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This thread is for the discussion of untranslated Japanese visual novels.

What have you finished? What are you playing? What are you looking forward to? You know the drill.

>> No.17638525

>>17636076
If you looked back, the first trailer of Heart didn't showcase any air move either. IIRC they started showing air combos around the third trailer. Besides, devs usually don't play their own games as well as hardcore players do, and that has been proved since Sky and Heart. Right now it's still too early to judge it.

>> No.17638588 [SPOILER] 
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I really liked the art in Golden Hour. I wouldn't call it more realistic per se, but the bright colors are definitely toned down compared to the bright & flashy art style you normally see. After seeing hot pink and platinum blonde heroines side by side nearly every game, seeing the comparably muted hair colors in GH was a breath of fresh air.

I think the art was especially strong during the H scenes. Not only was the PoV a little bit different than normal, but I really liked how the artist gave almost every H scene that "dim room" look. Most people don't have sex with a spotlight on them, which is understandable in a VN so you can actually see the action, but I think most studios go too far. Golden Hour strikes a nice balance between brightness and realism.

>> No.17638594

>>17638588
Nice thighs.

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>>17638588
Compare that to say, something like this pic from Ginharu. They are having sex at night, but the lighting looks like its daytime. And their skin looks flat like they are Ken and Barbie.

I honestly wished more studios followed More/Nico's example and paid more attention to the lighting when it came to H. Done badly and it is really noticeable imo, but I guess most otaku probably don't care do they?

>> No.17638726

>>17638612
yeah, not to mention that protag looks like a fucking wimp. needs to eat a burger or something, holy shit. how the hell are the girls able to fall for a guy like him? pretty unrealistic.

>> No.17638729

>>17638726
It's tone work's. Their girls have, without fail, always fallen in love with terribly boring and terribly girly protagonists.

>> No.17638737

>>17638726
>needs to eat a burger or something
America please go
>>17638729
More like a good half or more of moege heroines
(incidentally, the protag of Hoshi Ori is pretty buff and his dreams of being an architect aren't boring at all, unless you demand everyone to be like into sports and shit to not be boring)

>> No.17638758

Do you guys ever play more than one game at once? I'm reading a pretty shitty route in an otherwise good game and it's really burning me out. What do you guys do in this scenario?

>> No.17638784

>>17638758
either skip the route or play another vn to get your mind off of it. i typically only play multiple vns when they don't overlap genres or one has gameplay. i don't think i could stomach playing two moege simultaneously unless it was purely for faps.

>> No.17638792

>>17638758
Hold down the text speed up button

>> No.17638804

>>17638729
>It's tone work's. Their girls have, without fail, always fallen in love with terribly boring and terribly girly protagonists.
None of that shit matters in the slightest in regards to the art.

>> No.17638805

>>17638804
Sure it does. He looks very girly.

>> No.17638826

>>17638805
What about his feminine penis?

>> No.17638877

I just realized this, but Purple Software released アオイトリ's op.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PcR8FcYEFw4

Its pretty good as always, I just hope this game won't have just a one good main route. The second demo in October will decide if I am going to play it.

>> No.17638911

>>17638877
If it doesn't have at least 3 H-scenes within the first 5 minutes I'll riot

>> No.17638923

>>17638588
Seconding that, the porn was pretty damn good in a lot of ways, lighting being a major and un-used one.

Another one is debatable and personal opinion of course, but the MC doesn't sit there like a mute log while the girl describes things at him, there's a lot of proactive give-and-take to the narration. For me, two people wanting each other is way hotter than the usual "pretend he doesn't exist until the obligatory two-line 'uhnnn cominggg' at the end".

>> No.17638939

>>17638877
Looks gorgeous. If it wasn't for Akari getting the "Hotaru shot" at the end I'd think Mary was the main heroine.

>> No.17638965

>>17638588
Are the scenes fappable though? Or should I read them for heart enjoyment?

>> No.17639078

>>17638965
Both? There's a lot of drama going on but that kinda makes it better. Probably not the best idea if you just want to crank one out, however.

>> No.17639198
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Man, Oretsuba is really incredible. The game has a way of really pulling you into the game from the start. The narration is fun to read and all the dialogue really brings life to the characters in a way that feels different from other games. I imagine it only gets better as it goes on, it's great when a kamige manages to live up to the hype.

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>>17638588
>Faceless mc
After a while you feel kinda bad they get shafted so some otaku watching them have sex has better fap fodder.

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>>17639244

>> No.17639247

>>17639244
We'll all turn into faceless fat old men someday, anon.

>> No.17639251

>>17638726
>t. American

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>>17639244
? He's got a face like 90% of the time. Pretty カッコイイ too.

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>>17639261
After a while you feel kinda bad they get shafted so some otaku watching them have sex has better fap fodder.
>sex
I meant sex scenes

>> No.17639269

>>17639264
Fuck, ignore my picture.

>> No.17639279

>>17639264
Ah, fair enough. Guess we can't have the readers accidentally look at the wrong person when coming and then come down with the gays.

>> No.17639288

>>17638588
I like the art from the CG but... how is the romance? Is it "girls thrown on mah dick" or is there an actual love story? Or does it focus on the characters likeness without any semblance of story?

>> No.17639295

What are some moege where the protagonist is /fit/ as hell so it's obvious why all the girls fawn over him in the first place?

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>>17639295
Literally the plot to Imouto Yabai
too bad the characters are so shallow it doesn't really matter if they have an "excuse"
to fall in love with him

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>>17639300
yeah but he shits the bed on every aspect of life so even with magic bullshit it's impossible to take their attraction seriously

>> No.17639316

>>17639295
Amatsutsumi

>> No.17639317

>>17639295
恋がさくころ桜どき MC is extremely popular in the school because he is ikemen as fuck.

>> No.17639320
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>>17639295
Tonakoi

>> No.17639322

>>17639288
It's a pretty good coming of age-romance-character-drama type deal. A bit more, I wanna say "realistic", but I know how well that word goes over here. I haven't done the plot routes yet though so maybe it falls through there, but it's definitely got an actual love story.

>> No.17639333

巨乳ファンタジー 3 IF site finally updated the character list, several gods will actually show up.

And it's delayed to November, fuck.

>> No.17639382

Anybody have the no dvd patch for
お家に帰るまでがましまろです
I reinstalled windows and now it wants the disc again.

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Good to see one of these scenes play out in a sane way for once.

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>>17639300
MC looks like Slaine in that

>>17639320
I was deeply upset you couldn't bang your sister in Tonakoi. Also that blonde girl had that sweet leglock scene though. Story was shite but good faps.

>> No.17639563

>>17639499
>gomennasaigomennasaigomennasai
I fucking hated Sasa. By the time she got better I had already stopped caring.

>> No.17639570
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done with Ruri, top tier cutie patootie
made me very happy indeed that she kept her fun and genki personality for almost the entire thing, and even the route itself wasn't half bad. and good lord, those h-scenes

may or may not have awakened something dark and terrible in me watching that asshole get cucked, publicly humiliated, then double humiliated by two cripples and a girl, holy shit that felt gooood

guess I'll try and go for best girl Risa, which I'm assuming is like a bad end spinoff of Suzu's route?

not really looking forward to Natsumi to be honest, nothing about her appeals to me at all. maybe she gets better. I'd rather have a bro route instead, bro character is a legit good friend through and through.

>> No.17639571

>>17639563
I liked her thighs so I that slide.

>> No.17639572

>>17639570
Ruri best girl

>> No.17639577

>>17639570
How long does it take until she dumps the asshole? Kind of curious how that plays out.

>> No.17639584

>>17639544
CHIKUBI
CHIKUBI

>> No.17639601

>>17639572
and I agree her H scenes were the best. Although one of Natsumi's scenes was reallly good too, iirc the second one. The one where she's laying on the bed on her stomach. It's such a rare and underutilized position in eroge. YMMV though.

can see it here if you are curious: exhentai.org/s/1f34e9f5f0/1093348-282

>> No.17639603

>>17639577
If I answer that it's gonna be out of context spoilers, just so you know. be advised, etc.

They go on "break" after MC and her have sex for the first time, but they're still technically "dating" for a week or so before things inevitably get complicated and then it ends. It's pretty fucking tame overall as far as girlfriend-stealing goes, if that's what you're wondering.

>> No.17639619

>>17639603
Weird, so does that mean she keeps dating him in other routes? I assumed it was going to be a common route event.

