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Elona Anonymous Sun Jul 2 20:36:02 2017 No.17268570 [Reply] [Original]

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>Previous Thread
>>17247628

Current Version: Elona+ 1.69 (6/25/2017)
Latest Custom: E+C 1.69.3

Anonymous Sun Jul 2 20:43:18 2017 No.17268583,1 [INTERNAL]

HELLO GOOD YES I HAVE A QUESTION (copied from ass end of last thread)
I'm extremely confused about living weapons now. I saw the post here >>17248595 but my problem is that I have been leveling up one weapon with spell enhancement since 1.68. Every time I leveled it I'd get ## added on. Now I just tried to do that again and it only added #, from #### to #####. I don't have elona custom, just +, so I can't see how many #'s it's supposed to have, but shouldn't it be #####+ ?

thanks

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 20:43:49 2017 No.17268583 Is Chara Quality Up a worthwhile AP upgrade for pets?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 20:53:35 2017 No.17268601 >>17268583 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 21:25:26 2017 No.17268670 >>17268570 Just updated to 1.69 Is the latest Custom 1.69.3? The pastebin has 1.69.2.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 21:31:01 2017 No.17268689 >>17268670 1.69.3 is the latest; fixes glitchy text in story cutscenes and a few other things.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 21:46:25 2017 No.17268720 I live my life for lewd PCCs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 22:06:54 2017 No.17268768 My damage output in the Void while dual wielding black monkshood and nightmare is just as good if not better than my damage output while fisting despite my martial arts being 230 and dual wielding and short sword being below 40. Bit shocking honestly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 22:14:32 2017 No.17268793 File: 780 KB, 808x633, trusted_virgin.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] rate my Alias.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 22:25:40 2017 No.17268825 >>17268570 this is a.. creative op image

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 22:29:29 2017 No.17268833 File: 70 KB, 300x500, face2_E.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17268570 >fox brother (girl) Cease

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 22:57:45 2017 No.17268904 >>17268793 would deflower and follow on dangerous adventures to maintain monopoly on sex with her

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 23:07:44 2017 No.17268937 >>17268415 What the hell's a bio printer?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 23:09:53 2017 No.17268943 >>17268937 Makes figurines of NPCs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 23:15:01 2017 No.17268959 >>17268943 I tried it on <Whom Dwells on the Vanity> and I died. It dropped a figurine and when I came back from the dead I lost my favorite ring. I think the fucker took my ring.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 23:31:49 2017 No.17268959,1 >>17268959 You are like a rabbit fascinated by a snake.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 23:44:40 2017 No.17269045 File: 21 KB, 613x61, God Moth.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17268570 caterpillar grew up

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 2 23:46:00 2017 No.17269049 File: 33 KB, 293x208, God Moth II.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17269045

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:15:02 2017 No.17269114

>>17268141
The way it's been going for me recently:
1. Enter Panic quest
2. Get surrounded and destroyed by monsters who make their void variants seem like training dummies, moving up and one-shotting me right after I hit short teleport while pets are still busy casting their buffs.
3. "Leave" Panic Quest

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:26:37 2017 No.17269149 >>17269114 That will change eventually. Going deep enough in the void you'll find monsters much stronger than any panic or challenge quest can provide.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:47:58 2017 No.17269199 So what do <> around enemy names even mean? Sometimes they seem much tougher, other times no different from a normal enemy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:49:40 2017 No.17269208 >>17269049 How is it as a gunner pet? I've been using bells with machine guns. On that note, should I focus on PV or DV on bells? And does overweight apply to pets in general?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:50:15 2017 No.17269211 >going berserk increases magic damage Holy fuck, this is great.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:53:21 2017 No.17269222
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>>17269199
if it's in a dungeon on the last floor it's the boss. <> generally indicates it's special be it an equipment (antique), NPC (valuable figure/card), or mob. There's a couple rare mobs like <Mad Scientist> but according to wiki you'll only see him once. Chess pieces always have <> though and it doesn't indicate anything.

Finally, I've grasped this game enough to be able to help a fellow anon.

>>17269211
I chose a feat that doubles damage dealt and received it's pretty potentially awesome. Too bad I'm a starter Juere Warrior though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:57:47 2017 No.17269237 >>17269222 I wonder what's the law on publicly masturbating ghosts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 00:59:11 2017 No.17269245 File: 67 KB, 385x367, Yuu_question.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17269237 I don't follow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:00:40 2017 No.17269253 >>17269245 Chen is certainly working something fierce with her hands.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:01:28 2017 No.17269255 How do I feed my Goose besides desummoning all my other pets and dropping the food on the floor and walking around until it eats it potentially letting the food rot? And how do I check it's hunger?

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Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:04:59 2017 No.17269264

>>17269245
You're 2pure.

>>17269255
Dunno about the goose, but you can (i)nteract with any pet, then choose inventory and hand them food items to eat. If you use a stethoscope on them so you can see their health bars, you can see if they're hungry by it's color. Red means full, blue means hungry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:07:55 2017 No.17269271 >>17269222 What does <> mean in the arena?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:09:27 2017 No.17269273 >>17269211 Uncontrollable Power is kinda broken on a mage, since the double damage taken thing is much less dangerous if you keep your distance and have 100% accuracy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:12:00 2017 No.17269280 File: 46 KB, 322x218, 1413745163817.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17269271 Don't know that one mate sorry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:13:26 2017 No.17269283 >>17269271 Pretty sure it's a lesser buff. Had a <Alien> the other day, and the thing couldn't have had more than 600 hp.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:14:17 2017 No.17269285 >>17269208 please respond also how do people usually use riding? is this game called a little girl riding simulator because you can stack riding on the little sisters you collect from big daddys?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:16:21 2017 No.17269291 >>17269285 People normally use riding to compensate for low speed. However, many creatures, like bells, have bit tags that lower their speed dramatically if you ride them. Really, I don't use riding myself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:17:52 2017 No.17269299 >>17269271 Slight buff. I had an <Alien> in the arena the other day, and it went down in five or so magic arrows, in the 10-19 level range. Not >>17269283 , though it's funny we fought the same thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:24:56 2017 No.17269321 >>17269255 (G)ive them the food.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:26:35 2017 No.17269323

How can I take advantage of a werewolf in Derphy? I want to kill the detective for potential loot especially her gun for my bells but I'm assuming I'll need a duel glove, and does she have a machine gun or gun type doesn't really matter for bells set to Onslaught AI? Also the werewolf is literally "____ the werewolf" when I talk to him but there's no "are you the werewolf" option and when I talk to the detective about helping she's like "Great!" and the convo ends. I heard using the voting box can raise my house salary or something somehow? And who should I vote to be executed if I want their gear?

Also anyone know any NPC's that carry batlte axes or heavy armor? I'm trying to farm them to get gear.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:27:45 2017 No.17269325 File: 34 KB, 423x272, 1378291707408.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17269323 sorry that's a shitton of questions. oh and I already have a disguise kit and don't know what to do with it. >>17269291 thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:39:39 2017 No.17269346 >>17269325 I guess I could go collect the guildmaster statues

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:47:37 2017 No.17269361 >>17269199 In my experience the <> around an enemy means they are "almost" immune to status effects on top of being a boss. Or they at least are much more resistant to them than their average cousins.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:50:25 2017 No.17269367 File: 131 KB, 527x146, genuine human.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17269323

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 01:56:35 2017 No.17269373 File: 75 KB, 559x120, shit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17269367

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 02:03:32 2017 No.17269399 File: 447 KB, 1024x768, chibi_makuro_chan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17269373 Must've found out their kid has a waifu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 02:24:59 2017 No.17269458 To Kai and others who took their characters/pet to their limit or at least approaching it: Where do you spend your free level up skill points on? What's their most worthwhile use in the long run?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 02:47:38 2017 No.17269505 >>17269458 Whatever's the biggest pain in the ass to grind.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 03:11:36 2017 No.17269565 File: 29 KB, 199x266, im drunk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >got really drunk >decided to make a new character >tried to find a cool alias >found all of these hilarious for some reason

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 03:27:31 2017 No.17269606 >>17269565 >Everlasting Left Hand Sounds like a party member for >>17268793

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 03:55:19 2017 No.17269674 Are there random monsters which always spawn with the same gender? Asking for a friend.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 04:01:23 2017 No.17269685 >>17269674 Yes. Some monster types are always male or always female. A Little Girl, for example, will never spawn male.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 04:51:41 2017 No.17269776 >>17269685 Excuse me? Are you calling the little girl a monster?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 04:52:19 2017 No.17269780 >>17269776 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 04:55:26 2017 No.17269789 >>17269780 Pretty rude senpai.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 04:58:11 2017 No.17269798 >>17269789 Honesty is a virtue.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 05:06:15 2017 No.17269824

>>17269789
Little girls, younger sisters, young ladies, little sisters, older sisters are all subspecies of the same race, surprisingly enough.

What's also funny is that younger cat sisters, older dog sisters, and younger fox brothers are all part of the same race too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 05:07:42 2017 No.17269828 >>17269674 Harpy, silver eyed witch, nymph (?), carmilla, zombie girl (female) Hard gay, uhhh....I'm drawing a blank here (male)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 05:11:25 2017 No.17269833 >>17269824 The catsister race is actually a mistranslation and would probably be better translated as beastperson, which explains why catgirls, doggirls, foxboys (girls), and the goat kids in south tyris are all this race.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 05:28:41 2017 No.17269855

Werewolfs are dog warriors. Foxes are dog warmages. Why isn't the fox brother categorized as dog wizard, younger cat sisters as cat thief and older dog sister as dog archer. Instead they're catsister race. Why is this race needed anyway. It only complicates matters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 05:33:19 2017 No.17269865 >>17269855 Probably because the foxes and werewolves in their real form look like animals, which makes them less a human with animal ears/bit and more an animal with some human traits. It's the difference between kemonomimi and full on fur and shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 05:42:43 2017 No.17269882 >>17269865 You sure about the werewolves? I thought they're mostly human and only turn awoo in nights with a full moon. Either way, it has no impact on gameplay. I think what >>17269833 said is the best solution for this.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 05:46:40 2017 No.17269891
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>>17269882
Yeah, they imitate a random human NPC when in towns, but you can also sometimes find them in dungeons/quests in their true form which is a girl completely covered in fur for the female, and a full on dog for the male.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 07:36:42 2017 No.17270148 >>17269891 i hate when things do monster people like this. man is too monsterous, women is just fetish bait with barely any monsterous features. neither fit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 07:51:05 2017 No.17270187 File: 733 KB, 1280x760, 87.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I just encountered a hand of god for the first time. They really go ATATATATATA.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 08:30:07 2017 No.17270329 >>17270148 Most (if not all?) Elona sprites are free stock images that you'll see in many other indie Jap (and non-Jap) games, so if you can draw better - feel free to contact the dev.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 09:09:01 2017 No.17270423 I've had over 200 base constitution for quite a while. Where's my charge attack?

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 09:09:23 2017 No.17270425

>>17270329
Not him but that may have been the case for vanilla, using the RL tiles pack and all, but in E+ a lot of community art that could be found on the uploader a long time ago has been included. The new sprites (updated from the vanilla ones) were also specifically made for E+ by sprite artists who I assume either work with Ano or sent in their stuff. I'm really glad they did because it looks so much better.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 10:32:08 2017 No.17270725

>>17270329
its not an elona thing, its a general media thing. monster girls are pretty much always humans but with a tail or fur and men just animals or animals that walk when they shouldnt

and as ive discovered trying to make sprites for this, drawing skill doesn't matter. i just get annoyed trying to make sprites in this because all the existing ones are absurdly out of proportion and i just cant make things i know are wrong to fit in so anything i make stands out like a sore thumb
having spent so long working on drawing proportions correctly above all else probably makes me worse than most at adding sprites in this

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 11:01:11 2017 No.17270805

>>17270725
Surely you know comics, animu and games often have bizarre alien proportions that still work and are consistent. Mimicking what you're working with is also a skill. If you work the same as always regardless, you will become like a tumblr artist that draws every character as a middle aged man with a huge red nose whether it's Chun Li, Goku or a 2hu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 12:06:14 2017 No.17271008 If a pet uses a rod does it spend charges of the rod or do they have unlimited rod usage?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 12:09:16 2017 No.17271022 File: 16 KB, 548x36, rip.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What happened to Bones?

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 12:15:02 2017 No.17271039

>>17270805
yea i just cant draw characters whos heads are 1/3rd to 1/4th of their body. i dont like how it looks. im not putting time and effort into making something i dislike
the only other games i can think of with such bad proportions are crap like bravely default which i absolutely hate the artstyle of because of this. im actually struggling to think of any games, anime, anytyhing which has wrong yet consistent proportions and isnt using this cutesy style. even one piece is mostly technically correct largely just messing with leg size

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 12:47:02 2017 No.17271156 >>17271008 They spend charges.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 12:48:45 2017 No.17271167 >>17271156 Damn. I was entertaining the thought of a pet with a Panzerfaust X.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 12:56:41 2017 No.17271204

>>17271039
I know it's very hard to make detailed faces in 32x32 without resorting to very large heads, but 48x48 is still not particularly easy. Also, most humanoid sprites are only 40 pixels tall, so you have even less room if you want to fit into artstyle. The longer you make the body, the less room for face you will have. The smallest you can go before you no longer have a face, in my opinion, is 6x4 without outlines and upper part of the head. 4 pixels of height might be enough for hair in some cases, but you will more likely need at least 6 in many cases. That gives at least 10 pixels for head only and if you won't go past 40 pixels, 1/4th will be the lowest you can go. And personally I've never drawn anything 48x48 I liked with head smaller than 15 pixels in height.
This "cutesy" style basically evolved because of technical limitations and I've learned those limitations by spending my teenage years drawing shitty sprites for "original Naruto games" on BYOND

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:19:59 2017 No.17271323 File: 373 KB, 1280x768, ElonaC_2017-07-03_20-19-12.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17271022 This is clearly impersonator! Real Bones is alive-dead and well

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:35:59 2017 No.17271416 What's this game like. Is it fun? Do I need to be autistic?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:41:51 2017 No.17271437 >>17271416 1. It's open world comfy roguelike 2. Yes. 3. You already are autistic, who are you trying to fool?

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 13:49:52 2017 No.17271495

>>17271416
It's a fun... rogue lite I suppose?
I've seen anons compare it to rune factory and that seems like a fair comparison.

