Elona

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>Previous Thread
>>17690505

Current Version: Elona+ 1.71 (9/10/2017)
Latest Custom: E+C 1.71.1

Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to WINDOWS 7.

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>not lining her up so she's weaing the hat

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>>17707614
Shit, I didn't know

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I FINALLY GOT MY FIRST EVO HEART
MY FIRE DRAGON IS NO LONGER A CHILD
AND MY SQUAD LOOKS LIT AF

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>>17707656
>my first evo heart
oh, children

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>>17707666
Cut me some slack, my only prior experience of seeing one of the damn things was at the Noyel festial for about 2/3rds of my riches. This was a fukken miracle for me

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>>17707656
>my fire dragon is no longer a child
Let's see some ID mister

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>>17707656
>MY FIRE DRAGON IS NO LONGER A CHILD
now fuck it

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After 150+ hours without single issue my game started to crash at random. It's not a huge problem, as i save often, and making backups, but it still worry me. Is it some problem with my save, or what?

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anybody else always try to carry molotovs and/or sulfuric acid to throw early on? i think "lucky" makes monsters spawn with better weapons so humanoids can pretty easily 1 shot me

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>>17707749
Have you done anything to the game folder lately such as updating version or modding the sheets? When did your last few crashes happen, what were you doing?

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>>17707762
i try and forget to keep dye/poison on me for bells.

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Is it true if I invest TOO much over 100 goods/general vendors that they will stop stocking common items all, like fireproof blankets, together?

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>>17707666

looks exactly like my depot. Any ides what to use those for? Crafting seems worthless now.

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>>17707903
My level 200+ one sells tons of common crap like scrolls, wands, deeds, books and food. Pretty sure it sold blankets but maybe not. If not, that's like all its missing

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>>17707923
You don't want to upgrade all of you and your pets' armor to the best type? Or change e.g. a godly magnum to an energy cell, a living pistol to a laser gun, a long sword to a lightsaber (will properly get pierce), or engagement jewelry to regular jewelry so you can freely give it to pets?

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>>17707903
You can craft blankets and some other low tier items now.

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>>17707979
> a long sword to a lightsaber (will properly get pierce)
Yes, it will get 100% pierce component, but it will lose long sword's damage dice (it will use lightsaber's damage dice instead).

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Man, my rubynus plate gauntlets have just a 5 damage bonus...
Guess i remembered wrong, rubynus being half as good as adamantium/ether sucks.
Still, when you play loss, rubynus is a must-have. It'll means instead of a 230 damage bonus, i'll only have a 115. Not the end of the world, i can always switch to adamantium later once i farmer some cheeses. Ether is a little better damagewise, but hugely inferior PVwise.

Now, to make a gene and actually do it !
I monsterballed 4 shine ogre, hope i have enough disturb growth equipment.

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>>17708198
I thought disturb growth didn't work well enough now and mutants relied on potions of descent?

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>>17708210
As long as you are alone to not trigger stealth, you can wait as long as needed to drain exp.
I do have 9 uncursed descent and 11 curse water if needed.

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>>17707903
>>17707958
Can we propose that they add in a change that increases total amount of items available in vendors by +1 for every 100 levels of invest every time they restock?

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Will this game let me live out twisted harem fantasies

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>>17708938
Yes.

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>>17708938
no

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>>17707903
The reduction to common items (or rather rares showing up more frequently) is so slight I wouldn't worry about it until you get to like 1000.
Maybe not even then.

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>>17708981
>>17708985
Explain

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>>17708938
Maybe.

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>>17708996
Well, how twisted your fantasy are? The basic "enslave all lolis and monster girls you want, either rape and cuddle them as much as you want" harem pack is available, but many specific things will require customization (how they react to your actions and other everyday things like murder and headpats).

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>>17708996
gender in elona seems to legit be just a formality, with everything being able to fuck or be fucked by anything, and everything producing eggs. for this reason you cant have a harem, because it has no girls
on top of this its not a very lewd game despite the above, with pretty much the only pervy stuff you can do being bumping pixels vaguely next to each other, seeing a picture that says ey u banged m8 and collecting their ectoplasm or if you are a true degenerate getting married

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>>17708938
>>17708996
Very yes.
You can add anyone or anything in the game (or a clone, in the case of vital NPCs) to your party. Anyone in your party can be married. Sleeping around exists.
If the game's characters are not enough, you can customize people in your party to be anything you like. Artistic talent not included.

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Are there any permanent effects if I steal a holy well for my own personal use?

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>>17708210
It works, but... Not very good.
I managed to pass act 1 with just ## of disturb, and zero potions of descent(and lot of coffee), so it's certainly possible.
But it was annoying journey - i had to avoid towns to not train stealth, avoid items in dangeons to not train sense quality, and yet spent some time just passing turns and waiting till my exp goes away(Fortunately, i got huge stack of rice balls from my parents, so i could wait as long as i need, without risk of starving).

>>17708198
You're aware about new prices of Gavela service, right?

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>>17709506
Why do people try to min-max so much with losing EXP anyway? Stuff doesn't scale to your level anymore, so...

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>>17709616
That's only for mutie. You need to reach act 2 with level 1 or 2 to get 27 limbs. Otherwise you'll end with fewer amount.
After that you can gain exp as usual.

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>>17709629
Huh really? That seems odd. I know Muties gain random body bits at certain levels, but I've never looked into them for that exact reason...

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>>17709639
Gavela will add body parts to a cap. Muties add a set number of body parts. Maxing body parts from Gavela before any mutey parts leads to a higher number in the end, 27 total parts.

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>>17709639
Muties gets fixed amount of parts at fixed levels. And there is NPC named Gavela who can give parts to anyone, up to 15 total.
So he won't do anything for mutie with full body, if you come to him with high level and many parts.
But If reach him before you get any parts from your racial trait you can get 11 parts from him, then start to get parts from your trait, and you'll have 27 at the end.

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>get luck from blessed food
>decide to splurge all of my 100/500-yen coins and casino chips since i haven't seen had a Lucky Day in IRL days
>go to sleep
>immediately receive a Lucky Day event

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>>17707656
Yo what sprite pack is that (if it's that monster girl one in the pastebin do u kno if it works w/ 1.68?)

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>>17710226
Same happened to me. Except replace 100/500-yen coins with roughly 50 stardust.
;-;

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>>17709506
Yeah, that's why i downloaded 1.66.
It also doesn't save when adding a limb, so savescuming will be a breeze despite loss mode !

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>>17710492
>savescuming

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>>17710492
So mutants as a race can't be good unless you play an old version of Elona? Well there goes that idea then. Guess I'll stick with my Yerles.

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>>17710492
I don't think you understand how loss mode's penalty works.

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>>17710747
In new versions it's much harder to get 27 good parts, due to rework of Gavela. It still possible, but will take a lot more hours of grind.

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>>17710795
And you need to play on old version. Just reach Gavela, and get his parts. After that you're free to upgrade to any new version.

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>>17710772
saving using esc place a marker on the save making it save to reload. As long as there is no save between roloading and whatever you want to do, there's no penalty when alt+f4 and reloading.
You think that because you triggered a hidden save, not shown to the player. A lot of those in recent versions, less in old ones, and 1.66 gavela don't have one.

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>>17710912
>As long as there is no save between roloading and whatever you want to do, there's no penalty when alt+f4 and reloading.
Not quite.
When you load a save, it checks for the "saved" flag. If it finds one, it removes it AND saves that. If it doesn't find one, you get the penalty.
The only way to restore the flag is to save and quit.

If you don't believe me, go ahead and try it. Open a loss save, then without it triggering a save, alt-f4 it. When you open it up, you'll get the penalty.

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I am, as always, indecisive. What's a good choice here for a living shotgun? Skill bonuses I can eventually make up for by just grinding said skills so I figure that's out, so either piercing attack or cold damage, I guess? Enchantment bonus would also be nice, kinda curious how high I can get with it.

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>>17710938
Oh yeah, it does in 1.71, didn't savescum for a long time.
Good thing it doesn't do it in 1.66.

Now that i think about it, i should also level up to 36 for the limbs in 1.66...
Thanks, i'd have upgraded directly to 1.71 without you !

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>>17710965
I'm not using 1.71.
Anyway, I don't see the point of cheating in loss mode. It defeats the purpose.

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>>17710960
Same problem with my rifle. But I think I settle with this example. Chaos damage is awesome.

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>>17710960
The best choice is always element damage (or resists if the weapon is just used for stats, not actual combat use). The recommended elements are magic (most enemies have little to no magic damage), lightning and cold (damage can be increased by both element scar and wet debuffs). Nether is ok too if you want lifesteal. It's also recommended to focus on one element, so you will get the best effect possible from it.
Unfortunately it may be a bit hard to focus on a single element, the level up menu changes based the item's enchantment level and current ingame month. So, you basically have to grind as many levels as possible in a single month, then wait for the element to appear again on another month (you also can use enchantments from blacksmith to change the list).
Enchantment usually is capped at 10, but stardust items can increase it to +15, and living weapon's level up will reach +20. Not worth a level up in my opinion.
It's recommended to not level your weapon above level 10. At level 11 you will get a negative effect (weapon will suck your blood and cause bleeding ant random moments).

