don't post here if you don't want to be spoiled

[Anonymous No.]

This is Matara's very first thread!

[Anonymous No.]

I want to enter Matara's backdoor!

[Anonymous No.]

How powerful is she anyway? I mean, because she doesn't look like someone able to beat the cock in a straight fight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457569
Noone can beat the cock.

[Anonymous No.]

Download where?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457512
What kind of ability is making doors? In what situation would you use this?

[ANON X No.]

>>17457512
so the storm gets a new rider then?

[Anonymous No.]

She looks like Koishi with rainbow flames. What the fuck is this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457576

[Anonymous No.]

>spoiled
Oh no I saw a girl wearing a silly hat, the game is ruined for me now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457663
Some people are really autistic about this sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457512
Isn't the power of creating doors sound like a poor man's version of Yukari's ability to open gaps?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457512
Hello, Junko 2.0

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457512
>so strong that she's two bosses
Anal newhu is great.

[Anonymous No.]

She sounds pretty damn interesting. If only her design wasn't so horrible.

[Anonymous No.]

Edit when?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457569
No one beats the cock and you know it, but unless there's hierarchy among the sages, she's Yukari level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17458125

[Anonymous No.]

>>17458125

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that Matara is literally made for anal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457586
She's half russian

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457512
Matara is a doork!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457586
Locked out of the house?
New door!
Locked out of the car?
New door!
Want to open your or someone else's heart?
New door!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457586
I assume her ability allows her to create doors which lead to anywhere she wants. So She used it to creates doors to the other seasons and left them open all over Gensokyo, the perfect plan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17458479
Lost it блядь

[Anonymous No.]

No releases allowed
Power fixed at 0.00
Changes depending on your season
Why is her final card so good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17458576
>I assume her ability allows her to create doors which lead to anywhere she wants. So She used it to creates doors to the other seasons and left them open all over Gensokyo, the perfect plan.
I think what makes her different from Yukari's portals, is that the doors are pretty permanent. Like, once she makes a door she can walk away and the door will stay there without her maintaining it.

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>>17457899
If anything it was took straight out of a One Piece jobber

[Anonymous No.]

>>17459487
Now we have the gimmick for a new generation of shitty OUTSIDER ENTERS GENSOKYO stories born out of that trash.

Player2 Junko is pure shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457512
Her stage 6 fight is pretty cool and the twist for the final spellcard is great.
I like this newhu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17459487
They also aren't normal doors, they're backdoors.

[Anonymous No.]

If this is Matara's very first thread...

Would this be Matara's very first lewd?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457663
desu I'd be pissed if I was spoiled of Hecate or Clownpiece, seeing both in game made me lose several lives just laughing. A recurring boss or something would also be annoying to get spoiled of.

Actual normal stuff don't bother me much, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17459544
She is the hacker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17459553
There's already a doodle on Pixiv of her taking it in the can.

[Anonymous No.]

Matara is Yukari

[Anonymous No.]

>>17459613
Post it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17459616
Matara is god-yukari and Yukari is youkai-matara
both sages
Kasen is also a sage

[Anonymous No.]

>>17459613
sauce?

[Anonymous No.]

Matara and Yukari actually same person...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17459613
You called?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17459688
I think I saw that on danbooru if I recall correctly, but I disregarded it as "lewd" material.

[Anonymous No.]

>*teleports behind you*
no thank you

[Anonymous No.]

Kasen, Yukari, and Matara all wear tabards. Is this supposed to be a theme among the sages?

[Anonymous No.]

So is she the strongest character in the game so far?
This is the only time ever you canonly lose to a character when you fight them

[Anonymous No.]

>>17459758
Her tabard has the most complicated pattern. Maybe she most powerful among them?

[Anonymous No.]

New Touhou is literally Doraemon

[Anonymous No.]

How fucking powerful is she?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461092
She helped establish Gensokyo

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457512
touhou really is reclining

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461092
According to Clarste's translations, she's a goddess that happens to be one of the sages of Gensokyo. Her role is the protection of Gensokyo from the outside world and anything that tries to control it. Another thing is that she is referred as the goddess who lurks in the back of things so she can be seen as a god of many things like a Noh god, a star god, a mother goddess, etc, hence why she is the "hidden" goddess, in a sense where she has many faces and nobody knows her true form.

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>>17461222
Who's the other sages?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461311
Yukari and possibly Kasen, thus far
so it's a trio for now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461311
Yukari and Kasen

[Anonymous No.]

We need some translators.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461314
>>17461319
>Kasen

Wait what? I thought she is just one of the obvious Deva Oni. Where do you get this information?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461314
>>17461319
But what about Yuuka

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461336
The WaHH manga IIRC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461340
who knows

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461340
She's just a crusty old hag

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461336
She can be both you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461336

[Anonymous No.]

The important question is what body type is she?
Loli? Teen? Hag? I vote for self-entitled loli.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461512
I think loli is better to not overlap with Junko even though I prefer petite Junko a lot. I also think this setting is perfect for a new manga series especially since FS is over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461512
teenhag

[Anonymous No.]

>>17458125
>>17458154

[Anonymous No.]

I hope ZUN gives her the Hecatia treatment where her primary ability doesn't reflect her true strength. If Hecatia manages to be the strongest 2hu with the ability to have three bodies, I'd imagine Okina could be one of the strongest in Gensokyo with her ability.

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>>17461636
Nicely done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461636
This is what I am talking about.

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>>17461222
That's... rather traditionally godly, actually. I'm surprised.

Just you wait until people misinterpret her as a god Nue, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461336
Originally revealed on Marisa's route in ULiL. Kasen revealed she had a administrator spell command override which gave her backdoor access to the Great Hakurei Barrier. Nobody could know that except one of the Gensokyan Sages who created the place.

Then later on in WaHH it's confirmed when Yukari just outright calls Kasen one of the Gensokyo Sages and her equal who created the place. It's hinted in various chapters though Kasen left after the creation of the Great Hakurei Barrier. When she returned she's pretty pissed off with Yukari's administration which goes against Kasen's intentions.

http://clarste.tumblr.com/post/150620735956/i-am-going-to-geek-out-about-wahh-35-here-spoiler

[Anonymous No.]

>>17459758
Huh, you're right. I wonder if it's supposed to mean something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461695
>backdoor access

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461740

i like where this is going

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461740
Does Matara let Kasen access her backdoor?

[Anonymous No.]

