DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1859

[Anonymous No.]

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17887871

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder to not post if you're from reddit.
We can't stop you from coming here and eating our food so the least you could do is not shit all over the table while you do it.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know what page of HJGP the explanation for [volitional]とする is on? I can't find it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17905943
ようとする 367 660

[Anonymous No.]

>>17905971
Thanks.

There's no explanation under とする2, just two example sentences. Looks like the proper explanation is given under よう2 (specifically p660).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17905989
Yes, that's what the redirection means.

[Anonymous No.]

Been out of the game for a while. Any new worthwhile resources added on the past few months?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17905993
HJGP. A better DOJG, but unfortunately only exists so far in the form of individual .JPG files.

It was quite some time ago now, but KKLC came about as an alternative to RTK and KanjiDamage. Can't comment on any of those resources since I don't use them.

Besides that, I can't really think of anything.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906107
nigga at least rotate your image before posting

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906116
I'm not a phoneposter, I keep forgetting how it works

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906128
Learning how to use your phone efficiently is a more useful skill than Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906131
Okay I did rotate it that time fuck this

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906107
Most look bad. Especially 気 and 雨 - you just had to fuck up such beautiful forms. You need way more practice.

[Anonymous No.]

Last try

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906135
>>17906136

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906136
Needs some practice but I can read it fine. Better than a lot of doujinshi artists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906136
They look like a grade schooler. Real Japanese looks much worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906136
the stone is in need of practise

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906136
まあ悪くないな

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906136
Why would you post this when your handwriting is so bad? Do you also take pictures to show off your burnt food? Is your need for attention so insatiable that you seek out even negative attention?

If you told me these were the first kanji you'd ever written, I'd believe it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17905814

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906236
Okay no that crosses the line over into bad.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the difference between tae kim's 'grammar guide' the djt guide links to, and 'complete guide' sitting on top of it in sidebar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906136
Stop learning from fonts. Install a 教科書体 font from https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html..

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906136
That's better than a lot of natives. Don't listen to /djt/ niggers when they're really only just talking out of their arses.

[Anonymous No.]

そんな自分を卑下せんでも…お前、十分美人だろ
Is the first part "Still, I won't let you belittle yourself like that"? I know it's all very simple but causative confuses me a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906289
Maybe read the DJT guide and see what it says.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906308
You don't have to belittle yourself like that.
せん = しない, not させない

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906302
It's not illegible dogshit but it's definitely not fantastic. 金 is clearly incorrect, as is 耳, and I can't even tell what character precedes it. The guy doesn't have the feel for calligraphy yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906302
No it's not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906312
Nothing? "Advanced topics' is still under 'grammar guide'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906322
Not nothing. Read the fucking guide. The answer to your question is right there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906315
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906136
if you want nice handwriting then practice using grids or at least pay attention to proportion so that your character balance isn't so terribly off

[Anonymous No.]

If you desire nice handwriting, you need a better hobby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906269
a normalfag, on /jp/?
go away

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906358
Thinking you're disgusting doesn't make someone a normalfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906358
The image is a bad concept and bad execution. Please make loli DJT memes that suit my tastes, thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906236
>しきゅうにやさしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906289
The "complete" guide is a work in progress (i.e. incomplete) and has been for like 8 years now. I doubt if TK will ever finish it.

>>17906326
That's the resources page, not the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do they write 素的 with 敵 instead of 的. Just why. It's not simpler or anything, it's not more fitting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906409
It's an appendix to the guide. As an appendix, it is part of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906435
It's ateji. Don't worry about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906453
I understand that it's ateji. What I wonder about is, how did they come to use it instead of a meaningful kanji, and why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906455
http://gogen-allguide.com/su/suteki.html

It was originally written 素的 but 素敵 became popular (under one theory) by analogy to 敵わない.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906591
>叶う can also be written as 敵う
Oh fuck. That's enough Japanese for me for today. Still, thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

Should I be using the Hard/Easy buttons in Anki? I always just press "Good"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906621
Eh if it has a uk i'm not bothering to learn that kanji.
>>17906638
Just be honest with yourself or else that app is useless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906645
>Eh if it has a uk i'm not bothering to learn that kanji.

That kanji form, like many others marked with uk, is extremely common and you'll need to learn it if you want to be able to read Japanese. I doubt uk is even accurate for 叶う, if so it can't be more than like 51% kana-only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906670
not the guy but i read enough on sadpanda to know that the uk tag isn't reliable

[Anonymous No.]

How should I group my yomichan results for Anki mining?
There's three different options and I'm not sure which one to use.
I don't want to mine words in such a way that I have 12 meanings to memorize at once but I don't want to miss out on important information information.
どうしよう？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906236
I like it, almost forgot to do my reps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906621
IME they are used in different cases. 叶う means to fulfill (a wish etc), and 敵う means to match (ability etc).

[Anonymous No.]

Just memorize the sense you encountered it with or the first one and the rest will follow naturally from reading more. The Yomichan grouping is purely cosmetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906296
I'm learning from Jisho.org stroke orders

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906638
use easy on katakana words
good on words you got 100% right inside 5 seconds
hard on words you got 100% right beyond 5
beyond 10 is again
any part of it wrong, again

[Anonymous No.]

Why did Japanese have to be linguistically inferior to Mandarin?

What went wrong?

Why can't they just scrap their Kanji and Katakana and use Hiragana with spacing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906949
Because most of their words are literally Chinese so it makes complete sense to write them in Chinese.

Now if you wanted to abolish kun'yomi and ateji, sure, that would be great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906953
>abolishing japanese readings of japanese words in the japanese language
u wot.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

さむいというか

しつないからから

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906965
Abolishing kun'yomi != abolishing Japanese words.
Also, there are no "Japanese (ethnic/etymological) readings of Japanese (ethnic/etymological) words". There are only Japanese (ethnic/etymological) words. The "reading" is the actual word. It's for Chinese words where there is a "reading", not for Japanese (ethnic/etymological) words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906965
>japanese words
Corrupted chinese words*

[Anonymous No.]

I just started kanji and downloaded RTK. It doesn't have the pronunciation? So should I not bother with how it sounds at the moment and just focus on the meaning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906994
What does "started kanji" mean? What are you trying to learn? Where are you in studying Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906949
Too late. Anything written in the last 700 years would become inaccessible to the next generation. It would also kill the literary language because there are so many homophones that need kanji to distinguish them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907000
Honestly, I have no idea what I'm doing.

I memorized the kana and I wanted to go to the next step. I've read that vocab, grammar and kanji should at least be learned together.
So I'm trying to read Yotsuba and I do the core2k deck in Anki. And while doing that I'm reading through RTK.
Is that bad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906994
There's no sense in learning readings on their own since every kanji nearly has at least 2 (often many more) and there's no way of knowing which one any given word is going to use.

There's a general (very inconsistent) rule that compound words use onyomi, but many kanji have more than one onyomi reading, and there are tons of cases where compound words use the kunyomi reading instead, so this is of practically no help at all.

You should pick up the readings up by learning words.

[Anonymous No.]

i am learning japan!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906726

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907053
Cute image.

It doesn't matter that much what you do when mining. The important part is to make it easy to read a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907037
オナニーーーーーー！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906869
Download kanji study~~

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907055
How is it not important?
Anki grinding is one of the primary ways to memorize vocabulary (according to this place), and if I have shitty cards that barely tell me things, how am I going to make progress?
I am retarded and I have brainmatter constantly leaking out of my ears, if I don't hammer it in, it's gone for good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907070
You learn words by reading a lot. Memorizing words in Anki just makes it possible to read material above your skill level. It's different than "real" learning. In its own capacity, it's more important to memorize more words in Anki and learn more words from reading than it is for each individual memorized word to be of high quality, especially when you have to spend time and effort to figure out how to make that word's flashcard high quality to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907084
>time and effort making flashcards
Grab sentence with word. Cloze word. Reading and meaning on the back, repeat the sentence. Done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907100
Effort spent trying to figure out if the format you're using is good is still included.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906972
乾く? 気温は?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907084
Well, I still don't know what to do.
I'm not as much fixiated on high quality as I am on making sure that the cards I generate are actually digestible to a reasonable degree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907120
Pick something, change it later if it's not good, don't worry if the cards you already made were in a bad format because they're so few that they'll stop mattering after a week if/when you fix the format for new cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907022
>So I'm trying to read Yotsuba and I do the core2k deck in Anki. And while doing that I'm reading through RTK.
>Is that bad?
drop rtk
kanji are very rarely whole words, you will learn their sense in core with the words they make up
and by reading in context

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906949
Because the language wouldn't have sense, there are lot of "words" that have the same pronunciation but them can be distinguished by kanji the same with verbs they can have the same reading as other ones and the only thing by they can undertand them is the kanji, they tried to use the occidental alfabet but they couldn't guess why... 漢字
And part of the beauty of the language is its writing so don't complain please

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906726
This is where I think sentence cards might have an advantage over plain vocab cards. You only have to learn the specific sense of the word used in that sentence, rather than trying to learn a bunch of different meanings absent of any context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907125
If my cards sharply change format like this, it's going to be a bit disorienting since I've mined a few thousand words through Rikaisama already and mixing formats is going to look like shit and distract no matter how you slice it.
I'll dwell on it for a short while, maybe I'll just revert to a previous firefox version for Orikaisama or bite the bullet with Yomichan.
The jisho tabs on my phone are piling up, that's for sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907126
So just read Yotsuba and look up stuff I don't know while doing core2k?

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone know anything about how useful nihongoshark is?

(anywhere i could grab the pdfs for it?)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907182
use the reading pack, should be linked in the guide somewhere
and once thats done, use capture2text for things you dont know
once you're comfortable with tae kim, use:
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/
for lookup

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907100
>cloze deletion

[Anonymous No.]

>>17905814
I already know a little japanese, but I was thinking on doing core2K/6K.
How would you go about starting that deck? I think I might know around 75% of core 6K, so doing like may be 5 words per day seems really slow. Should I bury the cards or suspend them? If I bury/suspend the card, will it still count towards my 20 new cards per day limit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907227
Just hit easy a few times on cards you already know and they will be pushed many months ahead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907247
Yeah but I don't want to spend the first couple of months hitting easy on 一, 一人 and 食べる.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907227
If you already know 75%, why bother? Core isn't compelling content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907273
I'd like to pass some JLPTs sometime in the near future and the content I read doesn't have a lot of the vocab they use in JLPT.

[Anonymous No.]

Any good VN's that aren't moe or chuuni? In terms of my japanese ability I can read the ＮＨＫにようこそ ln pretty comfortably.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907282
Steins;Gate

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907296

The chuuni stuff in it isn't too hard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907282
Sakura no Uta

[Anonymous No.]

>want to read easy novel that looks interesting
>need to read harder material to prepare for the JLPT

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907328
Why not do both?
Why do people even take the JLPT, do you want to become an expat English teacher or is it PRIDE?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907328
>JLPT

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907335
Because they're dumb.

www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/git-up-git-up-git-down-jlpt-is-the-joke-in-yo-town-why-i-hate-the-jlpt-and-why-its-a-waste-of-your-time-and-money

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907227
Is there no better way to go about this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907341
I agree that JLPT is garbage, but you just linked to something even more garbage, congrats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907341
The person who wrote this blog post clearly doesn't know much about the hiring process.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907404
He lived (lives?) and worked in Japan so I think it's safe to say he knows more about it than you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907410
Living in Japan means having intimate knowledge of how companies hire people? Please tell me more about this connection.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906230

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907335
>>17907336
t. failed N3

[Anonymous No.]

I hate synonyms.

[Anonymous No.]

Hello. I would really like if someone could write down (in Japanese, of course) what the guy says from the 16:18 to 16:24 in this video
>https://www.google.com.ar/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://ww3.gogoanime.io/date-a-live-episode-3&ved=0ahUKEwi97aG9n8TXAhXDiZAKHbgdCzsQFggjMAA&usg=AOvVaw0AaTbsqdD4MobG2Esbl10r
I'm talking about the line that goes "if people refuse to accept you, I'll just accept you even more!"
Thanks in advance!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907413
>Lives in Japan
>Gains income in Japan
>Is employed in Japan
>Has gone through the hiring process in Japan
Already seems to know more than you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907562
He clearly doesn't know much about how HR departments work if he thinks that you're guaranteed to get an interview. Truth is if you're applying for a popular position you should be glad if they even read your cover letter, let alone invite you to an interview where they would potentially figure out that you speak Japanese at a near-native level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907508
Nvm, found it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906131
Please stop imitating computer fonts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17905814
支え　「ささえ」　Support, aid
支え　「つかえ」　Hindrance

Whose idea was to put opposite meanings but the same okurigana to these words?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906131
You couldn't write like this at any acceptable speed. The point is not being able to draw the characters nicely, the point is being able to actually write Japanese for practical purposes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907630
With all the homophones and the like, how is Japanese comedy not known for wordplay and double entendres?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907643
Should I be practicing writing kanji as quickly as possible while still coming out mostly intact then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907644
It is? It's common as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907649
I mean, I wouldn't say "as quickly as possible", but you should aim to be able to write Japanese at normal handwriting speed, I think.