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>MP limits and Spell Stock make it virtually impossible for any PC to rely purely on spells.
Wiki says you can't play a pure caster. Is this true? Little disappointing.

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>>17711088
No longer the case in Elona+. You can most certainly go pure spellcaster.
However, until you get access to the Mage's Guild, getting spell stocks may prove challenging.

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>>17711098
Oh awesome, looking forward to the challenge.

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>>17711086
>(most enemies have little to no magic resist)
Fix'd

>>17711088
Spell stock and overcasting damage are a lot more forgiving in Elona+, and you can easily craft rods of mana (recovers MP) with carpenter's tools.
You can go full caster, it's just that there is very little penalties for having a main combat style combined with a bit of another one (like a melee build that uses basic buffs and utility spells instead of potions/scrolls with similar effects). The main "penalty" is basically having more skills to grind.

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>>17710492
Mutant players, everybody

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This is what I get for trusting monogame extended objects to do what the sound like they do. You'd assume, because there is no documentation, that NinePatchRegion2D would take a texture and divide it up into a 3x3 grid of equally sized parts, but I guess it doesn't. I'll just have to chop up the tiny 48x48 border into 9 16x16 parts myself.

The monogame spritebatch class can't remove the alpha pixels, or rather I cannot set the blend tolerance to 0. I'll need to write a shader.

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>>17711259
fucking hell, it attached the image I had selected prior to restoring the tab

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>Granblue music pack
>Uses some tracks from the Etrian Odyssey pack.

What? Also, has anyone tried updating Noa's pack for 1.71? Is it possible to add the songs as additionals instead of replacers for vanilla Elona?

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Should I be using my Platinum coins on potential or learning new skills?

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>>17711299
Both. Right, you gonna need a lot of platinum.

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>>17711308
Fuark. So basically the early game is just grinding these quests for money and platinum. Do I invest all the money into the magic shop?

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>>17711321
You can, or you could also use it to buy a farm or shop to make more money. Doing the quests goes quicker and quicker the stronger and more familiar with the game you get. Also if you get Yacatect's god reward early, you will get a free 10 platinum every month

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>>17711321
Not just early... At late game it will be a bit easier to grind platinum, but you still will always need it.

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What the good use for domination rods?

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>>17710988
There's no point to playing a mutant without savescumming its limbs, duh.
Aside from spamming a specific body part, they got nothing going for them, beyond roleplay value.

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Is Ehekatl's training item worth using a wish to get? November is a while away.

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>>17710239
I believe its the beautify pack

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This girl drinks more than vanity fair guy

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I love how descriptive the deaths are
>electrocuted to death
>goes to hell
>falls into the void
>burnt to ash
Among a ton of others

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>>17711599
With many hits it becomes annoying - easy to miss something important when you can't see all event of turn without opening whole log.

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>>17707762
No. I have acid ground and fire wall spells.
Talk shit to me and I burn your waifu after they melted!

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>>17711294
Granblu soundtrack apparently didn't have enough songs to fill all the slots.

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>>17711372
I think they are asking why not play another game mode that DOESN'T punish save scumming if you are just gonna ignore the penalty in the first place. You are basically playing essential so why not just play essential?

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>You feel as a stroke of good fortune passed by.

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>>17711778
I don't quite understand what you are going on about.
I thought the situation was pretty clear : play as normal, savescum to get the 27 limbs, then continue to play as normal.
Why wouldn't i play loss ?

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>>17711816
Because it would hurt that poor anons feelings ;_;

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>>17711846
Show me that insane anon who play mutie without savescam.

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>>17711816
Eh. You can do whatever you want.
I honestly don't know why people play loss in the first place, so I thought I'd ask why you'd risk losing all your hard work making the perfect mutant especially if you have to dance around the restrictions a bit.

Is it just the "thrill" of losing everything that pulls people in?

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>>17711956
What first got me into it is that it was a way for me to stop doing little dumb mistakes.
You know, not bothering having rods of change monster on me, not carrying blankets, not carrying scrolls and potions, bump attacking without even analysing the situation...

Of course, once high-level enough i just keep doing that due to unstoppable syndrome and it makes me die a stupid death. Habits die hard, but without loss mode i'd have no incentive to pay attention.

It reminds me of the difference between playing adventurer and roguelike modes of TOME4, you just pay more attention when you only have one life.

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How does breath scale later in the game? I'm thinking of getting a proper dragon pet for my new game, but I don't want to bother if breath damage becomes shit during/after act 2 like most special actions.

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>>17711956
Here we go again

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>>17712015
Ah that makes sense. I've used to have a problem with doing stupid stuff and dying as well, and made up for it by save scumming for the "best" outcome.
I eventually got bored and started policing myself to deal with the everything seriously, but I guess I can understand having game mechanics back it up makes it even more impactful.
I guess it's just not for me since I get way too attached to characters in longer games to have a chance of losing it all. That's why I have like 3 backups on 3 different usbs.

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I finally remembered why I stopped playing Elona. This game is a fucking chore holy shit lol

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>>17712266
It's high investment, like a singleplayer MMO combined with rune factory. More life sim than roguelike (despite being based on ADOM) but yeah definitely not a game made for casuals

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>>17712266
It's really not that bad

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>>17712285
If anything its the most made for casuals roguelike around. No permadeath, extremely easy with most enemies just being walking balls of stats you can beat by just getting bigger numbers than and gameplay which basically comes down to doing whatver you want until you outscale all sense of reason. You can take it at any pace you want, ignore any part of it you want (nothing ever really forces you to move on with the story) and even if you do decide to go do combat, you can just have pets kill everything for you since they scale so absurdly hard right now its basically impossible for you to fuck up so bad pets won't win the game for you

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>>17711888
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRXyWq1QOUI

Not that anon, but here ya go.

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>>17712416
True, but if we're going by the average person the most casual roguelike is still far too involved and complex. For the sort of person that can't even handle this game, there is in recent years a huge surge of rogue-lites that cater to them

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>>17712502
>some autist brings up suicidal friend when guy is trying to play silly game
i dont get streaming

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>>17711259
>>17711274
hahahaha, I can convert the textures to an array of colors and selectively apply an alpha channel only to the black pixels

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>>17712285

Doesn't seem worth it if one of those investments is RSI. Well whatever, I want to stimulate my multi-tasking skills recently

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How long does sick last? I want to know if I can get Urcaguary sick and just wait until her stats become low enough that I can kill her as a lower level character.

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>>17712416
To be honest, Dredmor is a lot more "casual-friendly" than Elona.
>4-way movement instead of the usual 8-way
>EXP/Dungeon size adjustments (you can reduce the size of all dungeon floors to make the dungeon crawling process faster and less grindy)
>simple itemization, character build is mostly about how you spend your skill points
>skill system gives tons of build variety but is pretty simple system: level up, put point in category, get new skill/passive/etc, get bonus stats based on the chosen category's archetype (warrior, rogue, wizard)
>you can carry a storage house with you (a pocket dimension)
>only one boss fight
And other features that I forgot because it's been years since the last time I played it.

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>>17711088
Not in Elona+, I think. First time playing, lvl. 37 Wizard, doing 17d49 with the basic Magic Dart. Pretty fun.

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>>17712891
I think you would die of boredom first.

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>>17713171
You'd be surprised. Riding a gold bell will help. Plus it'll probably be faster than actually grinding to a reasonable level.

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>>17711086
>It's recommended to not level your weapon above level 10. At level 11 you will get a negative effect (weapon will suck your blood and cause bleeding ant random moments).
Actually, a bleedstick is a great way to grind Healing since it ensures you'll be getting healing ticks almost constantly.
That said, it by no means requires you use a living weapon for it, but a trashy living weapon can be an easy way to get a bleedstick.

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>>17711448
Control Magic is trivial to grind, so I'd say not really.

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Once chosen a class, is it impossible to branch it into something that the class is not meant for?

For example, I've been playing a warrior and I decided that I want to try some magic, is it possible to begin with the same character or is it impossible/not worth it?

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>>17713394
It is very possible. Never think that the game will put hard restrictions on branching out.
99% of the time the only "penalty" will be that you have more skills to work on.

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>>17713277
I finally got cursed vomit so I could test it. She recovered too fast. Taking 3 points from her strength wouldn't do a thing. Back to normal tactics I guess.

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>>17713394
Classes means nothing but starting skills, and feat(which you can change).
So, sure - you can make anything out of any character. Moreover, that's what most of players do: jack-of-all-trades out of any character, with time.

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>>17713394
Your class of choice only affects two things: Your initial character sheet (attributes, skills, levels, etc) and your passive feat (Warrior's "+5% extra attack chance", Warmage's "+5% spellcast success", Priest's "+25% healing", etc).
After you finish creating your character and start the game, you can do Anything™. You can change your class later, though it will only change your passive feat (no effect on your stats, so you can be a magic-only user with the warrior's passive feat if you want it).

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>>17713431
>you can do Anything™
does molynuex know that blatant ripoff?

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>>17713506
Molly say in his game you can do anything, but you can't actually do anything

Autistic chinaman don't say you can do anything, but in his game you can do anything

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>>17711616
>*vorpal*
When was it fixed?