You can try to grind as fast as possible and try to min max everything to fly through the content.
Or you can just wander about doing random quests, buy and design a house, run a shop, start a farm/monster ranch, go dungeon diving solo/with a party/with an army of necromancy minions, and then do story quest content whenever you feel ready.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:14:52 2017 No.17271646 File: 29 KB, 551x119, ElonaC_2017-07-03_21-14-22.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Uhh, it doesn't sound like a good idea to let your kid play with that

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:21:33 2017 No.17271673
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Silver eyed witch just earned a spot on my final party when I will fight Zeome.
I was looking for some junk in the wilderness when cockatrice appeared and began pounding me. Suddenly had Korean war flashback of where I was trying to reclaim items I dropped after dying in a dungeon only to get caught by a giant cock, leaving even more items behind. Luckily, my young and cute wife stepped in and said some mean words which deeply hurt it's feelings. Using this opportunity, we quickly finished it off, saving me from repeating my traumatic experience.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:22:10 2017 No.17271675 >>17271416 >Do I need to be autistic? plz, not even moonruneascii

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:22:36 2017 No.17271677 >>17269045 how do you catch Godly monsters? Etherwind?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:27:22 2017 No.17271692 >>17271646 Why not? It's good to teach their kids to defend themselves since murder isn't illegal in 90% of towns. Better than the parents who give their kids shit for their birthday.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:28:08 2017 No.17271697 >>17271646 We live in days where parents want to gift theirs kids with shit as a birthday gift, this is normal in Elona.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:29:14 2017 No.17271702
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>>17269458
I spent almost all my bonus points on damage related skills related to the specialty I want my character or pets to focus on. From day 1 for Kai I was just spending bonus points from leveling on my martial arts. I would spend these points immediately on level up and did so until my MA was at 500 and at which point I would switch to spending on tactics until that was 500. I alternated between the two until both were capped.

It was similar for my martial arts pets Saya and Akeno. The principle was still the same for my archer pet Mina but the skills were Bow and Marksman. For my witch Mai I had to level two hand, tactics, polearm, and casting. Naturally she was harder to level up with bonus points as she had 4 skill dumps as opposed to the 2 of my other pets. I first leveled up the skills that contributed the most to her damage which were tactics and casting. After getting those to 1000 I then worked on upgrading two hand and polearm. Currently all my pets sit at around 1000 skill level for their builds. Only my character has capped various skills.

If I had to do it all over again though, after I got my pets to a decent level in attack skills, I would start shoving bonus points into negotiation. Instead of having separate pets dedicated to managing my stores, the very pets that form my attack team and adventure with me would also be my shopkeepers. I would just stick them in my shop slightly before midnight and my character went to sleep. They'll sell all my stuff while I sleep and I'll just retrieve my pets in the morning if I want to adventure with them or just park them there if I want to focus on my character.

Would free up pet slots in the ally list and come with a variety of perks. Since they're adventuring with me I can level up negotiation easily through AP to bonus points and since they're also the ones I'm feeding herbs their charisma will naturally be ballooning as a side effect of trying to raise their other attributes. I can kinda do all that now with my pets but I don't have the heart to fire any of my current dedicated shopkeepers. They also have accumulated a nice amount of shop exp and are on their way to achieving shop feats.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:31:17 2017 No.17271708 Someone post their multiarmed mutants equipment page so I got something to look forward to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:35:00 2017 No.17271729 >>17271702 Casting also affects damage output of spells? I thought it was for spell success chance only.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:37:17 2017 No.17271738 >>17271729 For pets, casting determines their damage. Reason being that pets don't have spell levels to level up. For the player casting effects cast success while spell levels and magic attribute determine damage dice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 14:38:46 2017 No.17271749 >>17271738 I knew about that for pets. I just thought it was changed for the player as well for a moment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:01:25 2017 No.17271865 >>17271677 No, you have to visit <Leold> in South Tyris or Lost Irva with at least 1000 AP on your pet and ask him to increase said pet's quality.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:02:53 2017 No.17271872 >>17271702 Saya is an Elea warrior?

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:09:55 2017 No.17271895

>>17271872
Yes. Was a very meek and scrawny lv 5 Elea Warrior I got off of the slave trader in Derphy around the time I was entering Act 3. I didn't start raising pets seriously until then. She's certainly come a long ways since then. While around 100 levels were from gene engineering, 400+ was from killing things in the void.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:26:08 2017 No.17271961

What do other people spend bonus points on? I've never spent any because I didn't know they existed until after beating part 1, and I simply don't feel the need to use them now. I've already hit all the skill benchmarks I wanted to for unlocking actives, don't feel weak at all and have for my purposes essentially infinite money.
I've been thinking I'll save them for when it gets really slow to level stuff

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:30:43 2017 No.17271979

Does bound in blood affects npcs that are neutral/hostile to user? According to wiki, only thing that matters is race...

If I use philosopher's mask to change char's or pet's race to shell or imp, would they be affected by "bound in blood" from certain npcs?

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 15:45:33 2017 No.17272028

>>17271961
I've been doing what Kai does recently with damage skills but earlier in my game I was using them on hard to raise skills. I spent them immediately too. Bonus points go a longer way for low level skills while not getting as much mileage with higher level skills. Wanted to make my early game as easy as possible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:17:43 2017 No.17272178 wiki says magatama prevents item destruction from fire spells, but does equivalent exist for ice spells?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:22:19 2017 No.17272199 >>17272178 No

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 16:22:28 2017 No.17272201 File: 115 KB, 509x501, 1459558068064.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17271673 Good story, gave me a chuckle. You have earned 1 smug banana loli spend it well

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:02:45 2017 No.17272399

Alright. I have gotten basically all the non guild skills I was missing as a tourist except casting since I'm using magic device.
Picked up greater evasion and control magic so far from the mages guild. Might get magic capacity since casting isn't the only thing that drains mana.

Does memorization effect anything other than spell stock?
Also I saved up enough to plop a cabin down by Port Kapul And am now debating what to start saving money for next.
I'm torn between a ranch and store to get a decent source of money, or investing the little money I do have in stores to find an incognito scroll or disguise kit since I still have an angry adventurer I can't kill.
What do you anons think?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:04:24 2017 No.17272408 File: 56 KB, 190x190, w2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17272399 >except casting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:04:34 2017 No.17272410 >>17272399 Memorization gives you a significant hike in the amount of learning exp you get for reading spellbooks. It's worth it for that alone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:58:22 2017 No.17272577 >tfw you accidentally get married

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 17:59:16 2017 No.17272581
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57 feet 37,000 pound giants with capped attributes and extremely resistant to anything magic surrounding me along with those accursed dimension fishing crabs! I'm silenced, slowed, and getting my attributes drained. It's going to be one of those days in the void...

>>17272399
I'd get a shop before the ranch. Sell all junk you find and cooked foods in your shop while building out your cooking skill and hopefully crafting skills. Use the gold to later get that ranch to sell even more steaks in your shop. Can also craft cheese from the creatures you milk and sell them for gold too along with cooked eggs and skins.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:00:10 2017 No.17272589 >>17272577 You can give your wife away to that one guy in Port Kapul.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:03:16 2017 No.17272609 >>17272589 He deserves nothing but eldritch abonimations. NTR is truly the worst

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:04:43 2017 No.17272617 >>17272609 How is it NTR if you're selling her away?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:07:41 2017 No.17272631 File: 1.71 MB, 400x225, 1425929928269.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17269565 >Whore Unit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:09:10 2017 No.17272639 >>17272617 >selling you're wife for money >not NTR

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:10:36 2017 No.17272644 >>17272639 You don't get her back, so it'd be more an admission of "I only loved you for the marriage gifts" and then selling your newly wed wife as she's heartbroken and going to end up the sex slave of some fucker in Port Kapul.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:15:30 2017 No.17272669 >>17272589 I have an entire room in my palace that's walled off and stacked three to a tile with his rotting corpses. If I ever open conversation with him, I kill him on the spot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:15:48 2017 No.17272673 >>17272644 that's so fucked up, but then again this is Elona.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:16:43 2017 No.17272677

>>17272609
The guy is as bad as a lunatic that asks random people to sell their wives to him can be. But the real worst are the players that just hand their wife to him like a piece of candy.

''Yeah man take her I got like 14 of them back home. I crammed them in a room next to the Gwen corpse gallery''

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:17:53 2017 No.17272686 >>17272669 this desu. I kill that shitter every time I visit Port Kapul

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:20:35 2017 No.17272700
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>It's acceptable to make every single woman on the continent vomit and display it in the public for everyone to enjoy at a museum dedicated to vomit
>It's acceptable to buy, force sleep share with, and then genetically combine little girls together to create a disgusting abomination against god
>It's acceptable to kidnap a child with a monster ball, forcibly and repeatedly impregnate them at a ranch, and murder, cook and eat all of said child's kids right in front of them
>It's unacceptable to sell your wife
Never change /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:24:41 2017 No.17272721 >>17272700 It's a matter of attitude, not action. It's fine to sell your wife. It's fine to proposition somebody to sell their wife. It's not fine to be a jackass about propositioning somebody to sell their wife.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:28:16 2017 No.17272738 >>17272721 >It's fine to sell your wife Nice try Raphael

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:32:54 2017 No.17272756 >>17272700 It's especially acceptable if the child whose kids you are eating is your wife. The fruit of love is doubly delicious. But don't eat your wife's roast beef that's a no-no.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:51:17 2017 No.17272836 >angry roar >something violently starts ripping brick walls apart like it's paper >it's a fucking chicken boss That's one pissed off chicken

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 18:55:31 2017 No.17272858

>>17272410
Did not know that. I'll be sure to pick it up before going to the fighters guild then.

>>17272581
Makes sense. I'll make a shop my next goal then.

>>17272408
I'm just wanting to do 2hand melee and cover everything else with items/rods.
I don't really care about "optimal" play since I'm already playing a tourist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 19:58:31 2017 No.17273143 >alien spawns in beginner dungeon >level 5 character dodges it for twenty straight turns while it gets whittled down >it doesn't even try to parasite either, it's just outright attacking Thank you, RNG.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:03:16 2017 No.17273158 >recruited Meshera Alpha >It keeps trying to sleep with me I have made a terrible mistake.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:05:04 2017 No.17273167 >>17273158 Remember to wear a condom. Who knows what you might catch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:07:32 2017 No.17273177 >>17273167 It's literally the central nucleus of the hive mind of the horrible flesh-twisting virus that nearly destroyed the world. What was I thinking keeping it alive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:11:02 2017 No.17273190 >>17273177 That it had nice tits?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:12:09 2017 No.17273194 >>17273190 YES

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:13:41 2017 No.17273203 >>17273190 >wanting to fuck a biological apocalypse

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:15:44 2017 No.17273215 Are there any special effects on a pet's anniversary day? Like do gifts improve impress more?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:24:09 2017 No.17273245 >>17273203 If it has a hole, we will fuck it. If it doesn't have a hole, we will make one and fuck it. This is mankind's greatness.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:25:21 2017 No.17273254 >>17273177 >What was I thinking keeping it alive. "I want to fuck that abomination."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:39:53 2017 No.17273294 >>17272581 Did you survive?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 20:41:35 2017 No.17273304 So you can't share herbs with your pets. Does this mean curaria is no longer the ideal herb target?

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:03:40 2017 No.17273387

>>17273294
Yeah I'm fine. Was one of the more interesting scraps I got into today but I've been in worse. Jure had my back with that special action prayer that heals. Got to make sure Kai keeps donating more gems to her as thanks for the heals.

>>17273304
I don't see how the food sharing thing changes anything. More for rp than anything else. Herbed in Curarias just offer so much more exp than any normal food or herbed in normal food if you take into account that the exp is going to all attributes instead of just one or two.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:08:38 2017 No.17273411 >>17273387 You realize that ordinary herbed food applies the herb bit to all stats, yes?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:08:55 2017 No.17273412 >>17273304 >So you can't share herbs with your pets. Could've swore pets still ate herbs if they're hungry enough.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:09:58 2017 No.17273416 >>17273412 I swear I didn't get it as an option. I'll have to double check.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:13:57 2017 No.17273431 >>17273416 You can still give pets herbs to eat, but you can't share them. Sorry for the confusion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:16:42 2017 No.17273448 >>17273431 Ah, I see. The thing is that sharing food both makes your rare herbs go twice as far (since you and your pet get the herb bit effect) and it gives you half as much fullness as eating food normally. So you can eat twice as often.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:20:19 2017 No.17273456 >>17273448 Not who you're replying too, but that's not really an issue for me as I don't really have enough herbs to sustain a heavy herbed herbs diet indefinitely.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:22:59 2017 No.17273467

>>17273411
I'm aware and the my prior statement still stands. Normal food only benefits like 1-3 attributes and although an herbed in steak for instance has the herb bit helping all attributes, an herbed curaria still offers up more exp. Food sharing as I see it is for rp and extending food supplies during the early part of the game where herb supplies might be low. However, I can just as well mount a slow creature and watch my quick pet digest a stack of herbed in curarias really quickly and level up their attributes quickly. I can also mount a snail and have a hungry ghost nibble on my character if I wanted to blow through a stack for fast attribute gains as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:23:13 2017 No.17273469 >>17273456 Well then the "both you and your pet get the herb effect" part should appeal to you. Assuming you have pets, that is.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:29:45 2017 No.17273496

>>17273469

Exactly. I can share regular herbed food to strech out my her s, eefectively doubling them between me and one pet.

The real question is which gives more attribute experience. A regular herbed food (lets say with nl bonuses other than the added herbs) shared between two or a single herbed herb.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:35:30 2017 No.17273514 File: 29 KB, 415x600, 1497717836135.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 11pm ''Oh I'll try out Elona shooter for a bit and go to sleep'' 4am

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:37:54 2017 No.17273516

>>17273496
A shared herbed food gives 800 exp to each of your attributes and 8000 to each of your pet's.
A curaria food gives 935 exp to each of your attributes OR 9350 exp to each of your pet's.
This is completely discounting any exp from the regular food, mind you.

A quick test seems to indicate the herb bit gives the full effect for both characters when shared.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:38:56 2017 No.17273520 >>17273516 Herbed curaria, not curaria food. Whoops.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:39:18 2017 No.17273523

>>17273496
You get more EXP by splitting.
Let's just completely forget the steak itself has EXP, to really hammer things home.
I also forget the exact food EXP multiplier pets get, but I'll assume its 10x since that's how much more they get from herbed food.

Curaria base EXP: 35 per stat. Herbed food additional EXP: 800 per stat.
Total EXP from herbed Curaria eaten by pet: 8350 per stat.
Total EXP from herbed food shared between self and pet: 8800 per stat.