NEw benben and not benben worst newhus.
Even their song sucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457512
I can't read Japanese so I'm asking what's the story that led her to be the stage 6 and extra boss? I've been told that she beats the protagonists and that the extra was a rematch. Can anybody elaborate on what exactly happened?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461961
She doesn't beat them, the doors on their backs automatically teleport them out of the battlefield after enough magic power has been gathered back to the season location they had collected. To counter this, they start gathering the boundary between seasons, which means there's no location to teleport them to, they then fight Okina again and beat her. Okina is even powered up compared to last time so it's double proof that the heroines are indeed stronger than her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462006
Thanks man

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462006
Feels a bit strange that Cirno is able to one of the strongest (if not the strongest) characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462054
I'm not sure she's really one of the strongest per se and more one of the highest ranked and more important characters.

Plus, the spellcard rules lets even the weakest beat the strongest, that's the whole point. That's why Reimu and Marisa lose so many times in the fighting games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462054
She's empowered so she got a (huge) boost of power, maybe. The last time the protagonists fought Cirno was in DDC where she was a Stage 1 midboss. I forgot if Seija fought her in ISC or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462006
Danmaku doesn't rely on power you know.
If anything they are just smarter at the game than her, but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462054
>>17462065
she definitely isn't the strongest however, take in consideration that in fairy wars she merely fends off marisa rather than defeating her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462068
Stage appearance =/= power level

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462080
She's stronger in this game remember?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462078
Cirno is dumb as a brick, there has to be more in it than just intelligence. There's also agility, reaction, bullet patterns and some power involved too, since the bullets are based on your abilities (eg: mystia's darkness or okuu's suns).

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>>17462087
not necessarily, wouldn't you consider her much much more powerful if she had the power to bring down yuuka (of all people), the yama and komachi in pofv?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462099
Still, Danmaku isn't a power game, if it was then Reimu would just pull Fantasy Heaven and Yukari flips some subjective "boundary between defeat" and wins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462085
Well, yeah. That's why nobody complained why Yuyuko was the stage 1 boss in TD. The point I'm trying to make is that the normal, not empowered Cirno can be considered as a minor foe and the brown Cirno is more powerful.

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>>17462099
Also Cirno's freezing abilities in FW, Reimu's Fantasy Heaven, Satori's mind reading and Yukari's gaps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462104
Nobody said it's purely powerlevel based, after all, the spellcard rules were made just for that. However it's certainly not something as simple as "smarter at the game than her", power is also involved as I said, just that it's not the defining factor. I'd say it's more a combination of multiple aspects.

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>>17462115
>>17462104
>>17462078
Which also explains why Yorihime beat everyone in her very first spellcard battle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457512
She beated the poor miko?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462135
not quite.
>>17462006

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462131
Yorihime cheated and did not even follow the spellcard rules

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462161
A victory's a victory, chump.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462006
To be fair at the point this happens Okina's spellcard strips the character of all of their power so it's implied to basically be a losing battle anyway.

>>17462054
Cirno in canon is stupidly strong only for a Fairy which are super weak to begin with so she's still kind of harmless.

TH16 is different due to the nature of the incident and Fairies being intricately linked to nature/seasons that it has temporarily boosted Cirno to one of the most powerful beings in Gensokyo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462161
She did?

[Anonymous No.]

Just like Mamizou's trigger button is getting called an old hag, Okina's seems to be being called a youkai. She has a lot of pride for her god status.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457512
She seems like kind of a Yukari ripoff.
And Eirin (stars)
And Junko (tails)
And Kanako (mirror)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461340
Yuuka is the new Mima

[Anonymous No.]

And of course the very last line after the battle in the extra stage is Okina going to a tea party with Reimu.

It's like everyone knows the tradition by heart. Your incident has been stopped by the shrine maiden? Off to drink tea with her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457512
I really want to see her interactions with Yukari. Are they friends? Enemies? Senpai/kohai? Tea drinking buddies? I hope ZUN makes something like an article on SCoOW or reference her in WaHH.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462212
Well, she's a sage of Gensokyo. She probably knows the traditions and rules and whatnot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462168
The "spellcard" (which is actually just the doors on their backs doing their thing) weakens them so it's not certain, especially since ontop of that it also automatically kicks them out so there's no way of knowing the outcome.

Plus Okina is stronger in the ex stage than last time yet she still gets clobbered.

[Anonymous No.]

Okina's profile says she's just an attention whore, despite her role as a secret god stating that she must not be seen ever. Not only does she irresponsibly make public appearances from time to time but this whole incident apparently was just to make herself known to everyone even if it meant creating seasonal chaos and pissing off people.

[Anonymous No.]

I always assume that you fight the final boss together with the other playable characters in every game, excluding the Phantasmagoria of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462103
>bring down yuuka (of all people), the yama and komachi in pofv
Have you played the game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462260
Not in UFO at least, it may be the case here and in LoLK.

[Anonymous No.]

You know what would've been better?
If we had a proper extra boss, and Matara was the phantasm boss instead.
It would make sense since she is a sage and even has a power vaguely similar to Yukari, it would feel like a throwback, HSiFS's incident even is related to the seasons (even if not as complex), just like PCB.

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>>17462260
Don't think that ever happens, especially when the books or extra stage backstory usually confirm it's Reimu, like in TD. The only time it's been confirmed that it's not her is in UFO where ZUN says it was Marisa's route the one that happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462103
>when someone says Yuuka "lost" any fight in PoFV

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462297
Obviously she was just pretending! Strongest youkai would never lose!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462273
>HSiFS's incident even is related to the seasons (even if not as complex), just like PCB.
I meant:
>PCB's incident even is related to the seasons (even if not as complex), just like HSiFS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462302
Did you even play the game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462325
What about it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462331
Anytime you pass Yuuka as a different character they're just running away from her, she's never beaten. In fact the only time she even seems annoyed by them is with Medicine

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462343
>Anytime you pass Yuuka as a different character they're just running away from her, she's never beaten.
But she is beaten, for example by Medicine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462242
>clobbered
She doesn't even get scratched, just figures to not fight anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462347
I wouldnt consider "dodged for 3 minutes" to be beaten.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462357
Don't try to grasp at straws, Medicine beats her whether you like it or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462343
Reimu and Marisa beat her if what Akyuu says is true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462242
>Plus Okina is stronger in the ex stage than last time yet she still gets clobbered.
Yeah but at the same time the protag character gets a reprieve and time to prep for the rematch too which they do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462364
LLS happened, where she's beaten twice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462357
Medicine explicitly says "It feels great to defeat living things. " after beating Yuuka.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462362
It's only grasping at straws to consider anything in PoFV as beating her.