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Every time i bless water it dissapears when i pick it up help anons.

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>>17713904
Potion addiction or poisoned hands, maybe?

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>>17713904
never mind i figured it out , i have a shit load of eter diseases and one was transforming my potions into poison.

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>>17713924
kek

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Do living weapons retain levels if passed on through a gene? I made a living weapon with nothing but cooking boosts. Hopefully 3 weapons like that will make me able to get to cooking 3 times the food early.

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>>17714526
Indeedy~~

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At what point does it stop being worth training a god pet? I was lazy about grinding favor so my pets and I were all about level 40 before I got the black cat from Ehekatl. Debating if it's worth the effort to bring her up to speed.

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>>17714549
Ehekatl? She's literally the easiest to grind favor for. Anyone with alchemy and a little preparation can make any item into something to increase favor with. Even snow.

I'm trying to get a new defender and goose to catch up. A tip, having them ride you will speed up skill grinding. For AP just use necromancy.

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>>17714588
For very autistic reasons, I started with another god, stalled on grinding favor for a long time, then switched to Ehekatl and got the cat very quickly with Panic quests, but now I don't even want it.

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>>17714549
Never, I guess? How much a pet is worth training is up to you, really.
All god pets are pretty good, and they have some neat, sometimes unique features (it's not like you will find things like Lay Hand in any random pet). but if you think that your team is more or less complete, adding a new pet (or removing an old one to give space to the new one) will be mostly about what you currently want in your team.

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>>17714602
Ah. No I get it. I switched gods 3 times in one month before.

Personally I can't really find a use for it. Maybe on a character with a whole bunch of them to make enemies insane? They might be durable if you use the abyss in the eye ability.

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>>17714603
I'm pretty happy with my team as is (little girl, young lady evolved into white princess, and fire dragon child). When you put it that way, I could maybe see grinding up the Black Angel or Exile, or keep a Goose around to shit platinum, but I don't really care enough about the other god pets to do that for them.
On the other hand, I just ran into <Isca> the fallen angel and recruited her. She has pretty good stats as is, so I'm considering keeping her instead, though she doesn't get any useful actions/spells/evolutions so she probably isn't worth it in the long run.

>>17714634
I'm playing a fairy shota surrounded by oneechans. I started with Jure before realizing I would feel cucked by the Defender, so I stalled for a long time before I worked up the balls to betray Jure because I wasn't really interested in any of her other rewards

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>>17714668
Defenders can be women, but I'm not sure if that shows on the wiki.

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Does anyone know the code for health drain? I'm trying to turn the Hero spell in to a in game version of Kaioken from DB and I've already got the stat boosting working, I just need the code for health drain so that I can't just spam the spell

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>>17714588
>Anyone with alchemy and a little preparation can make any item into something to increase favor with.
What do you mean by that ?
I'm not aware of a mechanic able to do that.

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>>17714691
Could just get an omega shift core. Boosts stats while it drains your health. Hell using the thing lets you change how your character looks so you can give him an aura if you want.

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I just got Elona+Custom with a bunch of mods, and the soundpacks (love that music), what's a good race/class combo to start? I get the idea it's one of those games where it doesn't matter in the long run, but what gives the best early game so I can get to that all-powerful multi-classing point in the game?

I'll also read the wiki while playing.

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>>17714686
Female defenders make great tomboy waifus

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how am i supposed to offer heavy corpses for favor gains when they rot by the time i trek to the truce ground?

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>>17714691
Check dmgcon or dmghp

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>>17714754
Get a pet with a million strength to carry the unclaimed altar from the graveyard east of Vern

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>>17714727
Get snow(or any other garbage). Transmute it to dead fish with first recipe in pot of fusion. Repeat.

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>>17714743
Golem/predator. Golem give a lot of life and so hp, and predator start with +10 speed compensating for the low speed of golems.

Elea/priest. Elea means an easier time to use blood magic, and priest means better healing and so easier time using bloodmagic.

Snail/tourist. Being a snail unlock a hidden powerful action in cleaners inside cities, which is really great. Being a tourist means getting travelling from the start, for faster travel and skill gains.

Juere/warrior. You won't need to wory about food too much, and get more crafting material to play with, along with the universally useful warrior skills.

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>>17714686
Well shit, someone mentioned that in the comments. I could have be rolling with a dependable tomboy oneesan this whole time. Oh well, my white princess mostly covers healing.

>>17714727
I assume he means using the "recipe of junk make" fusion recipe to turn random crap into dead fish (which count as fish for offering to Ehekatl). You could do the same with Opatos and Jure because they accept junk stones.

>>17714746
>that potential
Your waifu doesn't deserve to be treated like this!

>>17714754
There's an altar in Palmia, and you can store 4 food items in a cooler and they'll never rot.

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>>17714771
Wow, didn't notice worthless gold got changed. And yeah i get it, since noc Ehekatl accept dead fishes.

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>>17714754
Get 20 blessed scroll of flying and make that 500 stones altar into a less than one stone altar.
Also, bless it and make it fire/acidproof for shits and giggles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17714754
Put corpse in cooler, and cooler in your pet.

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>>17714743
Elea, golem, fairy and mutant(this one requires savescum) worths to look at.
Other races offers nothing good. As for class - it really doesn't matters. Look at their starting skills and feat, hen ask youself what you're going to do right after start, and pick something appropriate.

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>>17714841
Strongest guy in these threads is a Eulderna though. I don't know but I don't think races matter all too much. Especially since I hear the gimmicks of other races can be emulated later on in the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17714871

later on lot of stuff can by pass dim res para etc due to weapon/ammo/spell gauge attacks

[Anonymous No.]

>>>62723389

[Anonymous No.]

>>17714871
Yeah, i know. But it doesn't changes that Eulderna doesn't offers anything unique. It just shows that you can make a great character with anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17714885
But there are special actions that keep monsters from using gauge attacks. Not really having a problem with status stuff even though I'm a Yerles doing awakened dungeons.

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>>17714757
thanks

[Anonymous No.]

Now that I killed the daughter of the god of chaos

should I establish a farm or a shop?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17714942
Both

[Anonymous No.]

I want a waifu for myself. But i don't want her to steal my exp and ap. But if i won't let her fight she won't be strong enough to survive staying next to me. Dammit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17714942
>daughter of the god of chaos
Who is that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17714977
this guy's daughter
he's the god of chaos
though he's weak

[Anonymous No.]

How do I fix that awful squeaking sound that happens in the granblue music pack? When the music changes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715269
You know which track it is in particular? This wiki page may help you identify the file
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Custom_music

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715281
Seems to me the world map one.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the catch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715324
You're protecting degenerate used goods for a literal cuck.
Easy money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715324
You'll be ambushed by fearsome assassins en route
It'll probably be a chicken

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715324
>mfw I have an entire trail of storage houses connecting palmia and noyel for some of that easy dosh.

[Anonymous No.]

is it me or elona became too easy lately? idnetifying is too cheap, and for some reason my stat potential remain high.
1. has pet cooking been buffed?
2. has stat potential decrease upon raise been reduced?
also, 100% potential raise skills with trainers is too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715752
Elona still have more than enough of grind. You just can grind for better result now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715752
Pretty much everything is easier than its ever been other than getting money, which is still super easy because mass food selling. On top of this, nothing has actually been scaled up on the enemy side to compensate for this. I've been playing a -50% speed mutant with no pets or mount, not bothering with breakfest, not using pots of potential because they ain't stocking, not even bothering to fuse herbs and the one advantage I have of many hits isn't even working yet because acc too low. Despite this, its so easy I'm bored. Nothing feels like its worth doing when nothing stands a chance even if I actively screw myself over. And I know from my first char it never really gets harder. You get an occasional bump in enemy strength between chapters, but soon enough you are faster and stronger than everything outside the void and the boss dungeons so you get in these awkward situations where you're jumping in massively above you dungeons to try and eek out any challenge at all to get to the point of beating the bosses, then wonder, what now? Even killing the gods doesn't seem particularly appealing when they'll just die the same way everything else does, by being outscaled. It'll just take longer.
This isn't even getting into how absolutely bonkers pet growth is and how they spend less than you do on basically doing anything.

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>>17715794
>many hits
rng or save scumming?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715804
Gavela rushing and version hopping. I'm not entirely sure but I think at some point I got too many heads for this mutant to work out on the level of a save scum one.

[Anonymous No.]

Uhm. Does current speed still affect AP? I thought it's all about INI now.
I can't get any AP when i'm riding my mount, but when i'm fighting without him(at snail speed) - i starting to earn AP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715794
>mass food selling
im not actively looking for profits like trade routes or bumping into trees or fishing any time i have spare sta between a hunting quest and an arena, im saying playing the game casually and its easy. anyway, we can always try inferno mode.

>>17715792
1. i used to sometimes not have enough money to identify all my stuff, making me sell unidentified stuff just so i could afford identifying the rest. now i identify junk stuff without minding it. im not even level 25 and have got myself an estate in 1//3 of the total money i had on me.
2. even if i could grind to get the same amount of money and the same amount of silver raise, those grinds would still cost me time and effort. eating, buying various stuff to grind skills, realizing while i have taken silver for one skill another one needs immediate attention... the game cught up to my grinding even when i actively tried to grind.
also, i got 2 iving weapons in this save file, but thats probably because of ehektel.

