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[Anonymous No.]

So is Gilgamesh only so strong with so many swords because of Final Fantasy?

[Anonymous No.]

Quite possibly, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

MORE SWORDS MORE SWORDS

[Anonymous No.]

But nobody gave a fuck about the FF's Gilgameshes. Would that mean Ifrit or Shiva would be oh god what the fuck powerful?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763597

>But nobody gave a fuck about the FF's Gilgameshes.

What the hell are you on?
FFV's Gilgamesh is rated as one of the best characters in the entire series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763597

Ifrits are just a type of Djinni.

Shiva is a god and cannot be a Servant.

Quetzalcoatl, however...
But he was only in FFVIII which got a lot of bad reviews...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763588
Gilgamesh's story is also as old as time too. It doesn't hurt that he's been revered longer than anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763604

It says POPULARITY.

I don't know about you, but the Epic of Gilgamesh is nowhere near things like the Legend of King Arthur (spurred by Monty Python in the new generation...) or the Odyssey (hooray mandatory high school reading).

[Anonymous No.]

According to that, Jesus would be the strongest heroic spirit ever. Probably.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763619
Jesus as Berserker. O SHI-

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763619

Jesus as a Caster > Sorcerers

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763619
Jesus could just make new holy grails by bleeding into various cups.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763626
Jesus would propably fit in to Caster best, I guess.

>>1763622
Are there any limits on who can be summoned as Berserker? Did they have to lose their sanity in their lives? I know the Assassin class has some rules over who can be summoned, just not sure on Berserker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763608

What also matters is how old the myth is, and Gil is as old as they come.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763635

So i can't summon Stalin, right? ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763636

Actually, you probably could.
It said heroes of the present, so you can take people who are still alive.

You'd take the public image of them, not they themselves, though.

You're better off with people who have actual combat capability or mystic history (more special powers = more actual powers) so if you wanted a good Russian you'd try for summoning Rasputin as Caster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763643

>Stalin
>It said heroes of the present, so you can take people who are still alive.

...you lost me.

[Anonymous No.]

This question has probably already been posed before, but what incarnation would suit Vlad the Impaler the best?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763645

I should have said "EVEN people who are still alive".
I didn't mean that in reference to Stalin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763649

umm... lancer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763649
Lancer or Berserker I'd guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763643

Only people who are revered as legends (via accomplishing a great feat, or possessing a weapon only they can use) are recorded in the Throne of Heroes. So I doubt Stalin will make it in, and if he did you'd get someone worse than True Assassin, and that's saying something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763649

Only naturally...

Count Vlad Draculea Tepes III, Regent of all Vampires.

Class: Assassin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763656

so Hitler could be summoned as lancer.
And Stalin is quite legendary in Russia so it fits too.

oh damn... this battle will be EPIC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763656

>via accomplishing a great feat

Well Hitler's famous for 6 million kills; Stalin had something in the range of 21 million.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763643
You know a man is a fucking legend if he has articles written about him and his dick.

Rasputin's dick - S-class Lancer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763678

oh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763678
also did you know when you see Rasputin's penis your impotency will be cured!

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763662
EPHIN WIN RITE XD

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763694

Mock all you want, the numbers say Stalin killed several times the amount Hitler did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763696
Yea cool story bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763696
But leader's aren't remembered for the amount of people they kill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763662

great as in can't be replicated by someone else, they have a mysterious force or are capable of things that are completely unexplainable because of mysteries. so hitler is actually out of the running, and stalin's actions have been documented to much, and we all pray that no one in the future will replicate his kill count.

Plus age of myth thing again, at best you summon him and you're cannon fodder for the grail war.

[Anonymous No.]

what is hitler's noble phantasm

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763705
three words:

spear of destiny.

i know all this is pure 100% bullshit but in anime it HAS to have mystical powers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763713
Blitzkrieg.

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>>1763716

Yes, you could summon Longinus the Roman Soldier as a Lancer and the sheer power of that Noble Phantasm would be able to rock ass, but since Longinus himself isn't very famous or considered very powerful, he would be a fairly weak servant save for "ULTIMATE SPEAR WHICH PIERCES THE DIVINE".

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763604
Regardless of popularity, Gil is the one gods could not kill and killed divine beasts unarmed.
Rin comments that the popularity boost is not enough for someone with a human body and much less mana than most to overpower everyone the way he does.

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>>1763722
I still say Hitler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763731
It was the little kid's drill that you took advantage of and made him dependant on you that did that, not you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763722
>ULTIMATE SPEAR WHICH PIERCES THE DIVINE

i'm sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763732
>It was the little kid's drill that you took advantage of

umm... Kamina = secret pedo?

[Anonymous No.]

