/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Creator of the Touhou doujin shooting game series and notorious hat fetishist ZUN has expressed his discontent at the possibility of Touhou transcending the doujin sphere and becoming a fully developed commercial franchise; he expressly enjoins doujin publishers to restrict the availability of their works and not to promote them to the general public (apparently defined as people who don’t play his games).

In fact, in laying down a long and detailed set of regulations he has issued what many interpret as strong criticism of the much anticipated unofficial anime, due at C75.

After excusing himself from actually attending C75, he leaves this lengthy postscript:

“Also, word of the Touhou anime on which a certain circle is working on has reached me. As Touhou is game without voicing, the prospect of big name seiyuu voicing the characters and this being mistaken for an official arrangement worries me.”

“Certainly, as it’s a doujin project basically you can make anything, but if you make too big a splash I think it it’s troubling to me and the other circles. I’m especially concerned about the prospect of fans who are mainly into the anime becoming a class of Touhou fans who do not play the games, as it seems highly likely this will result in it being mistaken as official.”

“The same goes for other Touhou doujin works:

Make sure everyone who comes into possession of them realises they are fan made.

Don’t overstep the mark in promoting your works (especially by promoting to people who aren’t already familiar with Touhou).

Restrict distribution of your works.

If you heed these points, I believe we can avoid any confusion. I would like you to continue creating in that vein.”

[Anonymous No.]

Bawww people who are more talented than me will get popular using my characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>No sauce or webpage
tl;dr
Sage.

[Anonymous No.]

He also issues a long and onerous set of regulations over how he would like to see Touhou products handled; a few points stand out:

“All distribution must be limited … to only venues which distribute our games.”

“Also, even for circles which are not commercial operations, distribution and promotion of products in a fashion which exceeds the extent of doujinshi (for example selling the products in a normal book or game shop) should not be undertaken.”

“Resistance to commercialising these works is lessening… there are still no clear guidelines as to what is acceptable.”

“… but should you wish to distribute a doujin product in a commercial fashion, that is basically something we cannot allow.”

All this has caused quite a stormily mixed reaction, especially since it practically singles out the anime as an undesirable (or very nearly so) project; many fans actually agree, seeing it as an assault on ZUN’s authority and a gateway to (full as opposed to small scale) commercialisation.

[Anonymous No.]

Cool story, bro.

[Anonymous No.]

A wide variety of opinions seem to be in evidence, but most notable are those who decry the upstarts who ignore ZUN’s wishes, and who spread confusion about the nature of Touhou, and those who view his statements as little more than diktat; these more sceptical voices tend to be less than appreciative of what they see as the pompous and arrogant way the orders have been handed down.

One of the more convincing arguments on offer is that this is indeed a case of ZUN starting to get delusions of grandeur, or possibly simply becoming upset that his games, and thus his influence, have been eclipsed.

Touhou in this view is seen less as stemming from a single author (who it must be remembered only created a series of shooting games with minimally elaborated characters and mediocre production values; the great bulk of the works are elaborated on by fans), than as being a collaborative project with thousands of participants.

Since it does indeed seem that without such vibrant fan participation ZUN’s shooting games would have been consigned to obscurity, this explanation seems to carry no small weight.

Whatever the case, it seems Touhou is at a crossroads, where it can either transform into a fully realised pseudo-commercial franchise, with pro-seiyuu already staking their claims, whilst still being intimately tied to the doujin world, or attempt to curtail the growth in its popularity by consolidating the fanbase around ZUN’s shooting games, which are of limited appeal to many who otherwise express interest in the world of Touhou.

Source : Sankaku Complex and ZUN's blog

http://kourindou.exblog.jp/9178184/

[Klein !Klan7ih6Qs No.]

>>1764920
>Source : Sankaku Complex

Uh oh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764920 Source : Sankaku Complex

[Anonymous No.]

The anime is probably going to suck and everyone will look back on this and feel stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

How come you guys are so butthurt over Sankaku?

[Remilia Scarlet !!0l42/w//XuF No.]

>>ZUN starting to get delusions of grandeur
I don't see any evidence of that at all. He just wants to make sure he has money to pay bills and buy a beer at the end of the day.

[Anonymous No.]

>sankakucomplex

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764929
Kind of like that other Touhou anime?

[Anonymous !wM5G0xiB/Q No.]

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/12/15/touhou-creator-zun-to-masses-no-touhou-for-you/
There is link to probably-original source..

[Anonymous !wM5G0xiB/Q No.]

>>1764938
Thats why he goes to work. He is not living from Touhou. Its only for fun.. his and fans..

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder why ZUN is whining about it. He has never seemed like the kind of guy to do it for the popularity, but I might have misjudged him.

[Anonymous No.]

His concerns are unfounded:

1. They'll sell maybe 23 copies.
2. You'll never be able to buy this in a real store.
3. It'll never be broadcast on TV.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh and it'll be a single episode like 20 minutes long.

