Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1830

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[Anonymous No.]

>>>/int/77843324/
This is where you belong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412374
Sorry but nothing showed up, guess we're staying here

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412326
>>17412327
今回は面白くない

[Anonymous No.]

Do u guys feel like learning japanese is worth? I listen to a lot of Japanese music and want to understand what some songs mean on the fly. Also watch some anime but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412474
No, not at all. In fact, my life has gotten considerably worse since I've learnt Japanese. I can't associate with EOPs anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

カップラーメンがたべたい

きちょうひん

[Anonymous No.]

Why can I do 15 minute interval cards right away but have to wait for 30 minute interval

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412474
95%+ of the music I listen to is Japanese. I'm scared that once I can understand the lyrics, I won't like it anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412576
Preferences -> Learn ahead limit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412488
I also fell into this trap, but before finishing learning, so now I have neither the rewards from actually learning Japanese nor the sense of camaraderie I used to have with most 4chan posters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412588
Are you retarded? Do you like music in your native language any less because you can understand it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412599
I wasn't serious, by the way. I don't agree with most 4chan posters and I have always hated EOPs, knowing Japanese doesn't have any negative effect in my life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412601
>Do you like music in your native language any less because you can understand it?

Yes, when the lyrics are bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412605
Did you formerly hate yourself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412610
Who doesn't hate themselves to some degree?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412615
I was surprised myself when I discovered that supposedly it's not normal to hate yourself.

There's all kinds of people out there.

[Anonymous No.]

>Really want to learn
>Have had the absolute worst studying ethic possible and probably successfully studied only a handful of times over the course of my life and just coasted all the way through off of my ability to learn quickly through classes
>The one time I was able to buckle down and focusing hard I did it for a few weeks and then lost every ounce of motivation I had
>This was 5 years ago and I haven't once touched Japanese since
>Trying to start again but I not only have less motivation but I have my past experience to discourage me even more when I think about how I've utterly wasted 5 years I could have used and wouldn't have to sit here wishing I could read untranslated shit already
There is absolutely no fucking worse of a feeling possible, I guarantee you this. How am I supposed to learn when I don't even have the utter basics of studying down, much less the motivation to pretend I do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412705
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412717
No one? I'm asking a question?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412726
Why are you using the quoting function when you're not trying to quote anyone?

[Anonymous No.]

おせなかをおながしいたしますわ

[Anonymous No.]

御背中を御流し致しますわ

おれはかんぺき!

[Anonymous No.]

Are these good for learning kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412782
Here's an example page.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412615
>>17412623
A healthy amount of self loathing is called humility

[Anonymous No.]

>四つも上とは思えないなぁ
The generic counter つ here is referring to age, right?
So it's something like 'I can't believe/it hardly seems like you're four years older than me'?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412868
Most likely but you should know from the context.

[Anonymous No.]

辻褄合わせに生まれた僕ら
I'm not sure if I understand what this means.

We who have been born to fit some(one's) story?
We who have been born to keep coherence?

[Anonymous No.]

So I should keep Anki at using 25 new cards a day right? Also what are your recommendations to really comprehend and retain the knowledge from it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412919
>Also what are your recommendations to really comprehend and retain the knowledge from it?
Understand the word before you try to memorize it with anki.

In other words mining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412919

>25 words per day

Sounds like hell. If your reviews ever pile up too much that it discourages you, don't forget you can lower the number of new words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412909
The former
(誰かの/何かの)辻褄合わせに生まれた僕ら

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412919
>So I should keep Anki at using 25 new cards a day right?
If it is working for you

>Also what are your recommendations to really comprehend and retain the knowledge from it?
Read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412947
Thanks, I thought so too.

[Anonymous No.]

このスレは自閉症ですよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412933
>In other words mining.
Forgive me as I'm still beginning but what does "mining" mean? I heard that before but thought it meant doing the Anki cards

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413133
It means reading or listening to compelling content, coming across an unknown word, researching it's meaning and adding it to an anki deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413162
When should I start trying to do that then? I can barely count to ten at this point

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413239
When you finished Tae Kim, so one month or so in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413239
If your goal is to count to ten, you don't need to bother mining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413270
Obviously I wouldn't be putting in this effort if that was my goal, that's just my current level

[Anonymous No.]

>watch anime with japanese subtitles and you will eventually learn the language

is this a meme?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413427
Only if you don't stop and look up the words you don't know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413445
but i forget them right afterward

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413461
Don't do that

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412705
Honestly I'm the same way as you, but learning Japanese gave me the discipline to actually sit down and study.
The pleasure of learning the language gave me all the motivation I needed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413427
Where do I get anime with Japanese subtitles?
I have been watching without subs for a few years but I still have at best 3/4 the comprehension of a vn or ln.

[Anonymous No.]

What does ズーズーしい mean here? Context is that Yotsuba is getting excited because she thinks that her friend Asagi will bring back a souvenir after her trip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413488
図々しい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413488
図々しい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413490
>>17413492
Thank you

[Anonymous No.]

I think I'm going to have to start kanji from scratch. I don't know what's happening, but my retention is just dropping like a rock over the last few days. I've been routinely getting >90% correct for several months, and I've hardly added any new cards at all in that time, but my retention has been slipping bit by bit lately and today it made a sudden drop all the way down to <75% (and a pathetic 60% on matures).

Maybe I did too many kanji a day when I was learning them and this is the result of it finally catching up with me, but it's strange that it took so long if that's the case. Alternatively, maybe this is just the limit of what one can accomplish in the long term if one learns kanji without using mnemonics, but if that were the case then Japanese people would all be illiterate. Perhaps the true cause of this problem is trying to learn kanji as isolated elements and not learning them in conjunction with the words they're used to write.

Fuck, this is so frustrating and disheartening.

[Anonymous No.]

あなたは隠れホモですか？
それはちょっとゲイです

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413519
Read more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413483
https://animelon.com/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413427
I think it's better to use no subtitles, and just have a transcript open on another monitor so you can look up and mine words. That way you're forced to concentrate on the sound in order to keep your place, and you can't use the symbolic nature of the written language to give you hints.

[Anonymous No.]

where do you even start from?
i (re)learned hiragana and katakana yesterday (for the third time) but tae kim makes me ??? because i don't know kanji so i'm assuming i should start learning kanji with anki before going through tae kim but that also seems weird, learning vocabulary with no grammar, or should i add the kanji encountered in it to a mining deck, but in this very thread people say you should start using that around a month in

>starting university in a month and should brush up on maths
>i suddenly want to learn jabanese t. brain :D

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413560
You start by reading the fucking guide bitch. Don't reply to this post, just go and fucking read it right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413560
I think every kanji used in there is explained in there. However, I also had some trouble with memorizing those words even if it was just for short term memory. I had way more ease after doing like 1000 words of 2k/6k in Anki (probably less). I didn't get the example sentences obviously, but knowing the kanji in some form made Tae Kim easier for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413561
wow i'll go read it but the rudeness wasn't necessary

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413541
Thanks. This is mildly life changing.
I haven't watched Oregairu s2 because when protagonist and friends spoke it was like a white noise machine of vocabulary. Now I can move forward.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413560
Tae Kim gives you a list of vocab for every lesson, so what's the problem? You just learn those words as you see them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413569
animelon's selection is pretty limited, so there's also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dTql1MuPlc

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413568

Wow, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413580
>English textbooks on his desktop
I knew it, AJATT was just a ruse

[Anonymous No.]

がいじんさんにあったよ

あしがはやかった

[Anonymous No.]

Is intermediate hell when you've reached a point where no matter how much you read, your progress slows down to a crawl?
I think I'm at that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413561
i did read the guide but i asked for clarity because it doesn't state a clear order of progress.
>>17413577
my short term memory is terrible so I assume beforehand I'll have great difficulty trying to push all the squiggly lines into long term storage via reading a short list of vocabulary as opposed to grinding flash cards
Then again i suppose the point of Tae Kim isn't really about teaching kanji so remembering which is which might not be all that important after that particular chapter-

I'll just start reading Tae Kim now and start Anki
2k later today, I'm concerned with starting with the most effective manner possible so i don't get discouraged again like all those times before

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413627
>I'm concerned with starting with the most effective manner possible so i don't get discouraged again like all those times before

In that case, efficiency shouldn't be your main concern, it should be entertainment. Find a way of studying that is fun, and you won't lose motivation. If that happens to not be the most optimal way of learning based on results per time, so be it, because efficiency doesn't matter if you just lose motivation and quit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413623
No, "intermediate hell" is a meme made up by people who are actually still beginners, afraid to up the difficulty level from shounen manga and invest more than 1 hour a day into reading.
What are the last 5 novels you have completed, if you read as much as you say?

[Anonymous No.]

僕はゲイです

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412588
Only happened with K-On songs to me but I guess it sounding like the lyrics were written by dumb teenage girls is the point.
Other Japanese music I listen to only became better when I started to understand the lyrics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413652
I've never "completed" a novel because I tend to jump around a lot, but I have experience from the following
Obligatory beginner stuff like Kino no Tabi, Hanahira and Flyable Heart
森の魔獣に花束を (that's what I've been reading recently)
Some theater VN I forgot the name of
Various nukige
Amagami SS
And some novel about a 夜市

I was thinking of jumping into これはペンです again since its much harder than anything I've read before and I think I'll get some good progress out of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413706
Do you mean to tell me you've tried all of those and never once completed a single volume or route?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413645
That's good advice, when I started playing the guitar I didn't bother with learning chords, I just started playing the simplest songs I liked with lots of power chords and picked chords up on the go as I moved on to more difficult songs and started actually studying chords and scales and whatnot
Sometimes I regret not learning them from the start because I could be much better than I am, but then again I can 100% guarantee I would have given up after a few weeks if I had gotten an acoustic guitar instead and started from boring chord progressions

I think I didn't mean the most effective way to learn, but rather a way that flows and builds on itself instead of something that bounces around seemingly without a common motif

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413738
I meant the entire series.
For example I completed Tsukasa's route in Amagami SS but I never finished the others, so I don't say I completed Amagami.
With the VN's its usually completing or near completing the common route and I never really step foot into the heroine routes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413627
if you hover your mouse cursor over the kanji, the balloon tip shows exactly what appears before the lesson begins

[Anonymous No.]

ともだちをたいせつにしてる？

へいわをだいじにしてる？

かぞくにしんせつししてる？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413706
>I've never "completed" a novel
Then you are doing something very wrong. I remember a post bringing up 森の魔獣 and Amagami before, think that was in June. So you've been sitting on a mere 300 page book for over 2 months, not even 5 pages a day. If you read a lot most of those should finished or close to the end, but from your wording I assume that's not the case. Set yourself some goals like finishing X by Y date and actually fulfill those, it will do wonders for your discipline and lack of focus. It's easy to trick yourself into thinking you read a lot when you start a ton of things and only read a little bit from them all, but everything you listed there probably doesn't even equal finishing 2 medium length VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413756
Well, that guy said "last 5 novels", so each volume counts. A series isn't a novel, it's a series of novels. As for games, since you're just trying to take stock of how much text you've been through, let's say for now that you've "finished" it if you reached the credits, unless it's something with a really unusual structure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413797
Hey, I'm not that guy, but I would like to do something similar to what you're suggesting with VNs. My problem is that I never know how far into a VN I am, and it makes tracking progress a bit difficult. Are "progress chart" images the only way of obtaining such information?
I guess I could also open up the text file and check how many lines there are, but it's pretty much impossible to do that with any branching work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413797
I've been slowly reading 森の魔獣 but I blasted through Tsukasa's route in a couple days. I'm pretty selective when it comes to media. I'm sitting on things that I haven't touched in over a year yet plan to finish one day. I also read tons of manga because its what I enjoy the most but it isn't something I'd really call studying the language because of how easy it tends to be.

But you are right I really aught to set a goal to finish more material in shorter amount of time, I just get bored of it after awhile, especially when it comes to the bloated nature of VNs. I can't even finish a longer VN in English.

[Anonymous No.]

死ねぇ化物！お前がこの世界には属すことではない！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413822
I wrote a short guide
https://pastebin.com/YCJmesHb
I don't really know how stuff is added to the OP guide but if anyone in charge wants to add it, feel free to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413889
oh thanks. I thought doing it in such a way would be ineffective since you can't track how far along a route you are, but reading everything is better anyway, so your method works. Maybe I would use character count instead of physical size, though.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to set up Anki to increase the daily limit when I press easy on a new card? I like to stick to the same amount of new cards I don't know and it's annoying to exist the deck and increase it through custom study every time a known card pops up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413525
I think what I'm going to do from here on out is start a new deck, and instead of learning kanji in some prescribed order like I was doing, I will only learn a kanji when I learn a word that it's used to write.

So my plan for the future is to read a lot, mine common words, and when mining them, create kanji cards for their kanji in a separate deck.

Hopefully I will have better luck with this approach.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413577
>learning arbitrary lists of words from a grammar guide
This is a great way to make reading it even more of a boring, tedious pain in the ass.

Grammar guides should be finished with as soon as possible. Anything that makes the process take longer (like forcing yourself to learn all the vocab used in them) should be avoided at all costs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414059
Just delete the cards if you don't need them at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414257
You don't have to learn the vocab immediately, you just have to reference the vocab list when reading the example sentences so that you know what it says there and then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414274
>reference the vocab list
Or just install riakaisama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414279
*rikaisama

[Anonymous No.]

I'd just like to inform all new people here that the vast majority of people giving advice in these threads don't even know basic Japanese, especially if the topic is things like Kanji study and how to read grammar guides. If you're a beginner your best bet is to ignore everything people tell you on here and just learn in a way you think will benefit you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414287
This post is written by a beginner too, so you may discard his opinion as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414302
This post is written by a beginner too, so you may discard his opinion as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413822
>Are "progress chart" images the only way of obtaining such information?

Yes, that's why I made them.

[Anonymous No.]

Are the Kangxi radicals harder to learn than actual kanji?

