised how many programmers don't know how to use them even though they feel basic. They simply aren't relevant for a lot of people, and they forget how to use them if they ever learned.

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>>17920815
Because they're meant to be used in class. And we all know how stupid the average Japanese student is.

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>>17920811
Anki trains you to remember exactly the back of the card based on the front of the card, nothing else and nothing more. It only works because you fail the card exactly when you remember the back wrong. When the front of the card is ambiguous or too similar to other cards, you are failing cards you might actually be getting right, except for cases where it's natural for the cards to be similar. Different readings of the same word are not one of those cases.

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>>17920485
Does it even make sense to have a potential form of an intransitive verb? How does that even work?

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>>17920838
Yes.
>is ready (e.g. already)
>can be ready (e.g. at any time)

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>>17920823
>Different readings of the same word are not one of those cases.
Why not?
If a word has a common reading that I easily guess, I still have to fail it when I don't get the super rare reading right? In the end I have to remember both anyway. Whether I have two cards or one card makes no difference except in the rating, because most likely you will be performing worse on the rare reading.
You still haven't said how that is an argument for manual flashcard creation. After all automatic flashcards are easily edited to suit your preferences. Much more so than a manual flashcard created from scratch.

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>>17920842
>If a word has a common reading that I easily guess, I still have to fail it when I don't get the super rare reading right?
If you don't need to memorize something, don't put it in your cards.

>Whether I have two cards or one card makes no difference except in the rating
You're going to fail one because you remembered the other and vice versa, unless you remember both before flipping the card. This increases your reviews unnecessarily, because you have to learn that this word has two cards, not just the two definitions you have to remember before flipping it.

>You still haven't said how that is an argument for manual flashcard creation.
I am not your other.

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>>17919934
I can't even get it to work. Firefox forced its update on me and now I can't scan like I used to. Shit sucks.

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>>17920847
>If you don't need to memorize something, don't put it in your cards.
I'd think it'd be risky to have an unusual reading as the only one in your deck.

>unless you remember both before flipping the card
I said that like 3 times already.

>This increases your reviews unnecessarily
Not unnecessarily. I don't think an increase in my reviews by 1 is that detrimental considering the total volume of my reviews anyway.

>because you have to learn that this word has two cards
And you have to remember that your card has two pieces of information on the back as opposed to one before flipping it. How do you do that? Because I do that the exact same way with multiple cards. It's really the same thing. The difference is that the obvious piece of information gets the delays it is supposed to while the harder card is failed more often.

>I am not your other.
So you just wanted to mention how much objectively better it is to put all readings and definitions on one card as opposed to structuring it into multiple? What a productive point you are making.

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>>17920869
I take that back. It works on this site but not on the one I was trying it on. I don't know why it's like this.

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>>17920879
>I said that like 3 times already.
Then put them on the same card. There is literally no reason not to.

>Not unnecessarily.
Yes unnecessarily. You could easily know that you have to learn both readings. Instead you're putting them in separate cards because you're obsessed with the idea that each card should have one reading.

>I don't think an increase in my reviews by 1 is that detrimental considering the total volume of my reviews anyway.
Solving the example instead of the system.

>And you have to remember that your card has two pieces of information on the back as opposed to one before flipping it.
Yeah, just like you have to remember the back of the card in the first place. Because that's what Anki trains you to do. Remember the fucking back of the card. It's not rocket science.

>How do you do that?
See above.

>Because I do that the exact same way with multiple cards. It's really the same thing.
It's really not. You have to learn that you have multiple cards with different readings. This does not automatically happen the moment you see the second card. You have to realize that you're failing a card you actually know, then check your deck to see what's there or if you just learned a version of the word that isn't in your deck through exposure. It's literally objectively not the same thing.

>The difference is that the obvious piece of information gets the delays it is supposed to while the harder card is failed more often.
You will fail the "obvious" card because you remembered the "hard" card when the "obvious" card came up for review. Uncommon does not mean harder to memorize. Not to mention how many words there are where each reading is equally common and easy.

>So you just wanted to mention how much objectively better it is to put all readings and definitions on one card as opposed to structuring it into multiple?
Yes, because people build terrible decks then get mad that they're not working and switch to sentence cards. People lurk these threads and take advice from obsessive idiots like you that can't see the forest from the trees.

[Anonymous No.]

they're not different
but you should do it my way because it's how I do it
I'm ignoring anything that could go wrong with the way I do it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17920859
くたばれ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17920895
>There is literally no reason not to.
but anon when you're making cards fully automatically you can't put multiple definitions/readings on the same card with certain tools unless you manually edit them which is a waste of effort!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17920895
Oh I see what you mean. It basically boils down to you saying there is no way for someone to remember what they have on the front of the card so they will not be able to tell they have multiple cards like that. That is a valid point if you do nothing but create multiple cards without any other indicator that there is another card with the same front. Now I already mentioned one way to solve this, put something on the front. It can just be a dot or a dash indicating that you are looking at an unusual card. If you don't want to do that, put something on the back indicating there are multiple cards with the same front. That way you still have multiple cards with differently rated readings but know it's not the only card like that.

Personally I haven't had that problem and I honestly doubt anyone else would. You'd need to have some serious Kanji recognition deficiency if you fail both cards and don't notice anything. Probably something worth working on by itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17920930
Or, you could just, you know, not build multiple cards with the same front and different backs. Because there is actively no reason not to. There is nothing bad about seeing the "easy" parts again whenever you forget the "hard" parts and forget the card. You already have to deal with that when you use combined reading-definition on the card's back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17920930
No, it doesn't solve the problem.

今年
Oh, こねん, right?
flip card
Oh, it's ことし. Guess こねん is the other one.

When you recall both readings you need to be able to validate both readings. Otherwise you will reinforce incorrect readings for the cards you're not looking at. You need both readings on the same card. Full stop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17920944
I don't agree. If anything I'd bet people would be tempted to press hard (or even good) if they've partly remembered the card. With one reading you can very easily quantify what you press. I know a lot of people are lenient like that on their reviews. It boils down to what I originally said, that it is simple preference. Certainly no objective argument for cluttering one card with all information, no I don't think "1 review less" is a valid argument.

>>17920956
No you don't. Because you have another card saying こんねん (not こねん). If you remember こんねん well but keep failing ことし, you will keep seeing ことし and vice versa. You are not reinforcing bad readings, complete nonsense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17920982
>No you don't.
Yes you do.

>Because you have another card saying こんねん (not こねん).
If it's mature you won't see it again for months.

>If you remember こんねん well but keep failing ことし, you will keep seeing ことし and vice versa.
Maybe if they were the same card, but no, they're not, and their schedules are mutually unrelated. Seeing one and remembering the other reading wrong does not mean you will be tested on the other reading soon.

>You are not reinforcing bad readings, complete nonsense.
Yes, you are. The idea that nothing bad can happen is the nonsense here. You are actively blind to any problems with your method, not because those problems don't exist, but because you're arrogant. This is not a situation where you came here and posted about your method. You actively recommended it to someone else. You are not free from criticism about how your method will not work for other people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17920859
あんた馬鹿?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17920982
In theory, Anki is meant to give you a relatively fixed chance of forgetting a card whenever it comes up for review, so people will forget mature cards all the time.

This happens in practice as well, especially if the user is not exposed to the information they're memorizing in the wild. When you're reading without furigana, this means that you won't be exposed to readings all the time, either.

Not to mention the same problem remains even if the card isn't really mature and only has an interval of a week or two. Aside from leeches, cards that are a week or two old are the easiest to forget. Getting one week into the two-week interval of こんねん and seeing ことし and remembering こんねん wrong and reinforcing the wrong reading for the remainder of the week is an entirely realistic scenario, and parallel situations with other words happen to people using Core 2k/6k all the time because of it having multiple cards with identical fronts. It's one of the laughing points of Core decks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17920995
>If it's mature you won't see it again for months.
Which means you should already know it to some degree? You can make that argument for any card with one reading all the same. If you don't remember it correctly, but it will only appear in 6 months you have either earnestly fucked up on the rating or SRS doesn't work. Your choice.

>>17921021
If anything I'd give you that it could be a short term issue. There is nothing though about having multiple cards for multiple readings that inherently makes you remember readings the wrong way that doesn't also apply to one reading cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921067
>Which means you should already know it to some degree?
>>17921021
>people will forget mature cards all the time.

You can't reply to one argument with something that violates points you accepted from the other. Dumbass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921073
>You can't reply to one argument with something that violates points you accepted from the other.
How did I do that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921082
You were told that people forget mature cards all the time. You did not reject this. It's also a fact. By not rejecting a fact you are accepting it. Even though you said in the same post that you're not supposed to forget mature cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921092
in fact, your real mature retention is typically worse than your real young retention until you get into the 100+ days range of mature cards
>>/jp/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=mature+retention

[Anonymous No.]

まじ卍

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah I don't think I can argue with someone that refuses to accept reality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921092
>You were told that people forget mature cards all the time.
>You did not reject this.
>though you said in the same post that you're not supposed to forget mature cards
Really making me think here. I'll give you my argument again, maybe you can now reply to it.

Assuming that is true, how does this apply to two-reading cards in a way it does not to one-reading cards?
If you misremember a one-reading card and it will only appear in 6 months, it is the exact same thing isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

Is it acceptable to use 人 for describing multiple people, like "優しい人" for instance, or do you need to go with 人々 or 人たち?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921116
Recalling facts without verifying them damages them. This is memory 101 and the reason that spaced repetition is designed to "start over" if you fail a card.

When you recall mature alternative readings for new cards with "newer" or "harder" readings, you are damaging your memory of the reading you already learned, because you're recalling it without verifying it.

It's not hard to understand. You just refuse to accept that it's a problem.

[Anonymous No.]

whats your daily routine lads?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921122
The main purpose of adjectives is to "narrow down" the acceptability for what you're talking about, so it would probably come off as referring to certain people that can be identified by being 優しい, not all the people that are 優しい in general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921123
So basically what you are saying is, reading without looking up every word damages the words you are reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921138
No, that's retarded. Using knowledge is very different from intentionally recalling it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921140
Recognition SRS is the same thing as reading. If you are saying recalling something and not being able to verify it is bad for the way you are remembering it, then so is reading without looking things up. It is retarded, but that is what you are saying and it is making no sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921132
>30 minutes anki
>4 hours of "i should do some reading"
>masturbate
>4 hours of "i really should read something"
>jerk off
>sleep

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921146
>Recognition SRS is the same thing as reading.
Stopped reading there. You have no argument. Have fun not learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921147
hi there me

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921135
My intent was to call a certain group of people in a certain place, in the vein of "かれらは優しい人です".

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921132
Wake up.
Do reviews.
Read some JP crap.
Play some JP games.
Work.
Read in known languages (since it's not tiring).
Review forgotten cards from past 2-4 days.
Sleep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921154
When you say "the drunk people", you're referring to a particular group of people, who happens to be identifiable by being drunk. Drunk people in general is an alternative secondary meaning distinguished by context. The same is true in Japanese with adjectives in general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921148
I wonder if you've taken that literally. I wonder if I need to state it explicitly. Anyone would take issue with the statement "Recognition SRS is the same thing as reading." torn of all context. What were we talking about again? Did you forget?
It you are actually that daft then there really is nothing more to tell you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17920820
>tfw above average Japanese student level but still inferior to superior /djt/ level

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921163
Anyone stupid enough to say that flashcards and reading are in any way equivalent is not worth arguing with, no matter what they think such a statement is supposed to convey.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921163
I don't know about you but that statement is pretty obviously impossible to mean anything other than what it's suppose to mean
recognition when reading and recognition when memorizing things are fundamentally impossible to compare

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921132
Wake up
Post on djt
See frogposter
Call him a faggot and tell him to kill himself
Report his post and let out a sigh as I wonder why this board attracts so many retards
Go kill myself

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921161
What I'm asking is whether 人 is acceptable here, or if it'll look like a misplaced singular, like "they are nice person" would in English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921184
Number is a contextual thing in Japanese, unless it's:
- a name
- a pronoun with a number suffix attached (たち, ら)
- modified by a counter
The only difference in interpretation you can have in your example is whether it's ALL people identified by the adjective, or a certain person or group of people that coincidentally happen to be referred to with the adjective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921166
>>17921168
Alright buddy. Listen up. I can tell you are suffering from some kind of severe retardation so I'll play your stupid ass semantics game.
Assuming when you are reading, one part (!) of reading is recalling the individual words you are reading, their reading and meaning correct?
Or are you saying you are not recalling words, meaning and reading when you are reading? Are you saying there is no connection whatsoever between vocabulary reviews and reading?
Obviously not, you just want to play word games and forget the context so you can comfortably abandon the argument.
Now let's examine the connection between those two things. When you are engaging in the activity of vocabulary reviews you ALSO recall a word's meaning and reading. Now that we have established how those two activities relate to each other we can return to the original argument and I can tell you what the issue with what you said is.
That being, wrongly recalling a word will reinforce the bad reading. That's what you said correct? Now what do you do when you read? Do you recall words when you read? Yes/No?
Now I'll post again what I originally said, maybe it makes more sense to you now.

So basically what you are saying is, reading without looking up every word damages the words you are reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921195
All right, I'll go with it then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921201
Too long, didn't read. Consider learning enough Japanese to be able to express truths about learning in fewer words.

[Anonymous No.]

Isn't recognition SRS reading if you have a selection of randomly selected sentences on the card front?

[Anonymous No.]

do your reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921211
Spaced reading is for learning, not memorization.

[Anonymous No.]

Guys, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna learn Japanese.

How hard is it for a deaf person to learn it?

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw you will never be this dead set on having the last word and being correct
These boys are in a proper huff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921179
why tho
its just a frog

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921221
You should probably learn how to hear first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921208
All clear. When I say it in a way a normal person should understand it, making the connections is just too demanding for your pea brain.
When I explain it in a way an utter retard should be able to understand, you piss yourself because there are too many letters on the screen.
Suppose there is no way to talk to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921216
it never stops bleeding

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921220
I have no idea what this means. Or why I would want to memorize a word when I could learn it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921237
get do it anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921235
There are no connections to be made with the information you gave in the "normal" way. Making those connections requires one to ignore what people actually experience if they do things your way. You could come up with a way to make multiple cards with the same front work, like listing alternative readings/definitions but hiding them, which would fix all the problems I've given that people experience with your method, but you don't. You insist on having exactly one reading/definition set per a card.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921216
>tfw didn't do reps yesterday

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921132
>Wake up
>Dont want to go out of bed, dont want to do >Anki either
>Get up after a couple hours
>Be with father for a couple hours
>Meh, university stuff is probably more important than Japanese, solve 1 or 2 exercises of the weekly ones.
>Procrastinate some more
>Realize day is almost over, do reps
>Day is over so I cant read


Not even able to watch anime anymore, goddamn did I become lazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921132
>Wake up
>Work
>Anki
>Textbook (I know..)
>Review Tae Kim
>Slog through throwaway VN
>Sleep

On weekdays I only have about four hours of free time, but all of it is generally devoted to doing Japanese in some way. I do Anki daily, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921247
>There are no connections to be made with the information you gave in the "normal" way.
Seems you are talking about something completely different again so I'll summarize to you what just happened.
These guys said having one reading per card, will result in your recalling the wrong reading thereby reinforcing the wrong reading if you do not have it on the back.
The first thing I said is that this argument can be applied to ALL cards. Then I said this can also be applied to activity of reading, as when you are reading you are probably not looking up every single word, thereby risking reinforcing bad readings. Assuming their argument makes sense, then it makes sense as an argument against reading and against absolute all Anki cards. In the first place it is not a realistic scenario that someone recalls a bad reading that he wasn't tested on and accepts the wrongly recalled reading as the one true reading without any feedback. And ASSUMING someone actually did that, it's only a short term issue as he will either hear the word through audio and see it again in SRS.