>> No.17639630

>>17639619
the scene where he's revealed to be an asshole in front of the whole school happens both in her and the common route with slight differences

>> No.17639631

>>17639619
I actually don't know and am kind of worried by this. I'm assuming they'll break up anyway since the guy's a cunt and most characters involved know he's a cunt. I'd thought the same, but it ends up being a lot more messy. Which was more interesting for me. And kinda hot.

>> No.17639642

>>17639630
huh, then I guess it was good I did her route first.

>> No.17639672

>>17639382
If I recall correctly for Mashimaro you just have to insert/mount the disc and start the game once, then after that you won't have to check for DVD anymore.

>> No.17639683

>>17639672
That's my problem I reinstalled windows, so it asks again.

>> No.17639685

>>17639683
can't you just remount the iso?

>> No.17639688

>>17639685
I thought I didn't need it so I got rid of it before reinstalling windows.

I was wondering if there is a non dvd patch or something.

>> No.17639691

>>17639688
might just have to reacquire it then. sucks but at least it's well seeded.

>> No.17639738

>>17639570
Do you have to finish all the routes to get to Yuki route?

>> No.17639762

>>17639738
no, but it's highly reccommended to do Natsumi first

>> No.17639833

>>17638588
I really like how they often used angles to hide parts that would otherwise have to be censored.

>> No.17639929

>>17639571
same so I held control through her route and fapped hard to her H.

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>>17639929
That one scene where they are doing the mating press (or was it tominagi) was one of the best H scenes of Mashimaro imo.

>> No.17640057

>>17639929

Should've done it the other way around. It actually has some of the very little funny stuff of the game in it.
Though yeah, I can't tell you either why Sasa made such a major "change". It's most likely just that she never had screentime and they reduced her to one trait because of that... or something. Well, shitty writing and whatnot. Not like Marshmallow was good, so it's in line I guess?

But damn, it's really a VN where ctrl is your best friend. Pretty amazing and sad at the same time. Don't like drama in common? Skip the whole arc, you won't ever feel like you skipped anything. Don't want the way too long ero? Skip it. Only ero? Skip the rest, not like you'll miss much. Part of it is somewhat usual for eroge, but I feel it's both way more needed and with less issues in this one than what you normal have.

>> No.17640066

Flowers Fuyu-hen is out

>> No.17640131

>>17638911
Only 2, I guess this game isn't for you.

>> No.17640568

>>17639198
The only weak parts of Oretsuba are the individual character routes. They're pretty short and only serve to give a little closure to each one of the main characters. The common route and true route are absolutely amazing. 10/10, if I had to pick a favorite eroge I'd probably pick Oretsuba.

>> No.17640586

>>17640568
I heard the Misaki route in the PS3 version is extremely good and serves as a fitting finale to Oretsuba.

Has anyone tried emulating it with RPCS3 yet? That thing made a lot of progress in the last while.

>> No.17640622

>>17640586
>is extremely good and serves as a fitting finale to Oretsuba.
They were lying to you, poor Misaki too, it's not even her route.

>> No.17640712

>>17640622
>it's not even her route
I heard that. Sounds like a good thing rather than a bad thing though.

>> No.17641186

sukebei is down but regular nyaa is up?
Or is it just me?

>> No.17641267

>>17641186
It's a sign.
Repent and change your ways right now.
Only proper all ages VNs from now on.

>> No.17641286

>>17641186
On .si yes. There is a notice saying they are doing maintenance.
Pantsu works fine

>> No.17641472

Any recommendation of good eroge where things start small but get really epic by the end?

>> No.17641485

>>17641472
Weird request. Eustia?

>> No.17641586

>>17641485
Haven't read it yet, thanks.

>> No.17641600

>>17641472
Dies irae

>> No.17641681

>>17641472

Supreme Candy. From a candy to Gods, wars all over the universe and time and other silly things. You even get a nice scythe. Some call it a used scythe, but that's mean.

>> No.17641687

Anyone ever play Vjedogonia?

>> No.17641749

What is the cringiest エロゲ?

>> No.17641762

>>17641749
umineko

>> No.17641781

>>17641762
Okay moogy

>> No.17641782

>>17641286
Are tors seeded for old VNs nowadays? Been out of the loop and improving my Japanese but after searching few games I wanted to play all have zero seeders or can't be found in search. Maybe I should have dled when I had the chance..

>> No.17641801

>>17641781
Moogy is a complete retard, but even a broken clock is right twice a day and Umineko is pretty bad. It's the fun kind of bad with the PS3 version, at least. I cannot deny the exhilarating voicework that went into it.

>> No.17641806

>>17641801
the best is playing the doujin version of the first half where you don't reaallly need the voicing to enjoy it, then switching to the ps3 version for the second half

>> No.17641827

>>17641801
The writing is pretty bad but the scenario is quite good in my opinion. But I can definitely see how polarizing it can be. The soundtrack is definitely one of the best I've ever heard. I can certainly understand people saying it isn't their cup of tea but I will never understand people calling it horrible.

>> No.17641833

>>17641827
There are aspects of Umineko that are objectively good, but the story as a whole insults the intelligence of the reader on so many different levels and for such a long period of time that it's completely indefensible.

>> No.17641840

>>17641833
I hate it with a passion now, but I do remember that, before Episode 7, theorycrafting on 4chan during the releases was one of the funnest times I had and actually got me to learn Japanese. Love can turn into hate very easily, I guess.

>> No.17641843

>>17641472
Muv-Luv is the poster child of this kind of idea.

>> No.17641844

>>17641840
I hope you realized that a lot of the red text was factually mistranslated when you started learning Japanese.

>> No.17641858

>>17641833
How do you figure? It's perhaps the only work in this medium I've read that actually makes you think. Some facets of the mystery are obvious and shoved in your face a million times, but others are pretty brilliant honestly. If it insulted your intelligence so greatly, I'll go out on a limb and assume you had the epitaph nailed down a few episodes in?

>> No.17641860

>>17641844
I never re-read it, nor will I. I don't want to go through the butthurt ever again.

>> No.17641866

>>17641860
At the very least you should look up the red text in English and Japanese and compare it so you can feel more justified in your butthurt.

>> No.17641878

>>17641858
Read any critical review of it written by someone who's read a significant diversity and volume of media.

>> No.17641882

>>17641878
Do those even exist? Not him by the way.

>> No.17641884

>>17641878
Oooh we've got some butthurt here. Nice call to authority.

>> No.17641885

>>17641882
Yeah.

>> No.17641888

>>17641884
This isn't a debate, dude. I'm busy.

>> No.17641889

>>17641882
>Do those even exist
not in the visual novel fanbase, most of our "critical" reviewers are total pseuds

>> No.17641892

>>17641889
on the contrary actual critical analysis only comes out of the pseuds

the critical analysis you see in mainstream media is just boilerplate checklist breakdowns

>> No.17641893

>>17641882
It's currently unknown.
>>17641885
Prove it.

>> No.17641896

>>17641885
i suppose i should have expected that answer.

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>>17641893

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>>17641898
Whoops, my bad, it should be this.

>> No.17641901

>>17641888
Not to busy to start shit on a thread for porn games, I see.

>> No.17641905

>>17641888
Sorry but I just have always found the vigorous umineko anti circlejerk pretty interesting. I didn't think the game was the best thing ever or anything, it had its failings. That being said, it did many things right and if anything can be praised for a top tier soundtrack, some good characters, and some very high ambitions that I wish even 5% of eroge coming out these days had.

>> No.17641907

>>17641892
yeah, i've probably read better reviews from random idiots on 4chan than i have in my entire time scouring through media

>> No.17641908

>>17641905
Yes, it has a lot of objectively good aspects. I'm just so butthurt about the writing that I can't see it as anything but a disgrace.

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>> No.17641931

>>17641908
I guess this is exactly what I can't understand. Yeah, the writing was easily the worst part of the game. But everyone that's part of the anti circle jerk is seemingly never able to just be like "Yeah I didn't like the game." They always seem to despise it or loath it.

Games come out all the time with horrible writing but other aspects that are well done and you won't see many people despising them. I just can't see this as anything but another classic case of "something I don't like is popular so I have to shit on it whenever I get the chance."

>> No.17641938

>>17641931
People tend to hate things that feel like they waste their time and energy. Get over it.

>> No.17641942

>>17641938
So like 95% of eroge?

>> No.17641948

>>17641942
Exactly. There's a reason a certain translator feels cheated whenever he reads yuzusoft games.