[Anonymous No.]

While I agree with ZUN, there isn't much he can do about the project.

I think as long as the fans don't start adding their own characters and radically changing anything, it'll be fine.

Can you see it, /jp/? In the cold, heartless future where ZUN was assassinated for control of his creation, the Touhou series has gained an equal number of male characters as its female cast (and the female characters are all token weaklings who can't do anything), it's anime series has been licensed and dubbed in America, and kids are wearing Cirno shirts with their Naruto headbands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764945
Most likely he didn't write what he meant, and then people didn't read what he wrote. I'm guessing this is all just a series of stupid misunderstandings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764948
Sounds like the touhou game series and that's also not popular at a-oh wai

[Anonymous No.]

hahah, I knew that ZUN would fuck this up by resisting a clear signal to sell the fuck out, killing Touhou in the process

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764948
- It gets uploaded to Youtube/Nicovideo
- Newfags get a hold of it
- ???
- LOL CIRNO BAKA XD

[Anonymous !wM5G0xiB/Q No.]

I see a solution .. Make an official anime. If you cant stop it .. take control of it...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764958

I can't wait for the first post to say 'How many of you guys have played the games based on that Touhou anime? It's shit, right?'

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764957
But selling out would kill Touhou too. Really, there's no way to avoid the inevitable.

[Anonymous No.]

lol, in after a couple of idol seiyuu trying to get otaku street cred by endorsing a Touhou doujin project and ZUN getting pissed about it. Lovely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764956
OH GOD NO

[Anonymous No.]

> I think as long as the fans don't start adding their own characters and radically changing anything, it'll be fine.
wat, original characters is the essence of Touhou.

Furthermore, changing things is obviously fine.

[Klein !Klan7ih6Qs No.]

ZUN should just be like "welp, game over" ::sells franchise to SquareEnix::

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764958
Oh. Good thing we're already at that stage.

Really though, the animu is never going to gain a strong foothold in the Touhou doujin scene.

[Anonymous No.]

ZUN should just be the one who commercializes it
If he had control over what goes in, it should work out, right?

Like iamp and swr? He didnt make those but he oversaw it.

[Anonymous No.]

ZUN should sell all rights to some Korean chaebol and drink himself to death with the profits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764976

You know what that would mean?

Touhou MMO

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764968

I don't think that teh rie needs any more otaku street cred

>>1764964

selling out would at least give him some control over how it dies, and extra beer money. this way, it'll just die with drama and butthurt as ZUN realizes that nobody gives a shit about his games or SSiB or anything else that he does

[Klein !Klan7ih6Qs No.]

>>1764977
Would play. The world and races are already set up.

Joining Human - Marisa faction asap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764977
XxYukariNxXXx Level 4 Youkai

ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL!

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764977
Gensokyo's primary resource is now vespene gas.

Reimu vs. Zerg invaders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764956
NO

[Anonymous No.]

>sankakucomplex

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764963

There will be at least a few thousand of these troll posts within days of the release of the anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764977

fffffffffffffffffffff

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764977

[Anonymous No.]

If I was ZUN's personal advisor, I'd tell him that he has two choices:
-Watch his creation get destroyed by his own fans
or
-Sell out and buy beer

Seriously, even a monkey could do the right choice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764977

Enjoy your grindan' and Youkai exterminatin'.

[Anonymous No.]

Can we get touhou oldfag badges to prove that we liked it before the anime?

[Anonymous No.]

Well, you can see ZUN is as concerned about newfags as we are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764929

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I buy a Cirno shirt?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764995
Something like "I played the games before knowing the anime"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764995

I've liked it since I first played IN. ;_;

[Klein !Klan7ih6Qs No.]

What other random genre has a ton of classes and such.

Touhou RTS?

[Anonymous No.]

TOUHOU ACTION GAME DEVIL-MAY-CRY-STYLE ON THE PS3, STARRING SAKUYA

2010, LET'S GO

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764977

RAID FORMING FOR YUKA KAZAMI, PST FOR INVITES

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764968
Shocking, all this time I thought that those seiyuus were in it because they were dyed-in-the-wool hardcore shmuppers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764997

and as powerless to do anything about it as we are

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764994
ZUN doesn't need riches, only his pride and a barrel of beer a day.

It will be manly tears if he sinks his own franchise to prevent it from becoming something he doesn't want it to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764977
>>1764980

joining SDM fraction

[Remilia Scarlet !!0l42/w//XuF No.]

Replace this shirt with a Cirno shirt ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765008

9000 POLLEN RESISTANCE NEEDED FOR FIELD OF THE SUN

DON'T BOTHER WHISPER IF YOU DONT HAVE IT

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!mGXYMm0qKk/ No.]

