Fate/stay night

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Honest thoughts on Fate/stay night?

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>>17727438
I got 10 hours in and dropped it. I find it boring.

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>>17727438
Don't make /v/ style template threads.

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It's badly written trash, play muvluv instead.

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>>17727438
Almost exact experience as this >>17727482
I used to despise Fate because of it but have cooled on it a bit because it seems like (if you ignore the gacha part) the series is in a better place now with the focus actually being on mythical figures of legend fighting in cool ways as summons as opposed to overly convoluted and at the same time agonizingly boring and trite story elements about some horribly written kids juggling getting close to their high school crush while ignoring the fact that they have Hercules high on PCP chasing them around

It works better as "Folklore Digimon" than it does as some half-brained slice-of-life eroge where within a single novel spanned a whole Toriyama arc of bullshittery one-upsmanship on the established laws of the universe and stakes raising

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>>17727711
>the series is in a better place now
Said no one, ever.

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>>17727714
Its better then "No seber u cannot do this thing fighting is bad if u ar gurl and not king arthur now eat rice and we will fuck" for 60 hours, replacing with Rin or Fishgirl depending on what level of edgy you want your story to overexplain

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>>17727746
All those stories are in the same game. Today Fate is a shitty mobile game with lack luster adaptations.

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>>17727482
Fate route is terrible, so not surprising. I put it on hold for a while after I read it. Really enjoyed UBW, and HF to a lesser extent though.

Mahoyo was good too.

>>17727641
It's more popular than it really "deserves" to be, but it's not trash. Speaking of muvluv, I should get around to reading that sometime, keep hearing that alternative is great.

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I just finished UBW last night, actually. The Fate route was okay, but it dragged hard and Shirou was really obnoxious in it with refusing to admit that he couldn't compete with servants and not wanting Saber to fight just because she's a girl. UBW was pretty awesome, but Red Man being an asshole for the entire route was hard to get past because his reason for it isn't addressed til nearly the very end. But Shirou's final battle with Gilgamesh was great. Looking forward to reading Heaven's Feel.

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>>17727746
Yeah because the cashgrab known as F/GO(it's an okay game, but lets not kid ourselves that it's anything else besides a machine for easy money making) and Apo are totally what the franchise deserve. Truly remarkable stories!

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FSN was good. Dumb, but good.
Fate Zero anime was great. Edgy, but great.
Some of the other animes were sorta okay I guess.

Everything else is cancer.

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>>17727641
Quick muvluv tangent, I heard that franchise was good, then watched a couple episodes of Total Eclipse and was blown away by how unbelievably bad it was. It that a bad egg or was all the hype a lie?

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>>17727746
Girls shouldn't go around swinging invisible swords at people, especially if they're wounded!

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FSN was actually deep and made me think about life. The process of going from rigid ideals to loving people as they are is good and interesting. I guess it being a weird porn game keeps the message from getting through. Still, one of the best.

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>>17727882
I understand the feel Girls Bravo really touches me emotionally like no other anime. Still not going to finish FSN though.

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>>17727438
It's stupid and chuuni as fuck, but I enjoy it greatly. Really, people who takes things too seriously are the worst kinds of party poopers. Sometimes, it's best to just enjoy the character interactions, the stupid powerlevel discussions and the fanart/doujin of whatever best girl you decide.

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>>17727996
>I understand the feel Girls Bravo really touches me emotionally like no other anime.

I feel like I just got owned.

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I couldn't get into it. I mean, I liked the concept, but the VN reads rather awkwardly, and it feels like every scene tends to drag on forever. I dropped it at the rider building fight and couldn't be bothered anymore.

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>>17727438
There's certainly good in it but way too much bad to have to sift through to get to the good
As someone else mentioned that I can't be bothered to quote Fate really had no right getting as popular as it did considering the quality of the initial release, though some of the adaptations that came from it were great

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Greatest love story ever told.

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>>17727438
It's great. Very ambitious, well executed, one of the best VNs ever.

Shame Fate and Type-Moon have been brought down to garbage level for easy money.

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Zero was the best entry in the whole franchise.

SN was pretty good, but those shitty H-scenes and purple prose ruined it.

HA is shitty fanservice with a twist, it's fine

The rest (spinoffs) is garbage as far as I can tell. Some say the third series of Prisma Illya is good, but I doubt it.

And there's Fate GO, but that's kinda just a mobile game, I don't really mind too much (is actually well made, besides still being subpar)

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Everyone talks about FSN's ero content but there's like two scenes in Fate route and IIRC only one in UBW.