>> No.17641962

>>17641749

Take a shitty chuuni game and you are good. As in, most chuuni games really. But especially the mid budget ones, where zero research goes into the various references to whatever shit they try to reference with their crappy tech name calling and whatnot.

>> No.17641973

>>17641948
>a certain translator
Cool. Wanna discuss some English translations by the way?

>> No.17641982

>>17641973
>Wanna discuss some English translations by the way?
I want to retranslate Fate/Stay Night so that I can talk to plebs about it without having different versions of the story in our heads, but I'm currently in the "good reading comprehension, but not good enough to reproduce semantics reliably" Japanese skill level, so any translation I make would only be significantly different from the existing one in terms of readability, whether it's better or worse. That's increasingly off-topic, though.

>> No.17641983

>>17641905
I think Umineko is a very flawed game, but I think I enjoyed it in the end. It's one of those games where you kind of have to think about it for a while to really enjoy it, which is probably why it ended up getting hated a lot. For what it's worth, I really loved the meta-aspect of it with the ending, I thought it was damn brilliant, because you could go back through the entire story and it was like you were reading a different story when you had the ending in mind. It added a completely new layer of depth to the entire story. I have 0% doubt in my mind that R07 had the ending in mind when he started writing the game. I have a hard-on for rereadable shit like that.

>> No.17641984

Newfag here, any reason why Chiitrans sometimes doesn't return lines/omits characters?

(I don't have ATLAS as I'm using it for furigana)

>> No.17641986

>>17641982
I'm actually a well known translator myself.

>> No.17641988

>>17641984
Use something like Spark Reader with ITHVNR instead.

>> No.17641995

>>17641986
Cool. I don't know what kind of significance that has, I'm friends with a lot of translators for some reason.

>> No.17642006

>>17641983
Yeah that has to be my favorite thing about it. With no other work have I randomly thought about it months after reading only for me to have some epiphany that left me viewing parts of the story in a new light.

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>no route where you embrace your own inherent shittiness and fall into depravity together with Risa
>you drop out of school together after getting caught bending her over the principal's desk in a legendary example of in flagrante delicto
>you become her producer and help her rise to model stardom while using every dirty trick in the book to disgrace her competition
>the tabloids catch wind of your filthy cocaine-fueled hatesex binges and try to smear you but her popularity is just too good it only makes her more famous
>the two of you OD together in a VIP hotel suite so ruined and covered in bodily fluids the staff simply chose to burn everything down instead of clean it; the place later becoming world-famous and subject to half a dozen schlockumentaries on your mesmerizing scumbaggery

Instead we get a quick hatefuck and kicked back to the menu. Fucking 10/10 wasted potential, will write a sternly worded letter to the writers.

>> No.17642048

>>17641988
Thanks anon, works much better

>> No.17642057

>>17641782
I find that anything made before 2010 is almost never seeded. Though you can get lucky or just wait for weeks by which point your enthusiasm for the game will be gone.
One solution is to find a direct download usually from a chinese site. Recommend playing on a VM for those.
If you ask nicely here then some anon may upload the game for you.

>> No.17642172

>>17635546
>Looks like Aperia was quite the big hit

Nope, actually its quite opposite. According to TG調べ list it sold only 268 points and its 13th best seller of the july, literally less than many random nukiges which got released at the same month with it.

>> No.17642287

>>17642172
Those numbers seem pretty suspect, I wouldn't put much trust in them personally. It also seems like the kind of thing that will sell over a longer period of time through positive word of mouth, rather than a burst on release through recognized brand name and whatnot like some other titles.

>> No.17642402

>>17642287
>Those numbers seem pretty suspect, I wouldn't put much trust in them personally

Why? TG gets information from almost every stores except a few ones like sofmap. So yeah it might sold a little more with them, but this goes for other titles as well. Its pretty much the most trustworthy information about the eroge sales. Aperia is not at getchu's top 10 for july as well so I dont think there is any doubt about this.

And unfortunately eroges dont really sell in a longer period of time, as a couple of companies have said, most of their sales comes from the pre-order thing. For example I'm pretty sure that aperia wont be at August's sales chart as well, Only yuzusoft - August tier companies' games were able to do it so far.

Most likely they already created the Fandisc with the original game, like "Hey lets not add those two sub character routes to the original game, we can split them and get more money with it" mind and trying to sell before people forget the game itself.

>> No.17642464

>>17642402

If that's actually true, I wonder if the good ratings at EGS are bought or some crap? Weird.
Otherwise, this may also double as an attempt to actually circumvent the lack of a sales tail. Sell the maingame + FD as a bundle.

>> No.17642494

>>17642464
>If that's actually true, I wonder if the good ratings at EGS are bought or some crap? Weird.

Maybe. Sometimes good games dont get the sales they deserve though, Fureraba is a very good example. Personally I really enjoyed the game and most of people here seems to like it as well but it sold only 380 points. Well one point was meant to a higher sales back then so its still okayish though.

Another example is Totono, with 219 points it was literally lower than every shit at 2013.

>> No.17642565
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17642565

Why people hate yuzusoft?
They make the comfiest games.

>> No.17642574

>>17642565
Boring, drawn out and completely fall apart after the common route. After that point you can only read for the porn.

>> No.17642592

>>17642565
I dont think anyone hates them, its just that their games sell so much that it feels unfair / overrated.

Their last three games were the best seller of each year. Amairo Islenauts sold 2900~ fucking points, almost x10 of fureraba. While it was an enjoyable game it definitely didnt deserve that much at all imo.

>> No.17642595

>>17642574
I'm really enjoying senren banka. I'm still in the middle of the common route though.

>> No.17642596

>>17642565
Their games are really bland. The text, the jokes, the plot, everything is just too plain. The girls are cute though, I just watch a playthrough of their cute moments on youtube

>> No.17642600

>>17642595
How many games have you read?

>> No.17642618

So why do Moogy hate Umineko while everyone I have seen on the Internet besides him love it? Or at least they don't hate it.

>> No.17642623

>>17642618
cult popularity

umineko isn't actually popular in terms of exposure, it's just that it's so much of a thrill that the people who like it tend to like it a lot

>> No.17642630

>>17642600
4
Axanael, Hoshi ori, noratoto and himawari.
I see you may have a point. Maybe I haven't seen enough of tropes yet. But well, I may as well keep enjoying it while I still can.

>> No.17642634

>>17642618
It tends to be popular with the braindead EOP crowd which you surround yourself with hence your distorted perception.

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>>17642565
I don't hate them but they are a staggering pillar of mediocrity. "comfy" is to a game what "he's nice" is, said by that cute girl in your class you had a crush on.

>> No.17642639

>>17642618
Moogy loved being a hipster and that's all there is to it. There's no need to give a shit about his opinions anyway.

>> No.17642643

>>17642639
Hipsters love Umineko though.

>> No.17642647

>>17642639
https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/4pov9s/list_23_vns_you_have_decided_against_reading_and/d4ndixi/?context=3

sure seems "hip"

>> No.17642648

>>17642630
There you have the answer to your question. Three of those are pretty mediocre to bad games too, so the contrast isn't as big.

>> No.17642651

>>17642643
Depends what community you're talking about. If you're talking about the English community, then it's widely loved there and it's way more hipster to not like it. Japanese community then yes. But Moogy is a big name in the English community, hence being a hipster.

>> No.17642652

>>17642651
>If you're talking about the English community, then it's widely loved there
Wrong.

>> No.17642655

>>17642651
It has a vocal fanbase. That does not mean that it is widely loved.

>> No.17642660

>>17642652
>>17642655
Check it's vndb score distributions. Both parts are some of the highest rated and most popular on there. You would have to be deluding yourself to say it isn't insanely popular in the English community. You don't have to like the game to acknowledge this. Hell, Moogy himself acknowledges this in the mess that is this comment >>17642647

>> No.17642661

>>17642639
>There's no need to give a shit about his opinions anyway.
He rated Subahibi and Sakura no Uta really highly, and I agree with him in that. And he probably won't hate Subahibi since its translated and it may become really popular now. It's just his hate for Umineko is weird.

>> No.17642668

>>17642661
But who cares? He rated those highly....good for him? No need to care what he rates anything, whether it's positive or negative ratings.

>> No.17642674

>>17642660
vndb is basically the definition of a niche community. G-Senjou no Maou has like 7043 votes on it, for example, compared to Fata Morgana's 653. Guess which one of those games is actually more popular in terms of how many people care about it?