>You insist on having exactly one reading/definition set per a card.
No, I said it's a matter of preference.

>like listing alternative readings/definitions but hiding them
That also works, that's a new point you are mentioning and not one I said was wrong. You are the one who insisted on one card with multiple readings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921274
>That also works, that's a new point you are mentioning and not one I said was wrong.
Good, I'm glad we could at least come to this point.

>You are the one who insisted on one card with multiple readings.
I insisted that doing things exactly the way you described was stupid. That doesn't mean the "normal" method I described was the only possible alternative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921269
same

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921274
You're arguing about things that aren't even on the table. That's why he's ignoring most of your posts. Not because he's cherrypicking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921132
>wake up
>play mobage in bed while watching youtube or anime for a few hours
>play something on PC for a few hours
>get some food and watch more youtube or anime
>play mobage again while watching anime
>sleep
4chan sprinkled in at random points during the day

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921287
It's called deductive reasoning. If he considers what I said not on the table then he acknowledges the invalidity of his own argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921297
It's not deductive reasoning, it's moving the goalposts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921298
Not really.

[Anonymous No.]

Literally every day the same fag is here for hours waging autistic battles over nothing to avoid reading. Don't be like him and you'll do well.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys, I'm at a bit of an impasse here. I recently started my very own mining deck with anki, and I noticed that some words are written the exact same way but have different pronunciations and meanings. Should I make them two different cards? Or should I put both definitions on the same card? Because if they're separate cards I might recall a correct reading that doesn't match the card, but if they're on the same card then it might be inefficient, since that's after all a lot of info to recall all on the spot and I'm not sure if srs works well with that.

Please help me on this! Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921304
Deductive reasoning is using outside points to make an argument about something that's on the table. Making an argument about something irrelevant is moving the goalposts unless you prove that the point you're trying to make would be relevant to something on the table before you make the argument for why that point is true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921310
Put the sentence you found the word in on the front.

If you find another meaning, put that sentence on the front of another card.

This isn't rocket science.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921132
Weekday:
>wake up
>go to work
>come back
>do Anki
>read if I have time (I usually don't)
>go to sleep

Weekend:
>wake up
>go to uni if I have lectures
>if I don't, do some useless shit, play touhou or whatever
>do Anki
>read if I have time (I usually don't)
>go to sleep

Insert "browse 4chan"/"watch anime" in between any of the steps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921333
Don't make cards with sentences on the front. It makes Anki less effective.

>>17921310
Merge the different readings or definitions into the same card.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921322
Deductive reasoning is using premises we accept to be true to make conclusions that have to be true as a result of those premises.

>Making an argument about something irrelevant
How did I do that? Care to elaborate?
I merely used a logical argument to show how nonsensical his argument was, ad absurdum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921335
Lectures on weekends?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921132
>wake up
>check e-mail for 期間限定０円 manga
>watch anime/dorama raws the whole day, with an episode of seinfeld in between
>should really read but listening is so much less strain
>do anki
>weep and repeat

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921341
>Don't make cards with sentences on the front. It makes Anki less effective.
No, it doesn't. You're never going to see a word without context when reading. Cards without context are making things more difficult than they need to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921347
You actually didn't. You might think you did, but you insisted on refusing to accept facts that disprove the premises of various arguments you made. The fact that it's normal to forget mature cards disproves any argument against the problem of reinforcing incorrect readings for related cards, and making arguments about other things that seem like they should reinforce incorrect readings is whataboutism, fallacious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921357
>No, it doesn't.
Yes, it does.

>You're never going to see a word without context when reading.
You're going to see it in different contexts, not the single context of the one sentence you mined it with.

>Cards without context are making things more difficult than they need to be.
Cards without context make it possible to recall the word no matter what the context is. Cards with a single specific sentence on the front make it so that you can recall the word according to that context specifically, and make it possible to avoid actually learning the word at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921154
>かれらは優しい人です
why not かれらは優しいです

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921361
>The fact that it's normal to forget mature cards disproves any argument against the problem of reinforcing incorrect readings for related cards
No it doesn't. Those things are completely unrelated.

>about other things that seem like they should reinforce incorrect readings
How do they "seem" like they reinforce incorrect readings? It should be obvious that I don't think they do in the same way I don't think related cards reinforce bad readings. But if we actually break down your argument, that related cards somehow reinforce bad readings, that can be applied to single cards and reading just the same. There is no "whataboutism" here, you just refuse to accept the connection because it renders your argument invalid.
Why don't you actually think about what you are saying man?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921395
>No it doesn't. Those things are completely unrelated.
They are directly related. It's normal to forget mature cards. If you forget mature cards, then the problem of reinforcing incorrect information on mature cards when you intentionally recall it will always remain, as long as you do not check that information. If you do not have a way to check alternative readings on your card, and you have trained yourself to recall those readings while doing flashcards, you will eventually get some of them wrong because you're not checking them. Period. The only argument against this is that you shouldn't get cards wrong if they're spaced out enough that you won't see them for a while, which is where this is a problem. But when you look at the evidence, people forget mature cards all the time. It's not hard.

>How do they "seem" like they reinforce incorrect readings? It should be obvious that I don't think they do in the same way I don't think related cards reinforce bad readings.
The argument you made on this topic was that them reinforcing incorrect knowledge (such as readings) was similar and should be considered.

>Assuming that is true, how does this apply to two-reading cards in a way it does not to one-reading cards?
>If you misremember a one-reading card and it will only appear in 6 months, it is the exact same thing isn't it?

You reap what you sow, dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921366
>You're going to see it in different contexts, not the single context of the one sentence you mined it with.
Are the contexts different enough that a different meaning and reading are used? Make a new card. If not, you'll be fine.

Trying to learn multiple meanings and readings with a single contextless card will lead to confusion when you don't know which to use where. They're separate words. Treat them that way.

[Anonymous No.]

So I started ankidroning a week ago but only yesterday did I really finish reviewing the 20 cards. Is it possible to keep doing new words on the same day without creating a custom deck? Would it be a mistake to bump up the card limit from 20 to 30? Should I just start reading Tae Kim instead for a few hours? Anki grinding was pretty fun yesterday and I feel bad because I left the deck open for a week on my laptop and now my stats are fuddled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921432
The problem with sentence cards is that you can recall the word based on recognizing the sentence instead of recognizing the word. That's the way in which the unnecessary context is bad for you. If you had randomly selected sentence on the front (from a large pool of possibilities, more than 10) it wouldn't be a problem, but that's not what you recommended, and shared decks like that don't exist.

[Anonymous No.]

who /wanikani/

who /jlpt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921411
>when you intentionally recall it will always remain
Like when you are reading.
>If you do not have a way to check alternative readings on your card
You do. Also plural.
>you have trained yourself to recall those readings while doing flashcards
The correct ones?
>you will eventually get some of them wrong because you're not checking them
And that applies to all cards.

>people forget mature cards all the time
You are basically arguing this point exclusively which I am not disagreeing with. When you try to forcibly extend it to related cards with multiple readings is when your argument crumbles.

The second part does not contribute to your argument in any way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921448
>Like when you are reading.
Whataboutism. Also, reading is passive recognition, not intentional recall.
>You do. Also plural.
You didn't when you made the argument at hand.
>The correct ones?
Ones you put into Anki instead of not mining, dumbass.
>And that applies to all cards.
It doesn't, because with normal cards, you check what you're training. You literally can't even keep the actual fundamental thing at the core of this argument straight in your head. What the fuck is wrong with you?

>The second part does not contribute to your argument in any way.

>Make argument X
>You can't make argument X
>Yeah I can
>You can't, it's proven wrong and the parts that are right aren't related
>No I didn't mean X
Sorry, no. I know you're offended but I can't do this anymore. Go ahead and call this misrepresenting your argument, but you really need to think more about what you say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921440
I did wanikani. It wasn't perfect, but also wasn't that great.
Don't know if they changed stuff, maybe it's better now.

Don't really care about jlpt, might take it one day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921448
It's time to stop posting.

[Anonymous No.]

Not every defense that comes to mind is valid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921436
You never finish reviewing the cards you initially added, they just get spaced out more and more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921436
Personally when getting started I think it is best to add new cards at a rate where your reviews stay below 50 so you don't get burnt out. I have new cards set to 0 and add 5-15 cards a day depending on how quickly I get through my review. The more new cards you add a day the more reviews you get obviously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921460
>Whataboutism
No it's not. Nice word though.
>reading is passive recognition, not intentional recall
So you do not recall readings when you reading? Yes or no?
>You didn't when you made the argument at hand.
Yes I did.
>Ones you put into Anki instead of not mining, dumbass.
Why wouldn't I mine all of them? Especially if all of them are relevant to me?
>It doesn't, because with normal cards, you check what you're training. You literally can't even keep the actual fundamental thing at the core of this argument straight in your head. What the fuck is wrong with you?
It is you who is arguing some unrelated point. If you have two cards, both of them train one thing, how does one cards cause the other card to be trained incorrectly? That is what you are arguing for and that makes no sense.

Nice story /v/, but all you did was post two rhetorical questions I put up earlier. Why don't you actually explain how they contribute to your argument in any way. I assure you they quite don't. Go ahead and quit you never made any sense to begin with loser.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921440
I did Wanikani, glad I am no longer doing it.
The Kanji, Vocabulary part is fine, but adding another layer in form of radicals is fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is itとんかつ and not ぶたかつ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921440
I love wanikani.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921511
Chinese-derived reading. Like "pork" or "ham" instead of "pig".

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921483
This, but you are essentially done anyways because if it goes up to a year, you might as well never see the card again. I think I have some set for like 2019 somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921483
>>17921490
Alright I'll just keep it at 20 and eagerly await each new day to review new cards. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921516
はーはやい！

Thanks for the answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921524
If you've got a gift for memory, you can just ignore /djt/ and do 100 new cards a day. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921548
what if i have a memory of a fish?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17919174
Does Chrono have kanji? I've heard that a lot of older Japan games are in all kana and it makes it fucking atrocious to try to read

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921571
Yeah it has kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921440
>who /jlpt/
I'm gonna fail

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921584
You won't if you try to spend your time studying instead of shitposting on 4chan

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921590
If it was that easy to not shitpost, 4chan wouldn't have nearly as many users.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921440
Is anyone here even at N1?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921590
You're right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921548
Nope, I'm probably below average at best (though this might be my lack of self confidence talking) so I'll just stick with the default 20 cards a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921611
I probably can barely pass N1 but I'm gonna take N3 just to test the waters and give me some more time to study. I'm sure that I can pass the grammar part but I'm not sure about listening and reading.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it possible to use an incomplete listing particle like とか with only one item to get a meaning close to, "x and other things like it"?

eg.
写真とか要する
I need photographs, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921633
>"x and other things like it"?
This is what とか does

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921575
Nice, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Anki really a lifelong commitment?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921678
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921678
Definitely not. You wont have to use it after 2 or 3 years at most if you use the language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921633
what about など

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921697
You won't have to but you still will.

Whenever I see a rare kanji I still add that shit.
Only get around 20 reps a day though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921678
your goal should be to shitpost on 2chan without them calling you a white devil

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921611
I'm not but I don't really know what I'd do with it anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>it's spelled ピゼ、not ピッゼ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921776
You mean ピザ

[Anonymous No.]

I'm proud of myself /jp/, I'm the guy who accidentally had the day roll over on him yesterday so all those reps got added to my reps today but I still did them all in one sitting.
I've noticed that doing all of them in one sitting actually helps a lot. I have ADD so I can't focus as well but if I do them all in one big sitting about midway through I can get into it and my performance goes up a lot. Downside to this is that I can't do anki during my commute anymore, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921678
After new cards have stopped being added and the daily reviews are all mature cards and those failed mature cards from earlier, most of what is being reviewed in Anki starts stretching out into the year＋ timeframe between reviews.
With vocab cards after a few years it isn't unreasonable to have 10k and upwards mature cards with more than four years before the next review is due, for example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921805
おつかれ！

[Anonymous No.]

I stopped doing core6k 2 months ago after about 3500 cards seen. Should I just drop it and do a mining deck if I want to get back into anki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921805
Use the commute to do special studies, especially reviewing forgotten cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921838
That depends on how much you hated core.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm in the middle of the N3 vocabulary part of core 2k and a good amount of new words are relatively abstract and written using 2 new Kanji. It's getting pretty hard to recognize meanings and pronunciations just by looking at the Kanji.

Should I suspend some of them, get a separate Kanji/radicals deck, or give up on core and start reading and mining?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921440
I got to level 10 2 years ago and gave up. I'm doing it again (on level 2) and I'm surprised I still remember most of everything. The radicals are fucking me up though, because of RTK. Hopefully I stick with it this time and finish it in a year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921853
I'm an absolute beginner, but Core2K hasn't been that helpful to me. I don't feel like a lot of the kanji are very useful. Contemplating giving up on it too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921853
>middle of the N3 vocabulary part of core 2k
W-what? Does it actually go in order? I never noticed. Isn't that only at like 500 cards though? N5 and N4 aren't that big.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921859

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921697
>tfw no use of the language outside of shitposting on /djt/
What's a fun place to use Japanese anyways

[Anonymous No.]

I don't have access to my computer all the time and I don't have a phone. Would copying the core2k in a notebook and using that instead be a decent alternative?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921888
It goes somewhat in order, but not very strictly. I'm a bit over 1300 cards in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921923
5ch

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921929
Buy a tablet, they're very cheap these days and more than worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921929
I just copy my anki folder to a usb drive and migrate from laptop to desktop whenever I have to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921944
I'm too stupid to understand how threads on this site work, while futuba is easy to use

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921947
>>17921950
I actually can't have any electronic device on me for weeks because of my work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921929
>>17921954
Buy dead tree books, like some reading material at your level, a dictionary, and the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar. You may also want to consider self-studying through a textbook.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921979
Yeah, I was already planning on buying some books but is there a replacement for core2k? Or should I just not do it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921929
>>17921954
You mean copying Core into a physical notebook? That'll work. You can use the Leitner system to get some simple spaced repetition going that doesn't require any electronics.