Of course, if your or their stats are capped, or you value one particular entity's stats more, then by all means don't share.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:40:13 2017 No.17273524 >>17273516 I thought curarias were 35 per stat, not 135. Did the wiki get edited recently?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:43:20 2017 No.17273533 Is the younger sister pack in the mods pastebin broken or is it just me? Can't open the archive with 7-zip.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:44:37 2017 No.17273536 >>17273524 I'm just going off of the wiki values. 35 seems a bit low. In any event, unless you have a functionally endless supply of herbs or you do not care about your pet's stats, you'll get more bang for your herb by sharing.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:53:22 2017 No.17273555

>>17273536
If you have enough herbs for herb-in foods, you've got enough curarias to use them as the base.

If curarias are really 135*8 stat exp, they beat out the bonus from +0 max rank foods but do lose to foods with high + rankings when those foods are shared.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:53:45 2017 No.17273558 >>17273516 >>17273523 So we can all agree a shared herbed food of any kind is worth more than a non-shared herbed herb.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:54:51 2017 No.17273561 >>17273533 That's been happening to me a lot lately. I think it's megaupload's fault. Try downloading it again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:55:55 2017 No.17273568 >>17273561 It's on Mediafire.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:57:20 2017 No.17273577 >>17273561 Already tried a couple of times, doesn't seem to work, maybe mediafire broke it at some point?

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:58:11 2017 No.17273580

>>17273555
If I have 10 (rare herbs) and I want to level my pet alongside me, I get:
72000 exp for me, 720000 exp for my pet if sharing 10 herbed food.
42075 exp for me, 420750 exp for my pet if giving each of us 5 curarias.

If you want both of you to get exp and you don't have access to functionally endless herbs, sharing works out to be better.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 21:58:42 2017 No.17273584

>>17273558
Well that's not true for me at my stage of the game. I have a huge supply of herbs with Kai so the reason why I don't share food with others outside of rp is because of consumption rate. I can have my pets devour stacks quickly leading to faster attribute growth than I would by sharing. I can see food sharing's merit earlier on though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 22:01:56 2017 No.17273596 >>17273584 We're talking about for everyone who doesn't have Unlimited Herb Works, which is 90% of the players.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 22:06:24 2017 No.17273606 >>17270425 I think it was Ano himself who singlehandedly redrew all the sprites from vanilla, and it's still him who makes new sprites to this day.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 22:08:08 2017 No.17273611

>>17273568
Oh. Then I don't know. Maybe the whole internet is broken.

>>17273584
Well with virtually endless herbs this is pointless, but maybe I should rephrase.

So we can all agree that sharing herbed food gives you more overall exp per herb than making herbed herbs to feed individually.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 22:08:59 2017 No.17273613 >>17273580 If you give your pet all 10 herbed curarias, you get more net EXP. Of course, that assumes you prioritize EXP evenly no matter who gets it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 22:10:24 2017 No.17273621 >>17273613 But then you get none. And I think it's fair to say that when pets get 10x exp, PC exp is worth that much more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 22:15:17 2017 No.17273637 >>17273611 Well yeah I'd say you have a Kai endorsement then. This >>17273580 paints a pretty good picture of what's happening. I'm happy and sad at the same time that I'm part of a fringe group though.

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 22:23:50 2017 No.17273649

Herbed curaria don't give 835, it gives 35, and a separate 800.
Any curaria you'd have used as support for the herb bit can simply be given to the pets directly to eat for the same benefits, i.e. 350 to each stats.

The only time you should not share food is when you harvest so much herb it doesn't matters, which is admitedly in the soonish area since Amurdad is the only obstacle to that.
Soonish in Elona can take a long time still, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 22:27:39 2017 No.17273659 >>17273637 >>17273649 It really comes down to whether your difficulty is in acquiring herbs or actually consuming all your herbs. Also solo players would obviously want curariherbs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 3 23:23:07 2017 No.17273821 It amazes me how these threads never attracted drawfags. Or maybe it's to be expected?

Anonymous Mon Jul 3 23:32:40 2017 No.17273851

>>17269255
Walk up to the goose and drop a food, then swap places with goose. They'll end up on a tile with dropped food. They're fine with rotten cooked meat, for 4+ rank dishes the chance must me 100% or close to it. Stomafillias and riceballs (+10 in my case) work too.
It takes them about 3 hours to get hungry from the moment you entered a map. Or to accept any food, either way they don't seem to be eating anything in the first 3 hours.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 00:04:52 2017 No.17273949 >>17266732 what update does this start happening? >>17268415 myself but an adventurer with thicker hair >>17273851 >rotten only if you want it to lose stats

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 00:07:38 2017 No.17273960 >>17272609 >>17272589 I usually kill him and the nuke bitch whenever I drop in the area.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 00:09:02 2017 No.17273968 >>17273949 >what update does this start happening? It doesn't happen. That was just some weirdo messing with the chat server.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 00:14:47 2017 No.17273981
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I finally caught a fire dragon child! Now I can start breeding my dragon army.
I'm having trouble figuring out the best way to raise them, though. What equipment slots should I give them? The standard 13, or should I catch an asura (and maybe a mutant) and give the dragons as many hands as possible? Should I have some use Two Hand and others use Dual Wield, or does Two Hand stop being effective later on?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 00:21:53 2017 No.17273997 >>17273968 But chat appears green? I though it was from elona custom.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 00:23:06 2017 No.17274002 >>17273981 Two Hand is fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 00:44:40 2017 No.17274101 >>17273981 I have 1 (one) fire dragon and he dual wields drake rod :^) and solar cane

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 03:46:12 2017 No.17274546

>>17273580
Whooo another pet using player only bonus
Whooo

I thought the whole point of pet v not pet was I scale faster because I'm not splitting resources? Not I scale slower because pets get more from everything, pull items out of thin air when sleeping, use gold rather than plat to get skills, have set casting chance regardless of anything and with an AP skill can have effecitvely infinite MP AND now get more exp from herbs

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 03:47:35 2017 No.17274550 >>17274546 Makes you wonder who the real hero in this adventure is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 03:55:28 2017 No.17274563 >>17274546 Pets got more exp from herbs for a while now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 04:39:02 2017 No.17274623 >>17274546 These solo guys sure whine a lot

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 04:56:02 2017 No.17274648 >>17274623 That's why they're solo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:06:29 2017 No.17274668 Cats... why are they so cute?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:11:29 2017 No.17274675 >>17274668 Idk but Mia sure is tasty

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:35:24 2017 No.17274728 File: 176 KB, 436x441, ElonaC_2017-07-04_11-34-31.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Excuse me but I thought healers were supposed to be pure followers of Jure.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:48:48 2017 No.17274764 >>17274728 Hey that black haired school girl sprite is nice, can you share it please?

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:52:05 2017 No.17274769

>>17274546
Is making pets less of a headache a good thing? Yes, for sure. There are thousands of games for players who like 'solo' but only a few with fun party play where your pets/adventurers don't feel like dead puppets (other than Elona+/custom I can only think of Wizardry 8 who did this right, desu). Personally, I feel like a petless Elona is like solo Infinity Engine games. People can do it and have fun/challenge themselves but why limit yourself to a cherry when you can have the whole cake.

On top, think of how hard it is for most people to get a herb farm running. People not power-gaming 100% (or refusing to, because what's the point of that in a SP game?), reading up spoilers on Kumiromi, Amurdad, herbing herbs and just playing normally will using food sharing for normal food only 99.9% of the time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:53:32 2017 No.17274771 >>17274764 It's in the monster girl pack I think. Here, I cropped it, rather badly mind you. You'll have to fit it in wherever you want it. Can't even upload it here, says it's an unsupported file type. imgur.com/tgDEzfb

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 05:55:28 2017 No.17274773 >>17274771 Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 06:17:32 2017 No.17274820 I've seen people post with completely clear treasure maps, how do they do that? Did they modify interface.bmp somehow?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 06:23:24 2017 No.17274834 >>17274820 Nevermind, I found it. It's paper.bmp.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 06:26:05 2017 No.17274843

Got a crash, some "error 1" during *looking around.
It was a bummer, since it would trigger the save penalty ! Shit !
Turns out the save got corrupted or something, couldn't load due to "adventurer is dead" message.

Lost four hours, but won't lose life/mana.
Don't know how to feel.
I should have screenshot the error, what a faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:08:46 2017 No.17274942 anons, how to improve stats ? have potential but never improve

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:09:50 2017 No.17274947 >>17274942 Improve skills

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:33:35 2017 No.17275062 File: 19 KB, 384x412, 1398935091290.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17274942 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1p3S16qPZFSdZdQoVF8hjsZf7ovS6H-cpjmSaH2qZn6I/edit?usp=sharing

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:40:41 2017 No.17275080 >>17274942 do things that raise the stat you want like farming for strength and eat herbs in herbs while at superb potential

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 07:56:35 2017 No.17275126 >>17275062 omg, you are what im looking for, thanks anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 08:03:40 2017 No.17275145 So is duel wield just plain the best melee if you don't plan to mount? With like half the skill I do more damage than I did with 2 hand. Shields don't seem to do much

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 08:15:09 2017 No.17275172

Fuck, i can't fucking keep up with the training cost anymore.
I guess i'll just cut on the skill training and focus on spell training, at least until i reach level 300 in all spells to minimise stock usage.
Or fuck it, just go balls' deep and seek level 2000 in all spells.

Is the plat cost of spell training capped at 10, at least ?

>>17275145
Personally, i don't like dual-wield since it lowers spellcast chance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 08:43:32 2017 No.17275265 Did anyone figure out what precisely these shopkeeper feats do?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 08:48:52 2017 No.17275286 File: 165 KB, 600x850, 624f91b3494a4afe5213dc02375bfec8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's your favorite way to kill bards? I like to squeeze them to death.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 09:01:10 2017 No.17275320 >>17271979 >If I use philosopher's mask to change char's or pet's race to shell or imp, would they be affected by "bound in blood" from certain npcs? Doesn't work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 09:05:42 2017 No.17275335 File: 489 KB, 540x2300, finger moan violation.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17273821

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 09:36:11 2017 No.17275417 File: 2.95 MB, 555x312, 1433607527005.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17275335 Did you just make that?

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 09:42:44 2017 No.17275439
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>>17275417

No, it's from many years ago and I had nothing to do with it, just an excuse to post one of my favorites and the only drawfaggery I have in my Elona folder. I only have these thanks to people reposting them and the archive, anything else I had from the old days was sadly lost in a hard drive crash.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 10:27:42 2017 No.17275580 >>17274550 Pretty sure still the PC since even with custom ai pets can be pretty darn stupid.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 10:39:15 2017 No.17275619

>>17275145
Depends on what you mean by "best".
If you're talking pure damage then by endgame martial arts has dual wield beat heavily. It is a pain to get to that point though.
But if you are talking about early then yeah, dual wield is probably the best to get decent damage the quickest.

Kai, last thread you tested capped martial arts to capped dual wield to compare damage. Any chance you could do a comparison of like "optimal" 2hand to dual wield to see how big the damage gap is?
After you conquer the void of course.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 10:51:15 2017 No.17275657

>>17275619
There were several problems with Kai's test, though.
First, he didn't say if he maxed his sword + dual wield same as he maxed martial arts (wasn't he equipping those to train these skills in the first place? higher weapon skill = higher damage dice and bonus).
Second, he didn't show relative numbers vs. a high armor opponent (where a lightsaber should shine). Wasn't he testing on a training dummy? I could be wrong here though - need him to weigh in here personally.
Third, he didn't use anywhere near optimal weapons. Wasn't that a lvl10 lightsaber with maxed magic damage? What if it were a time stop dual lightsabers fused to their maximum damage potential (what would that even involve)?

What to take from this: what Kai showed is Martial Arts is great at its limit.
What we don't have is someone who would take other weapon types/styles to their limit vs. high level void enemies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 10:54:05 2017 No.17275669 >>17275657 >dual lightsabers Why stop at two? Riding negates the "complicated body" speed penalty.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:01:32 2017 No.17275687 >>17275669 Isn't riding obsolete with the inclusion of speed gains through AP?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:12:29 2017 No.17275726 File: 26 KB, 575x357, Sans titre.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Newplayer here, how good is this for a gunner?

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:12:39 2017 No.17275727
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This is truly insane.
He was already at 1700 per training fresh from the oblivion palace, but after a binge of investing during a tour of south tyris... It'll reach 900 before long.

1000 mean one elonachat gold giving is equal to 100 training, or 2000% worth of potential...
INSANE
Also, i don't know what the exp bonus due to low INI is, but investing, learning, memorisation and faith are skyrocketing with no sign of slowing down, this bodes well for when its speed will be combat-worthy.

I can't wait to get all the hermes potions needed to get me to 1 speed, this is going to be awesome having an INI that low.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:13:24 2017 No.17275729 >>17275657 Huh, I thought he had maxed dual wield and sword from trying to cap all skills to increase attributes. Either way you do have a point about how an optimal weapon would increase the damage a lot.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:16:55 2017 No.17275744

>>17275727
And, again, i need to remind you THIS IS KARATA
Metal race so metal bit, 90% reduction physical, and reselem bit, immune to every element except pure magic.

>>17272581
How is Akeno performing deep in the void, is a Karata base as monstrous as it seems on paper, especially after raising life ?
And equipment-wise, you only need to focus on magic resistance right ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:32:19 2017 No.17275793 If you kill Ssil will she respawn? I haven't completed the quest but I want the rod.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:41:08 2017 No.17275828 >>17275687 If you have 27 hands, and your pet has 20 hands, both owner and pet will have their speed halved. Riding would effectively double the speed of both owner and pet. I'm fairly certain that's not obsolete.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 11:53:44 2017 No.17275867

>>17275687
The way riding and AP gains works is
Pet's speed INIT is used to calculate rider’s AP gain.

In other words, it could be viable to take a low speed INIT pet and make it into a 2000 speed riding pet, eventually. Not as horrible as it sounds, considering it may still be a lot faster than farming 2000 speed on PC with pets being so strong in their current state.