I can't hand-write Japanese though so maybe you shouldn't be taking my advice

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907404
>>17907410
Khatz turned out to be from a rich family with royal connections and learned Japanese before even starting up his pseudo self-help/language learning online hybrid business. It was one big long running scam and he managed to get dumb people paying thousands of dollars upfront with over a year cooldown period before getting any refunds for his shitty entirely automated Japanese learning program.
The only way it could have been any more stereotypical is if he was Nigerian instead of Kenyan.

>>17907644
>how is Japanese comedy not known for wordplay and double entendres?
It is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907643
There are no practical purposes anymore. You might as well focus on being pretty if you're going to learn it at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907661
As someone who loves writing by hand, I disagree. I still write things out on paper all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is there a /djt/ thread on /int/ and /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907643
>>17907659
It's perfectly possible to write those characters at a decent pace, it's not like the picture posted was amazing calligraphy--it was below average handwriting. Don't talk about things you don't know

[Anonymous No.]

So will there ever be rikaisama for new firefox?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907699
We hate flags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907699
I really hate flags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907717
It's dead jimmy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907717
>firefox

RIP

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906131
Could be worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907018
I made this argument in detail in a previous thread, but the usual autists went berserk.

Good for you for realising this.

[Anonymous No.]

Yomichan or Rikaichamp?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907699
It was originally moved to /int/ but some autists freaked out, set up camp on /jp/ and after the meido got bored of deleting the threads, djt became a new resident in the /jp/ general graveyard. It was a bit messy at first but the situation has stabilised and while both threads are shells of what it was like on /a/, they are still chugging along in their own way.
It is useful in that you can ask a question on both threads and if one thread isn't helpful at the time, the other may be.

>>17907723
>we
You may, I don't really care about them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907761
Q: Do you do mining with it?
Y: Yomichan
N: Rikaichamp

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907477
Okay, WTF is 読みやすいいる supposed to be? What is いる doing there?

Then there's だか. We won't go into that.

Finally, your commas face the wrong way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907763
The reason why we freaked out is because fuck flags. You not caring about them doesn't mean you can leave the most important part of the story out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907796
Don't forget that the board is a desolate wasteland of reactionary racist garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907800

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907660
>Khatz turned out to be from a rich family with royal connections
Given that Kenya is a republic and doesn't even have a royal family, that's quite an interesting claim. But even if it were true, what would it matter? Is being rich and from an aristocratic background some sort of sin?

>and learned Japanese before even starting up his pseudo self-help/language learning online hybrid business.
Again, so? He learned Japanese and then made a blog about it. Why is that bad? Would you prefer that he had started blogging about learning Japanese while he was still a complete novice with no idea what he was talking about?

>It was one big long running scam and he managed to get dumb people paying thousands of dollars upfront with over a year cooldown period before getting any refunds for his shitty entirely automated Japanese learning program.
He didn't start doing that sort of stuff until ~5 years after he begun his blog. I won't defend his later behaviour, but to say that the blog was a scam from the start has no basis in reality.

Criticise him as much as you want for his scams, I won't defend him there. But be truthful about it at least, or you're no better than him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907800
Obviously, but I believe that wouldn't be as bad without the flags. Maybe. I suppose they must have been implemented for a reason and I have no idea what that reason is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907770
Okay I'm not claiming my grammar is any good

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907825
>Criticise him as much as you want for his scams, I won't defend him there. But be truthful about it at least, or you're no better than him.
It's pretty hard to not be better than a scammer, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907562
Look at this appeal to authority. You know almost nothing about him but are positive that he knows his shit just because he acts like he does.
Maybe he's not completely full of shit, but you certainly shouldn't assume so when you clearly have no real evidence to the contrary. That's not a good precedent to set for yourself, and will lead you to believe loads of bullshit from people who aren't completely incapable of selling their ideas.
>>17907825
He has never followed his own advice for any long period of time, which is self-evident in his posts endorsing experimental idiotic bullshit like paragraph cards that are followed up with yet another completely contradictory method with a line like "try either one !!!" that implies this hot new fad of the week has seemed like a good idea for all of 48 hours.
He also writes like a fucking hack who thinks he is funny. He was intolerable and a shit resource before he turned into a scam artist. The only thing he does right is manage to repeat a a few agreed-upon things stolen from other resources (like antimoon) out of every 20 idiotic untested claims, which is an inevitability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907899
Just admit you used a machine translator

[Anonymous No.]

How can the Yomichan interface suck this much. Reverted back to ff56.x and rikaisama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907945
enjoy the russian botnet

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907950
Already enjoying the google bootnet. Why else would I use FF if not for rikaisama?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907945
what part of the interface bothers you so much? the white background?
the forced formatting on mined cards?

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw do all my mining on a tablet with Rikaichan
Haven't used Rikaisama for a long while.

[Anonymous No.]

What's up with verbs like 切る and 掛ける where the dictionary has like two dozen different meanings? Am I missing something because some of the meanings seem like compete wildcards that even given context still aren't super obvious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907993
They're common words where many of their uses are strictly idiomatic (as in parts of idioms). EDICT is including those idiomatic (as in parts of idioms) definitions in the words themselves because it's bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907993
People tend to use common words for all sorts of weird shit just to frustrate people trying to learn languages. All you can do is grin and bear it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907996

not that bloke but do you know if 着ける is the same way? with the idioms and whatnot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908005
yes
かける, つける, and きる are the holy trinity of badly defined verbs

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907993
You'll only begin to understand them by encountering their various uses in the wild.
考えるな
感じろ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908002
No, they're called compound verbs, they are not designed to frustrate learners, and English too has a shitload of them.

Even worse, while Japanese compound verbs are pretty much invariably of the V1連用形+V2 type, English speakers frequently split them.

Consider: "When should I pick you up from the airport?"

"pick up" is an idiomatic compound verb, very different in meaning from "pick", but its components are split apart by their direct object. My students find this phenomenon extremely annoying and difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907940

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907940
I don't even see how a machine translation could produce that hot mess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908047
At least you got your commas right this tiime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906319
"You must first learn the rules; only then may you break them."

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908039
>My students find this phenomenon extremely annoying and difficult.
what do you say back, 我慢して or raise the pimp hand

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908096
Heh.

While the pimp-hand response is often tempting, I just try instead to appeal to their egos, praising them for when they *do* get it right, while pointing out that English grammar is infinitely less regular than that of Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

/djt/, what have you done to spread the good news of SRS learning systems?

I turned my mom into an ankidrone and I'm working on converting others as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908107
My nephew passed his exams with ease in forensics here in aus, but failed on first application to the coppers and is now just a high school science teacher
but whatever, not anki's fault

[Anonymous No.]

If intransitive verbs are supposed to be used with が like 車が止まります, then why does DIO say 時を止まれ? Genuine question here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908160
can you stop posting cats?
it reminds me of my dead cat

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908160
よ not を.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908047
Why are your periods centered? It's not a ○. Positioning is the same as the comma.
Your kanji proportions are not the worst I've seen (though none of them are very presentable), but some of your kana needs serious work, like す.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908168
Sorry anon.
>>17908170
Ah okay. So would I be correct to say that normally transitive verbs are used with the imperative form? How would intransitive verbs with the imperative form look like?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908107
What does she study with it? I've mostly heard of people using it for med school and occasionally for math definitions, I'd love to hear what else people have made work.
As someone who coasted through school and a bit of community college never learning to study but being afraid of classes that actually seem to require study, Anki has made me tempted to head back and get a "challenging" degree for the hell of it. I may be damaged. I've always enjoyed learning though, just not testing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908182
Exactly the same: standard 命令形.

世界よ半熟なれ！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908182

I should note that while intransitives tend not to show up in imperative form, they do have use. 遅かれ早かれ is one. (The かり stem derives from あり)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908182
I'm not sure what you're asking here. Both transitive and intransitive verbs can be used in the imperative form.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908190
>>17908199
>>17908207
Alright, I think I roughly get the idea. Thanks anons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908199
遅かれ = 遅くあれ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908227
Exactly.

遅い (文:遅し) cannot be directly inflected into an imperative form because it does not exist. Instead, it is made into its 連用形, あり's 命令形, あれ,
affixed, which, when contracted, gives 遅くあれ -> 遅かれ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908227
Wait till you realize where かった comes from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908184

She's just using it for language learning. Japanese has the most decks but pretty much all the popular languages have something like the X most frequent words and progressive sentence decks

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908236
No need to get that far into things right now, I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908234
>>17908236
Man, that seems really obvious now but I had never made the association for some reason. I guess I really need to get around to studying classical Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908243
You should definitely do so, but contraction are never obvious to non-natives, especially in a syllabary.

It was fun explaining to a student the lyrics in some rap song to a student. It was something like:

"Imma cap dis nigga".

I am going to ->
I'm going to ->
I'm gonna ->
Imma

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908265
That one actually has a "I gonna" stage. The copula is not necessary in AAVE for constructions of grammatical aspect if it is allowed to be contracted. In fact, the meaning changes slightly. "He running" means something different than "He's running".

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908265
Certainly not, but this one in particular is similar to たくはない　～　たかない which is extremely common.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908270
I guess I missed that one. I don't devote much time to studying patois, I just inferred the progression that seemed most logical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908282
It does work the way you described it in the other major dialects of English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908275
I've seen たくやない and たきゃない more often, but the comparison is certainly valid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908265
this leads me to believe 標準語 speakers kinda look down on 関西弁 users

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908294
I think of it as standard Canadian English, versus Newfie-speak. I suppose the view is slightly condescending, but mostly good-natured.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17905814

[Anonymous No.]

Can I get an easy LN rec? Heard GJ is good

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908294
>>17908307
Are there any dialects that have pariah status among others, like how Appalachian people are just immediately thought of as dumb as bricks to most outside of the south?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17905814
What does the そうにか form mean?
>立ちすくむ僕の顔を、気後れしたように上目遣いで窺いながら、沙耶は消え入りそうにか細い声で問うた

I understand the sentence and I thought of it as:
>Saya asked with a voice so thin it could vanish.
But can't quite explain why.

Also what's up with 問うた? is it just 問った?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17905814

Yo, I'd just like to extend a massive thanks to everyone who is responsible for the djt guide. I love you guys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908397
Just adds another layer of uncertainty to 消え入りそう.
問う is irregular, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_irregular_verbs#Euphony

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908397
>>17908414
か細い

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908418
Oh, right, I'm retarded. Ignore the first line of my post.

[Anonymous No.]

What the hell does this even mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908418
I'm fucking stupid, sorry, disregard my question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908425
ぎまん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908425
>フォルツアンド
It literally has the katakana on the side.

[Anonymous No.]

Please post your Anki statistics, thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908432

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908435
>4 seconds per review
Do you have a 5 second hard cap?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908441
its on ten seconds, and it does time out on some words
i give them time to 'bubble up' if that makes sense

[Anonymous No.]

I dislike Yomichan

[Anonymous No.]

>get lazy for three days
>don't do reps
>try to finish them all today
>can't remember a lot of them because didn't keep up
Remember minna, don't neglect your reps, do them every single day!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908468
Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908435
Why do you have uneven new cards?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908498
Why do my reps when I can just uninstall Anki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908515
Because uninstalling anki takes even more work than doing reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908519
You'd have to be doing an amount of reps so small that anki is worthless for that to be true.

[Anonymous No.]

Anki is my happytime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908506
at some point a long time ago I was only doing 15 new a day, not 20.
When I started, I thought 20 was too easy, bumped it up, then got quickly overwhelmed like a fool
back to defaults now, but my matures are still slipping out, and my young+learn is growing
I started doing a custom study, going over the last 2 days of forgotten cards, but I dont think its working. Ill give it another week

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908543
I cannot imagine how horrible your life must be that Anki makes you happy. Condolences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908599

not that bloke but I genuinely enjoy anki. waking up is fuckin blissful because I know I get to go do reps.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the difference between reviewing ahead and reviewing forgotten cards? Does reviewing ahead affect the time as well unlike forgotten cards?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908599
>I cannot imagine how horrible your life must be that Anki makes you happy.
Not him, but I enjoy language learning, Anki included. If you don't, you should probably figure out how to address that before you burn out. Keeping it fun is in my opinion the biggest obstacle for all learners, and is why I failed in prior attempts at not just Japanese but other languages as well.

[Anonymous No.]

ひどい

ひどいいちにちだったとき

あのんはどうやってたちなおるの

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908693
小動物の動画
いやしけい～

[Anonymous No.]

やさしくなけば

きずつくこともなかったのに

ひとは

びょうどうではない

[Anonymous No.]