You'll probably be better off making your own flashcards though. Core's main strength is that it's convenient, and you'd be losing that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921678
No of course not. Half the people ITT probably aren't even native English speakers, and they don't use English flash cards daily, either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921990
If you have a printer then you could print the first 2000 of this: https://core6000.neocities.org/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922027
If I had to learn English from zero starting right now, I would use Anki to help do that. You would too. There's no shortage of things you're going to need to remember even outside learning languages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922032
Didn't know that existed.
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921929
Are we serious? Like serious serious? Because this shit is called flashcards. It's too old of a concept for the modern age now, I guess. It used to be done with paper and you know it has two sides.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922054
I guess I din't say my questions properly. I wanted to know if it was worth it to copy by hand in a notebook.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922054
Not normal paper. We used special paper called "index cards" made out of card stock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921990
Make a 単語帳 like nips do with english words.

It's basically anki but you can't track the intervals.
You could get a couple little boxes for that and move the cards up when you get them right and down when you get them wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922067
Yeah, it's actually a method somewhere. One of the Japanese learning blogs did it. You essentially have to fold the paper to cover up the meanings and have the kanji on the left side.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17920756
Not a problem with Yomichan since you can specifically choose which reading you want on the card. If you click the + button next to entry for 開ける with the はだける reading, you will get word/reading on your card.

I don't think it's a good idea to have words with ambiguous readings like that on your cards in the first place though. If you have cards for はだける, あける and ひらける in your deck, and you have them all written in kanji as 開ける, how are you supposed to know which word you're dealing with when it comes up in your reviews?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921954
Are you an Amish carpenter?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17919942
>argument is literally yolo
流石バーガーくん

[Anonymous No.]

Why is milk so unpopular in Japan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922140
Widespread lactose intolerance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922140
Like, regular milk? Because Yokult is a popular brand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922140
It is? What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922001
Write the flashcards yourself and you get the added benefit of learning through writing as well, if you're a type R

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922140
Japanese people are too smart to drink liquid pus, fat and cancer

[Anonymous No.]

>rikai sama no longer works on firefox
how do i mine words now

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922175
yomichan is clunkier but it does the same thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922175
Manually or make your own rikai. Alternatively, yomichan.

[Anonymous No.]

For sample sentences, what's the solution supposed to be? Just the word being used, the full sentence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922142
this is right
lactase persistence is present in white european descendants.
the moment it hit a native guts, and then just passes straight into their GI tract without lactase, the enzymes there rip it to shreds messily
the resulting 'uneaten' bits build up, form a gradient attracting water into the GI, entering full 下痢 mode to get it out

shitting water for a few days does not endear them to dairy products

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922140
You trying to tell me drinking anything but human breast milk is normal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922230
iirc babies can drink breastmilk but after that people might become lactose intolerant if they don't drink milk again for the rest of their life

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922255
iirc depends on your genes if your body shuts down being able to digest milk.
Doesn't matter if you continue drinking milk or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922264
No, anyone can become lactose intolerant if they don't consume dairy for a long time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922270
>It can sometimes feel as though the avoidance of dairy renders you less able to digest it when you do try to consume it again. Generally, however, humans don't produce digestive enzymes in response to need -- you don't stop producing lactase simply because you've stopped drinking milk. It's much more likely that any symptoms experienced when adding dairy back into your diet after a long period of abstinence are simply the effects of aging that lessen lactase production.

Generally, with age everyone becomes a little more lactose intolerant. It's just nature's way of telling us to grow up and graduate moms tits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922140
>Percentage of adults that can digest lactose in the indigenous population of the Old World

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922270
Damn, how long is a long time
>tfw haven't drank milk for a few weeks

[Anonymous No.]

もっとましなフォローないの？
"even better + follow + not"
Isn't that harder to follow?

ね？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922140
>>17922306
>Percentage of adults with a known lactase persistence genotype in the indigenous population of the Old World

[Anonymous No.]

How to rikaichan on quantum? Is there an alternative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922311
What context

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922308
On the order of years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922175
>>17920171

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922314
Sorry friendo.
I'm afraid your only alternative is to learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922140
I'm more interested to know why it IS so popular. It seems to be a common meme there that girls need to drink milk to grow their oppai. They also do this in places like China, gov funded. Do they put lactase in their milk?

[Anonymous No.]

if you're looking for a way to track your time spent reading VNs, i've been using this for a bit
http://strlen.com/procrastitracker/
its lightweight and free

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922323
I'm thinking the idea is that if his eyesight is bad her drawing will be even harder to follow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922342
Probably because of a milk company sponsoring a show and creating this meme.

I don't think people take it seriously though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922357
The red pill is too much for me. Next you'll be telling me they don't really eat at McDonalds often either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922342
"milk makes you grow" is pretty much an international meme. So when you need some food that causes growth, milk is pretty much the first thing you think about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922352
"Don't you have a better follow up than that?"
"That's the most encouraging remark you could think of?"

Something like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922352
もっとましなフォロー（が）ないの？
Isn't there a better follow-up?

I think she's talking about the guy's quote

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922333
lol point taken friend, first day and just following the neocites guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922311
>>17922352
もっと (more) ましな (suitable) フォロー (follow) [が] ない (do not have) の？
Don't you have a better follow-up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922368
>>17922370
>>17922373
オーッ

フォローアップ

ありがとうございますお兄

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922364
It's the same with hollywood movies and alcohol.

They always pour themselves a glass of whiskey alone at home.
Who in their right mind drinks alcohol alone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922391
Plenty of people drink beer alone

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922391
You'll never become a proper alcoholic if you only drink with friends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922391
>>17922396
>>17922409
What's so good about alcohol anyway? It tastes terrible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922423
By itself it's garbage but I use it for cooking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922423
It's an acquired taste. Even then, the only beer I like is stouts

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922423
Different people like different things. You know, people who do not like anime exist as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922444
Crawling out of my cave to say I don't like anime.

[Anonymous No.]

fucking lol'd

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922444
>>17922449
I don't really watch anime very often but I never understood this train of thought. How is it possible to not like anime when there's thousands of shows? It's like saying you don't like movies or books.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922466
Because people just like to generalize.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922466
Cave guy here. It's just easier to say I don't like anime to people and not have the stigma.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922466
I don't like movies as a medium. They're too short. It's the same reason I don't like short stories.

I know I'll find examples I like if I bother to look, but I'm not going to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922423
normalfags drink ethanol for the 'social lubricant' effects
in reality its just an incredibly fast acting anti-depressant and inhibitor, so they can stand being around one another
they are willingly to ingest something that most definitely leads to vomiting, then in the next breath talk about eating healthy and avoiding GMO they don't understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922485
There are 5+ hour movies

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922466
>It's like saying you don't like movies
My brother doesn't like movies, says he's bored by them since everything is so drawn out and people talk slow. Think the last time he saw one was over 10 years ago.
Same reason he prefers one piece manga over anime.

But then he can watch hours of videos of some guy on youtube talking about babylonian number systems or streams of zelda games. Makes no sense to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922512
I think your brother is autistic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922466
I don't like movies, they're usually too short and don't explore enough things. If you look at my anime list the movies are more or less concentrated at the bottom and even the movies I do like like Akira and some Ghibli movies are 7-8/10 at most for me and mostly score points on visuals and not on story. The few movies that I do really like are linked to bigger stories (Disappearance, K-On movie)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922527
Have you ever thought about watching original movies that aren't anime or book adaptations

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922532
Yes but I don't like them either, hence why I don't watch them much if at all. I only still watch anime movies with friends from time to time.

It's not like I think that all movies are terrible it's just that even the best movies usually make me go "it's a shame that they didn't explore this or that concept further" or "I wish I'd had some more time to get invested in the characters"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922527
>K-On movie
this was a mild disappointment to me because it felt too short

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922513
Aren't we all a little?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922543
Really? It's almost 2 hours, so it's not a short movie. I never really felt it was too short either and I usually do find movies to be too short.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922552
I don't watch movies, TV, nor anime all that often. I don't have enough comfy in my life

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922565
I feel you, I used to watch a lot of anime but now I barely do. I have trouble focussing and it's not as new and exciting to me anymore as it once was so I get distracted midway very often.

Reading VNs helps because VNs are fucking long so you can do >10 hour sessions if you have the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922575
I just don't enjoy things like I used to anymore.
Like I would try and watch a movie, like a comedy, and it would be funny for the first 10 minutes and I just lose interest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922598
Once you've seen a couple movies they're mostly the same.

Even those with fresh ideas quickly come down to old tropes. Unless you really get into an actor/actress or character it's not interesting for your brain.

[Anonymous No.]

I just started and am going through the Core2K along with Tae Kim and Sakubi. I'm not finished with either yet, but I wanted to know if anyone has any suggestions as to what I can read for practice before I finish them. I'm talking really basic, 元気です level stuff.

Any other advice would also be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922718
Read Astelight!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922723
Seems basic enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916929
Ah fuck, I give up with this. Gonna find something else.

The story is really slow to get going. Pair that with the painfully slow speed that I'm able to read through this, and it's really not a fun experience.

I read a line once, really slowly because it usually has like 5 words I don't know in it, and either only just vaguely make some sense of it or don't understand it at all. Read it a second time, slightly quicker, and manage to get a bit better grasp of what's being said, but still don't really get it. Third pass, I usually manage to sort of get what's being said, but it's still fuzzy and I'm not confident that I'm even interpreting it correctly. I don't think this is very productive. I doubt I'm actually learning very much like this.

Are any of the following too good to waste as early reads?
Twinkle Crusaders
Cafe Sourire
Princess Frontier
Fortune Arterial
Clover Point
Yoake Mae yori Ruri Iro na
Sora o Tobu, 3tsu no Houhou
Parfait ~Chocolat Second Brew~

I pulled them from the http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats page with the criteria that they were harder than Flyable Heart according to their modified hayashi 2 stats, but with scores above 95, had a rating higher than 7 on VNDB with at least 20 votes, and either had an 800x600 resolution or were released before 2010 so that they'll hopefully run on my VM. Hoping there's something decent among them that a bit more on my level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922756
Twinkle Crusaders is a bad waste, it has brilliant character writing. Try it as your second or third "intermediate" VN. Don't have comments on the others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922756
Also the Hayashi scores are estimates of structural/grammatical complexity. If your main problem with Kira Kira is vocab you'll want something with a low coverage requirement instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922766
Both are a problem, but I do feel like the massive amount of unknown vocab is really hurting my ability to get through it.

What would be the best metric to sort the list by in that case? Core6k? Or maybe lexemes (not sure about this one since it seems like it could be skewed heavily by the length of the VN in question)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922782
Probably the 90% and 95% coverage target columns. They list the number of words you would need from a frequency list made from the list of VNs to reach that coverage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922756
How can you ever be sure you're interpreting the readings correctly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922786
>flyable heart
>5824.33 (95%)

>hanahira
>9089.10 (95%)

Wait, what?


>>17922799
The readings of what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922808
Of you know, the reading... you know reading Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922808
>>flyable heart
>>5824.33 (95%)
>
>>hanahira
>>9089.10 (95%)
>
>Wait, what?
Yeah. Hanahira being easy is a meme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922760
When are you considered "intermediate"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922826
Intermediate is wherever you are right now as long as you know enough to be able to read the sentence 僕はゲイなのだから.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922830
I don't understand what the nano is doing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922841
の＋だ explanatory tone
な＋のだ for nouns
なのだ＋から explanation as a reason instead of an effect

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922830
男の娘は良いです

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922845
I am now realizing that だから is だ＋から and not a single word like I've been thinking of it as forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922864
Feels good, huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922817
You mean how can I ever be sure that I'm understanding anything I read correctly?

Well, I guess I can't be, but when I was reading Flyable Heart I was able to feel much more confident that I was. When you're actually understanding things, it's more of an intuitive process where you don't really have to think about it. Towards the end of Flyable Heart, I was quite often able to get this intuitive grasp of sentences, especially when I was familiar with the vocabulary being used. With Kira Kira though, I'm having to think about every single line almost. And even after thinking about the lines, it often feels like my grasp of what's actually being said is incomplete/vague (like, even if the context suggests that my interpretation is indeed correct, I still don't get that sense of the line just intuitively making sense most of the time).

>>17922818
I dunno. I tried reading it a while back during a point where I was kind of fed up with Flyable Heart and wanted a break from it, and I don't remember struggling with a single line. I dropped it anyway though because it was boring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922877
To summarise, if you're having to think about a line and deduce its meaning through reasoning, etc. then you aren't actually understanding it... I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922867
Learning something new always feels good.
Like how I learned I was adopted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922886
Nah. When I was a kid I remember having to think through lines too. It'll become intuitive with lots and lots of practice.

>>17922925
My parents have a number of hereditary diseases and problems. I fucking wish I was adopted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922930
夜雪が降るかもしれない

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922808
>>17922818
Just spotted another weird one:
Axanael = 12880.85

何 the 地獄? Doesn't everyone say this is one of the easiest VNs out there? It actually beats Dies Irae in terms of this stat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922948
Axanael is one of the easiest VNs on the planet to read with a texthooker because of its extreme shortness and how incredibly simple each individual sentence is. Check its Modified Hayashi 2.

[Anonymous No.]

>上
>下

Name 1 (one) kanji more annoying and cancerous than these two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922963
誰

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922963
君

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922963
入

[Anonymous No.]

im thinking of learning the base 2200 kanji first before starting anything. I would assume it would assist in word recognition and the likes when doing vocab and reading later, is it worth the extra time to do alone or should i just do vocab,RTK or an equivalent and read at the same time ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922998
You should do vocab and RTK at the same time since RTK already tells you the kanji individually and vocab will as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923007
ever kissed a dogs peepee?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922622
I see you don't watch much arthouse, indie or European cinema. How many Haneke, Herzog, Kaufman, or Kim Ki-duk films have you seen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922756
I read Satsukoi after FH and it was harder but not too hard. I liked FH better, but it was okay. I don't know if it meets your other criteria though.

[Anonymous No.]

This is advice I know the majority of you aren't going to take, but I thought I'd say it anyway.
I've read frequently that listening to music distracts the brain and lowers focus across the board, especially good/energetic/loud music that really captures your attention. Up until this point, I've ignored that and listening to music while reading and doing anki and whatnot. However, yesterday I actually turned off music before starting to read a LN the difference was astounding. I read a whole 300-page LN in a single day, completely absorbed the whole time, and actually started reading the next volume right away - got 150-ish pages into that one. It's not the most I've ever read, but the difference in focus and "immersion" when reading without music as opposed to with music is nothing short of astounding. I really recommend giving studying/reading/etc without music a shot. I understand many DJT goers are hiki neets who have some form of music playing literally every waking moment, so the idea of reading or studying without BGM may sound unthinkably boring if not straight-up impossible, but it was such a big help to me I really suggest just giving it a shot for awhile and seeing how it goes. The difference could end up being a pretty big help. I know I wish I had read LNs without music earlier.

Note: BGM in VNs are usually important for the mood and other things so this isn't me suggesting muting VNs even if it would help focus on reading. I'm mainly talking about LNs, manga, Anki, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923048
>2014
99.9% chance of it not installing on my VM or causing my computer to overheat within minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923054
I agree with this. Some really background-ey stuff that you stop noticing after a while works too if you really must. This is why this is actually not a problem at all with VNs, because after a while the BGM just becomes noise that you only subconciously experience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923054
You only just realized this? the brain only has so many resources to deal with input dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923054
I completely forgot about core20k, what ever happened to it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923054
I wonder if there's any specific kind of music (or even 'sound' which would not be considered by most people as being 'music') which has the reverse effect. Maybe like really repetitive, simple electronic loops.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923058
What kinda computer do you have that it will overheat running a fucking VN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923119
Classical music. This is exactly the sort of bullshit popular science that gets reported on, so you know it's accurate.