>> No.17642676

>>17642674
... Is this a trick question? G-Sen, by a large margin.

>> No.17642682

>>17642676
No. Fata Moragana, actually. Not by a lot, but it does happen to have more people care about it. It's just not targeted at the demographic that the normal vndb member is part of.

>> No.17642685

>>17642565
Their marketing is incredibly aggressive.

>> No.17642686

>>17642682
You're very delusional.

>> No.17642689

>>17642686
Fata Morgana has more reviews on Steam. Now isn't Steam more important than vndb?

>> No.17642701

fujo erasure or something

>> No.17642704

>>17642674
>>17642682
Dude you are ridiculous. There's this thing called recency bias. Fata is still pretty recent. A lot of people in the English community are still just playing it. Most people over there who were gonna play G senjou already have.

>> No.17642714

>>17642689
I played G senjou long before it was on steam and rated it on vndb. I would wager most people are like me. Only a small slice of people are going to buy and rate a game they have already played on steam. Also, on steam you're going to get people that play one or two visual novels and leave it at that. They are not a reflection on the VN community as a whole. On the other hand, if someone is on vndb it is safe to say they are pretty into VNs.

>> No.17642724

>>17642689
I can't stop laughing at the fact that you actually think some badly written, hipster doujin VN is somehow more popular than one of the top 5 biggest games in eroge history.

>> No.17642725

>>17642704
All the games with lots of reviews on vndb are old ones. Your argument is literally invalid.

>> No.17642727

>>17642724
Yeah actually it is

Have you read Humanity yet?

>> No.17642737

>>17642565
I like their H-CG.

That's about it. They do have some cute girls but there's always something in their routes or the game itself which degrades them. At least their protagonist's aren't completely annoying though, I guess. That's easily my least favorite part about moege.

>> No.17642740

Who actually think Fata Morgana can compete with G-Senjou? Is that a bait?

>> No.17642741

>>17642725
No fucking shit. People have had more time to read them. That leads to way more people knowing about them and being familiar with them. Despite being recent and a shiny new toy over in the English community, it would not be surprising at all if 5x more people in it are familiar with G-senjou than Fata.

>> No.17642743

>>17642740
Of course it can. It did way better on Steam, the only mainstream platform.

>> No.17642749

>>17642647
umineko is bad but holy shit that's a terrible write-up

>>17642740
G-Senjou is really terrible, so it wouldn't be hard

>> No.17642751

>>17642743
Nobody in the English community had played Fata before it came out on Steam. Senjou was out for years before it was on steam. How difficult is this to comprehend?

>> No.17642755

>>17642751
MuvLuv is doing great on Steam, though.

>> No.17642768

>>17642751
It has more reviews and has been released there for half the time.

The "English community" isn't an actual entity.

>> No.17642778

>>17642755
MuvLuv's explosion after getting to Steam is basically proof that cult popularity basically isn't "real" in comparison to mainstream popularity.

>> No.17642782

Why are you responding to yourself?

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>>17642782
I'm not.

>> No.17642786

>>17642755
Where are you getting these numbers? MuvLuv has a much larger and devoted fanbase anyway though.

>>17642768
I agree that it isn't optimal generalizing everything in one stroke of the brush as the English community. That being said, going by steam reviews is moronic. As I've been saying, the vast majority of people who don't speak Japanese who have played that game did so through steam. That isn't the case for Senjou. I don't even like G-Senjou either, this is just reality. Their popularities overall are not comparable. Now if you want to get into recent popularity, then sure Fata takes the cake because it is new and got a giant surge when it was released.

>> No.17642790

>>17642743
>>17642751
i think there's a bit of a simplification going on from both sides here, it's important to understand to context. G-Senjou's release on Steam was fairly controversial for a few reasons;
1. Cut H
2. Cropped
3. Voices sold separately
take all of this along with Sekai's god-awful PR (with their tendency to insult their customer-base and whatnot) and i can see people being reluctant to support it at all. however, i can also see the other side of the argument, because frankly G-Senjou is a shallow as fuck visual novel anyway. i practically never see it discussed anymore desu

>> No.17642791

>>17642786
You're not wrong. I was basically baiting because nobody was saying anything reasonable, but now that you've said something worth listening, I'll defer to you.

>> No.17642808

>>17642790
The argument could be said that the problem with Umineko is the size of its lasting following. For Key and Type Moon's works it makes sense, since the depth is justifiable to the people it panders to, but Umineko's depth is basically a really long drawn out version of any remotely controversial mystery story. It's directly inferior to other mystery works aside from the spectacle. And spectacle doesn't seem to be a reason for a visual novel to have a long lasting mindshare. So why? What is the actual reason? Is it because of the Higurashi anime priming people for it? Is it because of the music? Is it because it was talked about to such an extent at the time it was coming out, and so few things filling its niche got localized since then that it remains the most recent relevant example of its kind?

>> No.17642809

Have I accidentally clicked on the english translation general? Who the fuck cares, go back to the EOP thread.

>> No.17642813

>>17642808
i'm really not sure which conversation we're having now

>> No.17642815

>>17642813
This one:

>>17642655
>>17642660
>>17642674

>> No.17642822

>>17642809
This.

Noone cares what eops deem more popular.

>> No.17642833

>>17642808
Umineko's depth was one of the better thing's about it. You can form theory after theory about the mystery and that's the beauty of it. You may not like it, and personally I have my thoughts on the story and I keep it at that, refraining from coming up with tons of theories. But it's certainly understandable why its fans continue to talk about it even now. If there's one thing that Umineko lent itself well to, it's discussion and debate among its fans. I think that's exactly why TM stuff has remained so well talked about over the years. It also lends itself very well to debate among its fans. Shitposts like "Can Shiki kill servants?" can spawn threads with hundreds of replies.

>> No.17642834

>>17642833
Shiki can kill the very concept of a servant, obviously.

>> No.17642841

>>17642833
kinda wanna circlejerk about how shit TM is these days now

>> No.17642844

>>17642841
that feeling when nasuverse lore got corrupted piece by piece by fate spinoffs and we will never see the concept of a liner outside the context of prisma illya ever again

>> No.17642849

>>17642841
>>17642844
Tsukihime remake or Mahoyo 2 will come out sometime next century and save us

>> No.17642875

>>17642565
I don't.
And in fact I'm eagerly awaiting them to announce their next title which should be fairly soon based on their based 4 or so games.

>> No.17642911
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Here we go:

アルカディアの灯火.zip (DRM removed) 886.8 MB https://mega.nz/#!dHYnxYIT!3-7U1otNwH5vFC031MXdr2hz94XIjnhh96IzNL0rrM8

レイジングループ.zip (Full Android version with emu) 761.0 MB https://mega.nz/#!0D5BEKIB!nU2TqilM3ZACuC8vJbro7z0qLvLO4QyLQikvkSSOycQ

>> No.17642926

>>17642911
>レイジングループ
Thanks a lot for this one.

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>>17642926
Write if it works ok or not (still not sure my patched apk works for everyone)

>> No.17643058

>>17642966
I really don't get how to transfer a whole folder to bluestacks, only lets me transfer single files.

>> No.17643098

>>17642966
>>17643058
OK, got it working, had voices, videos and music this time around so I think it woks fine.
Really thankful for it.

>> No.17643112

>>17643098
Glad it works, you're welcome

>> No.17643514

Any good rape games lately? I prefer playing as the girl.

>> No.17643518

>>17642911
アルカディアの灯火 is two short games in one right?
How is it?

>> No.17643634

>>17643518
Rakuen no Shugosha is really refreshing. A serious war story with zero female or romantic preference, which is pretty much unheard of in VNs. Ultimately too short to be THAT meaningful, but still a solid read with surprisingly great art direction and fresh assets throughout the entire novel.
Marybell... was boring so I dropped it too quickly to give a review on it.

>> No.17643721

>>17642574
Anything not WA2 is boring piece of shit to you?

>> No.17643857

>>17643514
Is the girl the one doing the raping?

>> No.17643921

>>17642911
Thanks for the uploads.
Is there any particular reason to read the android version of レイジングループ over any other?

>> No.17643924
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There's only one correct answer.

>> No.17643936

>>17643924
Starting to say #2 then just as her eyes get big and hopeful switch back to #1? oh wow i made myself sad

>> No.17643949
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>>17643936
No. How could you do that to your cute imouto? She'd cry herself to sleep!

