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Was thinking about moving to Japan for a few years when I'm better off/a little older - if only for the experience alone. Just curious, sagely 4channers, about a few things.

1) How hard is it to become accustomed to living there. IE, difficulty of learning the language, contrasts between there and western countries (particularly Britain, which is where I'm holed up now)
2) How hard, as an estimate, would it be to immigrate to there?

(prepares for stupid answers)

>> No.174237

why would you want to go to japan

because you are weaboo?

>> No.174241

1) Like anything, it would take an enormous amount of effort if you are really dedicated to this.

2) If you have money, easy. Even better if you have a good education.

>(prepares for stupid answers)

Oh...ok

LOL STUPID WEEABOO KILL YOURSELF

>> No.174243

>sagely

>> No.174252

>>174228
1. Pretty easy to get accustomed to life, if you have an open mind.

2. You have NO chance to immigrate as a permanent resident. You have to have an absolutely perfectly clean criminal background, a real job (not just being a bartender), must have lived in the country for 5 to 8 years, and must be married to a japanese. And you have to renounce all other citizenships and adopt a japanese name.

>> No.174254

You need a job first, you bum

>> No.174261

Easiest way to go:

http://www.jetprogramme.org/

>> No.174263

Firstly, let's start with some environmental factors there.
1. Japanese: must be a fluent writer/speaker in order to actually immigrate there, and get a job.
2. Prepare for an average of a 52 hour work-week, opposed to the average 40 hour work week.
3. Natural disasters: not entirely uncommon, make sure you have the knowledge to deal with them.
#Note: Japan is quite similar to western countries in some regards, perhaps the most noticable differences are language, and popular food selection.

>> No.174279

>>174252
Since you seem knowledgeable, how tough would getting a dual citizenship be, assuming I could? (I can, due to the fact that my grandmother is from japan)

>> No.174284

>>174279
Can't have dual citizenship as a U.S. citizen.

Assuming that's where you're from.

>> No.174285

>>174284
>Britain

>> No.174292
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>>174263
How about nationwide anti-foreigner sentiment and public discrimination? Ever think of that, Anon?

>> No.174298

>>174292
Oh i know that sign

some russians went in there and fucked shit up, then they put the sign up.

>> No.174303

there was a "NO FOREIGN TOURISTS ALLOWED - JAPANESE CUSTOMERS ONLY" sign up infront of an electronics shop on the main street in akiba not too long ago

>> No.174305

>>174263
>2. Prepare for an average of a 52 hour work-week, opposed to the average 40 hour work week.

yeah you'll be AT work more, but probably work about the same. you just have to be there to make it look like you're working really hard.

>> No.174340

>>174228

How old are you? I mean, "sagely?", "4channers?"

1. Being "accustomed" to living there is easy enough if you're not like one of those amerifag brutes with no consideration for others. You might miss not being able to buy things in bulk packs and some foods from your own country however.

2. It involves lots and lots of paperwork, and cold stares from the Japanese due to one foreignfag messing it up for the rest. Have fun.

>> No.174346

OP here. Thanks. I'm willing to learn the language, of course. I know a few basic phrases and such but we're talking way into the future here. Still getting that 'good' education at the moment, eh.

Thanks for the answers so far.

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>>174228

>> No.174372

>>174346
GOOGLE, MOTHERFUCKER. DO YOU USE IT?
http://www.thejapanfaq.com/FAQ-Primer.html
http://www.debito.org/rapporteur.html

>> No.174384

OMG WHAT IS GOOGLE

Seriously, I was just asking for an answer from someone. It's about 6AM, so I'll read the essays later.

>> No.174391

weeaboo niggers

>> No.174416

>>174413
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIbPgEyOGs4
Hey, what's up?

>> No.174413

Don't come to Japan. There's enough weaboos going around here embarrassing themselves as it is.

>> No.174424

>>174372
>debito

debito, the ULTIMATE weeaboo (and i mean that in a bad way)

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>>174416
Even though i've seen it before and knew what was coming i still raged a little.