This may sound like shitposting but it's a genuine question and not a complaint. Why do so many anons use reddit spacing in Japanese? It really stands out with that much vertical space between each short sentence (fragment).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908827
>reddit spacing
What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908827
There's nothing "Reddit" about it, you fucking loon, and there never was. The "Reddit spacing" term was forced by mentally ill argumentative autists that needed as many cop-out mechanisms as possible. If you seriously think there's something wrong with spacing out your paragraphs, there's something deeply wrong with you, and you should never come back here again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908833
Two linebreaks per "paragraph", I figured that term would be familiar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908811
誰かにこくって振られた？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908842
Yeah, uh, that's called a paragraph break, dude. You don't see anyone indenting their posts, do you? Then paragraph breaks it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908841
Jesus fucking christ I knew someone would get triggered. I really don't give a shit, and I fully understand that the only thing "reddit" about it is the idea of pressing enter twice.
It IS distracting when you have literally three kana surrounded by a blank line above and below, but I was asking a question, how oversensitive can you be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908844
>paragraph
Do you see why I'm confused? No one writes paragraphs here in Japanese. One line isn't a paragraph.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908827
There is nothing new about leaving one empty line between paragraphs on 4chan

You should go back to plebbit

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908843
くつかくされた

みじめ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908827
>uses meme words
>not shitposting
Could have just asked nicely, but no

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908845
>but I was asking a question, how oversensitive can you be?
If your posts encourage rank fucking stupidity then everyone with standards should call you out on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908845
No, Anon, you are just mentally ill and use Reddit as a scapegoat for things you personally dislike. If anyone is getting "triggered" by anything here, it's you, and your toxic antisocial behavior is the only reason I'm responding to you. Fuck off and don't come back until you get a grip on reality. Maybe consider going to this "Reddit" place you like talking about so much, it's full of people who enforce their personal worldview on others, that's why it has voting mechanisms. 4chan might be a place for outcasts but it is definitely not a place for people like you to passive-aggressively micromanage other people's completely normal behavior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908846
Anything followed by a hard line break in normal writing (i.e. not poetry or text art) is a paragraph.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908847
>new
Didn't imply it was new.
>>17908857
>>uses meme words
>>not shitposting
Land of memes here, I used what people would immediately understand.
>>17908858
>encourage rank fucking stupidity
I've seen passive discussions use the term before, and I tried to give you a proper trigger warning. This is a safe space, consider who is getting outraged here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908865
Not /jp/ related. Fuck off back to /int/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908860
>and use Reddit as a scapegoat for things you personally dislike.
I literally only used the term because it's so fucking prevalent. I don't give a fuck. Honestly didn't know /djt/ would have such a strong reaction.
>passive-aggressively micromanage
It was an honest question about behavior that I found particularly strange for SINGLE SENTENCES. I wouldn't even bring it up in more dense text. Still not judging, curiosity is a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908865
>I tried to give you a proper trigger warning
Warning people that you are about to say something incredibly fucking stupid does not absolve you of responsibility for, or make you immune to criticism for saying something incredibly fucking stupid.

>consider who is getting outraged here.
Everyone from 4chan who has standards. The place that you decided this is the "land of memes" and therefore must communicate in them indicates that you clearly don't have any.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908870
Not /jp/ related. Lurk more and fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908869
>Not /jp/ related.
Was asking about typing standards as it pertains to typing in Japanese particularly in /djt/, my bad.
>Fuck off back to /int/.
Never been to /int/.
>>17908883
>Lurk more
Wouldn't answer my question, but I clearly underestimated the gut reaction of the term on this board since I haven't been on 4chan consistently since 2006-8. Fucking off.

[Anonymous No.]

as a beginner I find it helpful that posts all in hiragana are spaced out, it makes up for the lack of kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908850
この世ぞ苦しき物なり

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908903
In a month or two you'll just ignore those posts because it's a pain to read without kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908927
If yer gonna go all literary, ya gots ta tack on that there 連体形, man.

この世ぞ苦しき物なる

[Anonymous No.]

お腹すいたわ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17909080
どっちもせいかいだとおもうよ

どっちもごろがわるいからごろはあわせて

>きょうのそら　くるしみのあめ　とうとうと

おちこんできた

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese should just adopt Hangul unironically

[Anonymous No.]

>>17909267
If you're gonna make every generation post-new script adoption unable to read anything that came before that then you might as well have them write everything using the latin alphabet and change their national language to English.

[Anonymous No.]

矮小陰茎

[Anonymous No.]

平均９㌢

[Anonymous No.]

Is dictionary form verb +yo a command form?

[Anonymous No.]

Post the ugliest kanji you've found so far.

Mine is 〆

[Anonymous No.]

How do I mine on Firefox now? Damn update!!

[Anonymous No.]

８巻でるって

>>17909508
よはあんまりつかわないよ

ろをよくつかうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17909523

But it can be used that way right? Like yo can be used after a name to address someone, but it is archaic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17909522
Mine just updated too... I'll install yomi soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>17909523
見にくいよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17909533
なまえ＋よは

ぜったいつかわないです

[Anonymous No.]

I am getting discouraged, /jp/. I've started in May or June. I am also forgetting kanji/radicals, and I feel reading would help, but I don't know enough to read, one, and if I did decide to read, I couldn't introduce new kanji into the deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17909533
ＹＯをいっかいでもつかったら

いちにちじゅう

いじめられるとおもう

[Anonymous No.]

>>17905814
when were you when rikaisama was finally kill?

i dont get how the yomichan import tool works with the jmdict zip at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17909622
世知辛い

[Anonymous No.]

Is the Lenova Tab 4 a good buy for a tablet to read manga and light novels in Japanese on? Tablets have gotten really cheap and I'm ready to pull the trigger before it gets cold and I have something to do in bed. Also is there good android tools for translating what I don't know? I still consider myself a beginner but want to read more to improve my skills and this seems like the most comfortable option for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17909508
You don't even need よ, just the dictionary form said forcefully is used as a slangy command.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17909603
Are you learning whole words? Obviously the only answer is to go faster and start reading ASAP. Going slow is not going to make it easier, it's going to make you give up because you're not seeing any results.

[Anonymous No.]

After starting my shitty normie job, I only have the energy to ankidrone. Sitting down and actually trying to understand Japanese text is too draining after a 12 hour shift.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17909825
You should work less then. Think about how you're surrendering your free will, and whether it's worth it at all, tolerating such a yoke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17909865
It's at the very least enough to keep my lifestyle independent, which is important too. Though I could probably make a case for autism and start raking in autismbux.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17909825
What do you want to learn it for? I'm sure with it you'd be able to get a nicer job doing what you love and using it daily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17909913
Just my dumb hobbies. Old vidya, untranslated manga and anime, probably for the most part no different from anyone else here. It'd be cool to one day be good enough to work as a translator, but I hear that's a field that doesn't have a ton of work to go around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17901585
Old post but I wanted to respond

"Muzukashii" in taiko doesn't mean difficult, it's literally just the name of the difficulty level. It's not meant to describe the difficulty, it's just its name.

If you say "I play Taiko on difficult" no one will know for sure whether you're talking about Muzukashii which translates as difficult (and is actually easy as shit) or Oni which is actually difficult

[Anonymous No.]

>>17909657
You know you can just trash Firefox 57 and reinstall 56.0.2, which can run Rikaisama or Orikaisama no problemo.
Just make sure to disable updates.
That's what I just did since Yomichan is くそ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910183
Or you can downgrade to Vista and install 52 ESR and never worry about updates at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910125
It means difficult just as much as any difficulty called difficult in any western game means difficult. You're prescribing nuance that isn't there. You don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Time to use Yomichan I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910398
>You don't know Japanese.

Probably true but he can't be worse than you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910429
I'm pretty bad but it's pretty hard to believe that someone who makes statements that stupid would be better than me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17909818
I just started vocab a month or two ago. Might take a break from adding kanji for a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910483
Again and again I realise how stupid it is to learn kanji in isolation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910512
If it's so stupid why do people still do WaniKani and RTK?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910536
Because they are stupid? I don't know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910536
It gives you a firmer recognition of kanji than you'll get if you only learn vocab. You won't be tripped up as often by very similar looking kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910536
As someone who still very frequently mixes up, for example, 遠い, 遅い, and 速い, I've considered quite a few times trying isolated kanji study. I hear it really helps with that sort of thing. At the same time, I also don't want to slow down on learning new vocab, which already takes a big chunk of my study time to begin with, so I'm hoping that just by reading enough I'll learn to naturally distinguish them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910597
>>17910626
Recognition won't be a problem if you're writing words down when doing en-to-jp cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910693
>doing en to jp
>EVER
I can understand writing, but what the fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910711
For the sake of writing kanji, obviously. You'd recall the word with ease if you already did jp to en anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910398
>It means difficult just as much as any difficulty called difficult in any western game means difficult
Any Taiko player who's played more than a month will tell you this is wrong.

Unless your claim is that there's a mountain of western games out there where the Hard setting is actually the third Easy setting and 50% of the rest of the game sits behind a setting so hard it might as well have been a different game.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm interested in hearing opinions on what are some wise study methods going forward. Labels aren't helpful so I'll say that I've been studying for about 2 years, I have about 5,500 cards activated in core6k, about 500-1k in mining deck, I've watched about a dozen shows (some ~20 min anime, some ~40 dramas) (w/ subtitles), I've read 6 ~200 page light novels and am halfway through another, I've watched a handful of 90 min-2 hour movies (w/ subtitles), read through some hobby related articles, etc. etc. I'm trying to think if there's any good helpful supplements that I should add to my consumption time, particularly I've been thinking about bettering my Kanji recognition. But I'm not an absolute beginner, so I don't know if something like a KKLC program would be worth adding.. or if there is some other setup altogether that would be a wiser for someone farther along. What do you think?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910744
>Unless your claim is that there's a mountain of western games out there where the Hard setting is actually the third Easy setting
Congratulations, you just figured out how difficulty settings are labelled!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910748
I don't think you can ignore half a sentence and declare victory like that but ok

this is just off-topic shit anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910758
The second half is a reiteration of the first half in more subjective terms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910626
As someone with 100 years of reading experience and 0 of isolated kanji study, I can tell you that it won't be too long before you distinguish them naturally even if you don't do isolated kanji study. Those are extremely common words, after all.

[Anonymous No.]

Just finished Flyable Heart. Suzuno's route ended up only talking me yesterday and today to finish (not counting the common route scenes which I read the day before yesterday). I must've read absolutely fuckloads yesterday because I finished it after only a few hours of reading today.

And with that, my first VN (or first anything) in Japanese comes to an end. I'm not sure exactly how long it took me in the end because I don't remember the precise date when I started reading it, but I think it was late July or early August, so I estimate around 3 and a half to 4 months.

Guess I'll just briefly summarise my experience, as far as I can remember it. When I first started reading it, there were so many lines that I could make little to no sense of at all, and the pace at which I could read was also very slow. At some point though, I can't remember exactly when it happened, but all of a sudden one day I just realised I was understanding most of what I read without much difficulty. As time went on, rather than rarely encountering a line I didn't struggle with, it became the reverse situation where I most of the lines gave me little if any trouble and truly incompressible lines were few and far between.

And now my takeaways from the experience:
- It is critically important that you enjoy/are interested in what you're reading. If the beginning of Flyable Heart hadn't caught my interest and got me to push myself onward in spite of how much I was struggling with it, I'm sure I would've just given up after a few days and been left full of negative feelings about my own abilities/intelligence ("I'm too dumb to learn Japanese", etc.).
- I should've used Anki. I did learn some words just from reading but I'm sure I could've learned so many more if I had taken advantage of Anki. I'll mine whatever I read next for sure.

I think that's about all I have to say for now. Maybe I'll think of something else to add later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910746
>I've been thinking about bettering my Kanji recognition
This is the closest thing to a "problem" I could identify in your post, and if you don't have an actual problem with kanji, there's not really a reason to focus on it.