Also, I only do 5 per day, because after total confusion from 20 and then 60 per day I started anew.
Is 5 new ones per day too few? I don't care about how long it takes, but I fear that with only 5 there's not enough unique ones per session (~25). Confusion with other characters is my primary problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414473
>with only 5 there's not enough unique ones per session (~25). Confusion with other characters is my primary problem.
i.e., it's too easy then.

I'll also up the rate again when I'm through the radicals, even if they're harder.

[Anonymous No.]

Could you guys proof read this for me. It is polite enough? Did I make it clear? Please and thank you.

>手数料を払えば、絵を描いていただけますか?
>https://twitter.com/gobou_1000/status/796917619886411776
>これは私の大好きなイメージの1つなんです。どう考えても素晴らしい絵です。雪の降る感じ、親密さ、見つめ合う眼差し。どれを取っても驚くべきです。

>如何でしょう、手数料で、私のために絵を描いてくれれば、と思っているのですが。

[Anonymous No.]

Am I an idiot for still not understanding particle usage after a year of studying? I keep forgetting how to use に を と で and が.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414520
what the flying fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414534
What?
Can say for one thing, you're not clear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414520
>>如何でしょう、手数料で、私のために絵を描いてくれれば、と思っているのですが。
That sounds assuming as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any difference between using the te and the node forms when it comes to correctness? As far as I can see, te/de is only applicable before sentences that are a natural reaction to the reason given in the first one, and meanwhile node can be applicable anywhere?

>何もを食べないで、お仲がすう。
>何もを食べないので、お仲がすう。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414615
吸われるより吸うことが好きです

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414615
unfortunately those have nothing to do with why both of those are grossly incorrect though it does in fact add to it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414627
Should've been suku, right. My bad. Aside from that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414615
>お仲
お腹
>すう
空く
て form in this case indicates circumstances and/or successive actions.
何も食べないで学校へ行ったのでお腹が空いた
I went to school without eating anything (食べないで), therefore (ので) my stomach became empty (I got hungry)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414638
Right, I should probably stick to kana if I don't know how a given kanji for it looks like. Couple of questions though, since I don't get a few things.

Why did you skip を between nanimo and tabenaide? I have eaten - nothing, it's an object. Is it optional? Why did you add gakkou? And why is suku in the past form? Is onaka ga suita a fixed expression and I should just not pay attention to the ta at the end? Why can't I say onaka ga suku, or onaka ga suiteimasu?

>て form in this case indicates circumstances and/or successive actions.
Because I have eaten nothing, now I'm hungry. That doesn't quallify? Sorry for being a fucking retard but Minna no Nihongo doesn't explain ANY of this shit in detail.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414657
>Why did you skip を between nanimo and tabenaide?
も is a particle that replaces を、が or へ, just like は. You cannot write をも

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>>17414693
>You cannot write をも
Wrong.

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>>17414704
Not in the way he means it

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>>17414525
That's because you're not reading enough native content.

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>>17414704
honestly you should just ignore anything written by this guy after seeing this >>17414638

maybe he understands the ideas behind the grammar but hes completely unable to apply them properly

[Anonymous No.]

>Why did you skip を between nanimo and tabenaide? I have eaten - nothing, it's an object. Is it optional?
も replaces it. をも does exist but it means something else and you shouldn't concern yourself with that as a beginner.
>Why did you add gakkou?
Just as an example.
>And why is suku in the past form? Is onaka ga suita a fixed expression and I should just not pay attention to the ta at the end? Why can't I say onaka ga suku, or onaka ga suiteimasu?
お腹が空く = for the stomach to empty. When talking about a specific experience you should use the past form or ている, but if you were to describe something that will happen, might happen, or usually happens, you'd use 空く.
何も食べないで学校へ行ったらお腹が空くよ
If you go to school without eating anything, you'll get hungry.
I advise checking multiple resources when you have trouble with a specific grammar point, especially because textbooks like Minna no Nihongo or Genki are designed for classroom use.

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>>17414715
You seem to think >>17414638 and >>17414693
is the same person. They're not.

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>>17414718
>>17414657

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>>17414520
So, can I assume this is fine, or am I actually so bad it's incomprehensible?

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>>17414733
i believe the best lesson will be learned when you enter that into the body and press 送信する

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>>17414693
>>17414718
Thanks for the answers guys, cleared up some things for me.

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>>17414736
Well, I don't want to be rude or sound stupid to the artist. That's why I asked here first.

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>>17414744
you're his customer, so he shouldn't bully you even if you mess something up

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>>17414733
Honestly it's very badly written, sorry. But I think he will probably understand what you mean.

A word you probably want to learn is 依頼. In this case it means commission, as in commissioning a painting. I'm not sure 手数料 is the word you are looking for, that's mostly used for handling fees etc, not the main payment for something.

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>>17414744
Just add 拙い日本語で申し訳ありませんが or something to the start of the message

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>>17414749
Yeah, but I still don't want to look dumb.

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>>17414753
Guess I'll try working on it a bit more. Thank you for the advice.

>>17414759
See, that's the other thing. I don't want to blatantly look like a gaijin.
Because nips are often pretty racist, so they might decline the job just because of that.

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>>17414778
btw, this is what lang8 is for. They'll not only tell you how your text is, but adjust it for you

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>>17414790
Oh, that's actually exactly what I need. Thank you.

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>>17414714
How much should I be reading daily and is manga enough?

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>>17414798
2 hours minimum.
>and is manga enough
Manga isn't reading.

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>>17414782
what if their response requires you to respond again

are you just gonna ask us to ghostwrite everything for you

it should be clear from the last 15 or so posts that youre no better off

my advice is condense it to one sentence after all your formalities which are missing

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>>17414790
Fuck.

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>>17414800
I actually didn't think it would be that bad.

Are there any decent website that do Eng to JP translations?
I feel like that would be the simplest solution for now.

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>>17414804
lolwut

I can post it for you on my account and give you the link so that you can see corrections, if you want

[Anonymous No.]

塔に閉じこもり、魂をネットと切り離した者達よ

バベルの塔は、悪しき神の策略で倒壊し、世に混乱が撒き散らされた

彼が絶対者ならば、何ゆえ、そんな必要があったろうか？

恐怖こそは、彼の武器だ

だが、恐怖こそは肉体の発する言語。肉体を捨てれば、恐怖もまた力を失う

また、民は塔に集うのだ

その時、かの悪しき神が下した呪いが終結する

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>>17414814
If it's not too much work for you, I would appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.]

you could post it on hellotalk if you have a phone lmao

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>>17414817
http://lang-8.com/876124/journals/10340226775382446183855856743418201134

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>>17414833
Thank you again, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

A few months ago one guy here wrote something like "ユリのVNは好きなの?", and someone replied with a screenshot from a VN where one naked girl was hugging her naked mother and saying "お母さんが大好き". The archive has failed me, so does anyone have any idea what the title of that VN was?

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>>17414816
I approve of this reference

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>>17414799
what if your brain is melting after reading just about 30 mins?

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>>17414816
>恐怖こそは肉体の発する言語
存在論的(実存的)恐怖というのも
また存在するのではないか？

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>>17414799
>Manga isn't reading.
How?

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>>17414882
then take a break and do another 30 mins
repeat this several times
(bonus points for doing Japanese stuff in the breaks)

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>>17412705
You've been meme'd, my friend. You're not supposed to have motivation to learn anything, nor are you supposed to enjoy it. A personal learning philosophy based off of only learning the things that you are "naturally motivated" to learn would result in learning practically nothing unless you're a nerd. But, for us non-nerds, we need to use sheer willpower and self-discipline to better ourselves and advance our own personal pursuits. Don't do it for yourself, or anyone else. Just fucking do it, for no reason, and do it well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17413871
死ねぇ化物！
お前はこの世界に属すべきではない！

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>>17414928
Nice projection.

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>>17413654
I knew the K-On songs had dumb lyrics from the titles long before I figured out what any of the lyrics meant. I like them more now.

What exactly were you expecting from "Rice is a side dish?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412588
a lot of songs i didn't like before i actually came to like once i knew what the lyrics meant, most of the time it enhances it

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>>17414928
>But, for us non-nerds
I don't know how to tell you this, but that's what a nerd is, Anon. You are naturally motivated enough to find the willpower and self-discipline to do something because you want to.

Come out of the nerd closet.

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>>17414473
I did 30 radicals per day for a week. I can't even do 10 words or kanji a day. So no, they're not harder.

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>>17414846
FYI you got a comment: http://lang-8.com/876124/journals/10340226775382446183855856743418201134/%25E6%2589%258B%25E6%2595%25B0%25E6%2596%2599%25E3%2582%2592%25E6%2589%2595%25E3%2581%2588%25E3%2581%25B0%25E3%2580%2581%25E7%25B5%25B5%25E3%2582%2592%25E6%258F%258F%25E3%2581%2584%25E3%2581%25A6%25E3%2581%2584%25E3%2581%259F%25E3%2581%25A0%25E3%2581%2591%25E3%2581%25BE%25E3%2581%2599%25E3%2581%258B%253F?t=correction#journal_comment_123925539194817125552555869596864513070

[Anonymous No.]

if you have any nihongo trouble just post it on lang8 and well keep an eye out on any comments for you

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うれしょん

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Does anyone have any techniques they use for studying? I was getting frustrated with my goal of 20 kanji a day in KKLC because it seemed like my studying would drag on and on, so I started using the pomodoro method and it made it a lot easier to focus and get through the kanji. That way I could go fast and add them in the anki deck. Now I feel like I can learn 10-20 in a 25 minute period depending on how familiar/unfamiliar they are.

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エコバッグ
what a pretentious name for such a simple thing

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>>17415227
I noticed.
Thank you.

And thanks again for doing it in the first place.
Going to get back to studying now.

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>>17414833
How did you start to write anything on lang-8, if you don't mind sharing? I have heard some recommendations about writing something (a little bit) everyday to improve my writing skill, and to gain some confidence in it. But as a beginner, I have also heard some suggestions that say that it's best to learn writing until later, especially if any writing you write is not corrected by native so as not to build bad habits..

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>>17415325
Well if I remember correctly I didn't start until at least after I had finished a grammar guide or two. But I don't think there's any problem just diving into it. You will be bad in the beginning, but that's the point. It forces you to think about the language in ways that just reading or listening can't do, and you'll improve a lot.

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>>17415349
Thanks anon.

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is she really asking whether she would look like a "person of mixed parentage" in the 素敵なスカート they're talking about? I don't see how a skirt could do that, but there might be some cultural assumptions at play here that I am not aware of.

[Anonymous No.]

太めの女性をファックしたい

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>>17415272
I sometimes use the pomodoro technique to start studying, then after I get "in the zone" I just keep going until my brain gets foggy and I don't understand whatever I'm doing, then I go watch anime and repeat until the day ends and my mind is a wreck.
Alternatively I use positive reinforcement methods to get me going, either I reserve some anime I really want to watch as a reward for finishing X number of goals, or just buy a candy for the same effects, etc.
Just a few of the many ways to stop fucking around and start doing stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415470
ハム男ピザ男はやせろ

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>>17415091
No no no, I'm naturally logical enough to reach the conclusion that training myself to have the willpower to do shit I don't enjoy over a long period of time will make me enjoy it eventually. It's like sophisticated hedonism. To me, a nerd is some chad with 7 girlfriends who spends his time working out and being successful, who happens to own a marvel T shirt that he wears every now and then. No, I'm no nerd, I'm less than that. I'm a nothing, who aims at becoming a something through discipline. Nobody on /jp/ is a nerd. Nerd doesn't even mean anything anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

gg, went for two silly kokushii in a row at the start and got punished hard.

[Anonymous No.]

I downloaded the Core 2k deck from the DJT guide and it ended up looking liek this.

I remember I've dealt with this font issue before but can't remember/find the solution.

Could anyone give me some hints? Thanks!

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>>17415570
That's Core4/6 instead of the Core2/6 deck.

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>>17415570
Just use it like that, and you will learn to read Japanese 2x as fast since the words are cut in half.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415570
Upgrade to Windows 7.

[Anonymous No.]

why haven't i started learning japanese sooner? this is actually a lot of fun and even kanji are not that scary at all

[Anonymous No.]

>One of the trickiest part of Japanese is that there is no verb for the state-of-being like the verb "to be" in English.

There are, they just don't take direct objects, they're fossilized compounds.

>So you may be wondering, "What's the point of using 「だ」?" Well, the main difference is that a declarative statement makes the sentence sound more emphatic and forceful in order to make it more... well declarative.

This is "Korean Japanese".

>We can conjugate a noun or adjective to either its negative or past tense to say that something is not [X] or that something was [X].

You're not conjugating the noun/adjective, you're conjugating the copula. This causes a lot of confused questions about "conjugating nouns".

>This may be a bit hard to grasp at first but none of these state-of-being conjugations make anything declarative like 「だ」 does.

They're exactly as declarative. That is to say, not much at all. This is "Korean Japanese".

>Ok, so we can make a topic using the 「は」 and 「も」 particle. But what if we don’t know what the topic is? What if I wanted to ask, “Who is the student?” What I need is some kind of identifier because I don't know who the student is. If I use the topic particle, the question would become, “Is who the student?” and that doesn't make any sense because "who" is not an actual person.

It's preferred to use は with question words in certain situations like "何はいてるの", just not the situation Tae Kim is trying to cover right now. This is an answer looking for a question.

>It is also referred to as the subject particle but I hate that name since "subject" means something completely different in English grammar.

It doesn't. This is objectively wrong and extremely misleading and causes countless confused questions about が.

>Instead, I call it the identifier particle because the particle indicates that the speaker wants to identify something unspecified.

が is not about identifying something unspecified.

>The two particles 「は」 and 「が」 may seem very similar only because it is impossible to translate them directly into English.

Maybe not for pronouns, but you certain can with normal nouns.