>> No.174431

My roommmate lived there for 15 years.

#1. not hard at all other than the possibility of having 0 real friends. (he lived in korea for 5 and made many times more lifelong friends he still communicates with than the 15 in japan)

#2. impossible unless you marry someone. You can get a job and stay there as long as you hold a job. This includes teaching english at some place that knows this and will treat & pay you like shit. (gaba)

>> No.174453

You faggots never heard of permanent residency status?
It's not that difficult, so long as you have a steady job and aren't a criminal, although I think you do have to get it renewed every five years if you aren't married, so I don't know why they call it "permanent".

>> No.174462

>>174453
japan doesnt work that way. someone has to vouch for you. so if you get drunk in a bar and punch some rich guy's son and he cries to the police, THAT person has to go apologize to the police, the son, & the father.

>> No.174464

You can also be naturalised without getting married without too much difficulty so long as you are proficient in the language, employed, not a criminal, and willing to forsake your other nationality(ies).

>> No.174466

>>174453
Depending on your citizenship, you will get deported for overstaying a visa if you are not a citizen and do not have a job after a certain amount of time (Measured in months).

It's not really "permanent."

>> No.174468

>>174462
>so if you get drunk in a bar and punch some rich guy's son

no country wants people to come in and do things like this, much less some place like japan

>> No.174470

>>174228
Why the hell would you work in Japan?

>> No.174481

http://thejapanfaq.cjb.net/
http://www.thejapanfaq.com/FAQ-Primer.html

Those are very helpful, read em

>> No.174484

fyi, people that are born in japan, even if their parents, their parents-parents, or even their parents-parents-parents were born in japan, they might not have japanese citizenship. They aren't allowed one, since their great-great grandfather or whatnot was not a japanese, but a korean.

>> No.174488

This guy explains it pretty well, he's been living and working there about five years:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CH7UMJbEtYc

>> No.174495

rape a girl. after that, they're ruined for marriage, unless they marry you.

>> No.174499

To any americans that want to become japanese, just as a note, it is much harder to get rid of american citizenship than it is to get one.

Mostly because the US is one of the few countries that still taxes you US taxes even if you live overseas, and the IRS considers it tax evasion if you try and give up your citizenship.

>> No.174519

>>174468
someone hasn't been to the UK or ireland.

>> No.174520

Here's a question: How's the health care system in Japan? And how does it treat foreigners?

>> No.174533

>>174416
holy fucking SHIT

>> No.174535

>>174499
why would anyone want to give up US citizenship in the first place. i would have to go batshit insane before i gave up the most coveted citizenship in the world. maybe a resident but if i had to give up american citizenship the choice is obvious.

>> No.174542

>>174535

Depends how much of an economic/lifestyle investment you've made in your host country. I mean if you own property, have a stable job, family, have lived there for 15 years and have nothing back home, it might make sense to consider a citizenship.

>> No.174561

>>174542
i guess but we just seem to have so many international privileges as Americans. people have to apply for a fucking visa just to visit america and we can go just about anywhere with just a passport.

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174568

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIbPgEyOGs4
How very appropriate for this thread, but...
Wow.

>> No.174570

>>174252
>>174279

knowledgable?

1) lots of people have permanent resident status, you only need to be there for 5 years, you don't have to be married (the overwhelming majority are though, and only because what reason would they have to settle there unless they were starting a family?) and they don't do any "character checks" like you would get if you're looking to naturalize.

2) Are you sure you're not getting confused with naturalization requirements? No country forces you to render yourself stateless for permament resident status, but even for naturalization there is no rule that you have to be married (though the guys assessing you would see it as a sign of assimilation into the culture)

3. "real job" is only a hard lined requirement for work visas because only big companies can sponsor foreigners, and that's how the entire work visa program is set up. They expect you to have a decent income when applying for permament residency however since there's no sponsor it doesn't have to be a big company. You could be a big shareholder or have your own online business and as long as the money is decent they would accept it.