I'll be sticking with looping whatever music I feel is appropriate for what I"m reading regardless. Coming up with my own soundtrack is half the fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923121
It's not the VN. I can run them through Wine (when they work) without problems, but ITHVNR doesn't work with Wine so if I want to hook the text I have to run them through a VM, and that eats resources like your waifu eats cocks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923103
It's not worth it so no need to think about it.
>>17923094
My apologies for not having a cosmic brain that comprehends all aspects of life with perfect clarity at all times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923138
Fucking hell is this actually a thing? I'm a Linux user as well. Is this some stupid shit I'm gonna have to deal with later?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923144
If you're on Arch or some other bleeding edge distro, then apparently the version of Wine shipped on those has a fix for the bug that causes ITHVNR not to work.

If you're on one of the "I'm lazy, just give me something I can install with a few clicks" distros like me, then you're probably fucked for the next few years until the repo maintainers for your distro decide that a version of Wine younger than 3 years old is stable enough to ship to their users (the current version in Ubuntu LTS is from January 10, 2014 ｗｗｗｗｗ).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923159
There's no way there isn't an option to download unstable versions somehow. It probably takes less effort than using a VM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923159
Oh no worries then, I use Arch. Memes aside, Arch is in my experience the only distro that actually "just works" for things like these (if you know what you're doing).

Also, >>17923177 is right. You can just find the newer version of wine and compile it.

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>>17923177
Well, you could build from source, and maybe the Wine devs have a PPA for Ubuntu.

I can't really make use of those though since I already installed Wine from Ubuntu's repos. Before installing another version from elsewhere, I would have to manually remove all the Wine-related stuff that got installed on my system already (which is possible but a pain in the ass that I can't be bothered to deal with).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923193
sudo apt remove wine

Or whatever the command is. It's been years since I touched linux.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923227
There are more packages than just Wine itself that get installed when you install the Wine package. I'm pretty sure all those need to go, and I'm too lazy to figure out which ones they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923230
autoremove
done

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923230
maybe it's dumb but i use Aptitude and tell it to remove all dependencies as well, then keep the ones that need to be kept

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923232
I don't trust autoremove not to delete something important by mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922963
以

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>>17923238
I was gonna say that it won't but actually I wouldn't trust apt to not wreck my shit either

[Anonymous No.]

>>17920287
Okaeri. Please pick up your Tae Kim book by the door.

[Anonymous No.]

Learning English words like "moxibustion" thanks to Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923312
Drop that and pick up your Sakubi phamplet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923359
灸を据える technically has that meaning...

[Anonymous No.]

So, if I'm doing 2k/6k vocab and KanjiDamage at the same time, should I have a certain ratio of new cards of one comparative to the other? Or does it not matter if I finish one while only half wat through the other?

I have like two or three hours every day that I'm willing that put into this, if that matters at all.

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>>17923515
Literally just do core and look up kanji/radicals when you don't know them. You don't need a story for every single one unless you're inept, some are really obvious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923515
>2-3 hours of anki
You're going to burn out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923520
My goal isn't just reading, ideally I'd like to be able to write at some point. From what I understand from discussion here, it's important to study kanji individually if you want to be able to write effectively.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923537
>From what I understand from discussion here, it's important to study kanji individually if you want to be able to write effectively.
Bullshit. To learn to write, you need to write.

[Anonymous No.]

毎日日本語の本を読んだほうがいいと思います

[Anonymous No.]

カレーは辛いのなら僕は食べない

お腹が痛い

[Anonymous No.]

文法は勉強しにくいです

諦めた眠いたいよ

おやすみなさい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923577
お前はダメですね。食べないなら、我々によこすのです。もったいないので。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923537
Writing as in composing text or writing them by hand?
If you mean writing them by hand then maybe. As far as I know, few people bother learning how to write kanji since they'll never really have a use for it if they don't plan on living in Japan, and even then they will likely only ever need it for documents and such, since thanks to phones and computers you can easily just write whatever kanji you're looking for in kana then find the kanji you're trying to use. You don't need to learn to physically write them at all to do that.

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>>17922963
癌

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

そろそろにほんのあのんがあつまるじかんだよ

あとばんごはんのじかんだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923643

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923721
ＺＮＺＮＷＫＲＮ

ＧＨＮ！

ＭＨＵ？

[Anonymous No.]

１１４！５１４！

[Anonymous No.]

Ｔ　ＴＢＮＩＤＫＤＳＩ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923717
おれにも晩ご飯を作ってください！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923730
>ＺＮＺＮＷＫＲＮ
皮肉にもこれの意味は分かるけど
>ＧＨＮ！
や
>ＭＨＵ？
って何？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923858
ＺＮＺＮＷＫＲＮとは「ぜんぜんわからん」だよ
残り2つは知らないけど

[Anonymous No.]

あ、GHNは「ごはん」だね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923852
おむすびでいい？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923915
カレーオムレツのほうがいい

[Anonymous No.]

「俺」を使っているやつの周りにいると何だか怖がるよね
だってすげえ男らしいアウラにあふれていてぶつけられちゃう気をもらうじゃないか

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923873
ＴＫＧ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923946
ＫＯってどうやってつくるの？

[Anonymous No.]

ええ加減にせえお前ら
そんな風に省略すんな

[Anonymous No.]

ふざけた真似しやがって
許さんぞ

[Anonymous No.]

>懐古厨
Is this the nip version of nostalgia fag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923730
>>17923858

[Anonymous No.]

>>17923992
でも

ＪＫはつかうでしょ

だぶるすたんだーどめ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924027
省略のやり方に反対だそう
女子高生→jsksi?

[Anonymous No.]

干し肉食べたいな..

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924027
他人は使っても僕が使わへんから二重基準やあらへんで

>>17924039
省略などは嫌や、純粋な日本語より話すのはアカンと思わへんかい？
けど確かに関西弁で話すのもアカンかなにかかも

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924054

そうだなあああ、でも少し高いんだね。それじゃ母が肉を干す時はとても嬉しい

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck off to 5ch, tryhards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922756
Princess Frontier is fine to waste as an early read.

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly, I feel that Anki isn't actually all that effective. The majority of words only seem to stick after I've encountered them in the wild multiple times, no matter how many times I've seen and relearned them in Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924086
Who the hell is tryharding here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924087
me on the right

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924057
純粋なる日本語が話したければ文語を使ふだらう

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924081
にほんで

ほすといえば

にくより

かき

ほしがきおいしいよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924096
そりゃ...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924088
For me anki is super effective for what it's designed to do but I'm starting to question whether it's all that worth it

[Anonymous No.]

How much time does it take for things to start flowing? I've been at it for two months but I still have some problem memorizing things except what's commonly used on anime. And I still take some seconds to process the kana. Maybe I lack on active exercises? All I've been doing is reading and anki

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>>17924096
my god look at all these kanji

DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924180
Whatever you mean by "flowing", if you can understand grammar more complex than 先輩が好き without noticeable delay in a year, consider yourself lucky

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924196
I have no idea what's that supposed to mean.

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>>17924210
>if you can understand any grammar (that is more complex than 先輩が好き) without noticeable delay in a year, consider yourself lucky
Looks like my English grammar is deteriorating because of Japanese study

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>>17924180
Depends entirely on how much you study and what you mean by "flowing."
If by "flowing" you mean you can read intermediate level sentences and material or understand most of a spoken sentence without needing to pause to actively process the things being said, then in my case things started "flowing" for me at roughly the 7 month mark.
And I've not been studying nearly as hard as I wish I would have and still should have, but I'd rather take things slow and steady than burn myself out.

>>17924196
If you've been at it for a year and can only understand basic X is Y sentences then you're doing something horribly wrong or you're not studying nearly as much as you like to think you have.
There's nothing "lucky" about knowing more than that in a year if you're not just being extremely lazy.

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>>17924180

You've only been at it for two months. Give yourself some time for it to sink in. Language learning is mostly a subconscious process.

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>>17924226
Only understand basic sentences without any noticeable delay, that is.
Depends on how not-basic we're talking obviously, but intermediate grammar should only at worst take a little time to process if you've studied for a year.

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>>17924227
>>17924226
Thanks. I tried giving a shot at Reiika something manga because it's been said it's easy for beginners, but I couldn't understand anything. I wonder how many months you need to become a beginner in Japanese. One of my biggest obstacles sure are the goddamn kanji. Just can't remember anything from Core2K, maybe I'll have to start writing them to remember.

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>>17924227

I have 12 months of Anki with 25 cards / day.

Doing such a tiny amount of words / day ensures that you will never learn the language.

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>>17924239

絶対＊霊域？

I wouldn't recommend that as a beginning manga honestly, it doesn't have a lot of context and uses a lot of jokes. よつばと is pretty good, don't listen to the memers who say it has too much slang, every manga has a bunch of slang, the slang in よつばと is mostly just shortening of words like ている -> てる or っておく -> っとく. Don't feel bad if it takes you hours and hours to get through the first several pages and don't be afraid to skip stuff if you really feel like it is beyond your skill level (for example, when the dad meets fuuka, that part happens early on in the chapter but it is probably the hardest section in the first couple of volumes).

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>>17924254
What do you mean? 25 cards per day is around 9k words per year, and 10k to 15k is necessary and enough for fluency

[Anonymous No.]

ほしがきは

dry kakiでつうじる？

[Anonymous No.]

If you have two decks in your Anki (e.g. 10K and a mining deck) and you do a custom study session of forgotten cards, does it pull forgotten cards from both decks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924282
Thanks, anon. I will try reading it later.

[Anonymous No.]

Am I forgetting the basics or can you really make just about any noun into an adverb with -的に?
だったら伝説的に便利じゃないか

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924322
>and 10k to 15k is necessary and enough for fluency
kek no

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924363
How much is it, in your opinion? 25k? 35k?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924322

25 reviews / day

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924345
just like in english

[Anonymous No.]

>past day true retention 92.5%
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924469

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>>17924088
Anki's main benefit is forcing your brain to Notice™ things.

The very act of creating a flashcard out of a word forces your brain to notice it, and every time it comes up in your reviews you're again forced to notice it.

When you're a shitty beginner like me being saturated with hundreds of unknown words every day, you need something like this if you want any of it to actually stick. I finished my first VN without using Anki at all and I picked up very few words. Only those which were used extremely frequently ended up sticking in my memory (I think kanji really doesn't help matters since your brain is having to remember twice as much information as it would in a language written in the Latin script).

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>>17924393
Different anon. You need more than 25K words but that doesn't mean you need 25K Anki cards. A ton of those are obvious compounds or more easily learnt through reading. You should always consider whether a word is unique enough to be worth adding to Anki. By the time you've mined 3.5K kanji naturally (not from a list) you should be good.

[Anonymous No.]

jesus i suck at reading, i read so slow that i forget the words i just read and cant connect them right because of how bad i am at it, so i just have a bunch of words jumbling around in my head without understanding how they connect

[Anonymous No.]

How do you get someone to actually tell you the truth about how bad your Japanese is when you ask them to rate it?
There's absolutely not a chance in hell I'm as "good" as they say and I damn well know it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924612
They probably realize how stupidly complicated their language is (especially in terms of writing) and are impressed by even the most basic capabilities of non-natives.

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>>17924634
As much as I do love the language (and not just in the weeb sense) it is pointlessly convoluted and complicated, so while I'm sure everyone can agree on that, I just want them to honestly tell me what I do right and wrong.
But anyway, it was a serious question. Do I really need to bust out the では、本音をくれませんか？

[Anonymous No.]

Reading 漢文 is the only true way to learn kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924634
I was playing a game yesterday and the answer the game wanted me to give was 気にしないで. I mentally ignored the で (since I thought it was just adding emphasis) and thought it wanted me to tell the character "I don't give a damn", turns out the で completely transforms it into "Don't worry about it". I was bamboozled.

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>>17924700
Exactly. "Why! Japanese people!".

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924700
If you are actually serious you are braindead

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924700
しないで is the negative (i.e. opposite) of して.

して -> do x [light command]
しないで - > don't do x [light command]

気にしない -> i don't care
気にしないで -> don't care [light command] (don't worry about it)

[Anonymous No.]

For some reason I had it in my head that 奴 was a pretty impolite word, but I see it pop up a lot in my reading, and it seems to be used pretty casually, and not toward people who are disliked (ex いい奴). Is it ultimately just a casual word for "person"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924802
You should stop reading shounen and try something else

[Anonymous No.]

That makes sense. Up until this point I thought sentences with しないで at the end were just しないでください minus the ください to not sound as stiff as a normal "please" request.
勉強になりました。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924811
But nothing else is interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924802
>two readings that can mean the same thing
Fuck you too, Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924815
Then you're doomed to talk like a 14 year old for the rest of your life, sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924815
Congratulations. You've learned all the Japanese you need to know. Please accept your certificate of shounen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924818
Stop posting, please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924827
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924835
I said please, faggot. Your posts fucking suck. Don't post here until you've studied at least 3 months of Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

寝ようとしてるんだぞお前たち
静かにしろ

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.strawpoll.me/14443638
http://www.strawpoll.me/14443638
http://www.strawpoll.me/14443638

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924802
It is definitely casual to the point of being impolite in most situations. Fiction text is like that.

>>17924812
That's exactly what they are, in the context of requests.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924811
I've read a few different levels of material, but now that you mention it, yeah I guess it is mostly in that and in VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924850
>already six votes in six minutes

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924850
The /int/ one can either come here or stay gone. I'm not going there.

[Anonymous No.]

Does Anki reset the next day at the time you finished or is there a set time?
Also should i custom study if i'm feeling it?"
2nd day using Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924925
Resets at 4 am on my machine, probably can be changed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924932
can confirm you can change it, read anki tut in op and it tells you how.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17919677
>I personally think it's a great guide to get people started reading asap
As someone who started with Sakubi, it's a double edged sword. The way it's written constantly says over and over "oh don't memorize this just quickly go through this blablabla so you can read, use Section 2 as reference don't outright read it" which, along with the (admitteddly) few content he covers in Section 1 makes for a really weird (and sometimes completely awful when a wall of text is dropped) reading experience. You'll be looking up grammar & expressions 60% of the time when reading if you follow the guide's philosophy, although it slowly drops over time as you get used to it.

After finishing Vol.1 of my first read, i just stopped giving a fuck and quickly gone through Tae Kim with some occasional resorts to DoJG in 3 days and now i don't have to look up as much stuff up as i did. Sakubi's てform explanation is a total mess by the way, although that might be due to my shit English comprehension (i'm not a native) /endrant

On a sidenote, what's some good starters listening material? I tried looking up random vloggers and let's players to see what i'm getting into and they often speak in a very slurred way and not having kanji and particles written to tell stuff apart hurts too.
By the way what does こういう and そういう mean? Seen it used a bit in my reading.

[Anonymous No.]