While I love the games and that's my main reason for liking Touhou, I see no reason to shun people who became interested through other sources, be it doujins or anime. After all, who's to say all the good doujin music groups and fanartists (with much superior art) all play the games?

Also, I read that the all-star seiyuu cast is doing it for little or no money because they're fans. Sure, they may be trying to pick up a few more fans for themselves, but what's wrong with that? Honestly, famous seiyuu are people too. If they hold Touhou in high enough regards to work on a doujin anime of it, why complain about it? I think we should at least appreciate their contribution. In the end, it's still just a short doujin anime by Maikaze, whether it turns out to be good or not. The fact that it'll probably have superior voice acting should be a good thing; the anime is still a fan project mainly for the fans.

[Anonymous No.]

I have a confession. I do not play the games very much anymore, but I very much enjoy the official works such as SSiB, CiLR, and CoLA.

I am conflicted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764995
I'm not sure what I'd hate more, faggots who had never heard of it before the animu, or faggots who think they're special because they played the games before the animu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765012
At this point, I don't think he CAN sink the franchise, even if he tries.

[Anonymous No.]

Need tank and healer for Makai

Send tell with stats

[Anonymous No.]

> I don’t understand what he is being so uppity about. I’m interested in the Touhou world and characters, I’ve never been a huge fan of bullet hell type games, and by extension, the Touhou games sit on my external HD. Why exactly do I have to play a game I don’t particularly enjoy to get to the story I DO enjoy? Seems he’s a bit low on booze funds and is angry other circles are cashing in on his success.
OMFG FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF RAAAAAAGEEEEEEE xD

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765012

that's actually the right decision in this case...not the ZOMG RATIONAL ACTOR randroid one, but the MANLY ARTIST one

what would suck is if he goes the extra mile and kills himself

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765016
BR?

[None !KYON.wwv9s No.]

>>1765021
>because they're fans

More like because they want to appeal to the big mass of otaku who follows the series.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT we see the folly of spamming moe shit all day until even the stupidest dA fag feels like he has to get on the boat. Globally.

[Anonymous No.]

HEY GUILDIES WE'RE DOING A FLANDRE SCARLET RAID THIS FRIDAY, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE AT LEAST REVERED SDM FACTION TO GET IN THE DOOR! WE NEED LOTS OF HEALERS, MAKE SURE YOU ALL HAVE LOTS OF RES READY!

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

I usually just sage a sankaku thread but I really like the irony of that site posting this when they are the the epitome of the problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765005
Not a bad idea. But Japan doesn't make RTS games (other than Grim Grimoire?)

[Anonymous No.]

I have reason to believe that the animu won't become a second Voices of a Distant Star.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

ZUN = living, breathing, two-legged mindfuck.
He's the sort of guy with who you never really know if they're just another overworked alcoholic failure at life or if it's all JUST AS PLANNED the whole time.

Also, internet, nothing can be trusted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765012
I'm not sure, when it will get ruined either way, but one of the ways will provide him with more beer, is there really anything to be proud about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765005

FAIRY RUSH KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKE

[Anonymous No.]

I like how we're all complaining about the faggots that will join the boat, but then we have a roleplay topic on the first page of /jp/.

[None !KYON.wwv9s No.]

Also, whoever wrote that article, goddamn what a opinionated and uninformed idiot. I've seen his bias all over other articles too. No wonder their users are only a bunch of retards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765039

ZUN is the new Anno. In 10 years he'll be doing nothing aside from swimming in royalties and raping middle school girls

[Anonymous No.]

Google touhou and one of the following:
- fanfiction
- deviantart
- gaiaonline
- gamefaqs
- 4chan
- sankakucomplex
- youtube

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764985
>I don't think that teh rie needs any more otaku street cred

I don't think you realize how fickle the idol business is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765050
Easier: Google ``Touhou xD''

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765042
If you sell out, you can't cry manly tears into your drink. Beer is best served with righteous sorrows.

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly, ZUN is just being a dick. He doesn't deserve that much credit for the fucking huge doujin community that surrounds his works, and considering that they are doujin, he doesn't deserve the profit either. If he really wants to completely "own" touhou, he should be advancing the franchise himself by doing things such as negotiating for an animu series himself.

[Anonymous !wM5G0xiB/Q No.]

>>1765046
So can you translate that article from ZUN's blog and post it here? I would like to read your version...

[Anonymous No.]

So im not the only one that is not happy that there will be the touhou anime?I imagine how much will i fucking rage about fanboys.I'm raging now all time because of the doujinstyle community but now this will be lunatic mode...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765058
ZUN is not being a dick, he's just offering some opinions. Don't listen to the filthy Sankaku lies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765058
He wishes to give the Touhou artists freedom, but he doesn't want the roots to be forgotten underneath the mass of doujin material.

It's a manly internal conflict.

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>1765058

You sound like the sankaku article.