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>>17715818
in that case you actively worked to be OP, not screwed yourself over. if you wanna screw yourself, go to gavella and get back the original body you had and see how well you manage than.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715836
I remember that times in vanila Elona. It was terrible, when i had to sell known junk\potions\scroll manually before identifying my stuff, to save scarce coins. Good riddance.

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>>17715845
No because I'm playing for fun. I didn't make this character to be bad, I made him to be fun. It just answers the other characters question pretty clearly when an objectively awful character like mine is currently still has no issues at all with anything except for escort quests (which are currently impossible because low speed)

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>>17715881
>multi handed mutant
>'objectively aweful'

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>>17715752
Well Elona didn't used to have the multiple acts it does now. It makes sense that getting there took longer and was more difficult if Zeome was the final end boss. But now there is so much more content, and the old balance doesn't make sense for that.

Potential increase was raised to 100 per training due to the massive decrease also added (used to be hard to end up near 0%, but now it's very possible), if your potentials remain high you're not actually training your skills hard at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715794
You sound like you're just tired of the game. I enjoy all the things you mentioned. If you want challenge there are also awakened dungeons. Maybe you should just go play something else.

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>>17715896
its not that im not training my skill, its just that i earn silver more than i train my skills. i actively ty for fishing, performer, literarcy, and sometimes weight lifting, negotiation and meditation to be above 300% and generally give any other skill below 100% a boost and thats fine, but it used to be that keeping my most important skill above 100 took effort due to price increase in silver. i could easily get to 15ilver for 20%. that was horrible but skill potential now it feels like a cruisin.

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>>17715896
>>17715931
but yeah, maybe itll get harder in second act.

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>>17715891
When my accuracy is so bad I average 1-2 hits per turn and I'm paying for it with -50% speed I can only fix either temporarily via cores (and fuck those; finishers are better) or mounting which makes my accuracy worse, yes, its terrible. It will be godlike eventually but right now its very far from it. It does about as much damage as a normal char half as often and can't do performing or escort quests because its simply not fast enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715931
I think you're right that it's a lot easier to keep skills you want up. But your other skills might be at a lower potential now than they would have been in older versions

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715964
You...can't do performing quests? What exactly is your speed? Are you even in act 2?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715907
No its a fun game to play between other things. Its an extremely easy game though, more than its ever been, which is what the anon asked about.

>>17715954
It bumps up slightly until you get the armor from the quest in the first real town you find, then you get AP to boost speed and soon becomes easier than part 1.

I think Elona isn't really a game that's going to be hard unless it adds more variety in what enemies do to you. Most of them just shoot/bump/teleport/ and once you outstat them (most noteably with speed) they really don't do much to make you care about them. Some try and use status effects but outside of Dim (which I think immunity to is still Golem unique) and insanity you can pretty much become immune to them all anyways. The fact you CAN just outstat everything probably makes it impossible to balance without something like enemies scaling, which I think is best limited to the Void Dungeon, as it would ruin the comfy feel of the game to me at least. The problem right now is the speed at which you outstat enemies, especially for pets, feels too good compared to the game throwing new enemies at you

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>>17715964
>average 1-2 hits per turn
my bad, i thought you were this guy
>>17711616

at any rate you are at endgame so its obvious things are easy for you. why not try making a gene?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715986
>The problem right now is the speed at which you outstat enemies, especially for pets, feels too good compared to the game throwing new enemies at you
totally agree.

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>>17715973
I'm in act 2 yea. Speed is like 300 base I think, which gets nuked to hell down to 150, then lowered further by being overburdened. This+not using pets to help out has made them too hard to do so far, although I think the issue is they've scaled with my fame assuming I'd be fast enough to keep up. Once I get more AP they'll be fine. Or I could use a pet for ensemble but I did that enough on my first char and wanted to have this one do everything solo.
Its not really something I'm prioritizing doing as is; my goal currently is to get fishing high instead and try and find the quick fishing item so I can quickly do the high fame missions where you fight 1 or a bunch of enemies in a town. I've never seen said fishing item though

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>>17715991
My mutie is my gene of my old char. I want to finish my goals with him then maybe try a fairy and playing ranged/with magic other than AoE's and buffs although I'm worried its weight limit will make 2 hand impossible to use to its full potential, which is also something I want to try as all my chars so far used duelwield.

>>17715996
Are there more of these for the other gods?

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>>17716011
there is an image that include all of them in one go. let me google it for you...

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>>17716011
I really wish i could make claymore fairy... can't they make it so total weight is 15 s and not that individual weight is 1s?

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>>17716014
Couldn't find it with elona god pic but Elona god pic all in one does it

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>>17711259
I would't make that assumption.

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>>17716020
yes, this is the one.
only yact had individual. i manually cut the image because some places on 4chan don't let you post pics of this size.

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>>17716020
Also the fact Lulwy of Nudity's windbow is listed as giving ''massive speed'' when it adds just +7 shows just how absurd the power creep is

[Anonymous No.]

>elona
>easy
at least when you are not playing loss mode
I gave up when I reach act 2 and got crushed by my own piano

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715991
>this guy
This guy doesn't hesitate to use mount, and don't have any problems(Except ap gain -_-) with his mutie, who run at 300-500 speed, depends of burden. Penalty to hit chance not that significant to drop pet, who make me 10 times faster. Especially considering that i mostly rely on time stop and crits.

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>>17716038
she teaches gold rush?? wut? ive maxed her and i dont got that

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>>17716061
Never ever walk around overburdened, man. That's like inferno rule #1

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716074
It's from investing and completely unrelated to jewcatect

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>>17716082
huh the wiki doesn't have that listed. is it from beyond 1.68? my highest level char never got it and he had like thousands in investing but I haven't touched him since either that or 69

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716074
its from /tg/ cyoa. they got a litle liberal with the description.
see the bottom description in the original pic
>>17716020

>>17716075
i once got drunk with one of my guests, walked out while still drunk and sttarved to death after 2 steps on the world map.

yup.

>>17716082
jure is the jew one. like jesus. he was a jew too.

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>>17716082
doesn't yact raise invest skill?

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>>17715986
It is hard and I don't think you need enemies need to throw debuffs out the ass to improve the difficulty. And what's wrong with gaining immunity to status effects? That's like complaining about resistances in PCB, if you didn't have them enemies would way be too annoying to want to engage. Everything doesn't have to be a pain in the ass to fight. What roguelike even has enemies that scale directly to your level? Nothing wrong with the ability to get stronger and pound on weaker foes. Not saying you are but I've noticed that whoever complains about the game being too easy abuses how broken Performer is for a shitton of gold and platinum. Glad you're not a dev honestly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716086
I think this might be the skill you're referring to, it's under (W)ide skills

>>17716094
You don't get skill related abilities from bonuses, only from reaching the req with trained skill

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716095
nerf performer than. old elona had a sense of accomplishment due to it difficulty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716095
>That's like complaining about resistances in PCB
Who exactly is complaining? I was answering the anons question on if its easier than normal. You being a bit too defensive there m8

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716096
No Gold Rush is her self-buff. The info thingy above lists her teaching you it as one of her positives. Golden Storm isn't a buff or related to her at all.

[Anonymous No.]

recorder instrument is a cheat
holy hell 25 on my performer skill and I am plowing gold

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>>17716125
Performing is just strong in general. Ensemble makes all the instruments look like a joke even if you pet has no performing skill and frees up inventory space abd weight. Fascination dance never has anyone throw stuff at you and gets tons of tickets compared to anything else
For pure money it pales in comparison to selling ranch bred food even if you don't rub them or a fish farm but for tickets nothing is better

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>>17716136
>for tickets nothing is better
what about nefia rush?

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>>17715794
>>17716106
Not the same guy but
>it's so easy I'm bored
>nothing feels like it's worth doing
>even killing the gods isn't appealing
>who exactly is complaining?
Kek

If after playing for 200 hours you're really strong and the enemies don't pose a threat anymore, I think there is no problem. You earned it. Actually there are still enemies that pose a threat and you are free to seek them out (as you did). It's true that you almost never need to use your brain when fighting, but that's the nature of the game. It's one huge skinnerbox life/grinding sim. The only time I ever needed to think about my moves was playing inferno

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>>17716104
I agree with that, and I also agree that pets are a little too strong. Make it so you need more Charisma to obtain an extra pet and it scales (+15 per extra pet you get, so for example starting out you need 20 Charisma for the next pet, but after that you need 35 ect). Make the cap on pets tighter too. Just don't want people abusing pets early because stat boosts are rather hard to come by at that point. I think the game's difficulty is in a good spot without Charisma (which is supposed to be the dump stat for most classes anyway) exploitation. Pianist is supposed to be the difficult but awesome early game hell class but instead it's a fucking minion master that can get filthy rich with barely any effort so I'd say reverse the E+ Performer changes back to old. Doesn't make it any better that any class can dip into Performer.
>>17716106
Just drawing an analogue, I didn't want to come off as too aggressive but I do get triggered when people say this game is too easy when in reality on Loss without abuse it's very long, has multiple sore spots, and shitty RNG can get you offed quickly. I didn't read the reply chain either sorry about that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716145
Oh yea I forgot its a thingsince its new