>私は学生。
>I (am) student.
>私が学生。
>I (am) student.
>However, they only seem similar because English cannot express information about the context as succinctly as Japanese sometimes can. In the first sentence, since 「私」 is the topic, the sentence means, "Speaking about me, I am a student".
>However, the second sentence is specifying who the 「学生」 is. If we want to know who the student is, the 「が」 particle tells us it's 「私」. You can also think about the 「が」 particle as always answering a silent question. The second sentence might be answering a question, "Who is the student?" I often translate the topic particle as "as for; about" and the identifier particle as "the one; the thing" to illustrate the difference.

I'm a student. / I happen to be a student.

I'm the student. / I'm a student.

Fixed that for you.

This is only one of the times that tae kim's crappy hyper-"literal" example sentence translations trap his explanations in a web of uncertainty. It's a common problem throughout the guide.

>The 「は」 and 「が」 particles are actually quite different if you think of it the right way. The 「が」 particle identifies a specific property of something while the 「は」 particle is used only to bring up a new topic of conversation.

This is an answer looking for a question, and it's extremely confusing.

Keep in mind that Tae Kim hasn't mentioned that は can be used for things that don't look like subjects yet. At all.

>All adjectives fall under two categories: na-adjectives and i-adjectives.

Japanese has a small number of true adnominal adjectives like とある and 大きな, neither of which are na/i-adjectives and neither of which conjugate. This is especially important for 大きな because it's common and people need to not treat it as a na-adjective. The この・その・etc words are also adnominals. the Japanese word for this is 連体詞.

>Unlike na-adjectives, you do not need to add 「な」 to directly modify a noun with an i-adjective.

Pick one: the な and い are part of the word or they're not. You can't have both. An eight-line paragraph about distinguishing i-adjectives and na-adjectives comes directly before this statement and doesn't once draw the direct parallel between な and い.

In the whole lesson, Tae Kim doesn't mention that ない is an i-adjective, even though he says here that it conjugates the same and introduces it in an earlier lesson.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415655

>A grammatically complete sentence requires a verb only (including state-of-being).

A grammatically complete sentence does not even require a verb. You only need a predicate, and a predicate can be implied, like na-adjectives or nouns without the な or だ. You cover this in the first or second lesson. Come one.

This being pulled out as a warning causes a lot of confusion and makes a lot of people ask really dumb questions when they run into sentences that have no verb or i-adjective.

>Classifying verbs into ru-verbs and u-verbs

No. These are the worst names ever.

>All ru-verbs end in 「る」 while u-verbs can end in a number of u-vowel sounds including 「る」.

There you have it.

>For verbs ending in 「る」, if the vowel sound preceding the 「る」 is an /a/, /u/ or /o/ vowel sound, it will always be an u-verb. Otherwise, if the preceding sound is an /i/ or /e/ vowel sound, it will be a ru-verb in most cases. A list of common exceptions are at the end of this section.

This is hard for you to explain because you're starting at the categories and then trying to explain how to determine what kind of verb goes into what category, based on the word itself. This isn't only ridiculous because you haven't taught what the difference between the two types of verbs actually us (how come ~iru and ~eru verbs can go into either category?). It also primes people to go through mental gymnastics to figure out what kind of verb a verb is, when you're never going to learn a verb without seeing its conjugations (which tell you which kind it is) several times.

>These two verbs 「ある」 and 「いる」 are quite different from all other verbs because they describe existence and are not actual actions.

These are not even close to the only verbs that don't describe an actions.

>Changing a u-verb from dictionary form to the past tense is difficult because we must break up u-verbs into four additional categories. These four categories depend on the last character of the verb.

Nobody but Tae Kim breaks "u-verbs" up into four categories based on what character they used for the past tense. Even worse, he puts く and ぐ verbs in the same category. He does this without implying that it's based on a different verb form, which would dramatically simplify the explanation.

>The conjugation rules for the past-negative tense are the same for all verbs. You might have noticed that the negative of just about everything always end in 「ない」. The conjugation rule for the past-negative tense of verbs is pretty much the same as all the other negatives that end in 「ない」. You simply take the negative of any verb, remove the 「い」 from the 「ない」 ending, and replace it with 「かった」.

He still doesn't verbally state that ない is an i-adjective.

>The 「を」 character, while technically pronounced as /wo/ essentially sounds like /o/ in real speech.

This is wrong. It's just pronounced as o. wo is merely technically valid.

>Unlike the direct object we're familiar with in English, places can also be the direct object of motion verbs such as 「歩く」 and 「走る」. Since the motion verb is done to the location, the concept of direct object is the same in Japanese. However, as you can see by the next examples, it often translates to something different in English due to the slight difference of the concept of direct object.

English does the exact same thing. "I walked the pavement." "I ran the track." The nuance is almost exactly the same.

>When you use 「する」 with a noun, the 「を」 particle is optional and you can treat the whole [noun+する] as one verb.

Not all nouns can be treated as "one verb" when you do this, only "する verbs".

>With the 「に」 particle, the verb does something toward the word associated with the 「に」 particle. For example, the target of any motion verb is specified by the 「に」 particle.

Noooooo.

>For example, the location of an object is defined as the target of the verb for existence （ある and いる）. Time is also a common target. Here are some examples of non-motion verbs and their targets

You have decided upon the jargon "target" and now you're coiling yourself in convolution. You did this to yourself.

>The primary difference between the 「に」 and 「へ」 particle is that 「に」 goes to a target as the final, intended destination (both physical or abstract). The 「へ」 particle, on the other hand, is used to express the fact that one is setting out towards the direction of the target.

This is extremely easy to misinterpret as the opposite of what he's trying to convey because his explanation of に remains so unnatural.

>Note that we cannot use the 「へ」 particle with verbs that have no physical direction. For example, the following is incorrect.
> 医者[strikeout]へ[/strikeout]なる。
> （Grammatically incorrect version of 「医者になる」.）

Coiled in your own poor explanation of に.

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>>17415661

>It may help to think of 「で」 as meaning "by way of". This way, the same meaning will kind of translate into what the sentence means. The examples will then read: "Saw by way of movie theater", "Go home by way of bus", and "Ate lunch by way of restaurant."

This only makes it harder for people to understand で.

>The 「から」 here meaning "because" is different from the 「から」 we just learned and will be covered later in the compound sentence section. Basically the point is that the two sentences, while written the same way, are read differently and mean completely different things.

The first sentence here is completely unrelated to everything after it, which is about なにで vs なんで. Also, he doesn't just side-note that から as in "from" attaches to things and から as in "because" attaches to statements, which would eliminate the confusion. He also could have found an example that doesn't use から.

>When direct object is the topic

He finally explains that は can be used for things that are nothing like a subject.

>In Japanese, sometimes there are two types of the same verb often referred to as transitive and intransitive verbs.

This is the first sentence of a nine-line paragraph that would be more helpful and more accurate if it were boiled down into "Intransitive and transitive verbs use different particles. Intransitive verbs don't accept a direct object with を. English does the same thing, you can't use a direct object with "die". Some things in Japanese have two verbs where English has one, like 落ちる and 落とす vs just "drop". It's important to know that Japanese has different vocabulary than English." which would be three lines plus a couple words.

>The important thing to remember is that intransitive verbs cannot have a direct object because there is no direct acting agent.

This is not because intransitive verbs have no agent. It is because they are "not transitive". Transitive verbs can express agentive actions, just not ones that also take a direct object as an argument. This is even worse because he follows it up with intransitive verbs of motion like 出る, some of which can obviously have a direct acting agent.

>Have you noticed how, many forms of verbs and the state-of-being conjugate in a similar manner to i-adjectives? Well, that is because, in a sense, they are adjectives.

He finally implies that ない is an i-adjective, but he does so in the context of using verbs "like adjectives" to make relative clauses. What the fuck.

>You can, however, have a string of nouns placed together when they're not meant to modify each other. For example, in a phrase such as "International Education Center" you can see that it is just a string of nouns without any grammatical modifications between them. It's not an "Education Center that is International" or a "Center for International Education", etc., it's just "International Education Center". In Japanese, you can express this as simply 「国際教育センタ」 (or 「センター」).

They are exactly modifying each other from left to right. This is just how compound words work. People learn this in Elementary school. You don't have to invent a "cool teacher" non-linguistic explanation for it. All it does is make it take longer to explain.

>Now that we've learned the concept of relative clauses and how they are used as building blocks to make sentences, I can go over how Japanese sentence ordering works. There's this myth that keeps floating around about Japanese sentence order that continues to plague many hapless beginners to Japanese. Here's how it goes.

Opening of an incorrect three paragraph tirade about Japanese not being an SOV language despite the fact that it absolutely is and Tae Kim just doesn't understand what that means or how to explain what implications it has.

>The 「と」 particle is similar to the 「も」 particle in that it contains a meaning of inclusion. It can combine two or more nouns together to mean "and".
>Another similar use of the 「と」 particle is to show an action that was done together with someone or something else.

He introduces と as an "inclusion" particle, and mentions that it can also include doing an action with someone or something else. He says that this is "another similar use" and doesn't tell the reader at all that it's semantically unrelated to the listing function that he covers right above and below.

>「とか」 also has the same meaning as 「や」 but is a slightly more colloquial expression.

とか doesn't actually have the same meaning as や.

>The 「の」 particle has many uses and it is a very powerful particle. It is introduced here because like the 「と」 and 「や」 particle, it can be used to connect one or more nouns.

These are completely unrelated forms of "connection" and when you compare them as similar things all you're doing is confusing people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415664


>The 「の」 particle in this usage essentially replaces the noun and takes over the role as a noun itself. We can essentially treat adjectives and verbs just like nouns by adding the 「の」 particle to it. The particle then becomes a generic noun, which we can treat just like a regular noun.

This is unrelated to everything else in this lesson, which is already a collection of random stuff confusing to learn as a set.

>To express state-of-being, when the 「の」 particle is used to convey this explanatory tone, we need to add 「な」 to distinguish it from the 「の」 particle that simply means "of".

No, you have to add な for the same reason you add な for the "generic noun" version of の. You are modifying の with a relative clause. You just covered this right before this. You are implying that the explanatory の and the generic nouns の have very different syntax, when they are fundamentally the same.

>Let's see some examples of the types of situations where this grammar is used. The examples will have literal translation to make it easier to see how the meaning stays the same and carries over into what would be very different types of sentences in normal English. A more natural English translation is provided as well because the literal translations can get a bit convoluted.

"I'm bad at explaining grammar, so I'm hiding behind incorrect literal translations."

>The adverb 「早く」 is a little different from the English word 'fast' in that it can mean quickly in terms of speed or time. In other words, Bob may have eaten his breakfast early or he may have eaten it quickly depending on the context. In other types of sentences such as 「早く走った」, it is quite obvious that it probably means quickly and not early. (Of course this also depends on the context.)

You're talking about はやく, not 早く. The kanji 早く is prescriptively only used with the "time" meaning, and sensible writers will make the distinction. The prescriptive kanji for the "speed" meaning is 速く, and again, sensible writers will make the distinction. By saying that 早く, as in the word written in kanji, has both meanings, you are isolating the learner from the distinction that some writers can make, and making it harder for them to understand for sure what good writer are saying, not easier. He spends two paragraphs on this, he can afford the verbage to explain what's actually going on in a concise way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415661
>A grammatically complete sentence does not even require a verb.
So Lesson 1 should be 体言止め

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415671
He does actually cover that in lesson 1 or 2. He just explains the idea behind "there has to be a statement" wrong by talking about verbs instead of statements.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415655
>>17415661
>>17415664
>>17415667
autism

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415655
>>17415661
>>17415664
>>17415667
What's this Tae Kim?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415695
Yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't really understand this sentence. 肩すかし is some kind of crazy fighting move that she くらった receives? That's the meaning I arrive at with rikai... It's weird because 1-2 lines before that, they were arguing about what to buy, but then 佳織 was yelling like "ええええぇ" and then this line

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415700
Look up 肩透かしを食う.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415655
>>17415661
>>17415664
>>17415667
wtf I don't know basic grammar anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415733
DOBJG will clear up a lot of weird explanations TK gives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17414903
In the sense that reading Spiderman does not make you any more literate

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415755
It does though.
http://www.sdkrashen.com/content/articles/comicbook.pdf
http://www.sdkrashen.com/content/articles/1996_is_comic_book_reading_harmful.pdf

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>>17415755
But that's how you get urban youths to read

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a list out there anywhere of all the 形声文字 (or at least all the ones in the jouyou set)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415655
>>17415661
>>17415664
>>17415667
>>17415750
>learning japanese in english

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>>17415750
Or VJG or HJGP or even Sakubi. TK is just that confusing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415796
I too started my Japanese learning career by opening up a Japanese grammar book and staring at the characters until I knew what they meant.

[Anonymous No.]

By the way I also tried to do this with Imabi a couple months ago but quit three or so lessons in because the writing was too bad to criticize in short wording.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415818
What resources would you say are actually reliable for reading about grammar?

Or are you in the "learn it through exposure" camp which rejects grammar guides altogether?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415655
oh shit now i dont know if i even know japanese anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415857
I recommend Sakubi for Japanese grammar guides written in English. DOJG is also good but it's not really a guide so much as... well, a dictionary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415868
>Sakubi
Seriously?

The guy who wrote it himself admits that he isn't even close to fluent.

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>>17415857
Actual person you're responding to, use whatever you can.

Grammar guides give you an extremely useful foundation even if they're confusing. The most important thing is that you move on to reading as soon as possible.

Reading is much better for learning grammar than grammar guides. The only reason people don't jump straight into reading is because reading gives so much less non-linguistic context that it's almost impossible to pick up the basics: >>17415806

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>>17415874
don't have to be fluent to outdo someone who tries too hard to be the "cool teacher" and someone else who tries too hard to be the "edgy linguist"

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>>17415874
Sakubi only covers bits of grammar that you don't have to be fluent to understand properly. It had a couple dysfluent example sentences but I can't find any anymore, I think he replaced them with quotes from VNs and fixed the ones he didn't replace.

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>>17415879
Chill somewhere else Sakubi-kun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415885
are we randomly accusing anons of being people we don't like now

imabi detected.

