/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>17839837
I hate this bitch.

>>17840018
go easy, her right leg is clearly broken

when i started i told myself that getting to the point where i can read children books would be a worthwhile step, now without kanji i find them confusing as fuck

What is the anime equivalent of よつばと?
In other words, what's the easiest anime to attempt to watch without subs?

>>17840239
ドラえもん

>>17840086

let's all take it ez

ハサミでお前のちんちんを切ってやるぞ

What do you all put on the back of your cards?

Full J-E definition?
Full J-J definition?
Partial J-E definition? (if so, how do you choose which definitions to include and exclude?)
Partial J-J definition? (same question as above)

If you use J-J definitions, what do you do when one has a word you don't know?

Fucking reps man. At least the system works but it sure takes its toll.

>>17840354
>Partial J-E definition? (if so, how do you choose which definitions to include and exclude?)
I have this only. I exclude the ones based on heavy synonym use, rare use.
The first priority being how it was used when I mined it.

>>17839837
足

おはようおにいちゃん

ふんがー

ＯＰのあれ

えいごで

あぐらをかくってなんていうの？

>>17840060
I found reading without Kanji to be really difficult for awhile, like anything with Japanese it gets easier with time as you learn more.

>>17840500
sit cross-legged

>>17840511
あめりかって靴脱がないんでしょう

くつはいたままあぐらかくの？

can someone spoonfeed text hookers to me, i downloaded one but it didn't work with はなひら and having to listen to the words i don't recognize and type the word into browser based on that is painful

>>17840583
Which one did you download? ITH works fine with hanahira.

>>17840583
https://djtguide.neocities.org/resource%20guide.html#Visual%20Novels

>>17840239
>>17840251
Basically what anon says. I've been watching Pocket Monsters raws since Sun & Moon began and I understand like 98%.

>男
>麻
>笑

>>17840683
ネ申 ほ ど ク ソ ネ タ

>>17840667
I figure the remaining 2% are Japanese Pokemon names?

あの、前スレで日本人名乗ったワイなんですけどね、実はホンマに日本人なんですよ。で、関西弁の話したら外人のアノンさんに『全然意味わからんぞ』って凄まれてもうて、『(あれ、ワイの日本語どっかおかしいんかな？)』て思たんですけど、やっぱどっこもおかしないし、でも外人さん怖いし、思わず『えろうすいまへん』て謝ってもうたんですね。ハイ。
でワイの言いたいのはですね、あれ、ほんまにちゃんとした日本語だったんですよ、はい。あ、すんません。えろうすいませんでした。

>>17840511
シット？

じゃあせいざはファック？

>>17840734
Sometimes yeah. There are some words which I don't know sometimes but it's stuff one can make out from context. Also, Sun & Moon anime is really good, most fun Pokemon has been in many many years.

リリエわめちゃくちゃ可愛い！

>>17840741
こんなクズどもに謝る必要はないぜ

>>17840734
ぴーかーちゅー

びーかー

>>17840741
あらまたヒロくんや
実はな、あの時で何言ってんねんと言うたけど文脈は曖昧やからあれ？関西弁が動物の鳴き声と同じだとなら何で関西弁で話しとるやんけって思ったや
ヒロくんの日本語は不自然やった場合やあらへんで、突然そんなおかしいことを言うながら関西弁で話すとは変やろって
けど関西弁は動物の鳴き声と同じって言うたのを今すぐに謝れわ、ホンマ！

>>17840760
うるせえわ

>>17840817
ああ、あのときのキミか。読んでくれてありがとうな。
でもキミほんとの関西人やあれへんやろ？ほんまのこと言えや？外人やろ？わかるんやで？
でな、正味の話な、関西人なんてあれ動物とそう違えへんやんか?言うたらあれやで、牛さん豚さんのほうがなんぼか上の存在いうてもええやで。
そうやろ？ほんまのこと言ってや?

>>17840754
いっしょうけんめいかいた

せんではないよね

どうがしっかりしなさい

>>17840871
>外人やろ？
外人や当たり前やろ、言葉遣いはむちゃくちゃやん
>関西人なんてあれ動物とそう違えへんやんか?
今でも関西人と動物の関係さっぱりわからんわ、動物の上の存在ってなんでやねんホンマ、お前インド人かよ？
>そうやろ？ほんまのこと言ってや?
何がそうって言うやん

post some cool 四字熟語

一発逆転
自業自得
弱肉強食

>>17841066
十人十色

>>17841066
週八勤務

>>17841066
百花繚乱
花鳥風月
魑魅魍魎

>>17841066
無為無能

>>17841037
>言葉遣いはむちゃくちゃやん
そうでもあらへんぞ。君は相当ええ線いっとるわ。
>文脈は曖昧や：文脈が曖昧や
>同じだとなら：同じだとするなら
>思ったや：思ったんや
>場合やあらへんで：んとちゃうで
>言うながら：言いながら
>話すとは：話すのは
>謝れわ：謝れや
これだけ直せば完璧や。もう日本人と区別つかへん。ワイワイ詐欺できるで。

>今でも関西人と動物の関係さっぱりわからんわ
僕、埼玉住み言うたやんか。埼玉言うたら東京のすぐ北や、せやから、関西とはむっちゃ反りあわへんねん。
キミ日本来たこと無いんか？関西のやつらはな、やらしいで…

>>そうやろ？ほんまのこと言ってや?
な、ここまで言うたらわかったやろ？
キミはシートン先生やドリトル先生ちゃうんやから、ちゃんとした、人間の言葉を、話しましょうね？
ほな。さいなら。

>>17840760
あんたもおおきに

>>17841066
千載一遇

>>17841098
>無為無能
Story of my life.

>>17840354
I use Jap definition or the english one depending on wich one is more accuarate. For a word like oxygen the english translation would be best but for a word wich presents a more complex meaning the jap definition is usually the best while the english one tends to just use wichever word is the closest in english causing one to miss the nuance.

>>17841066
一攫千金

The rikai audio for it sounds fucking sick

>>17840999
こういう えがら だし
もんくを いうなら どうがレベルより げんがレベルの はなし だよ

>>17841089
>魑魅魍魎

what the fuck man

>>17841123
誤りを直せば自然な日本語と似合うやろ...
ワイまだ全然ダメや、少なくともあと2年の練習と勉強は必要わ...
>埼玉言うたら東京のすぐ北や
まぁそれ知っとるな
つまりわかったら自分が以前関西に住んだと言うワケちゃう？
ホンマ日本人なら（まだ信用できんし、日本人がこのスレにくるなんて意味あらへん）自分の会話台はワイに高すぎて分からんやで
>キミ日本来たこと無いんか
去年行ったことあるんけど関西に行ったことあらへん
>関西のやつらはな、やらしいで
そう言うても一般に関西人に興味じゃんくて方言やで
>ここまで言うたらわかったやろ？
せめて大半やな
>キミはシートン先生やドリトル先生ちゃうんやから
なんやあの人たちのん？あれ冗談かい？
>人間の言葉を、話しましょうね？
つまり関西弁で話すのをやめてと言うワケちゃう？いやわ
>ほな。さいなら。
おいおい一人ぼっちせえへんで！

The hell is happening here?
Ena says "It's not dad" but she actually means that it is him?

Is it normal to have trouble following Japanese news? Shit is so difficult, so much political/technical terms and stuff that just goes over my head and sounds like gibberish.
I guess that's a real sign of fluency, if you can follow the news.

>>17841186
First day of Japanese?

What's the best way to do custom study sessions in anki?

>>17841190
wouldn't be on this thread if it wasn't

>>17841186
> Ena says "It's not dad" but she actually means that it is him?
The other woman/girl says that she sometimes forgets that it's not him.

>>17841306
Encountered this accidentally yesterday. Wonder what he means by "translators"...

>やっぱりなんとしても

"However it is..."
"Even if that is the way it is..."

(Close?)

>>17841389
You should have looked those two up because you're not even remotely close.
>"Even if that is the way it is..."
I hope you don't also read それにしても as "even if you do that."

>先生だかに説教されてて、移動教室に向かうのがひとり遅れたらしいんだよ
That だか seems to be working just like とか here, right? Since she's not 100% sure who scolded her
>>17841389
多分 No matter what I do, it's hopeless

5 years in and "learning" Japanese is super boring. It was honestly more fun doing Anki and reading slowly. Now it's just boring. I assume most people won't believe me, but you'll probably come out the other side not even interested in the reason why you started. Oh well, maybe in a few years you'll realize. Maybe I'll start Chinese, because the learning part is actually the best part. After that I might as well be reading English, it's the same experience.

>>17841463
>implying I wouldn't start learning another language/other skill when I'm done

Of course it's boring when the challenge isn't there anymore, doesn't mean that you didn't enjoy your time, does it?

>>17841410
>>17841439
Well here's the line of thinking that led me to my translation

やっぱり -- "either way; nonetheless"
なんと -- "how; by what means"
して -- する
も -- converse conditional

Combining to "either way how it is done (the following clause will occur)" which I took to mean something like "However it is..."

Context will probably help; second panel from the top, left

>>17841251
but, it's him
he's the dad

Why does コーヒー have kanji?

>>17841519
中国語から？

>>17841519
So you can be sophisticated and read it カハイ.

>>17841519
Because kanji are cool.

