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This thread is for the discussion of untranslated Japanese visual novels.

What are you playing? What are you looking forward to? What have you finished? You know the drill.

>> No.17171354

Reminder ero is holding back eroge.

>> No.17171407

>>17171350

should have had a route

>> No.17171416

>>17171354
I think peoples' issue is less that there's ero, but that there's an excessive *amount* of ero in most of non-nukige games nowadays.

It takes away time and resources that could've been spent on the rest of the VN, so if you're reading it for reasons other than ero and aren't really in the mood for lots of ero, it's understandable why it could be disappointing having the routes suddenly turn into nukige.

>> No.17171428

>>17171416
Most people like ero in non-nukige games, therefore, your opinion is retarted. Also, adding ero doesn't take up as many resources as you think (source: game developer).

>it could be dissapointing having the routes suddenly turn into nukige
are you gay?

>> No.17171436

>>17171416
I'm half joking. In an ideal world, ero would only be in about 10% of the games, not 99,99%. It would feel more special in the ones that do have it -and- wouldn't fuck with games that don't need it. Win-Win. But it's never gonna happen since the market is dictated by low IQ subhumans like >>17171428

>> No.17171462

>>17171436
Games without ero aren't worth playing over reading a book or watching an anime. Ero is like the entire unique appeal. You might as well remove cute girls and their routes from VNs.

>> No.17171464

>>17171462
>You might as well remove cute girls
trapge becoming the new industry standard when?

>> No.17171518

>>17170047
I don't remember that exact scene, but maybe she had already grown suspicious and was looking for him? Besides, that's nothing compared to how good the entire VN is.

>> No.17171533

>>17171462
There are porn books and there are porn anime, you doofus.

>> No.17171572

>>17171462

You are being silly.

The appeal of a VN isn't the ero. The appeal is that it's as close to an anime as it can be without having the time-constraints or the necessary episodic formula of anime. A VN has TIME. It has TIME to do world-building. It has TIME to do infodumps if it wants to. It has TIME to invest into characters and build them up.
An anime doesn't have any of that. Most of them are 4 hours long and need to tell everything in that time. A lot of them don't even have endings, because "lol manga/ln adaption". And let's not even talk about the price.

Different mediums have different strengths. Which is why some adaptions into another medium just don't work well. Be it because less time, be it because the themes are just retarded in another medium or whatever. Take battles. In a book, LN or VN battles are more about the dialogue, setting and strategy perhaps. But if you adapt that to an anime, you get Fate/Zero essentially, where the studio added silly tracking shots so the battles get more "exciting".. even though they are 90% talking. Will always depend on the source work, but it's relatively normal for that to happen, if you adapt too closely.


VNs are a cross of anime and books. Just reading a book or watching an anime will result in a rather different experience.
So why all the ero? That's an interesting question actually. Obviously "because it sells", but there should be more to it, especially historically speaking. Nowadays it's most likely "because it's way easier than quality writing". Having ero is simply less risky, as long as you follow the modern ero rules. (which are the big issue, not the ero itself)

>> No.17171576

>>17171533
but they are not as good as porn visual novels

>> No.17171579

>>17171518
I'm enjoying it overall but that that scene really annoyed me. She had been tracking him all day (sometimes even close enough to understand bits of the conversation, which already struck me as weird that he wouldn't notice anything), then went to relax at the beach in the evening and it just happened to be where he told the perpetrators to meet him. I just re-read the scene and it was in fact a coincidence. They make a big deal out of how huge the city is and all that, so it's just off-putting.

>> No.17171580

>>17171572
this simply isn't true

>> No.17171613

Do we need this fruitless discussion every thread?

>> No.17171619

>>17171572
this is simply true

>> No.17171657

>>17171533
Anime is shit and has little context or buildup usually. Books or manga don't have the sound and personal aspect. It's not that it's ero, but that it has ero in addition to other things.