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716090
Jesus wasn't a Pharisee/Rabbinic Jew, though. He kicked them out of the Second Temple and called them "children of Satan". Don't mix up ancient Jews with modern Rabbinic Jews.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716151
>The only time I ever needed to think about my moves was playing inferno
This. Playing Elona on normal is okay if you want to relax or are learning the game but if you're going to take it seriously at all you have to play on permadeath.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716153
But lad, just a few versions ago pets were so incredibly weak and slow to train that nobody ever even took care of them outside of ''pump and dump'' (catching new high level creatures deleting the old ones). These changes have made it so finally people can stick with their favorite creature throughout the game and have it be viable

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716153
Problem with that is that even one pet is absurdly strong and will likely effortlessly be better than the MC at any point in the game except once you reach Kai levels of absurdness. My first and highest leveled char actually planned to play the game with 1 single pet, fighting side by side, but turned her off for anything except breakfest/performing/reading becauseshe was simply always better than me. She'd level faster, max her potential in all skills for basically nothing, was faster for all of part 1 and once I started using AP to power us up I think even that favored her more than me. Rather than 2 close allies struggling through the game together, it felt like she was playing the game for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716173
i gave my living weapons to my pets, they are the ones doing the killing anyway.
i wish there ware more healing spells that heal others. rods and potions are fine, but if i could support my pets in something more than 'teleport myself out of harm and wait for my pets to teleport with me' id feel less ashamed of abusing them so.
my first pet was a fucking dog. and its still strong.
but you know... for now, i stil think im stronger. mainly due to casting hero and holy shield.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716173
Regardless of the rate at which you both level, it's also the case that your pet spends all of their time training their combat skill, and we likely spend platinum and bonus points on the large amount of non-combat skills. But the player has the option to efficiently train their skills in a way their pet never can. Look at how easy it is with a small stack of plat and an asura or two to grind evasion to absurd levels, same with weapon skills and beating on some regenerating monster

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716171
think of the little girls you heartless beasts

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone made a human farm of minutaurs X female elves in elona yet? How did it go?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716211

[Anonymous No.]

how I farm or capture for my ranch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716228
Capture creature using monster ball or domination (knockout feat is handy for the former). In ranch assign it as breeder using the register. It will now magically start popping out babies in the coming months even though it is alone and regardless of gender

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716173
I guess the solutions then are nerf pets or just remove them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716198
this

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716239
Go back to ''developing'' DCSS

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716245
No game deserve DCSS devs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716245
Sorry pal pets are bloat

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716235
Also the babies might be ghosts, might not even be the same race, or might be older than the parent somehow. Fun fact: town children produce old persons as offspring

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716173
>Irva is a harsh world, people kill and die for the stupidest reasons every day
>the only one that truly cares about you is your master
>decides to try your best to make him happy and protect him from harm
>train as hard as you can non-stop, burn all your pocket money on trainers, eat all the weird but delicious dishes mixed with all sorts of herbs that he loves to cook, listen to all his orders following a precise command list, accept being a guinea pig for his gene engineering experiments, etc
>become strong enough to protect your master from everything that Irva throws at him, you could even murder gods and cosmic horrors in his name, nothing will ever harm him again
>master just tells you to go back to the kitchen and warm his bed later before jumping inside another awakened dungeon full of demons ten times stronger than him
>"A-at least I can be a good pillow"

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a place where i can get previous versions of Elona+? I can only find the 1.71 download.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716311
Bloodyshade's site, check pastebin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716173
so anon is mad that a little girl is a better protagonist than him?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716341
yes.
>forbiden meat
>undersea palace
and than anon became the little girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716173
>but turned her off for anything except breakfest/performing/reading becauseshe was simply always better than me. She'd level faster, max her potential in all skills for basically nothing, was faster for all of part 1 and once I started using AP to power us up I think even that favored her more than me. Rather than 2 close allies struggling through the game together, it felt like she was playing the game for me.
wow, man, don't blame little girls for being strong

[Anonymous No.]

why do people say more arms slots for martial arts instead of all hands?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716341
It's pretty funny because in vanilla the deal was ditch the little girl asap and capture bells, messenger of death or a spiral king, they would be strong enough to kill everything save in the void. Prior to E+1.11 (version that added boost where pets gain multiple times the exp) normal pets were really just temporary distractions that died constantly and took a huge effort to train, no godslayer-level player kept using them. Don't send us back to the dark ages solofags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716424
man we come a long way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716239
Nah I think ultimately its fine as is. I'm in the minority (I've seen I think just 2 other posters who said they don't use pets for the same reason) and I can simply do what I already do and not use pets. Those who like them can use them.
If anything what would have made sense is to buff pet scale rates when below the player, then even them out, so they could do what I assume was the goal of the buff in the first place, allowing you to quickly get pets up to snuff and keep them there. But obviously most people like it as is and I don't want things changed just for my sake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716020
I'm picking Yacatect, hell yeah I'm gonna give her an engagement ring and try to have my way with her.

And I have some experience in stocks, so I'm sure she'll love me right back. And yeah, I will pay her the 100 bucks for her to sing me to sleep, I just want to see her embarrassed as she tries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716628
Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMuYfScGpbE

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716628
And the God predetor got another one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716040
Putting stat cap at 200 for the player and his pets but leaving it at 2000 for NPCs could make for a cool new mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>blinded
>death song
>little girl minces something
>2 turns left
>little girl minces something
>1 turn left till death song
>little girl minces something
>-01313
>little girl minces something
Loss mode is t traumatizing me. Little girls should be protected and you should not be the one the being protected

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716040
Pretty sure it means Lulwy's trick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716090
>>17716167
Its funny because the Juere ware quite obviously modded after jews. traveler race proficiant in show biz, negotiation and thievery? might as well give it racial profiancy with the dagger!

[Anonymous No.]

>thieves don't start proficient in stealth

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716768
>The Juere are a people wild and free. Scorning the "weaker" laws of others, they quickly learn the tricks and technologies of others before ever moving onwards. Their pride makes them great performers, and are used to being hungry for long periods of time. Nimble of hand, and Bold of character, no two Juere are ever the same.
Makes you think

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716777
Wild, used to being hungry (living where food is sparse), bold, taking other people's technology, sound like the Mongols to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716672
If you are encountering creatures like that you are long overdue to have blind resist

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716813
>Wild and free
Jews are known for their nomadism

>used to being hungry
Muh holocaust

>bold
Chutzpah is a Yiddish word for a reason

>great performers
Hollywood

>they quickly learn the tricks and technologies of others before ever moving onwards
I'm gonna have to browse /pol/ for this one but I don't feel like it right now so I guess I'll give that one to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716862
They are the ones that made phone calls as cheap as they are now. Before they would cost a lot.

So yeah, jewre

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716020
>Purple twintails
>Ghost Recon Red

I keep seeing these amongst JP mods. Who are they?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716901
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Angel
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Exile

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716901
both of them are servents bestowed upon the player after earning acknoldgment from their respective god.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716936
>>17716946

Neato.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716901
can you give an example of those mods?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716946
>she has boobs
factually wrong, you faker

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717065
Sprites and portraits. In the pastebin and wiki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717081
>factually wrong
? source on your info?

>>17717087
i don't think the person i replied to ever played elona, so i don't think mods for elona are the answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717108
my heart says she'sflat

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716946
Thanks, now I'll imagine her with big fat titties and I love it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717108
I am the guy you replied to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717134
so which pastebin are you talking about? the ones in OP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717087
I always wondered, why we don't have a dozens of content mods for the game which comes with own sources.
That's kinda lame when people call theit graphic\sound replacers as "mods". Well, techically it is a modifications, but... meh...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717142
Exactly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717224
oh, i was hoping you were talking about, i dunno, a sprite hack for a doom game with various /jp/ persona from touhou and higurashi or something.
how long have you been playing elona btw?

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know what cdata(58) is? I'm trying to work out if pets still need to carry fooproof blankets after you buy Chara quality up.
E.g., item_fire checks "(cdata(25, item_fire_arg1) >= 4 & cdata(58, item_fire_arg1) == 0)". I know cdata(25) is set to 4 by Chara quality up, but I'm not sure what cdata(58) is. The only parts of the code I can find that change the value are add_ally and ai_turn, and they only set it to 100.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717230
When I said JP mods I meant JP Elona mods.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717198
The problem is Elona's content is compiled, so content mods tend to be mutually exclusive.
Elona+ is really just a glorified mod.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717317
I believe it can be worked around. Like... distribute mods as diff patches for source, so you could apply several of them at once. It's not hard to rebuild Elona with modified sources.

[Anonymous No.]

someone made a mod in like the last thread or two. the one that shows percent hit for all weps. i use it myself

[Anonymous No.]

>>17716365
Extra hands don't give extra martial art attacks.

[Anonymous No.]

How do i into martial arts. Just got to act 2. Do i need ap? Currently running an all god pet party.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717428
Oh, so if you wanna go the martial arts only root, then having more arms to increase martial arts accuracy is better?

Seems kinda pointless since the whole idea of having up to 27 hands is to attack a million times with up to 27 weapons.