>>17841547
I love kanji

>>17841089
>>17841167
I think it's time to change my font

>>17841566
I'm starting to love it. Went back to basics and started memorizing the radicals rather than mining from twitter which I still do but it's less of a focus. It makes things much clearer than mnemonics to me. I don't have to memorize some silly phrase like the crow flies at midnight (not actual) or the hand takes someone's ear (actual). I just put the radicals together like legos when anki droning and it sticks. It works. /blog.

>>17841490
Yeah but most people are reading with the delusion that they want to "watch a lot of anime" or something. They probably won't ever do that, my guess is they'll end up watching less in the end after they're past the point of "I need to force myself to keep learning".

>>17841566
I love them as well.

>>17841463
>After that I might as well be reading English, it's the same experience.
You're implying the material I want to read is available in English. Not to mention a shitload of nuances getting lost in translation.
>>17841648
>watch a lot of anime
There are more things than anime out there, anon. I'm learning Japanese to read unadapted and untranslated manga, as well as light novels and visual novels, where the translation pace is as slow as it gets.
>They probably won't ever do that
I'm already doing that.

>>17841662
Sorry for the dumb newfag question but how do you generate these charts?

>>17841774
Kanji grid addon.
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/942570791

It took me a month to memorize like 70% of hiragana. I didn't even start katakana yet.
I'm pretty stupid, I'm not going to deny that, and it's making me want to give up when others learn faster than me. It doesn't help when I'm busy with work and can only study an hour or two a day.

>When your IME is fucked

>>17841849
still stuck on msime eh?

>>17841624
I thought the point of mnemonics was to associate the character with whatever the fuck it kinda reminded you of, not memorize someone elses shit.

>>17841848
Remove romaji, memorize the 五十音 order, print it, hang it above your desk. You can use pic related if you want. Read shit with furigana, like some shounen manga or song lyrics or whatever. Whenever you see something you don't know, refer to the poster and count the columns/rows to figure out the consonant and the vowel. After that you'll start to visualize where every character is on the chart and how different rows and columns correlate (for example, き is surely the か column, い row, therefore I know the reading).

It's probably one of the easier ways instead of just flashing them and/or writing them in your notebook for the next week Try it.

And remember - don't let others' success be the reason of your failure. Fight on and don't give up.

>>17841876
I'm still beginning kanji. Kodansha's method is pretty retarded so it wasn't for me. I'm currently trying the reading method with Japanese manga I import and mine the kanji from that. Mnemonics just doesn't make sense to me even if I make them up myself. Memorizing the radicals and mapping out where the placement is more structured and makes more sense to me.

>>17841662
>Probably Chinese Kanji

面白いです

>>17841878
>>17841848
Oh, and if you want some reading practice with katakana, you could either read some prewar Japanese documents like the constitution, or just use this https://c.lewd.se/LQi6Fi.html
I believe it is self-explanatory. I made it for a different anon a couple of months before, you might want to use it as well.

>>17841878
>>17841889
Thanks. That might help.

One more thing. I can read some things but I can't understand them. I still haven't really jumped into what words mean and just focused on kana. Should I still do it?

>>17841887
Those are just the ones not in the Kanken set, I believe right now I have some kokuji in there, so there should be more emphasis on "probably". It's usually traditional forms (with compatibility ideographs in black frames, they're usually different like one stroke or so), the rest are the ones I encountered while reading.
I might change the name to "Other" instead of "Probably Chinese".

>>17841897
Yeah, it's just for practice, so you don't really important to understand it. That comes after you at least know the phonetic alphabet. It's also good for you, you might get used to and memorize some patterns that will come up later.

>>17841909
>so you don't really important to understand it
what the hell am I doing
*so it's not really important to understand it

>>17841662
>that pic
For what reason anon.
Learning kanji barely helps with anything.

>>17841921
just let me be autistic

>>17841885
Thats perfectly understandable. I ended up learning them through brute force since nothing else worked.

>てかそれ私も言われましたよ
Does this mean something like "I would have said that too"? I can't figure out what てか is supposed to be.

can anyone give me a japanese version of はなひら? Please
ONEGAI
ONEGAI!

>>17841964
というか
I was told that too.

>>17841967
Why is there like a shitload weird abbreviations of that

>>17841967
I see. Thank you.

>>17841976
Why not?

>>17841976
Why not?

>>17841306
what is this plugin? please spoonfeed me

>>17841511
何としても is a set phrase.

>>17841950
It's pretty much the only thing that I've tried that works. Maybe brute force makes me inefficient but I'd rather know and retain the characters and meanings than remembering 取る　as the hand takes the ear everytime I see it. It interrupts my thought process and is sometimes confusing to remember. Am I supposed to remember ear, take, or hand? With radical study I know that it's the ear radical left of the right hand radical and that equals take. Anyways I've rambled on enough about how I study. Just felt like I'd share how I'm getting a sense of satisfaction from learning, recognizing, and loving kanji. It's very rewarding and keeps me coming back to study day after day.

>>17841982
>>17841984
It was more of a rhetorical question. I actually see a reason, as it is used really often.

>>17841994
The mnemonics are only a shortcut to the meaning; in the KKLC preamble he tells you to go ahead and discard them once the shape is familiar enough to you that you look at it and think "take".

The mneumonic approach is particularly helpful in distinguishing characters which principally have the same radicals, varying only by a stroke, or as the ancient Chinese were sometimes cruel enough to do, by the length of a stroke. I imagine the following set would be quite devilish without silly stories to go alongside.

天
夫
未
末
矢
失
朱

That said, by all means don't use them if you don't need them, as the end result is to throw them away regardless.

How to transition to J-J dictionaries?

I can understand the definitions at the point I'm at now, but every definition usually has at least one word that I don't know which I then have to look up, and in the definition for that word there will be more words I don't know, and so on and so forth.

But in using J-J definitions a few times, I've come to realise how deficient J-E "definitions" really are and don't really want to use them anymore if I can avoid it.

>>17841066
抱腹絶倒

>>17841439
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q116557276
looks like a contraction

>>17842667

Sometimes these intractable problems are most easily solved by giving yourself an artificial limit to how many entries you crawl through for each word you originally look up. So just decide you are only going to go 5 (or whatever you feel is right) entries deep in the rabbit whole, for everything else, just texthook or J-E.

>>17842830

rabbit hole*...

>>17841066
>>17842778
大草高原

>>17841186
I think it's like a surprised-annoyed-sarcastic-incredulous rhetorical question (but maybe even calling it a question is misleading).

I just started reading this chapter too. 頑張って

>>17842667
You don't have to recognize the synonyms they sometimes give at the end, but you should understand the main definition (usually the first sentence).

Keep building your vocab. If you don't understand dictionary entries, your vocab is still very deficient. Dictionaries purposely use a limited range of words even to describe difficult concepts.

>>17842927
>If you don't understand dictionary entries, your vocab is still very deficient. Dictionaries purposely use a limited range of words even to describe difficult concepts.
I guess this is the price of not using Anki.

Maybe I ought to start.

>>17842667
Also, here's some stuff I figured out after months of using goo辞書.

- Entries with example sentences tend to be the most common usage.
- Sometimes you will get multiple entries for a word search, e.g. a 訓読 and an 音読 that have nearly identical definitions. Go with the entry with modern example sentences.
- If the example sentence looks really strange, it's probably from something old/archaic, so you can ignore it.
- If you see 特に、多く、or　転じて, you can treat whatever follows as the actual definition 90% of the time.
- Some entries will have a footnote survey which basically says that close to 50% or even the majority of natives don't know what it means/will use it wrong e.g.流れに棹さす、敷居が高い
- Pay strict attention to footnotes which say 誤り、読まない, which usually describe a common reading pitfall
- (*alternative form*とも書く) is often the preferred way of writing it
- A triangle next to the kanji means it's a non-standard reading, a cross means it's an uncommon kanji, an equals or dash means the kanji and reading are inseparable e.g. 今日（きょう）武士（もののふ）. Be wary of triangle readings, a lot of them are not common or worth learning.

Some of it might be wrong (especially the kanji symbols, I still don't know what they entirely mean), so please correct me.

>>17843028
Thanks for the tips. I use EPWING dictionaries (広辞苑 and 大辞林) mostly when I try J-J look-ups, but I imagine a lot of this carries over to those too.

>>17843028
We should have a wiki for arbitrary useful knowledge like this. Something like the guide FAQ, but arbitrarily editable.

How am I supposed to use the EPWING dictionaries from the CoC? All I see are a bunch of 7-zip files stuffed with generic files

How hard is the Kimi no na Wa book?

>>17843085
You can use them with Rikaisama and Yomichan (although they don't really suit the format of those add-ons imo). Read their websites for instructions.

The best way to use them is with an EPWING reader like Qolibri.

>>17843151

http://www.kadokawa.co.jp/sp/kiminona/

scroll down and press 試し読み, you may have to disable adblock for it to work.

>all these kanji that are written the exactly same way, mean the same thing, but are read differently even when placed the same way
literally fucking why

>>17843364
Kanji aren't words.

>>17843369
But why would you use the same kanji for 2 words written exactly the same?
How is that not a huge fuck you in the reading department.

>>17843376
Maybe if you ask for help instead of complaining about vague things that could mean literally anything depending on how you were taught Japanese, you might get a real answer.