>>17462368
Agreed

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462368
Well, ackchyually stage 5 was Yuuka understimating you, so only time she was defeated at full power was stage 6.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462376
She's referring to the flowers she poisoned
Yuuka just wanted her out

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462383
Half asleep isnt "underestimating"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461527
There can never be too much hags. There can never be too much lolis either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462402
Matara looks young in her ZUN art.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462402
While I like hags, she just doesn't seem to belong there.

>>17462400
>Whoops, looks like I underestimated you!
>I should retreat for now!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462435
Fair enough, she didn't bother waking up fully first because of the underestimation.
Though I'm pretty sure she wasnt even at full power on the next stage either. We all know how slow she is, so I find it hard to believe she'd fully woken up in that timespan even then.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462513
delete this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462446
Seeing >>17462513, maybe you're right.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462614
hater pls go

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462641
нет

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461332
In summary, Junko is told that they're short on actresses, so they need her to dress up differently and be someone different for the final boss. The last panel has her shouting if Chang'e is watching.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461092
Disgusting, the hagification has already begun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457512
Looking at some fanart has made me warm up to her design to a certain extent, at first i thought she looked like an OC who is literally Junko with a recolor and a few small differences, but now that i looked at some fanart and gave her official design a closer look, she gives off a very different vibe so to speak than Junko, i can't really put it into words, does anyone else feel the same?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462886

Definitely. Zun -is- still quite inexperienced at art compared to so many of the fandom's fanartists, so it's usually best to leave character expectations after some artists draw the newhus. Least that's how I felt with people like Junko.

[Anonymous No.]

Junko is reclining!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462886
They have similar hair and are both in old asian noble dress (even if from different places) so it's unavoidable that people will think they have a resemblance. The real mess-up is the front of her shirt hanging straight down the center of the sprite, I think that the silhouette of it bears a very strong resemblance to the bottom of Junko's dress. They're both powerful last boss figures, so there's going to be some overall thematic resemblance, but I think if ZUN adjusted her sprite's angle then there wouldn't be nearly as much association between the two.

Overall I think she most resembles LLS Yuuka though, particularly that you fight her two stages in a row, that the first time she's in a non-serious mode and holding a prop of sorts, and second time in a proper battle. Also that her first boss theme is better than her second.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462951
Junko's new daughteru is cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462990
I'm surprised less people associate her with Hecatia. The four season tails things really reminds me of her three planets.

[Anonymous No.]

More people should portray her like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17463011
So what you're saying is that Hecatia fugged Junko and caused Junko to give birth to Okina?

[Anonymous No.]

She's the mysterious hacker who always finds a backdoor.

[Anonymous No.]

Whoah... Four tails... Four seasons... Four leaves... Four heroines... Four sages... She also hacks you in the extra stage.
...Yet only shows three doors in her extra splash? Something is missing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17460533
more of this please

[Anonymous No.]

>>17463363
I can't moon but I thought that was exactly what this image >>17462990 implied as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462886
Yeah i'm feeling the exact same thing

[Anonymous No.]

hey guys, so, what's the requirements to get the extra stage when playing on Easy ?

Pls help and don't bully

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461923
Nu-BenBen is OK with her doremy-level smug but NotMai is shit and weird and ugly.
Their song is decent but it lacked climax

[Anonymous No.]

>>17463432
The fourth door is your computer screen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464032
Or the secret NSA backdoor the game installs on your computer.

Why do you think it comes with an installer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17463793
Please don't misuse the spoiler function.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17463793

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462988
What if ZUN wanted Junko and Okina to be a bit similar? Like how Okina's final spell (EX) is named "Anarchy Bullet Hell" as a nod to Junko's "Purely Bullet Hell".
Also, I like to think ZUN consciously made her theme resemble Necrofantasia in some parts (though it's pretty obvious why)

>>17464299
I know this is a joke but you do know it right? Touhou games have always come with an installer all the way back from PCB.

>>17463432
Okina-chan...Four...mysterious hacker....uh, my head...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462988
What if ZUN wanted Junko and Okina to be a bit similar? Like how Okina's final spell (EX) is named "Anarchy Bullet Hell" as a nod to Junko's "Purely Bullet Hell".
Also, I like to think ZUN consciously made her theme resemble Necrofantasia in some parts (though it's pretty obvious why)

>>17464299
I know this is a joke but you do know it right? Touhou games have always come with an installer all the way back from PCB.

>>17463432
Okina-chan...Four leaves...hacker....uh, my head...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457586
It's like in the second Matrix movie

[Anonymous No.]

>>17461740
>breasts
absolutely disgusting

[Anonymous No.]

From the wiki

Minor Relationships
Yukari Yakumo
Another one of the youkai sages. It's implied in Reimu's extra stage in Hidden Star in Four Seasons that the two are familiar with each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464984
But while humans fear/hate Yukari because she's a Youkai, Okina is loved because of her status as a God

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464870
Are we going to get a "Lawful Bullet Hell" next?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462886
>but now that i looked at some fanart and gave her official design a closer look, she gives off a very different vibe so to speak than Junko, i can't really put it into words, does anyone else feel the same?
One thing you have to realise is that she physically is surprisingly accurate to Buddhist canon. The hat, the hunting boots, the Big Dipper, and the drum she is holding are all official descriptors of Matarajin.

Compare to her, Junko had next to no physical similarities with her own historical origins.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462886
Yeah. Once you get past her appearance, she's nothing like Junko. Her personality is way too different and her expressions are more varied. I personally think her personality is a mixture of Yukari and Kanako's personality.

[Anonymous No.]

She's a parody on Trump.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462273
I completely disagree.
>final boss steals the power you've been using all game (which was a trap laid by her) and uses it against you
>you fuck right off
>you come back with a power she can't steal for revenge, she gets serious, and you beat the shit right out of her
ZUN did it amazingly well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17463793
Don't you fucking tell me you can't 1cc the game on Easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17465690
The only Trumphu is Clown Piece


Make Gensokyo Great Again

[Anonymous No.]

>>17465874
ugh

[Anonymous No.]

>>17465880
like, can you not?????

[Anonymous No.]