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>>17727438
Unpopular opinion: Fate route is the best route

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>>17727438
I like Fate's premise but honestly FSN is pretentious as fuck and Nasu is a hack who needs a good editor to put a leash on him. UBW is the best route because it's the least pretentious. Fate/Zero is better than the entirety of FSN because it actually balances the heavy themes, character development, and worldbuilding without coming off as a convoluted mess. Probably because Nasu's clusterfuckery was being filtered through Urobuchi, who actually knows what he's doing when it comes to dark fantasy and psychological writing.

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>>17730405
This this this this this

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>>17728991
The dynamic between Shirou and Kotomine is unironically one of the best parts of the writing in FSN. It's overlooked in comparison to Shirou and EMIYA, but Kotomine forms a sort of triangle with them in how their ideals all overlap.

The rest of the story and character development outside of Shirou, EMIYA, Kotomine, and Gil just seems like trash in comparison to those four characters. It's funny, too, because the three routes boil down to [Shirou confronting Kotomine and his ideals], [Shirou confronting EMIYA and his ideals], and [Shirou confronting himself and defining his own ideals], yet each one is cluttered with so much unnecessary bullshit and the important development for Shirou is concentrated at the ends.

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>>17727438
It took me 5 tries before I started to really get into it and even now I still can't say it's in my top 30 VNs. Great story tho and it kinda set a precedent that many VNs afterwards took inspiration from.

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If Ciels and Arcruids routes weren't so shitty everyone would be talking talking about tsukihime instead. No one would even care about fate.

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>>17730405
I tend to agree with everything this guy said.

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>>17730101
>but that's kinda just a mobile game, I don't really mind too much (is actually well made, besides still being subpar)
Except it ISN'T. I'd be completely fine with it if that was all it was, but it's actually straight up the next main entry in the series, and the only big project Type-Moon is focusing on because of how much money it makes. The entire rest of the Nasuverse is getting shitted on because of its existence.

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>>17727854
>episodes
There's your problem

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>>17730398
Why?

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>>17727854

Never judge a visual novel by the anime.

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>>17727438
i really like the original works,the original fate visual novel and ataraxia too,but i think the whole fate universe ahs grow too much, right now i`m watching fate/apocrupha and is really bad,is terrible,the fate franchise needs to end,maybe like that type/moon can move on diferent things

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>>17730405
man i hated fate/zero so much,i can`t really express why but it was like it was trying too hard,i prefer the original fate,it was silly but good

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>>17727482
Good conception
Bad execution
Nasu needs an editor

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Everything it tried to do was done better by Dies Irae.

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Does Grand Order deserve the hate?

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>>17735552
It deserves way more hate. Too many oldfags defend it solely thanks to Nasu's writing in the later orders and CCC event. "Oh, but they have show Atlas and Tri-Hermes in Camelot!", "Oh, but Goetia's plan has the same name as Aoko's last arc in MB!", "Oh, but God's existence was foreshadowed in Mahoyo!". Fuck off, universe building does not equal actually giving your franchises proper attention and using them to their full potential. It's a lazy hack way to keep old fans happy, when the only main draw remains Servant shit.

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>>17735552
It deserves way more hate. Too many oldfags defend it solely thanks to Nasu's writing in the later orders and CCC event. "Oh, but they show Atlas and Tri-Hermes in Camelot!", "Oh, but Goetia's plan has the same name as Aoko's last arc in MB!", "Oh, but God's existence was foreshadowed in Mahoyo!".
Fuck off, universe building does not equal actually giving your franchises proper attention and using them to their full potential. It's a lazy hack way to keep old fans happy, when the only main draw to modern TM remains Servant shit.

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>>17735794
But last arcs are genuinely good, the first are the boring ones.

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I went into it having browsed thread on here for a while, so I was expecting it to be pretty bad.
I ended up loving it to bits. Yeah it has problems, especially in the Fate route
The conclusion though is amazing, I've read a fair bit of classic fantasy but nothing has ever got me hyped up as much as the final confrontation with Kotomine

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>>17730405
I never got how people say Stay Night or Nasu is pretentious. In what way?

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>>17727438
It's nice idea with horrendous plot structure, narrative, characters, power system and to top it off extremely bad writing. Yet I went through it all. It's shit, but Nasu's crap writing somehow fascinates me.

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>>17727438
I prefer theme of Extra over Stay Night

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>>17730405
>Urobuchi, who actually knows what he's doing
The first two episodes contain nothing but exposition, you can fill out the Urobutcher bingo in that time.