[Anonymous No.]

Should I read Sakubi if I've already done Tae Kim? I'm also thinking of watching VJG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415898
You've got nothing to lose if you weren't going to use that time reading anyway.

But if you're not confused about anything in particular I think you should stick to reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415898
only one of those was made by a native japanese linguist with major academia creds so id go with that one

[Anonymous No.]

>mfw just spent 8 hours reading tae kim and learned hiragana and katakana from the start and did my first 60 new words on anki and 5 pages of notes

how do i stop to take a break before i burn out and quit before i even really get started with learning this shit

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>>17415905
better switch to sakubi before your blood runs out

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415905
Basically just stick to 20-30 words a day in Anki for a couple months to see if that's comfortable. The majority of people can't handle 60 I think. And remember, it's better to turn off new cards to work on review mountains than it is to limit reviews or, god forbid, drop Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415899
>>17415903
Thinking about it again sakubi does seem like a waste of time. I'll still do VJG anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415917
VJG is very time consuming, just look stuff up in HJGP. https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/

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>>17415882
So he can't even produce correct sentences using simple grammar that "you don't have to be fluent to understand properly", yet he thinks he's in a position to write a grammar guide explaining how Japanese works to people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415911
it's jsut many of the first words are familiar from anime so i kept adding more and more i'll put it down to 25 for tomorrow

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415923
Please select which one of these is grammatically normal.

助けてもらう
助かってもらう

No cheating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415928
Not that guy, but first one right? Second one sounds weird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415923
Imabi and Tae Kim had dysfluent example sentences too (remember the "to use a person for the future" debacle?), so if you're going to critique Sakubi for that, you have to critique Tae Kim and Imabi too.

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>>17415917
vjg is very time consuming but so is learning japanese

it gives you the shit you need to survive and having it explained to you with visuals can be effective

if it wasnt effective or good they wouldnt have gone to the trouble so dont let anyone dissuade you from going through with it

make sure you complete the accompanying materials in addition to watching the lessons

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>>17415905
>60 new words on anki
stop

>>17415911
30 is too much. It's not just about how much you're capable of learning in a day, it's how many daily reviews you end up as a result of it.

The amount of reviews you end up having to do even at a pace of 20 a day eventually becomes quite high.

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>>17415932
That's right. Sakubi used to say 助かってもらう in the て form section. It wasn't until he had to edit the て form section because he realized he never finished restructuring the first half of the guide that he changed it to 助けてもらう. I can't find a single post telling him that it was wrong, so I can only assume that his Japanese improved a lot since the original draft.

Those first drafts are the ones where he said he wasn't fluent. Hell, the guide might have been picked up by a different author. The first drafts were completely anonymous, we don't know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415943
I did 30 so I guess I'm biased.

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>>17415945
"Did"? Not "do"?

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>>17415940
and sakubi is completely public domain so people can just fix mistakes unlike tae kim and imabi which are attribution-licensed and fully protected respectively. sakubi is also a single file probably to make this easier, a long time ago someone on /a/'s djt was trying to strip down tae kim to just the grammar explanations without any of the rants and they gave up before finishing the first 1/3 of it. might even be the same guy.

[Anonymous No.]

Just fucking do it. Do something. Learn something. Read something. Get to the point where you can just read jap grammar books and leave this garbage behind as soon as you can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415981
and let's not forget actual Japanese dictionaries for words

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415981
why would you read japanese grammar guides if you can read japanese
>>17415997
why would you make it hard to look up words when you can get 90% of the quality benefit of switch from edict to J-J by switching from edict to kenkyuusha

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416010
You can't learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416017
i know more japanese than you

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416019
prove it faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416023
i'm not the one giving people advice man, pretty sure it's people giving advice that have to prove their japanese skill level

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415943
Not him, but i wish i had started with less new words on anki. I did 100 new words a day for almost a month and got really burnded out. It was some years ago and i still didin't get back to learning japanese seriously after that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415949
I passed my 3rd year of studying Japanese awhile ago and dropped Anki at the end of year 2.

[Anonymous No.]

>wanted to go through todays words again because trouble remembering them
>added more new ones for todays count
i need to go read the manual

[Anonymous No.]

I just wanted to thank whoever keeps the mega folder for podcasts, they've been a huge help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416255
which one is that in the core? pod101?

[Anonymous No.]

Anons, do any of you guys understand what "クズが！" means in this context? Pic related.

I tried to google it, and seems like a Japanese meme, but I couldn't understand well enough.

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>>17415755
>>17414799
Are video game reading?

[Anonymous No.]

Don't get discouraged by thoughts that other people may be learning the language faster than you.
Countless people have spoken and written in fluent Japanese for hundreds of years before you even began.
You won't be left behind; you will become part of that great tradition.

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>>17416344
Does everything have to be a meme nowadays? Chill out, fucker.

[Anonymous No.]

>深く、しわを刻んだような年代物のテーブルに落ち着かないような視線

What are all the things in this sentence doing? Like, what's up with the table and the gaze and the grooves in said table? I honestly can't piece together what exactly is going on between しわを刻んだような年代物のテーブル and the 落ち着かないような視線

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416370
Nevermind, I figured it out. しわを刻む meant something else.

Thanks all

[Anonymous No.]

How come there's no children's cartoon that teaches Nip like Dora teaches Spanish

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416515
Why would there be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416538
You'd think someone would've made an anime of that by now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416571
Yeah, but it's not as profitable as making generic moeshit anime and taking advantage of consumerist otaku.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416582
In the end, money talks, and impoverished weebs don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416571
they know that a big part of the appeal to anything japanese for westerners is the mysterium so theyre going to keep you out by any means necessary

[Anonymous No.]

Did audio stop working for anyone else in Rikaisama/Yomichan today? I can't hear any sound in the dictionary on the japanesepod101 website either so they must've broken something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415928
The former. 助ける isn't an u-verb because 助け is used like a noun quite frequently in newspaper

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416612
Look more closely.

[Anonymous No.]

細か(な)
細かい
Why isn't there just one or the other?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416615
The latter is intransitive I'm assuming? I dont think I've heard 助かる actually used.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416647
Yes, and it's very common. 助ける is just even more common.

If you don't hear 助かった on a regular basis you probably don't know Japanese.

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>>17416639
Who cares

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416650
Define "very common." Would I see it frequently in mathematics articles, e-mails, or?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416664
As in 助ける only shows up 200% as often as 助かる in normal Japanese, including conversations in offices etc.

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>>17416603
I meant more like an anime aimed at children.

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>>17416671
If you're using Rikaisama for frequency information, then you can only generalize as far as novels. But your conclusion still holds, as I am nowhere near fluent, if that is the definition of "knowing Japanese."

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416681
I'm not using Rikaisama's frequency information, its frequency information is very bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416684
Interesting how your "200%" calculation is a rounded-down result from the ratio of the two numbers in Rikaisama's frequency information then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416689
It's a rounded-up result from https://vnscripts.neocities.org/VNFreqList.tsv

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416689
>>17416695
Also offices use 助かる more than novels because 助かった is basically a "Thanks for doing X for me" stock response.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416695
So your frequency information is sampled from visual novels, and what makes that superior to Rikaisama's, which samples similar (but not necessarily identical) content?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416701
Rikaisama's frequency data used an extremely bad lexical analysis dictionary, IPAdic. This frequency list uses Unidic which is much, much less awful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416703
Thanks for the actual response. Would it still be reliable for telling which kanji is more frequently used in words with several kanji? ex: 会う vs 逢う vs 遇う

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416716
There's spelling variation data on the rightmost sets of 5 fields in each row but it's not normalized based on the length of the VN like lemma frequency data is so take it with a cup of salt.

[Anonymous No.]

爆発しないように、昼食を作りましょう

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know of a way of automatically dumping vocabs into a csv maybe by clicks or keyboard strokes?
I'm aware yomi/rikai can do it directly into anki, but I'm looking for something that outputs to a CSV instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416639
the -i adjective means literally small

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417083
>Tookyoo
>byooki
>hontoo
What the fuck is that retarded romanisation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417145
jsl probably

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417150
I know, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

my second read through of tae kim is going much better now that i have 6 weeks of study under my belt

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417195
Have you noticed the drinking problem yet? Its a common thread in his example sentences
hell he probably wrote the whole thing drunk as a skunk

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416942
おなかすいた

おにいちゃんごはんつくって

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416606
Yeah, audio isn't working for me either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416606
not working for me either

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417311
そいつもう..死んだ。多分

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone here tried kimera coffee to help with studying?
https://kimerakoffee.com/

I've seen some people talk about fish oil before, but now I found this "Turbocharge your brain" coffee that has fish compounds and more other stuff in it beneficial to the brain.

If no one here tried it I'll order some and see how it goes. Kinda expensive though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417486
snake oil. modafinil isn't

[Anonymous No.]

how long do daily reviews take when you get to like 2000+ words?

[Anonymous No.]

>fail a year-old mature card

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417591
You mean 2000+ words learned total or 2000+ big piles of reviews?

For me it was half an hour to an hour every day until I completed core6k and now it's going down again to like 5-10 mins.
But I only have 59 reps total today and most are from my mining deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417591
roughly an hour at my 4.2 seconds per card average
>>17417604
i know that feel, but better to fail it

[Anonymous No.]

どこをほっても塩水しかでません

どこを掘ったらガソリンがでますか

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412167
てめえら　どきやがれ
>Stand aside, you bastards!

how is the "stand aside" created?
i cant find a meaning for どき that would justify this translation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417591
I think it depends on how fast you got to that 2000.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417638
退く

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>>17417642

[Anonymous No.]

Today i'm going to go to the point of no return and learn the Kanji meme.
Imabi has a nice little "Kanji by grade" section.

Any advice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417638
>どけ

つよいことばだよ

>どいて

こっちをつかうことがおおいよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417522
Doesn't modafinil cause a strange skin reaction though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417743

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>>17417793
any drug small enough to get through the BBB into the organ we know barely anything about is guaranteed a side effect profile of not nice things
You don't take it for those

[Anonymous No.]

What are some good Japanese youtube channels?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17415655
>>17415661
>>17415664
>>17415667

Ah yes, of course, the true structure of the japanese language is the copulate pretense monofufu, but only in the syntax of accelerated particles. Be careful not to use the declarative "if" statement however, as this will change the verb stem from normal to prerogative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417853
I like
JPCMHD ツ
マル秘ゲーム
Nintendo/Pokemon/Square Enix Official Channels

For cooking:
へたくそ料理 runnyrunny999
Papadesuyo777

I subscribed to a lot more once but they all started to go on my nerves with time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417853
I watch asmr by cute girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417882
Thanks.

Do you know of any where the focus is more on someone just talking about stuff? e.g. (Sorry, I don't have any Japanese examples I can post so both of these are English channels):
Just standing in front of a camera and talking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSDrAY5Vqow
Video presentation with lots of talking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydVFqpbIIwA

[Anonymous No.]

Whats some good Light Novels with simple enough grammar that you enjoyed recently? I dont know much about Light Novels but i figure at least trying to read something would help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417928
さえかの

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417933
Really? Based on the impression that anime in general gave me, i would think light novels based around otaku stuff would pile on super complicated kanji and grammar and shit to try to sound cool. I'll try it out thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417923
I don't really have a specific example.
You can check what's popular in Japan and find one you like:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMlwQuZJJQppHO6-FkGgiqQ/videos

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417948
Oh, thanks for that. I'll have a look and see if I can find any.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417928
I've been reading Oreimo. The grammar really isn't as bad as you might think. So far, everything I did not understand has been in DOAJG

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417970
Yeah but you're reading Oreimo. I'm not sure why you would do that with your free time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417970
I'll keep it in mind

[Anonymous No.]

Why the fuck can't I remember my hiragana? I'm consistent in my memory, what should I do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417993
Read more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417993
Go play some baby games like Pokemon. It's pretty much 100% kana so if you dont have it down pat after like 2 badges you didn't even try.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417993
write it.
writing is so underestimated. its literally your body learning the letter. say it loud while writing it.

i still sadkek hard when i think how many years it took me to figure this out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417708
bumpidity bump

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418013
I do write it. Then I get depressed because my handwriting is shit and doesn't look like what I see on screen.

[Anonymous No.]

my friends mom is japanese and he spends every summer in japan and he got to learn it naturally and easy it's so unfair they sound like anime when i hear them talk while playing vidya on voice chat okaasan and all

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418029
i'm looking but I can't find the subscribe button
can you help me

[Anonymous No.]

>>17417993
>Why the fuck can't I remember my hiragana?
Because you don't have to.

As the other guy said play a video game and try to finish it. I'd recommend a JRPG because then you'll be forced to learn Katakana too to get to cities and remember names of important stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418031
[Subscribe]
thx 4 reading my blog pls like it really helps

>>17417708
anki2k

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>>17418027
My handwriting for あ is kinda shit, but everything else is k if you follow stroke order.

>>17415879
And Sakubi is the one who is a high school drop out linguist wannabe who sucks Steve Kaufmann's dick 24/7

[Anonymous No.]

fuck if rikai sound doesn't come back I'll be sad :(

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418043
how sad really, missing out on Ms. high strung and Ms. languid

[Anonymous No.]

At least Sakubi/djt doesn't follow the "learn words, not kanji" meme that leddit dicksucks so often.
Just look at this:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZMvUMwWe1JwwCDr3KTHrqmf3ridrI8A-AZue3TxGMX0/pub

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418035
I'll think of another game besides Pokemon, since I know how to play that without reading anything. I guess I still need to remember the abilities.

>>17418039
How do I write シ and ツ different? I mean, I know what to do but my hands are shit.　を　ふ　む are all hard to write to, with a pencil especially.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418051
I just like having audio on my cards. I even go out of my way to acquire audio for the "NOAUDIO" words and expressions

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418057
>I even go out of my way to acquire audio for the "NOAUDIO" words and expressions
how many words can you get on fiverr?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418063
I don't go THAT far, I just get words from forvo

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418056
ふ and む are cool enough to do with a pen (i'm used to writing in cursive in the normal alphabet), を can get a bit hard though and i ocasionally mess it up.