ちゃんと辞典を使えろ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924956
でも怠惰ですよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924945
I started with Tae Kim and switched to Sakubi and had the same experience. I feel like it's more helpful the second time you read a new beginner's resource because you already know enough to understand most of what it's trying to tell you. You have more of an ability to pick up on the subtle things it's trying to make you understand.

>The main use of the て "particle" is to string statements together in a single sentence.

>物分りがよくて助かる It'd help a lot to have a good understanding.
>彼女の目を見て、僕は告げる。 Looking her in the eyes, I say it.

>In the first example, the statement 物分りがよくて is followed by the statement 助かる. 助かる is not modifying よくて. Instead, the first statement is setting up the context for the second statement.

I wouldn't have understood how this is different from the て form unless I'd already read Tae Kim and done some reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924088
I think that's natural. For me words also only really stick after I've seen them in the wild, but not doing anki makes them not stick at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924945
it's not just you, sakubi sucks
the guy who wrote it should either give it a serious rewriting or stop shilling

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924962
Also, I don't really think Sakubi tells you not to read the second half. It just tells you that you're supposed to start reading before you get into it. Pretty much everything in Part 4 and Part 5 should be considered mandatory reading, and like half the lessons in Part 6 and Part 7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924961
せめてリカイサマかなにかをダウンしろよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924584
What fucking definition of words do you guys use? Those shitty online tests tell me my English vocabulary is about 25k words (not a native speaker) yet I'm obviously fluent in English.

[Anonymous No.]

When do H's become B's and K's become G's? This is all crazy bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924945
You shouldn't really be focusing on listening if you don't even know what こういう and そういう mean yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924999
when it's convenient for pronunciation
but sometimes there's some black magic involved

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924999
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendaku

I still don't really get it. 日々 and shit is all crazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924972
what's wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924993
And considering Japanese uses compound words a lot, even 25k seems like a stretch.
Maybe his definition of fluent is that you're able to read advanced and wordy (for natives, not learners) literature. That is to say, to go beyond what the average native can read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925019

those posts >>17924945 and >>17924962 pretty much already answered it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925000
I just looked it up on jisho, i feel dumb
I was a bit confused when i CTRL+F'd Tae Kim and no expression like that appeared. Same thing with Sakubi, because they both covered という.
I take it they have the same general meaning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925014
This. I remember /djt/ explaining way back on /a/ that it was because the Japanese got lazy at speaking and this shit happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17924999
H's become B's when " is on H starting kana like へ = he, べ = be cause it adds the " same with K and G: き = ki and ぎ = gi.
B's becomes P's with 。 where the " is on b：べ = be, ぺ = pe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925026
Oh, no I'm not going down on Sakubi. I think pretty much anything you pick up will have problems like the second post. Tae Kim's particle explanations are particularly bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925039
I probably should've explained myself more. I didn't mean the explanation of dakutens but rather >>17925016 with rendakus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922140
Fear of contracting the mad cow disease

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925042
>Tae Kim's particle explanations are particularly bad.
how so?

[Anonymous No.]

English speakers complaining about Japanese phonetics might be one of the most ironic and hilarious things ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925059
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/particlesintro

>The first particle we will learn is the topic particle. The topic particle identifies what it is that you’re talking about, essentially the topic of your sentence. Let’s say a person says, “Not student.” This is a perfectly valid sentence in Japanese but it doesn’t tell us much without knowing what the person is talking about. The topic particle will allow us to express what our sentences are about. The topic particle is the character 「は」. Now, while this character is normally pronounced as /ha/, it is pronounced /wa/ only when it is being used as the topic particle.

>Example 1

>ボブ：アリスは学生？
>Bob: Is Alice (you) student?

>アリス：うん、学生。
>Alice: Yeah, (I) am.

>Here, Bob is indicating that his question is about Alice. Notice that once the topic is established, Alice does not have to repeat the topic to answer the question about herself.

>Example 2

>ボブ：ジョンは明日？
>Bob: John is tomorrow?

>アリス：ううん、明日じゃない。
>Alice: No, not tomorrow.

>Since we have no context, we don’t have enough information to make any sense of this conversation. It obviously makes no sense for John to actually be tomorrow. Given a context, as long as the sentence has something to do with John and tomorrow, it can mean anything. For instance, they could be talking about when John is taking an exam.

This is pretty much incomprehensible unless you already know basic Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925059
cant say for sure but dojg was much better for me to use, after taekim i didnt really get anything except a basic idea.

>>17925067
youre right, the real complaints is all the stupid shit that breaks grammar rules but has a meaning that doesnt fit its makeup

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925074
>all the stupid shit that breaks grammar rules but has a meaning that doesnt fit its makeup
I don't know what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925073
Why wouldn't you already know basic Japanese? Who just picks up Japanese for no reason whatsoever?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925082
Despite のに
pretty much every action word at the end of sentences like くる and する

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925073
I see nothing wrong with it 2bh

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925094
So you're just stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925098
explain のに then faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925096

It's laced with nuanced implications about how the topic particle works, but you won't notice them and understand what they're trying to tell you unless you already know what they mean.

>The topic particle will allow us to express what our sentences are about.

The wording in this sentence is very precise and narrows down on what it could do pretty well, but if you take it as a casual statement, it doesn't add anything to what the paragraph has already stated.

>Notice that once the topic is established, Alice does not have to repeat the topic to answer the question about herself.

This is implying that the topic is persistent, but it only directly tells the reader that you don't need to keep repeating the topic, which isn't very useful. The topic being persistent is much more important when you think about how it controls what statements are allowed to mean.

>Since we have no context, we don’t have enough information to make any sense of this conversation. It obviously makes no sense for John to actually be tomorrow.

These two sentences seem sort of contradictory—how do you know that one of the interpretations makes no sense when you can't make any sense out of the sentence at all?—but they actually work together to constrain the way in which the topic works at a semantic level. If you know Japanese, you'll understand that the topic actually is the context, as far as this turn of phrase is concerned. Of course John can't be tomorrow, that means that John is the context, not part of the statement itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925110
explain why half of the conditionals have a bunch of overlapping meanings because they cant decide to stick with one meaning with a bunch of retarded nuances

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925110
I was going to but you called me a faggot so nevermind
If you try studying a few more months maybe you'll get it though. Actually scratch that, a few more years and you'll get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925110
のに even though
の＋に Xの(object)＋に(intent)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925118
explain why most of the shit that's ように（ｘ） doesnt make any sense standalone until youve learned its meaning from a book

[Anonymous No.]

explain why you're so retarded that you can't pick up a basic grammar guide and have to be spoonfed instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925122
あのんさんはへんのに悲しくない

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925141
kill yourself faggot, i know what these mean, what doesnt make sense is that half of them dont make any sense when written literally

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925111
I mean let's be realistic here, you could write half a book just about は
tae kim gives you a basic idea how the particles work and I think he does that pretty well, but the learner obviously has to do some research on his own
you're criticizing stuff that has zero relevance for a beginner

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925150
I can tell for a fact that you've only been studying japanese for a few weeks
But can you please stop spamming the thread with your mental illness? Thanks in advance

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925154
>I mean let's be realistic here, you could write half a book just about <something my favorite grammar guide covers badly>
><my favorite grammar guide> gives you a basic idea how <the generalized version of that thing> work and I think he does that pretty well, but the learner obviously has to do some research on his own
>you're criticizing stuff that has zero relevance for a beginner

[Anonymous No.]

Read just about anything in any language as literally as possible and ask yourself why things don't make any sense.

[Anonymous No.]

精神病

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925156
more like 3 months, yet this stupid shit still doesnt follow any logic most of the time, its memorizing stupid ass grammar phrases

[Anonymous No.]

Why does 二十日 = はつか am i missing something?
Also 八日 = ようか

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925164
congratulations, you've finally started figuring out how grammar works

[Anonymous No.]

>WAAH WAAH japanese is too hard so instead of trying to learn it seriously i'll waste my time shitposting and spreading my autism on DJT!! that'll sure those japanese people for making such an incredibly simple language!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925167
thank you, im so glad you agree that grammar doesnt make sense as i initially said then!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925157
stay salty
beginners don't care about semantic bla bla, they want something to grasp and a foundation they can build on

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925173
no, it makes perfect sense, you just have to learn every case

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925165
20 is a special number.
For ようか it has something to do with 八日 being confusing if you do it the other way, but I forgot the exact reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925174
Thank you for the useless post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925176
yes, you have to learn every case which is usually made up of things that dont make sense until you learn their special meaning when theyre all together

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925181
just the way it is, get fucked

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925183
you have to learn each word too, those aren't made up of special parts
grammar is no different

[Anonymous No.]

Funny how one shitposter can ruin the whole thread
Good thing it's already at bump limit

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925187
at least vocabulary usually has a singular meaning, even then english doesnt have to deal with the kanji meme shit so bullshit like ateji doesnt exist in the language

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925195
Be honest, you're australian aren't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925183
Welcome to thinking in another language. Learn the Sapir Whorf hypothesis. That might help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925198
shitcunt

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925199
>Learn the Sapir Whorf hypothesis. That might help.
Don't, it's pseudoscientific bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925165
はち＋日＝ち→つ＝はつか→八日
二十日＝二十→はたち→はたつか→二十日
はつか～はたつか
だめです

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925093
Is this a real question

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925226
You're supposed to pick it up from watching anime, obviously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925073
>>17925226
of all the things you could critize you choose things tae kim actually does well
it would be another story if you were complaining about his てしまう explanation or his confusing explanation when to use は and が at the beginning of a conversation

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925249
I picked the first thing I remembered struggling to understand what it was actually trying to tell me, dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925254
>implying learning isn't a process of struggling

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925256
Struggling to understand what something is trying to say and struggling to remember something you've already started to understand are very different things.

[Anonymous No.]

im sorry i got mad and retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925073
I think it's very comprehensible, and it also was comprehensible when I first read it not knowing anything about Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925209
why/when does ち become つ?
Also why does anki say ようか if its はつか

[Anonymous No.]

What's going on with 泣かせる and 泣かす?

[Anonymous No.]

My biggest gripe with Tae Kim that caused misconceptions for me for like two years until I learned it properly was this line:

>The 「が」 particle identifies a specific property of something while the 「は」 particle is used only to bring up a new topic of conversation.

You can't really justify this by saying "it's a simplification" because it's not even correct as a summary of は and が. Compare that line with this line from Visualizing Japanese Grammar:

>If you want to introduce a new passage as when you want to talk about an unrelated subject or a different location, you do NOT use the particle wa

I literally says the opposite of Tae Kim. And Tae Kim is the one who is wrong. は has nothing to do with bringing up new topics of conversation, in essence it's used to cohere your sentences by referencing already established elements of the conversation.

And also there is nothing special about が in relation to は, は is a generic replacement particle that can replace (or append to, depending on which) any other particle like を、へ、と、etc as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925295
ようか -> 8(th) day
はつか -> 20(th) day

[Anonymous No.]

あのりんごは甘いだけどなく酸っぱいも

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925300
It's common slang to shorten せる into す, and for some words it has become so common that they get their own dictionary entry

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925337
The short version is actually the original version. Many of those dictionary entries with the short version are actually older fossilized causatives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925307
Found https://www.omniglot.com/language/numbers/japanese.htm which shows what to use when refering to days of the month in Japenese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925342
I see, interesting

[Anonymous No.]

is there a better way to look up kanji than by radicals with jisho

it sometimes takes me 30-40 minutes to find one kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925354
You can find any kanji in under 5 seconds if you use googles handwriting tool. Knowing how radicals are written helps a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925195
>vocabulary
>singular meaning
literally no language does this

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925354
kanjitomo or other ocr programs can speed things up a lot

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925354
What exactly are you reading that you're having trouble looking up from? Manga with low raw quality and no furigana? Old SFC games? Either way, use the handwriting tool at https://translate.google.com/?um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&client=tw-ob#ja/en/ it's really good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925295
話している日本人は速い、あるいは怠惰です
それで　ち→つ
はち（この単語は八です）か→はつか
しかし二十日も同じ読み方
まずらしいでは日本人は決まった
八日はようか
二十日ははつか

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925403
「まずらしい」じゃない「紛らわしい」です

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925396
>>17925366
Thanks, this is working so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>character A: 「俺」
>character B: 「おれ」
Why? Is it because B is trying to look rough, whereas A actually is rough?

[Anonymous No.]

There's a guy absolutely losing his mind in the Japan General for /trv/, I'm almost in tears laughing. Thought the walls of text might be good for some mining:

てめえの方が糞食らえよ半日工作員野郎がよ
お前ら本当に何をやっていると分かってないわけねーよ。
俺が何度も返してもてめえらはただただ俺が出す計算と真の日本の事情と現状を無視して下朝鮮の教科書に出そうなぐらいに嘘くさい猛毒のようなプロパガンダを吐き返すだけ。
心の底からそちらの方の手のひらに踊らされてないとまだ思い込んでるなら俺にはやはり手遅れだな。
永久に奈落のどん底に燃えろよ。てめえらのような人形のように下朝鮮のチョンコ猿どもめに操られてる工作員と手を貸してる売国奴の毛皮を向いてやるのは俺の夢よ。
何時か叶わせるように。
またね。

俺たちネトウヨはお前のような新世代の売国的な草食系男性度も目より日本の未来を守ることに向いてる。それは本当にそんなに受け止めにくいのか
お前らには理性や正義感がないよ。てめえらは一生ろくなことを一度すらやらないことをどう納得してんのか
あ、はいはい、もちろんそういうことを考えたことがないよね。新時代のそちらの方に洗脳された国際市国民やはりみんな自分だけのために生きているからさ。
世界の各国には真の独立の権利がないと長い目線でどの国でも崩れ落ちちゃう。
この世界から愛国心がなくなる日に世が終わる。

[Anonymous No.]

Second day of this, can I just spend a few months memorizing core 2k or should I do some other exercises as well? Obviously just learning the words is helping but I don't want to fuck myself later when I could have been doing it better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925606
Study grammar and get to reading fast. You're gonna learn a lot faster once you're actually reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925586
>not using オレ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925613
But I don't like reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925620
You're not me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925620
You can't learn Japanese, then

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925620

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925620

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925586
>character switches between 僕 and 俺

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925620
That's what VNs are for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925675
not him
I've never had any interest in VNs, how long are they in comparison to actual novels?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925678
2 hours to 90 hours. Depends on what you read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925678
Like the other anon said, it depends. Many of the really good and famous once can run well over 50 hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925678
A medium length one is around 20-30 hours if you believe VNDB. Some can be insanely long. The experience doesn't really feel like you're reading a book though, even though many are as long as books or longer.

>>17925682
I'm sure F/SN and MuvLuv (all parts) go over 100 hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925678
>>17925682
>>17925687
But, to add on to what these anons said, they're usually chunked out so that you can get through just one of the game's several plotlines in around 8 hours for shortish ones and 15-20 for the really long ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925697
>I'm sure F/SN and MuvLuv (all parts) go over 100 hours.
Yeah, but those are shit so don't read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925707
True.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925697
I don't think F/SN is that long. It felt quite a bit shorter than Rewrite. I can never tell how long a VN is though

>>17925707
>>17925711
no u

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925714
I'm reading through F/SN right now in English though and the in-game timer has me at around 50 hours. I'm about a third of the way through Heaven's Feel, so it'll probably come out to 70 or so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925714
Fate/Stay Night is objectively very long. Not 100 hours but it is very long. Anything longer is only marginally longer or is actually multiple independent stories back to back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925732
Yes it is very long, I meant that it didn't feel like 100 hours. Then again, like I said, I can never tell how long a VN is

[Anonymous No.]