The story of Gilgamesh is the oldest scripture we have found on earth and has been retold many times, personally i knew about Gilgamesh before i played F/SN

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763735
More like child laborer.
Simon provides Spiral Energy and makes the mech constantly stronger, while Kamina pulls of the flashy moves and says 'Do not believe in yourself hopeless kid, just believe in me.'

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763735
"Let's join up."
"Fusion."
"I need your drill."

[MolesterJim No.]

>>1763739
It's hard to imagine someone never hearing of Gilgamesh and the fact that his was the first documented epic.
But I can understand people not knowing what the fuck exactly it was about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763729

but with Hitler as servant you will be main villain. It's dangerous - they tend to die.

or you'll be little nazi loli and will be molested by main hero MANY times.

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>>1763722
Thats true, alot of people know of the Spear of Longinus, but not Longinus himself, but knowing the spear, would that count as knowing Longinus himself adding fame making him stronger? or just knowing of a spear that pierced Jebus?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763754

This is one of the story mechanics of Fate/Stay Night: Noble Phantasms.
The Legendary Weapons of a Hero that is intricately entwined with their legends. The more legendary they are, the more legendary the effects are. Excalibur, as wielded by King Arthur, for example, unleashes one of the most fierce attacks in existence.
In Longinus' case, he would have to RELY on his Noble Phantasm, as he would have piss-poor stats beyond it. He also would only have a single Noble Phantasm (some heroes cheat and have a good number of them).

So it better be a one-shot-kill that's BETTER than Gay Bulge.

[Anonymous No.]

fuck the Longinus, where's my Cain?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763745
Holy grail war with:
Hitler
Stalin
Osama
Saddam
Bush
Rudd
Queen

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763770
well guess he can prat not to be summoned by Shirou

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763777
pray*

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763777

god. i imagined this. and mana-replenishing method.

OH GOD MY EYES ARE BLEEDING MAKE ME UNSEE

[Anonymous No.]

so rasputin's dick is pretty much the best noble phatasm ever, as every single woman in the world worships it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763789

especially russian queen.

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>>1763722
and you know hes immortal and such so that would help

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763799

Longinus wasn't immortal...

He lived long and healthy and was cured of blindness from Christ's blood, but that's all.

You're confusing him with The Wandering Jew.

[Anonymous No.]

You're forgetting these former world leaders didn't do actual feats, their armies didn't it for them. Hitler didn't kill XXX amount of people, his subordinates did that for him. He would thus be useless and give his master advice and let him win the grail while he sits back and watches in hopes he can join up with a new master when said one dies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763789
Of course, he's Russia's Greatest Love Machine

[Anonymous No.]

Would Merlin fight Arturia if he was summoned as Caster instead of Medea?
Would he win? He'd know all of Sabers weaknesses...

'cause he'd fit perfectly as a Caster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763914

He'd win hardcore.

A+ magicks, Saber's Magic Resistance would be negated and the necessary range = Saber fucking blows up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763918
So the only hope for saber would be them gettin buddy buddy instead of fighting.

So yeah not likely.
Unless I guess Rin got him instead of getting Archer.

Then MAYBE.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is now about Rasputin's dick in a jar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763914

Win? no.

Caster is considered a inferior servant for a reason, Magic resistance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763939

>>1763918

Merlin as a Caster would have Maximum Magical capability.
Saber's Magic Resistance is A.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763943

Medea have A+ in magical energy.

Merlin would not be as good as Medea for a reason, Merlin lived on the twilight of the Gods Age as Medea lived on the Gods Age ... we can say Merlin was the most powerful mage of its time as Medea was not the most powerful mage of her time but they were different ages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763954
Didn't merlin live backwards in time or something though?

That's gotta take alot of magical power to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763954

Merlin lived in every age.

Merlin lived time BACKWARDS.

He would have S rank Magic.

[Anonymous No.]

No, Merlin origins are ... confusing, there is no indication of anything like that.

Maybe modern fiction make him that way but hell, I read Merlin as the son of a Atlantis and he was a druid ... does not count.

[Anonymous No.]

Saber would probably have a grudge against Merlin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763972

Well that's another thing: Merlin has some of the most obscure and fucked up legends applied to him.

He lives time backwards, he's from Atlantis, he's the son of an Incubus... he would get crazy powers from being incarnated by the Holy Grail, no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763705

In fate/zero wasn't the caster just some random medieval psycho who probably killed about 300people.

If that is servant worthy then fuck it bring on Stalin.

[Anonymous No.]

Zelretch is Merlin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765417
Caster's need a quality called "Eye for Art".