>> No.17644009

>>17643949
I want to know how to pronounce <3.

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>>17642041
That would have been so good, but alas, Japan hates bad girls like Risa.

Also, for those that were wondering, Marmalade finally released their 2nd poll results. Pretty similar to the first poll except like half the votes. I'm too lazy to make a proper pic, so here's 1st place.

>> No.17644088

>>17642565
I don't hate them but it feels like there's a lot of wasted potential. Their titles have decent art, good seiyuu cast, and the characters are fairly well-designed with fun personalities, but unfortunately as soon as the common route everything fell apart with shitty drama that came out of nowhere or so mind-boggingly stupid that it pretty much destroy whatever goodwill the characters garnered. Also the contents are unnecessarily long with not-so-good writing, culminating into a rather frustrating experience.
Granted I have only read their titles up until Amairo so hopefully they hired better writers.

>> No.17644105

>>17642911
Have you played DMLC by the same author? That premise sounds hilarious.

>> No.17644348

>>17644009
ハート

>> No.17644450

>>17642041
Half of that 'what if' reminds me of that one route in YMK with the senpai girl who gets knocked up during one of your sexfests.

>> No.17644567

>>17642911
>レイジングループ.zip (Full Android version with emu)
Any chance of the PC version being uploaded too?

>> No.17644601
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took her long enough to show up in the chapter supposedly about her

>> No.17644621

>>17643921
>>17644567
No particular reason to read it over any version other then it was easier to get. As far as I know it's no different on other platforms, but I don't have the pc version so I can't really tell. I'm interested in checking it out myself so it would be cool if someone dumped files from steam or whatever. It has DRM on pc though

>> No.17644635

>>17644105
It really does, but I haven't (yet)

>> No.17644719
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heh

>> No.17644954

>>17644621
http://kemco.adv-game.com/?p=4517
"フルボイス+追加CG(スマホ版に比して)+加筆+謎ED2つあり"

>> No.17645124

>処女を奪う
kukuku

>> No.17645522

anyone have either of these?

https://vndb.org/v2569
https://vndb.org/v18577

first was apparently uploaded on /jp/ when it came out
second i'm not sure was ever really shared anywhere

>> No.17646396

Does Saiminjutsu 2 still remain as the best hypnosis nukige right now? Saimin Yuugi came pretty close but it's not depraved enough for my taste.

>> No.17646439

>>17646396
It's one of the best nukige period.

>> No.17646460

/djt/ here, I'm picking out a first VN, would you recommend Amagami or Photokano?

>> No.17646463

>>17646396
Yep, this year had a couple of good ones but nothing on its level.

>> No.17646468

>>17646460
Amagami easily

>> No.17646484

>>17641928
How is Rewrite+ compared to the original? Worth a re-read if I just read the original two years ago?

>> No.17646499

>>17646468
Are you saying that because it's a better game or an easier game?

>> No.17646506

I know that everyone who cares has already finished it, but Istoria's update doesn't actually fix any of the typos or scripting errors because it wasn't packed correctly.

Here's a fixed version of it: https://mega.nz/#!yxBXhIoY!gMJgLQsnFzphhKnpsPEFQPQ2Y7jJS0CYgrWf7M0P1Gk
Just put it in the install directory and it should work.
It still seems to have typos every now and then, but it should be better than the release version.

>> No.17646520

>>17646506
I'm interested but it probably isn't happening this year. Higher priority reads atm. Thanks for the file though, I'll throw it in the folder.

>> No.17646530

>>17646506
>but Istoria's update doesn't actually fix any of the typos or scripting errors because it wasn't packed correctly.
Oh god, it's just hilarious, I guess it explains why it still had them when I read it.

>> No.17646562
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Any other good Vn like Himanatsu about the cute story of raising a cute nbr daughter till she get her electra complex?

>> No.17646572

>>17646562
I can imagine an incest sequel because of how alike their kids are.

>> No.17646706

>>17641982
How remarkable actually are those differences?
I'm wondering if it's worth it to re-read Fate in Japanese, seeing how long it is and how there's so many other things I haven't read yet.

>> No.17646731

>>17638612
I actually like this CG, looks like a sex scene of one of those cyberpunk PC-98 games with the great-looking night cityscape.

>> No.17646742

>>17646706
>How remarkable actually are those differences?
Pretty gigantic since the fantl is horrible and people have a lot of misconceptions because of it. Just skip the first route for a re-read.

>> No.17646831

>>17646742
Wasn't the translator of that game Japanese? Or did I remember wrong.

>> No.17646847

>>17646831
Yes, the differences are actually not that big (biggest one being terminology). Anon is exaggerating.

>> No.17646877

>>17646831
Yeah the worst parts of the translations were the awkward and clunky English, not inaccuracies.

>> No.17647620
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The 4th Mangekyou has a trap protag? Nice. How is it?

>> No.17647681

>>17647620

porn/10

>> No.17647959

damn rairai scored even lower than sasa on the 2nd poll. finn btfo

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>>17642041
Damnit man you make it sound so good.

You know, speaking of such things, I'm honestly shocked there aren't more VNs that deal with idols in a serious way. I know im@s and LL! exist but you'd think an eroge dev would've attempted to make a VN about idols and have the MC be a manager or producer or whatever it is. Or has this already been done and failed horribly?

Something like that would be a lot more interesting than another high-school rabu story. Imagine a VN where the MC is the manager of several idols/models/cosplayers/whatever and their fate is in his hands, etc etc. It could probably get away with being darker than im@s or LL with a pragmatic MC in a cutthroat business.

Sounds too risky, let's do another high school setting instead!

>>17647620
Only good for faps.

>> No.17648199

trying to read white album2 after nanairo i realized my japanese is babby tier

>> No.17648257

>>17648199
Try Oretsuba. It's harder than WA2, but the text interesting enough that you won't find it bothersome, and you'll be eager to read more.

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>>17648199
time to go back to the moege boot camp

>> No.17648268

>>17648257
What the fuck, no. Oretsuba is too good to waste on shitty babby-tier Japanese. Why are people so eager to push kamige on people who can barely comprehend the damn language?

>> No.17648272

>>17648058
The problem as far as I can tell is that there doesn't seem to be much of a market for anywhere in between the two purity-corruption extremes; either people want their idols squeaky clean or else drug-addled gangbanging prostitutes. Which sucks because it's real hard to give either of those the nice little dab of realism that makes it much hotter.

Though I dunno, I don't read much in the way of nukige since the titles alone make my soul hurt but maybe there's some better examples there. I feel like it's mostly too far off into the deep end, however.

>> No.17648280

>>17647959
Yeah surprised she ranked that low. Ushio getting first was a given but I didn't expect Kanon to be 2nd.

>> No.17648298

>>17648268
Nothing is 'too good to waste'. You can always re-read it if you want. Oretsuba's text is fun so you'll be motivated to understand it more, thus improving your japanese in the process. It's a great game for learning the language.

>> No.17648299

>>17648267
It's been years but I still can't believe White Album 2 got such a fucking shitty artist.

>> No.17648312

>>17648298
Not that guy but most people view their first reading of something as the best experience. You might read something again to catch more details and see foreshadowing, but it will never surpass the first time because you already know what's going to happen. You most certainly can waste something good due to your lack of understanding of the language. Knowing enough to see what major plot points are happening but not enough to understand any intricacies can harm one's enjoyment.

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>>17648267
What was her fucking problem?

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>>17648299
It certainly isn't remarkable, but shitty? Maybe I'm just desensitized by delving too deep into the nukige rabbit hole though.

>> No.17648329

>>17648312
I think that's just a matter of opinion then. I've read and re-read a lot of things, and usually I find that if a work is good, then the re-read is just as valuable as the first read. In some cases, I've found the re-read to be even more fun than the first read. I don't really place my enjoyment of fiction on 'knowing what's going to happen', so I can't really relate to that.

>> No.17648372

>>17648298
If he's going to be re-reading the game he may as well read something else. You can improve your Japanese by reading literally ANYTHING in Japanese, no need to zoom for some of the best games of all time then shit all over them with ass comprehension.
And he probably won't find Oretsuba's text that fun if his nose is in a dictionary the majority of the time.

>> No.17648400

>>17644450
Yes, and it was awesome.

>> No.17648419

>>17648314
If you think about it, she's pretty much a yandere without the murder part.