>>17171572
>The appeal is that it's as close to an anime as it can be without having the time-constraints or the necessary episodic formula of anime.
Nah. If you want that, read manga. For that matter, I consider anime, video games, and VNs different things(beyong just different mediums). VNs are just tied by having anime style art.

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I should stop while I still have time

>> No.17171710
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I'm three years late but I decided to read this before the fan disc drops later this month. I remember the anime was shit so I didn't even watched all of that. I'm liking this one so far. The art is cute, I like the countryside setting, the music is pretty sweet (digging the piano tracks), and the Flying Circus as a sport seems interesting. Can't say much about the characters yet since I just started reading it but the coach of the other school looks gay for the MC.

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>>17169412
>Tamaki is cute.
Which makes the truth about her cut even deeper than ever. If she's not appealing at all, nobody will be baited to get her events, and the backlash won't be as severe as it is now. Can't argue with that butt though.

>> No.17171721

>>17171710
>the coach of the other school looks gay for the MC
>looks

>> No.17171733

>>17171657

Manga is the same thing as anime. Short chapter serialization. Can (and WILL) get canceled at any time which results into a lot of bogus endings. If you want something close to anime without its limitations, Manga is really the last place to look.

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>>17171354
Then it would be just VNs.
The selling point of eroge is ero.
If you want a non-ero vn get a non-ero vn.

>> No.17171759

>>17171733
Stop following shit series.

>> No.17171834

>>17171350
二次元への愛、結構ではないか。
https://youtu.be/WDKHqIBnPfQ

>> No.17171961

>>17171759

If it'd be that easy. For the yuri genre, everything is getting axed, and even outside it happens A TON. Sure, for bad stuff as well, but also for quite good stuff.

It's because how manga work. Authors want to write them as long as they can, obviously. But at some point it's gonna be over. There are a few series that don't suffer from this, but that's about as common as VNs without major padding or Anime that aren't rushed and have an actual ending.

>> No.17172151

While we're at it, what are the kamige of manga? Is there a site like EGS for them that isn't infested with shounen shit like One Piece in the top 10?

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Wanted to read pic related. Why is there a 2.2GB and a 7GB? What's the difference? What should I get?

>> No.17172178

>>17172154
The bigger one obviously.

>> No.17172201

>>17172178
Difference tho? Bigger one is voiced? Link where I have to download it doesn't tell me. Screencaps of the game look the same.

>> No.17172231

>>17171572
Routes are probably the biggest thing that separates eroge from anime/manga.

>> No.17172277

>>17172231
I really like it when VNs use the route mechanism to build up the world even more by showing you the consequences to both sides of a decision, and the way characters act in mutually exclusively situations. I hate it when it actively undermines the consistency of the world via some parallel world bullshit, for example in Higurashi everyone does completely different things in every arc with no cause for the divergences. It's like the worlds share the infrastructure and the bodies, but the people inhabiting those bodies are different.

>>17171572
>The appeal of a VN isn't the ero.
A lot of VNs overdo the sex for obvious reasons, but I think small amounts like in F/SN are a good thing. It makes things more real.

>> No.17172295

>>17171572
>>The appeal of a VN isn't the ero
this
Why would anyone wamt to fap to an image slideshow presentation in 2017

>> No.17172304

>>17172295
>Why would anyone wamt to fap to an image slideshow presentation in 2017
Sounds to me like you're too young to have gone full circle

>> No.17172367

Eroge is a medium for story telling.
If done right people will like it, simple.
Sure you can argue anime does the animation better, video games have better gameplay or books have better writing.
In the end it just depends on the story you give.
You can have a great story that sure could've been great if it had gameplay or looked better if done through animation. In the end its just a story.

>> No.17172503

>>17172277
>with no cause for the divergences.
There's a pretty big reason explained within the games, you know, it's the whole purpouse of the story.

>> No.17172642 [DELETED] 

>>17172503
What reason? I admit I got sick of it and ditched it in arc 5 and just watched the anime to see the resolution. But my understanding was that the main actors are three:
1. A virus that makes people go bonkers
2. Takano doing stuff
3. Rika repeating the same period and being the only person aware of the loop
4. Timelines overwriting each other (?)

