Comiket is saved

[Anonymous No.]

Thanks to Trump pulling out of TPP, a lot of past demands made by the Obama administration under the original TPP were not included in the revised version of TPP without America.

It's actually a weaker version of TPP and the best of the revised version of TPP is that the intellectual property provisions from the original TPP have been suspended.

>The chapter relating to intellectual property has been "suspended," which means, in plain terms, that it will no longer be part of a renegotiated TPP, a victory for Canada as many companies — as well as Blackberry's former CEO, Jim Balsillie — were worried about those provisions. This chapter, which essentially applied U.S. patent laws to other member countries, was originally demanded by the former Obama administration.

Nobody has to worry about Comiket's future anymore.

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>>17882397
Cool.

[Anonymous No.]

what the FUCK is comiket

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>>17882397
What's going to kill comiket is Olympics 2020 and the flood of "anime girls are people too" idiot white women, not any copyright law which no one gives a fuck about passed or not.

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Suspension of items is not removal. It is a deprioritization of negotiation. Items can still discussed, modified, and included.
The "IP" Chapter was also not the only evil provision.

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>>17882467
It won't effect things at all. People will still buy doujins.

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Can someone explain TPP in simple terms? Especially, how would have it affected Comiket?

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>>17882618
Applies US copyright law to all signatories

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>>17882628
So... how does that differ from the present IP laws in Japan? I believe there are big companies that put restrictions on fanmade derivative stuff (Nintendo, Kadokawa etc.)

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>>17882670
With the TPP you could sue somebody for copyright infringement even if you're not the author or even if the author is ok with fanmade stuff.

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>>17882670
US companies are generally more aggressive in enforcement, TPP with the old IP provisions would have exposed doujin makers to US IP enforcement

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>>17882684
>sue somebody for copyright infringement even if you're not the author
HOW would that even work?

[Anonymous No.]

All signatory countries would have been required to conform their domestic laws and policies to the provisions of the Agreement. In the U.S., this would have further entrenched controversial aspects of U.S. copyright law—such as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)—and restricted the ability of Congress to engage in domestic law reform to meet the evolving needs of American citizens and the innovative technology sector. Overall, the TPP's provisions that recognize the rights of the public are non-binding, whereas almost everything that benefits rightsholders is binding.

The final IP chapter included many detailed requirements that are more restrictive than current international standards, and would have required significant changes to other countries’ copyright laws. These include obligations for countries to:

Expand Copyright Terms: Create copyright terms well beyond the internationally agreed period in the 1994 Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS). The TPP would have extended copyright term protections from life of the author + 50 years, to Life + 70 years for works created by individuals, and 70 years after publication or after creation for corporate owned works (such as Mickey Mouse).
Escalate Protections for DRM (aka Digital Locks): It would have compelled signatory nations to enact laws banning circumvention of digital locks (technological protection measures or TPMs) [PDF] that mirror the DMCA and treat violation of the TPM provisions as a separate offense even when no copyright infringement is involved. This would have required countries like New Zealand to completely rewrite its innovative 2008 copyright law, as well as override Australia’s carefully-crafted 2007 TPM regime exclusions for region-coding on movies on DVDs, video games, and players, and for embedded software in devices that restrict access to goods and services for the device—a thoughtful effort by Australian policy makers to avoid the pitfalls experienced with the U.S. digital locks provisions. In the U.S., business competitors have used the DMCA to try to block printer cartridge refill services, competing garage door openers, and to lock mobile phones to particular network providers.
Create New Threats for Journalists and Whistleblowers: Dangerously vague text on the misuse of trade secrets, which could be used to enact harsh criminal punishments against anyone who reveals or even accesses information through a "computer system" that is allegedly confidential.
Enact a "Three-Step Test" Language That Puts Restrictions on Fair Use: The U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) is putting fair use at risk with restrictive language in the TPP's IP chapter. Companies that adopt more user-friendly rules could also risk lawsuits by content industry investors who believe these rules limit their profits.
Place Greater Liability on Internet Intermediaries: The TPP would have forced the adoption of the U.S. DMCA Internet intermediaries copyright safe harbor regime in its entirety on other countries. Chile and Canada have gotten exceptions to allow their forward-thinking regimes that better safeguard user rights to stay in place. However, the TPP would still help entrench the United States' flawed takedown regime as an international standard.
Adopt Heavy Criminal Sanctions: Adopt criminal sanctions for copyright infringement that is done without commercial motivation. Users could be jailed or hit with debilitating fines over file sharing, and may have their property or domains seized or destroyed even without a formal complaint from the copyright holder.