Just keep doing what you enjoy the most, whether it's anime, LNs, movies or Anki. You're at the level where that's probably something at pretty constructive, at least compared to what a beginner would do, so there's no reason to stop or do less.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910746
Listen up my dude. Comprehensible input matters more than anything by a significant margin, a huge margin. And what you're telling me is that in TWO years, you've read SIX books, and watched A DOZEN shows. The problem here is beyond obvious, and what you should do is equally obvious: READ MORE. Anki means nothing if you don't read. Kanji recognize means nothing if you don't read. KKLC doesn't matter if you don't read. You need to read way, way more. Reading should dwarf every other activity you do and it should be your priority by a long shot. Basically it's like this: You don't "study Japanese until you can read", you study Japanese BY reading - if you try to "study until you can read", you'll end up sucking at Japanese even after a decade of studying. Read more! I don't know what your reading speed is, but a volume of manga a day or a *whole* light novel a week is what I was aiming for after two years of studying. If I ask you how many LNs you've read your answer should be "uuuh" because you've read so many you don't even fucking know how many there are. You won't be good at Japanese until you've read hundreds of books and watched hundreds of shows. Maybe even thousands, for native-level fluency. Get to work, son.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910790
Was it good?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any supplement I can take for focus? I haven't been in school in a decade and this is the third time I've tried to use DJT to learn. I never had this much trouble in classes ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910849
When struggling you shouldn't immediately think "is there a drug to solve my problems". You need to look within yourself first. You have control of yourself, identify what's causing you problems and solve them through your own power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910790
Good job anon. My first VN was this https://vndb.org/v15473 and I had a lot of fun with it. The biggest hurdle is how slow your reading speed is compared to English but the more you read, the better it gets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910849
everyone I know with great focus has never touched this website with a 10 foot pole

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910790
>At some point though, I can't remember exactly when it happened, but all of a sudden one day I just realised I was understanding most of what I read without much difficulty
I experienced something similar with my first VN but looking back I'm pretty sure it was "building an increased tolerance for skimming because I want to know what happens next more than I want to fully understand what already did"

[Anonymous No.]

rote memorization with little context is killing me

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910804
>>17910810
Thanks, appreciate the input. I'm interested if there are any more views, but this adds a little more confidence to allowing reading itself to sort out any issues.

[Anonymous No.]

When is it a good idea to start reading? I have about 250 words in anki right now but I hate the anki grind. Haven't studied grammar much yet (only up to the "adjectives" part of tae kim).

Should I try to finish tae kim and then immediately go to reading or is it better to learn more words first?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910886
You already know this from the way you phrased your post: Start memorizing with context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910825
Mostly. I didn't like Amane's route or Mayuri's, and some parts of the common route were not so good, but I enjoyed the rest. Thanks to the story's overarching mystery, even when it wasn't so great, I still had a reason to keep reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910902
> Haven't studied grammar much yet
And you're fucking around with flashcards and posting here why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910902
Posts like this make me wonder what the hell you people are starting to read with. I started with porn and never had any of this "When do I start reading?" angst.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910914
I'm scared to focus a lot on grammar at once because I'm scared I'll forget it if I can't apply it immediately. Also I think I'm subconciously falling into the same pattern in which I was taught languages in school, which is learning a bunch of words first, then grammar, and then finally reading.

>>17910916
I want to read compelling content but I want to actually get enjoyment out of it, so that I don't "waste" compelling content by trying to read it and not understanding anything at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910943
>I want to read compelling content but I want to actually get enjoyment out of it, so that I don't "waste" compelling content by trying to read it and not understanding anything at all.
No. Bad. Try anyway. If you really enjoy something, you can always reread it later.

The entire point of focusing on compelling content is that it makes you want to read more, to study more, to understand it.

You should read through grammar guides as quickly as you can without focusing on memorizing, too. Memorization will come with practice. Try Setsubi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910943
Your mindset is all wrong. Think about what happens when you try reading non-compelling material in English. It's fucking boring and before long you drop it. Now think about what's going to happen if you try forcing yourself to read non-compelling content in a language that you barely understand. It's going to be an utterly miserable experience, one which you won't keep up for very long at all.

[Anonymous No.]

has DJT ever thought about writing their own stories at lower language levels for other anons. I'm talking Clifford the Big Red Dog levels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910943
I don't think you're going to be reading anything interesting very soon if the most advanced grammar concept you've learned so far is the "adjective"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910992
Consuming the productions of non-natives is the worst thing you can do for your language ability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911002
It's useful to produce, but don't show it to us. We don't care. There are websites dedicated to language practice that you should use if you're interested in this kind of thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911015
It's more than "we don't care". Consuming productions made by non-natives is actively bad for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910992
I'd rather do 10000 cards in anki than read something asinine written for retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911019

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911019
I'd rather read some garbage webnovel than do anki.
Anki makes me so bored and I can hardly do it for 10 minutes without losing interest.

[Anonymous No.]

>all these volumes and volumes of ez manga I just gotta get over the hump and grind to get there

help me bros

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911083
What's the problem, exactly? Reading manga is fun, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911157
Nothing is fun for me anymore.
I'm only learning Japanese as a distraction from my crippling depression and anxiety.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911157
I mean I have to get a good grasp on grammar and some more kanji and then struggle through a lot of reading material before I can just go and read without agonizing slowness

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911163
Are you me?

[Anonymous No.]

is there anything more effective than anki? i hate anki.
I've been using memrise

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911209
You shouldn't be asking what is most effective. You should be asking what's the best balance between effective and fun.

[Anonymous No.]

Stop whining and do your reps.

[Anonymous No.]

>A new Metal Max game is coming to PS4 this spring
Has an upcoming piece of media ever made you double down on studying?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911248
Persona 4 made me start learning Japanese. I'm already at a level where I could play it, the problem is that I still don't own a PS3 or PS4.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911163
Doing Anki every day helps me feel like I'm not wasting my life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911262
That's no problem, the best version of P4 is on Vita/PSTV

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911271
Uh, wait, I meant P5. I've already played P4G in Japanese (the first 20-30 hours, at least)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911248
No because I've come to realize that current Japanese media is as soulless as their Western counterparts. There is nothing to be found in it, nothing interesting to learn from it. I've also never heard of Metal Max.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911281
Sucks to be you. I sold my soul to the soulless media industry and started reading terrible web novels written by people who did the same years ago. Life is good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911262
Persona 4 wasn't even released on PS3 or PS4. It was released on PS2 so as long as you have a PC, you can play it just fine with an emulator like PCSX2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910790
Take it to the visual novel general next time. You faggots are the main reason djt got booted out of /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911290
>>17911275

[Anonymous No.]

>>17905814
Yomi Chan doesn't work with the template html file I use for text hooking, does anyone know why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911297
Isn't it time for your weekly promise to leave DJT forever, you pathetic Australian manbaby?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911285
Well, there're still relics of the past to be found. I've set my sights on Moon RPG Remix for now. Now I just need to find the time to properly sit down and play it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911297
Go fuck yourself. I enjoyed reading his post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911297
How about you leave instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911297
First post from this IP.

[Anonymous No.]

You guys do know about the report button, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw you need to write a 500 character japanese essay by monday
Give me a clever topic that a rough n5 can handle, guys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911376
Objectification of women in the Japanese pornographic industry

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911376
Objectification of men in the Japanese pornographic industry

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911376
Objectification of faceless old men in the Japanese pornographic industry

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911376
lolis

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911376
anki
kanji study vs learning kanji through vocabulary
tae kim vs genki vs imabi vs sakubi
whether manga is reading or not

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911436
>whether manga is reading or not
What the hell would it be, then? I sure as hell am not listening to the words

[Anonymous No.]

any significant difference between 髪 and 髪の毛?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911467
>髪の毛
less likely to be misunderstood as 神.

[Anonymous No.]

>you have to convert the epwing dics so they work with yomichan
めんどくせー

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911281
You should look into Metal Max if you're into JRPGs at all. Most of the entries are retro, and they're all fantastic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911512
It's actually really quick and easy. It takes much longer to import the converted dictionaries into Yomichan than it does to actually make them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911512
>>17911527
The real problem with Yomichan and EPWING dictionaries is that Yomichan (or the converter program) can't tell the difference between the definitions and example sentences in the Kenkyusha dictionary (which is almost always better than EDICT), so whenever you hover over a word the pop-up gets flooded with 50 billion example sentences making it pretty much unusable.

I can't remember if this happened in Rikaisama as well, but I have the feeling that it didn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911570
Rikai let you exclude things using regexes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911436
>whether manga is reading or not
what is it then

[Anonymous No.]

Is skipping new words in anki a bad thing? Depending on how busy I am I feel like 20 words a day is a bit much for me sometimes, so I skip some days and only revise old words. Will that interfere with the way anki works?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911623
Do your reviews every day. Do new cards if you're not burned out. Don't turn off new cards for several days in a row, if you feel like you have to, you have to reduce your new cards per day instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911623
Doing your reviews or not doing your reviews is the only thing that will fuck up the spaced repetition system.

[Anonymous No.]

Will load balancer fuck up the SRS?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911647
Nope.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

はだざむいよりさむい

もういちまいおふとんないかな

[Anonymous No.]

To be honest, I don't even wanna import the epwing dictionaries, since the yomichan window looks horrible. It feels like it wastes so much space. I'm not sure what the compact tags option does. The compact glossaries option makes everything a bit better, but I'm still doubtful about Yomichan's efficiency.
Somehow, it's amazing how the popup window packs in all that complexity of having multiple colors, and these colored tags, yet only manages to be more tiring for the eye; not one bit more functional. It's like adding additional terrain for my eye to traverse before it gets to its destination. Less would indeed be more in this case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911671

I've never seen white + purple look good together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911703

wait nevermind. Frieza's final form is a great design. OTHER THAN THAT THOUGH

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911703
It would look so much better if the background was very dark grey with the text being light grey or white.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911671
>It feels like it wastes so much space.
Probably because it does. Furigana should be changed to hiragana and put on the same line as the kanji like in Rikaisama. That would save a lot of space right off the bat. That huge "JMdict (English)" tag should be able to be disabled too. He should get rid of the "n", "vs", etc. buttons as well and just convert them to text in brackets like with rikaisama -> (n,vs).

It's almost like the current design was purposely made to waste as much space as possible.

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe he'll change the design to something that doesn't suck if enough people complain about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911784
>>17911758
>>17911671
https://github.com/FooSoft/yomichan/issues

How about telling him that directly rather than moaning about it in this thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911671
Compared to rikaisama it fucking does.
Trash white background color for no reason, a huge square even if its only a single entry.
I really hope the retard of dev adds more customization options, because as it is right now its really annoying.

[Anonymous No.]

Just revert to 56.0.2 and use Rikaisama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911838
Security vulnerabilities are no joke.

Treat this is additional incentive to stop relying on popup dictionaries so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911838
I reverted back to Vista and downloaded ESR 52.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911880
Just run everything inside a VM for the optimal Rikaisama experience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911880
It's less about the dictionary and more about the non-shit Anki integration.
If only I could have two versions of firefox on my PC at the same time, one for mining words and one for normal use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911313
>Yomi Chan doesn't work with the template html file I use for text hooking, does anyone know why?
pls respond

[Anonymous No.]

This is Mozilla telling you to man the fuck up. Do you want to rely on text hookers and pop-up dictionaries forever?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911919
>If only I could have two versions of firefox on my PC at the same time
You could have the 32bit an 64bit installed together. Just make sure to disable updates on one of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911930
I'll try that tomorrow.
Is Rikaisama fully dead now or is someone working on a port for the new addon API?
I've heard that Rikaichan is being ported, but it (obviously) lacks all the bells and whistles of Rikaisama.

[Anonymous No.]

So, how important is stroke order for hiragana and katakana?
I plowed through it quickly and didn't memorize the stroke order at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911945
>Is Rikaisama fully dead now or is someone working on a port for the new addon API?
rikaichamp is a fork for the new extensions. No mining capability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912009
Will there ever be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912021
im the wrong person to ask:
https://github.com/birtles/rikaichamp/issues

[Anonymous No.]

I'm so fucking stupid that I'm having trouble with TaeKim's grammar guide, like the very first fucking lesson.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912009
Rikaichamp is a fork of Rikaichan, not Rikaisama. It's goal, according to its page on Mozilla, is to be more lightweight and simple than Rikaichan, so I don't see it ever being a replacement for Rikaisama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912035
I'm not going to be some obnoxious retard bothering him by begging for a feature he probably has no interest in adding.
See:>>17912058

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912058
Ah i see.
>>17912021
its never getting mining after all

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any tools out there that can help you read kana at a high wpm?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912096
Reading faster than is natural only results in reduced comprehension and memorisation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912140
I mean for learning to go from "slower than natural" to "natural".

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912166
It's kana. You're going to get so much exposure to them that you'll end up reading them quickly no matter what you do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912096
It's called "reading". Just think back to the times when you first learned how to read as a kid and what amount of reading it took for you to get good at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912216
Kids are freakish mutants with superpowers and you shouldn't get discouraged if you're learning slower than you remember.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912228
Kids are worse than adults at learning how to read any language, even their own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912216
You imagine it'd be detrimental to read texts of which you don't understand or even known the words? ie forming bad habits?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912242
It's not. The only things that are detrimental are forcing yourself to produce things you don't completely understand at the intuitive level, and consuming productions made by non-natives.

[Anonymous No.]