Why is the kanji for circle also yen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925784
Doesn't matter and thinking deeply about it won't save you. Even if in the moment you think it could be confusing, there's no way your friend will ever ask you to loan them 1000 circles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925784
Coins are circles

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925791
I chuckled, but fair enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925793
Mmhm. Japanese is a very context-based language. So even if two words are written the same, you'll usually be fine. The real hell is stupid shit like かける which has so many uses it feels like you can just stick it anywhere and have it mean anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925804
この猫が円をかけった

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925620
Same. Reading is physically painful. But you gotta slog through it anyways if you want to get good on your own. Your only other option is to move to japan or get a tutor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925904
Can I just watch some JAV and learn it that way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925833

[Anonymous No.]

私の右手ほうが左手よりすきだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925833
かけた
一段活用だからね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925602
>チョンコ猿
勉強になりました

[Anonymous No.]

Should i add kanji/words i see on these threads to anki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925976
>mining words produced by dekinai

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925987
I hate that this picture made me splutter laughing.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is de used instead of wa in pic related?

The only way I know how to use the de particle is in saying you're 'at' a place.

Looking it up on Jisho seems to suggest it may be used because Astolfo is saying something like 'is this [action] good' with the implication someone asked him to do it or would want him to do more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926000
It's asking whether これ in particular is good, not whether これはいい is true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926000
>で
>indicates means of action; cause of effect; by​

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926000
Is this a boy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926031
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926000
なんでちくびたってるの

さむいの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926000
いやアストルフォちゃん
あのセーターは後ろ前
着たのなら完璧だ

[Anonymous No.]

Do people mine sentence structures when reading? I feel like I've fucked up by paying closer attention to vocabulary and new words than actual syntax, I don't feel very confident in making my own sentences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926018
>>17926021
'Is this good?'
'Is it true that this is good?'

That's the difference between これはいいの and これでいいの?

The meaning seems to be the same, so in this case the point would maybe be that using de is more informal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926131
これでいいの？
How about this?
これはいいの？
Are you okay with this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918791
Anyone got a PDF for Strategies for Reading Japanese: A Rational Approach to the Japanese Sentence? Rented in from the library but can only have it for a week and it's $150+ to own it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926139
>Rented in from the library
That's not a library.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926139
Why not just make a PDF out of that one

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925987
Why haven't I seen this pic earlier

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926131
これはいいっていういいかたはあんまりしないよ

ひとりごちたときくらい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926131
これでいいの
~with this, is it good?~
~is it good (that way)~

[Anonymous No.]

>character introduces herself
>name is so fucking long you do a triple take
>九折坂二人 (つづらおりざかふひと)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926174
If you knew romaji, it makes reading these easier sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

今日の天気は曇りです
雨が降るかな

[Anonymous No.]

Is reading webnovels a bad idea to learn Japanese?
I have my psp to play VNs, but I can't rikai it, so I can only use it when I'm more advanced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926215
read futaba posts
not only will you get into the mind of japanese nolifers and memes, it can be helpful in case you are seeking an online presence

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926000
>>17926131
Here's a grammar lesson.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926263
>tfw can read this but don't really understand it

[Anonymous No.]

Will I be able to drop use of a texthooker by the time I get through all of this? Am I including too many easy ones? Am I underestimating how much reading experience is needed for the more difficult ones?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926304
Same. I can read it smoothly but as for meaning I'm totally lost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926304
this
>tfw after ankidroning you're at the point where japanese is like any romance language you can read but not understand

and i don't even know how to remedy it because rikai doesn't tell grammer so the words and sentences don't mean anything to me whether i know the words or not

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926308
If you're always reliant on it, you'll never drop it. Though it does make looking things up a hell lot easier, so you might never drop it anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926308
Folder upload when

[Anonymous No.]

What do you do when encountering 無* and 不* words? Do you just mine that word, or you do also mine the non-無/不 version as well?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926308
if you only keep reading stuff with cute girls in it, yes
otherwise, no

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926263
Oh okay, after seeing the file name. I get it. It's literally a grammar lesson because ちはや over here messed up and for some reason it's enough to divulge into a grammar lesson in my eroge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926304
>I'm alright with (で) Saorin.
>No no. I'm asking for "が". I didn't ask you to say "で". が and で are different.
>How are they different?
>I want you to properly choose me. If you say
が, it feels like it has to be me. If you say で, it feels like anyone will do, even me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926304
>>17926317
>>17926322
Read and study grammar more. で and が for this use has very different nuances which the dialog explains:

"I'm fine with Saori"

"No, I'm not asking you who you are fine with (で), I'm asking who you want (が), I think there's a difference between between you using で and が."

"What's the difference?"

"I mean that I at least want you to have chosen me properly. With が, you're saying that it has to be me. With で, you're implying that you're fine with anyone so it might as well be me."

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best 'you' for someone you've just met? Everything I've read just seems kinda casual and a bit derogative at times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926363
Their name+さん

If you don't know their name, ask, or just go ええと and they will tell you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926363
i use お前 also btw my preferred pronoun is 俺

but for real though you're a soyboy if you use 僕 and 敬語

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926376
>soyboy
back to /pol/ retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926263
Who's Chihaya in the context of the game? A native nip? A foreigner? Some ancient 3000 years old demon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926389
He's native, he's just being intentionally noncommittal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926360
Thanks for the explanation. It seems I'm 100 years too early to try to understand a grammar lesson in native text. That having been said, I do feel like I could've understood it if I had just focused a little harder on what everything meant in the dialogue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926215
Sure. Why wouldn't it be? The poorly written ones are easier to read and suitable for beginners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926360
I don't know how, reading tae kim didn't make anything stick in a way that would help me in any way

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926376
>soyboy
don't post this here

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926356
>>17926360
S-so who did he choose

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926444
There are grammar texts besides Tae Kim. Try downloading some of the books in the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the use in skimming through Tae Kim while doing Core2k and not reading? Wouldn't you forget any rules after 3 days tops?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926465
Tae Kim is easy enough to memorize, it's beginner stuff. Also Core2k has sentences too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926465
only you are saying not reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926444
A similar thing is mentioned in the entry for を in the Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar, talking about the usage of で and を regarding choice of action, in the notes. It isn't entirely the same but you can see how で implies a range of options and how the context can be shifted to が instead of を, since it is talking a desired object. The notes for the たい entry touches on this relationship between を and が.

>>17926465
Reading the sentences in Core2k would help, and it isn't like you fully forget a lot of these principles. Why not read though, if you want to? I'm not sure how that follows from reading Tae Kim's grammar guide and using one of the Core vocabulary Anki decks.

[Anonymous No.]

So if Core2k covers 2k kanji, how many more does Core10k cover?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926597
core2k doesn't cover 2000 kanji, more like a 1000, maybe even less
the entire core6k (including 2k) has 1570 or so kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925602
>草食系
Edict is wrong, this should be "cuck". I hope other dictionaries translate this correctly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926673
>man who is uninterested in aggressively pursuing women; peaceable men who don't approach women as potential partners; herbivore​
wwwwww

[Anonymous No.]

tfw beta herbivore

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926597
>>17926622
even core10k doesn't cover the whole jouyou set lol

[Anonymous No.]

will I ever be able to read a light novel?

[Anonymous No.]

thanks for purging the リア充, whoever did it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921440
yes for wanikani
crabigator is the best daddy

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926809
if you know basic grammar and vocabulary you could start today

[Anonymous No.]

will I finish a light novel in my lifetime?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926832
I believe in you, Anon. Don't let me down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926809
It's not that hard. Read your basic grammar guide of choice, grab your favorite popup dictionary, and hit the library. The hard part is not losing motivation while you're looking up every word, but if you keep at it and add words to anki you'll find yourself relying on rikai less and less.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926832
If you read a page a day, you will be done within a year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926871
>>17926878
More like losing motivation because you're 50 pages into the book and not really sure if you understood everything before or you're just really delusional and only think you did

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926908
Well, even if you quit after 50 pages, if you start reading the next book, you should be able to understand more and also feel like you understand more.
There is no difference in reading 100 times the first 50 pages of novels or 17 300 page novels.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the difference between 百合 and レズ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926930
>百合
Cute 2D girls doing cute things together
>レズ
3DPD scrissoring

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926939
I've read enough on nocturne to feel this is not the complete explanation without being unable to explain why.

[Anonymous No.]

If you've already set the time with, for example, あとで in a sentence, can you then use the て conjugation for verbs even though you're not currently performing the verb?

What I'm trying to figure out is whether I should be using 行く or 行って in this sentence:
あとで私たちは日本に行って。

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a simplified 2k deck with
hiragana/katakana instead of kanji? I'm finding it
really hard to memorize them with ought first
knowing the words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926981
Impractical because of the amount of homophones in Japanese. Continue your kanji grind or start a mining deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926981
No. It's hard because you're not used to it, you will be soon as you keep doing them. Try remembering one thing at a time as you go through your cards even if you miss.

[Anonymous No.]

Isn't core6k supposed to be in "more common first" order? Why am I getting shit like the verb "to rewrite" before stuff like "mother"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926981
You think this would be easier but it wouldn't be

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926987
heard
>>17926992
Makes sence, will do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926996
No, the WHOLE deck is common words. And there's a bit over 20k of common words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926996
It's mined from newspaper vocabulary. So common conversational words don't pop up til after you've got a ton of other stuff out of the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927015
Some common words are more common than others. Core 2k/6k is supposed to put more common words before less common words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927015
I realize the whole deck is common words, but aren't they supposed to be sorted by how common they are in newspapers? Or is that something else I'm thinking of?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927020
Yeah that's what I thought, but surely the words mother/father/son/daughter turn up more often in newspapers than the verb "to rewrite"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927024
Anything that appears in newspapers is going to be the most common.
They wont sell any if the majority can't read them. This concept is not exclusive to japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927031
Newspapers being limited to common words does not mean that newspapers reflect which common words are most common. Newspapers use subjective adjectives and adverbs, intimate nouns, and vulgar words way, way less than the actual spoken language.

[Anonymous No.]

>236.7385273473 和 名詞 普通名詞 一般 * 御母 オカア お母 オカア オカー 2 3550 おかあ オカア オカー 2 171
>218.7573313067 和 名詞 普通名詞 一般 * 母 ハハ 母 ハハ ハハ 1 3714
>60.4461086900 和 名詞 普通名詞 一般 * 母親 ハハオヤ 母親 ハハオヤ ハハオヤ 0 1091

>0.9949806357 和 動詞 一般 * 五段-サ行 書き直す カキナオス 書き直す カキナオス カキナオス 4,0 22

That's funny...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927031
Yes I realize that anon, what I'm trying to say is that the words father/mother/son/daughter obviously occur more often in newspapers than the verb "to rewrite" (at least in any newspaper I've read!), yet the Japanese word for "to rewrite" appears in core6k before the words for family do

[Anonymous No.]

Yomichan anki importing isn't working. I click the green arrow, and then when I click the book to see the added note Anki searches for the ID but nothing's there. What could be wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

List everything you've read to completion in chronological order.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927046
Why don't you ask the Yomichan dev instead of bothering us about his extension?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927031
I talked with one of my japanese colleagues and he told me even a lot of native japanese people can't read everything on the newspaper

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927049
∅

Planning to start soon(tm)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927063
Why are Japanese people so stupid? They can't even understand their own language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927049
yotsubato
惡の華
マンガ家さんとアシスタントさんと
hanahira
苺ましまろ
イカ娘
first three vol of キノの旅
flyable heart
fureraba
satsukoi
still reading:
絶対霊域
フツウノファンタジー

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927060
Because someone else might have had the same problem and you were the one that chose to be bothered?

[Anonymous No.]

I did my reps today, and with 15 minutes to spare until 3AM

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927049
Yotsubato
Made in Abyss

Dropped a dozen after a couple volumes

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926996
I just hunted down the original (supposedly) iKnow core list, and it doesn't have this problem. It has rewrite at ~2000 and mother first at ~200~300. 行く is the first word, and there's no obvious sorting-by-kanji.

Guess you guys were all gypped by whoever made the current iteration of Core 2k/6k, huh?

https://forum.koohii.com/thread-9762.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927090
Same

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918907
There is none. Look up "kirakira names". There are rules about which kanji can be used in a baby's name, but none concerning how it is to be read.

ビャクis not of official reading for 鶴, but it could be pronounced カカピピププ if the parents so desired.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927105
>Guess you guys were all gypped by whoever made the current iteration of Core 2k/6k, huh?
oh no, we were all taken for a ruse cruise, with a slightly less efficient order of common words
whatever shall we do :/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927123
You're projecting quite a bit with that post. Be careful, you might accidentally project a sword and hurt someone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927049
Yotsuba 3 volumes
Hanahira
Flyable Heart
Zero no Tsukaima 1 volume
Satsukoi

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927123

The whole point of recommending a specific version of the Core deck is that it's supposed to have a reasonable format, which is easy to check, and also to be maximally untainted by koohii memes, like them misunderstanding i+1 and ordering it by introducing new kanji or ordering it by how hard the sentences are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927105
I like the sorted by kanji optimized deck. It really pounds the readings into you all at once, whereas in the non-sorted deck you might encounter them far apart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927165
That's fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927147
>like them misunderstanding i+1
What's this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927165
Funny the kanji optimized part has been gone for so long I forgot it was optimized

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927181
The short version is that i+1 is the observation that you learn languages best when most of your time is spent consuming input that you understand, but haven't learned how everything in it works yet.

The long version is that it's a very specific scientific hypothesis, and armchair language learning experts misunderstood it to mean that you should only study things that include a "single unknown". In any domain, including things like memorizing kanji, words, or grammar patterns, not just input. And even if you don't understand it without outside help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925094
That is not an exception, it's a remnant of literary Japanese.

1. のに = nominaliser の + case particle に "For the purpose of"
2. のに = nominaliser の + concessive conjunctive に "even though"

The second type of に has little modern use outside that construction.

[Anonymous No.]

Until I started browsing DJT, I never thought anyone could have trouble finding samples of Kansai pitch accent. It's everywhere on Japanese TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ9Fl8nijFo

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927200
I don't know if there's basis for it being more efficient, but I do know that understanding sentences when I was first learning felt really fucking good and giving Anki drones that is probably going to make them enjoy using Anki more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927147
The only reason the Core decks exist is because of kanji koohii, you insufferable autist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927203
You just explained why it's an exception.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927228
The actual Core deck is literally unrelated to koohii. All they did was change the cards' order. Anyone can rip iknow's data at any time, even now.

https://iknow.jp/content/japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927230
An exception in language usually denotes an irregularity in an otherwise-valid rule that exists for no known reason. のに1 and のに2 are just homonyms, and their provenance is well understood.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs here, but I think the difference is important.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927236
As opposed to figuratively unrelated to koohii.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927266
No, as opposed to loosely related to koohii.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927049
hanahira
flyable heart
remember11
doko e iku
phenomeno
dark blue
12riven
chaos;child
chaos;child rabuchuchu
tsukikage no simulacre
subete ga F ni naru
sense off
rebellions: sg;2ndstage
baldr sky dive1 - 104HR30MIN - 21 days
baldr sky dive2 - 213HR09MIN (total) - 26 days (47 for both dives)
raging loop - 89 hrs still have extras and bousou mode to do if i want
wadanohara
mogeko castle
grey garden
moon rpg remix
mikan X
trianthology X
I have a text document for this exact thing, X means in progress or in planning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927287
At what point did you start feeling confident with reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927243
It's important in the same way that scratching an itch is important.