4) getting accustomed to life is the difficult part for any westerner, and only because you feel so alone over there. Sure the people are nice, friendly, you don't get beat up by kids if you walk the street at the wrong time, food is great but unless you have started a family you will always feel so alone over there. Lots of foreigners are over there, but as anyone who has passed through a japanese airport will attest to like 95% of them are asian. You feel like a mexican if mexicans were scarce and didn't have all their mexican buddies around them and only had english speaking whiteys to speak to everyday.

>> No.174574

>>174535

Let them try to give up their US citizenship, it's funnier that way.

>> No.174576

>>174520

not sure about the foreigner bit, but i've heard the health care system is LOL. doctors only work like half days and it can be hard to find medical treatment when you need it

>> No.174588

>>174576

Everybody's got something against their healthcare system. Even when you've got the highest life-expectancy in the world.

>> No.174595

>>174570
Indian would have been a better analogy. we killed them all remember. mexicans are so common in america that i can safely say you either ARE a mexican or are sitting rather close to one.

fun fact: you are never more than 5 feet away from a mexican.

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>>174606

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174650

ITT

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174689

>>174391

>> No.174836

>>174808
When the fuck did I say you would? You said permanent residence was difficult to get. I said you're wrong, it's easy. All you have to do is legally marry a japanese woman. Citizenship is more difficult and rqeuires 7 years of residence and renunciation of your existing citizenship. You do NOT have to take a japanese name, Debito just happens to be a massive faggot.

>> No.174600

>>174576
Huh... Not sure I'll be giving up my Canadian citizenship anytime soon...

>> No.174841

>>174606
>everytime I come back home it's like I've just taken depressants and everything looks gray.
If you were born over there, you would be bored of japan and be happy about other places. It's not because japan is this wonderful wonderland, you just have a boring life.

>> No.174605

>>174535
>why would anyone want to give up US citizenship in the first place

because it sucks shit living abroad as an american and being double taxed

>> No.174606

>>174570

This being said I would also say that I would love to be able to live in japan. All the times I've gone over there have been a blast, and everytime I come back home it's like I've just taken depressants and everything looks gray. It's just really unfortinuate that it is a balls hard country to fit in to if you're not asian.

Japan will have to open it's borders more in the near future, it's current policies and attitudes just aren't sustainable. However I am fairly certain that when they do it's going to be all chinese and koreans going over and no one will be able to tell.

>> No.174607

>>174605
then get your ass home every 6 months.

>> No.174610

>>174595

Nah, mexican is a good analogy because of how much spanish is being worked into the system. When was the last time you purchased an appliance, that didnt include spanish instructions? It's similar in Japan with english, it's worked into alot of things.

>> No.174613

>>174595

I dunno I'm not american so I don't know what analogy fits for you. For me though indians don't make sense because the fuckers are everywhere.

>> No.174616

>>174613

Do you live on an indian reservation?

>> No.174614

>>174605
what happens when you want to go back to [insert native county] but you have to wait for a visa.
shit will suck hard.
i would rather double tax or just call it a vacation and come.

>> No.174621

>>174613
i was thinking indian (native americans) are rare like an american person in japan so you feel out of place around a buch of while and or japanese people, respectively.

>> No.174622

>>174610
English instructions seem to be a staple all over Asia though, even when I was visiting rural-ish towns China, India, and Cambodia I saw english instructions on most packaged products

>> No.174876

>>174841

I can't disagree with that.

>> No.174627

>>174607

Do that too many times and japanese immigration will stop you dead in your tracks before you leave the airport.

Border hoppers are the easiest people to catch for them, and don't think they don't watch how many times you renew your visa like a hawk.

>>174610

It's also good because likewise, when japanese people see your whitey face they assume you speak english, and will bust out all the english instructions for you and whatnot. It's nice I suppose but it makes you feel like such an outsider if you're actually working over there and trying to live a normal life.

>> No.174629

>>174616

You should pay attention to the fact that I said I'm not American, and Indian for me doesn't mean native american.