Where it seems to turn from "viable" to "great" is if you were a mutant with a lot of limbs multi-wielding a time-stop weapons, possibly not letting a group of maxed-stat void monsters take a single turn.
One problem I see here is it would potentially take a lot of time getting to that point, potentially much more than it would with maxing martial arts. Again, is there really much point to that considering all monster stats cap eventually and if you can handle capped void with maxed martial arts, why even bother?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 12:12:29 2017 No.17275918 >>17275439 Take a look in the pastebin, you'll at least get back the art from siro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 12:13:11 2017 No.17275921 >>17275727 What the hell, and I thought my little sister spending 3.6k each training session was sick.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 13:45:26 2017 No.17276208

I've read the guides but I don't see how you're supposed to make money, my character is like 8 game years old and I have 9m. Do you just fish and sell it and make profits at 100 fishing or do i have to do the summon spirit performance thing? Combat is no problem but gold is a mystery

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 13:50:59 2017 No.17276225 >>17276208 >food >1.69 >profit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 13:53:18 2017 No.17276232 >>17276225 oh, that's it? I'm doing it wrong, it must top out at a higher cooking. If I sell off a whole farm of +8 / rank7 average I get like 50k-100k, 100+ negotiation pet

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 13:58:44 2017 No.17276244 I'm trying to complete escort quests but the quest givers claim that my party is full even though I'm alone. Is that a bug? My charisma is 9 by the way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 14:03:55 2017 No.17276266 >>17276244 are you sure you don't have dead pets that are still in yr party? if not it sounds like a bug

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 14:04:51 2017 No.17276269 >>17276232 1.69 gutted shops, apart form apparently blacksmith shops, is what he's getting at. 1.68 food shops print money, in 1.69 they are merely a factory of sadness. Summon Spirits got nerfed a while back too.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 14:11:47 2017 No.17276305
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>>17276266
I know what the problem is.
I've been trying to get that fucking dog out of the puppy cave for some time now but it always got itself killed, seems like my party's filled with dead dogs now.
I don't know how to access any "party UI" if there even is one to remove them, so if you can give me a tip I'd greatly appreciate it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 14:17:46 2017 No.17276336 >>17268570 There's a way to change the starting pets to all the little girl types?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 14:21:17 2017 No.17276352 File: 26 KB, 500x361, 1437144271745.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17276269 o-oh... I guess I can just sell cloud beast shits and bad armor for pennies

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 14:23:27 2017 No.17276362 >>17276305 yeah sure, go to the bartender in the pub, ask for your allies back, costs some small amount of gp, (i)nteract with dog, abandon dog. but keep 1 so you can complete the quest, kid desnt care if his dog died as long as its alive now

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 14:39:11 2017 No.17276411 >>17276269 is there even any point for shops in 1.69? except maybe as oversized fridge

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 14:41:53 2017 No.17276417 Alright well i'm broke and stupid and my ether disease is getting worse, but most importantly, my meeting anniversary with my slime girl gf is coming up, where should we get married don't say noyel

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 14:42:24 2017 No.17276420 >>17276336 The dialogue box in the OP is from when you get to select a secret character after reading the insane book and wishing for one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 14:44:09 2017 No.17276429 >>17276417 But noyel has the largest cathedral

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 14:46:27 2017 No.17276436 >>17276411 Equipment shops still kick ass.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 14:47:43 2017 No.17276442 >>17276429 noyel is cold as fuck and it's for boring couples durr i married my girly spiral king (girl) in the cathedral and then we fucked in the putit ranch that's you dude that's what you sound like

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 14:54:33 2017 No.17276461 >>17276442 b-but noyel also has festival of Jure! It's totally romantic and all

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 15:00:11 2017 No.17276481

>>17276411
>oversized fridge
The food will be sold at a loss now, because exploit is bad, bad gaijin.
Sharing food and the improved pet crafting is worth the upgrade I thin though.
It's annoying Ano can't into slight balance.
>limit savescum to stupid level (gain material scrolls avtivating a save, like who cares?)
>rare drop x5 to compensate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 15:03:47 2017 No.17276495 >>17276481 >gain material scrolls avtivating a save Didn't they always do that? Like, well before the anti-savescum version. Same as wonder scrolls.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 15:03:51 2017 No.17276496

>>17276442
You seem to be confused or have horrible taste.
But if you are so determined to be different for the sake of it then go to derphy for your wedding. At least your slime girl might get some satisfaction out of the prostitutes before being tied down to you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 15:05:24 2017 No.17276501 File: 51 KB, 175x137, 1494135118300.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17276496 What, you didn't get married in a temple made in your own mansion?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 15:06:33 2017 No.17276509 >>17276481 >The food will be sold at a loss now I've never run a food shop but I was pretty sure most people just had fruit/vegetable farms and sold the produce

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 15:07:12 2017 No.17276515 >>17276495 They did always do that, yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 15:12:50 2017 No.17276541 >>17276501 The anon said he was broke and having trouble with either disease. I doubt he has anything more than a shack.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 15:17:53 2017 No.17276560 File: 977 KB, 1024x682, married in noyel.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17276461 >"ooh honey take a picture of me eating the yith-yaki!!! haha i'm so crazy! careful that camera cost 3000 gp! let's make a snowman!!"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 15:46:10 2017 No.17276679 File: 1.13 MB, 518x294, bard slobber, gross!.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17275286 Bards are more fun for teasing than killing, they're just not very durable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 15:53:11 2017 No.17276699 Anyone got any interesting spritesheets apart from the ones in the pastebin?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 16:05:53 2017 No.17276762 >>17275727 That's neat. I hadn't thought of extremely low ini affecting skill exp gain, everyone always just talks about AP.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 16:23:30 2017 No.17276838 >>17276762 It does not. INIT values are only tied to AP gain, no connection to skill exp whatsoever.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 16:23:45 2017 No.17276840

Reasons to get married places in N.Tyris

Vernis: Small town feel, close to where your adventures started. Especially good if for some reason you still live in that cave.

Palmia: Marriage can be officiated by royalty, plenty of parties to enjoy for the reception.

Port Kapul: Sea side view, fighters guild can protect the wedding from crashers, assholes can immediately sell their Wife to Raphael.

Lumiest: Mages guild can officiate, scenic waterways if that is your thing.

Noyel: Great if you like snow, festivals, or both you and your wife are followers of Jure. Has an actual Cathedral if you want to go classic.

Derphy: Plenty of prostitutes, no guards, whatever happens in
Derphy stays in Derphy.

Your Home: You either have a fancier home than any town, or you are a shut in who wants privacy.

A Dungeon/the void: You want to tie the knot bathed in the blood of your enemies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 16:25:45 2017 No.17276852 >>17276411 >>is there even any point for shops in 1.69 Not sure if serious or trolling at this point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 16:35:04 2017 No.17276891 File: 37 KB, 624x118, jew gold.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17276269 >>17276411 >>17276352 top is blacksmith other is food shop

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 16:41:24 2017 No.17276913 >>17276891 Question is, how much would you have gotten for all that food if you'd just sold it yourself? And is the difference worth the lost exp you'd have gotten from selling stuff?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 16:43:47 2017 No.17276926 >>17276913 The lost exp is extremely likely to be meaningless. NEG doesn't scale past 100 for PCs, CHA matters past 75 only for a bare few things, level EXP is gotten easier by murdering things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 16:45:52 2017 No.17276936 >>17276926 Man, Investing has put my CHA through the roof. Is there any real documentation on how shop rank affects shops? Like how 200 differs from 300 from 500.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 17:04:02 2017 No.17277021

>>17276936
Basically, what you'd find on a dungeon floor with danger level equal to rank, excluding /nosell/ items, of course. It also affects quantity of items stocked, for most shops up to rank 120, for blacksmith - up to rank 840. For blacksmith rank also affects quality of items, blacksmith has higher chance of stocking great items instead of good (capped at rank 1000), and black market has higher chance of stocking <miracle> items instead of great (capped at rank 4000).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 17:11:23 2017 No.17277062 >>17277021 Shit, that's a lot better of an effect than I thought. I figured it was pointless to push, say, my magic shops beyond ~200.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 17:19:33 2017 No.17277103

>>17277062
Actually, here's little point in going beyond 200, because rare items don't become more common as rank \ danger level increases, rather, certain (not all) common items get rarer. So, for example, spellbook of wishing will only get barely more common at rank, say, 2000, than at rank 200.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 17:26:08 2017 No.17277141 >>17277103 Wouldn't that make the rarer items show up more often? Since the slots are capped but you get the common items less often.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 17:29:46 2017 No.17277160 Is it normal for non-equipment items to be fully identified on the floor of a dungeon or is this just an effect of the Puppy Cave?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 17:38:57 2017 No.17277199 >>17277141 They would, but much less than you would expect; many common items do not scale down, and for those which do, rank 100 already divides the chance of appearing by 100, so they can't get much rarer after that really.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 18:10:35 2017 No.17277298 File: 12 KB, 855x18, help.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Y-you feeling alright there Kumi?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 18:33:14 2017 No.17277397 >>17277298 Congratulations! Hope you are happy together.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 19:13:13 2017 No.17277615 >>17276838 Exp bonus activate at skill level 100+speedINI with the multiplier determined by attributeINI

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 19:37:22 2017 No.17277740
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>>17275619
>>17275657

I'll look into two hand if I manage to cap my two hand skill. It's only at 984 at the moment and is lagging behind other skills I'm raising.

I've capped tactics which is the main damage multiplier workhorse of martial arts and dual wield builds. Weapon skills such as martial arts, long swords, polearms, etc mainly help accuracy. They also give a very small bonus to the damage multiplier. How small? Well it contributes 0.1 every 10 levels of a weapon skill to your damage multiplier. That means if you cap say the long sword skill you get an additional 20 points to your damage multiplier. That's small compared to what tactics and attributes are doing for your damage multiplier but hey every little bit helps. My damage multiplier is in the x100+ so a very small bit of that comes from weapon skills. Dual wield only helps accuracy while wielding more than one weapon. It contributes nothing to damage aside from making sure you land your blows.

Martial arts is even worse when it comes to damage multiplier. It only provides .05 every 10 levels of the skill. So again most of MA's damage multiplier is coming from tactics and attributes as well.

I ran another test comparing dw to martial arts damage. This time I crafted a living polearm and used it in conjunction with the Rankis since my polearm skill, sitting at 1,210, is much better than my other weapon skills. Having a polearm skill at 1,210 means that's it's giving me 12.1 points to my damage multiplier. So I'm about 8 points off from the max amount of bonus damage multiplier I would get from capping the polearm weapon skill. To make up for this shortfall in this test, I decided to cast hero on myself during the dual wield portion of the test and to make sure hero wasn't running during the MA part. Hero would bump my strength up to give me the 8 points of damage multiplier I was missing.

So the main damage skills for dual wield come tactics and weapon skill and I've now accounted for them. There are no specific buffs that only effect dual wielders that I can think of so the only buff I had on was hero to make up for weapon skill damage multiplier. Picture 1 shows the damage I got in one turn doing 8 attacks dual wielding polearms. Total damage was 279,944. Picture 2 shows the damage I got in one turn doing 8 attacks with martial arts. Martial arts has 2 buffs unique to buffing unarmed damage that don't work on weapons which are attribute and clear mind. So I only had those 2 buffs on with the MA test and nothing else. Total damage is 2,252,394 damage. So MA did 1,972,450 damage more damage than my instance of dual wielding polearms.

I also tested damage to account for time stop. I could not get a picture of it because the log would suffer from overflow to account for all the attacks I did. It still came up short. Even under the best circumstances it would come up short. I was able to take 5 actions during my time stop when it came up. That means I could get up to 40 attacks. However, to get 40 attacks I'd have to hit 8 times back to back five times. A very hard feat to accomplish but possible. Assuming the damage recorded earlier for dual wield, 279,944, multiplied 6 times(1 for the initial 8 attacks and 5 for the attacks during timestop.) is 1,679,664. 292,786 damage short of what MA did.

Damage for both tests were done on an arktouros with capped armor skills in the void. I sandbagged him to make sure I didn't accidentally kill him. Sandbagged enemies keep their damage resistance from skills. So those are the numbers I normally would get from attack him. I do almost all my damage testing in the void because if I did it in say a normal dungeon with normal enemies the numbers I could achieve would be silly and more work to jot down.

As a side note, the living polearm I created through crafting using carpentry has more damage dice than my living lightsaber yet lower pierce. While my polearm damage was slightly less than my lightsabers damage, the magic damage on the polearm, despite being the same magnitude as the one on my living lightsaber, did more damage on my polearm. Due to that, I was hitting harder with my polearm than with my living lightsaber. Only leveled it to lv 10 because I didn't want to trigger blood sucking by leveling it further.

>>17275744
Akeno is a wall in the void. Even this deep in the void she's been easy to manage since she just doesn't take that much damage due to her bitflags. She still gets hurt but since it's all chip damage it's easy to heal. By chip damage I just mean physical stuff. She just laughs at spell casters. So yeah I definitely would say Karata is one of the best investments I made for a pet. Heavy upfront cost dealing with its high INI and preparations but you certainly get what you paid for. She works wonders once you bring its life to 100. You're correct, only thing you really need to work on is magic resist and possibly immunities. So gearing Karata up is much easier than other pets.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 19:39:07 2017 No.17277746 >>17275744 >>17277740 inb4 Ano nerfs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 19:54:10 2017 No.17277804 >>17277740 Wonderful, a wall is just what i want, giving it provoke and keeping things occupied while i pewpewpew with my laser gun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 20:16:34 2017 No.17277892 At what point should I try beating Inner Gods? Do I need to cap SPD and get few hundreds Life/Mana 1st? Could have tested, but man, I'm afraid Kumi gonna mortally kill me to death.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 20:27:49 2017 No.17277927

Also, has anybode gotten to high levels with a spellcaster character? I am not talking about martial/sniper characters who also spams buffs - pretty much everyone does that at high levels - but actually the caster who deals all the damage with spells,

1. Magic Dart or Crystal Spear? Do they scale differently and is CS stronger overall when it comes to single target strong enemies?

2. does meteor actually scale with anything?

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 20:28:17 2017 No.17277931

>>17276840
I think it should show in your journal where you got married. Surely people would start marrying in unusual places like Lesimas 45th or party rooms.

>>17277160
They aren't fully identified. You don't know BUC status.

>>17277746
Would be understandable. Getting a Karata always had the risk of nerf since its introduction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 20:28:30 2017 No.17277932 >>17277892 If you unequip and drop all your non-precious items before trying, you have approx 1 herbed food worth of stats to lose. That's tiny. Well, and the wish unless you do it at the truce grounds in nov, but that's the price of admittance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 20:32:08 2017 No.17277947 >>17277740 one belt for bleed others can tear stone on or find gear with it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 20:39:37 2017 No.17277979

>>17277927
Crystal spear is better than magic dart in the long run.
However, since there's no debuff to lower Magic resist (which enemies will get later on), nor do they get conditional damage doubling (from Wet/Oil) or boost from Itzpalt, it maybe be that the elemental spells may actually be the way to go for damage.
It also scales with spell level worse than the elemental spells.