Although the IP chapter contains the worst of the agreement's anti-user provisions, we were also concerned by provisions elsewhere that:

Place Barriers in the Way of Protecting Your Privacy: The TPP's Electronic Commerce and Telecommunications Chapters establish only the weakest baseline for the protection of your private data—even enforcing self-regulation by the companies that profit from your data is enough. On the other hand, stronger privacy laws are outlawed if they amount to an “arbitrary or unjustifiable discrimination or a disguised restriction on trade.”
Do Nothing on Net Neutrality and Spam: The TPP includes provisions on net neutrality and spam control that are so weak that they achieve nothing. But including them in the agreement at all could lead countries to wrongly assume that these topics have been adequately dealt with, dissuading them from working towards more positive solutions.
Prohibit Open Source Mandates: With no good rationale, the agreement would outlaw a country from adopting rules for the sale of software that include mandatory code review or the release of source code. This could inhibit countries from addressing pressing information security problems, such as widespread and massive vulnerability in closed-source home routers.

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>>17882565

you wont buy them if they stop printing them

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>>17882736
Beats me.
Also you wouldn't get instant copyright over things you have created, unless you wrote a letter to the gov and paid some taxes for it.

Also if someone made the transaction before you, they could get copyright over the thing you made.

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>>17882773
So what if some Internet feminist gets upset over loli rape doujins? They'll throw a fit on the other side of the planet and the artists won't care. this has happened before.

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>>17882781
>Also you wouldn't get instant copyright over things you have created, unless you wrote a letter to the gov and paid some taxes for it.
Sounds detrimental to businesses

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>>17882845
It was. That's why only really big companies were in for it.

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>>17882841
>They'll throw a fit on the other side of the planet
see >>17882467
They'll be rioting right on the streets of Japan.

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>>17882684
>even if the author is ok with fanmade stuff
This can't be real.
>>17882467
>>17882841
>>17882851
I think that most of the stuff that would make them upset is too obscure for them to even know, so there's nothing to worry about. Most people only knows or cares about much more mainstream stuff like Hello Kitty, Doraemon, Mario and Pokémon anyway.

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>>17882628
Literally "US world police" bullshit. I'm glad it didn't happen.

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>>17882457
You can't be serious, right ?

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/jp/ - International Law

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>>17882684
Source for the former claim? I want to believe

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>>17882397
Thank you President Trump.
You are /jp/'s greatest ally.

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>>17884691
free trade is still shit.
he should have killed the deal altogether.

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>>17885094
>he should have killed the deal altogether.

He's not emperor of the rest of the world, yet. They can sign whatever treaties they wish to, with each other. Which is exactly what they have done.

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>>17882397
Does this also mean that Japan and the other signatories won't have to adopt the same copyright lengths that the U.S. has?

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>>17882684
Not to mention that you wouldn't even necessarily be sued in a court of law.
A corporation could have sued you for copyright violations and then had the case overseen by their own lawyers and executives who decided whether or not you were guilty. The TPP was fucking nightmare fuel.

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This is not /jp/
unpolite sage

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>>17884691
>Baneposted in the inauguration speech
>Dropped out of TTP, protecting doujins
>Twitter feed is salt mining and shitposting
I think he might actually be a regular 4chan user.

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>>17882467
>and the flood of "anime girls are people too" idiot white women
already exist an official response for it

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>>17882851
>They'll be rioting right on the streets of Japan.
That's why they're hiding the loli porn and kid gravures from the main commercial streets for 2020. I'm not kidding.

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>>17882467
>>17882773
Japan has already declared numerous times that they don't give a damn about what Westerners think about their porn, real or drawn.

“We are absolutely in agreement that the protection of the rights of women in Japan is important. On the other hand, we think it should be carefully and seriously evaluated whether the measures taken to ensure those protections are valid ones or not. If we are asked to consider whether “Protecting Women’s Rights in Japan” requires us to “Ban the Sale of Manga and Video Games Depicting Sexual Violence,” then we must reply that that is an absolute “no.”

“There is nothing to be gained from regulating fictional sexual violence. However, while you’re trying to fix the rights of fictional characters, you’re leaving the human rights of real women in the real world left to rot.”

If you don't believe it, simply look up these quotes and the name Kumiko Yamada on Google.