シ and ツ are easy to write differently, just try using the stroke order!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418027
>Then I get depressed because my handwriting is shit and doesn't look like what I see on screen.

if everybody who tried to learn something would think like this we would still live in caves.

read up on tofugus stroke order rules so you dont need to learn the exact stroke order and practice. every single time you write this it gets a tiny bit morei ngrained into your head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418069
damm i need this. if not just for 屋根裏部屋 but 編集者

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418052
Apart from the presence of genki that looks all right actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418095
>編集者
変質者 rather

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418129
Newfag here, what's wrong with Genki? I already downloaded it.

[Anonymous No.]

>blog on
I remember seeing that ~~なくたって once before in the game and being a bit confused but now I can see that was a pretty simple construction!
The problem was that I didn't know that was possible since なくた doesn't exist and I was perceiving that たって as a normal past form followed but って
>blog off

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418052
>Wanikani Route
It's great to see the best kanji learning resource™ out there being represented.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418180
It'll waste your time with exercises, uses language nothing like how it appears in real life, and in my opinion oversimplifies too much. There are much better resources that will get you started much faster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418212
This is right, it doesnt deserve that name. More like 憂鬱

[Anonymous No.]

How is your mining deck setup?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418272

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418272

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418283
Might as well not add any examples with shitty sentences like that.

[Anonymous No.]

Can I do the yotsuba reading pack decks instead of Core2K first? I'm planning to finish Core2K also but I burnt out after just 500 words. It really helps my learning when you work towards a goal and you can see your progress when you read rather than just grinding vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418302
It's an example sentence plugin, I don't do it manually. They are not all trash

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418310
News flash
You don't have to finish Core2K

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418272
Mine is pretty basic.
Do you add pictures manually to every word you mine?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418335
>tfw I just read that sentence in Hanahira and didn't mine this word because Rikai sound is broken right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418335
>Do you add pictures manually to every word you mine?
No, when I find words in stuff I read on the computer, then I snip the part where I found it to remind myself.
Like I added pic related for 柄頭

I sometimes do google image search instead of looking in a dictionary to see if I guessed correctly and then I also add an image because it takes no time to hit ctrl+c and v.

Still, less than 5% of my mined cards have images because I'm too lazy most of the time.

[Anonymous No.]

I know this is a bit of a pedantic question, but when you're reading Kanji, do you think:

>[Japanese translation] -> [English translation] (e.g. 'This is 'toki', that means 'time').
>Straight to English translation (e.g. 'This means 'time'').

I usually do the latter and I feel I should be proud for recognising it, but a part of me feels like I'm kind of half-assing my learning and it'll come back to bite me for things like listening to Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418310
This >>17418328
Don't be an Anki drone

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418360
I only bother to add images to vocab cards for things which could benefit from having a stronger visual association. Food, plants and animals, that sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418386
Neither is optimal. Ideally you want to understand the words in Japanese and move on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418388
Yeah, I mostly do that too, especially when it's stuff I don't even know how it looks like, for example 野沢菜 I had to look up.

Sometimes I leave out the english translation and just add the image, like here for the word たすき.

I also like to add images for onomatopoeia, best case an animted gif that shows the action.

When it's not beneficial at all I don't add an image unless it's right in front of me.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

I'm sure this is something that varies from person to person, but is it better to do your studying in large chunks, or in little pieces? I tend to do 10 or 15 minutes of studying, then take a little break and come back, but I feel like that's wrong for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418419
30m with breaks (that often ended in procrastination) is what i did when i first started.
When you can absorb enough on your own 1h is reccomended.

[Anonymous No.]

Started doing 2k a couple months ago, and usually I check the kanji in either jisho or kanji alive for radicals/hints to help me going.
Today, I arrived at the word 踊る, and after a brief search, I also found 舞 and 舞踊. Are really all of them carrying the same meaning, or is there a "socially acceptable" version for everyday speech?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418419
If I don't do Anki in one go then it gets exponentially slower with every break I take.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418410
Don't have an image for 手繦 but do for 甚平。
There are a couple of plants in my deck which I am now more familiar with in Japanese than English, thanks mainly to the image association. Say, if some flowers were growing in a park I happen to be walking through, chances are I'd be able to point out they were called 立葵 but not really sure what they are called in English. Some sort of holly rose something or other? I don't know. 朝顔 are those trumpet looking flowers. They've all got universal Latin names so it probably doesn't matter too much if you can't recall the English name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418440
Yeah same goes for me.
Don't forget 山茶花 and 牡丹!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418430
Read more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418419
I do very small increments throughout the day. I'm terrible at studying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418052
>djt doesn't follow the "learn words, not kanji" meme
These threads are full of people promoting this method and there's even a section in the guide about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418528
Indeed, me included. I think it's strange how some people find learning kanji in isolation better, but whatever floats your boat. My strongest opinion on the topic is that there is no one objectively best method, everyone learns differently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418547
>My strongest opinion on the topic is that there is no one objectively best method, everyone learns differently.
False, if you learn to write every kanji it's objectively better, but more time consuming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418551
>it's objectively better, but more time consuming
that's not how it works...

[Anonymous No.]

why not just learn the words and the kanji just fuckin learn it all you aint got shit else to do get it done mother fucker

if you want more motivational posts like this one just let me know by upvoting

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418551
It's not, though. You're wasting a lot of time and at the end you still can't read Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418558
You're objectively better at recalling them longtime.

Guess it comes down to how you define better.
Learning a language is not a race.

[Anonymous No.]

I was talking about kanji as in feelings

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418569
>You're wasting a lot of time
I'm not so sure about that.
Instead of half an hour of anki it's 15 mins more because you write some kanji.

The rest of your study day is exactly the same.
Unless you spend 24/7 a day reading no time is wasted.

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>>17418212
Literally every time I have started using something, someone else coincidentally mentions it in the thread as bad. Is taekim the only good grammar guide?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418595
Tae Kim is one of the worst, actually

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418595
No it's shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418592
just because you learn Kanji doesn't mean you don't have to learn vocab, so it's extra time

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418598
Fuck it, I just want to read. I'll just start going through books with imiwa and eventually I'll start learning things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418610
>imiwa

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418617

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418610
There's no one "perfect" guide. Your best bet is to use multiple resources to learn grammar. I used Tae Kim to get my feet wet but I've looked up stuff in the DoJG, watched 日本語の森 videos, and straight up googled shit to learn a lot of grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418610
I did tae kim until i got bored and looked everything i didn't understand upon reading either in DoJG, Sakubi, fuckin google sometimes, or asking here if i was desperate. It's been working ok.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418595
I strongly recommend Japanese The Manga Way. If you're feeling brave you might also try out sakubi, although it's quite new and I'm not sure how it's doing at the moment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418710
That book isn't perfect either. It's filled to the brim with ローマ字

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418730
Who cares? A bit of romaji won't kill you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418272
How do I make a mine deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418780
there is literally no reason to ever have romaji after the intro chapter with a chart of kana and a text that tells you to go to a fucking website that lets you grind them until it comes naturally

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418788
you just take the words and they're yours, my friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418789
I agree it's dumb, but if you already have the kana memorised seeing a bit of romaji by accident isn't going to hurt you.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the Japanese word for child-bearing hips? I swear I've seen it before but I can't find it anywhere now

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418813
it literally does it's incredibly harmful if you think about some word like baby for example and in your head you see aka-chan instead of 赤ちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418789
>>17418867
I'm doing Manga Way currently, I just right it as kana in my notes

[Anonymous No.]

is making an anki account safe? i need to go to a funeral soon so i won't be home for a few days though i guess the application itself would is probably already botnet so giving them one of my emails wouldn't change anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418901
lol paranoia
let me guess youre also afraid of using chrome

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418867
How is that association harmful? It might even be useful to you if you want to type fluently with an IME.
More importantly when it comes to reading, so long as you keep reading Japanese your brain will quickly throw any such associations away, because it simply has no use for them. In a similar way you will find familiar words commonly written in kanji hard to read if they're written in kana, because your brain doesn't bring up the kana anymore, only the sound.

[Anonymous No.]

will many job opportunities open for me if i learn japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418971
English teaching is one I can think of

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418971
you could write the next grammar guide!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418974
that's only if you're from the UK/US/AU/ZA/NZ

[Anonymous No.]

>あの人は成功せんがために、ずいぶんひどいことをやってきた。
Hehe I just cheated by looking at grammar for N1. When I eventually coming upon this grammar point while reading porn, I will already know what it means

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418979
Then none. If you don't already have a job, you're not going to magically get one because you were able to learn a "hard" language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418971
Nope. I'm deluding myself into thinking that I'll eventually get good enough at sculpting to attend AKGarden or Wonfes as a circle and eventually get a job with Kotobukiya, but I know that's not really going to happen. Just makes me feel a bit better than admitting that I'm learning it so I can play prostitute raising simulators.

[Anonymous No.]

So I'm having a problem with Rikaisama: it never plays audio at all anymore. Not when I press the key nor when I hover. I've rebooted firefox and even my computer. Does anybody have an idea?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419002
The server which serves the audio isn't responding. Just wait and it will probably be fixed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418971
Not really. If you are a "highly skilled worker" you may land a job there but I wouldn't count on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418998
sculpting?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any way to get audio for my mining deck if I didn't use the automatic import feature to create the cards?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418971
Maybe you can be a translator for Funimation

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419031
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419023
Toy making. I call it sculpting so I don't feel like the manchild I really am. I might actually have a chance to get a job with Daibadi if my shamrock mods turn out well. They're still small.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418850
PLEASE

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419145
You probably saw it in a Mikakunin image with a Benio blushing saying that she has a big rack and child bearing hips, look for that image and find it out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419017
Got a couple of friends from Venezuela that are doing AI research at the University of Tokyo. If third-worlders can do it so can you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419171
That sounds cool as fuck, not gonna lie. I don't think you can land a job in Japan that isn't STEM related unless you have connections though.
Luckly I am in STEM

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419155
Found it, 安産型

[Anonymous No.]

Reading is so much faster now that I've only mined 4/20 of the amount that I usually do daily.
Maybe I shouldn't mine every single word if it means I will only read half the amount of text? I mean, if a word is common enough, it will show up again anyway, so it's no use worrying about "missing words", right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419279
It doesn't matter if you have a backlog anyway, but why would mining words take time? It's one button.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419341
I add an image with the sentence which is +2 presses
if the word has no sound then it's like 10 more presses to download it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419279
What program is the screenshot from?

[Anonymous No.]

Any resource with graded Kanji that features stroke order?
I know most people here consume instead of producing, but it would be greatly appreciated if someone knows abotu what i mentioned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419440
All popular Kanji learning resources have stroke order. Though after having written a few hundred Kanji you won't even be thinking about or needing the stroke order as it begins to come naturally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419436
It's just the "Styled 2" html file from this guide: http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk
it's just text hooking

[Anonymous No.]

i downloaded the kangxi radical deck from djtguide and i don't know what to do with it because it only has the kanji and the english word, am i just supposed to memorize which kanji is which english word? are there supposed to be no readings to learn for them?

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>>17419444
RTK & KKLC use their own Kanji order, but i intend to learn by school grade order (OCD + can track my progress)
https://djtguide.neocities.org/resource%20guide.html#Kanji

All i see is mmemonic books or radicals, which is unfortunate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419463
it's not teaching kanji, it's teaching radical concepts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419473
Any reason you want to learn by school grade? Personally I see it as absolutely pointless and needlessly complicated for a person that does not speak Japanese as their native language. I don't know about RTK but KKLC is ordered in a way that clusters similar Kanji, which is something that benefits learners that aim for proficiency.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419484
OCD, just feels like the natural progress option, i'll check KKLC though.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there audio for the core 2k deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419537
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>17416363
I love you, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418278
にほんごフォントつかお

[Anonymous No.]

vn scripts for leyline 2 and 3

my.mixtape.moe/fkhypb.zip

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419845
I need SCRIPT.SRC too, otherwise I can't tell names from text.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419849
k i reuploaded

my.mixtape.moe/igpwlq.zip

[Anonymous No.]

I burned myself out on kanji study about a year ago doing something insane like 50 new cards a day.
I want to get back to it but not start from the absolute beginning (numbers, etc) because I've retained most of those. is there a setting or something I should check to help re-acclimating or should I just jump back in?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420005

read

when you find kanji you don't know add it to mining deck

[Anonymous No.]

Is getting a salary really that prevalent in Japan or is it just them fucking up the translation again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420130

Most people with real jobs get salaries

[Anonymous No.]

Quit learning japanese about a month ago when i started getting into the more advanced vocab. I constantly ran into exactly the same looking kanji and couldn't tell them apart without viewing them at the same time. Is there a way to overcome this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420183
radicals

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>>17420183
Draw them both and notice the differences.

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>>17420183
>Is there a way to overcome this?
Learn to write them

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420183
Try a radical deck. If that doesn't work, the mnemonic books absolutely will solve this problem for you, but they're even more tedious and dry than the worst grammar textbook.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419440
https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/kanji-stroke-order/

That's all you need to know for stroke orders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420183
By reading more

Everything can be solved by reading more

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420183
>I constantly ran into exactly the same looking kanji and couldn't tell them apart without viewing them at the same time. Is there a way to overcome this?
Hmm, I don't know. It's not like it's possible to learn kanji or anything, so I guess you're screwed :(

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>>17420130
pretty much anyone that isnt salaried is a freeter

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>>17417145
book by shoko hamano, a linguistics professor. academia loves JSL for some reason.

but you're right, perhaps the level of this text is too high for people still learning their japanese from korean immigrants. besides, it contains romaji, it must be shit.

[Anonymous No.]

How many average-length VNs does it take to hit upper-intermediate level?