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>>17735939
No one questioned that. I peronally don't think they're that good, since they still rely on the garbage protagonist and almost entirely Servants to tell the story. And some really shitty fanservice characters.
But that wasn't the point being made. Their existence doesn't excuse the first ones (which ARE stil lthe introduction to FGO's story and characters), or completely neglecting the rest of the Nasuverse (reducing it to shitty background references in a mobile game), and the massive waste of potential stemming from that.

People are too willing to wear rose-colored glasses because of a couple good chapters, even though most of the last year was also garbage in terms of story, and the very fact that the main source of Type-Moon story/lore has become a shitty mobage about gambling for Servants is pitiful in and of itself. It's still shocking to me that people are fine with playing along with FGO, and that there aren't more fans disgusted with how much priority they give a lame cashgrab, and how they waste some genuinely cool stories and characters in a garbage medium.

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>>17737433
If we're talking about Grand Order and the rest of the Nasuverse then let me go ahead and post the most powerful character in Type-Moon.

>>17737433
>It's still shocking to me that people are fine with playing along with FGO, and that there aren't more fans disgusted with how much priority they give a lame cashgrab
What's more shocking is that the "We're still working on it." they gave for the TM (aka Type-Moon but was literally filled with nothing but Fateshit) Ace 12 about Tsukihime's...anything sparked no outrage. Literally what the fuck worthy.

They first released the news of a remake in 2012 and it's 2017 (damn near 2018) now and we only recently got a single CG and now a half-assed hand wave for its progress.

The only, actual way we know Tsukihime Remake is being released soon is because Nasu said he very much wants a collab with Grand Order. Because of course. Everything needs to be Grand Order.

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>>17737786
>got fucked up by an ordinary girl
say hello to the REAL most powerful character

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>>17737888
Self-inserts aren't characters.

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>>17737888
The real most powerful version of Kiara (as a Beast) was beaten by a different, even shittier self-insert in a mobile game event.

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>>17738553
ahahahahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>17737945
>>17738553
Say what you want but the self-inserts are more entertaining and interesting than the rest of the Fate protags.

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>>17738902
fuck off mate
more interesting than Sieg, yeah
but Shirou literally is the novel, Fate wouldn't be Fate without him

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>>17738902
To this day and to the end of time, and spam me with retardWojacks all you want, but I still have no fucking clue what Shirou's whole MO was
I've had it explained to me a thousand times in a thousand ways and I still don't get it, mostly because I think it's just so retarded

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>>17738902
I refuse to believe GOfags actually believe this, unless you're talking about Sieg exclusively.
The fact that you say "Fate protags" rather than TM protags in general is already a bait flag.

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>>17738942
He had survivor's guilt and was constantly looking for ways to sacrifice himself for the sake of others

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>>17738942
He wants to be a super hero but doing that requires him to hurt people and also he feels guilty about it because he thinks if he has any thoughts at all about being staisfied or feeling good about helping people it means he's a hypocrite and a bad person
Yes, it's retarded, but it's kinda charming in a 'some idiot actually thought this was genuinely insightful' kinda way so it gets a pass from many people

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>>17738973
He realized during the fight with Archer that he was actually sacrificing himself for the sake of others because he saw Kiritsugu happy when he saved Shirou and he wanted to be that happy too

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>>17738975
"retarded but charming" is a pretty good way to describe Nasu in general

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>>17738936
You're right about Shirou but my point of Hakuno and Guda being more interesting/entertaining than him still stands. Though Hakuno's character really shines with the other Masters and not their servants.

>>17738972
The only non-Fate thing I've touched is Tsukihime and you'd be literally lying to me if you said Shiki has any character to him. Much less him being interesting.

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>>17727438
Dunno, never played it.

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>>17738942
>>17738975
Honestly I've always found the "Kill the few to save the many" way more retarded and unnecessary part of the whole Hero of Justice Shirou and Kiritsugu had to deal with.

Especially in Zero where it comes off as so damn heavy-handed and pretentious.

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>>17739269
yeah I much prefer Nasu to Urubuchi. Nasu's characters feel like they have lives outside of the story

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>>17739280
They also feel genuine. Everyone one of Urobuchi's works that feature love or deep emotion in it and I'm never not once actually convinced of the character's feelings. It's almost clinical.

The only emotional thing Urobuchi is good at writing is suffering.