>>17466533
*groanzone*

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457512
Did anyone spot any hot 2chan memes or reaction faces of this newhu?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462990
Loli Okina> Hag Okina

[Anonymous No.]

>>17466569
Probably not. I've recently watched an LNN LoLK playthrough and noticed the faces at LoLK are just plain wrong. The faces here are a lot more expressive and natural compared to the stiff faces at LoLK.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

I read on futaba that there's a hack you can do to make Mima appear in game. Her assets are already in the game files for some odd reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462411
Everyone looks the same age in Zun art, some characters like Cirno just have shorter limbs or it's the angle that makes their face look loli like Junko and Okina looking down on you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17466621
Kanako looks old.

[Anonymous No.]

Help, my wife Junko's sister tries to use my backdoor!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17466643
Stop posting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17466595
So, she is Doraemon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17466646
DON'T BULLY

[Anonymous No.]

Okina Matara! What a wonderful phrase!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17466672
Hakuna Matata

[Anonymous No.]

>Reimu gets terribly outsmarted
>She just forgets it and goes "doesn't count"
>Then beats her, with Yukari's help, and goes "who cares what the incident did or why?"
What a meathead.

[Anonymous No.]

With the way Okina talks I can only imagine her as a loli who's full of her self.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17466834
>>Reimu gets terribly outsmarted
I wouldn't call a trick that teleports you out "terribly outsmarted", especially since she figures it out after it happens.
>She just forgets it and goes "doesn't count"
Clearly she doesn't forget it considering she comes back with a strategy to nullify that cheap trick.
>and goes "who cares what the incident did or why?"
?
That didn't happen, unless you're talking about her not understanding how the season gathering works exactly. Okina herself says it's beyond human comprehension.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17466845
Plus Okina's stronger than before (even says so herself) yet she's still beaten, almost like her whole thing was just teleporting people out of the battlefield and calling it a win by default. She's cowardly and even in her powered up form she can't even beat Cirno.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17466845
>Honestly, I don't really understand the logic behind it either?
>Like, what's with all of this? Doors on people's backs, seasonal weaponry, berserk life force, blah blah blah...
>Trying to understand all this ridiculous
youkai theory is just impossible, if you ask me!
Not to mention even a trick that teleports you out is dangerous when your entire job needs you being there, and she didn't even come out with the solution herself. If Reimu keeps neglecting her training and her brain because "I'm the strongest anyway" she'll live and die as Yukari's pawn. Like a red Cirno.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17466583
this

[Anonymous No.]

>>17466843
But she's a sage. All sages should be hags as a rule.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17467056
We need a loli to counterbalance the semen demons she will get paired with (Junk, SukimaBBA and Inran Pink).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17462006
Spellcard system is literally giving Reimu 300% chances to win so it doesn't count

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>>17466868
By that logic Reimu is the strongest being in Gensokyo because she canonically beats every game. That's silly.

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>>17467168
Not all of them. Marisa solved UFO, and Reisen solved LoLK.

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>>17461222
So she is Yukari up to eleven?

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Reimu is the most powerful Touhou because she is the protagonist. No matter how powerful someone else is, if they try to destroy Gensokyo i.e. make Reimu fight seriously, they are guaranteed to lose because the narrative requires it.

[Anonymous No.]

Okina opens the door to my heart!!

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>>17468058
Well she's evidently far more powerful than Yukari given her job is being the actual power behind defending Gensokyo whilst Yukari's job is merely to maintain it.

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>>17466845
>I wouldn't call a trick that teleports you out "terribly outsmarted", especially since she figures it out after it happens.

Whether she figured out the trick after falling for it is irrelevant. She was outsmarted by virtue of the fact that she fell for it in the first place.

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Okaina power not known yet, but Yukari can successfully take things from the Lunar Capital, something Hecatia and Junko have failed to do (repeatedly according to LoLK Omake)

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>>17468579
She didn't take it though, her friend did.

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>>17457586
"You posted ass thrice"

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>>17468591
Yukari told her to, look at CiLR final chapter

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Cage_in_Lunatic_Runagate/Last_Chapter

Also, Lunarians were pieces on Yukari's game board since chapter 1 - training Reimu in god summoning was planned by Yukari to piss off the mooners and set the whole thing into motion (also in that CiLR chapter)

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>>17467129
False, Reimu loses a lot, see: the versus games. Plus Reimu's beaten the goddess creator of Makai before the spellcard rules anyhow, back when she was weaker and couldn't even fly on her own.

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>>17468512
I don't see how that would mean that she's more powerful than Yukari. Hell if anything this game has made her out to be a weakling since even her powered up form in the extra stage gets outsmarted by fucking Cirno.

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>>17467929
>and Reisen solved LoLK.
Where did you get this from?

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>>17466897
Yes? That's what I was referring to. Nothing about "who cares what the incident did and why". She in fact mentions how Okina SHOULD have done things instead, by carrying out regular job interviews. Also again, Okina herself agrees with her saying it's beyond human comprehension. This has nothing to do with training considering there's zero power involved as Reimu trashed Okina's powered up form. Is Aya also a dumb for being "outsmarted" by a power she had no idea about?
>Not to mention even a trick that teleports you out is dangerous when your entire job needs you being there,
Obviously, but what matters is that it's just a trick and the issue was solved, regardless of whom she needed help from.
>>17468552
>Whether she figured out the trick after falling for it is irrelevant.
Of course it isn't. It's something that nobody had any idea about and it happened out of the blue. If Cirno suddenly adquired the power of gaps without anyone knowing and teleported Eirin out of the way in the middle of battle, is Cirno smarter than Eirin?

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>>17466759
Uchiha Madara.

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>>17467168
I don't see how that logic applies to your post.

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>>17466897
>and she didn't even come out with the solution herself. If Reimu keeps neglecting her training and her brain because "I'm the strongest anyway" she'll live and die as Yukari's pawn. Like a red Cirno.
You're making mountains out of molehills, since when is she not allowed to get help from others to solve an issue? Have you not read the manga? Most chapters involving incidents include someone else teaching something to her, like Kasen telling her why exactly did the events of the chapter happened. She is a human teenage girl, not a millenia old hag sage.

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>>17468702
The final Touhou game will be the final battle between the Lunar Capital and Gensokyo.

ZUN will bring back the pair system with these 10 pairs.