However, Tokyo 2020 is still a problem to otaku, and for two distinct reasons.

#1- Illegal immigration. A lot of people who are buying tickets to Japan have no intention to come back. Every Olympic Game, specially the ones set in cities like Tokyo, ends up attracting illegal immigrants, because they disguise themselves among tourists. By the time the Olympic games end, they will have already settled in and acquired illegal documents.

#2- Most importantly, it's guaranteed that there will be a temporary shut down of some stuff that might not appeal to Western audiences in Akihabara. All shops selling loli doujin and other kinds of stuff that might seem creepy to a Western normalfag will take those out of the shelves. They might even suspend all porn sales temporarily, even of vanilla stuff. The big posters in Akihabara like the ones on the Sega building could come down. And a lot of stuff will be made to appeal to Western audiences. Akiba will definetely change for the Olympics, and the question is not whether this change will be really temporary or not, but rather, how much of it will be temporary, and how much will not.

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>>17882684
It's not so much that you could personally sue (which is inane under any regime of law), but that you could file a complaint and the authorities would be obligated to pursue action.

>>17885263
You can be sued for copyright violations for producing doujinshi literally right now. The difference is that the copyright holder has to be the one to move (and most of them don't care) rather than the government.

>>17886287
People have been saying that Akihabara has been a glitzy tourist trap for ages anyway, how many people will genuinely cry if the Olympics double down on it? Just take down the pornographic posters and hide the loli doujinshi. Big whoop. You can still order online and pickup at the store if you need to.

>By the time the Olympic games end, they will have already settled in and acquired illegal documents.
You can't do jack shit in Japan without papers and you're not going to get good forgeries if you don't speak Japanese. The number of actual illegal immigrants in any given year (as opposed to visa overstays who leave eventually) numbers in the hundreds.

Also, Tokyo Big Sight will no longer be open for business.

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>>17886348
>The number of actual illegal immigrants in any given year
>numbers in the hundreds
>You can't do jack shit in Japan without papers
Two misconceptions. The number of illegal immigrants is actually much greater and nobody knows how many there are because they are protected by yakuza, but reasonable estimates go from 20 to 200 thousand. When an illegal immigrant finds work in Japan, it's effectively always with yakuza, there are very few, and I mean very, very few, exceptions of illegal workers in Japan who don't work directly or indirectly for the yakuza. And if an illegal immigrant works for yakuza, they don't count as ``illegal'' because nobody fucks with the yakuza in Japan. And they are given fake passports anyway, so in the end these people are counted as either foreign residents or Japanese nationals by the many census organizations.

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>>17886348
>Also, Tokyo Big Sight will no longer be open for business.
Wait what? Is that only for the duration of the Olympics or is it a permanent thing?

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>>17885405
Cancer.

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>>17886416
hurrf durfff cancer

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>>17886348
Right, but even if you're sued for copyright infringement, you still appear in court and the case is decided upon by a judge.
Under the old TPP, you could literally be dragged in front of a tribunal made up of the very people suing you, without a lawyer, where they simply decided whether or not you were guilty while being able to legally impose penalties upon you.

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>>17885405
>Baneposted in the inauguration speech
[citation needed]

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>>17886462
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-quoted-bane-in-inauguration-speech-2017-1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI3MARgU0s8

[Anonymous No.]

Trump did a good thing? Wow. Color me surprised, that's amazing.

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>>17886376
>talking out my ass: the post

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>>17886734
who are you quoting

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>>17886376
Why would the yakuza employ and protect a bunch of illegal immigrants? That seems like a lot more effort than it's worth.

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>>17885325
>abusive copyright clauses affecting the distribution of otaku-culture media is not otaku culture.
Kill yourself, retard.

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Too green. Yuck.

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>>17888823
Dependability. They've got nowhere else to go and need the yakuza's backing to stay, so they won't betray them.

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>>17889185
Who are you quoting?

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>>17888823
Mostly because illegal immigrants are very cheap labor. They are effectively slaves, because they are made to work more than the Japanese salarymen, which by itself is a superhuman feat, and the pay they get is so low they can only barely afford basic stuff like food and toilet paper. They are only paid so they can survive. And the illegal immigrants can't do anything about it. They can't report them to the police, because they will be deported and the police are actually an arm of the yakuza so the yakuza doesn't get shit on, and they can't run, because you can't run from the fucking yakuza. Many illegal immigrants work in private security and as middlemen for drugs smuggling (specially black immigrants), prostitution (most females), but in most cases, it's just typical work, like office work or running a store, the only differences are you're not protected by any laws, you will work twice as much as a Japanese salaryman while earning one fifth of the pay, and you shouldn't be surprised if one day you wake up in a surgery room, about to have your organs removed and sold in the blacket market. The silver lining is you get ``yakuza protection''. Nobody with mental sanity will try to fuck with you, even just touch you. If they do they're fucked. Yakuza treat their subordinates fairly well in terms of protection. It's a matter of honor and respect.