>> No.174632

i can sympathize with OP wanting to leave his country. UK right? they are being pilled with arabs while america is being pilled with mexicans.

>> No.174897

>>174841
>>174876
eh, I'm from Detroit, coming back home after visiting Japan was like biting down on a mouthful of ash.

>> No.174642

>>174629
UK killed all their indians? damn, why wasn't i told?

>> No.174645

>>174595
>fun fact: you are never more than 5 feet away from a mexican.

This is true. Hell there's one living in the crawl space above my room right now.

>> No.174649

>>174627
thats hella stupid. well i guess if you did it ALL the time but you could just call it a favorite vacation spot. they cant really do anything unless your buying goods to sell without paying taxes on them.

>> No.174654

>>174645
this
even when you dont know it, they are there. i have a family living in my laundry closet.

>> No.174659

>>174650
i approve this map

>> No.174664

>>174650
you missed africa.
>hungry people.
in before niggers aren't people.

>> No.174667

>>174649

Any immigration official gets crazy suspicious if you don't have a return flight back to your home country (assuming they check, and it's likely if you are coming back every 6 months).

>>174642

Where the hell did you get that from?

>> No.174668

>>174650
Where be UK? unless America thinks UK is park of mainland europe, which is fine since noone really gives a fuck about britania anymore

>> No.174672

>>174605
Protip: no longer be a "resident: (you're still a citizen) of the United States to avoid income tax.

>> No.174674

http://debito.org/

>> No.174675

>>174668
you would be surprised how many do. and slightly less surprised how many can't locate it on a map. believe me, ive seen.

>> No.174682

/jp/- tax evasion

>> No.174691

>>174689
is this some mike jones?

>> No.174697

What's this? citizenship?

NO DUAL CITIZENSHIP
NO CRIMINAL RECORD
FOUR-YEAR DEGREES ONLY

>> No.174703

If you've been arrested even once you can't get citizenship? lol

>> No.174705

>>174303
I would go in regardless and touch every item that was on display with my sticky American fingers.

>> No.174721

>>174303

Right next to all the duty free stores making a killing off foreigners and all the signs everywhere inviting them? Makes sense.

>> No.174776

>>174721
cultural isolation is more important than money in japan apparently.

>> No.174781

>>174697
FINAL DESTINATION?

>> No.174784

>>174776

good comeback

>> No.174787

>>174252
>2. You have NO chance to immigrate as a permanent resident. You have to have an absolutely perfectly clean criminal background, a real job (not just being a bartender), must have lived in the country for 5 to 8 years, and must be married to a japanese. And you have to renounce all other citizenships and adopt a japanese name.

PERMANENT RESIDENCE IS NOT THE SAME AS CITIZENSHIP, ASSFACE.

>> No.174788

>>174784
that wasn't a joke.

>> No.174796

>>174703
Almost every fucking country I went to has that policy. And listen to this man>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=CH7UMJbEtYc


You CAN live and get a job in Japan but you must know that IT IS JAPAN and Japan is for Japanese people. Unless you have some usefull skill in which the Japanese don't normally have (I.E: English teachers (Don't even think about it. Too many weeaboo Americans are on this already), IT specialist (Microsoft yes), Lawyers, Doctors, Architect and some more high class jobs. If you're thinking you can get easy job in Japan, keep dreaming. DJs? GTFO.

>> No.174803

>>174788

I didn't meant to say that it was, I was just saying that it defeated my point entirely.

>> No.174804

>>174787
>CITIZENSHIP

Enjoy your high tax, frequent visits by the police and fail in life.

>> No.174806

I've been living here for a little while now. Just like the second reply said, it's not hard if you have money and are willing to put forth the effort.

>> No.174808

>>174787
How would you get citizenship without obtaining permanent residence first?

>> No.174827

>>174806
What can you expect from a bunch of weeabos who want to go to Japan by watching too much anime? To watch more anime in Japan? I lol'd

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