Should I be trying to memorize the kanji in Tae Kim? Or should I just focus on the grammar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912240
Not really. I used to read really simple materials as a kid, yet I got to read more complex stuff in a matter of 2 years. The said can't be said about NIHONGO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912253
You sure weren't reading adult novels at that second year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912252
You should mostly focus on grammar, use anki for vocab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912253
You're vastly overestimating your progress as a kid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912096
Sing along to songs whose lyrics you do not know well. You'll have to read kana on the fly, or at least fast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912263
Thanks. Because the guide throws so many at you in the beginning that it's hard to keep track.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912266
I mainly just sound out untranslated sfx's rom the manga I read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912269
Uh huh. The first time I tried to learn Japanese, I made flash cards of all the vocab in Tae Kim as I went. All it did was slow my pace on grammar and vocab at the same time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912256
My dad had a bookshelf of old fantasy crap like Xanth novels and popular sci-fi. I was reading from it within a year of learning to read.

I'm not sure if they could be considered adult (they sure as hell aren't literature) but they're a step up from Animorphs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912273
自閉症児

[Anonymous No.]

>>17906136
i hope no native japanese people ever see this

[Anonymous No.]

Does a VN being in NVL format* indicate that it's probably quite difficult?

* https://vndb.org/g43

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912497
No, it just means it's garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912499
Other way around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912497
Why would it be more difficult? It's just a different way of representing the text.

>>17912499
>>17912532
Neither, there's great and garbage VNs for both formats

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911927
Anons I....

[Anonymous No.]

So my goal is to go to winter comiket 2018. Starting from pretty much no Japanese knowledge right now, is that a sensible goal? Planning on spending maybe an hour a day actively studying Japanese, plus whatever amount of time I might spend on compelling content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912557
If by going to Comiket you mean being able read signs and such to find your way around, have basic conversations with doujin artists and actually know what you're buying, then yeah, maybe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17911945
If you used Rikaisama to just read VNs or digital LNs, along with the Clipboard Inserter addon, then you could keep apart a copy of FF56.x for just that. Very easy to do:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1170758

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912564
Yeah, just being able to make basic conversation with people and being able to actually understand the stuff I'd be buying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912541
>Why would it be more difficult? It's just a different way of representing the text.
Makes it look/feel more like a book, so I was wondering if it meant that the language used in VNs formatted this way was more like an actual book as well.

Also, checking the tag, I noticed Dies Irae, often brought up as being quite a difficult VN, is in this format, which made me think there might be something to my hunch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912568
I used it to mine words, but I guess installing Firefox like that would allow me to that as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912583
With the disclaimer that I'm a total newbie and I can't actually read Japanese, I haven't noticed NVL VNs having more difficult language (in English translation, but I don't see why that would be considerably different in Japanese).

And of course, one difficult VN being in NVL format doesn't mean anything; SubaHibi is also typically considered a difficult VN and it's in ADV format.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912590
Wouldn't use an old browser version to casually browse around the internet, though...
Yomichan has one (one) advantage: it indicates if the word already exists in your anki deck. I guess it does the job when casually browsing around.
Rika has more speed and less clumsiness when parsing words, more beautiful UI with names,kanji,various dictionaries in different windows that you can toggle with a single key. It's overall more advanced than Yomichan.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912611
>Wouldn't use an old browser version to casually browse around the internet, though...
Stop being a paranoid fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm soon 3 months in and I can read and understand nhk easy news and simple manga pretty good. However I'm at a point where if I try to read anything more difficult way too many kanji that I don't know stops me from learning and reading properly. As an example I tried reading a non-easy article on NHK and it was way over my head.

Should I stay away from more difficult material until I've got enough kanji and compounds under my belt or go at it right now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912597
Well, there's one which I've heard many times is difficult, but there are others there which I imagine to be quite difficult as well like Fate/Stay Night, Tsukihime and Umineko.

I wouldn't try using English translations as a basis for judging a VNs original difficulty level. You never know how much it's been dumbed-down, changed, etcetera. Maybe the person who translated them doesn't have a particularly broad vocabulary in English and couldn't phrase things with the same subtlety with which they were phrased in the original. Maybe the translator or editor was inept and did a bad job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912645
If you only ever read easy material, you will only ever be able to read easy material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912650
F/SN is ADV for the vast majority, with only parts in NVL format.

>I wouldn't try using English translations as a basis for judging a VNs original difficulty level.
While true for individual VNs I think that if you consider a bigger number of VNs in English translation and you don't see a big difference in how difficult the language is between NVL and ADV formats, the same would probably go for the original Japanese.
Of course, I don't really know. Why not just try it out? That's the best way to find out, after all. I think that even if there is some connection between NVL format and more difficult VNs, it doesn't matter nearly as much as just the fact that some VNs are more difficult than others (regardless of format)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912643
Keeping your browser updated isn't being a paranoid fuck, you moron. You have to actively try to disable updates and for good reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912643
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912679
>Keeping your browser updated isn't being a paranoid fuck, you moron
I'm not talking about that, you retarded shitstain. You saying you shouldn't browse on the internet using an older version of a browser just because you think you're going to get a virus or some stupid shit is being paranoid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912683
Go install Common Sense 2017. You'll never have a problem with your computer again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17907644
かえるが鳴いたらかえる

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912700
Keeping your software up to date so that security holes actually get patched is part of Common Sense 2017, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912693
>You saying you shouldn't browse on the internet using an older version of a browser just because you think you're going to get a virus or some stupid shit is being paranoid.

>>17912700
>Go install Common Sense 2017.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/

Any vulnerability marked "critical" can cause you to get absolutely any kind of malware just by casually browsing the internet and not interacting with anything directly.

It's not paranoia, you're just fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17908425
the kanji means "to lie to oneself", the katakana reads forzando

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912737
Then install the addon that blocks scripts.
You're just an idiot that oedsdn't know jack shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912754
Javascript vulnerabilities are rare, dumbass. Most vulnerabilities come from things like parsing images or fonts, or memory bugs in the CSS/HTML layout engine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912754
Please stop posting anon, do us all a favor.

[Anonymous No.]

trying to set up my anki connect atm
should i just be usig front/back cards? also what type of value should i put in for each?
sorry i am new to anki :(

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912776
ironic shitposting is just shitposting
in case you're not shitposting, know that this is not the place for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912282
So I really shouldn't try and memorize these now?

[Anonymous No.]

The real question here is if you'll be safe visiting facebook, reddit, 4chan, etc. and nothing that isn't a huge site used by millions of people. That's what casual browsing is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912790
No, you won't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912787
No. If you used Sakubi,, you would have known that memorizing vocab while doing grammar is useless and slows you down.

[Anonymous No.]

I still use Vista because I'm poor and too lazy to find/download/install a pirated copy of win7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912803
Just switch to xubuntu already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912807
Like I said, too lazy. Maybe once I get a virus that's hard to delete then I'll do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912809

you don't even have to go into bios to install xubuntu, you can just install it from the desktop.

[Anonymous No.]

I know arabic calligraphy

Is japanese any harder?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912809
I'm too lazy to uninstall windows 10. You fell off the path of least resistance somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912817
You don't have to go into the bios to install any OS, m8.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912787
If you do feel any sort of need to memorize yourself some vocab at the outset of your studies, memorize the vocabulary section. Memorizing just kanji on its own isn't useful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912654
I feel like reading difficult content without enough kanji is just not worth it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912839

You'll at least need to go to the boot menu, same shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912597
Subahibi is not considered difficult. Maybe a few philosophical parts could be difficult to understand but that has little to do with the language. http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912912
Correct. Subahibi is considered a "bad first VN", but that doesn't mean it's difficult in an objective sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912918
Why is it a bad first VN, then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912928
Because it's shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912912
I was under the impression that it was, but I must be wrong then. Thanks for correcting me!
>>17912932
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912928
The prose is completely ordinary Japanese without holding anything back, and the content conveyed by that prose is elaborate and easy to not understand if your comprehension if the prose isn't good enough. A beginner will basically not understand entire scenes because they won't understand the prose.

[Anonymous No.]

subahibi is a meme vn

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any good way of texthooking 1280x720 VNs on a 1920x1080 screen? The VN itself takes up so much of my screenspace that there's hardly any room left for Firefox.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912982
spark reader

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912982
get a second monitor it's 2017

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912984
I'm poor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912957
As far as I can tell, every VN worth talking about is a meme VN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913019
"meme VN" doesn't even mean anything. It's a shitty insult that basically translates to "this VN is popular and I don't like it"

[Anonymous No.]

誰でも中国語を学んでみたことがある？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913092
嫌中憎韓

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913108
わかんない

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912819
How many unique symbols are in Arabic？

[Anonymous No.]

What's your favorite Japanese expression or phrase that can't be expressed in English?
What English expressions do you wish were possible to express in Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913151

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913146
like 15

[Anonymous No.]

Is anyone else unable to connect to AnkiConnect right now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913151
いただきます
Rub a dub dub thanks for the grub

[Anonymous No.]

盗伐

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913177
>Itadakimasu
>Not expressible to English
What

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912627
get a different pen, fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913169
Can someone please just check their Yomichan settings and tell me if Anki integration is working for them or not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913151
>What's your favorite Japanese expression or phrase that can't be expressed in English?
the entire concept of polite/humble/respectful language and all of the various levels of 'you' which english only retains the formal
>What English expressions do you wish were possible to express in Japanese?
anything I say here will probably not be english in origin, and I'll get multiple linguistic nerds jumping down my throat to inform me so

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913226
I'm using a シャープペン、 what pens do you recommend?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913177
horriblesubs please leave

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913245
Just get a uniball gel

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913245
>>17913265

use mechanical pencil you nerds

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913269
You should be using a normal pencil and taking every opportunity to sharpen it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913245
>>17913265
>>17913269
>>17913286
Use fountain pens. Japan has some great fountain pen manufacturers so it can be a cool new otaku interest to sink your time and money in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913290
If you're going to sink your money into something gay like that at least do proper calligraphy and get a brush and ink stone instead of a fucking pen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913245
If you can't write kanji nicely with a cheap biro then you're shit at writing and need to practice more.

Ignore any autists telling you to buy expensive pens. If you're shit at writing, you will be shit at writing no matter what pen you use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913290
Might as well go all in and get a brush pen, then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913299
Don't knock it until you try it, if you do any amount of handwriting you're gonna benefit a lot from even a $10 fountain pen. And a good pen can literally last you years or even decades.
>>17913305
No reason not to get both, brush pens are cheap

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913169
>>17913238
Never mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913151
よろしく

it's not just "nice to meet you"

[Anonymous No.]

Looking for something a bit more challenging after finishing FH.

Dracu-Riot caught my eye, but I seem to remember hearing it was quite easy. Can anyone who's read it comment on how it compares difficulty-wise to FH? If it's about the same, I'll look for something else (that said, if anyone has any recommendations, I'd be happy to hear them).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912880
go slowly through those and mine

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913515
Himawari. Average difficulty and compelling story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913269
シャープペン is mechanical pencil

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913515
FH sits at the the bottom of most of these metrics:
http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats
Throw a stone, you'll hit something more challenging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913515
>Looking for something a bit more challenging after finishing FH.
Try anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913567
~4 points of difference on regular hayashi, ~14 points of difference on modified hayashi, and ~2.5 points of difference on modified hayashi 2.

Which one do I believe? Hayashi and modified hayashi 2 seem to suggest there's hardly any difference, whereas modified hayashi seems to suggest there's a huge difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913591
modified and modified 2 are the most useful but are "incomplete" in the sense that the weights they're calculated with are guesses. unmodified has no guesses but is inherently fuzzy because it's designed wrong. unmodified is also meant for school books.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17912597
Subahibi is fairly easy for the most part. I think the main advantage of ADV over NVL for beginners is just breaking the text into more manageable chucks. NVL will sometimes dump an entire paragraph on you at once and that might be overwhelming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913539
Himawari is garbage and doesn't have a compelling story at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913515
Read this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913515
Parfait

[Anonymous No.]

father is the same word as man? really?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913802
please elaborate

also, in English, you can call your father "the old man"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913808
お父さん

adds an honorific to 男

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913821

what the hell are you trying to say

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913821
i don't understand what you are saying either

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913849
>>17913860
you could just call me dumb, you know

they're almost the same word

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913869
I don't think you're dumb, just that you might have been reading some weird guides and are saying bizarre things. They're not the same word. お父さん is father, and 男 is man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913877
kunyomi, senpai. i know the difference, but they almost sound the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>[お]とう[さん]
>おとこ
I can't really say I hear any similarity between those two at all. They're about as similar as "drooling" and "retooling."

[Anonymous No.]

What font is this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913963

[Anonymous No.]

is there a preference between tae kim and sakubi here? they both look decent so i'm not confident which i should start with

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913971
Thanks. How did you style the <hr> line?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913984

most people will say tae kim. I use sakubi for reference but only because it's easier to cntl+f specific grammar terms.

[Anonymous No.]

give me your favorite long ish thing to say(min 3 characters)
人工呼吸器 here

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913991

吸血鬼

I like harsh k sounds

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913989
I don't use Anki, sorry. Yu Gothic/Mincho comes with Windows 10.