Meteor does not roll for damage but it does scale. It does:
Spell Multiplier * (Spell Level * 10 + 50) * Magic / 10
fire damage to everything.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 20:41:06 2017 No.17277983

>>17277740
This gave me an idea: you can't dominate anything that can talk, but NPCs in Party Time quests can't talk, so maybe they can be dominated?
I couldn't find anything online about it, so I decided to check myself. Turns out that even though killing Mia there doesn't cost you karma, you still can't dominate her. (I assume all the other NPCs are the same.) Oh well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 20:47:50 2017 No.17278014 >>17277979 To correct myself, I don't think the condition damage boost is actually double, but it is significant.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 21:46:50 2017 No.17278267
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Guys, anybody got a female defender sprite sheet?
I want to change my defender's gender so giving him money through evochat isn't as weird. Having him look the same after the procedure would be even weirder so I'd like to have a new look ready before I do so.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 21:56:14 2017 No.17278339
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>>17277927
Well even though I specialize in MA with my character I can sling spells well enough to trick the mages in the mage guild. Crystal spear does overtake magic dart but depending on how far you leveled magic dart will determine how fast crystal spear overtakes it. Could take awhile if you used magic dart for a long time. Meteor is the best damage scaling spell in the game.

The resist cap in the void for most monsters seem to be superb everything except magic which is at normal. The resists mainly follow that trend with a few exceptions due to racial bonuses or monster features. For instance undead being weak against fire. Current meteor spell lv for me is 1078 and regular meteor damage down in the void for me is around 640k. Particular monsters weak to fire turn into extra crispy things when they take around 4 million damage. I'm guessing at cap meteor normal damage might do around 1.2 million damage if resists don't change down in the void. I don't think they will though as I haven't seen any change for at least 500 floors now. Magic is fine for endgame.

>>17277947
Not sure I follow. Bleeding is definitely a problem for any metal pet initially due to low life but once you boost life to default levels like 100 bleeding is a problem of the past. Mainly because you can just heal it before it becomes a problem if you have a sufficient amount of HP to begin with. I suppose early on you can equip gear that helps diminish blood loss or whatever that enchant is called if bleeding is a problem you need to stomp out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 22:08:40 2017 No.17278409 >>17278339 So enemies don't go into the Superb+++ ranges? That's nice to know.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 22:32:14 2017 No.17278538

>>17277892
Cap speed puts you on even footing with them considering they have cap speed as well. Don't need extra life or mana. Default 100 values should work. The main thing you need to be concerned with is how much damage you can shove out. If you can do at least 15k damage to them in one turn then you stand a good chance of winning. If you do less the fight is going to be really hard. Also all the inner gods have a gimmick so you should prepare for them. For instance Kumiromi has a map wide insanity attack and Mani has a gun that frequently time stops. Oh and Itzpalt...you know how much damage mana burst can do? Well remember you're fighting a magic god that has quite a bit of MP. But yeah the main thing is how much damage you can do because you don't want the fights to last that long or those gimmicks will get you among with dealing with ragnaroks and special god related gauge attacks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 22:47:37 2017 No.17278604 Are there any NPCs with neat special features, like the Badger's innate disguise ability? Also, which NPCs have the most special actions/abilities? I'm looking to expand my team a bit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 23:00:23 2017 No.17278664 Why does siva have to be such a jerk? Thought I found a friendly thing in a chaos fort but this dog went straight for my throat and crotch. I haven't been splatter this fast since the cat girl in the other fort. Fuck you Siva your a bad dog

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 23:06:02 2017 No.17278696 >>17278604 Special features are basically the god pets' deal. As far as actions go, you can teach them to pets using AP, or the Custom AI system (although special actions there have a stamina-based limit to how often they can be used).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 23:09:05 2017 No.17278713 File: 191 KB, 1024x742, 1498859244372.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17278664 Arf Arf t.Siva

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 23:43:56 2017 No.17278901
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Hey guys I need some help with setting up the chat/moon gates.

Do I change server.txt, run elochat.exe, then elonaplus.exe? Also how do I actually use the chat in-game? I've gotten the "You need an internet connection" error once messing around.

Pic related is what happens without As Admin and generally everything else.

Anonymous Tue Jul 4 23:49:18 2017 No.17278936

>>17278901
Don't run elochat. Change server.txt to whatever it was you're supposed to change it to, make sure your config is also changed in whatever way it was supposed to, and then just start up Elona, and open up your journal or the log, and tab on over to the chat and see if you see any player messages.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 23:55:55 2017 No.17278962 File: 524 KB, 814x627, 11.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17278936 I don't see any messages but II get [0] You need an internet connection when I try sending something by pressing Tab and putting something in the Input field that pops up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 4 23:57:32 2017 No.17278970 >>17278962 You did change your config so that serverlist is 1 instead of 0 right?

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 00:00:52 2017 No.17278986

>>17278901
Go to config.txt and where you see serverlist turn the 0 to 1. Basically you're disabling autoretrieve where your game is pulling down the server text file you have posted linking to the server that no longer works. Once you've changed serverlist to 1 save and delete your server.txt file. Make a new text file, called it server, and in it copy paste:

elochat-proxy.shiroko.yi.org%elona.squares.net%

That's all that should be in there. Save it, open up the game and in the options go to network and make sure it's flicked to yes. In game you chat using tab to bring up a prompt. You see chat in the actual log. Log can be expanded and access by pressing /. Tabing while in the log can bring you to the chat log. Elochat.exe does not work.

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 00:01:18 2017 No.17278989 [DELETED]

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>>17278970
Yessir. I followed the instructions competently I think. Running as admin gets rid of the error message in >>17278901 but the issue now is the [0] You need an internet connection. Do I need to update to 1.69?

This would be major spoonfeeding but someone could just upload their modified client and I'd put my savefile in and play from that. Would that work?

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 00:05:53 2017 No.17279002
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>>17278986
It's working thanks! Issue was not deleting and making a new server.txt. Thank you very much. I'd suggest putting that info in the pastebin to a new wiki post since apparently I'm not the only one having the issue.

>>17278936
>>17278970
Thank you too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 00:09:32 2017 No.17279011 What happens if you wish for a shit?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 00:16:17 2017 No.17279038 >>17279011 You get a shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 00:22:23 2017 No.17279059 Does saving my bejeweled chests and opening them in the level 666 dungeon do anything?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 00:23:25 2017 No.17279064 File: 34 KB, 350x289, nyoron.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17279011

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 00:27:36 2017 No.17279075 >>17279064 meant to quote >>17279038

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 00:30:16 2017 No.17279082 >>17279059 The game treats it as danger level 25. So no.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 00:33:47 2017 No.17279094 File: 38 KB, 298x219, chen_spoonfeeding.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17279082 So where should I open them? Also are the equipment dropped by NPCs you kill in town randomly generated?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 00:35:30 2017 No.17279098 >>17279094 Where you get them. It's really not worth hauling them around. If I recall, the contents are partially determined the moment it drops.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 00:39:28 2017 No.17279130 >>17279098 sankyu

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 01:00:04 2017 No.17279204
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So I accidentally picked up a Moon Gate which killed me instantly so I had to drop it on the spot in my house. Now how the fuck do I get rid of it? 500.s Doesn't seem worth flying scrolls.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 01:01:20 2017 No.17279208 File: 14 KB, 241x97, female defenders.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17278267 I don't know about a sheet, but these are all the sprites I have.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 01:02:19 2017 No.17279216 >>17279204 pot of fusion it into worthless gold with 2 other filler items.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 01:06:42 2017 No.17279236 File: 14 KB, 241x97, female defenders.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17278267 I don't know about a sheet, but these are all the sprites I have.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 01:08:15 2017 No.17279244 >>17279216 Thanks

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 01:17:47 2017 No.17279290 >>17279236 Thanks. Now I need to stop being lazy and go through pastebins for custom icons to match the sprites.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 01:21:46 2017 No.17279305 Are living weapons still bad?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 01:25:05 2017 No.17279313 >>17279305 I wasn't aware living weapons were ever bad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 01:40:22 2017 No.17279364 File: 10 KB, 659x32, 1478568983634.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] wew

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 01:40:35 2017 No.17279367 >>17277931 you're wrong. this is part of the "nefian fever" update.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 01:50:35 2017 No.17279385 Jesus christ the music ticket requirements on cheese/fruits are immense. Is there any case where you could get them faster than just dungeon diving for little girls? Do the old "summoning things in Party Time quests" tricks still work?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 01:56:49 2017 No.17279393 >>17279385 >Do the old "summoning things in Party Time quests" tricks still work? Nope

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 02:01:02 2017 No.17279404 >>17279385 Music Ticket piles spawn instead of some of the gold piles in dungeons during fever mode in 1.69. If you can take advantage of this it should shave a lot of the grind off from preformer quests.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 02:02:06 2017 No.17279407 Does the training machine do anything besides pass time quickly during Netherwind? Also unrelated anyone else having really annoying captchas i.e. fading really slowing or never ending Next

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 02:06:53 2017 No.17279418 >>17279407 Trains STR and STR potential.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 02:09:52 2017 No.17279422 Does cooked food rot? >>17279418 Danke

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 02:11:09 2017 No.17279426 >>17279422 scratch that I found it on the wiki page.

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 02:19:30 2017 No.17279443
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>>17279393
I did a quick test and it does work, the spirits are level 26.
The only thing that changed if i remember IIRC is that you can auto win them over with love potions, you need to actually have the faith/performer skill to please high-level NPCs.

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 02:29:24 2017 No.17279456

>>17279313
>>17279305
Maybe he means if the living weapon fusion system was changed

A recent update made living weapons unable to go through artifact fusion. I myself have actually not updated lately because I still want to fuse my best weapon up before I level it.

Need more socks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 02:33:59 2017 No.17279466 >>17279456 It also roughly doubled the power-per-level of living weapons and caused their baseline to spike too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 03:21:16 2017 No.17279554 I just saw fucking Isca in the pet arena. WELP E L P

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 03:47:01 2017 No.17279592
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What does the + and - next to an equip mean? enhance/damage? And what's the difference between blacksmith hardening and scroll enchanting?

I can't find the wiki page on it, mind telling me what it's under?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 03:48:20 2017 No.17279595 File: 603 KB, 706x403, SadLunatic.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >when you get /jp/'s alias

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 03:55:09 2017 No.17279604 File: 696 KB, 805x625, 11.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm Trusted Virgin, want to be friends?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 03:56:11 2017 No.17279606 Does burden apply to pets?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 04:08:23 2017 No.17279626 >>17279606 Not that I know of

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 04:10:36 2017 No.17279630 What does pressing "c" on your skills do? >>17279626 Thanks, so I should just stack heavy armor on them?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 04:12:57 2017 No.17279637 >>17279630 nevermind they were my bonus points that I've never spent im dumb.

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 04:19:24 2017 No.17279653

>>17279592
Blacksmith hardening and scroll enchanting are functionally identical. Normal scrolls can go to +2 (+3 when blessed) and greater scrolls to +5 (+6 when blessed). The smith however, can go to +10. Not only that, you can halve the cost for enchanting at the smith by joining the Fighter's Guild.

>>17279630
If you want the pet to use the heavy armor skill, go right ahead. They don't get casting failure from it either. But if you want them to use light/medium skills you'll have to manage their total armor weight.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 04:21:22 2017 No.17279658 >>17279592 If I'm not mistaken every +gives 1 to damage and to-hit for weapons and +2 to PV and DV for equipment

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 04:21:29 2017 No.17279659 Shotguns or mgs?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 04:22:31 2017 No.17279663 >>17279653 >>17279658 thanks buds

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 04:27:23 2017 No.17279678 File: 157 KB, 303x287, fuck_you.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I saw a mercenary with a 80 PV kite shield but they didn't drop it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 05:19:08 2017 No.17279794 >Holding shift causes movement to happen faster How did I only just find this out now

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 05:19:33 2017 No.17279796 File: 243 KB, 800x620, 11.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] dubs decides my first little sister's fate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 05:20:42 2017 No.17279800 File: 11 KB, 211x246, what_the_fug_02.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17279794 I never knew this either, thanks. I'm 90 hours in

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 06:07:03 2017 No.17279886 File: 283 KB, 587x374, AssMagic.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Where does your magic come from, /jp/?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 06:21:35 2017 No.17279913 Is <Diablo> worth getting? http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Diablo

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 06:25:21 2017 No.17279917 I feel really dumb but how do I get the stuff from my old home into my new home? Constructing a new home on the map just wiped the home and everything in it off the map.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 06:29:18 2017 No.17279925 And should I full panic mode that I lost everything or is there a way to retrieve?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 06:30:23 2017 No.17279926 File: 2.00 MB, 240x180, im-retarded.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Nevermind.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 06:34:12 2017 No.17279935 File: 527 KB, 803x625, 11.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] That's a keeper.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 07:04:26 2017 No.17280006 >>17278339 >>17278538 Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 07:22:08 2017 No.17280053 >>17276679 What, are you Marisa now?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 07:27:56 2017 No.17280071 File: 61 KB, 146x113, Tewi the shit explodes.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17279011 You get Tewi.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 07:29:38 2017 No.17280076 >>17279385 >Do the old "summoning things in Party Time quests" tricks still work? Of course not, why would that spell have any beneficial purpose at all?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 07:36:38 2017 No.17280098 What's the ideal body for peak physical performance? Just grow nothing but hands?

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 07:47:39 2017 No.17280126

>>17280098
Why would you have more than 2 hands when you can only get 8 attacks max (provided you don't have a shield/tonfa equipped which caps it at 4)? You can't use twohand while using multiple weapons and can get the max number of attacks by dualwielding with a normal body.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 07:47:56 2017 No.17280128 My pet isn't learning... The custom AI is working perfectly, except for anything i try to teach it. I already made extensive use of it some years ago, so i have no idea what it is.