>>17843385
空く and 空く

>>17840057
>http://djtguide.neocities.org/
How'd that happen?

>>17840057
How'd that happen?

>>17843389
they mean virtually the same thing, the differences are in nuance and which subjects prefer one or the other
http://nihongonosensei.net/?p=2302
unless you have a reason to know that a particular instance of 空く is あく, you can just assume it's すく

>>17843418
That's what I meant though, and I've seen a bunch similar to this.
Where 'usually' it'll be read 1 way, but based on basically nothing it'll be read another way. And you just have to make sense of it out of nothing.
Which is really annoying, hence the complaint.

>>17843427
well it's not designed for you, it's designed for native speakers
and they know what words are normal in what contexts
example: two initial-stress derived nouns, REcord and CONflict, and their verbal counterparts, reCORD and conFLICT
when you read "I'm going to set it to record" and "I'm going to set it to conflict", you would easily read "I'm going to set it to reCORD" and "I'm going to set it to CONflict". it would be very unnatural to use the noun for the former or the verb for the latter.
this is the "native speaker intuition" that writing systems use to avoid the need to write prosody and accent into every syllable of every word, and if you go that far, why not write synonyms with identical morphology the same way, as well? as long as they're used in mutually exclusive places.
it's not until you start actually understanding japanese on more than a trivial level that you'll be able to understand anything you read with a reliable accuracy, anyway, so you shouldn't even care. you just have to make sure that text without furigana isn't your only exposure to the language, or you're going to have a stunted ability to acquire the supralinguistic and suprasegmental properties of the language (like prosody, which synonyms are common in which phrases, etc)

>>17843480
No anon, this is stupid and looking for excuses for why there's such a retarded way of writing a language.
When reading you should have a reasonable ability to read each word without knowing the full sentence beforehand.
Record doesn't suddenly read conflict of certain conditions are met. It might mean something difference based on context, but the reading is the same.

Just because you "can" sort of make jumps of logic as a native speaker to make it work, doesn't mean the way of doing it works, as it falls to the person to be able to sort it out.

>>17843523
please tell me where i made excuses for the language being written in a dumb way, because i'm pretty sure i didn't

>When reading you should have a reasonable ability to read each word without knowing the full sentence beforehand.
you can't do this in any language
you don't suddenly understand the way each word is stressed and how they link together just as you go from word to word, you need several phrases of context on both sides to be able to do so

>Record doesn't suddenly read conflict of certain conditions are met.
please actual read that section of my post until you understand what it's saying

>but the reading is the same.
REcord and reCORD are completely different "readings" with completely different "meanings"

>>17839837
How long can I expect it to take to learn Japanese? Perhaps not full fluency but the ability to understand people.

How the fuck do I stop forgetting mature cards in anki? I have ~75% overall retention but mature card rentention is ~50%.

>おっぱいに夢中なことを白状すれば

Does this mean something like "If I confess my breast obsession"? What function does に serve here?

>>17843531
>REcord and reCORD are completely different "readings" with completely different "meanings"
For reference to non-native readers of English who don't do enough listening: the vowels are completely different depending on the stress.

>>17843077
95% of it is common sense shit, with the remaining 5% a matter of spending ten seconds in Google to find out what symbols and abbreviations mean, if they aren't already painfully obvious.
Most anons are just simply thick as mud who won't learn Japanese in the first place.

>>17843647
New knowledge appears all the time and takes like six months to a year to be easy to find via google.

>>17843649
Not in respect to dictionaries. Face it: you're just dumb as shit and don't know the basics of using a search engine. Most of the problems in these threads, be it technical or language related are more issues of anons being either straight up lazy or too fucking stupid to search for something on Google without drooling all over their keyboards.

Look up what autodidact means. This thread is supposed to full of them.

>>17843656
Who do you think you're responding to?

>>17841463
That's why polyglots exist, and why so many Japanese learners pick up Chinese (and sometimes Korean). It's harder to stay entertained when you're not constantly seeing big differences in your ability to consume native material. If you want to go further, you have to MAKE it enjoyable yourself, which isn't easy.
>>17841848
Identify the hardest ones and figure out why. Consider googling mnemonics or visual cues to help you with those few, which you will forget after a couple months by the time you no longer have difficulty. Anything to help you recall in the moment without having to look at a chart. The most important thing you can do to improve your learning efficiency is find out EXACTLY what's holding you back sp you can attempt to address it.
>>17841921
It would be a shame if someone actually enjoyed what they're studying, wouldn't it.
>>17843523
>this is stupid
You will get a lot further if you are more interested in understanding than complaining. Every language in existence has "stupid" traits from historical usage, and the history itself usually turns out to be enlightening.

>bring over chinese characters without tones
>create a phonetic alphabet too
>never introduce spacing
>end up with a language that is relatively difficult to both read and hear due to homonyms and compound words

Well this is going to be not easy.

>>17843692
Who said learning Nip would be easy?
Observing these threads makes me laugh on the inside, but also cringe at how fucked anyone is coming into this new.

>>17843706
I never thought it would be harder than Mandarin.

>>17843692
any language is not easy

>>17843709
The world would be a better place if everyone spoke American.

>>17843716
English is almost as a mess as Japanese

>>17843716
we would understand way less about how languages work and the divergence when different regions start speaking radically different dialects and countries establish their own spelling rules will be more violent than anything we currently have on a global scale

>>17843692
1 and 4 are the same and is a valid difficulty
2 is the opposite of difficulty
3 is irrelevant

>>17843399
なんとなく

>>17843784
No, I mean combining two with 1 was the mistake

Either fully phonetic or logos

>>17841571
It looks like a manual bitmap drawing; you have to remember that someone did their best to cram all those damn strokes into that tiny pixel grid, and personally I think they did a damn fine job with the restrictions they had. Instead, you should start using larger font sizes.

>>17843692
Kanji eliminate the need for spaces. Use enough kanji and the word boundaries present themselves.

>>17843708
From what I've been told, Mandarin is easy if you learn to study kanji/hanzi in the first place. Multiple readings are apparently relatively rare, and the grammar is simple. Don't judge language difficulty by shitty lists of how many hours of study it takes. I see many of them put CJK all in the same highest tier, presumably because even people who learn languages for a living try to tackle kanji/hanzi/hanja through rote learning, the same as native students, "write it over and over!"
>>17843801
I don't think fully logographic is a good fit for Japanese grammar, and I don't think fully phonetic is a good fit for the amount of homophones. Also, in the same way that long strings of kana are a pain, I imagine long strings of kanji would be unpleasant, especially when kanji will need to be re-used further for grammar. I think that adding spaces would have a noticeable but still limited improvement to either case. The alternation between kana and kanji works pretty well in general.
I don't think there's any point in complaining about kana when you're willing to learn kanji. Under a hundred extra symbols? Who gives a shit. It'd be convenient if they had some consistency between consonants and vowels, but the very limited phonetic range helps. As for kanji, google opinions on how Korean is after trying to deprecate hanja. It's a divisive topic, but my impression is that homophones are a pain and that younger natives raised without hanja have a hard time with etymology no longer being hinted by the writing.

>>17843692
>>17843805
It's also debatable where spaces should actually go. Romanization is very inconsistent about this.

>>17843706
しょうがないよね

What is the proper way to link two conditional statements? For example, I wanted to say "If you order too much food and you can't eat it all, then you have to pay an extra charge." I came up with "もし食べ物を食べることができるより食べ物を注文すれば別料金を払う必要です" but that's not quite what I'm looking for. I want to know how to say if X and if Y then Z.

>>17844013
>>17843805
>>17843692
Kanji are solution to a nonexistent problem. The lack of spaces cause no harm, it's just constant dekinai whining. I've never had any problems with it. And if space is really needed (the sentence would be ambiguous without it) - you're free too add it, it's not like it's forbidden. Look at Yotsuba&! or Pokemon games.
>Romanization is very inconsistent about this.
Romanization is for faggots, learn the fucking language instead of debating unimportant shit.

>>17844039
>Kanji are solution to a nonexistent problem.
They're not a solution to anything. They're just there.

Your toxic sophomoric attitude and lack of understanding the relevant background issues prove that you're just upset about your own misconceptions and want to rant and prove something unfounded right.

Fuck off until you understand at least basic Japanese.

>>17844039
>Kanji are solution to a nonexistent problem
How's your first month going?
>Romanization is for faggots
I responded to someone talking about spaces that no one knows where spaces should go, I fully endorse that you should learn the language proper and fuck off, learn to follow context.

>>17844047
>They're not a solution to anything. They're just there.
That's what I said.
>Your toxic sophomoric attitude and lack of understanding the relevant background issues prove that you're just upset about your own misconceptions and want to rant and prove something unfounded right.
Oh, wow, how am I gonna defend against that argument.
>Fuck off until you understand at least basic Japanese.
You first.
>>17844048
>How's your first month going?
I never advocated against them, you moron, the nonexistent problem I brought up was the "waah, no spaces". Kanji don't help. Not whining helps a lot.

>>17844055
>That's what I said.
You implied that they were introduced to solve something in the first place, when the reality is that they are rooted in the history of the language and removing them would have unfortunate consequences. It's easy to say "I've never had trouble with long strings of kana" when you are clearly new. You can comment on it in a year.
>>17844055
>the nonexistent problem I brought up was the "waah, no spaces"
Literally no complained about no spaces, it is simply an obviously related topic to long strings of kana to anyone who isn't an elitist newbie.