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>>17882467
>>17882773
>>17882851

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>>17882467
>>17882851
Yaeh, sure. I can't wait for 2022 Qatar World Cup to bring the Western feminist values to the Arab world, too.

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>>17890387

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>>17889496
What backwards values. Treat your subordinates with honor and respect but employ them as slaves? Disgusting fuckers.

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>>17890884
You sure sound surprise that the literal mafia is made up of a bunch of fuckers

[Anonymous No.]

>>17890890
Not at all. Doesn't have to be surprising to be disgusting.

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>>17890905
That's fair I guess.

It does make me wonder, why do they even bother immigrating illegally to begin with? Why don't they just get themselves deported? Surely wherever they came from is better than this, and if it isn't, why wouldn't they go somewhere other than a xenophobic island nation run by the mafia?

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>>17885405
>Twitter feed is salt mining and shitposting
And this is relevant to 4chan because?

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>>17882397
Didn't a politician say that the TPP woudn't have affected Comiket anyway? Did you guys believe him? Did you not believe him?

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>>17890387

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>>17891089
See:
>>17884691
>>17885405
>>17886416
>>17886734
>>17886741
>>17889205
>>17889327
>>17890387
>>17882457
For a selection of quality™ 4chan™ shitposts from this thread alone. It's in the 4chan DNA. If you want to get technical (and perhaps philosophical), I think saltmining is really just a new term for trolling. In which case, that is also in the 4chan DNA.

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>>17891520
Your QA device seems to be broken. There are some posts in there that are not shitposts:
Anons concerned about the misuse of the quoting function and if I'm interpreting correctly the guy writing cancer since he rightfully called the other guy you also quoted cancer.

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>>17891704
It's not a quoting function. At least not specifically. In local usage, ">" may be used to quote, but it may also be used to imply something. In the classic /sp/ usage, it came in the form of an admonition of condiment placement used in conjunction with the Costanza ISHYGDDT image. Specifically,
>putting ketchup in the fridge
Additionally, the ">" is used as a narrative device that can (and does) switch between third and first person as necessary. Granted, this is mainly used on other boards, but it is still a legitimate function that is not a direct quote. This have rise among the shitpost-heavy boards of the phrase "who are you quoting", when ">" was not being used to quote in the first place. If ironic shitposting is still shitposting, then it stands to reason that shitposting in ignorance is as well. In that case, your post should probably be added to the list.

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>>17891704
Addendum: calling something cancer with no other context is like announcing a sage, but even less useful.
And for clarification, it was my post that he called cancer in the first place.

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>>17891845
"Who are you quoting" isn't just a meme. If you look at a thread on /jp/ that's likely to attract crossboarders (like this one) then there will be a pretty direct correlation between the shitiness of a post and its misuse of the quote function.

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>>17891845
flipping biased

[Anonymous No.]

Trump does something good & relevant
Communists:
>DRUMPF IS A FUCKING NAZI GO BACK TO /Pol
Quoting (((You))) >>17890387

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>>17891845
The original and current function of the ">" character has always been and will always be for quoting, sorry. The reason why "greentexting" became a thing is that, when you think about it, greentexts are in fact quoting something: actions. Take the greentext you used as an example, it's quoting the act of putting ketchup in the fridge, instead of a direct mention of doing so.
The reason why "who are you quoting" because more popular (and as a result, horribly misused) recently is because of the /jp/ rejects who invaded /qa/ and attracted all kinds of ironic weeaboo newfags.

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>>17893123
>>17891845
">" is used for quoting and misquoting(paraphrasing) what someone has written

On the other hand:
>be this, do that
>he was a bear

>List item 1
>List item 2

>Dumb, pathetic bullshit
why live?

That type of stuff is used in order to make low quality posts. wayq was used in protest against those kinds of stupid greentext stories and lists that in no way require you to be using a quote. Shitposters don't really grasp this and jump to use it whenever they can.