1-Reimu-Yukari
2-Marisa-Mima
3-Sakuya-Remilia
4-Yuyuko-Youmu
5-Sanae-Kanako
6-Futo-Miko
7-Kosuzu-Mamizou
8-Reisen-Junko
9-Sumireko-Kasen
10-New Character introduced in Touhou 16.5-Okina.

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>>17468873
>Final battle between Lunar Capital and Gensokyo
>Doesn't have Mokou in it
Mokou fits more as a partner for Sumireko.

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>>17468970
>>Doesn't have Mokou in it
who cares lmao.

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>>17468873
There won't be a "final" Touhou game, the last Touhou game will probably only be the last game because either ZUN will have died before he could make another or he lost interest in making new ones.

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>>17468970
Mokou hates Kaguya, not all Lunarians are Kaguya

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>>17468975
Only to be succeeded by his illegitimate son, kamS.

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>>17468718
Fucking Cirno who has been powered-up to all hell, mind.

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>>17469095
All fairies have been powered up, but Eternity still got her anus pummeled.

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>>17469122
Cirno is much more powerful than other fairies to begin with.

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>>17469148
hello.

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>>17469122
I did a quick search for this and was disappointed that nobody seems to have drawn Eternity doing anal yet.

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>>17469157
There isn't much art of the 3 demo bosses in the first place compared to other demo bosses around this time after their reveal, they seem unpopular.

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>>17468873
Mimafags, everyone.

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>>17469156
I just wonder what Clownpiece was doing when she got powered up.

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>>17469156
Cirno will also beat that lampad and not a fairy in GFW 2. Cirno beat the sun. She can certainly freeze hell too.

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>>17469324
>beat the sun
If I recall correctly Cirno escaped before she melted in the reactor and Okuu was about to attack her again but her dialogue was cut midway through as she noticed that Cirno was gone.

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>>17469222
If she's still purified from Junko, she probably couldn't get any stronger. She was probably testing her strength against the 3 powered up fairies of light.

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>>17468987
Mokou hates Kaguya, the Lunarians exiled Kaguya so therefor Mokou is a Lunariboo and a spy

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>>17469351
sounds legit.

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>>17469340
There was also Sunny's sunlight and the actual sun in this game as her title suggests. If she doesn't melt under the full force of the sun, she won't melt from hellfire.

Also Cirno's more used to fighting than CP in general and has that advantage. She's probably smarter than her too, though that doesn't say much.

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>>17466583
She's canon DFC. You can clearly see her naked, bare chest after beating Extra.
Haglovers have no way out of this. They may have ruined Junko's perfectly cute childish appearance, but they can't ruin Okina.

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>>17469344
>If she's still purified from Junko, she probably couldn't get any stronger.
Yeah, it's like Shonen power boosts. You reach your maximum potential and you can't stack boosts beyond that.

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>>17469383
There's a very clear difference from just being out in the open during daylight and being inside a nuclear reactor with someone throwing suns in your face.

Cirno herself says she can't take the heat and escapes before the battle finishes. Also no, CP is clearly smarter. Cirno is so dumb she's even dumber than the 3 light fairies as shown in the manga, and the 3 light fairies are fucking stupid.

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>>17468987
Lunarians need to get their shit kicked in just like Kaguya and Mokou's the perfect one to do it.

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>>17469399
>Haglovers have no way out of this.
They'll find one. They always do.

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>>17466658
>could have put "pure furies" as the memetext
>fucked it up in favor of another meme
Damn neo-memers have no creativity.

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>>17467056
Are you new to this, anon? Lolihags are possible and one of the greatest things in this world.
Look "Towako" up in your favorite porn manga site and enjoy the example.

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>>17469399
Junko was a canon mother though. So having a hag's body was fitting.

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>>17469468
so was suwako.

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>>17469475
She had to squeeze the child out from her unchanging loli body. She clearly had a loli's body anyway during Hisoutensoku.

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Okina looks really tall in her portrait, particularly the stage 6 one, it's just the head that looks like a little girl's, but then again every single other ZUNart also has a little girl's face no matter how old they are.

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I hope Okina appears in the next WaHH chapter.

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>>17468744
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Legacy_of_Lunatic_Kingdom_interview_with_ZUN

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>>17468775
>It's something that nobody had any idea about and it happened out of the blue. If Cirno suddenly adquired the power of gaps without anyone knowing and teleported Eirin out of the way in the middle of battle, is Cirno smarter than Eirin?

Considering "Eirin", by this point, should have known something weird was going on, known that these "gaps" were involved, and having jumped into one of those very "gaps" discovers that "Cirno" is responsible for them? Or that "Cirno", making it abundantly clear she has something up her sleeve, flat-out tells "Eirin" that "I can make gaps and you have a gap on you and you can't possibly win because I put a gap on you"? And, despite all of this, "Eirin" ignores the blatant warning signs "Cirno" is putting up, and tries to fight her like normal?

Yes, in that case "Cirno" would, relatively speaking, be smarter than "Eirin".

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>>17470107
>I hope Okina appears in the next WaHH chapter.
Why would a Buddhist deity embrace a Taoist who betrayed his Buddhist origins?

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>>17470331
Because some people interpretations of Matarajin's myth have him and Hata no Kawakatsu being the same person.

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>>17470355
>Because some people interpretations of Matarajin's myth have him and Hata no Kawakatsu being the same person.
They would have become best of friends if we are talking about the historical Prince Shōtoku. But the Touhou version is different and it just doesn't mix well. I am not sure making the main representative of Taoism in Gensokyo the historical founder of Japanese Buddhism, was a good idea. It mixes things up too much.

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>>17469475
And that's hot.

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>>17470262
>by this point, should have known something weird was going on, known that these "gaps" were involved, and having jumped into one of those very "gaps" discovers that "Cirno" is responsible for them?
You're gonna tell me that entering one of the doors should instantly tell you that they a) suck out your gathered power and b) they automatically teleport you back out?
>"Eirin" that "I can make gaps and you have a gap on you and you can't possibly win because I put a gap on you"?
There's nothing to say that this isn't just someone bragging about their abilities. And gaps are a known, beatable concept. This is about Cirno suddenly adquiring these powers without telling anyone hence why it'd even work on someone. Plus the way Okina is beaten is still while having a door on the heroine's back so she was wrong about that statement.

Previous bosses have also talked condescendingly to the heroine and still lost. There's nothing wrong in trying to beat her because you either succeed or you try to find out how to after seeing what she can do. What are you saying, that the heroine shouldn't have fought her? Trusted her enemy's words (which turned out to be wrong as said before)? Cowardly ran away? Because there's absolutely nothing they could do at that point even if they learned about what the doors do prior to being teleported out.