>>17913991
仏説摩訶般若波羅蜜多心経

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913989
Never mind, I assumed you were the owner of the deck in the screenshot for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913991
なんでやねん
または月給泥棒

[Anonymous No.]

kindly fuck every single word and different reading pertaining to 上 and 下

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914156
1/10 times I can guess the reading of 下 in a new word

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914177
anki has them all at once, which while good is destroying me since theyre all so alike in meaning and use and i cant remember them due to mixups

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914156
words are not for fucking! they are for gentle fondling in the mouth

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914156
ドンマイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914156
Watching more anime will fix that right up

[Anonymous No.]

>アメリカで日本への土産を買うとそれが日本製であることがよくある。
This is why capitalism is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914245

those zoomed panning shots make me uncomfortable

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914252
there is literally nothing wrong with capitalism
unless you count automation, but thats also its own solution with killbots to clean up the dead weight

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

>>17914001
きゅうりょうどろぼう

じゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>17913991
ねいてぃぶもさんかしていい？

同族嫌悪

[Anonymous No.]

あとあたしのすきなえいごは

Ｉ　ｗａｎｎａ　ｇｏ　ｈｏｍｅ。

だよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914320
>Ｉ　ｗａｎｎａ　ｇｏ　ｈｏｍｅ。
インドア派、同胞発見

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914320
切ない映画を思い出させないでよ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuQZJHfWf9U&feature=youtu.be&t=103

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914332
あたしが

同族嫌悪しちゃうぞ

>>17914339
だいたいの

えいごはココロがわからないって

いうんだけど

Ｉ　ｗａｎｎａ　ｇｏ　ｈｏｍｅ．だけは

あたしのココロがあんしんしていいよっていう

その映画、おもしろい？みてみようかな

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914339
これ

いいえいがだとおもう

１０秒で

しょっぱいみずがでた

ココロから

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914293
いや、月給泥棒だよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914431
ぐーぐるせんせいにきいてみたよ

むかしのえいが？

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know how to merge threads in ITHVNR? Monologue and dialogue are in two different threads for some reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914478
確かにそうだけどJMDICTによって月給泥棒とは正しいなのにグーグルなどによって給料泥棒とは正しそうよな
ちょいと面食らっているけど違うって言ってごめんね、悪かった

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914497
あたしのすんでいるちいきでは

月給泥棒はきいたことがないかなあ

あのんはあってるよ

いみはわかるもの

おなじいみで「穀潰し」っていうふるいことばがあるよ

きわめてつよいにほんごなので

きをつけてつかってね

[Anonymous No.]

Is this 褒?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914533
Its left part is like in 情, and right part is like in 壊.
t. too lazy to use google hand input

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914533
懐

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914514
もうこのスレ外は言葉遣いで十分心配するからそんな風の言葉は使わないですよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914542
>>17914543
Thank you! This is the first time I've actually had problems with Google handwriting, made an educated guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914533
ひともじなら

ふところだよ

しいをおくれば

なつかしいってつかうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914549
You could always use the radical input method on a site like jisho or something similar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914549
うしろに石がつけば

かいせきになるよ

かいせきはたべもののことばだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914575
I tried both Jisho and WWWJDIC, I was having a bit of trouble finding the correct radical for the bottom part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914583
That's 衣, 6 strokes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914588
Thank you very much!

[Anonymous No.]

Is Filthy Frank a good Japanese teacher?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=oSg2tXz_T6M
https://youtube.com/watch?v=x_kdwiqfaHg
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7-IkUdg9YWM

[Anonymous No.]

Genki Books or Tae Kim?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913515
Well, I guess I'm not playing Dracu-Riot. I set up a Windows 7 VM to play it on and it overheated my PC after about 3 minutes so so much for that...

Guess I'll have to stick to VNs from the 4:3 800x600 era since they're the only ones I can run reliably.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914864
How bad is your computer?
I don't think it's any worse than mine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914869
mate your shit is on fire

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914869

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914869
Better than yours I think, but I guess VirtualBox must be really inefficient at running stuff. I've had Windows 7 installed on this machine before and it worked fine, so it must be that virtual machines are just really resource heavy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914876
Yes they are.
Why a VM though? You're not using Windows? I think even a Vista computer can run Dracu-Riot.

>>17914871
nah, it's fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914883
how long have you owned it? my desktop literally shuts itself down before it even gets that hot because of how dangerous it is for parts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914887
9 or so years.
Those temps started around 2-3 years ago.

It's a laptop.

[Anonymous No.]

any games that make for fun japanese learning experiences? would I shoot myself in the foot y trying to play old jrpgs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914883
>You're not using Windows?
No.

I intended to set up a dualboot, but Microsoft are dickheads so it all went to shit and I couldn't be bothered to re-do it. If Windows 7 detects that there is another operating system on your PC, it won't let you install the SP1 update (yes, really), so because I installed Linux on the machine before bringing Windows fully up to date (which takes fucking hours with a fresh install), I ended up with a basically worthless Windows 7 installation.

>>17914887
Mine too. Whenever it gets too hot, it just immediately kills the power without warning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914903
>Mine too. Whenever it gets too hot, it just immediately kills the power without warning.
Yeah, it does that to protect the internal components. You can disable it but I HIGHLY RECOMMEND NOT TO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914855
why not both?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914855
Ignore Genki entirely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914900
desu id be worried about the japanese used in any games
if its similar to anime japanese then id avoid the whole thing unless it was specifically designed for learners

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914887
I ran a 4850 GPU for a year with the fan all fucked up at ~110C temps. Was still working fine expect when the fan finally died and just using windows was around 100C temps. It still worked though

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915055
>I ran a 4850 GPU for a year with the fan all fucked
I had one of those and my fan died completely so all it was left with was the heatsink itself. I have no idea how hot it was getting, but I didn't dare trying to play games or anything on it because I was worried it would fucking melt or catch fire or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915055
>>17915092
When my fan broke I just opened the desktop and directed one of those desk fans towards it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915092
My fan first started spinning slower and making a noise, then it gradually started randomly stopping so I would have to go give it a poke to get it going again before it eventually died. As long as it was spinning games worked, I think it shut the PC down if it hit 120C

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914869
That's a proper piece of shit, my friend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914891
Gotta pop it open and take the dust out.

[Anonymous No.]

I started studying two weeks ago and am about 100 pages into Tae Kim. I'm using Anki for the Core 2k/6k. How am I doing so far, and when should I try Hanahira? I'd like to begin after finishing reading Tae Kim, but I'm worried I won't retain enough to actually begin reading. I don't mind the difficulty.

>>17915038
Why ignore Genki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915268
Less than 10 pages per day? Hopefully you are not overworking yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915296
I initially started with Genki, got to lesson 4, and then quit when I heard about Tae Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

Leyline's art looks really pretty and clean. Is the VN any good? Any hot takes for me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915268
>when should I try Hanahira?
Never, it's boring as toss. Read something interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915315
It's good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915268
I highly recommend getting into reading as soon as possible. The longer you put it off, the longer you'll be worried that you're not prepared to read. Once you start reading, you'll be able to figure out really fast what you need to work on grammar-wise, and it'll also give you something to mine vocabulary from. And since the words you mine will have context, you'll be able to remember them more easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915322
Thank you. Would you recommend jumping into the Yotsubato Reading Pack, or something that interests me more and doing my my own mining?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915445
That's generally considered a good start because it helps introduce you to slang and slurred words. I didn't use it, personally, but there's nothing wrong with it, and Yotsubato is a fantastic manga either way. Do be aware that the reading pack only covers the first volume or two, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915268
Genki a shit
A SHIT

[Anonymous No.]

i see stuff like 当然と言えば当然 a lot, where it's "X と言えば X" and i don't really get it. like is this any different from just saying X once

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915741
I think its something like "If you speak of X, then it is X but its not Y".
It has a critizing function

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone taking the JLPT in December?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915838
Retaking N2, should be a breeze this time around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915844
Don't tell me you failed N2

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915838
you have to pay for it, so no

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915854
I did.
Though in my defenseish I barely even read before taking it. Pretty much only read manga. Now I'm reading Morimi novels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915855
Yeah, I guess if you're a basement dweller who won't go anywhere anyway there's no point in taking JLPT, it's just a big(?) waste of money

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915871
Don't be an ass, I just don't have money for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915885
You don't have a fraction of minimum wage?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915889
I'm barely living from paycheck to paycheck, so no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913664
i dont know all the cobinations but i can understand what theyre trying to say, feels good to have my studying pay off a bit. also, why do they guys at the end of the hall look like theyre about to take turns sucking each other off

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915895
I'm sure you can find someone whose dick you can suck for 50 bucks on craigslist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915741
It's like, "you could call it X and I'll accept that, but..."

「といえば」には、「春といえば春だが風はまだ冷たい」のように、「XといえばX」の形で同じ言葉を繰り返す用法がある。これはXと言おうとすれば言うこともできる(言えないこともない)の意で、しかしXと言うほどでもないという否定の意が裏に隠されている。
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/thsrs/17199/meaning/m0u/

[Anonymous No.]

How the fuck does Yomichan's middle click work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915768
>>17915933
ah, this clears it up. thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17910790
Fuck me. I decided to try Kira Kira as my next VN, and god damn this is hard. Lots of long sentences (at least in the short amount I've read so far), but the real problem is the huge amount of unknown words I'm encountering.

I feel like I'm right back at the beginning of Flyable Heart again as a complete beginner not knowing shit. Debating whether to tough it out and force myself onward or whether to put this aside for now and try to find something easier.

I couldn't appreciate how easy Flyable Heart was before, but I can now. Maybe it will get easier once I get used to the way this author writes... I hope so anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915999
Kira Kira is shit anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915999
>I feel like I'm right back at the beginning of Flyable Heart again as a complete beginner not knowing shit.

Haven't played that particular game so it might be legitimately too difficult, but this is also something you'll experience each time you begin a new game for your first few games no matter what. Most of the pain usually wears off in a few days.

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe it's just me but something about Maruto VNs just make it so hard to read for me. The vocabulary doesn't seem all that complex but the sentence structure seems to fuck me over multiple times for some reason. I guess my grammar isn't as good as I thought.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915952
Same exact way as the shift key does. You hold it down and highlight shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17915999
i wouldn't really recommend setoguchi to people just starting out desu.

[Anonymous No.]

What level of comprehension should I be aiming for when going through Tae Kim for the first time? Should I be aiming at being able to reproduce the grammar or would just being able to understand it when I see it be enough?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916104

just understand what the lesson is trying to convey to you. the idea is that you'll acquire basic familiarity with the grammar terms and phrases and then refer back to the guide during your reading when you encounter them to refresh or clarify their meaning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916104
You should aim at being able to stop asking questions like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916122
Okay, I understand
>>17916125
That's not a very useful answer, anon

[Anonymous No.]

Have any beginners played any Level 5 games for the DS? Apparently they contain furigana for every kanji. I'm wondering how difficult something like Youkai Watch would be for an N5 level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916130
I could've also formulated some far nastier replies, given that your question is practically answered in the guide. Instead, I gave you some advice; whether it's useful or not depends on what you do with it, but flat-out calling it "not very useful" is pretty arrogant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916190
I don't know, dude, you kind of seem like a pretentious asshole. You could just tell them to fuck off and read the guide. Instead you're pretending to help them. That doesn't help anyone, it's just patronizing toxicity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916104
I started TK without knowing shit. All I knew were kana and that's it. It's meant to be used at the start so you don't need any previous knowledge at all.
My progressions was this:
>learn hiragana and katakana
>start and finish tae kim while doing core2k
>start reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916190
It's not useful because it doesn't mean anything. It's not the kind of advice I can act on, it's the kind of advise that goes "wow dude you're so dumb you shouldn't even ask this" while stroking your own dick on how smart you are.

[Anonymous No.]

>the word in Japanese that I don't know translates into words in English that I also don't know
Well, at least my English is getting better too

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916201

hate when that happens. two god damn languages kicking my ass at the same time

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916077
So you think even if I tough it out, it's probably not really going to get much easier?

Ahhhh, I really don't know what to read. I've wasted the whole day fucking around trying to pick something and finally settled on Kira Kira, but now it seems like it's probably too far above my level for the moment. Trawling through VNDB though, none of the moe moe doki doki stuff catches my attention or makes me want to read it (I get the feeling they're probably pretty repetitive and boring), but all the plotge I would like to read is probably too big of a leap in difficulty for me right now.

Maybe I'll try reading an LN instead, though I can't say I have a great deal of interest in them (or really know much of anything about them)... And the problem of picking one to read still exists here too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916194
>>17916198
I meant by my cryptic nonadvice advice post, that he should be able to determine by himself what his goal should be with the material he uses. Language learning is partly about determining what works for the individual. If he mentions "being able to reproduce the grammar" as a potential goal, that means he might have different goals in mind than the average DJT cult member. Rather than trying to divine his intentions, I'll let his Brain run wherever a Splinter swerves it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916227
You seem seriously delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916207
yeah kira kira probably looks deceptively easy but setoguchi can probably be pretty tough. especially when his sentences get longer, as they tend to do. i'd recommend something else but i don't know your tastes

[Anonymous No.]