For the sake of this post, let's say 1 route = a VN, and each extra route you do on top of that = half a VN (because you've already read the common route, which accounts for about half the length), so reading a VN with 5 routes would = 3 VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419279
>he still mines words
http://tadoku.org/en/vision

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>>17419279
Wait until you see a word twice (or maybe even a few times) before you mine it, then you know it's useful. If it turns out to be so common that there's no point having a card for it, you can just delete it when it comes up in your reviews.

Later, when you stop coming across new words so frequently, you can start mining every word you see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420508
Is there pdf?

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>>17420514
>How many average-length VNs does it take to hit upper-intermediate level?
30 at around 90 Hayashi 2 https://vnscripts.neocities.org/stats.html
>For the sake of this post, let's say 1 route = a VN, and each extra route you do on top of that = half a VN (because you've already read the common route, which accounts for about half the length), so reading a VN with 5 routes would = 3 VNs.
All routes are one VN, as the stats are based on that. There are no shortcuts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420539
Making Sense of Japanese Grammar. It's in the CoR.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm about 800 words into Core2k right now, it's gonna be a couple years until I can read Murakami in Japanese, huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420593
How many new words do you learn per day? Has your method worked so far?

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>>17420609

I'm doing 20 new words per day, and I'm probably gonna have to cut that down to 10 honestly. It takes me about an hour to get through my reviews (very picky about hitting "again") and by the time I'm done with it I'm pretty tired out. It's hard to strike a good balance between effective study and wanting to hurry up and know everything.

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>>17420545
So from your perspective then, it's 6 VNs containing 5 routes each in which you read every single route?

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>>17420668
I can give you some time ineffective but eventually worked and what I learned stuck forever for me advice.

Take a VN you want to read, then look up everything you don't know, make flashcards, reread from the beginning, do flashcards, reread. I split the game up into arbitrary segments so I eventually wasn't rereading from the very start anymore. Keep making flashcards (it's important to understand every single thing in what you're reading so do your due diligence on that) and rereading. How you pace it is up to you so just do it in a way that makes sense for you.

Sure, it took four months to finish the game. But I wasn't in it to read the VN as much as I was to absorb a bunch of shit I didn't know. I just set aside a specific amount of time and did it every day for three months.

I know a huge amount of the shit I read stuck because suddenly I knew a lot more things upon looking at new texts where I began this process again.

[Anonymous No.]

Is 負け犬 the next level after Christmas Cake?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420690
That sounds boring as fuck. It's boring enough already to read all these moeges as a grown ass man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420668
As long as you learn new words every day it should be good enough. Just keep learning, reading and listening and most importantly, have fun. I remember my embarassing korean experience where I wanted to learn 50 words a day. I stuck with it for 3 days and then stopped completely. Do what fits you the best and you will succeed.

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>>17420708
korean is ez though because you can actually read hanguls

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420671
Its not from my perspective, its from the stats on VN difficulty. If you ignore any route, they become useless as a measure of difficulty by which you should be steadily increasing.

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>>17420822
I don't really get it. What part of those stats suggests that 30 VN routes is the amount of reading it takes to reach upper-intermediate level Japanese ability? Where does this "30" figure from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420841
dont worry about labels and shit its all an illusion

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420849
I'm not really so interested in the label as the experience of actually being able to read and listen to things relatively comfortably without having to look up tons of words all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420841
>30 VN routes
30 VNs total, not routes.
And I pulled it both from my ass, and from someone else's post based on 'time before you are able to drop text hookers'
>>/jp/thread/S17329850#p17345071

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420851
if you have to ask that then probably never honestly

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>>17420854
>30 VNs total, not routes.
Ah right, I misinterpreted what you said in >>17420545

>All routes are one VN
I took this to mean a given route = 1 VN.

I should've probably realised my mistake. I was thinking that 6 VNs seemed like awfully little to have to read to reach that level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420854
From that link:
>Two, spend time thinking before checking the texthooker. It's very easy to just end up reflexively looking up a word in the texthooker instead of thinking which is bad since it's brainless and you will probably end up looking up words you would've remembered if you waited.
This is a very good point. Also applies to words you don't know, since you can often figure out their meaning from the kanji and from context

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420886
>>17420854
How much time does it take to read 30 VN?
I'm coming up on 1 year of reading, and I'm thinking about removing my texthooker since I'm probably relying on it too much.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does every torrented manga have such shit quality? It's such a pain to read. Yet every anime out there gets upscaled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420901
youre probably not relying on it too much and are instead just not taking any quality time with the text itself though there is something to be said about sitting cross legged on the floor flipping through a physical paperback kanji dictionary looking up kanji by rad and getting stoked when you find it exclaiming あった! late at night from your moms basement

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420914
>quality time
Explain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420919
i dont know you so explain why you think youre relying too much on your texthooking hoopla before i make any further assumptions

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420514
What if I told you that you don't even need to read any VNs at all to reach upper-intermediate level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420943
you dont and you also dont even need to know more than a few hundred kanji and you can be literally fluent and mop the floors with the posters itt

click here to find out how

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420947
So that's why there's so many hiragana only posters

[Anonymous No.]

SAYONARA BAISUTANDA~~~

[Anonymous No.]

Recently discovered I retain a lot more if I study once in the morning and once at night, why do people not usually recommend studying twice a day?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421102
Who recommends studying once or twice a day? How about studying at every possible moment?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421111
認めました
however, you've hit on the difference between a hobby and an obsession
the best meme floating around in order to convert from one camp to the other is the use of 'compelling content'

[Anonymous No.]

Context: Its Saekano. 2 characters who haven't been introduced yet are talking at the end of the school day in an either empty or almost empty classroom. I'm assuming the loud one is the main character. Main character guy is giving a synopsis of some fictional story that he either just made up or read about the other day or something to this other person. He got really excited started yelling and it echoed. Meanwhile the other other person was trying to get a word in, probably to say they dont care or something. The person talking right now im assuming is the other person.

>大音響で意味不明な夢物語を三〇分以上ノンストップで教室中に響かせてた口が迷惑とかそゆこと言う!?
The first part of the sentence im guessing is something like
>Your Dream (that you barely remember) has been echoing non stop for 3 full minutes.
I'm not entirely sure what 「三〇分」means and what the circle doing, but i just sorta guessed with everything that's around it. 「教室中に響かせて」not sure what に does here cause it makes me think that the sound is traveling to the room, even tho the room as far as I can tell is their current location. Maybe its shaking the room? I also have no idea what even the basic nuance of the rest of the sentence is trying to say other than you're annoying the people outside.

I dunno i need help here. I ca probably skip over this and keep going, but i feel like I'll be getting a lot of stuff like this so better get used to it sooner than later.

[Anonymous No.]

So if Tae Kim, Genki, Japanese the Manga way, and every other guide is shit, how am I supposed to learn Japanese? Just start reading and guessing at how the grammar works?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421176
Talk to Japanese people
RTK
Deadlift

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421176
Watch anime

[Anonymous No.]

Trying to read kanji in non-stylized text is hurting my eyes. What do i do. Is this a windows problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421176
They're bad, but its not like there's a better alternative. pick which ever one works best for you, stick it out to the end, speed through it (at a reasonable pace tho), and ditch it as soon as you possibly can for a more comprehensive but less beginner friendly resource like a dictionary of japanese grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421188
>implying you should drink ever white wine with steak
You might get away with a gewurtztraminer

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421176
Sakubi

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421263
Sakubi is based

[Anonymous No.]

I genuinely can't believe how good google translate's kanji recognition is. It got 繋 just fine even though I half-assedly drew it with my laptop's touchpad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421263

It seems a little short. Is that gonna be okay? Am I really gonna be okay with this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421422
It covers more grammar points than Genki I and Genki II combined.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm trying to do Anki but I keep having to hit repeat because I'm not retaining it. I just don't recognize the writing. How do you manage to learn that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421313
http://ce.linedict.com is better imo

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421439
It takes time as in individual days during which the daily study reaches a reasonable saturation point, not time as in individual minutes of effort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421439
add more learning steps
use the production deck and write the vocab to drill it in

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421439

How long have you been doing it? When I first started, I couldn't learn the cards at all. But now I'm about 800 words deep, which still isn't all that much in the grand scheme of things. All I can really say is that they start you out with numbers and days of the week/month and those are all a huge pain in the ass to learn: the cards that are coming after those are a lot easier in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421313
Yeah for me it can identify poorly scanned kanji that just look like black boxes but for some reason there are times it can't even identify kanji that are clearly legible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421489
He's talking about the hand-drawing recognition on google translate web, not the photo recognition in the google translate app. They're both black magic.

[Anonymous No.]

When reading text online, is it normal to have to increase the size of it a bunch to be able to read it? I can't read comfortably unless I zoom the window to at least 125%.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421492
オレの性別を推測したんばかりだ、テメエ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421461
3 days...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421533
Silly anon, there's no such thing as gender.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421544

I had a rough start, too. Just give yourself plenty of time, and don't get too worried about the start. In no time at all, you'll be recognizing kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17419795
どれは違うか
スクリーンショット後で一つを変えた　（ARIALー＞NOTO　SANS）

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421424

This is a tiny bit terse for me. I'm gonna stick with Tae Kim after all, I think. After all, it seems to be agreed that the general strategy is "plow through a grammar guide and then refer to DoJG when you're done for everything else."

[Anonymous No.]

https://ja.wikibooks.org/wiki/%E3%82%AC%E3%83%AA%E3%82%A2%E6%88%A6%E8%A8%98_%E7%AC%AC1%E5%B7%BB
b cool

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421671
You're contradicting yourself. If you acknowledge that grammar guides are for "plowing through", then you shouldn't have a problem with Sakubi's "terseness".

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421694

Hm, you're right. It's late. I'll think about this tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421697
read like 8~ sections a day of sakubi a sorta leisurely. When you pass the gauntlet start reading. Refer back to it if you forget anything that was in it, refer to DOJG when u see anything you dont remember. Basically your readings substitute for the lack of explanations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421697
Lateness is relative. For some people, it's morning right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421724
Also refer to HJGP

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421724

Should I make a mining deck as soon as I start reading? I'm nearing 1000 words in Core2k, and that doesn't seem like enough of a foundation to start "reading." Any other language, sure, but when I open a text and recognize about 5% of the kanji per page it's a little disheartening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418988
>あの人は成功せんがために
=成功するために

You must refer to ~んがために.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421176
When i first gone through TK and was reading i felt like a retarded Russian drunken baby who was trying to count to ten.
It will snap into you one day while reading.
Go through flavour of the month grammar guide, read while using it as reference.
That's it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421745
>I'm nearing 1000 words in Core2k, and that doesn't seem like enough of a foundation to start "reading."
Don't think like this. You can read a hiragana-only children's book if the kanji are bothering you so much. Just keep reading and mine. Eventually you'll know all the words on the page.
I stopped Core (about 600 words in) when I started Mining and it's been working for me so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421755
成功しようとして

だとおもってたんだけどちがうのかな

[Anonymous No.]

全面が赤紫色になったところで、被害者は死ななかった
what does ところで mean here?
Doesn't make sense if it's the usual meaning, makes sense though if it's ところ then で, is that right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421823
nvm, I got it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421735
Yeah check both desu

>>17421745
Yes, but don't get too carried away with mining especially since you're just starting out. If you're reading One Piece you're gonna wanna Mine 海賊 cause its gonna be on every other page ya know?
If you're doing light novels, you can ctrl-f to see how many times a certain kanji or phrase shows up.

Typically If I see something and remember seeing it earlier, I'll check to see how many times it shows up in later and I'll mine it if it shows up more than 10 times, or if it shows up less than 10 times but its far off from where I currently am. Also if its blatantly obvious im gonna see it alot like with the 海賊 example.

Basically dont bother mining literally everything. Save mining every word you don't know for when every word you don't know isn't 2000 of the kanji that appear in the book.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Flying Witch readable for a complete beginner, or for someone just having read some Yotsuba?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421834
Anything is readable if you try hard enough.
頑張って！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421834
Its easier to just read the first 5 pages and see for yourself if its outta your depth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418272

[Anonymous No.]

Is Yotsuba readable for a complete beginner, or for someone just having read some 源氏物語?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418272

[Anonymous No.]

>>17418057
Download the JDIC Audio from the CoR and use that. It has a few hundred thousand mp3 files worth of words, and I think it is the one Rikaisama uses.

[Anonymous No.]

>旅客 - りょかく
I always answer this card as りょきゃく which is an alternate pronunciation.
How should such an answer be marked? It's wrong based on the card, but kinda right based on the word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421916
りょきゃく is less common and you should mark an answer of りょきゃく as wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

I post Sakubi to upset people in the other thread. What about you guys?

[Anonymous No.]

What colour is 「淡い水色」? The word sounds redundant. 「水色」 already looks like a 「薄い色」 to me. I'm looking at Daijirin's definition and example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421948
>The word sounds redundant
Probably because it isn't a word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421948
it's (light water) color, not light (water color)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421953
>pol brackets

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421954
there need to be three for it to be antisemitic anon

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a specific rule to how to interpret 自分, especially when there are two topics (persons)? Is it the most recent that is brought up in that case?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421957
It prefers the topic and it prefers whatever is most logically sensible and relevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421927
I don't browse the /int/ thread since its full of koreans, what's their consensus on Sakubi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421960
Well, it just threw me off how it was used in my readings. For example in one sentence the speaker said 「私は。。。」「あの女は自分が。。。自分で」. So I assume 自分 is talking about the speaker here, just wanted to make sure if it followed some rule.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421967
wow dude how about you cut out some more words and sentences from the context, just leave the 。。。 there next time

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421961
>Weird how there a lot of people giving opinions about this shitty guide lately, huh? It's almost as if their objective was to pretend to dislike/have no interest in a product just in order to justify namedropping and ongoing discussion!
>"Second" or "third" anon to say that "at least it's CC0!", REALLY makes me think...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421974
Here's some more context:
>。。。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421961
I learned a lot from those two you-tube videos posted there
especially that lecture in the second video, though that stuff may already be known to you if you're into linguistics or some shit
but for a pleb like me it was a paradigm shift

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421974
I just wanted to clarify by showing what 自分 indicates with the current topic, but I guess it was more confusing than helpful. Sorry!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421985
The は particle stores things in the topic, but it's not the only way to control the topic in Japanese. You need full context, not just linguistic but also situational, in order to understand what is the true topic of a statement that does not mark its own topic with は.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421916
あたまのりを低くアクセントをつけないで発音すれば

どっちでもつうじるんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

りにアクセントつけたらぜったいダメだよ

がんばれおにいちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421951
Okay fine, I will be more precise. How is the adjective 淡い modifying the adjectival noun 水色 not redundant? It sounds like "very unique" to me. That is, 水色 already looks like a 薄い色 to me, so why can we say 淡い水色?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422009
It's a dark charcoal color.
It's a light pink color.