And that's the thing, Okina was beaten in the end, so what's this whole ordeal about?

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>>17472188
>And that's the thing, Okina was beaten in the end, so what's this whole ordeal about?
Well Reimu got help from Yukari.
Maria didn't get help, she worked out how to win on her own.
I am not sure but I think Aya figured it out on her own too.

Cirno? Cirno had no idea what she was dealing with. Goddess Eternity, disguised as a fairy, helped Cirno out so she could safely re-engage with EXTRA stage. Cirno never once figure out how her gap-between-seasons is. It was Okina vs Eternity, known foes of the past.

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>>17469344
>>17469222
>>17469400
Stop thinking Junko's purification of Clownpiece increased her power. Junko refined her into a being of sheer lifeforce. She herself is simply powerful (of course she is, she's the primary henchman of the strongest character in the series), but the lifeforce aspect made her literally unapproachable for Lunarians. I dunno why this has been so often confused. All the fairies were refined to stop the Lunarians, that was the plan (and also why Clownpiece is baffled that she loses in LoLK, because according to the plan the purification essentially had made her untouchable).

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>>17470194
He didn't say that her route is the canon one, just that her good ending explains Junko's motivations.

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>>17469222
I >>17472265 did not actually mean to quote you

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>>17469383
Clownpiece is from motherfucking HELL, where the strong win and the weak are destroyed. There's no reason to think she has no experience fighting, especially after Hecatia's interview where she's praising her tough fairy consort.

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>>17472265
>the strongest character in the series
Yukari?

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>>17472276

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>>17472265
Since when is Junko the strongest character? She got beaten twice, the latter of which while she was paired with the goddess of hell.

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>>17472276
Hecatia can stomp Yukari in three different parts anytime.

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>>17472287
>Since when is Junko the strongest character?
Hecatia. Hecatia you baka.

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>>17472290
Okay why is Hecatia the strongest character?

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>>17472292
Because ZUN said so.

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>>17472294
Where? And some strong character she is if she still gets wrecked by the usual bunch.

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>>17472298
>Where?
Strange Creators

She didn't get wrecked. She was playing around. She only ever played around, of course, because her full extent is completely unfair.

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>>17472305
>Strange Creators
All I read is that her rank is higher than Eiki but nothing about her being the strongest. I mean Shinki created dimensions whole yet she still got trounced.
>She was playing around. She only ever played around, of course, because her full extent is completely unfair.
This nonsense again?

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>>17472310
Everyone plays around, but a being who is above anyone we've seen prior most definitely out to. The whole series is playing around, after all. Or do you not know the spell card rules?

Anyway
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Legacy_of_Lunatic_Kingdom_interview_with_ZUN
>反則的な敵なので、勝負する段階に至っていない。お遊びなんです。幻想郷とか月の都とかいうレベルを完全に超えている。
>Since she's an enemy that doesn't play by the rules, you can't even call it a proper match. It's just playing around. She's completely past the level of anyone in Gensokyo or the Lunar Capital.
Are you still going to argue?

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>>17472322
You sure that doesn't mean rank? And she doesn't even play by the rules.

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>>17472328
I'm positive given Hecatia gives not a single fuck about rank or title and just holds one because it was given to her (see: her interview in AFiEU). The context here is also about power, not rank. That's what ZUN's referring to.

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>>17472265
Either way, there's no proof she's even equal in power to Cirno, let alone stronger, until they fight. Stage doesn't mean anything, especially since Cirno has been a playable character in how many games now?

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>>17472341
I severely doubt Cirno, who could at her best make a drunken Marisa wielding a flashlight mildly perturbed (and still "lost" and got clothing-wrecked in the end) could match with the stupidly overpowered fairy Clownpiece that the four heroes of LoLK had to go all out against to defeat.

Cirno's danmaku is also significantly lamer.

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>>17472354
That's just fanboyism talking. She's capable of competing against the protags fine in the fighting games she's been in and PoFV.

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>>17472382
>That's just fanboyism talking
No? Do you honestly think it's fanboyism to look at things as they're presented and draw conclusions?

Why in fuck would you think that? And in the fighting games AND PoFV half the time she has to run the fuck away at the end of battle. Do you really think I give a fuck about powerlevels? That's actually why I quite liked ZUN just saying Hecatia was strongest. I was hoping it would shut people up.

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>>17457586
In all honesty it seems really fucked up and unsettling. Yukari's gaps are simply portals, Okina's doors seem to have portal functionality as a side effect to...some sort of fucked up, chaotic, 40k type energies.

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>>17472549
>In all honesty it seems really fucked up and unsettling. Yukari's gaps are simply portals, Okina's doors seem to have portal functionality as a side effect to...some sort of fucked up, chaotic, 40k type energies.
I can't even imagine the 4-Dimentional fuckery that allowed Cirno to literally enter the doorway that is ON her own back. Just visualizing it gives me a headache.

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>>17472549
>some sort of fucked up, chaotic, 40k type energies.
Which also empower whoever the door is attached to.

It all checks out. Yukari's gaps are the Webway. Okina's doors are open Warp rifts.

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>>17468718
I'd say there's much reason to believe X (read: any notable person) is stronger than Yukari. I understand that she's been in the fandom for a long time, her powers are wild, and she talks a big game, but in the same canon she's been canonically defeated by awful moonbitches (twice sorta?), is stated to not be as strong as a number of folks such as Hecatia, and seems mostly about working behind the scenes rather than fighting (sort of like Okina? but Okina likes to actually show off her power, whereas Yukari technically only did that once to Tenshi and I'm pretty sure Tenshi beat her later to prove a point anyway, because the skies of Gensokyo are full of cunts). I think it's fine to think of Yukari as strong and influential and shit, but I don't see why people cling to the thought that she's the strongEST. Hell, it doesn't even matter in a world where victory is governed by grace and beauty of danmaku as well as chance. And in a world where many are proven tougher than her. It's cooler to think of her as not THAT strong, but still an incredible threat for her planning and schemes.

...That's my opinion.

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>>17472209
According to Narumi's profile, she helped Marisa with her strategy

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>>17472557
I thought she entered Larva's back? Getting anti-Okina season subshots in the process

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>>17467129
The system is actually to prevent the miko from always winning so that's quite wrong. After all, without the rules she can cheat a victory 100% of the time.