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 07:56:05 2017 No.17280154

>>17280098
>I didn't really have a priority list when I gene engineered body parts into Akeno and my Shoggoth. Not to say I didn't put any thought into it though. For Akeno I wanted to stick to a vanilla humanoid 13 slot body(Yerles, Eulderna, Jure, etc) so I pretty much just opened my own character's equipment sheet and followed the slot layout of that. For the shoggoth I wanted a completely exotic body but keeping it to 13 slots. When I got my shoggoth it only came with 3 slots. A head slot, a shoot slot, and an ammo slot. After extensive gene engineering it now has a head slot, a shoot slot, an ammo slot, 8 hands, an arm slot, and a neck slot.
>After gene engineering missing body parts for pets I've come to the conclusion that there exists a conflict of damage slots vs resist slots. You see, the armor you tend to find in dungeons have resists which you need if you're going to survive whereas weapons tend to not have resists unless you get something like a defender weapon or a living weapon. So you kinda want to have armor slots and not be all hands unless you're really late in the game and have access to artifact fusion.
>So you want hands and some armor slots for resists. If you're going for more hands you're going to have to decide on the ratio of hands to armor slots. The next question would be what should the armor slots be?
>Well for me I answered that question by what armor slots would benefit me right now and in the long run. I wanted proximity assist and had a pair of gloves in storage with them so I gene engineered an arm slot into my shoggoth. There's also a static artifact called the twin edge that helps grant extra attacks so I gene engineered a neck slot into the shoggoth. Not saying that your pet must have a neck and arm slot but I'm saying that the armor slots you do choose should maybe map to gear enchants you want or armor artifacts you intend to get in the future.
>Due to Akeno having a lot of armor slots, getting her resists up is a lot easier than it will be for my shoggoth. I'm late enough in the game to take advantage of artifact fusion and crafting that I can use artifact fusion to fill the shoggoth's necklace, helmet, and gloves with resists. If I run out of room on those three items I can then turn to putting resists on living weapons if need be.
>Unfortunately, I don't see a person early on in the game having a pet with 8 arms or more having a good time surviving anything that can cast spells or breathes elemental stuff if it can't kill it before it kills them or has a dedicated healer that is constantly paying attention. As a side note I wouldn't go way over 13 slots. That speed penalty adds up. For me anyhow, I'm fighting things with speeds of 1500 or greater so speed penalties are unacceptable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 07:58:05 2017 No.17280162 >>17280128 I tried playing in english, to no avail. Was there a bug in the 1.68 version fixed later ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 08:04:16 2017 No.17280187 File: 35 KB, 768x430, 1423653773719.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17280162 Ah, after twenty or so pet arena fest i finally saw how trigger. I remember how it worked wrong, good good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 08:12:58 2017 No.17280212 How does stacking for food work? Are some dishes just less stackable than others?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 08:23:23 2017 No.17280258 File: 434 KB, 806x628, OH MY GOD.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17279364

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 08:26:59 2017 No.17280270 >>17280126 >you can only get 8 attacks max Didn't know that was a thing. That's dumb. >>17280154 I don't get why he added 8 hands if the 8 attacks per round thing is true

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 09:14:10 2017 No.17280450 What happens if I let the scientist engineer body parts on a pet with 1 life? Free body parts?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 09:18:28 2017 No.17280468 >>17280450 http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Gavela >It is impossible to give limbs to pets with 1 life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 09:23:00 2017 No.17280491 early game? sure other than that no

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 09:24:51 2017 No.17280501 >>17279913 early game? sure

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 09:27:49 2017 No.17280513 >>17280098 well i gave myself an extra hand so i could wield 3 staves i'll consider removing it once i can get Vital Flayer

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 09:27:59 2017 No.17280515 If you desummon your pet does it still get hungry? I've been toting around goosey in dungeons and she doesn't do very well. >>17280491 >>17280501 thanks

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 09:30:24 2017 No.17280527 >>17280515 i believe when the pet is desummoned it is in stasis, and the game does not track changes. i've summoned pets hours later to see that they're poisoned, confused, full, etc

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 09:32:38 2017 No.17280536 >>17280515 as an addendum, what I like to do is leash those kinds of pets to me and warp them out temporarily in bad spots. usually i'm fast enough to desummon them before some motherfucker with a grenade makes me feel sad for a moment

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 09:50:23 2017 No.17280623 File: 2 KB, 50x95, 1499262623804.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I was looking through the sprite sheet for the new evolution stated to exist in 1.69, and saw this instead. What is this and how do I get it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 09:53:07 2017 No.17280633 File: 220 KB, 573x392, 11.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] DUDE

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 09:53:16 2017 No.17280634 >>17280536 There's a reason I gave my fox brother the Unknown Shell.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 09:57:36 2017 No.17280659 >>17280623 http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Buildion

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 09:59:34 2017 No.17280665 >>17280659 >http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Buildion i'm gonna fuck it

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 10:01:28 2017 No.17280674 >>17280633 CURARIA

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 10:09:52 2017 No.17280703 >>17280674 Is that spic for cannabis?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 10:26:29 2017 No.17280800 >put fetters of earth on >spam pet arena >quickly regen potential I love it so much. I can't hold all these yen coins.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 10:52:11 2017 No.17280914 >>17280703 do u even play this game

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 10:57:15 2017 No.17280929 >>17279604 i see u shitposting in the channel

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 11:10:21 2017 No.17280968 >>17279604 SwissedToast..? This isn't an MMO, your character's name isn't an account handle. Low effort default sprite and portrait. 3/10

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 11:17:29 2017 No.17280990 >use generic knight picture >use busty no eyed lady pcc feels good to be the best of both genders

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 11:18:02 2017 No.17280993 >>17280968 say that to my face not online kid

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 11:28:51 2017 No.17281048 File: 82 KB, 639x628, 1444956943902.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17279604 >LER 9 (4)

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 11:59:38 2017 No.17281180

Any good and easy way to get resurrection books? I spent mine and now I can't make strange meat. And is there any good source for character art that doesn't clash with the game's artstyle? I checked the different mods on the pastebin but they clash with the base game. Speaking of...

>>17273533
This is happening to me as well. Tried downloading it 3 times with no luck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 12:11:14 2017 No.17281246 >>17281180 All sorts of mummies like to drop books of resurrection.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 12:39:55 2017 No.17281382 Around what percentage should I keep my skill potentials at to keep the best skill growth ratio per platinum?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 12:48:10 2017 No.17281426 File: 12 KB, 599x33, drunk meido.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Remember to never let your maids get the booze.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 12:59:35 2017 No.17281501 >>17281246 Thanks, that worked. Time to make the defender the prettiest girl at the ball.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 13:00:34 2017 No.17281507 File: 202 KB, 420x688, 31740844_p10.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17281501 Always happy to help.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 13:08:25 2017 No.17281553 >>17279204 Hire a vendor and sell it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 13:11:31 2017 No.17281566 >>17279204 Cast fire bolts at it until it burns down, have some means of extinguishing fires prepared.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 13:25:57 2017 No.17281642 Interesting. If you drop too many fruit trees on your ranch your pet stops breeding.

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 13:27:14 2017 No.17281646

Hit another bump. U added the custom female defender at tge character.bmp o the free user spots. How do I actually swap my defender's sprite for any of them? I triet [i]interacting with him and with a dresser as well but no luck. Am I supposed to paste the new sprite over the old one?
[spoiler]The meat swapped his gender to transmale and not female. Way to ruin it for me game.[/spoiler]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 13:30:43 2017 No.17281663 >>17281646 Are you drunk or why are you typing like a moron? Anyway, you can paste the sprite you want your pet to have over one of the free user graphic slots in the character.bmp. Then interact with your pet in-game and tell it to shape change.

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 13:32:07 2017 No.17281669
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>>17281646
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Custom_NPC_sprite
>Put a 48x48 black background .bmp in elona/user/graphics named Pic_#.bmp where the number is between 2 and 16. Or put a 48x96 black background .bmp there with a number from 17 to 32.
>Interact with your pet with 'i' and choose option e 'shape change'. A box will pop up prompting you to type a number. Type the # of the picture you want your pet to change to.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 13:36:00 2017 No.17281678 >>17281663 >>17281669 Thanks. I was using the appearance option, didn't think to try with "change shape" I'm actually phoneposting. I should read what I type before hitting Post.

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 13:41:02 2017 No.17281690
File: 151 KB, 960x960, level 1 snail tourist.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

so what's the way to make cash now (1.69)? I've got about 250 unspent skill points and a bunch of platinum with middling skills in all gathering and production skills. I'm pretty tired of making 25k-200k a night selling dungeon trash...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 14:08:51 2017 No.17281817 File: 6 KB, 128x192, pcc_body_36.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] remove cleaners

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 14:26:43 2017 No.17281893 Is it, in legal terms, tax evasion if I don't take the gold from the shop/salary chest?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 14:33:29 2017 No.17281916 File: 1 KB, 48x96, kitty_bank.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17281893 The only form of tax evasion is not paying the bill they send you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 14:34:37 2017 No.17281918 >>17281893 Taxation system is dumb in Irva. They only tax gold you carry on hand, so it's more like a purse tax. Anything you leave in shopbox or in kitty banks don't count. And besides taxation is theft

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 14:52:52 2017 No.17281996 >>17281893 I'm curious on what the cap on pages for those and deed box are. I've taken like 3 items between them like ever. Pages keep going up, not capped on me

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 14:59:28 2017 No.17282022 >>17281996 >and deed box You can't carry more than 200 items in your inventory, so 200.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 15:13:47 2017 No.17282081 >>17282022 Is that 200 items in total regardless of amount of stacks or 200 stacks?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 15:16:31 2017 No.17282088 >>17281918 Not a fan of this system myself, especially since you can go off to the farther corner of the world to build a mansion and they'd still demand you give taxes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 15:20:22 2017 No.17282098 >>17282081 200 stacks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 15:28:55 2017 No.17282127 >>17281817 is that wing snail

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 15:56:26 2017 No.17282209 File: 55 KB, 393x211, cutie artillery.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 15:58:21 2017 No.17282218 File: 432 KB, 800x600, Only for best girl.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17282209

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 16:02:13 2017 No.17282231 Should I trade my ap for speed asap or try and raise it through regular means before doing so.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 16:04:17 2017 No.17282241 >>17282231 Use your AP, it only goes up to 500 (800 in Act 3) before you have to raise it normally.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 16:16:44 2017 No.17282309 >>17282231 use ap, dont waste other items raising your speed before hitting the max cap with ap

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 16:49:57 2017 No.17282481 >>17275744 Does he really keep the immunities after copying with astral pen? I did and when I use objet of heart on him it says he is weak to loads of elements.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 17:06:59 2017 No.17282566 >>17282481 Objet doesn't check bitflags, only resistances. So yeah, he should keep his immunities.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 17:30:10 2017 No.17282654 >>17282566 Pheew, I thought I went through the pain of recruiting him (now her) in vain.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 17:30:35 2017 No.17282655 Is it worth it to evolve a defender? Lay hands is amazing, but the taking damage for allies abilitt just seems like it would pulp him if you take a large party into a high level dungeon. Anyone know the specifics of how it works?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 17:37:04 2017 No.17282688 >>17282655 It transfers damage to the defender, then halves it. Defender probably won't die from the damage even if it takes them into negative HP, but I'm not quite sure about that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 19:12:17 2017 No.17283067 >>17279796 turn her in to Dr Tenenbaum >>17278962 Different anon, I get this same message and "You need an internet connection" with auto retrieve disabled and the appropriate url in the server.txt file. What else could be wrong?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 19:15:33 2017 No.17283084 >>17279796 Give her a chance at a happy life.

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 19:27:57 2017 No.17283139

>>17279796
Take her as your own child, have a pure non marriage familial relationship with her, make her a well furnished room in your home, help her to grow into a fine Big Sister, and feed her the cooked meat of every single female npc you come across in game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 19:38:02 2017 No.17283173 File: 5 KB, 343x16, absolutely disgusting.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 20:44:37 2017 No.17283384 >>17283173 this is why i always vote for her as werewolf

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 21:36:56 2017 No.17283575 How would one go about editing existing recruitable NPCs? Recently got the Murder Knight and all I can think of is how much he resembles Knight Blazer and as such I'd like to give him an evo (To Gold Blazer) but I wouldn't know where to begin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 22:43:24 2017 No.17283796 I thought I was doing pretty ok with act 2 until Mobile Ass Ruining Equipment ruined my asshole, 8k damage magic dart -> 300 damage, mist of silence doesnt turn off breath spell, hits too hard for me to keep rage on. advice /b/?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 22:46:50 2017 No.17283807 >>17283796 Where are your pets my dude

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 22:46:56 2017 No.17283808 >>17283796 Also brave trait and near death, the only reason i beat him (after multiple tries) was because he was busy eating my wife and I have 600 speed after buff. If the next boss in this dungeon is harder i'm doing something wrong

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 22:48:38 2017 No.17283814

>>17283807
well my pet slime girl wife was busy dying but DEALING MORE DAMAGE THAN ME because the new "assemble" melt spaction deals raw acid damage, and 600 is bigger than 150. My pet acid sea hare is there to be funny, and my pet candle wisp did not auto trigger death word as advertised. and my pet magic hawk moth did not bewitch the boss, unsurprisingly

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 22:51:50 2017 No.17283823 >>17283814 http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Word_of_Death >However, recent patches seem to have raised the general hex resistance of all monsters, and word of death fails more often than it used to.

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 22:53:48 2017 No.17283831

>>17283823
yeah i saw, but I was able to slow the boss for a while so I figured after 100-200 turns death word would go off, turns out no. Is there a way to make death word stronger? I had hoped if I ever ran into a boss I couldnt kill, dword would go off and I would laugh, but instead all my Disney's Beauty and the Beast motherfucker did was set a spellbook on fire

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 22:54:05 2017 No.17283833 >>17283814 Bosses have high hex resistance, meaning curses take many attempts to land them and the duration is shortened. This does not mean they're impossible to use, they're still very much worth using.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 22:57:40 2017 No.17283846 >>17283808 The solution to everything in Elona is "keep grinding"

Anonymous Wed Jul 5 22:58:24 2017 No.17283850

>>17283833
agreed. I swear there's a way to do it though, wiki says death dragon zombie thing can reliably curse anubis, and wisp is a higher level, I thought I got a good deal. I guess thats what happens when you do your pet shopping at motherfucking Pier 1 Imports

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 23:00:18 2017 No.17283854 >>17283846 will do, just extremely surprised at how quickly I went from King Big Dick to Deputy Dumpster Baby

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 23:02:33 2017 No.17283858 >>17283846 Some grinding is much more effective than others though. >>17283854 Rehmido tends to do that. If you thought Zeome's heal spam was bad, just you wait.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 23:12:30 2017 No.17283881 File: 658 KB, 500x366, 1370843559017.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17283858

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 23:39:37 2017 No.17283953 File: 25 KB, 100x100, 1441997973346.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >You play a disc <BGM65> Fuck yes, finally found it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 23:43:21 2017 No.17283965 Is Elona the fastest-developing roguelike?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 23:45:29 2017 No.17283975 >>17283965 If "removing features" counts as development DCSS wins. Unless there's been a recent shift in their dev direction.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 23:46:57 2017 No.17283982 >>17283965 name one other roguelike where you can throw a shit weighing 100 stone at wandering bard who knows, next week there might be a shit that weighs 200 stone

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 23:48:17 2017 No.17283987 >>17283982 Cursed flying scrolls

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 23:50:52 2017 No.17283994 If I tell my pet to wield the Zwiebel, are they gonna try to eat it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 23:51:09 2017 No.17283997 >>17283975 There's more than one update per month?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 23:52:19 2017 No.17284004 >>17283997 Trunk or whatever the public development branch is called gets updated pretty frequently.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 5 23:57:04 2017 No.17284020 >>17283987 i just realized that I could have a cargo of giraffe shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 00:06:17 2017 No.17284041 >>17283994 Custom's "Feed" action is the only way to get pets to eat raw equipment. If you use the normal Give action, they won't eat them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 00:14:48 2017 No.17284053 Just updated to 1.69 and am loving the new Nefia effect on not 3rd months. Gathering spots for days and I got my first ever rod of wish from the first level 6 dungeon I went in after the upfate.

