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1787370 No.1787370 [Reply] [Original]

Why is Shirou such an idiot? He either acts like captain obvious, a 50's era misogynist or a general with the tactical prowess of a chimp giving orders. What is his appeal?

>> No.1787373

Play HF, problem solved.

>> No.1787378

shirou has had more sex than you

>> No.1787379

>Get up
Dont get up

>> No.1787385

How about because at least he's a nice guy with an impossible but beautiful dream? Someone you can count on to always help you out if he can?

>> No.1787386

>Get up
>Dont get up
Get up

>> No.1787390

You're just jealous that an idiot like him can get loli, knightly, magical and dominating sex anytime he wants.

>> No.1787392

>>1787370
>Shirou such an idiot?

how is he an idiot if he mastered projection magic capable of standing up to servants 1 on 1? Hes a fucking misunderstood genius.

>> No.1787400

>>1787390
Is that NOT a good reason to be jealous?

>> No.1787401

faggots wish they could cook like Shirou

>> No.1787407

>>1787390
I'm more jealous that he grows up to be a fucking awesome tragic hero.

>> No.1787415

Shirou is so cool I was that I had a friend like him.

>> No.1787431

>>1787385
And yet he can't understand that Shinji is evil, in spite of the overwhelming evidence that indicates that he wants liquefy all the students in the school.

>> No.1787438

>>1787392
He only mastered it because he's the stereotypical male character/Gary Stu. No matter how much of lamer/idiot/failure they are, they'll always be able to master some skill/ability/whatever the fuck that no one else, or very few could master simply because they are the main character. That's always how it works. Don't deny it. He's no genius, just the main character.

>> No.1787439

>>1787431
It's more about loyalty. He refused to believe someone he grew up best friends with could be such an ass, until there was undeniable proof.

>> No.1787449

>>1787431
Shinji was his friend and not a magus so why would Shirou suspect him of being involved?

>> No.1787451

>>1787373
Uh, he isn't any smarter in HF.

>> No.1787452

Shirou's appeal is that you could backstab him and he will forgive you willingly, hes the guy that everybody goes to for help.

>> No.1787454

>>1787451
using rulebreaker to save Sakura was pretty smart...

>> No.1787472

>>1787431

Shinji was a rapist and a bastard. He can mellow out though and not be as much as an ass though, at the end of UBW.

>> No.1787470

>>1787454
That was all Archer and his arm. Shirou himself doesn't know about Rulebreaker since he never saw Caster fight.

>> No.1787474
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>>1787370
he is my King's lover

>> No.1787482

>>1787370
>Why is Shirou such an idiot?
Hes not, he is just too nice that he ends up getting used
>What is his appeal
sex

>> No.1787496

Mind of Steel route, WHERE?

>> No.1787502

I actually envy Shirou, the way he can live true to himself. I feel like such an ass when I think about how I deceive people into thinking I'm somebody that I'm not for the sake of convenience

>> No.1787511
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>>1787470
hurrrr

>> No.1787527

>>1787511
How did Shirou already knew about Rule Breaker?

>> No.1787540

>>1787527
Shirou can recognize weapons' abilities intuitively.

Same way he knew Gae Bolg was a demon lance, and that Gilgamesh's stuff were proto-Noble Phantasms.

>> No.1787539

>>1787527
He can determine the composition,abilities, and history of any sword just by looking at it.

>> No.1787543

>>1787527

because he saw it in the previous routes

>> No.1787572

>>1787540
I never got why Shirou never traced/spammed Gae Bolg, any real reson beside not wanting to kill?

>> No.1787576

>>1787572
he can only trace swords and shields

>> No.1787590

>>1787370
His appeal is that he's such an awesome cook; hell, I wish I was just like him.

>> No.1787593

>>1787572
Gae Bolg is difficult to use. And he's not smart plotwise.

>>1787576
Shirou can produce any weapon, but at a greater mana cost if it's not a sword.

>> No.1787606

>>1787527
because he totally read its history and composition by looking at it?