>>17844055
consider learning how to communicate before engaging with people who are arguing

>>17844068
>I've never had trouble with long strings of kana
I do understand you've been learning for ten years now and you've been whining about kanji when you began, but now you saw how easier the language is with them and you have to go on full reverse. And I agree! I believe it is easier to read when there are kanji in a sentence, but I also believe there is no difference between a long kana string with spaces and without them. Kanji do help, but not with the spaces problem, as there is no problem.

http://japaneseruleof7.com/why-you-must-learn-kanji/

>>17844109
>I do understand you've been learning for ten years now and you've been whining about kanji when you began, but now you saw how easier the language is with them and you have to go on full reverse.
The fuck are you talking about? Consider that not everyone whines about everything that seems difficult. It's just idiotic to suggest that kanji make no difference, as the quote did.
>but I also believe there is no difference between a long kana string with spaces and without them.
I agree with this, but it doesn't make a long kana string less inferior to one with kanji. I don't know why you're so hung up on the insult that spaces were mentioned. No one complained about no spaces, it was just a couple of words exchanged. The anon I responded to could have left it at "kanji help identify word boundaries," but since they didn't, I thought I'd throw out that spaces wouldn't be a straight-forward issue anyway. It's not discussing how to make the language easier, it's a mildly interesting point about the agglutinative properties of the language itself, that what is and is not a boundary is debatable.

具合悪いな、このスレ

あまぞんが

なんか

すっごいすすめてくる

苺ましまろを

おはようさん
今日もええ勉強しまっせ

>>17844376
やだもん
だ
も
ん
い・や・だ・もん

>know over 2k words
>still only understand 40% of anime
This is not FAIR

>>17844476
2k words only gets you so far.
It also depends on what shows you watch. Chances are that something like Non Non Biyori will have much higher coverage of the vocabulary you already know than something like Psycho-Pass.
A few months ago I tried watching Fate/Zero with subtitles just to test my hearing comprehension but the vocabulary was WAY out of my league so I knew it was time to give up and come back another time.

>>17844487
Worst part of all is when they start talking in some low pitched accent where you can't understand shit
"BOKU WA aterughckchghk aru yo!"

>>17844493
>low pitched accent
I have no idea what that means. Care to cite an example?

>>17844031
You don't need two conditionals here, just say "if you can't eat all the food you ordered".

>>17844476
What anime are you watching where you can understand almost half of it with only 2k words?

I'm still trying to learn hiragana. I'm reading stuff to practice but I still have trouble distinguishing between つ and っ. And the font they use doesn't help (I'm reading stuff in danbooru and manga). Will it become easier once I start learning about what words mean and start recognizing that the word doesn't exist so it must be the other one?

For example the word やっかい. Sometimes I would read it as やつかい but since that word doesn't exist (did a quick google search) then that means やっかい is the correct way to say it.

Same thing with the others, ゃ ゅ ょ. It's sometimes hard to tell because of the font.

>>17844546
やつかい could appear in a text I think (やつ＋かい)

>>17843804
This is (surprisingly) Kochi Gothic, and yes it looks really good. However this size is really hard for non-natives/beginners to read, although 9px is theoretically enough: https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/36423/is-this-8px-height-font-understandable-for-japanese-knowing-people/36432#36432

>>17844550
Well, shit.
I guess I'll just keep trying to recognize the kana and once I start learning what words mean then I'll try to figure something out.

>>17844550
To add to this:
やつかい could appear, but it's not a single word. Furthermore, やつ does have a kanji associated with it (奴) and although it's usually written with kana, you can still write it like that if you want.
And in spoken form you can clearly hear where the two words start and end. If I'm not mistaken, やっかい (厄介) is ●○○○ (high, low, low, low) while 奴かい be ●○●○ (high, low, high, low.)

>>17844496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvVuiEGu1xo
like this but like x5 worse
>>17844538
Any slice of life anime?

おはようおにいちゃん

おせんたくびよりだったね

ただ愛することよりむしろホントに関西弁のアクセント型を調べることにしたけどこれホンマ標準語と異なるなぁ
いや異なると言うより、これいっこも類似あらへん
例えば標準語で形容詞の普通の型は「低高低」やな？関西弁で普通の型は「高低低」ってさ！
そんも関わらず大変興味あるんやけどこれホンマにホンマにむずそうやで

could someone help in finding a picture of a chart that showed how much jojyo kanji is used in newspapers, novels etc.?
I saw it on DJT but cannot navigate to it any more

>>17844662
The sad reality is that kansai-ben sounds way better than standard Japanese but it's hard to find any sort of breadth of material where it's spoken. Even if you listen to kansai radio stations they all just speak in standard Japanese.

>>17844671
If it's the image I'm thinking of, it's linked in the guide under the kanji section.

>>17844682
Yep, that's the gist of it. Didn't manage to find any sites with audio samples showcasin' the differences in pitch accent anywhere, the best ya can find are short 1-minute-or-less audio samples of some people talkin' into a noisy microphone where ya struggle enough as is just hearin' what they say, let alone what the patterns for the words are.
And like ya said, ain't much material where it's spoken. I only know a handful of anime that have Kansai speakers that ain't just a one-off gag or faceless character, let alone where most of the cast actually speaks it.
I'd happily pay for some kind of dictionary that has audio samples of common words, but that just doesn't seem to exist.

>>17844695
It's your chance to do the research. You can become a famous kansaibenologist!

>>17844688
can't find anything

this shit is the dumbest thing ever

>>17839837
Great for listening practice
https://youtu.be/wYGkC1JCMvA

>>17844701
Believe me, I'd love to. This overly enthusiastic gaijin still has a long way to go though. I ain't dumb enough to think I can properly research a dialect when I can't even properly speak standard Japanese yet.
One day achievin' at least written "fluency" in the Kansai dialect is what keeps me goin', but it's a long term goal.

>>17844703
what's so dumb about it? if you see dumb things at kana level you'll have a very hard time to even get decent at Japanese

>>17844715
there's just no way to handwrite it and make it look aesthetic without writing incredibly slowly

>>17844725
git gud
I bet you haven't written it even 100 times

>>17844695
I think really the only way you can get any sort of significant exposure to it is to actually move to Japan somewhere in the Kansai region (I think a lot of gaijin live in Osaka), but then there's the question of whether or not anyone will actually speak their dialect to you or if they'll all just speak to you in standard Japanese thinking a waito piggu like yourself is too dumb to understand them otherwise.

>>17844695
You should try Fukushima Japanese

Because who needs tones?

>>17844748
Yeah, that's another thing to worry about. Some people are shy about their accents to begin with and will only speak standard Japanese to anyone who isn't from Kansai, but even people who normally speak with their dialect "on" are probably just gonna speak standard Japanese to ya.
And never mind actually getting your intonation corrected unless ya explicitly ask for it on several occasions. Say nothin' and you can bet you'll be gettin' the usual 日本語上手ですね！関西弁も完璧ですよ！

>>17844761
Can't say it gets me goin' the same way the Kansai dialect does. 'Sides, I like intonation. One of the main reasons I like the Kansai dialect is just because of how lively it sounds thanks to all the intonation.

>>17844725
you sound like a tard

I know 930 kanji
feels good and proud to have been learning it without a single day break

I shall laugh at fags who ignored RTK and started with some Genki shit and possess only 50 kanji in their heads

why does fucking every kanji have コウ for kunyomi

>>17844709
this is a nice video, just to listen to in the background

>>17844725
Those little loops in む and す are somewhat difficult. But you should practice more.

>>17844811
Do you even write your kanji from memory?

>>17845169
yeah
but I started to spend less time on writing because it's taking considerable amount of time when studying new kanji at the same time
i'm taking lazy approach to it because of computer typing and stuff, I don't see any use in knowing how to write everything I learn because I won't be in a situation where it's required
I'm learning Jap only to be able to understand media

what's your favorite kanji?

i like the kanji for ame and miko.

ame because it looks like raindrops falling onto a windows and the first kanji for miko actually has the latin letters M and I if you squint

>>17845187
不

>>17844662
そもそも関西弁でしゃべる機会がないやろ
関西に住んでいるなら話は別やけどね

>>17845187
雨 is great. I like 業 for some reason.

>>17844767
It's not a matter of being shy or not, it is true that most gaijins, even experienced residents, can't understand strong accented Japanese correctly.
It's bothersome for them to switch a code everytime when they talk with gaijins, in the first place, there's no dialect difference in Keigo.

>>17845213
>そもそも関西弁でしゃべる機会がないやろ
自分自身に関西弁で話すやで
>関西に住んでいるなら話は別やけどね
もう言うたんで、バカ外人やから関西人に話そうとしたら標準語で答えるからダメやん

>>17845255
That depends on the speaker now dunnit? Even native Japanese speakers can't understand a really thick local dialect if they aren't used to it. I mean just where I live there's natives with dialects so thick I struggle to understand most of what they're sayin'. It's the same deal in any language with thick dialects.
'Course I don't think I could understand really thick Kansai either, but most people don't speak in the thickest dialect ya can imagine.