Anonymous Thu Jul 6 00:16:57 2017 No.17284058

>>17283831
>but instead all my Disney's Beauty and the Beast motherfucker did was set a spellbook on fire
>Someone making a party of all the magic furniture people in Elona
What makes this the most amusing is the fact it's more than possible to do in this game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 00:18:30 2017 No.17284062 >>17284058 And on top of that, you could fight by throwing furniture at monsters.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 00:31:29 2017 No.17284092 File: 260 KB, 840x525, d351ff25e07da2fbad7b16e561ff6d76.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Y'know, switching gods immediately after summoning your current one is probably an unwise decision.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 01:12:58 2017 No.17284183 >>17284092 Except for Jure. She's totally into it. Lulwy too but she won't admit it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 01:50:13 2017 No.17284259 Magic lessons are one of the best QoL improvements of all time.

Anonymous Thu Jul 6 01:58:47 2017 No.17284287

So if you train your swimming skill, you get a bit of speed xp once in a while. And if you die, you don't lose any speed xp. How often does the xp gain occur from swimming? I'm thinking of training a new character's speed by turning my cave into a lake and resting for a few years in it.

Anonymous Thu Jul 6 02:01:08 2017 No.17284298

>>17284287
It trains speed just like any other skill trains its attribute. Speed also has a hidden potential; you'll need to drink speed upper potions to keep it up since regular potential potions won't cut it, I believe.
It's a very slow method of gaining speed, though. Even eating shoes would be faster.

Anonymous Thu Jul 6 02:54:50 2017 No.17284464

>>17283965
Cataclysm DDA trunk gets updated daily, but they're slow at adding new features since they also focus into fixing bugs and untangling spaghetti code/improve performance.

So yes, Elona+ is the fastest roguelike in development, at least quality-wise. Actually the fastest of any other game, since it doesn't come to mind any other game that is 6+ years old and still receives quality monthly updates. I started playing Elona+ when platinum cost of training skill was very high, and it has really come a long way.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 03:18:03 2017 No.17284515 >>17281916 This is not a kitty bank.

Anonymous Thu Jul 6 07:28:47 2017 No.17285106

>>17283965
Probably. Others either end up being changed into other roguelikes or get bigger updates less often like DCSS and tome4.

Demons RL I think also updates in smaller and occasional large updates like this but I think that's about it. Its kind of unfair to compare this game to most rl's when most are barely even their own entity beyond whatever they forked off of

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 08:03:12 2017 No.17285176 File: 381 KB, 1192x768, More than 200.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17282022 Yea no that doesn't seem to be true at all. My shop strongbox is at 221 also.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 08:25:22 2017 No.17285233 File: 6 KB, 512x100, ss.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What else do I need to do to get chat working? I get [0] You need an internet connection when I try to post. I have network features enabled.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 09:00:41 2017 No.17285314 >>17285233 Did you enable it in game as well as in the config file?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 09:01:28 2017 No.17285319 >>17285233 is your internet turned on

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 14:02:08 2017 No.17285543 >>17284464 Is it really quality and not quantity though if they are just piling on new shit instead of fixing bugs and the old stuff like CDDA does for example?

Anonymous Thu Jul 6 14:08:13 2017 No.17285574
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fooling around with slime wife, wiki says "melt clinch" (assembles) deals small damage based on STR and END. If she's averaging 700 with about 140 both stats, how long until this is viable? 1000 & 1000? Jp wiki doesnt go into any detail either. Further, I'm trying to figure out how casting affects acid ground, the worst spell in the game. I know Casting affects pet spell damage, and I was hoping that with a large amount of casting, slimes could be somewhat good. New bubble evolution supposedly casts water ball, which is also pure damage, like acid.

I'm hoping that with enough STR/END/Casting, she'll be able to do serious damage, but it's looking far out of reach. As far as Acid Ground, it definitely deals more damage than lv16 generic slime, but unless it scales exponentially massively for the pet between 100 and 200 casting, it'll never amount to anything failure and shame of family. As far as Melt Clinch, I want my pet to have high END anyway, and a stunlock is good I guess?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 14:18:39 2017 No.17285627 File: 15 KB, 502x384, 1498068374264.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17285574 Why is your wife called DEPUTY SHERBERT

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 14:23:06 2017 No.17285650 File: 671 B, 30x40, 611-AcidSlimeFemale(AnotherHeart).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17285627 ? she doesn't look like a SHERBERT to you? If you're asking why she's a deputy, she's up for a promotion to CHIEF INSPECTOR soon

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 14:28:13 2017 No.17285668 >>17285650 She'd better step it up because my wife BIG DICK RICK is fixing to snag that position, her resume is pretty impressive.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 14:33:16 2017 No.17285691 >>17285668 Oh How high is her Detection level

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 14:38:22 2017 No.17285708 File: 5 KB, 288x18, s80.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17285691

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 14:42:38 2017 No.17285733 File: 10 KB, 266x19, d59.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17285708 ah jeez. i hope she'll take it in stride and keep working hard. I almost don't want to tell her...

Anonymous Thu Jul 6 14:46:00 2017 No.17285748
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>>17285574
Melt clinch deals STR * 2 + END*2 + rnd(STR + 10) damage, so in your case it'd deal 566 - 712 damage, and it'll scale pretty poorly from now on.

As for acid ground, it doesn't scale exponentially, it scales linearly with her spellpower. The exact formula is 1 + spellpower / 10 + rnd (spellpower / 10 + 5). In practice that means with each other level in casting your wife will get approximately +0.6 to minimal damage and +1.2 to maximum damage, in practice somewhat more because most entities are weak to acid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 14:49:56 2017 No.17285767 >>17285733 Sherb can still make the cut if she trains hard and spends some AP for bonus points! The underdog can win just like in my japanese animes

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 15:02:46 2017 No.17285811 >>17285733 >>17285767 Remember, pets train Detection by murdering things.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 15:14:22 2017 No.17285850 Did Ano axe the appearance rate of lucky days? I've played for total of 20 hours and no lucky day. I want to spend my casino chips and ether fragments damnit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 15:47:39 2017 No.17285977 File: 260 KB, 595x398, elona absolute hammer.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Damn, shame about the fire resistance.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 15:53:26 2017 No.17286004 >>17285748 oh my goodness! thank you for your explanation, this is much appreciated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 15:57:41 2017 No.17286019 of course, this means my Terrible Wife will continue to be Terrible. That's ok, she is the best Terrible Wife

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 16:04:01 2017 No.17286041 Is there an optimal magic device level to avoid failing to use a rod of wish? Want an altar for my house but don't want to waste my chance.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 16:05:33 2017 No.17286045 >>17286041 Rod of wish will never fail regardless of your magic device level.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 16:06:53 2017 No.17286049 >>17286041 i thought they were guaranteed i've never seen a rod of wish and i don't know what i'd do with one... considering I have the mana battery disease

Anonymous Thu Jul 6 16:11:11 2017 No.17286063
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>>17285850

I've only gotten one since I started this character 2-3 months ago. According to the sleep article on the wiki treasure map and potential are both rarer but it sure doesn't feel that way to me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 16:16:18 2017 No.17286078 File: 272 KB, 597x401, elona doll of loneliness.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17286063 Time for item names I see. Thread's already autosaging so why not.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 16:18:17 2017 No.17286086 >>17285850 I've just been using the regular +77 luck bonus for blackjack. It seems to be about as good. (Also, that Nefia Fever thing is great for getting casino chips.)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 16:18:56 2017 No.17286089 File: 269 KB, 600x398, elona sister sex.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17286078

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 16:21:07 2017 No.17286100 File: 61 KB, 596x399, elona attractive dead.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17286089

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 16:22:55 2017 No.17286108 File: 242 KB, 597x397, Elona oral sniper.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17286100

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 16:24:31 2017 No.17286114 File: 244 KB, 594x397, elona striker of family.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17286108 Going to stop here for now. No need to spam these.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 16:47:23 2017 No.17286189 File: 140 KB, 642x247, Filename of Loser.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17286114 here u go

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 16:55:28 2017 No.17286214 >>17285176 I was talking about the deed box, since you can only inherit what your previous character had in their inventory.

Anonymous Thu Jul 6 17:06:40 2017 No.17286244

>>17286045
Oh, I had no idea. That is great to know.

>>17286049
I got my first from a level 6 dungeon in that new monthly event that automatically identifies items. I'd say check it out since I have never found one before that point either.

>>17285850
I've gotten 7 in about 12 in game months. I guess my paper happy bed helps.

Anonymous Thu Jul 6 17:52:17 2017 No.17286359

>>17286244
i've done a few of those! I only get 1-3 dungeons every fever tho. I carry around way too much junk so I keep having to dip out and sell everything, I'm so inefficient. not sure why I don't drop half of it. My 4d pocket is always full too, dunno what I'm gonna do when I hit 300...

Anonymous Thu Jul 6 17:55:54 2017 No.17286370
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>>17276362
Late reply, hope you or another well-versed guy can help me out.
I just checked at the bartender and saw no dead dogs, just all the pets I dismissed, imoutos and so on.
For some reason I can call them into my party and they join it no problem, as well as dismiss them, but I can't make NPCs join my party or summon sisters through reading their diaries.
It's like my party is full to everyone except my own pets.

This fucking sucks since I can't complete lucrative escort and "Before it's too late" quests.

Did I bug my character or something?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 17:57:19 2017 No.17286374 >>17286370 Pets waiting in town, on ranches, in shops, etc all count against your party size.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 17:58:57 2017 No.17286378 >>17286370 How much charisma do you have? Amount of pets you can have is capped, you start with 2 slots and gain another one on 15 CHA, then 20, 25... and until 75, where you'll have 15 slots.

Anonymous Thu Jul 6 18:00:58 2017 No.17286383
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>>17286374
>>17286378
Oh.
Fuck.
Sorry for being fucking stupid.
I thought letting them wait at the town was like some pit stop for them, while the party size counted for who accompanies you.
Seems like I should abandon a few companions I don't use.

Anonymous Thu Jul 6 18:03:02 2017 No.17286390

>>17286370
I did have something similar happen once. Everything under the bartender's list counts against your total, as does anyone under the list when you go to "investigate one of my allies" which is a function of the NPC called Informer, usually near a trainer. As other anon says, every NPC in your employ, except at the Doujou or Discarded pet ranch (Act 2 deed), counts against your total.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 18:04:04 2017 No.17286398 >>17286383 There's always the doujou if you're willing to pay 10k/pet

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 18:05:07 2017 No.17286403 >>17286383 also, if you can manage it, never abandon a pet. Gene engineer them onto the pets you like!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 18:12:36 2017 No.17286425 >>17286359 There's a new pot of fusion recipe that lets you directly convert items into money. It was added to the game specifically for such situations.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 18:23:14 2017 No.17286462 File: 172 KB, 469x401, how does this work.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how does scythe shoot bullet?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 18:25:17 2017 No.17286471 >>17286462 It's a God Arc of course

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 18:25:33 2017 No.17286473 >>17286462 how does 4-dimensional pocket work?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 18:26:48 2017 No.17286476 File: 23 KB, 800x610, old-two-handed-scythe-isolated-worn-rusted-agricultural-31579174.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17286462 Like this, except the handgrips are pistols.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 18:27:08 2017 No.17286480 I've played this game about 4 years ago I think in a casual manner, how much did it improve since late 2012? FAQ and the pastebins don't really provide much info besides for new guys and veterans.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 18:29:37 2017 No.17286490 >>17286480 I think it's improved a lot but like all opinions that's subjective. What you need to do is read the changelogs to see what has changed and or play the game and see for yourself if you think the current game is an improvement.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 18:38:07 2017 No.17286514 >>17286425 its supposedly much worse isnt it? I'm still pretty new to valuing items, I generally just pick up anything Great+ and sell it, unless it has important +skills I use

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 18:41:42 2017 No.17286529 File: 62 KB, 550x824, gun...dam.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17286462 It folds into a gunsword, along with vesda's wings and your boots

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 19:13:02 2017 No.17286674 File: 630 KB, 806x625, be a good goy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Thu Jul 6 19:13:03 2017 No.17286675

Should I be using production skills for cash? I keep thinking I'll need these materials for later (artifact fusion? Some new update I can't foresee?), but some of this stuff I'm not sure about. I have like 3000 garbage, should I turn it into waste art? Or is there some Ancient Trash Golem you can only summon with 10k garbage. Same question with all the materials. All I'm really sure of is not to spend sap of yggdrasil.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 19:20:13 2017 No.17286704 >>17286490 Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 19:21:17 2017 No.17286707 >>17286675 Nobody can tell the future, but aside from treasure machines, light pens, and (I think?) bioprinting nothing uses materials that isn't crafting. So go nuts, or be paranoid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 19:57:27 2017 No.17286836 >>17286707 I see, ok, time to go fuck in the trash

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 21:24:27 2017 No.17287148 File: 221 KB, 421x258, halp.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17285314 >net. "1" >netChat. "1" I think so

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 23:24:53 2017 No.17287375 File: 271 KB, 1280x720, rage.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What the FUCK man museum fires are a thing? What the FUCK

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 23:26:52 2017 No.17287379 File: 26 KB, 122x248, rused.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17287375 Just some chump messing with the chatserver

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 23:28:56 2017 No.17287383 File: 92 KB, 500x667, time_to_die.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17287379 What about the previous [News] that said my ranch was hit by a disease and lost 80% livestock.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 23:31:23 2017 No.17287389 >>17287383 Same ruseman, you'll note that he doesnt use the right rank display of (## -> 98) and instead just uses rank 98. You'd see a LOT more rage, probably from both JP/ENG, if it was a real thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 23:48:48 2017 No.17287445 Worth buying? It's only like 200k.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 23:49:18 2017 No.17287446 What are younger sisters useful for exactly? Why do people stock up on them and why are they valuable?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 23:49:50 2017 No.17287448 File: 145 KB, 539x246, gird.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17287445 An image would help.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 23:50:24 2017 No.17287451 File: 13 KB, 170x170, smug_brs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17287445 A fellow all-night binger

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 23:52:46 2017 No.17287458 >>17287445 >>17287448 Ｗｏｕｌｄ．

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 23:53:22 2017 No.17287461 >>17287451 Shh.