>> No.1787609

>>1787593
How is it difficult to use? Doesn't it go something like
1. trace spear
2. say magic words
3. J-J-JAM IT IN
4. ?????
5. Profit

>> No.1787616

>>1787609
Shirou would mess up the pronunciation and stab himself in the ass.

>> No.1787619
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>>1787370
he tries too hard to do anything

>> No.1787618

>>1787609
Shirou's Spear skill is E

>> No.1787620

>>1787609
Shirou doesn't have affinity with weapons that aren't swords. They're harder to read. And the activation of a Noble Phantasm requires knowing it well. Saying its name is just a will for it to act to its fullest.

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1787623

If Angra Mainyu manifested a person's element, would that mean dark shirou would have Swords instead of Tentacles?

>> No.1787624

>>1787572
Presumably, he can recreate the spear, but he doesn't actually know how to use it so that it'll pierce the heart every time it's thrown. Rho Aias is a conceptual weapon that blocks projectiles just by existing, but Gae Bolg requires special training.

>> No.1787625

>>1787616

And Gae Bulge would be fufilled.

>> No.1787641

>>1787401

>>1787590

lol

>> No.1787642

>>1787623
Sakura was the perfect vessel for Angra Mainyu's power, being water-forced void.

She was the ultimate curse machine.

>> No.1787688
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>>1787642

>> No.1787777

Shirou's appeal is that even though he holds an impossible ideal, instead of being a pussy and giving up he becomes a total badass and achieves his goals by always being true to himself. He's a nice change from all of the overly pessimistic characters who can never shut up about how everyone will always betray you and how horrible of a place the world is.

>> No.1787783

> 1. Save Saber
> 2. ... Swing arm down

>> No.1787786

>>1787777
This.

He can walk a path knowing that it will destroy him, but still do it just because it's beautiful.

>> No.1787790

>>1787431
The line between a douchebag and a Guy who would have no qualms of letting a school be melted is not THAT thin.

>> No.1788195

>>1787438
He only mastered it twice. Every other time he either fucked himself up royally or had another weapon handy. The first was UBW route. The second was Archer.

>>1787527
Because the majority of HF's little details were ham-fisted. Sakura's relationship development was rushed. Servants got jobbed at twice the going rate of UBW route. Rin became a sort of superbitch with suddenly no clue as to locate and deal with the enemy. Details like Rulebreaker were shoved in quickly and then forgotten until relevant (he'd at least developed a permanent circuit before when he started storing weapons data in the other two routes). Rider went from shit to win in the span of a night (and pushed the Command Seal into hax Life Up proportions). Zouken managed to fuck over every single master, INCLUDING Illya, who knew of all the Servant's locations. Illya suddenly couldn't sense Gilgamesh. Gil took his sweet fucking time acting after Lancer died.

It was good, but it was ham-fisted like crazy.

>>1787777
Except most of your typical japanese story are all about this mentality. Shirou just gets the chance to take it beyond the extreme, is all.

>> No.1788477

>>1787511
>>1787783

This begs for a question that why didn't Shirou trace Ruuru Bureikaa to convert his estranged Servant? I would have rather seen him doing it to Saber than that disgusting slut Sakura.

>> No.1788485

>>1788477
Once you go black, you never go back.

You think that she'd be satisfied with Shirou's lackluster mana-transfer after being on the receiving end of Sakura's tentacles?

>> No.1788489

>>1788195
>Except most of your typical japanese story are all about this mentality. Shirou just gets the chance to take it beyond the extreme, is all.
I wouldn't say MOST Japanese stories are like that. Like I said, there are also plenty of protagonists who are almost the polar opposite of Shirou in their pessimism. It may be a common theme, but I think F/SN explores it better than any other work I've encountered. It certainly is more realistic about the difficulties of having an ideal like Shirou's than your typical "you can do anything if you try hard enough" plot.

>> No.1788521

>>1788477
>Ruuru Bureikaa
I winced.

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