[Anonymous No.]

Started to get very related words each day. Did Core2k run out of important words to teach me? Yesterday I had stuff like 女性的 and 合理的

Today was 死　生死 死亡 etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927334
The trick is they're all important

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927295
Some time during Chaos;Child i think.
My list's order is a little messed up as i finished 12riven after baldr sky but started it before chaos;child.
There are different levels of confidence though because after I finished flyable heart, I was pretty confident with my improvement but then doko e iku no a no hi blew me the fuck out. In a similar way, I was quite confident after baldr sky but then raging loop was actually pretty tough. In general though, chaos;child marks the border between thinking that "reading makes me tired and feels like a slog, I don't feel like putting myself through that" and thinking "holy shit, this is actually fun".

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know how to play BDSup subs on a video file? I've never seen these type before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927361
>"reading makes me tired and feels like a slog, I don't feel like putting myself through that" and thinking "holy shit, this is actually fun".
Im still the former
this is me>>17927083
its coming i suppose, but its going to take awhile

[Anonymous No.]

why is there a book about the history of eroge in the djt library. No one has ever read this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927494
I want to read this

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927506
I want to read it and make a point of playing every single title mentioned regardless of whether it caters to my fetishes.

>written in 2013
That's a lot more recent than I was expecting.

[Anonymous No.]

You know what I'm most afraid of, /jp/? That by the time I finally make it there, all the good stuff will have been translated already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927549
That's quite literally impossible, so you don't have anything to worry about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927549
Not really. Since it takes Yen Press or Seven Seas like 4 years to translate anything.
And finding raws online is free and much easier than finding licensed and translated work online.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927549
A lot of it already is. Aside from some obvious ones like Muramasa or Baldr Sky or Sakura no Uta, just about every highly rated VN is translated. And even then, Muramasa and Baldr Sky are technically being "translated" right now.

Honestly, if you're learning Japanese for VN, I hope you have interest in more conventional moege because there's a lot more untranslated stuff there that will likely never be translated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927567
For some reason, I thought you referred to VNs. Disregard my post then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927549
>all the good stuff will have been translated already.
Because a translation will contain no compromises, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927567
>all those VN op and PV on YouTube with no translations, some not even ripped yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927567
>just about every highly rated VN is translated
Good thing I have shit taste then. I just want to read a lot of Eushully stuff.
And loli VNs, lots and lots of loli VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927558
How is it "quite literally" impossible? I think it's a bit unlikely but I don't think it's impossible. Things keep getting translated faster and faster and I think the speed of translation has already caught up with the speed Japan is producing the really good (worth learning the language for) content.

>>17927566
I don't read LNs, though.

>>17927567
>>17927573
You guessed correctly actually, a big part of why I'm learning Japanese is VNs. Well, the main reason is because I'm aiming to go to Japan next year and I want to make that a better experience, but VNs are also a big part of it.

>>17927572
This is a fair point, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927572
>>17927588
A good translation is going to get across all the meaning that matters, and focusing on the few things lost in translation and desperately telling yourself it was worth it is pathetic. Quit while you're behind.

[Anonymous No.]

Any simple games for total newbies or should I read first? I don't find reading typically very engaging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927615

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927626
Pokémon

[Anonymous No.]

What does ハズ mean here? Is it supposed to be 外す？Only other potential definition I could find was an abbreviation for husband, but that makes no sense. If it's just the grammar はず, why is it in katakana?

[Anonymous No.]

Yes, it's that はず, and it's in katakana because the author felt like it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927680
>>17927674

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927674
Damn these are some high quality scans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927680
Stupid author. Katakana is for loanwords only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927689
I believe I got it from the cornucopia of resources. I recommend it if you haven't already finished it. It's a funny and easy read, and this girl is very cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927689
Now, their contrast is just blown the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

>>17927674
はずを強調だよ

>>17927690
カタカナも

たまーにつかうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927767
おはよう
調子はどう

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927803
おひるの

おでんが

おいしかった

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927567
>And even then, Muramasa and Baldr Sky are technically being "translated" right now.
Time is running out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927567
So these all the games I have to read to be a part of the cool club.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927847
you already sound so far up your own ass i doubt it would help

[Anonymous No.]

What did they mean by this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927847
>>17927567
>tfw dies irae and muramasa will be translated before i can read them
god i wish i could be a cool kid too

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927888
dies irae is already translated

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927803
おでんなにたべる？

だいこんとたまごいがいで

[Anonymous No.]

hmmm

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927889
this is very unsettling

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927889
anon, I....

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927893
そんなこと一度も食べなかった
面目ない
日本の食べ物は嫌いじゃないけど、機会はなかったから

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927689
The ones from the CoR are ebook rips.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927902
It's only unsettling if you're an idiot who is only learning Japanese for kamige.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927923
よかった
日本語の勉強しますのためにはくそげ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927923
no, the only VN i've read are KS years ago and はなひら now

I would like to read it before it's translated so I could be smug to EOPs

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927911
さむいときたべるのが

おでんだよ

あのんが

さむいとき

たべるものはなに？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927923
The only things I want to read in Japanese are some academic stuff, kamige, untranslated doujinshi and imageboards/forums/twitter/whatever. Everything else is already translated anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927940
>さむいときたべるものはなに
熱いラザニア
あと、かなり熱いカスタード
舌は一週間治らないぐらい熱い、懲りない者ですよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927974
カスタードってなに？

からいもの？

みずぎ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927981
デザートよ
プリンみたい、でも粘度は多分違う

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927994
マスタードとかレオタードだとおもった

おさけでもしるものでもないの？

あったまるの？

もしかしてねったいちほー？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928009
>おさけ
健康悪い、いらない
>しるものでもないの？
しるものなんか地味じゃない？
>あったまるの？
そうとも
>もしかしてねったいちほー
いや、温帯です
今は初夏、助けて

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928024
なつにサンタやるくにだね！

カンガルーいっぴきください

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928044
>カンガルー
バレたか
鋭い者ですね
いいよ、でもそのかわりタヌキいっぴき

[Anonymous No.]

I'm going to keep posting here because it keeps
me motivated. day 3 and I'm getting down the
basics. I fucking hate learning different numbers
and days of the week. Other than that I'm sort of
getting the hang of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928074
Better than me. I memorized the kana a week ago and I still haven't really started grammar or anything yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928079
>kana
Hey man I half assed the kana a long time ago.
Now that I'm semi serious I just said fuck it and
decided I'd learn the last 10-20 I don't know as I
go along.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928056
たぬき

いないのだ？

[Anonymous No.]

ツライのだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928107

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928107
まぁー、まぁー。元気を出そーよー、アラーイさーん。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928202
をやりたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928074
I hate how core starts, all of it is date stuff that's really dry and confusing/inconsistent, and you have to deal with it for a long time until you get more interesting words

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928203
フェネックはアライさんのものだ、離れろ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928208
やったぜ

[Anonymous No.]

元気を出してもまだツライのだよ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928204
>all of it is date stuff that's really dry and confusing/inconsistent
I wouldn't say it's something you can really avoid either. Though I'm not sure what depth it goes to, I'm not doing core. It is quite dry, though, which is an obstacle. I can't wait until I can do proper mining and have a better connection with the words I'm working on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928220

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928230
I don't mind that it's in there, I hate that it's immediately in the beginning and not spread out at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928238
>>17928230
>>17928204
I didn't really notice it. I'm almost at a month of Anki now and 480 words in. Stop being pussies or make your own deck with a 1st grade kanji list

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928245
Wow a whole 480 words in a month, that's a whole 16 a day. Out of all the people here, you're clearly in the best position to be calling other people "pussies", anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928267
I said almost a month, I'm doing 20 a day. And I'm not the one crying about "ohhh this is so dull I'm gonna go hang myself" am I?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928290
Nobody was crying that, retard. I'm just saying that core is poorly laid out in the beginning and then absolute beginner you the cockmongler shows up bragging about his 480 words and telling others to stop being pussies

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928302
And I'm saying that you're being a pussy over a couple days worth of words. Stop getting offended over the internet, pussy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928305
Please return and don't forget to take your /v/ culture with you, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928312
Please return? Oh, don't worry I plan on returning every day anon.

[Anonymous No.]

返事するな馬鹿野郎！！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928326
残念な

[Anonymous No.]

（お前）

[Anonymous No.]

おさかなかってきたのだ

いまからりょうりするのだ

フェネックまっているのだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928335
アライさんがんばるのだ

[Anonymous No.]

できたのだ

さしみなのだ

ぐろちゅういなのだ

がんばってもりつければ下のようになるのだ

[Anonymous No.]

Is the difference in quality between JMDICT's definitions and Kenkyusha's definitions enough to be worth having to edit the example sentences and other garbage out of each and every card? I have the japanese example sentences addon installed and set Yomichan to include the sentence a word is mined from so all it does is clutter the card. Rikaisama isn't even an option for me because even on Firefox ESR with the correct dictionaries clicking on its icon does nothing, which was the case for me even on the main Firefox release before the move to webextensions started.

[Anonymous No.]

Is the difference in quality between JMDICT's definitions and Kenkyusha's definitions enough to be worth having to edit the example sentences and other garbage out of each and every card?

[Anonymous No.]

おはよう/djt/！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927049
K-On! College
Kimi no Na Wa First vol
Koe no Katachi 3 vol
Yotsuba 2 vol
Gekkan Shoujo Only Vol 7

I drop a lot of stuff, and I watch anime (raw) more than I read manga/LNs (not including VN)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927287
>raging loop
upload it pls

[Anonymous No.]

ここは雪がめっちゃ降ってるよ
お前らのところは？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928454
Definitely. Even if you only use JMDICT you should edit the back of your cards so it shouldn't make a difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928525
今は晴れみたい
野原で手懐けるロリは寝ています

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928552
>野原で手懐けるロリは寝ています
えっ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928558
しまった

[Anonymous No.]

>留守
>1. absence; being away from home​
>2. house-sitting; house-sitter​
this language makes no sense with its constant contradictions

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928603
most seen the latter as 留守番, context will sort it out anyway
besides you're forgetting the best word in japanese
居留守

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928613
I wish I could pretend to be out when it's time to do Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928603
How about reading a japanese to japanese dictionary instead?

[Anonymous No.]

Currently on week 2 of learning, and I'm midway through the essential grammar section in Tae Kim and I'm on about 125 radical Kanji known, which feels like I'm going really slowly, but I'm not sure
I follow a lot of Japanese artists on twitter and it feels kinda nice being able to get the gist of what they're saying the more and more I continue, it's one of the few things that's keeping me motivated
But I have a question, what kind of realistic goals should I set for myself? Like weekly and monthly? Cause as fun as it is going through all the kanji and whatnot, I feel like I need to have something to aim towards

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928653
goals? what goals?
just read while reading the grammar guide/writing out kanji, delving into listening when you understand ~65% of what you're reading

If you are aiming to grade yourself, do graded Kanji or take JLPT exams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928653
reading untranslated porn games is a good goal. i wouldn't worry about the pace much. just make sure you keep having fun.

[Anonymous No.]

さしみになるまえのすがたは

こんなさかなだよ

えいごでなんていうかはしらないよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928661
>>17928669
thanks anons, appreciate the advice
also, one more question, how important is it to learn stroke orders? or are they just there for convenience to make writing Kanji easier

[Anonymous No.]

Hi /djt/. Haven't been here in a long time. In fact the threads were on /a/ when I last visited. I have a potentially stupid question: aside from the cornucopia, where do you get your raw manga scans? I used to acquire them from Perfect Dark or Amazon, but for different reasons neither are an option anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928701
writing by hand can help some people remember the kanji better but that really depends on what kind of learner you are. everyone's different. you probably won't get much use out of writing otherwise. once you learn like 50 stroke orders you can probably guess most of the rest of them though. they almost all follow a similar pattern. it's not as hard as it sounds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928714
cdjapan, animebytes, nyaa.si/pantsu.cat

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928653
At least new 300 words a month. Read at least 10 pages of manga every day. Get your new words from what you read, not some shitty core 10000000.

[Anonymous No.]

頑張らない人は死刑をもらうぞ

[Anonymous No.]

非道

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928692
>えいごでなんていうかはしらないよ
fish!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928762
死刑とは日本語を習われないことだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928722
yeah i've started getting the hang of it after writing a few kanji, i even have a shitty notebook i've been using to write down a bunch of stuff that's already halfway filled it
>>17928738
is there a way i can look up words from a manga without knowing their meaning initially? because i'm not sure how to look up words without being able to copy paste them

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928774
>because i'm not sure how to look up words without being able to copy paste them
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-11121.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927092
is made in abyss a doable step up from yotsubato?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928603
The meanings are related conceptually and not contradictory:
1. 外出して家にいないこと。
[going out and not being at home]
>absence; being away from home​
2. 主人や家人などの外出中、その家を守ること。るすい。
[looking after the house while the owner/family is out]
>house-sitting; house-sitter​

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928774
Read stuff that has furigana and just type the word into jisho, or whatever dictionary you want to use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927361
>after I finished flyable heart, I was pretty confident with my improvement but then doko e iku no a no hi blew me the fuck out.
I had the same experience just the other day.

Towards the end of Flyable Heart, I was getting all full of myself like "wow, I've improved so much, my Japanese is actually getting quite decent", then I tried reading something else after it and reality came and slapped me in the face with its 12" dong.

[Anonymous No.]

Just finished reading 740 posts from this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928888
That could've been 740 cards. What are you doing bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928897
Yeah, now I realize that reading one of these threads takes the same amount of time as one volume of manga or something like that.

[Anonymous No.]

concerning RTK vol. 3, is there any list of the frequently used kanji from it? I've been told a lot of it is redundant, but there are also very easy kanji like 姦, which I could learn in no time

if there isn't such a list I guess I will just skim through it and catch some easy ones like the previously mentioned one

[Anonymous No.]

>>17927549
Most translations suck and take forever to complete. Anime and popular shounen manga are about the only things which get translated with any sort of haste.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928932
Too bad the original publications often only come out once a month too, so you'll be waiting either way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17925354
SKIP is superior to radical lookup by a huge margin, if you know the number of strokes in common forms. See Kodansha Kanji Learner's Dictionary

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928974
>SKIP
pls go kodansha shill

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928774
Kanjitomo

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928788
Those things are a pain to use and only work half the time, desu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17928974
I'm using skip too. It's pretty effective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17921859
Make sure you're reviewing them in order added, not random order.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929324
Genuine question, why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17922494
Madoka Magicka comes to mind, I think its over 6 hours long with all three parts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929336
Madoka is shit though.