Anonymous Thu Jul 6 23:53:31 2017 No.17287463

>>17287448
It's not godawful, but you'll outgrow it pretty quickly if it's looking appealing right now.
The status protection is pretty good, but the lack of resists and mostly useless skill buffs leave it in eh territory.
If it's not too expensive for your standards I'd say go for it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 23:54:41 2017 No.17287465 >>17287463 It'd mostly be for my pets to fill their status holes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 6 23:55:37 2017 No.17287468 >>17287465 Even better then.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 00:05:58 2017 No.17287490 File: 554 KB, 801x624, 11.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] PC level 25 h-h-here I go!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 00:06:41 2017 No.17287493 >>17287490 >Rank 40 ded

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 00:09:36 2017 No.17287497 File: 456 KB, 803x625, 11.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17287493 They died in <5 turns. Whatever this Shining Wave skill is it's breaking the game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 00:12:19 2017 No.17287501 And I still made it to the treasure map spot before my lucky day ran out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 00:12:39 2017 No.17287503 File: 452 KB, 941x434, oh well.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] When you're reading books so fast you accidentally end up with an adopted sister who you promptly sell into slavery rather than take responsibility for them.

Anonymous Fri Jul 7 00:13:04 2017 No.17287508

>>17287497
shining wave is powerful when you get it, but it slow fucks you over in the long run if you rely on it.
Things start resisting it eventually and then you won't have the weapon skills to win since using shining wave doesn't train them.
Also the scaling on it isn't the best.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 00:13:22 2017 No.17287510 File: 421 KB, 803x625, 11.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17287501

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 00:16:49 2017 No.17287516 File: 34 KB, 263x263, put_em_up_nigger.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17287503

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 00:33:16 2017 No.17287549 >>17287503 >Not even taking responsibility as her older brother absolutely terrible

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 00:37:13 2017 No.17287558 What's a good pet to have running a shop? Right now my poor Golden Knight is stuck with it because she's the only one with Negotiation. I've been trying to find a way to gene engineer the skill onto one of my other pets, without any success.

Anonymous Fri Jul 7 00:42:13 2017 No.17287565

>Healer (Eris)Edit

Drink: Heals the greatest amount of HP among all the healing potions.
>Healer (Jure)Edit

Drink: Heals the most amount of HP.

So which one heals the most HP?

>>17287558
I'm using a Juere Swordsman because it was convenient from the slave master and decent charisma/negotiation. Spammed him with bronze and he's looking pretty good nowadays.

Anonymous Fri Jul 7 00:44:04 2017 No.17287568

>>17287558
Little Girls have the skill I think, and you can pick them up at the slave trader in derphy. Just fuse a few of them into your shop pet of choice.
Any pet with negotiation can be a good shopkeeper now, you just need to invest bronze coins into them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 00:47:34 2017 No.17287570 How does the Luck buff from lucky day, blessed food, or Bronze meals compare for treasure/casino/gachapon?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 00:49:45 2017 No.17287576 >>17287558 wing snail

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 00:55:19 2017 No.17287586 >>17286674 Wait, is ver 1.69.3 out already?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 01:03:13 2017 No.17287599 >>17287586 yes http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:25014

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 01:10:03 2017 No.17287608 Oh wow, got a statue of Ehekatl in a dream without paying attention. That's why i was overweight for seemingly no reason.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 01:42:05 2017 No.17287664 Does a plain whistle do anything? It's not on the wiki.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 01:51:13 2017 No.17287700 >>17287664 It wakes up people. Sometimes they want to kill you, which isn't nice when your pets are going at sanic speed and you can't react before the mincement. Ensemble/preaching don't take a slot in the inventory and don't anger people.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 01:53:47 2017 No.17287704 >>17287700 Didn't know that about preaching. Would've saved dozens are turds from being bashed because I wanted something. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 01:56:04 2017 No.17287708 Why is everyone at my house <Retard Feeling Home> always drunk?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 02:06:59 2017 No.17287747 >>17287704 Personally i still bash people when at >30 karma. The sound effect is just so satisfying. It sucks bashing monsters to death isn't an option.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 02:07:46 2017 No.17287750 File: 159 KB, 421x293, lick.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Apparently Black Cats can improve artifacts. The more you know.

Anonymous Fri Jul 7 02:52:19 2017 No.17287868
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Well, this is completely ridiculous.
Now that his speed is near my range, while i'm reading or preaching ( or ensembling once i get it though who cares ) its potential just won't go down.
Less than 890 per training now... Completely ridiculous.
He have pickpocket so his gold reserve just won't go down.
Shit, i think he'll be stat capped even before i start with herb farming...
I don't have any kind of data about the low INI exp bonus, but so far all skill superior to 150 have shown no slowdown. Of course this means nothing, the true test will be in the thousand range.

What are the skills using your pets ?
There's preaching for WIL, investing and emsemble for CHA, lockbreaking for DEX, reading session for LER... Is that all ?
For MAG, making it learn absorb magic through AP and the most difficult spell available through custom, along with summoning and walling some hostile mob in a town, would cap it relatively quickly.
That leaves STR, CON and PER.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 04:08:25 2017 No.17287983 >>17287510 That's a bummer. If the treasure map loot doesn't have a godly item in it, I'd consider it a miss. The main reason to dig for the treasure (on a lucky day) is to get a fantastic {item} with a ton of resists.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 04:14:32 2017 No.17287992 >>17287565 Odina<Eris<Jure Jure are the expensive potions that heal a thousand or more which you save for the really tough spots.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 04:22:24 2017 No.17288005 Whon dewell in the vanity got killed by a unseen hand and I got his stuff (am lvl 4). Question about Ragnarok how does the it brings an end effect work? Does it just trigger random?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 04:25:56 2017 No.17288008 >>17287983 Is it scaled by level?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 04:29:18 2017 No.17288015 >>17288008 I don't think so, but you'd have to dig into the code to be sure. I think it should be affected only by your luck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 04:29:25 2017 No.17288016 Do houseguests count as servants? They take up the slots when I'm trying to upgrade my house.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 04:30:54 2017 No.17288019 >>17288016 They don't count as servants, but servants, guests, pets and neutrals take up general guest space.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 04:32:38 2017 No.17288022 >>17288005 Chance to proc on hit. You should definitely use the sword, nothing bad will happen I promise

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 04:35:24 2017 No.17288031 File: 932 KB, 1280x760, 88.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What are those numbers behind level and gender? Fighting strength?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 04:36:06 2017 No.17288035 >>17288031 Age

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 04:38:07 2017 No.17288039 File: 122 KB, 800x600, 27178009_p3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17288035 Thanks.

Anonymous Fri Jul 7 04:43:14 2017 No.17288049

>>17288005
Holy shit you're lucky. You managed to get that sword before most people do. Most people use the sword to defeat the fire giant in Noyel. I'd head over there and release the fire giant. Make sure you have the sword on you to kill that giant. It's the only way to do any real damage to him. You'll get a shit ton of treasure maps and chests from killing that guy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 05:05:00 2017 No.17288092 File: 149 KB, 426x433, nice-02.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17288005 nice

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 05:23:03 2017 No.17288127 >>17287868 How did you get his training cost that low? My karata is still at 18k a session.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 05:35:30 2017 No.17288153 >>17288049 Don't forget he has a hidden small medal under him.

Anonymous Fri Jul 7 06:31:05 2017 No.17288248

>>17288127
I reset his INI in the oblivion palace.
First i used it as much as possible, i.e. 20 for stats and 50 for speed, then fed it heaps of rotten undead corpses to reduce stats to 1.
If you are courageous, you can also use 13 doomed hermes potions to reduce speed to 1, but no way i'm farming 26 hermes potion, just 13 for myself is already enough work.

Anyway, yeah, look at the INI. 158/50.
To put in perspective, the lowest possible ( like, lower can only be done by straight-up cheating and editing the values directly ) is 135/1.
I have basically made a Karata, a monster with metal and reselem bits, 90% resistant to physical and immune to all elements except pure magic, into something that grow faster than SNAIL TOURISTS.

And as you can see, it is as overpowered as it sound. It is INSANE.

Anonymous Fri Jul 7 06:43:55 2017 No.17288271

>>17288248
Fuck, I didn't know you could reset INI and now my Karata is already about 150~ in most stats.

Okay so quick rundown on how to make ultimate karata. Acquire hermes potions, curse them, aquire rotten undead corpses, ram them down his foodhole, give him cursed hermes potions and then reset INI?

I might just get myself a new astral pen and copy a new one. Where can I guaranteed get a new pen excluding the one you get from part 3 of the main quest?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 07:03:17 2017 No.17288338 >>17288271 dropped by Seraph, Dominion, and Arkhai at drop rates of 1/100, 1/200 and 1/400, respectively. or wish for one using "light pen", or "astral light pen"

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 07:11:24 2017 No.17288352 >>17288271 You get two from Ssil, also cursed isn't enough, you need to doom them, or curse them two times. One doomed hermes is -4speed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 07:21:33 2017 No.17288372 Celestial statue was created at the Pyramid in 21/9, 518 Today's date is 22/10, 518 So how do I get the statue?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 07:27:43 2017 No.17288394 >>17288372 The Pyramid does not reset like random dungeons do on every entry or towns do every once in a while, so it should still be there. It's the one the boss dropped.

Anonymous Fri Jul 7 07:36:34 2017 No.17288421
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>>17288338
>>17288352
Thanks. Looking forward to grinding out the small medals for the hermes pots.

Should I start over with a new karata by the way or can I just start lowering my current one. Pic related.

>>17288372
You can also get a new copy through the scientist in cyberdome if you want multiple statues.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 07:45:10 2017 No.17288450 >>17288394 Thanks >>17288421 I got a stardust from her the first time. How did I fuck up?

Anonymous Fri Jul 7 07:52:28 2017 No.17288479

>>17288450
Stardust is a new thing, it means you have a duplicate already so the new one is baleeted. It used to be that when you get an artifact of which no duplicates may exist it'd change into a random artifact of that type. So another <Rankis> would become a random <polearm>. But some arts are exceptions, you can get multiple cooler boxes for example. I thought you could get multiple of the same statue as well, this may be a recent change.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 07:54:59 2017 No.17288491 File: 26 KB, 411x358, sad_sad_sad_sad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What does "killed by thorns" mean? Gunfishes keep killing my pets. He killed four of my bells in one sitting.

Anonymous Fri Jul 7 07:58:05 2017 No.17288503

>>17288491
Some creatures and equipment return damage for every hit, like the shield of thorns. Your pets have low life, so whenever they hit an enemy and get a percentage of the damage in retaliation, they will die. Especially because it's cut (bleed) damage.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 07:58:35 2017 No.17288508 File: 91 KB, 410x410, 33758905_p13.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17288491 Some enemies have thorns and when you or your pets attack them in melee they get bleeding damage. Bells are prone to die from bleeding due to their low life stat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 08:00:48 2017 No.17288518 >>17288503 >>17288508 Thanks. What do I look this ability up under on the wiki if it's there so I know what to watch out for?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 08:03:08 2017 No.17288525 >>17287664 It wakes people and as long as you aren't in line of sight I believe there is no chance of getting them mad. Even in sight range it is rare they get mad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 08:06:11 2017 No.17288537 I pressed trick.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 08:08:19 2017 No.17288546 >>17288518 As far as I know there's no category or keyword on there that lets you find all the monsters that have it. You'll have to stumble across them. Chestnut giant has it, a number of others but not many.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 08:18:40 2017 No.17288573 >>17288546 >>17288525 danke

Anonymous Fri Jul 7 08:29:57 2017 No.17288614

>mob dropped an hermes potion
Holy s-
>one minute after roomlight goes out for half a second but not the computer thankfully
I never saved a game that fast. Or made a save backup that fast.

>>17288421
A speed INI that high would make it an enormous pain to gain AP.
If that doesn't bother you, go get a new one. If that does, use that one.
I don't know the state of your game, but if you have herb farm already, gaining back the stats is going to be QUICK.
QUICK I SAID.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 08:31:09 2017 No.17288622 >>17288537 Rest in RIP

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 08:33:02 2017 No.17288629 File: 612 KB, 697x394, ElonaC_2017-07-07_14-31-52.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17288614 Good thing I nuked her stats now though. Only thing I have to do now is give her rotten undead food and doomed pots right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 08:35:34 2017 No.17288636 >>17288629 Yes. If you're about to end act2, you can use the 3 years time-skip to fill your lesser mummy ranches. If not, there's the underwater palace. Good luck for the pots. May Kai, God of Grind, bless you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 09:09:06 2017 No.17288721 >>17288636 Well, how do I get someone who takes a turn for every 10 turns I take to get hungry fast? I don't want her to follow me around either because she might get experience from travelling.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 09:10:36 2017 No.17288730 File: 50 KB, 510x440, question-girl-58.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What are little sisters good for exactly? What's the big deal?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 09:12:13 2017 No.17288740 >>17288636 It never occured to me you could have multiple ranches. How does that work? Just whenever you get a useful breeder slap it in a ranch? Wouldn't the ranch pay for itself in jerky if you NPC them anyway?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 09:16:41 2017 No.17288762 File: 11 KB, 728x21, I'm sorry.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 09:20:24 2017 No.17288773 >>17288721 Fetter of Earth to reduce your speed to 10.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 09:28:15 2017 No.17288804 >>17288730 You trade them in to the scientist at the cyber some for copies of artifacts you have identified. Say you lost your cooler, you turn in some sisters and get another from her. Or get multiples of it and other artifacts that allow duplicates.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 09:42:33 2017 No.17288858 >>17288804 Sorry I meant younger sister* Are they just cute or something?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 09:45:33 2017 No.17288868 >>17288858 Oh. Yeah basically people think they are cute, and to some the younger sister is like a mascot for elona.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 09:47:15 2017 No.17288877 >>17288868 The mansion is cute I'll admit.

Anonymous Fri Jul 7 09:47:23 2017 No.17288880

>>17288858
if that's the one you start with its because she's the best starting pet, is a little girl in a weab game and the scaling is so absurdly broken for pets as is and they have so many abilities you never access if solo like pulling food or equips out of thin air daily that you are very heavily incencitized to use at least one pet, which may as well be her.
the main thing though is that shes a little girl and weabs are creepy *******

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 10:53:33 2017 No.17289109 >>17288880 No, they are talking about the green haired girls you get from diaries or that mansion in the snow in the middle of nowhere.

Anonymous Fri Jul 7 11:16:52 2017 No.17289191

ok so i'm a retard and I want to form a slime team. formless spawn seems pretty good so far, and I'm still not ranching off my slime wife. Is there ANY slime that has the Bound in Blood spaction, or s there a way to change the performaid bloodress into a slime?

tia

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 11:39:44 2017 No.17289256 >>17288880 Why have we been getting these low IQ normies in here? Is it runoff from the wiki or something?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 11:40:46 2017 No.17289261 >>17289256 Just ingore him.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 7 11:57:38 2017 No.17289316 New >>17289310

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