He's stating the obvious and saying that this is getting retarded. A couple of years late imo.

[Anonymous No.]

This is obviously the first step in his master plan to develop stringent copyright laws and screw over the true fans.

[Anonymous No.]

ZUN wants you to play the games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765062
>I'm raging now all time because of the doujinstyle community
More like /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

First, three-dimensional objects on the copyright on the day of the event.
Here, one of the organizers of the event, the rights of the applicants need a lot of inquiries whether, how and if I were consulted.
Those who apply and are not the best way to a mix of things and not in accordance with the rules of fashion events, I think it is cumbersome to apply for a copyright on the day I would like to ask.
In particular, such as double PINKISUTORITO If you have a copyright on there, without application to be a source of trouble.
However, unless the余程things, and do not reject the application, so as to apply only to the ceremony, without waiting for an answer now is OK to make. In addition, the system does not have a copyright on the day of the event (for example, or Living Festival, etc.), you usually secondary to the creation of the goods handled the same way is quite limited.


Secondly, companies for goods.
Recently, the company EASTERN creation of the secondary to make a lot of things.
In this regard, basically to report to the crown in advance, only available in limited distribution is like a permit.
Limited distribution and a coterie of stock sale, is a little shop and mail order. That is, of the original game will be only sold in the range handle that.
As for content, the freedom of each company.
Collectibles are now allowed to think out the policy in such a fashion.

In addition, the company's second circle is created, the coterie over the distribution of location (for example, bookstores and game stores, such as the general public) in handling the publicity that we would like before.

[HKAnon No.]

>>1765065
So it is fans-gone-too-far after all?

[Anonymous No.]

I don't care about fanboys/girls

I've been with Touhou longer than many of you

I am addicted and obsessed with it. I will enjoy the worst doujin, fanfic, crayon art, webcomic, pig shit as long as it has my favorite touhoes in it

I can't wait till Touhou becomes more commercialized

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765068 This is obviously the first step in his master plan to develop stringent copyright laws and screw over the true fans.
Oh ho, using a massive community founded on Japan's notoriously loose copyright laws to push for stricter fines and enforcement? Delicious.

[Anonymous No.]

There is one thing nobody has taken in consideration but which is probably very clear in ZUN's mind.
Doujin works are only tolerated by manga publishers and anime studio as lonas they remain more or less non-commercial.
ZUN is working for Taito a game publisher which among other things publishes shmups.
By law an employee has to give all the intellectual property he creates to its employer as long as it is related to its field of work and including if it's created out of working hours. The only exception is for intellectual property used i non-commercial ventures (hence the success of open source softwares). I believe that Japanese copyright laws follow this patern which is pretty much universal.
The consequence is that if Touhou were to become a full fledged commercial venture Taito could legitimately claim ownership of the IP.

[Anonymous No.]

>a class of Touhou fans who do not play the games

Sit down, ZUN, I have some bad news for you...

[Anonymous No.]

Thirdly, on the secondary market of Creation.
Recently, the secondary creations can be incorporated into commercial work less resistance. Creation of the recent change of style quickly, even on the east where the creative to secondary OK she does not have clear standards.
For example, to arrange songs on the CD I want a non-fan, you live and you want to play, basically and we express the source if the source is a problem.
As a motif stories parodies and also incorporate the work, especially not the problem.
But again, little work is in tune with the commercial distribution would be very undesirable, so basically does not allow.


Was discussed at a gallop, but say it like this.
Ｐ． P. Ｓ． S.
After editing, animation from the coterie of certain circles, what of personal contact with either.
In a game in the Eastern dare not rely on character, so to speak, a prominent voice actors are used to be mistaken for an official and worried, she said.

Certainly, if I basically create a coterie of問題無I, but they have bigger fuss about it as a circle of her as a bad thing.
In particular, the animation is playing the game and the main layer to layer is not so deluded and the OFFICIAL will be more likely to be a concern.
Like other secondary is also a creative,

[None !KYON.wwv9s No.]

>>1765060
The translation from ZUN's blog is somewhat accurate, what I cannot stand is his opinions all over the article, and that in the end the people that read it takes both facts and opinions as the truth. And he, whoever he is, is not really in a position to make such bold opinions when he doesn't even know all the girls names. But this is the internet, anyone can say what they want.

[Anonymous No.]

>I’m especially concerned about the prospect of fans who are mainly into the anime becoming a class of Touhou fans who do not play the games, as it seems highly likely this will result in it being mistaken as official

this. He makes those games because that's how he likes them, not because he has illusions of making popular characters. All the doujin stuff takes the attention away from the games, and while I guess he respects that he is troubled by the prospect of people liking "touhou" as something different from games. But in his original idea, touhou IS the games. Just games.