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>>17462288
I don't know about fighting together, but it seems regularly canon that all the heroines fight the bosses, at once or otherwise (because characters later reference how they fought ALL of the girls). However, only one seems to actually win per game and it's usually Reimu.

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>>17462886
She looks like she's fucking ARROGANT. Not simply smug, like genuinely "I know I'm simply the best, and I don't care about you". Reading her dialogue confirms that notion. She's classically godly, and gives off a very different vibe from Junko.

That said, I have no problem admitting that she looks awful similar to Junko.

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>>17472209
>Maria didn't get help, she worked out how to win on her own.
False, Narumi is the one that came up with the strategy.

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>>17472736
How do you know that?

I'm asking because I can't read the extra story cause my Japanese is terrible. Also it seems oddly small for an extra story.

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>>17472748
>How do you know that?
It's in Narumi's profile.

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>>17472749
ah, I see

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>>17472668
The versus games shows everyone fights each other all the time pretty much as their way of saying "hello" so it's not like it's unusual for them to know each other even if they never met them during the incident.

[Anonymous No.]

Azuma Aya's Okina

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>>17472794
and the others.

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>>17472794
Okina confirmed for appearing in the next WaHH chapter.

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>>17472680
>She looks like she's fucking ARROGANT. Not simply smug, like genuinely "I know I'm simply the best, and I don't care about you". Reading her dialogue confirms that notion. She's classically godly, and gives off a very different vibe from Junko.

I especially like how that not only sets her apart from Junko, but also makes her even more of a counter-point to Yukari. Where Yukarii is a "youkai-like youkai", Okina is a very god-like god.

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>>17472789
No they do not show that. I don't know about the original phantasmagoria but the only reason anyone was doing anything in PoFV was because it was an "incident" (it wasn't an incident). The various manga show what life is like normally, and normally there isn't that much fighting (though I think it's been said Reimu and Marisa, at least, duel often)

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>>17472809
>No they do not show that
Why do you say that? The events in the fighting games show them fighting often, just because it doesn't happen in the manga (because that's not what the manga is about) doesn't it mean it doesn't happen period.

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>>17472814
>The events in the fighting games
You mean ALSO during incidents?

It's not as though the manga don't show battles, but it sounds like battles either happen between friends or to settle disputes. I swear I recall...Yukari or some other character mentioning that she had a run in with multiple heroines, not as if she fought them frequently.

There are also weird inconsistencies showing that bits of canon from multiple endings are made into the "true route", such as Reimu having a branch Moriya shrine opened on her property.

And lastly we know from the intro to every game's story that all the heroines DO go out to resolve the incident. So basically, I see more reason to believe they all at least do try rather than thinking they don't, and only one ever does all the work.

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>>17472794
I wonder just how giddy she gets, getting sneak peeks at new characters and stuff. She had to, to be able to draw them for comiket.

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>>17472827
>You mean ALSO during incidents?
Don't play dumb, you very well know the matches in the versus games can happen for no reason whatsoever. See: 99% of the matches in PoFV where so much as meeting instantly means battle. Take a look at these riveting conversations for example:

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Phantasmagoria_of_Flower_View/Story/Medicine's_Scenario

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>>17472842
I'm not playing dumb, but straight up, the humans in the series pretty much prefer not getting into fights until some weird shit happens and they have to go out to fight people.

There's also the case that if a human and youkai come across one another, they'll PROBABLY fight, but at the same time we frequently see outside of the games that hell, they probably won't.

But regardless I don't really see the point you're making because, you're not really going after my points, just sticking to saying "well maybe they met after the games" even though I have more reason to believe they probably would meet DURING the games. Hell, another point: most of the time in extra stories the characters come together and talk about how the events of the main game, and then it says "they set off to find something or other, and SHE was there..." as if they all indeed tried to fight her, but they didn't all necessarily succeed.

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>>17472794
she really looks like Junko, actually thought it was Junko at first

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>>17472866
>I'm not playing dumb, but straight up, the humans in the series pretty much prefer not getting into fights until some weird shit happens and they have to go out to fight people.
Reimu says in SWR during Marisa's story, prior to Marisa even knowing there's an incident, that she has no idea why they just even fought. In other words there doesn't have be a reason for fights, it's just the usual dumb scenarios that all fighting games have. But it's part of the series' story regardless.
>There's also the case that if a human and youkai come across one another, they'll PROBABLY fight, but at the same time we frequently see outside of the games that hell, they probably won't.
This isn't about it happening every single time, this is about the fact that it happens often, usually for stupid reasons, and the fighting games are absolute proof of that. Hell even if there's an incident happening, the reason for fighting someone doesn't even have to be related to stopping the incident, as mentioned in the above example.

>Hell, another point: most of the time in extra stories the characters come together and talk about how the events of the main game, and then it says "they set off to find something or other"
That doesn't mean they even got to the final boss. All of their knowledge can be explained by the fact that not only do endings can involve having tea parties with the final boss and friends, but also every extra story is about them talking about the incident. TD's for example starts with Reimu describing Miko's house (which she came inside in her regular ending) and Marisa asking how can she sneak in. Later on Reimu explains why the Myouren temple would have been built atop Miko's mausoleum and Futo's beliefs that could cause a holy war while Marisa is clueless to the point where she didn't even know Miko's crew could be Byakuren's enemies. It comes out as Marisa not having even reached stage 5, if she left at all.

Also when do the bosses say during the games that they fought all the girls like you claimed?

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>>17472794
Yukari Lite!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17473175
small saggy boobs.

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>>17473016
>Also when do the bosses say during the games that they fought all the girls like you claimed?
I said I didn't remember that clearly. I'd have cited it if I could.

It kind of sounds like you're agreeing with me, also, since my point was "canon is all over the place so why wouldn't it be possible for all the girls to get to X?". I did claim that it was more likely always the case, but what I really mean is that we just don't know, and it usually seems like most of the characters get to a certain place. And to speak of extras again, LoLKs talks about Sagume meeting the humans again and asking for their help. Despite that, I'm pretty sure Reisen is the canon of LoLK.

So, I think what this comes down to is that you mainly want to argue with me over something because I don't really see what value there is in defending this silliness. The games are abstracted (from the multiple endings, to the implied interactions, to the fact that spell card duels look nothing like they're supposed to), I think it's probable that the heroines often meet all the bosses over the course of the games. Sure, I'll say it's not always, but at the same time don't really see why it wouldn't be often. I'd also say, "well, never outside the games or in sequels do we see characters noting they met eachother some random time rather than eh you know what fuck it, I don't care that much about this. I just think you're wrong about your thoughts on things.