>>17845276
All Japanese dialects are based on standard Japanese, lately, so it's hard to find real thick accent in this 21st century.
Maybe they haven't spoken in standard Japanese, they've spoken in standard-mixed Kansaiben.

>>17845309
Are ya the same guy I was replyin' to or? Cause if so that contradicts what ya just said.
But yeah, most modern day Japanese dialects aren't thick at all. The biggest remainder of that is the pitch accents while the vocabulary and mannerisms are only partially remaining. The only people that really still speak in thick dialects are old people or those who live way out in rural places.
I mean even a relatively mild Kansai dialect can throw ya off if ya never heard one before and it'll sound like gobbledygook to your ears, but if ya know what things change then it really ain't that difficult, especially not in written form where things have no accents.

>>17843418
That explanation was really good. Don't suppose you have a similar page for 開く（ひらく） and 開く（あく）?

I've read through most of Flyable Heart now and I still haven't figured out which way I'm supposed to read it in which situations.

>>17845326
訛りの強さにも程度があるってこと
例えばダウンタウンの関西弁は関西人以外からみたら強い訛りに聞こえるかもしれないけれど、関西人からするとそこまででもない

>>17845346
>訛りの強さにも程度があるってこと
せやな、ワイ似非関西弁はかなり濃いやけどそれは楽しみのためだけにな
>関西人からするとそこまででもない
言うまでもないけど関西人やあらへんのにワイそうも思うで、最近あまり見いひんかったけどあんなに濃いなさそうな

give me a quick rundown on the usage of the ga particle. i still cannot wrap my head around it.

>>17845493
考えるな、感じる
それをすれば「が」の意味が明らかになる

Maybe Japanese is not for you, my friend. Try learning Esperanto.

>>17845503
>>17845493

>>17845503
dont be rude or else ill give you a kiss on the cheek

>>17845501
i'll guess i'll just read enough shit till i can get subconsciously used to it then. worked when i was learning english. thanks!

怖い怖い怖い怖い怖い怖いあああああめっちゃ緊張してるぜ

>>17845632
don't have a cow, man

>>17844546
It's largely what you said, recognizing what the contextual possibilities are. In handwriting practice with a grid, small characters are something like 25% of the size of normal characters, but in actual handwriting it gets sloppy, and fonts are often not much better. The biggest other clue is if you're lucky enough for the line of text to have a full-size and a small-size of the same character to visually compare width (or height) to.
>>17844695
Move to be surrounded by native speakers of the dialect and begin creating the resource yourself, you could get a lot of interest primarily from idiots who want to speak anime and can't dedicate themselves to actually getting anywhere with it.
I wonder if natives with a Tokyo dialect have as strong as a gut reaction to seeing someone type out a dialect as most English speakers do. If the spoken dialect makes you sound like a hick, typing it makes you sound like a wannabe-hick. Which is just kind of strange.
>>17845519
>read enough shit till i can get subconsciously used to it
Correct. Good luck, anon.

>>17845663
>I wonder if natives with a Tokyo dialect have as strong as a gut reaction to seeing someone type out a dialect as most English speakers do.
What do ya mean "Tokyo dialect"? The one separate from standard Japanese? If so, I imagine it'd be the same as about any dialect. If ya mean just typing out standard Japanese then しゃあないやろ, ain't like you can speak any kind of language without typing in some kind of "dialect" if some part of the country primarily speaks in the standard dialect.
>If the spoken dialect makes you sound like a hick, typing it makes you sound like a wannabe-hick. Which is just kind of strange.
Just doin' it cause I gotta keep up looks and I feel like it. I could just as well write normally but I already go out of my way to write in the Kansai dialect in this thread so why stop there.
Unless ya weren't talkin' about my English writing, in which case I dunno where ya get that from since Kansai ain't much of a hick dialect at all. Touhoku fits that bill better if ya ask me.

>>17845682
I meant standard Japanese, but probably shouldn't have said Tokyo. I was talking about the English, yes, no actual offense intended but it comes off strange and made me wonder aloud. In my experience, people who speak such a dialect natively still type fairly "standard" English with exception of habits like "y'all" and occasional grammar "mistakes" (from the context of "standard" English).

>>17845701
Well yeah, hardly anyone will actually type like this and add apostrophes to their -ing words like I do 'cause it takes more effort than just addin' the last g and not lookin' like an idiot.
It's really all I can do to add some kinda flavor to my English here since aside from some spellin' differences (color vs. colour) or vocabulary (elevator vs. lift) there ain't much you can do to type in an dialect in English.
I know it looks weird but it ain't like typin' in the Kansai dialect is much better as far as weirdness goes. At the end of the day I'm still writin' in a dialect I ain't a native of.

Anon-kun, you cheat in your Anki reps, don't you?
You hit "hard" instead of "again" when you don't remember a card.
Be a man and admit it.

>>17845842
I hit again even if I get it if it took longer than a couple seconds.

>>17845842
I actually do but on very few. Mainly because I have the answer on my tongue but can't get it out. I usually get it on the tries after.

>>17845842
I can't cheat at Anki since I don't use it.

>>17845842
Only when I'm doing reps when tired and can't remember things I usually can

頼むよ

>>17845945
何を？

Is there any kind of audio lessons I can listen to while traveling? I'm not talking about listening practice, but actual lessons

>>17846013
There are learn-japanese-type websites, some allow you to download lessons after the free registration.

Why does EDICT have separate definitions for certain conjugations of certain words?

e.g. 打つ and 打たれる

What's the point? The conjugated form here means exactly what you would expect it to mean. Why does it need its own definition?

>>17846029
prolly because 打つ is only related to 打たれる in only one of its usages

>>17844725
You are fucking retarded, す is literally the embodiment of perfection.

>>17845842
Unlike you, I am not retarded.

I'm lonely - does DJT have a discord?

>>17846176
Ask /int/

>>17846176
It's not /djt/ but this is an active nip learning server: https://discord.gg/65rJ4S

So I wanted to start reading manga to work on retention; I'm only a few months into learning kanji, radicals, and vocab. I intended on continuing that and trying to read Mitsudomoe and then adding the kanji I encountered that I haven't learned yet and trying to translate it. If I'm using Anki, how would I add specific words to the deck that I'm currently studying for kanji/vocab?

>tfw when you're reading a VN and then you try to look up a word, but realize the texthooker isn't even open and you've done fine without it for the last 10 whole minutes, and you know the readings of the kanji in the new word so you don't really need the hooker to look it up anyway

>>17846204
There's a button to add a card. But Anki is complex and somewhat counterintuitive, so you better read the manual.

>>17846223
Even the manual doesn't seem to help. May you point me in the right direction? I don't think I was specific, I should have a great deal of kanji already there that I haven't encountered yet in the deck. I'm just not sure how to move that specific card forwards.

>>17846217
I don't know that feel.

>>17846268
Ah, that. I don't know if it's possible. The easiest workaround would be to have a separate mining deck, and to add cards there as you are encountering new words.

What does みんしゃい mean?

「ふふん、勝てるものなら勝ってみんしゃい」

>>17846303
I would guess its something like てみないじゃない？
If you can win, why dont you try?

>>17846303
looks dialectal
https://www.google.com/search?q="みんしゃい"という意味&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

ネトラレが最高だぜ

>>17846319
最低だね

>>17846268
I don't generally mess with premade decks so I haven't really had to do this. As far as I know outside of sorting all new cards on a different field, the only way is to use a separate deck (filtered is easiest if they're already in there) and merge after they are learned, or possibly suspend all new cards and unsuspend the prioritized cards, then unsuspend the rest after learning.

>>17846303
My guess would be a colloquial slurring of 「勝ってみなさい」.

>>17846307
>>17846317
>>17846337
It's from Hanahira the scene where they play video games and kaori is losing all the time.


「あたしから一本でも取れたら、佳織ちゃんの言うことなんでも聞いてあげるよー」

「調子に乗ってるわね……」

「ふふん、勝てるものなら勝ってみんしゃい」 「必ず勝ってみせる！」

「かかってきんしゃい！」 < another te form verb + しゃい at the end

「その前に、私も説明書を読むわ。情報だけでも、対等じゃないとね」 「どーぞどーぞ」

>>17846307
>I would guess its something like てみないじゃない？
>If you can win, why dont you try?
Never heard about that, do you have a link or something?

>>17846363
Nah, I dont have any link for that. In retrospect it seems bullshit, but the meaning seems to be about right.
>>17846337 seems to be right.

「初対面なのにいきなりお説教してきた人じゃん」

いきなりお説教してきた describes 人, correct? This sentence is confusing me.

>>17846377
>>17846337
I hate slang / slurring whatever it is.
http://www.weblio.jp/content/%E3%81%A6-%E3%82%93%E3%81%97%E3%82%83%E3%81%84
Seems to be correct thx for the help.

>>17846363
>「あたしから一本でも取れたら、佳織ちゃんの言うことなんでも聞いてあげるよー」

While I'm at it, I'm not sure about this sentence here.
I don't really learned about counters so I'm not sure what she refers to here.

I interpreted it as something like this "If you can win one, I'll listen to what you say"
I could be completely wrong but that's what I think it might means.

>>17845642
Quoting bart simpson on jaypee?

>>17846567
The simpsons is a great anime

>>17844709
I don't get why these two don't have more views and subscribers. It is a decent growing channel.