Imagine you invented the spork. It's awesome, and you created it because you disliked having to change between spoon and fork. Recently a group of people started putting your spork up their asses to great amusement of all. To each his own, I guess, but can someone blame you if you, who spent many a night thinking about how to unite spoon and fork, tell them "that's not how I wanted to be used, if you continue that way I'm troubled."?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765078
I don't think so, the anime won't be very popular after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765050

[Anonymous No.]

The funny thing is that at this point, ZUN himself is turning into just as much of a shallow LOL MEME XD blob with a random hat as his characters are. Just count the mentions of "beer" in this very thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765093
>All the doujin stuff takes the attention away from the games
Only at its extremes. Don't forget that ZUN himself endorses and is responsible for writing doujinshi and other material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765089
Are you suggesting he just post the information and leave it at that? What use is the internet if we can’t force our own uninformed, idiotic opinions onto people and hope they stick?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765101
ZUN was always an adorable alcoholic in a silly hat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765101
Thing is, the whole "beer" deal is actually justified, unlike most Touhou memes which only rely on a single doujin or some other outrageous claim. He talks about beer quite a bit and frequently mentions his love and obsession for the stuff.

[Klein !Klan7ih6Qs No.]

What is all of your main concerns with this happening, though? If I think about what I enjoy most about Touhou it's the games and the fan art. The only thing I would feel bad about is if ZUN stopped making games for whatever reason. If a shitty anime comes out then yes the touhou "community" gets a lot worse because of XD etc but as long as the other things continue then it isn't so bad, right?

I mean people like talking in /jp/ about touhou and it would suck if the conversation got a lot shittier, but it doesn't mean you can't enjoy the series and things related to it. I'm sure a lot of us watch enjoy anime without posting in /a/

[Anonymous !wM5G0xiB/Q No.]

>>1765084
>long as it is related to its field of work and including if it's created out of working hours
So this means that even if he created Touhou for fun .. it is property of his employee .. LOL WAT???

[Anonymous No.]

I only play the games. I don't read any doujins (other than the official ones), listen to any remixes, or have any pictures saved on my computer. I guess this doesn't apply to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765071
If you are aware of that general Japanese mindset of "be polite no matter what, commit suicide before doing anything that might be construed as a rash action", it's easy to see that anything he says regarding the matter of overexposure, no matter how tactful, basically boils down to "YOU FUCKING RETARDS, STOP DOING STUPID SHIT, ESPECIALLY YOU, ANIMU MAKERS" if translated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765105
It's not doujinshi any longer if it's published in a real magazine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765093
>Just games.
Except the stuff he's written?

[Anonymous No.]

This is what ZUN gets for encouraging a doujin community with absolutely no guidelines and borders. The doujin community surpassed the games themselves years ago; to see this one merely has to look at how much touhou is at comiket. ~30% of comiket is just touhou. If ZUN thinks he has (or should have) any real influence over such a monster, he's just delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765084
Riiight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764904

1). The unofficial Touhou animu is going to scare away ZUN's fanbase.
2). Then Touhou will finally die. /jp/ will become a visual novel board.
3). I shall use the tears of the touhoufags as lubrication for whenever I feel the need to masturbate.

You heard it here first. Once the fan-made Touhou animu comes out it will kill the franchise.

This whole time, Touhou has been a competition. But now that the high profile Touhou animu project has come out it cant be topped. A lame 3 minute flash and/or 2D doijin game cant compete against a full fledged animu. The e-penis, circlejerk, competition is finally over. Whoever the hell is creating that animu is the victor.

[None !KYON.wwv9s No.]

>>1765113
You are right. Sometimes I forget it is not a news website, even though people insist on posting "articles" here as if they were such.

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

Just a reminder that the person who is pretending to speak with authority in that article also writes crap like this.

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/08/20/hakurei-kagamu/

[Anonymous No.]

You all apparently constructed too many pylons.

I'm inwardly laughing my ass off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765125
Except people are going to say "this animu sucks" and go back to watching Walfas shorts, so yeah!

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765084
Just so you know, this is inaccurate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765109

yeah, ZUN's blog is about beer 99% of the time. honestly, he should just sell out and use the proceeds to become a craft brewer. he'd probably be really good at it with some inventive ideas, like Kiuchi (makers of Hitachino Nest line)

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765119
But it's still aimed at fans of the games. A whole anime is quite a different thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765125
>full fledged animu

1 episode counts as a full animu?

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>1765084

You are utterly clueless on how IP law works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764904
slowpoke.jpg on the TL of ZUN's blog.

On a more serious note, I agree with parts of what ZUN mentioned.

The main problem I have with Maikaze's project is that it looks too official. ZUN is not actively participating in this, and given the seiyuu participating in it, and one of the few or only Touhou anime projects, it has a lot of weight... potentially more than those IOSYS flashes, since Touhou would be conveyed in such a medium for the first time.