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>>17473535
>I said I didn't remember that clearly. I'd have cited it if I could.
Well don't just claim something so important if you can't back it up.

>It kind of sounds like you're agreeing with me
I agree with you on the "all heroines set out" because as you said, the prologue and extra backstory imply everyone leaves. However I am saying that that doesn't mean they even so much as reach the final boss, or in TD's case, even reach stage 5. And that all their knowledge about the characters comes from talking about it with their friends in the extra backstory and later on in future meetings, like how everyone got to meet Miko in HM (or rather Mamizou pretending to be her for the most part).

>The games are abstracted (from the multiple endings
There is. But like most (non-dating sim) videogames with multiple endings, only one of them is canon. ZUN points out in the books how it's usually Reimu, with the exceptions so far being UFO and most likely LoLK. Also in the multiplayer games apparently all routes happen, just at different times.

All I'm saying is that it doesn't seem like all characters even reach the stage 6 boss everytime, TD being the most obvious example. The characters learn about the game's remaining bosses by talking to their friends and later meeting said bosses. Is that so outlandish to believe?

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>>17472132
Please tell me that this is going to be Zounose's next work

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So we've advanced from the Stage 6 Boss being part of the Extra Boss fight to the Stage 6 boss BEING the Extra Boss.

ZUN is getting lazy with these EX-Bosses.

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>>17462288
Marisa did Subterranean Animism

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>>17462288
>UFO where ZUN says it was Marisa's route
I thought it was Sanae.

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>>17472310
>I mean Shinki created dimensions
That was banter you dunce

>>17472799
Goddamn Satono and Narumi are the cutest

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>>17472680
>That said, I have no problem admitting that she looks awful similar to Junko.
It's probably a coincidence, considering her look is supposed to be based off of this guy

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>>17472209
>I am not sure but I think Aya figured it out on her own too.
Nope.

Hatate was the one who worked out a strategy for Aya to defeat Okina because of her face as the God of Hindarances is a really serious matter for the Tengu in general. It was enough to make Aya get serious for one of the few times ever.

>>17468718
It's quite the opposite.

EX-Okina is actually a bit weaker storywise. She has to fight without any of the season power boosts she has.

Also Cirno's win is a series of extremely lucky coincidences, but Okina also notes a few interesting things. One is TH16 Cirno has been unconsciously siphoning power from Eternity without realizing it, Eternity due to what she represents is apparently a natural enemy of Okina's who directly counters her. The second is that Cirno in TH16 actually seems slightly out of it, she notes Cirno is almost moving entirely on impulse like some kind of instinct and the power up has pretty much become Cirno.

>>17472310
>All I read is that her rank is higher than Eiki but nothing about her being the strongest.
It was explained that Hecatia's rank is only in name, she isn't actually part of the Hell system but she's so strong nobody in Hell could make her submit anyway, it's completely unrealistic. So it's simpler to make her a figurehead leader since she wouldn't care anyway and carry on with things as usual.

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>>17475483
>Hatate was the one who worked out a strategy for Aya to defeat Okina
[citation needed]

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>>17473175
Oh wow.

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>>17475483
>It was explained that Hecatia's rank is only in name, she isn't actually part of the Hell system but she's so strong nobody in Hell could make her submit anyway, it's completely unrealistic. So it's simpler to make her a figurehead leader since she wouldn't care anyway and carry on with things as usual.
In Greek Mythology, Hecate doesn't manage Hades but she is the keymaster. She doesn't have any responsibilities in Hades, but as the keymaster she can come and go as she pleases. So this is similar to Hecatia.

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>>17472584
muh phantasm stage

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>>17475690
NEETcatia

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>>17477264
>NEETcatia
Actually what happened is that Hecate agreed to not stop Zeus from becoming head god, and Zeus agreed to give Hecate a share of every single offering to ANY god.
The historians believe that she was a really old god that predate the Greeks, and basically the Greeks wrote that Zeus leave her alone and bribe her with gifts, so she wouldn't consider just overthrowing him.

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Edit of Okina getting ask why she can have two themes when

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>>17477454
Why Twintail? That should be Vividred Operation, dammit.

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>>17475610
It's in Aya's ending.

Aya has a long chat admitting she lost to Okina and to specifically ask Hatate to use her power to spy on and find a way for her to defeat Okina and even Hatate points out how rare it is to see a serious Aya out for a fight.

In Tengu society the mere existence of Okina as the God of Hindrances is apparently a huge issue. In Gensokyo lore the current Tengu split from another group of Ancient Tengu they consider sworn enemies and evil whom Okina is the god of. The Ancient Tengu have been brought up once or twice in the mangas I think so it might be hinting at us finally meeting Tenma in the near future.

It's basically another take on how there are two types of Tengu in myth. The Japanese Mountain Tengu who are seen as benevolent and Buddhist Tengu who hide amongst humans and mean evil/harm on everyone. Far as Gensokyo is concerned they're not two faces of the same entity as often but two actual races.

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>>17478556
Thanks for that, this is interesting info and it's nice to see that ZUN hasn't forgotten about Hatate yet.

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>>17478556
>In Tengu society the mere existence of Okina as the God of Hindrances is apparently a huge issue. In Gensokyo lore the current Tengu split from another group of Ancient Tengu they consider sworn enemies and evil whom Okina is the god of. The Ancient Tengu have been brought up once or twice in the mangas I think so it might be hinting at us finally meeting Tenma in the near future.
Are you sure Okina belong to the evil side? Remember, the "evil Tengu" are evil because they fight against Buddhism. Okina is a literal Buddhist deity, and being "God of Hinderance" meant "God who stops bad things".

No matter how nice the Gensokyo Tengu seem to be, it is a fact that they are lead by literal Oni. And Buddhism traditionally portray Oni as villains. So the Tengu clan Aya belong to is most likely "meant" to be of the evil clan, even if they are not portrayed as such.

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How do I run HiFS on Windows 10?

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>>17468873
>2-Marisa-Mima

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>>17472614
After stage 4, Narumi points out that Cirno has a door on her back and when Cirno tries to touch it, she somehow gets sucked through it into stage 5. This means she entered the door on her own back and the door somehow stayed attached to her in the process