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765430
I've heard completely unfounded theories that made a lot less sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765417
>>random medieval psycho
It was Gilles de Rais, he is pretty famous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765417
>>1765438
Also it's supposed to be one of the signs of the Grail not working how it should due to Ahriman's pollution

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765417
He's the result of the grail being fubar'ed.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

The last thread like this (that I saw. There's probably been others) ended with the only WW2 "hero" that qualifies for a grail war being Erwin Rommel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765430

Same archetype.

Does that make Arc king Arthur then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765463
Oh, right. The Desert Fox.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765472
>The Desert Fox.
Sad truth: If he'd made it into FSN he'd have become a girl. [spoiler|With a tail and fox ears.Or not even a girl, but still with tail and fox ears.[/spoiler]

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763608
It's popularity AND age.

The older a mystery is, the stronger it becomes.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>1765498

I for one welcome out new cute and cuddly loli generalfeldmarschall. Anyways...

The traditional legendary hero test of mandom, fighting in the alps. Check.
Byronic dilemma whether to pursue a military or engineering career. Check.
Rise to prosperity, massive victory, peak of power. Check.
Distrust of an incompetent, cruel liege. Fall from grace. Check.
Died with unfulfilled desires. Check.
Legendary weapon... not checked.
Surrounded by myth and legend even in his own lifetime. Check.

Decent start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765543
>Legendary weapon... not checked.

Japan LOEV the Tiger II tank. Enough, in fact, to bend the rules enough to allow it.

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[Anonymous No.]

According to canon, heroes aren't born on modern times because managing crisis has become an everyday thing; it has less impact on the world than the make-or-break situations of the past. So no 1500 onwards heroes, I guess?
Assassin doesn't count, he isn't even a hero, just a nameless spirit.

[I apologized on 4chan No.]

>>1763659
>Count Vlad Draculea Tepes III, Regent of all Vampires.

I've often wondered how the Grail would interact with old Drac', or indeed any person more famous as an undead than they were alive. I mean, does it take them when they die? Or when they're destroyed after becoming an undead? When they come back as servants do they have their full vampiric powers, or just the abilities they had as a human?

>Class: Assassin.

Umm, more likely Lancer, He is Vlad the Impaler after all, he'd probably make a good Saber as well, he also had magic training when he was alive so he could also make a decent caster. In fact the only classes he probably wouldn't be suited for would be Archer and Bezerker.

Archer's obvious, as for Bezerker, even at his most desperate, Dracula was never really insane. In fact one of the things that made him so dangerous according to Van Helsing in the original book was just how much of Dracula's original instinct survived when he became a vampire.

Lord knows what his noble phantasm would be though.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>1765558

Suppose it would be some sort of "ability to use any weapon to its full potential" or somesuch, akin to Fate/Zero Lancelot. Anyways...

>>1765384

The only historical character suspected to have been the basis of Merlin was a braindamaged musician. Legend is always better than reality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765594

Eh, I said Assassin because Vampires are the kill-you-silently-in-the-night type.

But admittedly Dracula liked his theatrics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763716
>spear of destiny.
Is that like Gungnir?

[Anonymous No.]

Nasuverse has its own set of vampires though, so how Vlad would impact it would be unknown.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>1765594

>Lord knows what his noble phantasm would be though.

Can't remember the name if it had one, but the Impaler's sword (supposedly also wielded by his father and brother) still exists.

[Anonymous No.]

Could Tesla be a servant?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765622

(Odin is a god and couldn't be a Servant...)

Sorta.

Gungnir was Odin's Lance, that would always strike home and such and such.

The Spear of Destiny, AKA The Lance of Longinus, is the weapon that was used to kill Jesus Christ as he was dying on the Cross.
Since EVERYTHING that touches Christ's blood becomes a legendary artifact by default, the Spear of Destiny, which is already granted by it's previous action "the power to pierce the Divine", it would gain an ADDITIONAL level of power in the Nasuverse.

With even more benefits from POPULAR (see: Neon Genesis Evangelion), it would be a formidable Noble Phantasm indeed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765644
>>1765568

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765638
It's heavily implied that Warakia IS Dracula.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765646
I dunno he had a pretty big impact on the world

[Anonymous No.]

>>1763659

>Count Vlad Draculea Tepes III, Regent of all Vampires.

I thought Dracula was actually Tatari in the Nasuverse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765650

No, Wallachia's FIRST (and most recognized) form is BASED on Dracula.

Wallachia nowadays is a phenomena.
Wallachia beforehand was an alchemist.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>1765644

Not sure. But seeing as how Tesla was equal parts brilliant scientist and delusional hocuspocus he'd make a great Master.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765657

>No, Wallachia's FIRST (and most recognized) form is BASED on Dracula.