>>17846574
was a great anime long long ago

>>17846575
prolly because i was bored to death in the first 5 seconds of the video

>>17846382
>いきなりお説教してきた describes 人, correct?
Yup

>>17846217
>tfw when that tough reading material suddenly starts to feel easier

Is maggie-sensei a prime example of good info let down by shitty formatting?

>made it through vol. 2 of 悪の華
>in vol. 3 the handwritten intermezzos are back.

>>17846602
Thanks, I have one more question:

「ボコボコにされて友達を消されて一緒に遊びまくったらドラゴンがフライアウェイだよ」

What does ボコボコ mean here? None of the definitions really make sense given the context.

>>17846662
Don't worry the author abandons them again in later volumes. I just wish that the MEGA file had all the chapters. Volume 6 ends on a cliffhanger.

Can someone put
>取りも直さず
in a sentence. I can't really get a good understanding of this in isolation, it seems like a really long version of 'i.e'
or 所謂

>>17846772
Google it and click the weblio or kotobank entries.

>>17846705
Beat up.

>>17845945
お断りします。

>>17846815
thanks, didn't know about kotobank

>「……じゃあ、山菜とか川魚で飢えをしのぐしかないな」
>「あの、真顔で検討することじゃ……たぶん、ない」
I'm a little confused on the second sentence here, particularly the negation. Can the translation be something like "Actually considering that with a straight face... no, that can't be possible", or is my understanding wrong here?

what the fuck is the "tangible object" もの
these explanations are literally just "more emotion" where is the tangibility or the object

>>17847100
It isn't something you need to consider with such a serious face... probably

ニコニコ動画：GINZAが大嫌い　原宿を返せ　くそ運営

>>17847175
a desk is a もの
a person is a もの
the universe is a もの
your having human hair is a こと
your living is a こと
the ideas in your head are こと

>>17841965
https://nyaa.si/view/493626

How do you guys use Anki? Do you write down the words and whatnot or do you just use the software?

>>17847647

I write the kanji until I feel like I don't need to anymore. I can't memorize kanji for shit without doing some amount of handwriting.

>>17847647
Most people seem to agree that physically writing, or enabling typing in answers, is slow and doesn't offer enough benefit. That being said, some people finger kanji strokes in the air when studying kanji directly, and if writing works better for you then go for it. I definitely physically write a new kanji a couple of times when it first appears in the learning phase.
I wouldn't bother doing that with words, as long as you're doing it with kanji.

How highly do you value en->jp vocab cards? More importantly, if I'm avoiding it now, am I going to cry when I add it and have thousands of new cards blocking my regular additions? I know that I can selectively enable them, but that sounds like a lot of micromanagement. How do you deal with words that have a very similar or identical English meaning? Slightly related, how do you deal with homographs in jp->en, do you just use sentence fragments or a more direct disambiguation keyword?

おはようおにいちゃん

>>17846382
>しょたいめんなのにおせっきょうしてくる

みやざきはやおのことかー

>>17844476
I know 5k and I still don't know what the fuck a Japanese is

>>17847700

I think the general consensus is that E-J vocab cards are pointless

People that say desu are girls right? Or can guys say it too?

>>17847770
it's gender-neutral polite language that is also used predominantly by girls in informal settings

>>17844584
>Any slice of life anime?
Kill yourself you fucking moron. I'm so sick and fucking tired of idiots pushing this cancerous meme. Pretty much ANY so called slice of life show will be chock full of pivotal vocabulary that you won't find in any Core vocab deck or most common 2k/6k/10k word frequency lists.
The faggots who vomit this meme would be lucky to actually comprehend 50% of these shows they like to think easy. All they do is watch the imagery and assume they understand what is actually being said. Take an audio rip of these shows and see how much you can follow simply from listening comprehension. I reckon you in particular would be entirely fucking lost.
You'll be lucky to find any "slice of life" anime series with less than 6k different words. 2k, even if it was the most frequent 2k taken directly from the series, will still leave you trying to interpret everything via the on-screen images and will be nothing more than a stab in the dark.

Fuck off and die.

Why is he so upset?

>>17847793
怒ってるｗｗｗ

きょうふらんす史よんでたんだけど

みんなだいたい浮気してました

Today I thought that, since I'm sick and tired of constantly mixing up kanji that look similar at a glance but ultimately are completely different, I would write every single word that appears as I do the card. Pic related. I usually blow through this amount of cards in like 25 minutes if that. I think next time I'm just gonna lower it to writing only the words that I fuck up on.

>>17847811
a ha ha...

>>17847811
Daily review of forgotten cards not cutting it?

>>17847811
Instead of doing this kind of shit, just do RTK.

>>17847811
The way you described it sounds like a kanji problem and not a vocab problem and like it should be done on kanji cards. Writing words wastes too much on the parts that you're not having trouble with. If it's a single kanji you can also think about the strokes or composition mentally without writing, but if writing works better feel free.
>>17847823
What are you doing? Writing? You should probably mark any card as wrong after it's been 30 seconds if that's thinking time.

>>17847811
im not doing so hot either, though I use anki mostly for learning new kanji so I just leave it open while I write down info elsewhere. I really need to figure out how to optimize my studying time because right now reviewing about 100-120 words + learning about 15-20 new words + 10 DoJG entry cards a day takes me up to 8 hours due to procrastination. It takes me about 3 if I do it at once with 100% focus.

>>17847875
わからないことがわかることは

たのしいよね

Tomorrow I will start learning Japanese! This time it's true!

>>17847880
i dont understand how grammar works with koto yet ill reply eventually

>>17847881
いや、明後日だろう

>>17847875
>takes me up to 8 hours due to procrastination.
In my experience, you'll feel better and be able to use your free time more fully if you do everything you can to avoid that. I currently try to have everything I will add the next day prepared before I sleep, so that I can jump straight into new cards + review after I wake up and eat breakfast. If you can't trust yourself not to put it off until too late, you could try doing the preparation for the next day immediately after reviews. I intend to move towards that.
That's just general advice for procrastination, optimization is good too.

>>17847881

昨日に｢明日」と言ったからまあしなさい

>>17847881
中庭の中には庭師が中々やる中

>>17847823
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/803940993

Set it to 10 seconds or less.

>>17847882
いみが２つあるよ

にほんはそういうのすきだよ

https://twitter.com/dokuro_san/status/925998421265170432
Can someone put their skills to use and translate this please?

what's the difference between 議論, 討論,　討議, and 論議?

>>17847974
no

>>17847974
"◎ Is your circle wriggling in the dark Sunday Eastern District "system" was put on the block-27 b. I got. I think it says something DELE mass of undecided. Thank you in advance."
I've been self-learning for 6 years so I'm pretty confident in my translation.

>>17847977
This is where J-J definitions and example sentences come in handy.

>Spend years doing reading practice with manga VNs and LNs
>Realise being able to read Japanese doesn't have any connection to being able to listen to it
>Spend a year doing constant listening practice with anime
>Realise I still can't understand variety in the slightest
>Spend a year doing constant listening practice with idol variety shows
>Realise I still can't understand normal variety shows
>Spend a year just listening to fucking anything Japanese all the time
>Can still barely understand actual Japanese conversation

>>17847977
たぶんかなりちがうけど

すくないちがいでつかうひともいる

>>17848096
make moonrune friends and try to talk to them over voip

>>17848096
What do "years" and "a year" actually mean here? 6 hours every day for a year? 1 hour every week for a year? 5 seconds every month for a year? With English subtitles? Without English subtitles?

>>17848124
Presumably a few hours a week.

>>17848096
Give up, you're retarded.

>>17848185
ガッデム！

>>17848231
そりゃアウトやん

>>17845842
i would never. why cant i have a qt imouto to protect and cherish, my actual sister fucking sucks

>>17847647
I just clear my daily reviews and new cards and then move on to reading books or manga or something.

Why is it that within a given work written by a single author, the same words will be written on some occasions in kanji and on other occasions in kana?

What's with the inconsistency? Even when the words in question are all being said by the same character, the way they're written still changes seemingly just at random.

>>17846524
„If you manage to win at least one game (round), I'll hear you (?, Kaori) out.“

>>17847858
>What are you doing? Writing?
Yes. Also repeating the word a few times out loud.

>>17848278
Maybe to clear up possible ambiguity from writing several kana in a row or to make it easier to read?
Just as a nonsense example:
わからないならすぐにこっちにきてください can be improved by adding kanji in a few places to make it a little easier to read:
分からないなら直ぐにこっちに来てください
The only questionable change is writing すぐ as 直ぐ but it works. All these words are usually always written in kana but it becomes a little easier to read at a glance.

It could also just be to make a certain part of the sentence look flashier or something. I dunno.

僕達はとてもホモですね

>>17848385
こっちはレズですけど

>>17848399
レズもホモだよ

>>17848528
しまった...

>>17847974
「hit us up at 東地区“シ”ブロック－27b to get your do-jin hentai you lowlifes. we got some real sick (not the good kind of sick) shit this time. best regards」

>>17847881
wait until the shocking realization sets in that youve been learning japanese this whole time

あまざけつくった

あめりかであまざけは

ムーンシャインっていうとつうじるってほんとう？

Why are there so many words which can be written with multiple different kanji?