Is martial arts alone really that strong enough to compare to wielding dozens of weapons?

[Anonymous No.]

>get latest Elona
>spend hours making the desired character.bmp and stuff
>play a few days
>return some time later
>everything is outdated
Every time I try to play Elona. What do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717498
Arm slots can give more damage. Acc is irrelevant. Its the same for 2 handing. Its a question of boosting a single hit to its greatest extremes or hitting people 5 million times with time stopping high crit weps that have tons of resists and the like on them. No one knows which is absolutely better yet, as the highest leveled char here who fights the highest level enemies is not a mutie.
Also mutants start with 4 body parts so can get 23 weps melee.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717516
Wait until a big update. Unless you're like 10 versions behind you can wait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717516
just keep playing? i just came back and the last time i played was like 1.65 or 7 or something like that. it updated my char with no issue, i still use the same bmp
as a bonus im fucking rich and that's apparently harder now

[Anonymous No.]

>>17714976
Gene engineer levels
Could takstock or whatever to get her to do nothing
Or teach her heals n buffs and put it in her ai (if custom)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717526
why not go for a balanced mutie? Like 6 hands 3 arms or something like that
I can't imagine the accuracy penalties for like last 10 of 23 weapons

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717476
There is a MA guide on the pastebin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717689
My mutie is a balanced mutery. 2 gloves, a neck, a head, feet, 1 ring. For all the useful artifacts I want to use that aren't random
Since you always hit in time stop and on a crit accuracy doesn't matter as much later I'd imagine. Even my relatively early one doesn't really care about accuracy as the massive speed malus (-50%) forces me to basically do nothing but trade and fight quests, which means my combat stats are very high for my level and I simply 1 shot most things with the first swing of my first wep anyways

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717753
Why not get a mount? Evolved little girl is easy to ride and will protect you from insanity. Only long-term problems with Riding are Two Hand (the heavy weapon penalty never goes away) and pet spellcasting (mount loses the Warmage bonus).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717783
My last char used a mount until act 2 and for a good while a pet. This one I want to run solo.

[Anonymous No.]

>Isca's listed resistances once recruited are: Fire/Cold- Little, Poison- Normal.
Since when does this happen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17714976
Just make her a pure healer, buffer and debuffer.

She won't kill your shit, but she'll help you kill shit better. She'll still get experience in magic to make her support even better overtime.

You'll probably have to use Custom though for the AI tweaks ontop of either spending AP for necessary skills, or learning the spells yourself to teach them through Custom AI.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717926
What does "and" do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717926
But... how to develop pure debuffer? Okay, i can give levels via gene engineering. What about AP?
I have kind of support now, but i don't expect much from him in long term. (Though, touch of sleep with fast pet it's incredibly amazing thing)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717952
If it's true, it checks the next line. If it's false, it skips the next line.
Basically you use it to set requirement A AND requirement B for some action.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717971
>checks the next line
Are you sure? In this case and-and-action statements will work even when conditions return false-false-true, logically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717958
Tag team and/or riding with her allows you to share AP gained with your partner. Pets also earn a lot more AP than the player does by default.

If you know how Elona experience works, you gain experience for doing anything, not just for killing creatures. Everytime she levels up her casting skills just by casting spells like debuffs/buffs, she gains experience towards her casting skills, which gives exp for her next level up. She also gains benefits from group skills like Ensemble or Preaching, when she cooks/crafts for you, etc.

It's like how you may have noticed yourself leveling up just by doing non-combat things like farming or crafting.

[Anonymous No.]

So aside from the sickfull older brother who has the bound in blood special action? An all Roran team would work well but I'd like to know my options.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717952
Using that previous image as an example, he's first checking if the pet has more than 10% MP left. If they do, then they check whether or not the enemy is already inflicted with the debuff slow/mist of frailness.

If the ally still has above 10% MP (to prevent overcast) AND the enemy is not yet debuffed, cast the debuff spell.

If either condition is false, no casting will occur at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717995
I'm not really sure, I wouldn't depend on the Custom AI to properly evaluate something that complex in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717999
skillname(764) = lang("血の結束", "Bound in Blood")

^ cdata\((215|220|211), rc\).*764.*$

cdatan(0, rc) = "sickfull older brother"
cdatan(0, rc) = "master archayeek"
cdatan(0, rc) = "king woodlouse"
cdatan(0, rc) = "performaid bloodress"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717999
all insect team is objectivelty superior

[Anonymous No.]

>>17717498

if you want more hits with martial arts need gear that lets you get more hits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718144
Thank you so much! That's really helpful.

Shell or imp teams might be really powerful. If certain special actions can be worked around that is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17715537
>I'm not the only one building storage super highways between cities for this sole purpose

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718438
Isn't it kinda expensive? Monthly bills.

[Anonymous No.]

I got rid of the HLSL shader and wrote my own pixel by pixel replacement function in the asset loader, I can remove alpha pixels and tint things at the same time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718516
Low price for ambush free passage from town to town

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I find a Panzerfaust X?
And Particular enemy or dungeon I should be searching for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718516
I don't know how many you'd need to make all towns travels worry-free, but even a thousand storage house would only mean 750000-450000(0-40karma)/month.
Thought i guess you could use dungeon deeds instead, but compared to a storage house it'd take like 50 ingame years to break even.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718537
Should build discarded ranches instead. Can store twice as many items, can also store pets, no taxes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718603
If you can afford that many discarded ranches then you won't need them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718627
If you can afford that many storage houses you shouldn't need to avoid ambushes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718646
It's less about the difficulty and more about the time wasted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718627
>>17718646
>>17718664
You're all fags

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718664
Time and money spent acquiring and laying down >100 storage houses.
vs
Time spent with cast teleport exit map once in a while

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718697
Oh and the houses won't even help you if you have to leave the road for any reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718701
You just need more houses. To cover whole world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718697
Palmia is a prime town to get tickets and platinum.
The only effort required to get storage house is just move three tile north and buying them, lenghtening the encounter-free road each time a little.
>>17718701
Two reasons you'd do that.
First for dungeons, and getting in a fight is just good when you're on the warpath.
Second due to hard rain confusion, which is your own fault for not wearing an aurora ring, or not spending one limb slot on a ring if mutant.

[Anonymous No.]

Just dropping by to say this so listen up all you fags:

"There is nothing save-scumming can't fix."

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718761
Wimp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17707600
I don't even play this game and am not even a /jp/ regular, but I've been lurking around these threads for the OP collages for months now.

They're always really funny and well-made. Thank you, collage-anon!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718761
>There is nothing save-scumming can't fix unless you're playing a real mode like loss or abnormal mode which punishes idiots and irresponsible people.

Fixed that for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718801
ooh, so pro

[Anonymous No.]

How high should the general vendor shop or the crooked guy in noyel should be until they start selling pokeballs? i lost the ones for the gene engineer quest and need more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718905
Moyer doesn't sell pokeballs. He mainly sells rings and amulets. Lend in South Tyris sells them so you might be thinking of him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718957
I need the gene engineer machine now my pets are seriously underleveled i need pockeballs for the quest.

[Anonymous No.]

I think I might have made my character too strong by adding kaioken

[Anonymous No.]

>>17719052
Considering the growth rate of pets you'll be fine until then if you can't find random balls until then. You'll make up for lost time when you finally get the machine and you won't have to cry that your pet is OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17719063
>kaioken
?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718905
The lastest versions made it a lot easier to find monster balls in general vendors, there's a ~1/3 chance to find one after every restock, even if you don't invest at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17719077
It's a technique from Dragon Ball that can multiply your power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17719063
>no pets
makin us proud. i hope you're on loss too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17718730
>Second due to hard rain confusion, which is your own fault for not wearing an aurora ring, or not spending one limb slot on a ring if mutant.
Just hit return to enter the local map, bum around until you're unfucked, go back to the world map and keep moving. No need for a wasted ring slot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17719442
>used to play with nopets, have tons of fun
>start a new playthrough and try with pets
>make a huge harem and never have the resources to invest into a single girl and make her powerful
How do you guys do it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17719832
Start small. Only train one or two at a time, or collect ores to give the money to keep potentials up. Make sure they have good gear and pickpocket.

[Anonymous No.]

HspError 12 WinError 123 Ver 2960 Mode 0
efId 0 efP 0 Area 0/0
ci 0#0 ti 0#0 cc 0#0 tc 0#0 rc 0#0
3. userNpc_update:set actions ct:0
2. userNpc_update:set ref ct:0
1. userNpc_update:2.1 ct:0
0. userNpc_update:2 ct:0

Anyone encounterred this? I just zipped my game and brought it to work and it's like this when I unzipped it. I set locale to JP just to be sure but no dice. Also redownloaded 1.71 for both + and Custom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17707600
Oh sweet, this is where the elona thread is, I'll go ahead and let /v/ know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720242
Don't

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720244
Too late, they're coming, and they're bringing all their pepes and wojaks.

[Anonymous No.]

this thread is already mentioned in the /rgl/ pastebin desu.