Either way, as long as it doesn't get aired on TV or anything, there shouldn't be much significant problems...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765120
Riiiight. And you visit /jp/ for the constant discussion on how to get a highscore, not for the latest gossip on Yukkuri or which hat likes to eat out which other hat or anything, amirite?

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

Some like both Touhou and VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765147
Well, he could be here for the VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764956
Shitty dubs.
Violet Yakumo

[Anonymous No.]

ITT we all get our panties in a bunch over nothing

The anime will come out, it will be shit, it will be forgotten in a month, and nothing will change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765140
>>1765142
It's not necessarily accurate. Some employment contracts actually do specify this.

Taito does not, however, so the post is at least ill-informed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765144
It does for porn OVAs. Which will happen before long if this goes on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765147
I'm only here to mention Cave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765081
Imagine sheer volume of rage and sadness that those true fans would feel should such a event occur. And he would be at the center of it all, drawing the vast quantities of spirit energy so as to summon and bind a god from beyond the stars, one powerful enough to control all fate. Yes, he would make his own official world a reality by removing all traces of this corrupt and twisted world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765084

there is no law, anywhere, that states that what an employee creates on company time is property of the company. many employment contracts have that clause, although that is much more common in the US than anywhere else. that's besides the point, as the Touhou games are done in ZUN's spare time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765147
Some threads like those are amusing but I don't actively pursue any of the non official material. It's not that I have some superiority thing for official shit, it's just that I'm not interested in the other stuff and I have other things that I'd like to do instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765161
Would ZUN be more or less butthurt if this were a hentai anime? (Assuming same voice actors, production values, etc)

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765130
None of us care. Everybody hates sankaku, we're just using it since it's the first place that reported the news. HURR YOU AGREE WITH SANKAKUCOMPLEX SO UR WRONG DURR is a shitty argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765084

Ha ha ha .... No.

[HKAnon No.]

>>1765111
Legislation is not considerate for everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>http://kourindou.exblog.jp/9178184/

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765161
As long as it was yuri (or futa, at least), this would actually be awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765178
Is English not your first language?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765186
No.

[Anonymous No.]

Take this to /a/ where it belongs.

That's right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765168

so if ZUN gets his way I can be a cute girl in a frilly dress and a silly hat?

[Anonymous No.]

I kind of hate artifact now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765161
90% have at least two episodes, and they are most of the time OVA-length, i.e. 30 minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765178

Yes BUT its completely idiot to say the company OWNS you ... using that logic if I help someone moving their furniture outside my work hours the company I work can slap that someone with a bill.

Also it would mean if I write a novel in my spare time the company I work for suddenly owns the manuscript.

And yes, there are laws ... if I work in a company and then use their trade secrets for my own use that is covered by law but its only on specific cases ... in case you have not heard, feudalism and slavery is over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765191
Yes. Provided that you are a believer of the one official path.

Everybody else goes kablooey.

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>1765176

No it's a pretty good argument because sankaku writer(s) know shit all. I would literally regard someone's opinions less if they agree with an sankaku opinion article, and this is back up by what I just linked.

Sankaku hasn't been hated enough yet because people still think it's ok to link to it.

>>1765159

Those contracts are not IP law, nor what he appears to be referring to (The Berne Convention).

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765111

No, it isn't.

It is extremely rare for an employment contract to own what you create when not on company time, even if it's in the same vein as what you do for them as your job.

The only time conflicts generally happen are when someone creates something on their own time but is suspected of having invented a significant portion of it on company time--this is rarely the case for creative works, and usually occurs in cases where a patentable device/product has been developed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765169
Sorry but this really is the law in the US and most of the world (specifically WTO members).

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765206
The post at ZUN's blog does have something in common with sankaku's article.
I don't care if a blog, newspaper or whatever it is sucks, as long as the information it gives is true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765212
> It is extremely rare for an employment contract to own what you create when not on company time, even if it's in the same vein as what you do for them as your job.
I'd say 90% of all programming jobs in the US have that clause in the employment contracts.

[HKAnon No.]

>>1765187
No. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

DERP HERP THIS ANIMU WILL KILL TOUHOU
And then, after C75 is over and the world hasn't ended yet, everyone will say "TOLD YOU SOME SHITTY ANIME WOULDN'T MAKE DIFFERENCE"

Of course this won't kill the community overnight (at this point, it is highly debatable whether it is actually killable, no matter what anyone does), but ZUN actually stepping up and saying "stop it you guys seriously" is an indication that something huge is going on. For starters, it tells us that he actually cares about what anyone does with the series (understandable) and that he really intends to keep it underground (for which he is like 4 years too late).

tl;dr as someone else said, see Anno ca. 1997, except Touhou is as shallow as a puddle to begin with and nobody pretends otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765223

As a programmer who's seen quite a few employment contracts and has made a few patentable inventions on and off company time, I can confidently say I have never seen such a clause.