It's not redundant, it makes the lightness more extreme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422009
Same reason you can say it in English and every other language. Do you think it's weird when someone says "hot flames" or "cold ice" too?

[Anonymous No.]

Is 貴方は貴方で simply for emphasis? The English equivalent of "You and only you"?
>ごめんなさい。貴方は貴方で色々抱えているのに

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422038
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422038
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/
は…で

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421912
Woah, dude! Thanks for the tip! It does seem like it's the same as the one Rikai uses.
Now I'll just have to figure out how to use it without having to copy the whole thing into my media folder. Do you have any tips on that?
My first ideas are either redirecting whatever rikai queries to my local files somehow, or rewriting rikai altogether, though I'm not sure how I would go about doing either, but both seem feasible to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422009
I don't see the problem with specifying a lighter variant of a light color. So long as it's not pure white, you could always have it lighter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422047
It's not specifying a lighter variant of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422047
You can go lighter than "pure white" too, all the way until the optic nerves are overloaded.

It's nearly impossible to have something really truly honestly legitimately "white". In terms of physical perception, the best you can get without damaging something is a very bright gray.

>>17422048
The other way of looking at it is, it's restricting 水色, which contains both なんか薄い色 and たしかに薄い色, to be just the たしかに薄い色.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422047
I guess >>17422023 is correct then.

>>17422025
Both sound weird to me, unless used figuratively, or you are saying, for instance, the flames of an oxyacetylene torch are "hot flames" relative to the temperatures of the flames from other torches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422009
Give ＧＡ－芸術科アートデザインクラス－ a read. It has hundreds of these sorts of references and enough physical context to start to see how these things are used in the world of arts and crafts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17412474
Yea, it helped me turn my life around and be productive too. Everything is better since I started

[Anonymous No.]

きょう

ふと

かんじました

にほんしょくってだいたいしょっぱい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422141
え、違うわよ

[Anonymous No.]

Any good resource\workbook to practice writing? I've been completely immersed into absorption of the medium and spoken skills are low as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421858
Could you share this deck?

[Anonymous No.]

is textfugu any good? I remember people praising it in the past

[Anonymous No.]

How many kanji should I learn before I could start learning 10 kanji/vocabularies per day through reading raw manga

[Anonymous No.]

The next post is going to be total nonsense

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422237
No, it's not even complete and an abandoned project.
Content wise it was decent I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>How to get motivation to read things outside my comfort zone
Specifically these novels I have lying around

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422327
By wanting to read them really badly. If you don't already have the motivation you don't want to read them as much as you think you do, so look for other stuff that creates that feeling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422348
I want to read them but looking up words is really tedious and I always fall back to manga or LNs where I don't really have to look up much. Though I always get motivation in bursts and then massive downtime so eventually I'll probably grind through them

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422327
Read slightly erotic literature and the motivation will come, as will you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422327
Its gets a lot easier once you get past the first couple pages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422358
As a general rude, the more erotic the literature is, the worse the writing becomes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422365
>mfw I've read the first few pages multiple times

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422376
Very rude.

You can also give the chastity method a try.
Whenever you get horny read to distract yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422395
>Very rude.
Why is that rude? Erotic literature is trash, everyone knows this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422405
I was just mocking your typo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422411
Didn't even notice, my bad. Rude indeed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422170
あめりかのごはんは

だいたいあぶらっぽい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422355
Complete Core 20k then you will know all the words in the language and not have to look anything up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17420943
You need to read *something*. I was just talking about VNs since they're a convenient metric.

If you know a VN takes you, say, 1 month to finish, then if someone says you need to read 30 VNs to achieve a certain level you can convert that in your head to "30 months of reading [anything]".

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421176
https://www.youtube.com/user/lingosteve/search?query=grammar

[Anonymous No.]

>>17421422
The person who wrote it doesn't even know Japanese. Don't fall for the meme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422418
それは事実

[Anonymous No.]

If you can't pass N1 after 8 months it is time to give up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422570
>giving up

[Anonymous No.]

>々
How can one kanji have so many readings? べつ、われ、どき、しょう, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422555
ギトギトのりょうりがみたいです

どうしたらみられますか

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422418
>>17422555
いや、アメリカの料理は世界で一番甘いと思う。
あぶらっぽいのはオートキュイジーヌだろう。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422483
>since they're a convenient metric
How?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422602
(You)

[Anonymous No.]

士

《解字》象形。男の陰茎の突きたったさまを描いたもので、牡（おす）の字の右側にも含まれる。成人して自立するおとこ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422629
In the way I explained.

Manga vary too much in length and are too short to be a useful measure of reading time anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422669
>象形文字です。「まさかり(斧)」の象形から、「まさかりを持つような

>男子・武士・戦士」を意味する「士」という漢字が成り立ちました。

[Anonymous No.]

If you can't pass N5 after three years it's time keep going

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422673
>Manga vary too much in length and are too short to be a useful measure of reading time anyway.
The exact same can be said about visual novels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422691
I'm pretty sure that definition is wrong. I just checked 広辞苑 and it also gives the ちんぽ explanation:
>男子の性器の象形。おとこの意を表す。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422692
く..口ごもる

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422692
窘めてあげるよ！
冗談はやめて・・・

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422708
Right, just try comparing something like Fate/stay night with some generic 2h long nukige...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422751
That undermines the premise of your argument and highlights that using a generic value such as 1 VN is entirely meaningless.
Manga publications are at least lot more consistent with page numbers and format: yonkoma volumes are pretty much going to be around 120 pages and roughly double the text density per page of non-yonkoma manga format volumes, which tend to be between 140~210 pages each, most falling around the ~170 page mark.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422777
Yeah but manga isn't reading in the first place so that argument is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422780
What is it them listening?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422777
I'm not the poster of >>17422708 and was in fact supporting your arguments. I also agree that manga can be somewhat more consistent in it's length.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422789
It would appear that I took your comment entirely the wrong way, mistaking it for stereotypical /jp/ passive-aggression. Sorry about that, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422783
It's just looking

[Anonymous No.]

So if my prime goal is simply reading manga, after tae kim should I just start reading them? How long would it take to get comfortable?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422806
Yeah. Depends on you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422780
It IS reading but the low text density doesn't make learning very effective. And arguably, VNs are less effective for learning than actual books.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422780
>manga isn't reading
Depends on the genre, target group and how you approach manga.
I spend almost no time looking at the drawings and focus on progressing the story instead. That's why I hate battle scenes in manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422815
That's great because VNs seem like they will get boring quickly. Real books seem much better to me than works of this gimmicky hybrid genre.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422780
That's quite an insistence.
>>/jp/?ghost=yes&task=search&search_text=%22manga%20isn%27t%20reading%22


>>17422815
>but the low text density doesn't make learning very effective
That's complete bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

Let's all rememeber that the most important thing is having fun with whatever you're reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422830

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422816
It's not reading because of how the text in it is written and structured, not the pictures. If you aren't making use of the sole selling point of the medium, the art, it's pretty dumb of you to continue reading them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422840
>It's not reading because of how the text in it is written and structured
So reading a screenplay is not really reading in your opinion as well, or what do you mean by this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422846
They're all different kinds of reading, some more effective at condoning reading large amounts of text

[Anonymous No.]

When should you use 描く「えがく」 and 描く「かく」?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422885
this sounds like a nice question for google good luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422827
>That's complete bullshit.
How so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422885
What's that at the bottom?

[Anonymous No.]

ive been away for a long time, didnt these threads used to be on /a/? what happened?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422936
No they have always been here. Your memory must be bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422891
Not him, but as someone who reads both novels and manga regularly, I can say they are about equally demanding for me and looking through my mining deck it's also pretty balanced.

As long as you read outside of your comfort zone anything is fine.

The "low text density" just means you finish a volume in less time than it takes you to finish a book, but you are still limited by your overall reading speed so it doesn't make a difference in terms of how much you learn.

[Anonymous No.]

What kanji is this at the start, I can't read the handwriting, it's too small.
茨?
凄?
凌?
夜?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422958
Why do you tell lies on the internet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422960
教

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422976
Thank you, I really couldn't tell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422958
Yeah, when I started I believed that manga would be easier because the sentences are shorter and there's generally less text, but actually it's the opposite. Manga gives you a bit of contextual information "for free" in the form of pictures, but the contextual information in a book, notwithstanding the fact you have to read it all, is actually a lot more helpful, and each bit you get helps you to understand several others so you end up with a much better picture of what's going on.

[Anonymous No.]

>the manga wont teach you japanese psyop

how droll

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422960
To me it looks like 変. But maybe need context to confirm.

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone here provide me with information about the background of the ps3 Tales of Vesperia fan translation? I want to use the online version, the one from hyouta dot com, as a source for Anki, grammar analyzing... Just as a reference tool mainly.

I got kind of worried/curious when I checked how they seem to have used the official xbox 360 translation verbatim. As a result, when reviewing the raw text and the "fan" translated text side to side in the online version, the "localization" decisions stand out a lot.

I would like to hear opinions/criticisms about this translation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423234
What you are currently thinking of doing is extremely retarded and you should refrain from it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423234
I imported the PS3 version a while back and played it. You don't need a translation it's fairly easy.

[Anonymous No.]

Educational Comics

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423234
If I say please, would you elaborate?

Maybe I should clarify that it is not going to be my main learning resource or anything. I know where to look if I want grammar explanations and I have plenty of custom decks from past experience with games.

>>17423260

Me too, but I'm not the type that 100%'s games nor talks with every npc...

I just like how the online version let's me check everything with ease. And I thought it would make a nice learning resource on the side. Like, getting some perspective from the way other people have worked translating japanese before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423306
>>17423236
Meant to quote you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422483
>If you know a VN takes you, say, 1 month to finish

Is that even possible? Flyable Heart took me 11 months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423315
That's because you're bad at Japanese and invested in less than an hour a day reading.

[Anonymous No.]

RIKAI SOUND IS BACK?!
I should still figure out a way to make it work offline since who knows when it might die again

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423412
No it's not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423427
It works for me at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423458
That's pretty strange considering the servers the audio is fetched from are still down.

[Anonymous No.]

About how hard is it to get onto the Japanese server for black desert if you're not in Japan? How serious are they about keeping people in their respective regions?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423458
>>17423464
Alright it just came back for me too. Thank fucking god.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423484
eat shit gayjin

[Anonymous No.]

can someone explain to me the concept of 友達募集?

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw to intelligent to learn anything other than Aomori-ben

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423583
読んで字の如くだろう

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423606
well yeah ok
but like how does the culture around it work? it seems like a pretty big thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423597
intelligent? you realize those are japanese hillbillies

[Anonymous No.]

Why did this bloke add these meaningless white narration lines?

[Anonymous No.]

is there an LN that both not hot garbage but also not hard as steel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423658
>is there an LN that not hot garbage

no

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423658
キノの旅

[Anonymous No.]

is there a manga that both not hot garbage but also not easy as pudding?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423676
じょしらく

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423676
gantz

[Anonymous No.]

>Unlike English style of writing which discourages the use of the passive form, passive verbs in Japanese are often used in essays and articles.
Wow. Is he talking about Korean English or what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423768
>uses a passive structure in a sentence right after saying that the "English style of writing" doesn't encourage that

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423768
No, real English. Teachers hate passive voice and never want you to use it. I never understood it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423782
It's quite common in Academic English (although some style guides disparage it).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423768
All my English professors told me not to use passive voice, and even newer Word versions underline overly passive sentences.
The whole point is that direct actions sound better than indirect ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423768
Steven Pinker brings up the passive voice, among other things related to suggested style. It's pretty entertaining to listen to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV5J6BfToSw

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423658
Yes, check out 小学館ジュニア文庫

I like to read the detective conan light novels.

>>17423676
つぐもも

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423825
>chomsky-ites

[Anonymous No.]

Audios work again. We're gonna make it, bros.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423800
Same, but then in university the professors told us to avoid "I", "We" etc. and use passive instead when writing scientific papers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424073
Your entire existence is a shitty meme.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been having a lot of trouble with the cards Anki has been giving me recently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424241
The solution is simple, just overcome the troubles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424241
ファイト！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424241
You should spending time with them outside of Anki, too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424281

Yeah, I'm doubling down on grammar lately, and once I'm done with my current material I'm gonna download an easy VN and dive in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424241
>>17424269
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1501881509594.webm

[Anonymous No.]

Thinking of it, would it be okay to do all of my reviews without new cards, and then when that's done do new cards as a separate batch? Or would that just mess with my learning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424341
There's an option that does this already.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm a bit confused by a line in Flyable Heart:
こんな顔されるなんて思ってなかったんだけどな。
(MC's internal monologue)

Then, after the MC says to himself 「なんで・・・・・・なんだろう。」, you get the choice of which girl's direction to look in.

About the best I can do is:
That this sort of face will be made, I wasn't thinking about it...
Why... why, I wonder.

But that hardly makes any sense. Based on the choice which follows after he says these lines, it seems as if he's asking himself which girl he should look at, but I can't figure out how the lines produce that meaning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424529
My best guess is "Just what {is she/are they} thinking, making such {a face/faces}?"
But I'm a real noob, so I hope someone will correct this too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424529
They're making a reaction in response to something MC did. MC did not expect his behavior to incite this reaction. Other than that you have provided zero actual context about the scene which you should probably fix for future questions you ask.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424529
>顔される
I would guess that 顔する would be to "make a face", so this means they are making faces at him.