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>>17727843
>Yeah because the cashgrab known as F/GO(it's an okay game, but lets not kid ourselves that it's anything else besides a machine for easy money making) and Apo are totally what the franchise deserve.

It gave us Kiyohime so it's already doing better than the source material.

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Grand Order is a mistake.

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Other series that deal with portrayals of actual historical/mythical figures from differing cultures and backgrounds?

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>>17740101
Eiyuu Senki

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>>17739251
>thinks self-inserts are more interesting than Shirou thanks to Persona-tier quips that don't even result in consistent caratherization
>thinks Shiki actually has no character
Did you even read the Eclipse, speedreader-kun?

It's sad that you haven't even touched Kara no Kyoukai, so you can't draw more comparisons between modern TM and when Nasu actually bothered to write protagonists like Ryougi Shiki. Then again, as a GOfag, it's obvious that's not the sort of thing you're primarily seeking from Type-Moon.

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>>17727438
i have only seen it, but the anime was pretty bad
fate/zero was much better imo, fate/apo was somewhat in the middle

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>>17740085
Please save Type-Moon, fastwheels. Have them release good products and stop ruining their cool universe. I beg you.

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I have not finished every route so I cannot comment accurately. The last time I played I was at the part where Shirou and Rin have sex for the first time. I dislike the H scenes, they feel forced. I think the game is enjoyable, but I like it for the setting and the events that would appeal to teenagers - awkward romance, drawn out fight scenes. I also love the use of historical mythological figures as I've been interested in that sort of thing since I was very young. There's no doubt that the writing is not amazing and the content isn't sophisticated or especially deep, but it's nice to read all the same.

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>>17740340
But the main universe is already killing itself. Everyone will be SaberFace. It is THE FUTURE

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>>17740309
You've seen a highly abridged version of 1/3rd of the novel

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>>17740246
>it-it gets good after the fifteenth hour!!

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>>17740246
lmao why are you bringing up Ryougi? Bitch had about as much character as a piece of fucking cardboard.

Her and her hubby honestly brought down KNK with their blandness.

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>>17740085
>>17740340
What's wrong with Grand Order?

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>>17736670
Why?

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>>17741926
The fact that this is a genuine question just makes me sad.

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>>17741764
It's good from the start mate. Tsukihime actually has a more engaging and fast paced start than Fate/stay night, one of its few strengths compared to FSN. The eclipse basically just spells out Shiki's character growth, since it's a direct parallel to his first meeting with Aoko, looking back on all those years.

>>17741797
Ryougi and Mikiya literally ARE KnK, baiter-kun. It starts and ends as their story.

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>>17742533
Okay but that means absolutely nothing when their characters are bland and boring as fuck.

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>>17727438
Great idea. Awful execution.

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What series are inspired or influenced by Type-Moon works?

Like the Red Moon Rose books in The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel, they are blatant Tsukihime references.

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>>17741926
It exists.

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>>17747741
Isn't Shinobu in Monogatari heavily inspired by Arc?
Busty blonde vampire lady has a fateful, deadly encounter with with the protagonist (though Araragi and Shiki's roles are kind of opposite).

A ton of chuuni/supernatural stuff has TM influences, simply due to how massively popular F/SN and Tsukihime were.

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>>17727746
Did you forget the whole scene with Saber on the bridge that all of that was a build up for? Or are you just acting like you've played it when you haven't?

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I've heard that Illya scenes are cut out in the first movie, is that true?

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>>17747741
I don't know how I didn't notice that the first time I played Cold Steel.

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>>17727746
>>17727755
>>17727843
The Tohno family drama and all of the lore surrounding demons, half demons, and psychics is more interesting than Servants. Servants have always been the least interesting part about the Nasuverse, with its mage and vampire lore being the best developed.

Fate is interesting because of the mages and the HGW, the magic families and how outsiders interact with it all. This is why HF is so good, it's the story where Servants fit their role as tools the most. But the Servants themselves are also really interesting when done right, it's just that they were run to the ground with generic ones, making stories for the Heroes instead of Heroes for the stories.

F/GO took the world in a very weird direction, I really dislike it and wish it went back to the magic. F/A is really bad too.

They have more Servants than they know what to do with, and the stories they appear in are more often than not subpar. People play them for the characters and memes. Even in the "good" parts of FGO, some characters feel like they were hamfisted because they hadn't appeared in previous orders or because they're new. But of course, they won't stop the milking machine, and they'll just keep pumping out those shitty characters instead of letting Nasu write a full proper story from beggining to end.