[Anonymous No.]

Would ハイパー be said like "hai pa ichi or does ー have more meanings?

[Anonymous No.]

>the realization that once your fluent its the same as english and the only fun part was the learning so you just move from language to language learning for no real purpose

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929345
Try searching ー on wikipedia. Hint: It's not 1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929348
Pathetic

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929361
hows your first 10 seconds of japanese, kid?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929348
Personally, I can't wait to enjoy original content instead of meme-ridden ""translations"" in addition to playing old SFC and PS1 games that will never, EVER be translated. It'll also be nice to play new games as they come out instead of years after the fact (if they're even translated at all!).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929368
Yeah everyone starts learning with similar intentions. See you in 5 years. Eventually it's just a worse version of English except in very niche areas, and eventually those areas will become mundane as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929372
Holy fuck dude why are you here even, go learn finnish or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929374
Because I used to come here 5 years ago and so I stop in once in a while for fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929379
Alright, then fuck off and go jerk your dick to your N1 certification, no one wants your shitposting here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929380
I'm not shitposting and I'm not leaving.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929382
Then suck me dick faggot

[Anonymous No.]

How difficult to read is Tsukihime?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929359
So ー is showing when to extend a vowel sound and | is used for vertical writing thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929392
Considering it's already difficult to read in English. probably quite difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

is there a way to stop getting fucked by combined reviews? my have a lagg as fuck sleep schedule so every week i end up doing dualreviews.

[Anonymous No.]

What do I type in to look for "best j-pop albums of all time"
I tried all kinds of phrases and don't get any accurate results

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929372
I dunno, man. I'm learning in order to enhance my hobbies that I already have. I can't see myself ever growing out of games and cartoons. Failing that, there's also a lot of books (LNs and proper novels) that I want to read too, in addition to maybe rereading stuff I already read translated versions of. I'm just doing the same stuff I already enjoy in English, but my options will expand. Nothing wrong with that.

[Anonymous No.]

How would you ask if something would be possible under different conditions or at a different location? In other words, asking if something would be successful. Do you just use できる? That doesn't seem right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929446
Specific example please

[Anonymous No.]

>>17919160
Any of the Tales games, especially the early ones. The new .hack//GU remaster has pretty simple gameplay with loads of interesting supplementary reading material which is great for learning.

[Anonymous No.]

would it be smart to move my grammar vocabulary into another deck or should i mingle it in with my normal words?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929487
>grammar vocabulary
???

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929489
the stuff that's not really a verb or noun or adj but rather functions as one of the inbetween things or concepts like "だけでなく” and shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929489
Probasbly shit like じゃない.

[Anonymous No.]

What do you do when you get homonyms wrong and only remember one of them and it's not the correct one? Still mark it right? Or should I just drop kana-only reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929553
Why would you read kana only? Kanji exist for a reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929561
it came with the program i use, i probably should drop it. I use that program anyways mainly for writing the kanji

[Anonymous No.]

kana-only words like ぐっすり, あんぐり, and all the rest can go die

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929418
Dunno, I heard it's mostly because of takajun's shitty translation/writing style at that time

[Anonymous No.]

At company A people work an extra hour Mon-Thu so they can leave early on Friday. Would doing that at company B work out/be successful?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929583
I can at least confirm that his terrible writing style at the time made things unnecessarily difficult to read.

>>17929591
Unless the supervision cares about their workers, no, they'll just make them work that extra hour every day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929491
Expressions?
>>17929492
Conjugations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929591
Company C who doesnt slave its workers into working 5 times a week is better anyway, so what does it matter?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929591
Depends, how early on Friday and if you want a better weekend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929600
Do you really think working on weekdays compares to slavery? Are you retarded or a NEET? Or both?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929591
Oops, that was meant for >>17929457

[Anonymous No.]

what

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929682
>Because grammar guides are retarded. Their authors have the delusion that they can teach you production if they go into autistic detail over every little aspect of a certain thing, but the result it that it just becomes overly-complicated and confusing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17926996
I think I said this already in this same thread, but MAKE SURE you change the setting from "Show cards in random order" to "Show cards in order added."

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929694
I got both 書き直す and 母 fairly early on, theyre definitely not even a few hundred words apart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929640
働いたら負け

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929714
これだぞ

[Anonymous No.]

Why do anime characters say 言うな instead of
言うない? Is it just slurred speech?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929721
Because those two are completely different things and one of them isn't even grammatically correct?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929724
Right, I guess the second one would be 言わない, don't bully me please

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929731
Yeah they're still completely different things. Please read a grammar guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929731
*bullies you*

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929731
Read tyler kim you brainless cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929739
speaking of which, is the guy korean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929742
Yes, but it's the only guide mental retards are able to understand so naturally it's the most popular on DJT

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929747
t. Sakubi shill

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929747
hirohito is pleased
also
beside actual books
is there any other grammar guide youd recommend?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929758
First post from this IP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929747
grrr

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929764
Why do you bring this up anyway? Do you think it means something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929747
good good

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929775
It's a post from a shitposter that doesn't belong to this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929762
Tae Kim is fine. Stay away from sakubi.

[Anonymous No.]

>character gets nicknamed おまる by his "friend"
Damn, that's the worst.

[Anonymous No.]

can i learn japanese if i'm dumb?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929802
It's an elaborate multilingual referential pun on "Potter". It's actually genius.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929804
Oh, fuck, I'm too dumb for this.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do people get so butthurt about Sakubi? It's just another grammar guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929803
Nope, watch some Rick and Morty and then come back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929809
b-b-b--b-b-b-bb-b-because it had errors in its first version or two! th-th-th-tht-ht-the author isn't even that good at japanese! so i heard...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929803
Pretty much anyone can learn Japanese. It's not a difficult task, it's a time consuming task.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929814
でもさ、みんなによるとあんたの母は肉便器だそう

[Anonymous No.]

why does Google Translate translate this:
>でもね私子供じゃない
as
>You're my child.
?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929834
>why is a machine translator bad
Hmmmmmmm

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929838
so that's the case
I thought maybe there was 2nd meaning to it that I couldn't parse
thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929831
バジンガ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929814
>Right now, japanese has two categories of regular verbs. It used to have categories of categories, but there's only two categories right now.
it's shit because it's horribly written

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929859
I don't see the problem there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929859
That doesn't have anything to do with the actual grammar explanation content of the guide, so I don't feel like you've proven much of a point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929794
what is sakubi?
ive been using

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929868
Just keep using whatever you're using unless it's a garbage classroom textbook.

[Anonymous No.]

FUCK

It's so fucking distracting when a VN has cicada background noises.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929870
It's Genki I and II.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929872
Yeah switch to something else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929870
japanese pod 101, tae kim, and a various grammars and searches
and the anki deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929876
Yeah that's fine, keep at it.

Read social media or manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929872
try assblasting through taekim then refine it with genki, and to achieve higher understanding later on you can probably use dojg/hjgp, each one builds upon the one before it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929877
>social media
oi oi quit trying to trick anon into becoming a normie, we don't want him talking like chad でござる

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929885
Japanese social media is full of societal rejects, not リア充.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929886
>リア充
is that the jap term for chad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929892
It means normalfag.

[Anonymous No.]

just get into j-twitter artists and read their hilarious pervert tweets

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929896
>their hilarious pervert tweets
is this for real?
i thought the shameless pervert jap was a meme
is japan a countrywide board?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929913
Stop shitposting please.

[Anonymous No.]

thoughts on this?
ive skimmed it and it seems decent
do you think that 25 kanji a day is a reasonable pace?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929940
If you're going to do isolated kanji study anyway, you should use it instead of the alternatives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929938
im genuinely a new friend
i picked up japanese since i was curious about the language

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929873
There's literally nothing wrong with genki. It just doesn't work for illiterate neets because they don't do the writing exercises that complement the textbook's lessons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929948
Genki I and II manage to teach less grammar, and worse, than a grammar guide written by a pretentious autist in six months, apparently in their free time. The only advantage to using Genki is the high quality of the exercise material, which you shouldn't be using anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929947
The thread for new people is on >>>/int/djt

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929945
thanks
>>17929948
why wouldnt you use a textbooks exercise
>>17929954
o-ok

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929940
>learning readings separately
USELESS

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929963
KKLC doesn't teach readings outside the context of words. It specifically instructs you not to memorize the readings without the context of the included vocabulary they occur in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929957
My guess would be that they have no desire to do anything with Japanese except read. So if a resource does more than just help them read it's shit because it reminds them of the huge chunk missing from their overall proficiency. It's also impossible to use multiple resources, you've got to be loyal and shitpost about everything else.

Unless it's genuinely shit like imabi, then you can shitpost about that all you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929979
Imabi is only bad as a structured grammar guide or if you take what it says literally, you can still use it to look up relatively advanced stuff for a general approximation of what it means. Would never recommend it to a beginner though.

[Anonymous No.]

How sustainable is 20 new words per day from core 2k/6k?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930005
the fact that they introduce ga before wa triggers my autism

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930035
ive been doing 50 just fine
if i remember correctly, then the guide in the op also says 20 a day

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930035
Depends on how well you can handle it. also: >>17930046

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930035
I tried it for a while, but I eventually sank back down to 15, then 10. Because some days, I was too tired out to do 20 on top of all my reviews, so I figured it'd be better to do 10 every day than to do 20 every couple days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930038
Why? That's the obvious order. Because は is a modification particle, it only makes sense in context of other particles which is either replaces or appends to. Learning は before other particles like が would be like learning how to play the guitar before learning what a guitar even is.

[Anonymous No.]

>both of the skip options in my VN skip absolutely everything instead of having an option to skip only text that's been read before
That's fucked up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930086
meh, it just feels like wa first is better
>>17930089
ayy lmao

[Anonymous No.]

What does the "わ" mean in 俺達の世界わ終っている ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930110
i can't imagine it is anything but a wrong spelling of は

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930110
The character speaking is gay. That's the feminine わ. Just like when you say わたしはゲイですわ！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930115
It's the title of a game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930129
When you do not want people to play your game so you make your cover pure trash: The Game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930116
わ is used at the end of the sentence

>>17930129
then it must be stylistic effect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930129
Huh, looks neat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929965
Memorising a bunch of random words out of context chosen just to show kanji meanings (along with the no doubt crappy definitions provided for them) is retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930193
Looks fine to me.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any VN which is near Flyable Heart in easiness but not boring as fuck?

(alternatively, an LN meeting the same criteria which can be read in the DJT library)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930239
Leyline

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930239
>(alternatively, an LN meeting the same criteria which can be read in the DJT library)

Eromanga Sensei is very easy for an LN. I assume Oreimo is as well, since it's by the same author, but I haven't read that yet

[Anonymous No.]

Studied 245 cards in 28 minutes today.
Again count: 113 (53.9% correct)
Learn: 96, Review: 82, Relearn: 67, Filtered: 0

Are these reasonable stats? About 330 words in now, doing 20 new words a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930267
Install True Retention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930269
What is True Rentention, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930274
It's an addon that shows you a stat that can actually be compared to other people's stats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930276
Okay, let me see if I can figure out how that works!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930267
This is what that "True Rentention" thing gives me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930267
Do you have audio on your cards, and if so, what's the point of having it when your average time per card isn't long enough to let the audio play?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930267
stats don't tell you a lot until you start getting reviews for mature cards

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930299
Audio plays after the timer stops. Fuck Anon you're such an Anki noob...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17929682
＞子供だから許すわけにはいかない。
>He's a child, so I can't forgive him.

＞子供だからと言って許すわけにはいかない。
>Just because he's a child doesn't mean I have to forgive him.

こんなことだろう

[Anonymous No.]

Hey DJT, Firefox Quantum was recently released and all the old Japanese add-ons (Rikaichan, Characterizer) no longer work.

What do?

Run Palemoon/Waterfox or something?

Also, first time visiting, what is the difference between /jp/DJT and /int/DJT?

[Anonymous No.]

What do the baka-tsuki ratings on the reading list refer to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930526
/jp/ DJT is where all the autism of old DJT went.

/int/ DJT is where all the リア充 old old DJT went.


Also, Yomichan is your only option if you want a replacement capable of interfacing with Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

りあじゅうばくはつしろ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930554
Thanks for clearing that up.

Might take Yomichan for a spin, but I create new cards very selectively so am quite happy to keep hand-making them. Does Yomichan work with EPWING dictionaries?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930586
ガーン

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930591
>Does Yomichan work with EPWING dictionaries?
Yes, but it needs to be converted first via a program you can download from Yomichan's website. It's not difficult or anything, IIRC you just select the dictionary then click "OK" or "Convert" or something.

The Kenkyusha EPWING dictionary is pretty much unusable with Yomichan though because it doesn't separate the example sentences from the definitions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930634
Could you post a screenshot of how 研究社 looks in Yomi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930650
I don't have it installed anymore but maybe someone else can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930586
リア充死ね
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8oCoObsxGg

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930679
いきたままばくはつしろ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930679
かみ歌詞

[Anonymous No.]

wew first time i've seen DJT go to 1000 posts since i started 4 months ago

[Anonymous No.]

I'm allowed to hate parents who give bizarre readings to their kids' names, right?

[Anonymous No.]

千　：D

[Anonymous No.]

こ・・・後程

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930910
you wish you had a cool fuckin name like らいおんきんぐ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930910
As long as it isn't "Sapphire" ...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930958
>星の王子様

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930958
>>17930969
>にゃあ
That one too, what the fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930958

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930969
よくみて

玉子様とかいて

王子様とよまないといけないんだよ

一生

しかもサンテグジュペリとまぎらわしいし

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930958
>さとうさとう
何

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930893
We had another not too far back.

>>17663879

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930958
>心
>はあと

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930958
This is literally the exact same as ghetto moms giving their children name like Mirakal or Destiknee or LaBreonte isn't it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17931071
La-a

[Anonymous No.]

How can I improve my Japanese composition at a basic level? I'm going through Tae Kim and Sakubi but don't want my ability to write to get left behind.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are the example sentences in Tae Kim so fucking terrible?

None of them make sense as something anyone would ever say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17931094
Just had a chuckle remembering that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17931107
Because they're made up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17931101
By reading a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17931003
さとうしゅがぁ

よりはだいぶましだとおもう

[Anonymous No.]

I feel like my reading speed has slowed down. It's a terrible sluggish feeling and I feel awful for regressing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17931148
>I feel awful for regressing
Try not putting so much emotional stock in progress in Japanese. You'll feel better, and feeling better will help you get better at Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17931179
>Try not putting so much emotional stock in progress in Japanese
But it's one of the few good things I have in my life. But I get what you're saying. If I stress too much I'll just make it worse.

[Anonymous No.]

What would be a good first read for someone who has finished TK?

[Anonymous No.]

あんなふうに生きたいとか

こんなふうに生きたくないとか

おもえるひとがいるひとはまだ

しあわせのうちにいる

[Anonymous No.]

>>17931272
depends on your interests really, I think the first read should be something that keeps you motivated

[Anonymous No.]

>>17930958
>maririn