暦的には初秋だが
"Calenderly its early autum" Does japanese really use adverbs in this way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916237
*it's

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese memes still confuse me.

[Anonymous No.]

Shit I *just* realized you can hover over words in Tae Kim to see their translation. I'm probably retarded but whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916233
>i don't know your tastes
Anything with a sort of mystery aspect to it would probably go down well with me. Fantasy worlds also usually catch my interest.

In terms of specific dislikes, I tend not to like sci-fi or mecha stuff very much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916237
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916292
maybe eustia? it fits that criteria. you'll probably have to learn some fantasy vocab but the grammar isn't too tough or anything. though if you do i'd recommend only doing the true route. the heroine routes are pretty weak and unimportant.

[Anonymous No.]

二人って名前似てる

As I understand it, there's supposed to be a particle between the verb 似る and the noun 名前, like に, but it has been omitted as part of slang.

Verbs cannot be modified by nouns in a formal setting by placing the noun before the verb in the sentence. Nouns need a particle to act on a verb. Though there is the practice in slang of making compound verbs by stacking noun+verb as in 名前似る "name-resemble".

Am I close to right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916292
Nanairo Reincarnation (Kotori route) or Natsukumo Yururu.
Easy Japanese with mystery elements.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916207
Aokana is good and easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916322
が or は has been omitted there, not に.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916316
Looks good but I have major doubts that it'll run on my VM.

Anything with a resolution over 800x600 that I try to install on it tends to either not work at all or is visually buggy and runs like shit.

>>17916328
>>17916334
I have doubts any of these would work either. Actually, in the case of Nanairo Reincarnation, I specifically know that it won't.

Probably should've mentioned that I'm likely restricted to things made pre-2010. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916246
Go hang out with Japanese people and ask questions. They'll surely clarify all their slang for you, just like 4chan does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916351
Oh, I see. I assumed って was acting as the subject marker.

Am I right about this though:

>Nouns need a particle to act on a verb.

And any examples to the contrary are people being lazy and omitting particles?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916357
Read Subahibi. It's legitimately not that hard. Plenty of mystery. Old.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916370
Really? I thought it was supposed to be pretty difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916382
The language is real simple for the most part. It can just get pretty weird at times and there are often times when things aren't explained until later, so it might be occasionally hard to tell if you're misreading a line or if it's just that. I even know a few people who read it as their first Japanese VN and they managed fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916370
subahibi is a meme
stop recommending it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916419
>waah waah everything I don't like is a meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916382
It varies from easy to impossible. I mean there's even a translated version of Jabberwocky in there, which is literally supposed to make zero literary sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916438
In order to learn Japanese, one just first slay the Jabberwock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916370
I'd recommend against subahibi. While the prose is probably not that hard the story is pretty complex and you're gonna get a lot more out of it if you really understand everything so you can see all of the foreshadowing.
Also, an English translation exists now and the story is pretty reliant on mystery/deception so if you read it and Japanese and don't really get it you've still spoiled a lot of it so you can't enjoy it as much in English either.

[Anonymous No.]

About to begin Hanahira. I know it's dry as paint but need something very easy. Wish me luck, /djt/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916499
>/djt/
Leave please, attention seeking mouthbreather.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

にちようびだよ

きょうはなにする？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916684
>きょうはなにする？
まずは世界征服
あと..洗濯

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916684
よい自殺日和だなぁ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916499
>I know it's dry as paint but need something very easy
Hope it isn't dry as paint for you because reading things that are boring get painful after a while. Why not embrace the struggle of reading something you want to read?

>>17916570
Funny how cancerous tryhards like you never call out this >>17916684 attention seeking faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916720
せかいせいふくいいよね

せんたくはもっといいね

>>17916728
しぬにはさむすぎるよ

春まではいきる

[Anonymous No.]

So now that Firefox killed rikai, what's best:
a) migrating to Waterfox
b) using Yomichan
c) 他
I don't actually know how Yomi compares to rikai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916885
>I don't actually know how Yomi compares to rikai.
with the blank template and glossary-brief, mining is functionally identical
you might lose the rikai tags of (adj-na, vt, vi) etc, not a big deal

[Anonymous No.]

>>17913515
Ever thought about reading real novels? that might help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916885
Keeping an old x86 installation of Firefox parallel to your current one is one option.
Keeping 56.0.2 and enduring all the vulnerabilities is another.
I did option 1 but now that you mentioned it, I'll look into Waterfox since having two versions of the same program is a bit buggy since one seems to affect the other.

Yomi is fucking trash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916207
>>17915999
Decided to soldier on with Kira Kira. I've still not gotten very far and my reading pace is painfully slow compared to what it was when I was reading Flyable Heart, but I feel like I'm starting to get used to it a bit now. Most of the lines are taking me a careful re-read or two to get, but I am getting them (well, most of them). The amount of new words I keep running into is still giving me a pretty hard time though.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there such thing as a place where you put a few kanji and then it sorts out the actual existing words containing those kanji? Like, if you put things like 兄 and 弟 it will give you 兄弟 as a result?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916885
Not needing rikai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917060
Mining sucks without some form of automation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917080
Stop wasting time on anki and watch more anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917116
No. Japanese subs are a pain to set up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917166
Watch without subs

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917173
That does nothing for learning to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917224
Don't learn to read from subtitled audio, what are you doing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916885
Literally just program your own exclusive rikai
How difficult can it be after all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916942
I believe that's called a dictionary, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917166
look for kizuna ai videos that have non-auto-generated japanese transcriptions. guaranteed to boost your iq

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917267
Fork one of the open source ones and this becomes realistic.

Still too lazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917080
Automated mining is what sucks. You end up with way too many definitions on every card. Any more than 3 definitions on the back of a card is just too unwieldy.

If you aren't selectively copy-pasting definitions onto your cards from the Kenkyusha EPWING dictionary, then you're doing it wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917166
>save subtitle file to same folder as your video file
>rename subtitle file to match video file if necessary
wow, what a pain!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917389
>deal with off timing because none of them are timed correctly
No thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17916746
>せんたくはもっといいね
満更でもない

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917224
So you want to watch tv and be able to read?
????

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917428
Most of the time, it's just a case of adjusting them forwards or backwards by a few seconds in your media player (in mpv, it's as simple as just pressing the z or x key a few times). And some are synced up just fine with BD releases.

Unless you're dealing with subs made for live TV where there's a huge delay for the adverts, this isn't a real problem at all. You're just being a bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17914252
Open the country
Stop having it be closed

[Anonymous No.]

What should I change in anki if my young/learn is growing and my matures are shrinking?
I don't want to lower new cards and I dont mind it taking longer

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917528
Now I need to go and watch that again.

[Anonymous No.]

I encounter (A~B) in japanese written form, and it's obviously like A - B in english, but my problem is that even though I know the latter's pronounciation as "A to B", I'm not sure how that translates into japanese.
Is it AからBまで or something else?

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck I was still doing my reps in Anki and then the fucking date rolled over and it added my reps of tomorrow
What the fuck am I gonna do now

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917732
>What the fuck am I gonna do now
you're fucked innit

should've done your reps earlier m8

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917749
but i had an emergency
my appendix blew up and had to get surgery

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917749
I'm not sure how it came to this, even. Woke up at 5pm and I decided I wouldn't go continue reading my VN until I'd finished Japanese.
Fast foward 10 hours and all I did was read a bit of Tae Kim and do like half my reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917732
Finish your now added reps overnight.
Or just do how much you had for the day and go to bed, do what you left when it's day again.
The same happened to me yesterday and I didn't mind it much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917761
It must've not hurt all that much if you're worried about a day's reps, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know what's the dialect used in Ghost Hound

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917809
どういうの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917732
Tools -> Preferences -> Next day starts at

Adjust it, finish your reps, sleep.. I find 5 in the morning is a good time for the date rollover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917854
Ah, thanks. It's the kind of value I'll probably have to adjust constantly because my sleep rhythm is highly irregular, but at least it exists. It always bothers me when programs don't have it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917854
>Tools -> Preferences -> Next day starts at
You have to be careful when fucking with this setting. I don't know how it works exactly, but in the past when I messed with it it caused Anki to skip forward a day.

[Anonymous No.]

にちようびだし

みんなおふとん

ほそー

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917862
If you adjust it constantly, you will probably end up doing what I did: >>17917887

I can't remember exactly, but I think if you set the time to an earlier one than it's currently set to, it causes Anki to skip forward a day. In other words, if you set your "Next day" setting to 11pm, then change it to any other time, you will bring tomorrow's reviews forward to the present day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917900
Alright, guess I'll just set it to like 6AM and forget about it then. I don't think I'll ever do reps before that time anyways (earliest I wake up is 6)

[Anonymous No.]

What's with Syaro's accent in GochiUsa? Apparently her voice actress is from Tokyo, but she sounds like a gaijin (it's pretty kawaii, but I can't understand her for shit).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917908
she sounds fine in twin tails

[Anonymous No.]

May I ask a question before the thread gets archived? It's beginners stuff.

I'm reading stuff in japanese to practise my grammar, and found difficulties in understanding this sentence.

Could someone give me a hand, Particularly, I cannot understand the function of "は" after the verb this phrase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917900
Isn't that the desired behavior? You're able to remove tomorrow's reviews if you start the day later than the current time, and add the reviews if you start it earlier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917926
i believe it is just an emphatic form of 愛してくれません

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917926
the は is because it's negative, to ensure that 愛 and ません have the correct relationship to each other, because of polarity

it's the same reason why である's negative is ではない and not でない

polarity is also the reason も acts funny with negative predicates

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917926
星はなんてよめばいいのかしら

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917942
I see, that's interesting to know. Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

I'm guessing I can interpret this phrase as
"However, stars cannot love us" or "wouldn't love us". "didn't love us" would sound kinda weird, although it's what my eletronic dictionary may be suggesting.

>>17917950
Not sure if this is a rethorical question or if I didn't quite understood, but, if you are asking what I think:

Before they were referring as "私たちの星" or "この星". This time around they just specified as "星" alone, so I'm guessing it's "stars" in general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917970
星が人名なのかなーとおもったけど

ちがったのね

それはそれで

ちゅうにはいってるとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917935
The problem is, once you get to 11pm, you have no choice but to skip forward a day. There is no situation where it would make sense to bring your reviews forward a day since that just fucks up the SRS algorithm and gives you two lots of reviews in one day. Who the fuck wants that?

And even if you were desperate to do the next day's reviews today for some weird reason, then that could be achieved by just setting the "Next day" time to an hour from the present time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917908
Also, fuck, that's 7 defeats now in the end credits じゃんけん.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918018
Pretty sure mine is set at like 3 AM, a time which you'll never need to be awake and doing reps at, so it's okay to do them near midnight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918018
That's 100% your fault for setting the "next day" to start 1 hour before what would normally be midnight. That's 23 clicks. Or typing the number 23.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918058
I had to move it along because my sleeping pattern kept getting fucked up and I didn't have time to do my reviews if not.

It's just a stupid design in the first place. If anyone actually wanted to do the next day's reviews on the current day, there's actually a custom study option which explicitly lets you do that. There is absolutely no sense in making the "Next day" setting skip forward a day when revising the setting to an earlier time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918058
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep–wake_disorder

[Anonymous No.]

人頭税はやめてほしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918082
>>17918103
What do you want? To keep shoving the day forward past 24 hours? Today is not only tomorrow but the day after that too.

The way they handled it is the only way that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918139
>What do you want? To keep shoving the day forward past 24 hours?
Yes?
>Today is not only tomorrow but the day after that too.
You live in a delusional alternate reality if you think that a fixed 24 hour personal "day" is guaranteed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918146
You're delusional if you expect to get your own personal calendar.

Seriously, you have a problem, and Anki should fix it, but the feature was not meant to be used the way you're attempting to use it.

[Anonymous No.]

Does this mean something like "I've come to the understanding that I can't beat Takagi unless I use my full strength"? The だと is especially confusing me. The guy lost a bunch of arm-wrestling matches against the girl because he kept going easy on her, for context.

[Anonymous No.]

アメリカいがいのあのんが

にほんにくると

人頭税のしはらいはしなくていいんだって

年２０万くらい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918178
>You're delusional if you expect to get your own personal calendar.
No, flash cards just shouldn't be tied to calendar days. That's retarded.

>Seriously, you have a problem, and Anki should fix it,
Anki being not actively hostile to people with non-24-hour days doesn't fix their problem. It just fixes Anki being a problem for them.