Now, in some cases, there are *non-compete clauses* that can have similar effects by simply declaring any work you to on the side to be "competition." However, at least in California, those are explicitly illegal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765223

If that were true, it would be illegal for a programmer to work on an open source software project in his free time because he would not own the copyright to his own code.

PROTIP: You're wrong.

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>1765218

Fair enough but I thought I made it obvious that I am not referring to what ZUN had wrote, rather the opinionated monologue that the writer added.

This article was only posted little more then a hour ago and I have been linked to it 3 times already in 3 seperate places. Who are these people who seem to have this site as their homepage or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765223

No, they typically have a clause that says that work you do on company time, with company equipment, is owned by the company. It's rarely invoked to take copyright away from employees who create stuff in their spare time, although it has been done, and in some cases, was effectively legal bullying.

Also, employment laws in the US are heavily biased towards corporations, because the country is a corrupt shithole. That's why they can get away with horrible clauses in employment contracts.

[Anonymous No.]

Copyright Legality / General

[Anonymous No.]

Personally I completely agree with Zun. He created Touhou and he should have the final say in what people do with his works. Certainly it's true that fans have added alot to the world of Touhou, but they're still his characters and his games should always come first.

[Anonymous No.]

I hate sankaku complex for portraying Japan as LOL SO RANDUM XD JPN PPL R SO HENTAI and having people actually eat it up.

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>>1765247
>they're still his characters

ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765243
Probably some Sankaku employee spreaing the AIDS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765253
To be fair, that was the general perception long before they came around...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765258
Not to mention reading /jp/ would not leave a different impression at all. Sankaku just has less self-loathing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764972
god no oh god no they would ruin the shit out of it by faging it up and making you fight angels with belts see picture

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765247
Except they haven't come first for a couple of years now.

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>>1765256
Fuck off you faggot. Zun actually makes things that are worth a damn. That DA stereotype you're invoking only has to do with 14 year olds who make shitty drawings of retarded characters and couldn't ever dream of making anything worthwhile. You can't just take somebody's creations and use it however the hell you want without repercussion. In Japan that seems to be tolerated for the most part, but with Zun's works it's getting to such a massive extent that he really does need to lay down some guidelines.

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>>1765268
That perception is entirely the problem, and it's something that Zun should have addressed earlier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765247

Obviously. ZUN's character designs tend to be really neat and unique, even though he can't draw for shit. Having new characters designed by anyone else would be awful, which is why he should not sell out. Even though he could create another universe, it would not be the same, and would suffer for it. While the creations that other people make based on his work are often great, he is the heart of it, and so his wishes should be absolutely followed.

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>>1765269
True, but the kicker is: What will (or even can) ZUN do if people don't respect his guidelines?

[Anonymous No.]

Anger Zun and he'll take his hat off. You don't want to see him with his hat off.

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>1765244

That is stealing company resources and is a sackable offense in any workplace. It is also something that is punishable by law.

You know because stealing is illegal. That is not a violation of copyright law.

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>1765275

Withdrawl from the doujin scene. It's a labor of love and if they kill the love for him this isn't a problem to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765125 2). Then Touhou will finally die. /jp/ will become a visual novel board.
But visual novels are video games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765258
Well, sankaku is the first website I've seen that is totally based around that idea.

>>1765264
The thing is, /jp/ hates Japan. The fags on sankaku worship Japan for supposedly being a lawless land of animu and sexual crime.

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>>1765269
The problem is that the doujin community that has sprung up has not only been allowed by him, but also encouraged. Usually you'd be right, but the moment touhou became more about the doujin community than the games, he gave up the rights to any of it.

[Adjutant‮TACELBAT‪‪‪‬‪‬ !FUX4cHAN.6 No.]

I agree with ZUN one hundred percent. I've always understood the way he wanted his creation to go and I see nothing wrong with it. I think this is the way old guard fans feel about the whole situation as well.

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>>1765269

"Sarchasm": the gap between the joke and you.

[Alice Margatroid !DoLLFaGERs No.]

Really, if any fanwork becomes popular in the public eye, one would assume they'd look for the source. I don't really think his concerns are applicable, especially seeing as he could badger for royalties if it actually becomes a commercial success.

Touhou already has already met most of its fanbase and I highly doubt very many people would be swayed by a single 20-minute episode that may not even be any good. Its ZUN's decision though, and simply posting here won't change that at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765256
>Kaguya
>ORIGINAL CHARACTER

Hurrdurr.jpg

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>>1765277

Name one case in which someone who has created original IP using a company's equipment has been punished under criminal code. Theft of company assets is restricted to physical assets and IP that is assigned to the company, not to use of time and equipment. That is why some employment contracts say that IP created on company time is automatically assigned to the company, but many companies are much more lenient about that sort of thing.