>> No.17648425

>>17648272
I mean there's quite a few of eroge devs out there that make more 'serious' VNs, but maybe you are right. The Japanese treat their idols pretty seriously so maybe eroge devs are just scared of pissing off their fanbase. But they don't have to use idols; models would work just as well but do they have the same ultra-purity stigma that idols have? Plus with models instead of idols, the devs wouldn't have to spend $$$ on tons of insert songs or rhythm minigames.

I can already picture a game like that Risa poster imagined: the dating sim elements of the Cation series (city map, acquiring new items/outfits, limited time items, etc) in a standard VN package. Maybe even add a 'sex trainer' section a la メイクMeラバー.

The heroines could all be different kinds of models (lingerie, clothes, shoes, etc) with an up-and-coming producer MC on the scene. Maybe the MC's big break was when he got his (imouto/childhood friend) to be his test model and became ultra popular on pixiv/twitter. He could then try to recruit girls into working for him. They could make it pure, or fairly dark.

It's a shame devs would rather play it safe than try to do something original.

>> No.17648438

>>17648199
was WA2 your second VN?

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>>17648419
>tfw no Setsuna gf
She may have been fucked up, but hell, she was much less of a wreck than Kazusa, you gotta admit

>> No.17648491
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>>17648425
The Risa poster was me
That sounds pretty great, maybe some kind of "badness" slider effect where you can choose to go down the darker paths of corporate backstabbing or blackmailing rivals with compromising photos you set up yourself, or try and make it while keeping your hands (and your models) clean. That stuff really only works well when you have the option not to, and opposites to contrast it against. Having the only pure models in a dirty business means much more than when no one on the scene has ever even heard of a penis before.

We're probably wandering further into game/raising sim than VN territory but either way this is very appealing to me.

bleh. It's just not the right medium for adventurous stuff. Which is apparently everything that I like.

>> No.17648505

>>17648314
>setsuna wearing a red white and blue murica tshirt
I bet she takes a GI dick every weekend, that shirt mustve been from her sexfriend. Prove me wrong nerds.

>> No.17648522
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>>17648491
>That sounds pretty great, maybe some kind of "badness" slider
Pretty good idea, reminds me of MakeMeLover's Pleasure<->Reason scale.

>> No.17648554

>>17648522
Yeah. Something like that. Appeal to different types of fans with different degrees of depravity. Trying to stay too pure makes it easy for other companies to smear you, but getting too dark means a lot of bad press and attracting dodgy sponsors. Mostly I'm just sick of vns (that aren't corruption/fall from grace nukige) where everyone always has to do the morally upstanding thing.

and while we're wishing for impossible things, I'll take a couple billion dollars and a nice house somewhere with an ocean view.

>> No.17648556

Is WA1 easier than WA2? I'm not confident enough in my skills to tackle WA2 but want to read something with similar vocab for practice.

>> No.17648559

>>17648556
Don't cuck yourself with kusoge because you're a pussy. be a man.

>> No.17648564

>>17648559
I don't want to ruin the experience of a kamige. Is WA1 really that bad?

>> No.17648570

>>17648564
just read it and see if you are having fun with the game. if you're having fun then you're not ruining the experience. wa1 is pretty bad, yes.

>> No.17648572

>>17648556
They're both just VNs, so they're very easy. All you have to do is click the mouse when you're done reading the line. There are choices you have to make sometimes, but you can always use a walkthrough if you're unsure of what to pick.

>> No.17648582

>>17648425
>But they don't have to use idols; models would work just as well but do they have the same ultra-purity stigma that idols have?
My understanding is there isn't really a divide between models and idols, model work is also considered アイカツ. In any case the ultra-purity thing only applies to popular real idols, you can do whatever you like with your own fictional 2D idols and no one will mind.

>> No.17648642

>>17648556
Just read another Maruto's title. I don't really understand this whole vocab level thing since eroge are written by Japanese writers intended for Japanese readers. Even the shittiest nukige can be plenty verbose if the writer wants to.
Alternately just read whatever grabs your fancy.

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>>17648554
>where everyone always has to do the morally upstanding thing.
Hey now, that morally upstanding thing is what makes the shy heroine fall in love with the MC!

Just kidding, I do agree with ya though. I know expecting realism from VNs is a futile endeavor, but a man can dream, can't he?

Another thing that grinds my gears is when the MC starts out not going to school for whatever reason, but then is pressured back into enrolling again. See Mashimaro for a recent example. Fuck you Kanon, and fuck your 'fulfilling school life'!

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>>17648659
I held down the ctrl key for everything that didn't involve blonde finn teasing and I still felt cheated and annoyed by Marshmallow's story.

I mean I used to tell myself the school thing was just a lazy shortcut way to have a reason for the MC to be interacting with multiple cute girls on a daily basis, but they really do need it in some deeply ingrained psychological way. Can't get off properly if they're not thinking about half-assing the answers on their career choice forms. Entire h-scenes that are just the girl leaning over and seductively whispering "文化祭" into their ears.

okay that's enough bitching from me. still mad about Risa, but that was expected.

>> No.17648765
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>>17648687
Japanese eroge devs have an almost instinctive urge to write side characters better than they do the heroines. Some claim that the side charas are better precisely because they don't have a route, but is that really all it is?

It wasn't so bad in Mashimaro, where Shizuka only ranked 3rd place in the poll. Compare that to sukisuki where Maya blew the fuck outta everyone but Yuuki in the polls. I guess we instinctively want what we can't have.

>> No.17648778

>>17648687
>"文化祭
I just gag looking at that word. But maybe we just don't "get it" because we've never experienced the mythical Japanese school festival firsthand. All those haunted houses, cafes and fortune tellers must be really really good.

>> No.17648806

Man, every time I see WA2 being brought up it makes me want to read the game again. Everyone always says that WA2 was long as fuck, but playing the game it really didn't feel that long.

I've never read any of Maruto's other games, but do any of his other games even remotely touch the impact that Kazusa's true route had? Other than that, I remember really enjoying Setsuna's closing chapter route. Did Maruto ever do anything similar to that in his other games?

>> No.17648809

>>17648556
WA1 stats here. It's pretty easy as far as VN difficulty goes:
http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats

>> No.17648815

>>17648327
Anon...

>> No.17648816

>>17648806
You can see vestiges of it in all his other games. He took everything he had done up until that point and made his magnum opus with WA2.

>> No.17648865

>>17648809
>http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats
Where can I find those VN 5k decks?

>> No.17648913

Kinda bored and never really played AIR. The whole "Am I cute, uguu" meme kinda put me off the anime, but the game is probably better anyway. Also, 鳥の詩 is a great song.

Is it worth playing in 2017?

>> No.17648929 [SPOILER] 
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Hatsukoi spoilers. I'm really glad I played this game. It was definitely a pleasant surprise. All the characters were fairly likable, and Anzu particularly was an angel. It was no masterpiece or anything, but I still can't help but feel that melancholy that arises when I realize I'll probably never play something that feels exactly like that again.

I only did 4/5 routes and I doubt I'll do the last one. I didn't dislike Coco, but Anzu was by far my favorite and after completing her route I doubt I'll be able to work up the motivation to do Coco's. It's probably best to leave Anzu as the conclusion of the game for me. There is one thing that I'm curious about, though. In other routes, it's foreshadowed that they aren't blood related siblings. Yet that never ended up coming up in her route. I haven't done her bad end yet, so it's possible it gets mentioned there. I really hope so, or else I would be pretty confused.

Since I thoroughly enjoyed that, I'll probably start Ricotte by the same developer whenever I get the chance. Hopefully it can have the same charm that Hatsukoi had for me.

>> No.17649018

>>17648913
Summer Pockets looks like a more modern take on Air's story, so you might like to wait for that.

>> No.17649037

>>17648765
People vote en masse for side characters in hopes they ge a route in a fandisk or something though.
Reminds me how Maya 'won' the polls in hapymaher with Saki close behind yet once the fandisk came she was second.

>> No.17649051

>>17648913
I'd say it's worthn it for the summer/air routes, not every day you get something like that, especially air.

>> No.17649065

>>17649037
Maia is a pretty much textbook example of how the best way to ruin a great girl is to give her a route. I'm still mad.

Message to all the eroge writers who are totally lurking in this thread hoping for suggestions from thankless gaijins: when you vote for a side character in the hopes she gets a fandisk route, it's because you liked her and wanted more of what you saw + some (more) sex scenes. Not because you want to find out she's actually not at all like that and in fact her true personality is entirely different.