I'm almost certain that in the vast majority of these cases, the different kanji reflect absolutely no difference in meaning and that the less commonly used kanji is only considered an acceptable spelling because a large amount of illiterate people at some point in history were all spelling the word wrong in the same way.

It would be like in English if the next iteration of the Oxford Dictionary decided that "ocassion" and "occassion" were acceptable spellings of "occasion" just because a large amount of illiterate retards use those spellings by mistake.

Why can't Japanese dictionary makers just decide "alright retards, here's how it spelt, if you're using any other kanji you're doing it wrong".

Yes, I know there are some cases like 聞く and 聴く where the kanji do reflect different senses of the word, but I'm convinced that those are rare exceptions.

>>17848828
本当ってかいてあっても本當ってかいてあっても

それはほんとうだよ

>>17848828
Yeah I know what you mean, I kinda wish there were more rules and stuff like authors that use a special snowflake kanji for some words cause they think they are cool wouldn't exist.
An official list of dunno 3000 kanji that are allowed to use (and only these) would be nice as well.

>>17848898
Who's going to enforce your idiotic rule?

>>17848909
Shut up faggot, where I live there is a norm for about everything and it fucking works perfectly.

A rational thinking person (not you obviously) would agree that having a standard, especially for your fucking writing system makes fucking sense.

>>17848923
>A rational thinking person (not you obviously)
*tips fedora*

so I feel like I only understand like maybe 50% of what a sentence means when I read it. Should I sit down and make sure I get eveyr sentence like 100%, or just keep going?

>>17848828
違えよバカアノン。
あれはお前みたいに考えるアメリカ人が簡単にしろって言ったからしぶしぶ簡略化した漢字をでっち上げたんであって、お前がぶつくさ言ってる複雑な漢字の方が本来知識人の方が馴染んでる漢字だったのさ。
でそう言うインテリの爺さんは結構長い間社会の主要な地位にいたもんだから、必然的に違う字体が並立する漢字が増えちゃったんだね。
まあ、そう言うのを喜んで使う三文作家達も確かに悪いけど。
こう言うのはどの民族にもあるれきしだからね。仕方ないね。ゆっくりしていってね！

is there a version of the real-time import for rikaikun too?

>Should I sit down and make sure I get eveyr sentence like 100%
probably not, unless you really wanna burn out. better to ask and try to remember it than sit there and attempt to "solve" everything

>>17849183
だいたいそうせきのせい

>>17849229
Just use yomi

>めでたいったらめでたい
>めでたいったらありゃしない
Whats the big difference anyway?

>>17848828
>a large amount of illiterate people at some point in history were all spelling the word wrong in the same way.
Can't be wrong when there is no right yet. Keep in mind the whole country was speaking the language illiterately before they adopted kanji from China.
That being said, I've heard the theory that にほん developed from misreading にっぽん without already knowing the correct reading before (han)dakuten and sokuon were used. Stuck around because it sounds softer/more polite.
>Why can't Japanese dictionary makers just decide "alright retards, here's how it spelt, if you're using any other kanji you're doing it wrong".
English already has a divide between American and UK English spelling, and tons of other words with subjectively wrong allowable spellings or pronunciations. Another important factor is that language is not static, as much as language elitists like to cry about change. No language would be where it is today if it was a massive insult to break the "rules".

How hard are pokemon games to understand in japanese?

>>17849483
Not much. If you are considering playing ULTRAMOON/SUN in Japanese then go for it. It's perfect practice for beginners.

After living in Japan for 3 years I've finally signed up to go to language class.

Really hope they go easy on me and there isn't lots of Chinese and Koreans smashing the kanji while I sit at the back like a fucking brainlet.

>>17849558
You should hope they aren't easy on you so you actually learn the language within this century.

>>17849558
You lived in Japan for 3 years without knowing Japanese? What are you, a NEET?

>>17849571
Not him but my friend moved to Japan some years ago and he basically only stays in his apartment watching anime all day as he did when he lived in his home country. His Japanese is quite good. But for him the only thing that changed was the name of country where he lives, nothing else. People are odd.

>>17849619
To be honest, an average weeb would not find a lot of things to do outside the house, in Japan or elsewhere.

>>17849570
Yeah good point

>>17849571
Wife speaks English. Job is online and doesn't require Japanese. It's remarkably easy to get by without studying and as we all know. Time fucking flies by

>>17849558
Language classes are for brainlets. Whether you sit in the back or not makes no difference.

>>17849571>>17849632
Think how many Pakistanis there are in the UK and Hispanics living in the US who can't speak a word of English.

It has little to do with being a NEET, weeb or anything else. It's just pure laziness. People can't be bothered to learn the language so they just make friends with other foreigners and keep watching/listening to media from their home country si they don't have to.

>>17849641
It's a bad strategy. Without actively trying to integrate into the country you live in, you would fail to connect to natives (because cultures are different even across Europe, not to speak of the fucking Japan), feel alienated, start disliking natives, and spend your days with similarly sad people.

>>17849558
>there isn't lots of Chinese and Koreans smashing the kanji
Feel bad for you telling that such things would NEVER happen...
I hope they have separated class for non East Asians...
Or you will learn the feeling of being botch (ぼっち) in Japan.
便所飯はおいしいよ！

>>17849660
Do koreans ever learn the chinese characters at home? I heard they completely switched to hangeul now.

>>17849669
Yeah they’re likely totally illiterate on Kanjis for some cases, but at the same time they are likely to become so proficient so fast somehow.
But you could expect them to be good at English also, so they might help you.
Or you will relish the taste of 便所飯.
ゆっくりしていってね！

日本でのいじめ文化すっごく怖いわ
あそこで生まれたらちゃうへんすでに自殺したで

いつが日本人と日本語話せる人と話すべきですか？

>>17849760
まあでも一般的に外人はいじめられへんやで。アノンくんよかったなあ外人に生まれて。

>>17849774
せやけど目の前でいじめられへんけど背を曲がる瞬間にすぐ舐められるはずやろ
日本人でもみんなツラいやんけ？
ホッッッッンマ日本国外で生まれたよかったわ

>>17849797
>背を曲がる瞬間にすぐ舐められる
ごめんアノンくんここちょっとわからへんわ。
背が高くても低くても外人はいじめられへんで。
あと陰口なら他の国でもバンバン叩かれるやろ。お互いもっと強く生きようや。

>>17849769
いつでもええんやで。

いじめはほんま嫌やし恥ずかしいわね。なんや今の首相も子どもの頃はいじめられたったらしいわ。
でもなんか今はワイらがアベちゃんにいじめられてる感じあるけどな。
ホンマいじめはなんもええことを産まんなあ。

>>17849807
英語の表現「turn your back on (someone)」から直訳しちゃったから日本語で意味あらへんな
>陰口
ちょうどその意味や、ええ勉強になったで
>背が高くても低くても外人はいじめられへんで
そう簡単信じへんわ、失礼けど日本人は外人をいつも仲良くできへん主義やし
頑張ったなのに社会で拒否された人からの怖い話聞きすぎたからもう日本人で怖いわ

>>17849824
>でもなんか今はワイらがアベちゃんにいじめられてる感じあるけどな。
ジョージ・ルーカスを引用するとして「詩みたい」わ

>>17848828
It's about the original semantics of each kanji, that are imported from Chinese. You have to remember that kanji were assigned to native Japanese words, and originally the Japanese wrote in crippled literary Chinese (see also 漢文). So you have things like 超える (to exceed something intangible) and 越える (to exceed something physical), and 笑う (to smile) and 嗤う (to sneer). It is a base word こえる or わらう, and the kanji refines the meaning.

「早めに戻ってきてな！」

Is this more like "Don't take too long!" or "No rush!"?

>>17849890
Not even close.
More along the lines of "You sure came back early!"

>>17849899
Actually just end me now, I'm a retard who mistook the て for a た.
In which case it's more along the lines of "Come back in good time, okay!"

>>17849900
Okay thanks. I can never tell if the な is emphatic or negative.

>>17849904
In this case it would be relatively easy since the imperative negative form of 戻ってくる would be 戻ってくるな。
In addition, the imperative negative form isn't used that much (not never or only rarely, just not that much) and it's almost always emphatic in casual contexts.

>>17849847
>頑張ったなのに社会で拒否された人からの怖い話聞きすぎたからもう日本人で怖いわ
気軽に否定できへん話やね。申し訳ないわ。
でも日本で上手くやってる外国の人もようけおるでそこも見たってくれやで。

詩みたいか。
詩みたいに綺麗やと良いんやけどな。
いじめられっ子が社会をいじめ返す時は何百倍にもなって返ってくるで。しかも関係ない一般市民にやな。
この前九人ぐらい殺した奴も昔はいじめられただったかなんかだったらしいわ。
いじめはすぐに警察が介入するべきや思うけんやけどな真面目な話な。
いかんなんか4ちゃんでマジになりそうやで。

もう遅いし失礼するやで。また会おうやで。ほなな。

>>17849911
Good to know, thanks! I can usually tell based on context but in that case either could work based on the previous dialogue.