>>17424577
>Other than that you have provided zero actual context about the scene which you should probably fix for future questions you ask.
This.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424577
Ah, sorry about that.

The context is that he just brought some (not great looking) food out to them.

I think I get it now. "I wasn't thinking that they'd be making these sorts of faces. Why (are they looking like that)?".

After I selected one of the choices, that helped clear things up quite a bit. It seems like he was deciding to look in a girl's direction to seek her approval of the food/get her to try eating it.

I think the reason that I got so confused is that one girl was smiling and another wasn't looking particularly upset or anything, so I thought the MC must be talking about his own face.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424648
>so I thought the MC must be talking about his own face
(that he used こんな instead of そんな further reinforced this belief)

[Anonymous No.]

trying to read a light novel, but I can't get it in any form where I can use yomichan on it to check/add to anki any kanji I'm not familiar with.
is there a good format I should use to view it in my browser? epub is being a shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424938
http://djtlib.surge.sh/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425021
well...fuck. thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425027
The up-to-date version is at http://djt.netlify.com/

[Anonymous No.]

how fast can a non-nip dweller reach N2 level or so? I'm starting my freshman year of college and looking to get as gud as possible for higher chances of an exchange year to 日本 and better quality of life there

i've added some 140 words+radicals of core2k in some 4 days but i have to slowed to 15 words/kangxi per day and am struggling to keep up with remembering some of the old ones and having new ones added on the pile every day what's the troubleshooting, do i just try to memorize harder or stop taking new ones until i can remember the first 100 words? i took too many the first two days

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425083
Took me two and a half years but the autists around here tend to be faster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425083
>>17425100
I have no idea how advanced JLPT levels really are and personally not really interested in taking them but from the information google gives me it seems like there is no way N2 should even take two years. For a year you'd be looking at just below 20 words a day if this information is accurate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425125
>For a year you'd be looking at just below 20 words a day if this information is accurate.
Yup that sounds about right. I fucked up and did only Kanji study for awhile and dropped my new cards down to 15 for a summer so that's why it took me two and half years.
Most of your learning comes from reading though, and if you read more than I did (which to be honest I don't read enough so it should be easy) you could easily make it to N2 in under two years if your diligent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425125
i looked around and wikipedia has these numbers, i think this sounds more realistic.

2k kanji and 10 000 words in 900 hours is not possible unless you're some savant and even if you do reach n2 in a year like someone here who studies 8 hours a day might possibly, idk how common that is but regardless it takes more than 600 hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425167
So Kanji knowledge shaves 400 hours at worst and 3100 hours at best of study from relative proficiency? Why exactly am I not supposed to learn Kanji again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425184
Doing RTK =/= ``knowing kanji''

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425187
But Chinese can't read japanese Kanji either. Just like someone who has completely a Kanji course they have the shape and the ability to write Kanji but have to more or less completely relearn reading them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425125
You are not going to reach 6k mature cards in a year. You will see 6k, yes, but not know 6k words.
Most people don't jump into reading straight away either, and people often neglect listening. Unless you are some hardcore 勉強 master, I doubt you can be able to pass N2 within a year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425184
dummy, that means for people who already use kanji BEFORE they start learning e.g chinks learning japanese takes 400-3100 hours less because they can already recognize and write every/most kanji and they just have to remember the japanese readings

[Anonymous No.]

what's some good listening to practice with? how deep should your vocabulary be before it even makes any sense/you understand jack shit if you were listening to a radio talk show or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425264
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/10000-hours-building-listening-comprehension/
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/why-you-should-keep-listening-even-if-you-dont-understand/
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/whats-its-like-in-the-beginning-and-you-dont-know-jack-or-how-to-watch-japanese-tv/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425320
Is AJATT legit?
Do any of you do it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425408
AJATT is blog that collects well-known information about language learning so as to function as an advertisement for a scam. http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/katyana-rogo-manduli/internet/all-japanese-all-the-time-ajatt-ajatt-silverspoonneutrino-refused-to-honour-refund-int-1116749

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425408
>>17425432
You have to pay for AJATT? I thought it's just about consuming as much Japanese material as possible. What are they even offering for that amount of money?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425441
You don't have to pay for it. AJATT is just the name of the blog. The blog is free to access. It's his scam "services" that you had to pay for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425466
From the videos i've seen about it, they watch a lot of raw anime. Should I be watching it with japanese subtitles or raw first?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425504
it doesnt matter if youre using your brain the entire time

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425504
Until you can understand it relatively easily, anime is only particularly good for phonemic awareness. It is valid input but things like visual novels and manga are better because you're developing literacy at the same time.

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>>17425508
Scrub manga and yes.

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>>17425521
Manga without furigana is effectively equivalent to normal literature with excessive illustrations.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm finally breaking the wall.

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>>17425739
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7e6VRsZcJI

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>>17412474
>want to understand what some songs mean on the fly

I can't even do that in English. Song lyrics are usually so abstract they're just syllables to my brain. At least Asians are usually kind enough to put lyrics up most of the time.

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>>17425524
All jap lit has furigana doe

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>>17425508
>It is valid input but things like visual novels and manga are better because you're developing literacy at the same time.
No, you should have a balance of both. You're not truly training a native ear if you're not doing listen on its own without any read (you can't actually effectively focus on both reading and listening at the same time either). Listening a ton is really the only way ever sound close to how a native sounds.

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>>17425778
what about big action text on those crazy variety shows dont you think that would help a gaijin understand normal (tv) people talk as opposed to fully missing it because they arent used to the sounds

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Any of you fags use Wanikani for learning radicals? It looks like it's giving me wrong "definitions" of them. It says ⼘ is "toe" instead of the Anki/Wikipedia definiton of "Divination". And no it's not telling me how to pronounce the katakana　ト , it says it means the body part toe

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>>17425984
Not only are you using Wanikani but you also called me a fag. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17426009
Hey hey hey! Settle down mister we're all friends here

[Anonymous No.]

What do the last line's kanjis here say?
I can't read the kanji it's too messy.
大田のすることには動心ない?
大乃すすることには動心ない?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17426114
大抵のことには動じない
just kidding. i have no idea. sorry. :)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17426140
Yeah I think you might be right.
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17426154
I still think the kanji after 大 might be something else though like 底 or something

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>>17426154
I was serious about not being sure though; I'm just an anki drone and I'm struggling with the whole thing.
>言われなれてないことを言われると停止する（３秒くらい）（大抵のことには動じない）
>言われなれてないこと
So I found this:
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1142335806
Does it mean something along the lines of "something one can't say/something unbelievable"?
Putting it all together:
>If something unbelievable/(something that shouldn't be said) is spoken, then it will cause a disruption [interrupt a meeting or something] (for around 3 seconds)
>(most things won't be affected/bothered)
Ugh. Such is life as an Anki drone. Do you have any more context?

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>>17426219
I can read the whole thing. Just that one kanji, I can't get since the writing is messy.

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>>17426219
>>17426232
I actually asked somebody japanesea and they said it's a mistake and it's meant to be 大抵 so yeah never mind

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>>17426249
...so what does it mean? Was I close? ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>17426268
yeah you got it

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>>17426273
ありがとうございます
I hate the feeling of kind of knowing individual words but not how they all fit together.

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>>17426288
The artist kinda talks weird here, don't feel too bad.
>>17426219
>言われなれてないことを言われると停止する
言われなれてないこと
Something that's not used to being said
言われると
being said
と停止する
stopped
In english basically; He's in shock after being told something that he's not used to being told about himself.

It helps to read it backwards when translating to english.

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>>17426365
>something that he's not used to
So it is based on 慣れる and not 成る -- that helps. Thank you.

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>>17425083
I got 161/180 on my N2 after "studying" about 10 years.
"Studying" means like 9 years of anime and manga with non-serious grammar and kanji study and a year of serious grammar and kanji study. If you skip straight to the serious stuff it might take only 1-2 years.

[Anonymous No.]

おなかすいた

おなかすいたんだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17426361
爆笑ｗｗｗ

What a cute mom.

[Anonymous No.]

When do I learn to discern good writing from bad writing in Japanese?

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>>17426841
Native speaker level

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>>17426841
You study works people consider good and compare it to that, or just reading it you kinda feel it.
It's not that hard for the later.
That said Scaji is shit ignore what other people tell you.

[Anonymous No.]

Did anyone here play Kanon by Key?

[Anonymous No.]

ごはん

おふろ

いっしょにねよ

[Anonymous No.]

二枚目になりたい

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>>17426996
It's shit.

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Why is 啄木鳥 read the way it is read?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17426841
About 1-3 years in. It doesn't take that much to recognize eloquence and elegance in language. You don't have to be fluent. And after all, "good" writing is mostly subjective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427284
For the same reason 五月雨 or 向日葵 are read the way they are.
It's kanji slapped onto a Japanese word disregarding all the chinese readings. In other words: Irregular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427284
it's ateji
>>17427314
those are not ateji, the kanji actually have something to do with the meaning of the japanese word

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427317
>those are not ateji, the kanji actually have something to do with the meaning of the japanese word

lol and 啄木鳥 doesn't?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427317
>peck + tree + bird has NOTHING to do with the meaning "woodpecker"
I see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427329
did you think woodpeckers actually peck wood
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427332
playing the long game, i see

[Anonymous No.]

あてじと

たんどくでよめないが

こまるのはわかるよ

たとえば

>日向

これがおかしいのはゆうめい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427262
Is it that bad? I thought Key's games were pretty good...

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A red haired girl like Kaori-chan appeared in my dream and said things like "大好き" while she hugged me. There were several sisters and I couldn't hide the fact that she was the one I liked the most. I barely even shook hands with the others, actually.

Does this mean I will learn Japanese?

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>>17427361
Tulpas are a banned topic of discussion on /jp/, anon.

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>>17427356
I haven't played Kanon but I find the quality varies a bit. Little busters is one of my favorite games, but the others I've tried were like 7-8/10 at most

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>>17427356
Rewrite/Clannad are the only good ones. Little Busters is fine. Though all of these are extremely long and there are a lot of better games you could play.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427345
>日向
日向ぼっこしたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427345
日な田か

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427368
>>17427375
だとおもうでしょ

「ひゅうが」ってよむことがあるんだよ

え？っておもうあのん、ただしいよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427388
>え？っておもうあのん
日常です

[Anonymous No.]

Are there html versions of the monogatari series? I didnt see it in the resources but I feel like it exists

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427768
... are you pretending to be retarded or do you not realize you can convert them yourself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427768
I don't think you looked very hard...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427772
But how do I do that.
Spoon feed me

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427784
sure no problem, just follow the instructions on this super secret site:
www.google.com

[Anonymous No.]

ビッグオーみようかなとおもうんだけど

おもしろい？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427799
面白いと思う

[Anonymous No.]

where can i get japanese audio books? im looking for lord of the rings and the harry potter series specifically...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427799
>ビッグオー
おっぱい？
お尻？
お握り？
オレンジジュース？

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>>17427784
https://djtguide.neocities.org/resource%20guide.html#Ebook%20Tools

>>17427833
>the harry potter series specifically
The first and second books have an audio version in the CoR, in the Japanese !L-R link.

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>>17427864
found them. thanks.

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>誰もが転がる石なのに　皆が特別だと思うから
>選ばれなかった少年は　ナイフを握り締めて立ってた
>匿名を決め込む駅前の　雑踏が真っ赤に染まったのは
>夕焼け空が綺麗だから

What exactly does 選ばれなかった少年 mean here?
"The juvenile that couldn't make a choice" or "The juvenile that wasn't elected" doesn't make any sense to me here.

Maybe it's "The juvenile who ran out of choices to make" in a roundabout way?
I'm confused.

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Anyone have some fun Spotify playlists to play in the background? Preferably without Engrish songs.

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>>17427938
>Spotify
ダ～メ～で～す～よ～～～
～
メ
～
で
～
す
～
よ
～
～
～

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>>17425441
>You have to pay for AJATT?
No, it's just that the author came up with a bunch of money-making gimmicks (and also scams, it seems) after the blog got popular.

The blog itself is still free. If you stick to the table of contents (link below), you'll find lots of useful information about language learning. Just be wary of reading anything else on the site as it might be tied into some money-making gimmick that he came up with somehow.

http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/all-japanese-all-the-time-ajatt-how-to-learn-japanese-on-your-own-having-fun-and-to-fluency/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427938
Not radio, but I listen to this album a lot lately:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElwPOcWeJGg

Especially like 記号として and O&O

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427937
It's the passive.
Your tunnel visioning on EDICT J-E is pretty funny, using words like "juvenile" and "elected".

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>>17427982
>Your tunnel visioning on EDICT J-E is pretty funny, using words like "juvenile" and "elected".
That's only because I'm ESL and usually don't translate to English.

So, is "The lad that ran out of options" an allright interpretation? I like that one the most.

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>>17427982
Fuck off tryhard.

[Anonymous No.]

Guise, I've decided to start with hiragana first, is this a bad move?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17428003
hiragana are only used to describe the pronunciation of kanji, so you can skip them if you go straight to kanji. good luck anon!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427998
The boy that wasn't chosen

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>>17427998
There are other languages available if your English is shaky.

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>>17428061
From now on I will ask all my questions directly in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17428083
I only meant that there's other flavors of EDICT available, not just English. But you can do that, too.

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>>17427937
なにかの かし みたい だから どうとでも かいしゃくできると おもうよ
こじんてきには "(神様に)選ばれなかった少年 = 何も才能が無かった少年" という いんしょうを うけたよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17428008
Ignore this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427284
木突き

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>>17427345
日向
日が向かう
ひむか
ひうか (ウ音便)
ひゅうが

[Anonymous No.]

Guess what came in the mail boys? Pretty excited right now. Wondering if I should open it. Too excited not to though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17428363
Oh wrong thread.

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>>17428360
日「を」向かうだったっけ