>> No.17649098

>>17649065
Don't be ridiculous, gaijin friend, it's common knowledge that girls are only attractive if they're concealing a secret deep personal trauma. No one wants to have a relationship with a normal girl who is what she seems to be, that would be absurd.

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>>17649098
You hurt me, anon.

>> No.17649307

>>17648765
Is it a commonplace to have childhood friend heroines on first or second place on popularity poll?

>> No.17649311

>>17649307
Nah, but Yuuki was best girl by a pretty huge margin. I actually agree with the heroine placement overall too.

>> No.17649322

>>17649311
Funny, I would have place her near the bottom.

Then again, I couldn't even stand finishing a single route, not the best person to give an opinion.

>> No.17649635

>>17648806
I liked Damekoi more than WA2 desu. The heroines are some of the most memorable I've come across and the protag is an adult too, It's more of a comedy though, but it does have it's touching moments. Parfait and Mama Love are pretty good too (but again, the tone is a bit different from WA2) and Konnyaku is one of the most renowned eroge among the Nips even though nobody has noticed it here (I haven't read it yet either). I can also safely recommend Saekano, the LN he's currently working on, though I do prefer his eroge. He also worked on the anime Classroom Crisis but I haven't watched that yet.
Definitely among the top 1% writers in the eroge industry, and one of the few who write genuinely good comedy. That's what he's most known for really, so WA2 might give the wrong impression. Great writer either way, I wonder if we'll ever see him back in eroge.

>> No.17649644

>>17649635
>even though nobody has noticed it here
Hey, I actually read it, Umi for life.

>> No.17649678

>>17649018
They explicitly stated it's not meant to be like Air.

>> No.17649689

>>17649678
+it seems like Key is moving to a different formula in their games in general, considering Rewrite and Nijima Yuu working on Summer pockets. He did say he weill adjust his style but it's clear that Kry is preparing for the future without Jun Maeda.

>> No.17649690

>>17649635
He's one of my favorites too. Classroom Crisis is also pretty good though it got dropped by a lot of people early on because of the weaker first episodes, but Maruto has always been a slow starter. It was interesting in the end and Mizuki is best girl.

>> No.17649695

>>17649689
Poor guy, I will miss him, especially the music part.

>> No.17649705

Is it even possible to get AST's Riddle in Riddle, anons? The only information I can find is in Korean and it seems to be translated from Japanese (not sure of this though). Either way, it doesn't seem it was available on the net ever.

Korean blog: http://matsuhara.tistory.com/7

>> No.17649725

Are there any good/promising new writers in the idunstry? i.e. people who started only recently after the golden years of eroge but are still trying to do interesting stuff?

>> No.17649729

>>17649725
Yeah.

>> No.17649734

>>17649729
Ok

>> No.17649781

>>17649725
https://vndb.org/s6158
https://vndb.org/s3959
https://vndb.org/s5850
https://vndb.org/s2934

>> No.17649787

>>17649781
Unabara's paghe makes me wish LS had let him write some more porn scenarios for farityale games, because psy-min was really fap worthy.

>> No.17649804

>>17649725
https://vndb.org/s7541

>> No.17649818

>>17649781

It's kinda awkward when you don't know if this is a troll or serious.

>> No.17649835

Man, I really miss Chronobox now, can't wait for the writer next game.

If I was in Japan I would have defiantly visited the bar/caffe
http://mobile.twitter.com/BarHonest/status/907923456112582656?p=v

>> No.17649837

>>17649818
The only thing that can be taken as a troll there is Sakuraba but if you follow eroge at all you'd know his newest game is liked by quite a few people.

>> No.17649846

>>17649835
Should've posted this back when people were in Tokyo for Comiket, I would've gone. Chronobox was so good, I'm going to back and read the author's other games when I have time.

>> No.17649854

>>17649846
I can only recommend Dasaku.

>> No.17649856

>>17649846
does he even have anything that isn't just guro nukige other than dasaku maybe?

>> No.17649861

>>17649846
>>17649856
Ishu Soukan is his best game.

>> No.17649881

>>17649837

Chaos Child wasn't too good though, and a lot either dislike the first parts or the later ones of common. Routes and whatnot also gave a lot of people mixed feelings. It WAS successful, but that's hardly what we should go by. Otherwise we get quickly into the same territory as "Naruto is good" and whatnot.
Shinsou Noise was generally considered shit in the later chapters. (and I REALLY have to agree there)
Chrono Box was fine, though still ultimately VERY heavy on ero. Which in itself is not an issue, but the "romances" leading there were not particularly good. A setting mostly requiring romance for ero with that much ero is going to have its issues I guess. In the end you could say it "makes sense", but I don't think that was the goal, nor does it really fix your entertainment before.

I haven't read anything from the Kazuki Fumi, so yeah. I suppose it's always the case that not everyone is liking something, but especially with Shinsou Noise and Chrono Box you heard quite a bit of varying commentary about it. Chaos Child is also still a mixed back, a bit less so I guess?

>> No.17649883

>>17649881
Keep in mind you said "good/promising" people trying to do "interesting stuff", not "flawless writers of ultimate kamige".

>> No.17649886

>>17649861
>Ishu Soukan
EXTRAVAGANZA is better

>> No.17649896

>>17649881
>Shinsou Noise was generally considered shit in the later chapters
Really? Too bad. Was considering giving it a shot because holy shit that art is beautiful.

>> No.17649899

>>17649896
It's shit due to meta "muh pure heroine" stuff not do to story stuff more or less, go wild. Good chance you'll still like it.

>> No.17649903

>>17649896
Yeah, don't give the game you're interested in a shot and decide for yourself because random anon told you it's shit. I mean who would do something like that

>> No.17649904

>>17649899
Oh. Used goods confirmed, I guess? I'm not nearly as autistic about that as other people. I've never really understood the obsession with it outside of moege titles.

>> No.17649905

>>17649881
>Chaos Child wasn't too good though, and a lot either dislike the first parts or the later ones of common.
lol

>> No.17649906

Chaos Child would've been a lot better if that hack Toru Yasumoto wasn't involved.

>> No.17649910

>>17649906
And if you don't rehash chaos head but with worse 'impactful' scenes, and without Serika, yes.

>> No.17649934

>>17649881
That's just your opinions and what you want to believe for the most part.
C;C is easily one of the best releases in the 10's and I wouldn't think twice about someone listing it as one of their favorite games of all time. It has a 8.7 average on vndb / 90/85 on EGS, so most people agree clearly.
SN / CB aren't anywhere as good and have lots of flaws but they offer nonstandard experiences and the overall reception was still positive, both sitting at around 80~ on EGS.

Last time I checked a vocal minority complaining or a game not being perfect in every area aren't things that make a game bad. I actually dislike ChronoBox myself but I can't deny it being interesting and many people liking it. Frankly, you just seem to have a bit of a snowflake syndrome and can't comprehend when people like something you didn't, to the point where you apparently unironically think people are "trolling" when they mention well liked titles.

>> No.17649953

>>17649910
But Serika was the only thing that made C;C stand out, none of the other heroines were remotely likeable and all of the parts of the game that anyone praises are completely focused on her.

>> No.17649988

Is there a way to get a free premium rapidgator account for quicker direct downloads?

>> No.17650294

>>17649988
Have someone buy it for you.

>> No.17650296

Man Setsuna's route ending in CC is just about the most romantic shit I've ever seen. The 3 years of pent up feelings being unleashed in that kiss and sex scene was so satisfying after seeing Setsuna getting wrecked again and again in IC and the 3 other girl's routes. Aisuru Kokoro is an amazing song. Why the fuck does Kazusa have to appear and wreck everything again? I don't think I can fucking play Coda man. I can't stand to see Setsuna wrecked again.

>> No.17650352

>>17649988
Just buy it for one month and get all you want during that time. It's like what, 11 bucks? I did that with depositfiles, definitely worth it. Takes more time than you might expect if you have many titles you plan to download though.

>> No.17650365

>>17650352
as long as he's paying, might as well throw money at a premium generator site like real-debrid desu. 90 days is like 9 euros or something iirc.

>> No.17650369

>>17650352
>paying to pirate
Never ever.

>> No.17650400

>>17650365
Yeah that's a good idea if it suppprts rapidgrator. It doesnn't support depositfiles.
>>17650369
Eh I don't concern myself with these silly moral axioms when it comes to IP rights. Paying 11 bucks for 200 eroge is a good deal in my books.