>>17849917
>思うけんやけどな真面目な話な
これ『思うんやけどな真面目な話な』のミスタイプやで。
アノンくんが間違って覚えたら気の毒やしね。ほなな。

>>17849917
確かにな、怖い話ばっかに聞いたから世界見方が曲がられたかもな
>詩みたいか。
いやいやホンマｗ またヒロくんに厳しすぎるで
つまりただの4chanネタや、「さすがこうになったね」みたいな冗談やで
>もう遅いし失礼するやで。また会おうやで。ほなな。
おやすみさん、いつもここで待っとくで
いつもヒロくんと会話するはおもろいやからな

>>17849921
I could be wrong but as far as I know きてな couldn't be interpreted as anything but as a light request (IIRC -てね/な is an abbreviation of and a less stiff version of -てくださいね/な) and this rings true for basically anything where the sentence ends with てね/な。
If you want to use the imperative negative form you gotta say くるな, although there are the slangy versions of こねー (almost always こねー[よ/ぞ/ぜ] to make it obvious it's just a slurred version of こない) and きてじゃねー[よ/ぞ/ぜ] - although in my experience the latter is more commonly used said when a character is angry and quoting someone else and basically telling them to fuck off (e.g. A「素敵な天気ですね」B「素敵な天気ですじゃねーぞコラッ雨降ってるぞ」if you want a quick and silly example.)

Are there rules to omitting particles? Is it purely used in casual speech, only for certain particles, only sometimes, etc?

>>17849619
Living the dream.

>>17849911
Imperative negative? Wtf I've never even heard of the term before

>>17850073
if it can be understood from context i think most anything goes, just like english, in informal of course. if its like essay or professional writing someone experienced will have to answer

>>17850084
It's not a term.

>>17850084
>>17850087
Yeah, sorry. I was just blindly looking at what yomichan told me and couldn't be bothered to look up the actual term, which is just plain "imperative."
I blame the fact that I'm tired and need to sleep.

>>17850101
Ah no problem. Ye me too it's 6am already

I was discussing Japanese study with a friend, and he said it was crucial to add pictures to my anki cards so I associate Japanese words with concepts and meanings rather than English words.

How accurate is this?

>>17850195
You can do whatever, but it's not that important I think. I only do it for food or animals that are otherwise unfamiliar to me.

>>17850195
its either that or you mentally do it/read a lot so context makes sense.

certain words make a lot more sense when pictured because when you think in english you have to figure out all the different nuances between which word "fits".

mostly though, this >>17850206

I generally use it for certain concepts mentally personally

>>17850209
After he talked about it with me I've made a conscious effort to visualize contexts and examples during my reps. It has made some difference, but it can be pretty awkward for conceptual words.

>>17850195
It's crucial that you don't waste time that could be spent learning Japanese tinkering with flashcards.

Can anyone make out this word? Closest I could find was 眼科 but I don't think that's right.

>>17850195
I have never heard anyone who is actually good at Japanese recommend doing this.

Is your friend fluent? If not, you have no reason to listen to anything he says about learning Japanese.

>>17850228
This.

>>17850233
>Is your friend fluent?
No. When we talked he was less far along in vocabulary and grammar than me, although he was learning how to write kanji which I'm not bothering with.

Honestly, I didn't trust him enough to try adding pictures to the deck. I was just checking if there was any consensus about it.

>>17850206
>>17850228
This is reassuring by the way. Thanks y'all.

>>17849558
>language class
You like getting scammed? Probably 5% of language classes in Japan are worth shit, the rest are pay monthly for some listening/speaking exposure with a teacher and don't think of overworking yourself and actually learning more than 5 kanji a week or you'll stop paying us when you realize we're no longer helpful. Regardless, good luck, but know that if you want to get anywhere you're still going to have to do the same self-study as everyone else.
>>17849656
In addition, you can easily get more constructive immersion in your home country than in Japan, the only real benefit is more native dialect variety (speaking extremely simple day-to-day language unless you're already competent enough to engage without being spoken to you like you're a child).
>>17849698
>but at the same time they are likely to become so proficient so fast somehow.
I'd credit work ethic, even when doing inefficient rote learning.
>>17850195
It's not crucial, but building associations between different regions of the brain is generally considered good and that is one strategy. Perhaps someone who actually does it can offer more input, I swear by making my own cards and I can't be assed to find appropriate pictures for all of them. If I only do a few, I presume that my brain is going to pay more attention to "oh this is one of the cards with pictures so it must be this" than what the picture actually contains.
Some people also think it's better when possible for your first words, than putting an English word on the front. I also don't do this so I can't say.

>>17850257
>although he was learning how to write kanji which I'm not bothering with.
Depending on the extent, I would suggest you reconsider. You don't need to write on paper (and I would suggest against this aside from your first time encountering it perhaps), but if you can mentally picture the components or optionally the strokes, you'll be a lot better off when you start getting to complicated look-alikes. I may be assuming, however, so apologies if you're far along and doing fine with radicals.

>>17850264
It's a class ran by the local prefecture, just a few hours during the week for a couple of months .

>>17850276
That will get you absolutely nowhere. You could make more progress on your own in a week.

Would you recommend playing Tenshin Ranman/ 天神乱漫 or satsukoi/サツコイ first?

>>17850289
Whatever you're more interested in.

>>17850275
Complicated look alikes can be a nuisance, but comparing them side by side has generally worked pretty well for learning how to distinguish them.

Does kanji writing study help that much with retention or recognition?

>>17850292
Well, I'm not quite sure and that's why I am asking :D

>>17850295
it makes an incredible difference for me.

>>17850286
No, it will get me out the house and into an environment that will hopefully kick start my studying again

>>17850317
Stop thinking in terms of "studying".

Just read Tae Kim's guide (if you haven't already) and then start reading whatever you're interested in. You're lucky enough to have a Japanese wife who speaks English who you can ask to clarify things for you when you get stuck. There's absolutely no reason to be wasting your time with classes.

>>17850295
It seems to be generally agreed upon that at least ensuring you COULD write the kanji forces you to pay more attention to their composition which helps solidify the details and differences in your mind. I just do keyword->kanji on my kanji cards and mentally produce it, and if I remember it very well I just picture the whole kanji instead of the composition or strokes, and I consider that to be working much better than my first attempt personally.

>>17850333
>There's absolutely no reason to be wasting your time with classes.

There is mate, it's called getting out the house for a bit and studying. I work from home and the wife's at her job all day

I'll look into Tae Kim for when I'm in home.

>>17850343
>it's called getting out the house for a bit
恐ろしいことを言うな

>>17850343
>I'll look into Tae Kim for when I'm in home.
In other words, you haven't even taken the initiative to read the guide and try learning on your own.

When you said "kick start my studying again", what studying exactly were you referring to? What "studying" have you been doing up until now?

>>17850356
Lol
>>17850359
Couple chapters of genki and JP for busy people years ago.

You know you sound like a condescending prick right? Has anyone ever told you that? What sort of day job do you have?

>>17850359
Watching anime of course.

おはようおにいちゃん
>>17850229
>しゃどばす眼科

にほんの個人病院は

>屋号＋専門＋科 or 医院

ってつくことになってるよ

しゃどばす（shadow birth）眼科（ophthalmology）

じゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>17850359
He, like every other extrovert that mistakenly is allowed online, wants to be trendy. Leave them be.
Like every other magpie before them, the next shiny thing will catch their eye and they'll toddle off.

>>17850264
>>but at the same time they are likely to become so proficient so fast somehow.
>I'd credit work ethic, even when doing inefficient rote learnin
I am sorry, I exaggerated the things as general rule of 4 Chan. Koreans may know kanjis, maybe less than 100, as they know at least how to write their own names in it. And probably they have bunch of countrymen friends who are already proficient at Japanese and give them attentive advices in their language.

And if you are so determined, it could be possible to build your Japanese without stepping out your house at all. Most Japanese aren’t likely to be familiarized to the grammar of our own language but in a couple of months your wife would reach the degree where she could give you some decent grammatical analysis for your study.

BUT why you are so RELUCTANT to go outside and have unknown occasion? To be honest I have never had any experience to attend those Japanese classes and maybe other anons neither.
You can confirm the state by your own eyes and quit it if you feel it’s inappropriate for you. It sounds like you have sufficient time and money to try it for a while.
Besides, one of my friends once asked me if I would assist the business he was managing, namely Japanese school. I refused it because I was not convinced that I could present effective lectures for students and have sufficient time to spare. But I have felt like it could be somehow interesting since I met these threads and knew how you learning anons were sincere in learning our language.

I'm having trouble saying "I want to look for a famous place that was in an anime."

Here's what I got:
アニメの中で有名なところが探したい。

Is this right? I'm unsure if this is the proper way to use 'no naka de'.

>>17850526
>アニメ作中の有名な場所を探したい

これでどうかな？

>>17850526
Almost perfect.
Even if they don’t get you the obstacle would get solved with another couple of phrases you would tell them.

>>17850526
It doesn't seem right to me. Please correct me if I'm wrong but ～の中（なか） is for physical things, while ～中（ちゅう） is for other things.
Also, the word for "in a show" is 劇中（げきちゅう）.
But personally I would not even use 中 to translate "place that was in an anime."
>アニメの舞台となった場所
(place that has become the setting of an anime) should be more idiomatic Japanese.

>>17850526
>ところが
heh heh

I don't wanna fucking do anki

>アニメの背景に使われていた場所を探しています。

これならまたなんともいいかんじだね

>>17844695
Try any owarai show. Lots of Kansai dialect.