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>>1765223
I work in "the biz" and I can tell you any games company with that line in the contract will not be hiring anyone decent. In work hours is common, but the media outrage of stealing someones IP would be so giant I doubt any publisher would have the guts.

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>>1765291
I highly, HIGHLY doubt he ever wanted the doujin community to overtake his games. Probably he didn't know what to do about it once it had happened. To say that he gave up his rights to his own creation that he puts his heart and soul into is just fucking stupid. No matter what, Touhou is his creation and as far as I'm concerned alot of the doujin artists have been stepping over the line with their works. Zun knows this and that's why he's speaking out against it now.

[Anonymous No.]

LFM Hakugyokurou Heroic need 2healers/1CC

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>1765313

I don't get it, don't you believe that you might get sacked if you use company time to make your own product, or that you might get charged with theft if you steal company resources doing it?

This has nothing to do with IP anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765306
>one would assume they'd look for the source.

And they'd find out that the source hardly has anything to do with the things that made them interested in the whole thing in the first place. Face it, at this point the games are merely, well... well-made doujin games to a fandom universe that has most of its content originated elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765318

He's probably been struggling with this problem for a long time, but the OVA forced him to finally make a statement. I have high hopes that the fanbase will respond positively.

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>1765306

You would assume that but the problem is that they don't look for the source.

fig.1: The bulk of the western anime fanbase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765318
If so, he's about four years late. I never said that he actually wanted to give up the rights to his characters; I'm merely saying that's what happened when he allowed the doujin community overtake his games. Whether he intended to or not, Touhou is now a completed decentralized franchise in which his opinion only matters so much, and it is all because HE allowed it, whether or not he intended the consequences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765338

The Touhou universe has a lot more canon material than just the games.

[Anonymous No.]

> Touhou anime
mup da doo didda po mo gub bidda be dat tum muhfugen bix nood cof bin dub ho muhfugga

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765347
And now he's taking action against it. What's your fucking point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765350
Said canon material is, for the most part, just codifying stuff that has been fanon before. As for the actual plot, nobody gives a shit, especially since even a random futa H doujn has better plot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765285
Protip: If ZUN withdraws from the scene, this will have next to no impact on the phenomenon itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765256
You're doing it wrong.
ORIGINAL CHARACTER DONOT STEAL applies when a person takes a character, changes their color or adds a tail or something, changes the name to something like "Emerald Saphire" and then acts as if anyone gives two shits.

Meanwhile, ZUN actually created these characters. They are in fact his original creations. Would you call ORIGINAL CHARACTER DONOT STEAL on any other character created for a medium in a truely original sense? Fuck no.

tl;dr You are a faggot and you're doing it wrong.

[Aoko Aozaki !WU0xSUGOI6 No.]

>>1765377

That's not the point of a withdrawl.

[Alice Margatroid !DoLLFaGERs No.]

>>1765338

Fan works have been the main event for some time now, with ZUN simply pushing out new characters and music. At this stage its hard to find established personalities for most of the characters, due to the convoluted nature of the fans, and by extension their works. It'd be difficult to actually add depth to the characters in a proper Touhou title, I think that this is the root of ZUN's problem. If there were more developed personalities for the characters fanworks exploring possible ones wouldn't have to exist.

The canonical comics and the two books that have been released do make a move to fix this, however the characters can't personally reach out in these circumstances, well in the case of the books, certainly due to them simply being recounts from either Akyu or Aya.

>>1765344

Its a shame that communities have devolved into simply thinking IOSYS is a group who creates original tracks, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765377
I actually thought about that earlier today. My conclusion was that the Touhou scene would fade away; sure, it wouldn't drop dead just like that, and even then it'd continue, but there's only that many ways you can make a remix of a song.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765362
My point is that his opinion on the matter has been already marginalized due to his own decisions. He's not "taking action against it" because there's no action he can really take. Well, besides whining, which he is doing here. "Commercializing"? Groups like IOSYS have been doing that for years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765377
It'd be kind of lame to hear the fifth rearrange of the same song by the same group, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765382
>It'd be difficult to actually add depth to the characters in a proper Touhou title, I think that this is the root of ZUN's problem. If there were more developed personalities for the characters fanworks exploring possible ones wouldn't have to exist.

Yes, the thing that makes Touhou a runaway success to begin with (them basically being a free-for-all make your own moeblob kit, with anyone able to make a story out of these barely defined characters while still adhering to some known framework) is also the thing that bites ZUN in the ass now, because of course he now doesn't get to do it himself, and it's be really jarring if he suddenly started doing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765392
But that's a bad point and you should feel bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765392
Your point is retarded. Just because he may have waited a little long to take action against the fan community doesn't give the fans the right do whatever the hell they want. They're still his games and his characters, nothing else can change that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765455

"Characters" is a bit of a stretch. They're just stupid little girls in silly little hats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765513
even if they weren't characters, they're still his designs

[Anonymous No.]

What's the autosage limit?