>> No.17650674

>>17649899

Actually no, that's not it. It's literally goes to shit tier because it's shit. It's not one plot element, it simply gets gradually worse and worse and most just get bored and drop it along the way, and even if you somehow struggle through it, it's not worth it at all. The "rape" part is just pseudo rape anyway. No heroine has sex with anyone aside of the protag. It's 100% otaku safe. Which is one of the reasons it's super stupid btw.


>>17649934

It's what I heard here (and maybe vndb) with my added personal opinion added in some parts. CC was criticized more than praised. Yes, there are some who like in its entirety, but those were surprisingly few. I figured there'd be more positive words about it too, but go figure.
Mind you, this all even happened before I read it myself and came to agree with several points mentioned. I still remember that because I actually hoped for something a little better overall and that preemptively made me expect less. Which was very good, because that probably made me enjoy it more overall and it easier to accept the flaws.

>> No.17650687

>>17650400
hope you realize premium file lockers especially rapidgator are often used to host fake files to trick you into paying for the service. though links from certain sites are usually safe it really is sad to pay for piracy

>> No.17650695

>>17649953
Despite of her, I couldn't stop laughing every time she started talking with her I'm evil voice, just hilarious.
Also Rimi was better.

>> No.17650696

>>17650674
>CC was criticized more than praised.
What? Where?

>> No.17650700

>>17650696
Inside his mind

>> No.17650713

>>17650674
Yeah, that's called the vocal minority, which you seem to be part of in this case. Three people on a known to be contrarian anonymous board hardly determine a games worth. Take a look out of here sometimes.

>> No.17650725

>>17650713
So the opinion of the supposed mass is objective just because you actually agree with it?

>> No.17650749
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17650749

Why have eroge faces been perpetually stuck in the 00's?

>> No.17650752

>>17650749
Definitely a shame that literally every VN has the same art.

>> No.17650772

>>17650749
I dunno, but I honestly prefer 00s over 10s in this chart. 10s proportions don't look good. 90s is the best though, I love the bold shading and lineart.

>> No.17650820

>>17645522
Second one was indeed never uploaded but I'll upload the first one soon

>> No.17650879

>>17650696
Can't speak for other sites, but at least in this thread we've had more than enough arguments about C;C and I didn't really like it *that* much myself either, due to already mentioned reasons and many others as well. The hype from the guys who played it on release probably set my expectations too high as well, so when the game actually ended up padding its common route with new cast of expy characters very slowly rediscovering the first game's plot elements (no doubt to make the game accessible to new people who didn't play C;H), while on the other extreme when the game finally starts to get interesting towards the end of the common route it crashes and burns with the nearly completely tangential enforced side heroine routes, so with the game betraying my initially high expectations you can say my opinion of it took a rather heavy nosedive.

Its popular score is obviously above average (and I don't think it's outright bad either despite its big flaws) but then are other not so stellar games' as well. Bringing up argumentum ad populum is kind of being a dick, but so is probably that guy's claim that C;C is *widely* criticized. For me it was decent but nowhere near the new sliced bread and both C;H and S;G are above it, even the former due to at least being original (working better for the mystery and horror factor) whereas C;C is a sequel utilizing the same setting and plot elements.

>> No.17650987
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So what are these things that show up on the bottom right? It seems like they lead to extra scenes. When are you supposed to read it? Does it spoil anything?

>> No.17651008

>>17650987
They're the trial portions and you can read them first if you want. Not essential.

>> No.17651114

>>17645522
>>17650820
http://www9.zippyshare.com/v/cf82ojCf/file.html

>> No.17651162

The Shigokare trial was nice. The writing and its lack of lewdness is what usually lets down the nice art by Choco Chip in Atelier Kaguya games, but based on the trial, Momoka at least is going to be dynamite.

>> No.17651619

ヤミと祝祭のサンクチュアリ trial is out.

>> No.17653095

>>17650296
you're going to love Kazusa's true route, mate.

>> No.17653155

>>17650772
but 10s is less bug-eyed than 00s and 90s has the worst proportions of the lot. just look at that skull

>> No.17653173

Hanachirasu keeps freezing for me whenever I try to enter config (to change volume settings for example) or save or load. It's still readable but pretty annoying. Anyone know what's going on? I'm on windows 8.1, system locale is Japanese.

>> No.17653322

Are there any galge where the male protagonist got one of the top spots in a character popularity poll?

>> No.17653327

>>17650749
It's more like they evolved separately from anime.

>> No.17653329

>>17653322
Rance

>> No.17653343

>>17653322
Muramasa

>> No.17653397

>>17653322
Hello World

>> No.17653568

>>17650674
You're entitled to your opinion and all, but it doesn't sound to me like you payed attention to what you were reading.

>> No.17653658

>>17653322
Hello lady.

>> No.17653823

>>17653568

You mean Shinsou Noise? What I wrote isn't exactly a secret and I'm not even the only one who thinks like this. There are at least a few others here who put this on hold, because they simply lost interest.
It's pretty good for the first few chapters. But not a lot stay interested, let alone like the later few. And that's really not related to this weird "pseudo rape" that happens, as that's otaku safe anyway. Not like that is needed.. or even wanted by most here. But that's another story. Just like how that scene in itself is just very random.

>> No.17653882

Does anyone have the first append to 天結いキャッスルマイスター ? I've not read anything in quite a while, and for some reason on the usual sites I could only find the base game, 1.05 patch, append 2&3, but not the first one. Maybe I'm just blind.

>> No.17654089

>>17653882
You mean the 予約特典? If the description is correct, the Mikocon thread for 天結い has it, but I'm not completely sure yet as I'm downloading it myself as I also needed append 1.

http://bbs.mikocon.com/thread-29773-1-1.html its the 122mb file

>> No.17654098

>>17654089
Well the download file has AP01 in the name so odds are pretty good that's what you want.

>> No.17654140

>>17654089
Yeah, that must be it then, cheers. I've checked that thread, but did not realize that AP1 was the preorder stuff. Thought it was released at a later date, and that this was some other bonus.

>> No.17654213

>>17651114
thanks anon, you wouldn't happen to have the earlier games from the same company would you? i didn't realize before but looks like their 実況ナマハメ game got them sued by konami for copyright infringement and they lost rights to that and their previous games which aren't for sale anymore. only managed to find their im@s yayoi game but looks like it went through a non-unicode system and the files are mojibake now

>> No.17654231

Did Scaji steal Sakura no Uta from this?
https://vndb.org/v5500

>> No.17654239

>>17654231
obviously

>> No.17654278

>>17649781
>9-nine
First chapter was a let down because it feels (it is) just like an intro. The whole thing was infodumping mixed with the daily life scenes, and the carrot with trying to chase an unknown criminal. Specially the few action scenes and the pacing were so bad. The pet isn't even fun and the foreshadowing of its "evilness" makes the eyes roll back.
Next chapter will have the sister starring and that might turn things much better (she's easily the best character), or maybe the characters start trying to properly use their powers.

The rest, I hope it's ironic.

>> No.17654294

>>17654278
you're so cool

>> No.17654302

>>17654231
That game's artists are ex-Makura staff who worked on the 2008 version of Sakura no Uta. They probably figured it would never come out so it was safe to steal the setting and use it for their new game. I'm actually interested in checking it out sometime to see how deep the plagiarism goes.

>> No.17654349

>>17648865
I'm interested in this too, anyone have it?

>> No.17654723
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17654723

Are you guys doing your reading on a desktop PC or laptop?

>> No.17654742 [DELETED] 

>>17654302
Strangely enough the game has qoutes from Oscar Wilde and it has discussion about happiness and happy life.

>> No.17654763

>>17654723
Desktop PC. Don't leave the house so no need for a laptop.

>> No.17654766

>>17654302
Strangely enough the game has quotes from Oscar Wilde and it has discussion about happiness and happy life.

>> No.17654785

>>17654723
desktop

>> No.17654799

New thread:

>>17654797

>> No.17654801

>>17654723
Might as well ask people what brand of toothpaste they use. They're basically the same (especially for eroge), just more or less convenient depending on whether you move around or not.

I have heard of people playing eroge on a tablet, on the other hand, which sounds cool.

>> No.17654959

>>17648865
>>17654349
It's not actually a deck, just the top 5k words from the "Frequency list of non-grammatical terms" here:

http://wiki.wareya.moe/Frequency_lists

There aren't any definitions in the frequency list itself, so.

It also changes slightly whenever new VNs are added.

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>>17654213
Some are on clubbox

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