>>17718697
reminds me of people in terraria whod spend hours per boss setting up some overly complex arena only to spend like 5 mins actually fighting the boss, get the drop they want and never use it again instead of simply being better at the game. except in this case ambushes are literally not a threat so its not even a matter of skill

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720348
In that game you can make a nice brick arena and keep using it for the rest of the game, improving it a little at a time and adding e.g. wired statues for healing, lava pit for invasions etc. But honestly the only reason I'd ever build a storage road in this game is if I had a bunch of custom road sprites to make it look like an actual road (so build it for aesthetic purposes). I couldn't find any such sprites though, they'd have to be self-made

[Anonymous No.]

>spam reading spellbooks
>draining my mana but not watching
>die from the resulting reaction

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720385
>do stupid shit in a roguelike
>die
I don't see the problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720385
That's how I lost a 30-hour loss character one time. I've never made that mistake again since, learned it the hard way

[Anonymous No.]

anybody tried running elona on linux?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720390
learning things the hard way is the best. That's why I love roguelikes
I once squished myself with a mountain of books in ADOM, because my carrying spell ran out

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720399
I did that too in adom, also I killed myself with bolt spells so many times and learned to fear the sound of *THUMP*

[Anonymous No.]

Finally, full house!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720405
>killed myself with bolt spells
I made it a habit to only cast spells that I am immune to.
Too bad the best bolt spell is unresistable and you need it leveled for the diamond golems

[Anonymous No.]

What am I doing wrong? She won't even move

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720579
Continuous attacks is a melee action.
Distance 3 isn't melee.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720676


continuous attack has a range of 4 though so its not full on melee action.

this is only thing battle puppet spams on top of the debuffs it has as a pet on normal AI

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720579
Continuous Attacks will fail a lot for now because your pet still have 0% learning progress.
Based on your AI, your pet will stop moving around enemy distance 3 (any enemy) because both Move Forward lines are configured to only work at range 4 or above (not sure why you have the same command with fairly similar rules: ">= 4" and "> 5").
Basically, the pet will move to enemy distance 3, then it will constantly fail to use Continuous Attacks (forcing the pet to skip it and read the next line) and do nothing because there are no commands for this situation (learning-in-progress action failed so no continuous attacks, distance below 4, so no move forward, distance below 5, so no move forward again, nothing to do this turn).
Sometimes Continuous Attacks, which will give a bit of learning progress%, but at 0% you will just see failures. You need to add an "if all fails" command(s) at the end of her AI routine until your pet learns to use the action enough to not fail 90% of the time (like "target distance != 1 -> move forward" and "target distance = 1 -> attack melee")

[Anonymous No.]

Uh, can someone tell me where the M109 is from? Is it a mod? And how do I check its stats? I attempted to pokeball an NPC named Ririkaru and when I did catch it and opened the pokeball I got a tank...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720730
You are probably using some "Custom NPC(s)" pack. To capture custom NPCs, you need to use Dominate (the spell or the rod), because monster balls won't register the captured NPC properly, so opening it will just give you a random custom NPC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720730

sounds like custom npc

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720751
>>17720756

Fucking hilarious. I did it again and she turned into CNPC-137.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720385
I've been too busy reading books and haven't even realized I summoned monsters sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720729
Ah, I see. Thank you very much

[Anonymous No.]

So, -50% speed for mutant basically means that i won't ever reach 2k speed, right?
Which means i need a pet with 2k speed and huge strength to ride him. And that pet should have low speed INI to not mess with my AP gain.
And now the question - how important riding bitflag? Can i reach 2k on pet without that flag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720975
You can use Gamma or Omega cores to entirely remove the speed malus for their duration, and with 1 of each or 2 of either have 100% uptime. For non-combat stuff you boned though

[Anonymous No.]

got his shit push in any way

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720889
I was reading the post again, and one line ended up being a bit misleading (because I forgot to actually write the rest of it for some reason).
>Sometimes Continuous Attacks will work, which will give a bit of learning progress%, but at 0% you will just see failures most of the time.
Fix'd.
The basic idea is that your pet need to at least try to use the learning-in-progress action (so setting it up on top of "will definitively work" commands is important) to get more progress% and eventually fully learn it, but you need to give it one final command that always works (like my suggestion) so your pet will always have something to do (instead of just spamming your log with "I can't do shit" messages).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720988
I have them... But it's too annoying to wait for gauge, and that 1h cooldown.
Though, getting second gamma core might be good idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720994
If your healing/mana regen is enough to deal with Omega cores downside, a second one of those would be better since its not only the best buff in the entire game it also prevents the gauge from depleting for its duration making it much easier to fill

[Anonymous No.]

Mmmh, can you use cores on a mount ?
Or would the player automatically be targeted ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17721001
Even if it doesn't depletes i still can't pump my gauge from 0 to 100 at any moment. Like, when i enter first level of dungeon. Cores are good, but requires too much micromanagement to use it constantly.
If i can just train a mount to reach 2k speed - that's much more desirable. (And i always can buff my ride with core)

[Anonymous No.]

things that i have found out.

decapitation the pets can learn for ap can be use at range of 3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17721030
You could repeatedly use aromageddon. As a snail I just drink salt and then use aromageddon once. That requires healing though in most cases.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17721030
I seem to remember being able to throw stuff at yourself but it ain't working

[Anonymous No.]

>>17721030
>>17721129
>>17721222
Doesn't cursed equipment that causes you to bleed fill the gauge?
Pretty sure being over-weight also bumps gauge , though you'd have to micro your weight so that you only cross the weight threshold by minimum amount.

[Anonymous No.]

Over weight tends to just make it go down slower in effect, rather than fill it. Dunno about how good equips that bleed are

[Anonymous No.]

What about pets? Can't they pump gauge with something like "player hp > 50% and player(preserve target) gauge < 100 attack"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17721318
Easiest way to pump pet gauge is to let them do their thing and just spam Taktstock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17721375
I think he means pets boosting our gauge by hitting us, since like everything else pets are already broken in regards to meter use and fill it retardedly fast

[Anonymous No.]

>>17721393

gunner pets being most retard it fills up passively in combat for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17719365
Which version? I am using 1.64

[Anonymous No.]

>>17720407
Demon lord? where did you got that pet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17721578
the latest is like 1.71 dude its literally in post 1

[Anonymous No.]

>>17721608
I know the latest is 1.71, but the other guy said in the latest versions in plural i guessed that was the case in other versions and not only the last.

[Anonymous No.]

The buffed rate was added in 1.71 according to the changelog.

[Anonymous No.]

>open door
>immediately drawn in and killed by cluster bomb rocks
>loss mode
brehs.....

[Anonymous No.]

>>17721693
Just like get HP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17721693
this is why I don't bother with loss mode in Elona
Some enemies are just too bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>17721587
Some random dungeon in South Tyris

[Anonymous No.]

>>17721693
This is why you either houzanha the floor so you can spread em out, or get barrier before going to randungeons with a chance of spawning cluster bomb rocks (so void first). Also have buffs up and a defender with you. I'm on loss and survived rooms like that using the power of being very afraid of them

[Anonymous No.]

I just discovered Decapitation is an actual ability that you can set to always happen under the right conditions instead of just when you're lucky.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that Sense Object not only reveals which rooms are packed with enemies, it will also SHOW YOU any enemies within sight radius. (i.e. ones behind walls)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722050
isnt that just for pets though. also has more range i think because pet balance

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722068

pc has blade strings to act as a decapitation/set down traps to do same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722055
Or invisible

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722068
>>17722076
Does blade strings get affected by Farmer feat?

[Anonymous No.]

Post what your bedroom looks like. No prep work or cleaning up allowed. You do have a home right? You're not some poor adventurer living in a cave right? If you are at least fucking remodel your cave to be livable.

[Anonymous No.]

why did they remove voting? i remember the drunk Suika was always the top voted name

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722252
>You're not some poor adventurer living in a cave right
yea actually i only made this gene recently.i dont think ive visited home more than like twice

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722252

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722292
E+ has its own server that doesn't have voting yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722252
>No prep work or cleaning up allowed
rip

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722050
>>17722068
I wouldn't want one pet with on-demand decap to steal all the kills though.

[Anonymous No.]

i hate updating my sprite sheet every patch....

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722252
Room actually looks messier now that I've started to create/edit my own item sheet. Wonder what my game will look like once I finally finish editing my interface, character, item, and map sheets.

[Anonymous No.]

so its time

Playing a warrior-shooter hybrid, is gravity control recommendable? otherwise what do you suggest, since I'm pretty much new

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722352
It's a nice speed boost for the party, but gravity effect might fuck you up because you will lose float during that time

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722356
its situational, as everything, but I'm playing a very static character (that is, try to soft shit up by shooting it as it comes and then destroying in melee, not trying to run towards enemies or move if not completely necessary) so it might be worth it
I could always go for more boring feats like speed up, but that's not what the game is for

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722252
Welcome to the RETARD CAVE!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722352
Gravity Sphere disables greater evasion, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722389
it does

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722345
That jure bed sheet. How come when I converted I didn't get lewd pillow or sheets? You're making your own edited graphic sheets huh. How hard is it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722345
i like ur clock

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722345
I like your dakimura its custom made or its the same the partime workers gives you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722386

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722421
Hmm I wouldn't say editing the sheets is particularly hard. Especially if you use gimp and take advantage of its customizable grid lines so you can line up the sprites perfectly. Makes ripping and stitching very easy and well and just cutting and dumping. So far I've done some minor touch ups on the game environment.