>the feature was not meant to be used the way you're attempting to use it.
I don't use Anki. There is zero reason for the delay to be limited to 23 hours except to "punish" people that push it back to delay reviews. That's the definition of a hostile configuration behavior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918196
筋力では　高木さんに　勝てないのだ　と悟った
I realised I cannot beat Takagi-san by means of pure strength

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918215
Of course it was just a parsing error on my part. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918204
>No, flash cards just shouldn't be tied to calendar days. That's retarded.
I can't imagine writing general-purpose software that can handle non-24-hour days. That's a pain in the ass that 0.03% of the population would care about, and way more importantly, the 99.97% who don't care would likely get confused by it and send angry confused emails. Users are awful, and it's a miracle anyone continues developing software. Those statistics are apparently being generous, by the way, because Wiki says the vast majority are blind, and I imagine Anki's users are skewed towards the sighted population more than average software.
>It just fixes Anki being a problem for them.
I would think most of them are quite used to adapting to many calendar day issues on a regular basis.
>There is zero reason for the delay to be limited to 23 hours except to "punish" people that push it back to delay reviews.
Not everything that doesn't cater to you is an aggressive act. The majority of people don't even know this exists, you could at least presume ignorance. It's logical for the originally intended purpose to limit the offset between 0 and 23 hours. It's not even guaranteed that something else wont break if it were to be set higher.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918215
そのせりふ

ふんいきが

かっこいいね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918265
>I can't imagine writing general-purpose software that can handle non-24-hour days.
Anki could if it didn't have the 23 hour limit. By the way, I said calendar days there, not 24-hour days.

>and way more importantly, the 99.97% who don't care would likely get confused by it and send angry confused emails
If you fuck up an advanced option it's your own fault. This has nothing to do with normal users.

>Users are awful, and it's a miracle anyone continues developing software. Those statistics are apparently being generous, by the way, because Wiki says the vast majority are blind, and I imagine Anki's users are skewed towards the sighted population more than average software.
The wikipedia page on non-24-hour sleep cycle disorder is only for systematic non-24-hour days. There are other reasons to review less than once every calendar day than having non-24-hour sleep cycle disorder.

>I would think most of them are quite used to adapting to many calendar day issues on a regular basis.
Anki's spacing system is designed in such a way that it doesn't work properly if the review cycle is not synchronized with your sleeping cycle. One cannot adapt to it going out of sync.

>Not everything that doesn't cater to you is an aggressive act.
No, but this particular situation is hostile. There is no reason to limit it to 23 hours.

>It's logical for the originally intended purpose to limit the offset between 0 and 23 hours.
Why would you ever limit it at 23 hours? The only possible reason is to make it so that the maximum delay is as high as possible, but less than a whole day. There is no other possible reason. If they wanted rational values they would limit it to 12 or not allow you to adjust it at all.

If they wanted it to be very flexible they would allow negative values, even if they limited the range to a day. Why should I be disallowed from changing the limit from midnight to 11 PM without pushing my reviews back? That's a bad design decision for everyone. Then you can't change it from 11 PM to midnight without pulling your reviews forwards and subjecting yourself to an extra day of reviews.

But if you could put in negative values, you could use -23 or -24 or something normally, and move it to +23 when you want to delay your reviews by two days. If the limit was -12 to +11, the normal use case would be perfectly fine and you wouldn't be able to delay your reviews by a day, but allowing negative times at all necessarily allows the user to do tomorrow's reviews today.

The only possible reason for the 0 to 23 range to be chosen in particular, because it's bad because it doesn't allow negative values and because it's exactly a day, is to keep people from using it to delay reviews by more than a day. Even if that was not consciously intended, the only way to end up with the 0 to 23 range is to exclusively value the system where reviews can only be delayed by up to a day.

The option is there. The only reason for this option to be there in the first place is to make Anki more flexible. A rollover time of just after midnight is perfectly fine for almost everyone. The limitation on this option, coupled with the fact that Anki actively refuses to run if your clock is wrong and your internet is on (not just a warning, it actively refuses to let you use it) only point to the developers being hostile to the users in the aspect of timekeeping. No, you do *not* know better than your users.

Defending this is stupider than defending the daily review limit defaulting to 100.

>It's not even guaranteed that something else wont break if it were to be set higher.
It is. If it works at +23 it will work at +24. If it doesn't, it would break with +23 during DST, or with +0 during non-DST, or with +23 during non-DST, or with +0 during DST. You need to go out of your way to design an unreliable system for it to break with a 24-hour offset that affects the program's virtual date if it would not break with a 23-hour offset.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918296
(continued)
The Anki developers are aware of how people use their software. They're aware of the problems users encounter and generally aware of the ways their users try to solve those problems.

I'm 100% positive they know about people going offline and changing their clock in order to push back reviews.

They're also aware of the fact that adding ten or more cards a day will hit the default limit of 100 daily reviews in a matter of months, no matter what the user's retention is, and that a lot of people who hit the limit don't know it's there.

Making sure people use Anki the way they envision it being used is more important than making it flexible. Your defenses for it don't line up with reality.

Raising the default daily review limit to something like 200 or 250 would solve the review limit problem for basically any shared deck, pushing the time you hit the limit from months to years if you have 100% retention, and from months to a year or two if you have sorta normal retention.

This has been directly suggested to them and they've denied the request because having a high review limit scares people who stop using Anki for a while and come back. Despite the fact that it's actively harmful to anyone using the program normally adding ten or twenty cards a day.

The reason for this is that the developers have a specific idea of how you should review cards when your reviews build up. You should do a fixed number of reviews and add the normal amount of new cards. Exponential spacing and leech suspension will reduce the number of reviews you have down to normal after a few days of getting through each backed-up card at least once. Fundamentally, this is perfectly fine. When it's not fine is when you have a large deck.

The problem is that Anki actively harms normal use of the program in order to make it so that people who add a very low number of new cards each day, possibly hand-made from a textbook or something, don't get scared and quit using the program when the fuck up. And there are other ways to do that. They just chose and stuck to a method that harms normal use of the program. Because they got it in their heads that limiting reviews was the natural way to do it and haven't considered any others. Whether it's laziness or arrogance, either way they don't deserve to maintain Anki.

The limit is the same way. Allowing a negative offset makes perfect sense. The first thing you would think of is moving the time from 4 AM to 11 PM without pushing back reviews. But you can't. Because they intentionally decided not to do it that way.

Or they're just incredibly stupid and don't think about anything, which is highly unlikely considering the complexity and stability of the program they made.

[Anonymous No.]

With sample sentences on Anki, am I supposed to be able to understand the full sentence to not flag it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918354
Post a screenshot of the front and back of your cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918341
you seem to know a great deal about it, can you help me out >>17917551
my current settings
>new cards steps
1 5 10 20
show new in order added
grad interval 1 day
ease interval 4 days
200% starting ease
bury related checked
>reviews
9999 max/day
130% easy bonus
100% interval
max interval 1 year
bury related unchecked
>lapses
steps 10
new interval 0%
min interval 1 day
leech thresh, 10
tag only

[Anonymous No.]

サンタクロースさんにおねがいがあります

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918370
These are your options:
1) Reduce your interval modifier to something between 80% and 95%. This might cause a spike in mature reviews tomorrow but basically means that each card is reviewed slightly more often, giving you more familiarity and making you less likely to forget them. But you'll have more reviews. If you want to compensate for this for new cards, increase your starting ease to something above 200% but at most 250%.
2) Increase your graduation interval for new cards and/or lapsed cards to 2 days. This means you have fewer young reviews and less pressure to do each card quickly. Doing it for new cards means that future mature cards will have less familiarity if you never lapse them. Doing it for lapses doesn't negatively affect very much but can artificially increase your retention stats if you have lots of leeches.
3) If you have a bunch of leeches, change it to suspend and study them in a custom study deck instead of your main deck. Again, this means you'll have less pressure to do each card quickly in your main deck because you'll have fewer annoying reviews.
4) Ignore it. You might just be hitting harder cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918370
>>17918384
You could also raise the "new interval" for lapses to something like 10% or 20% but it's dangerous if you're forgetting a lot of mature cards and don't encounter them "in the wild" on a regular basis. Since that's your problem I don't want to recommend it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918296
I don't disagree with everything you've said, but
>If you fuck up an advanced option it's your own fault.
It's not an advanced option, it's an extremely common use case to roll over at 4-6am. Advanced options don't stop emails.
>it doesn't work properly if the review cycle is not synchronized with your sleeping cycle. One cannot adapt to it going out of sync.
I've stayed up 30 hours and simply did two reviews 18 hours apart. It's not ideal, but one can indeed adapt.
>But if you could put in negative values, you could use -23 or -24 or something normally, and move it to +23 when you want to delay your reviews by two days.
THIS is what fucks up the SRS algorithm, and I fail to see why it's a problem to just, god forbid, miss a day. Why?
>the only way to end up with the 0 to 23 range is to exclusively value the system where reviews can only be delayed by up to a day.
Alternatively, the developer thought "let's add a 'day start time' setting", made it support any hour of a single day, and later realized that wording it as "delay after midnight" was a little bit clearer but kept the original design. You don't seem to have any experience with programming/design, but sure have strong convictions about how incorrectly it was done.
>>17918341
>I'm 100% positive they know about people going offline and changing their clock in order to push back reviews.
You appeared to start this discussion with "people use it for more than pushing back reviews" but now you're repeatedly saying "people should be able to use this system to push back reviews". Again, why is this desired?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918384
>>17918392
Thanks for the advice. I read every day for at least double what I spend in anki
I am exposed to them in the wild, but I'm harsher on myself during anki
I tried ignoring it, but my backlog is just growing. I have about 300 leeches in a deck of around 16k. 8.7k matures, 3.8k young/learn and 4.1k unseen.
I have been doing 'review forgotten cards for the last 2 days' over the past week, it helped somewhat, but not much.
I'll reduce my interval mod to 90%.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918421
Wrong about the leeches, its actually around 600

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918410
>>But if you could put in negative values, you could use -23 or -24 or something normally, and move it to +23 when you want to delay your reviews by two days.
>THIS is what fucks up the SRS algorithm
Literally nothing bad happens to the SRS algorithm if you delay reviews by small amounts. Especially not to mature cards. A given number of days has a much larger affect on young cards than mature cards, and young cards matter more. Exponential spacing is used exactly because it makes the exact time you do your reviews less important.
>and I fail to see why it's a problem to just, god forbid, miss a day. Why?
Doing reviews twice in a day is exactly what fucks up the SRS algorithm. If you "miss a day", you end up doing reviews twice in a day. If you learn a new card and then do its first reviews in the same day, congratulations, you just fucked up that card's spacing much more than anything else you could have possibly done, except maybe press "Easy" on it without knowing it.
>Alternatively, the developer thought "let's add a 'day start time' setting", made it support any hour of a single day, and later realized that wording it as "delay after midnight" was a little bit clearer but kept the original design.
There is no "any hour of a single day". That's not how Anki interacts with the clock.
>You don't seem to have any experience with programming/design, but sure have strong convictions about how incorrectly it was done.
Considering you just expressed ignorance as to how programs interact with time, I don't think you hvae any place to say this.

>You appeared to start this discussion with "people use it for more than pushing back reviews" but now you're repeatedly saying "people should be able to use this system to push back reviews".
Pushing back reviews and pushing back how many days have passed over time are literally the same thing. The fact that people do them for different reasons does not change the fact that you cannot have one without the other.
>Again, why is this desired?
Congratulations, this question just proved that your defense of this limitation is based on the fact that people should not push back reviews, and without it, they could push back reviews.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918427
>and young cards matter more
and mature cards matter more*

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918410
>Again, why is this desired?
>>17917761
>but i had an emergency
>my appendix blew up and had to get surgery

[Anonymous No.]

>read spicy wolf
>exchange between holo and lawrence that I don't get
>>fuck it I give up, where's the english translation
>read the official translation


>don't get the translated exchange either


am I legit retarded or what is going on here

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918427
>There is no "any hour of a single day". That's not how Anki interacts with the clock.
To elaborate on this, everything is based on the date the deck was created and the hour offset. The hour offset is "creatively" stored inside the date the deck was created, but the logic doesn't require it to be limited to +0~23 hours at all, only the fact that the hour offset is stored inside the date the deck was created. Every time Anki does time math, it uses real timestamps, not comparisons of days and hours within days.

Putting the hour offset in its own variable would be simpler, cleaner, reduce the potential for obscure sources of database corruption, make the scheduling code more comprehensible, and make it possible to use arbitrary hour offsets. The only three reasons I can think why the code is written this way are stupidity, lack of experience, or desire to make the code reflect the fact that this is an intentional restriction.

Plugins have to reschedule things instead, which is something nobody would want to restrict a plugin from doing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17917942
Where can I read about polarity?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918495
it's linguistics tier but here you go
https://www.google.com/search?q=japanese+syntax+polarity&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

[Anonymous No.]

>>17918497
Cool, thanks