It was implied that Dracula in the Nasuverse was just an ordinary human, and that the legend of Dracula-as-vampire was actually based on Wallachia's assuming the form of the dead prince.

[Anonymous No.]

Kotomine with Vlad the Impaler.

OHSHIT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765713

Fine.
The Holy Grail materializes the IDEA of the "heroic spirit" and not the actual person themselves.

Dracula would come out as a vampire.

It would also be a combination Servant-True Ancestor WOOOAHHH POWERLEVELS

[I apologized on 4chan No.]

>>1765651
>I thought Dracula was actually Tatari in the Nasuverse.

Which one was Tatari? My Nasuverse is a little shaky on some of the more obscure vampires.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765735
Does the term "KATTO" ring a bell?

[Anonymous No.]

WW2 heroes becoming servants?

It'd have to be that one guy on /v/ who goes around in his lil U-Boat blowing up everything.
What was his name again?

[I apologized on 4chan No.]

>>1765714
>Kotomine with Vlad the Impaler.

And then someone else summons Abram Van Helsing. Then the shit is well and truly on.
And if his character was done even close to how he was in the book then he'd be the most manly fuckawesome servant ever. With a Noble Phantasm that can restrict the movements of things already dead. Like Servants.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT alternative servants than F/SN

Saber = The Count of Monte Cristo
Archer = Robin Hood
Lancer = Telamonian Ajax
Caster = Rasputin
Assassin = Simo Hayha
Berserker = Genghis Khan
Rider = Theodore Roosevelt

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765755
>With a Noble Phantasm that can restrict the movements of things already dead. Like Servants.

Except that wouldn't work on either Gil or Saber. Gil is alive again for all intents and purposes and Saber never really died.

[Anonymous No.]

lu bu would be a cool servant. especially in the form of a loli.

[I apologized on 4chan No.]

>>1765760
>Berserker = Genghis Khan
>Rider = Theodore Roosevelt

I think you might have these two mixed up.

[Anonymous No.]

i'd like to elect og the first caveman as the servant berserker.

he just fits the bill perfectly.

og, with his might club of +10 dinosaur slaying, would kill all opposition on the first day of the grail war.

and then he'd kill his master 'cause that fuckers crazy as hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765774
Really, you gotta give Nasu props for not raping Romance of the Three Kingdoms like everyone else in Japan for a change (and raping other random mythology instead)

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765776

Other than Assassin, those two gave me the most trouble of where to assign them as they both fit Berserk and Rider categories pretty well. Heck, Genghis would probably qualify for Archer as well.

[Anonymous No.]

so what would a person have to do in this day and age to become legendary enough to qualify to be a servant?

Be a master of Hokuto no Ken?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765755

Or Archer just traces Vampire Killer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765795
Soma is basically gilgamesh reincarnated.
Considering all the fucking magical swords he gets and carrys around, he's just gotta have gate of babylon to store em all.

He even gets his hands on the sword in the stone.
While it's still in the stone.

[I apologized on 4chan No.]

>>1765772
>Except that wouldn't work on either Gil or Saber. Gil is alive again for all intents and purposes and Saber never really died.

I'm fine with that. No point in making him ridiculously overpowered afterall.

Unlike Gil, where it was sort of the point.

To be fair, the whole sanctifying of holy ground thing sounds more like an ability than a NP, he'd probably have something like the Severed Head of Mina Harker, that allows him to track things through remote viewing.

>lu bu would be a cool servant. especially in the form of a loli.

DO NOT PERSUE THE IDEA OF LU-BU AS A LOLI.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765760
Not a bad list.

I still want my Rider Red Baron, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765800
But isn't Soma a male version of Sion?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765799

I tried to pick people who wouldn't be too limited to only one thing related to their class, which I practically failed with Assassin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765812
what.
no.
we are not doing this.
this is not a type-moon/castlevania crossover with servants ,okay?

just no.
fuck you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765820
> which I practically failed with Assassin.

You already failed enough with Assassin, since by definition Assassin can only be one of the Hassans unless major hax are involved (i.e., having a witch from the golden age of magic be the summoner), and even then you'd end up with a gimped Servant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765836

Well, I felt a bit silly to just re-include someone that nasu had already put into the VN.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

Hassan is shapeless and rather uncontrollable by default, so basically you can say any unsolved murder for the past thousand years may have been his doing.
Perhaps even as a little dog-loving Finnish sniper.

[Anonymous No.]

If dracula was a servant, what do you think he'd wish for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1765896
His dead wife.

[Anonymous No.]

JACK THE RIPPER as ASSASSIN

[I apologized on 4chan No.]

>>1765896

If it was the movie or Casltevania Drac then yes. Original Book Drac would probably just wish for PHOENOMINAL COSMIC POWER.