I liked what the beautify pack did for grasslands but I find it odd that the beautify pack seems to have a yellow filter applied. Decided to get rid of the yellow saturation using gimp and cut/stitched the grass part of the beautify map file into my map file I'm editing. Found that the chinese pack in the mod pastebin had a touch up on wastelands and snowy areas so I added that to my map pack.

Customizing the item and character sheets is easy if you customize the gridlines to be 48x48 and turn them on in gimp. Just drop in sprites you find within the boxes to replace stuff.

>>17722444
It's a sprite I found in the chinese pack listed in the mod pastebin of the OP. There's also lewd bedsheets for Lulwy in there as well as a bedsheet for Ehekatl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722386
ok that got a laugh out of me

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722292
It's not that it was removed, it's that the server died and stayed dead for years. Only recently did a guy jerryrig a server for E+ that doesn't even have all the functionality the old ones did

[Anonymous No.]

I heard several people say that the black angel is the best mount because of the speed boosts. Lulwys trick is applied to your mount if you use it (as is speed). Well what about mounts with different speed boosts? You know like space retention and uncontroll. Wouldn't that be better if it was passed on to an heir?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722584
Glad to hear someone enjoys it. I've lost tons of shit in there before. I really need to organize.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722638
Uncontroll is teachable via C-AI.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722502
Forgive me but I'm a bit new to gimp. How do I customize grid lines for my character sheet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722743
1:Image->configure grid->input correct dimensions under spacing
2: View->show grid

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722743
Here's a picture of what it looks like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722748
>>17722761
Thanks. This should help me create and update my sheets.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey if I'm training a pet w/ an evolution is there any reason to hold off evolving them until they get stronger or?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17723082
Main thing I can think of offhand is that evolutions often increase speed, so if the evolution doesn't provide a useful ability you might want to wait until you buy their speed up to 800 via AP before evolving them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17723082

do it at any time they get stats no matter what.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17723082
You can only increase speed through AP up to a cap, and then have to increase it by other means to hit the real cap of 2000. However I think the small amount of speed from evo is not worth waiting for, you'll be able to stockpile plenty of speed upper/hermes blood/high quality food by that time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722252
I own and use 2 rooms on opposite ends of the palace, like a faggot.

Palaces are too fucking big man.

[Anonymous No.]

I wen to the pyramid and killed the mummies but the pyramid master didnt appear, what did i do wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17723625

look for the steeps to go deeper

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722252
Okay you got me...
I don't have a bedroom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17723720
i went deeper but the master is not there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722252
>no cleaning up allowed
>tfw too many bedrooms with ex-slaves, dungeon dwellers and an actual murderhobo making up the most of my party

Yeah, cuz with a big mansion and all, it will totally just work itself out, right? And they wonder why they're still left "training" at the doujyou.

1.The Mistress's master bedroom shared with Gorziss the Valkyrie and wizard of Elea.

2.Gaun the adventurer and Deyforse the Cat Princess's winter room.

3.Captain Goda and the asura's slovenly room.

4.Knight of Elea and Yerles cyborg soldier's eastern room.

5.The head maid's room.

6.Servants room.

7.Guest room.

8.Flandre's basement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722252
Does it count as a bedroom? I have some beds here...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722252

[Anonymous No.]

>>17724039
That looks like a nice cosy rope.

[Anonymous No.]

How to fix it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17724269
I used love potions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17724269
If your playing custom you can turn on the feed command and when you pet starts eating occupy the tile their taking and theb bash their stupid face. You have to leave and re enter the area cause it only works once at a time. I think you also have to tell your pet not pick items off the ground first

[Anonymous No.]

is the elochat working now?

>>17720385
I told you to take magic capacity.

[Anonymous No.]

What do i how now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17721794
>I'm on loss and survived rooms like that using the power of being very afraid of them
lol

>>17722305
why not? give it good luck and anatomy for drops, and maybe even let it train living weapons.

[Anonymous No.]

My pet desperately need more strength. Lot more. Money(i.e. potential) isn't problem, so what the fastest way to train him?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17724491
celebrate that you're not dead, at least

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722055
>>17722114
thats very usefull to know, actually. the look command will now be used a lot more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722252
>bedroom
i have masterwork sleeping sheep. I don't need a bedroom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17722363
>my current character has a shutgun and a whip
>use distant attack of my whip for enemies in range 2-4
>use rapid ammo fo shutgun in melee range

nah just kidding. i use magic ammo on enemies with high evesion cuz my whip is stronger than my gun in any range.

[Anonymous No.]

>tried to hit little girl
>she minces me
but I am the hero...what the fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>17724534
Heroes don't hit little girls, idiot

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>>17724508
i dunno. give it strangth based weapons? give it weight lifting and make it burdened? make it eat a lot of meat?
i know some monsters meat is very good for str, like beetle. get a ranch, capture that monster, and start breeding.

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>>17724545
but it was just a spar bro!

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>conbat plane

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>>17724510
Had to teleport all over the place.

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>>17724491
collect all the coprses and sacrifice them to your god.

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Suggestions for healer pets? I shouldn't have much trouble capturing anything up until level 200 or so.
Also, Pascal or Dark Horse for mounting? Dark Horse has more speed, but pascal has boost.

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>>17717998
>Tag team and/or riding with her allows you to share AP gained with your partner.
Does it really works? I mean sharing AP with mount.
It works with tag for sure, but tagging with wanna-be-mount it's not a good idea. (Why the hell one need such mount, which makes him slower, in tag)

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>>17724635
>Suggestions for healer pets?
Defender?

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>>17724635
buy a nurse from slave trader.

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>>17724635
Defender (Lay Hand), Nurse's evolution and Little Girl's witch evolution (Rain of Sanity).
With AP you can buy Tactical Heal pack to give healing spells to any pet.

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what is the flower bequet good for?

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is cooking better with more expensive stuff? bq set is supposedly better than food processor, but is a bewitched processor better than bq set?

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>>17724775
The type of cooking utensil is the only thing that matters, material or furniture prefix do not affect cooking at all.
That BBQ set is the best in the game, turn it into paper and carry with you everywhere.

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>>17724817
should i bless it?

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>>17724829
I don't think it matters.

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>>17722252
My current shot at a bedroom.
Made a upstairs for my castle to make into a bed chamber area while turning the first floor into an audience room with an open market around it, and a mini library behind it, along with a vault, simple storage and a jail (with barracks) in the basement.
The first floor is still pretty WIP though.

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>>17724829
you should bless everything in the name of the one true god

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>>17725418
Allah?

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>>17725466
>implying Astaroth, Archfiend of Hypocrisy, is the one true anything

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>>17725466
no, your little girl

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>>17725635
Little girls are slayer of gods, not just boring gods. And for some reason people here are too afraid of losing their "protagonist" spot to their little girls to even consider worshiping them.

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>>17726008
>And for some reason people here are too afraid of losing their "protagonist" spot to their little girls to even consider worshiping them.
i think only literally 1 person in this general has ever said that. i dont use them because i want to actually play the game and using pets in their current state doesnt feel like i am. it feels like im watching them play. they grow so fast regardless of what i do i cant enjoy their growth and the game cant keep up with them at all so they just suck all the fun out of it
being the protagonist has nothing to do with it, being the player does.

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>>17726110
You are always the player, though, wheter you are killing shit, supporting or being a pacifist. What you want is killing stuff yourself, which is the closest I can think to wanting to feel like a protagonist.

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>>17726110
>not wanting to be the very best like no one ever was

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>>17726176
i want to feel involved in the gameplay. pets remove all need to care about growth by being better than you need to be without trying and will just run around winning everything for you in dungeons
you are the one obsessing over being the protagonist here, trying to force words into our mouths. its rude and hurtful and mean

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>>17724506
Well if it was my only pet I wouldn't mind. Otherwise, they hog all the kills (and pickpocket gold) from other potential pets.

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>>17726213
I will be as rude as I want, nerd.

>i want to feel involved in the gameplay
You want to feel involved in the combat, the only aspect of the game where pets are truly relevant, but not so much involved as you want to feel like a big damn hero while everyone else watch in awe how much stronger and useful you are than them.

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>>17726235
wide skills you can only use with pets are also plain better than what you can use without so theyre involved in that too, although i dont mind that. they also get free mats, a fuck ton of them, just for killing so theyre involved in that too. which again i dont mind
and i actually like collecting herbs, potions and pots and stuff to earn power in this game, rather than pets simply being so good if you do it wrong its too good
i wanted us to be equals like ive said many times in this general.
not sure its even worth talking to you if your gonna keep putting words in my mouth like this

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>>17726255
>like ive said many times in this general
Do you think you're special or something and everyone should remember your hot opinions? Go play vanilla

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i think you should actually read what people say in general instead of just assuming everyone is some strawman for you to yell at. its just sad. literally only 1 person in this general has ever said anything about being the protag

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and also vanilla sucked for what i wanted to, since the pets were too weak. its possible to want an actual balance instead of pets being literal jokes you pass on for new ones or born as gods

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