3. is the only agents of change, absent Rika each repeat should be the same. 4. is if anything a stabilizing factor, it increases convergence. An example for a big difference between timelines is that in one, Satoko's uncle gets murdered and doesn't influence the story, in another he survives and moves in with her and the route becomes all about that tragedy. What could cause that divergence? Rika is both offscreen and unmotivated for most of the game, so any changes she makes are through butterfly effect, which is as good as just saying "the world are inherently different because magic, deal with it". Plus the point of divergence is so far in the past that even if there were a good reason for it, by the point the player shows up they're basically different settings.

>> No.17172675

I don't suppose any of you has a copy of the web downloadable content for Salem no Majotachi named セイレムの魔女たち~True Story Infinity One~? I used to have it myself, but the CD I had it on got damaged, and all mirrors online have long ago died.

>> No.17172727

Anyone know where I could find the 2008 DMM version of 遺作? Tried nyaa, A-S, rutracker, google baidu searches but nothing.

>> No.17172732

>>17172727
It is an 遺作 after all

>> No.17172758

>>17172642
Is the concept of spoiler tagging completely foreign to you? I myself already played them ages ago but there can be plenty people of people who haven't.

>> No.17172772

>>17172503
What reason? I admit I got sick of it and ditched it in arc 5 and just watched the anime to see the resolution. But my understanding was that the main actors are three:

1. A virus that makes people go bonkers
2. Takano doing stuff
3. Rika repeating the same period and being the only person aware of the loop
4. Timelines overwriting each other (?)

3. is the only agents of change, absent Rika each repeat should be the same. 4. is if anything a stabilizing factor, it increases convergence. An example for a big difference between timelines is that in one, Satoko's uncle gets murdered and doesn't influence the story, in another he survives and moves in with her and the route becomes all about that tragedy. What could cause that divergence? Rika is both offscreen and unmotivated for most of the game, so any changes she makes are through butterfly effect, which is as good as just saying "the world are inherently different because magic, deal with it". Plus the point of divergence is so far in the past that even if there were a good reason for it, by the point the player shows up they're basically different settings.


>>17172758
Didn't consider it necessary for a 10+ year old game, but if others disagree then let's try again.

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>>17172772
>Didn't consider it necessary for a 10+ year old game
I think it's just common courtesy to use spoiler tags no matter the game as we're talking about story centric medium anyways, as there can be people who are more versed in old games but also those who've played new releases more without diving into old classics or even less known games first. Even if there's people who have played both old and new games there's always bound to be someone who hasn't yet put their hands on some certain title in either category.

>> No.17172808

>>17172772
I doubt you or anyone else here has read eroge for over 10 years, let alone in Japanese.

>> No.17172836

I love my (+18) and (+50hours) plotge but damn, need to mix it with a few nukiges. That's where all those shorter 2000-4000円 games come into play.

>> No.17172851
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So yeah I finished the TanteiSeven trial. I missed a sub mission and can't access it from a bug.

The story is basically the Bangou and his osanajimi Kasumi hanging out in a class room and apparently Kasumi is starting a club so she can hang out with him, and also feed him. A foreign guy called Soukai comes in and claims the club room as he is starting an air band club so Bangou and Kasumi have to gather enough students to make a club, however Soukai made a rule that if they match them they can have the club and Soukai has 4 members. They ask their old friends Reiji and Mariya as well, to join.
There's also a girl who's incredibly ugly that hates Kasumi but wants to help her with getting the club if she can get her to hook up with a teacher she has a crush on.
Kasumi also needs an advisor, so she gets a teacher to do so but she says to do some stuff.
This leads to them doing smaller tasks like meeting a news reporter, finding a small illegal drug going around school, finding out why cats are dying and going missing.
Eventually with them having 4 members and the teacher agreeing, they go back to the club where it turns out Soukai has 4 members and since he matches them they would get the cub except that Soukai got another member, so they can't get the club.,
The trial ends extending from one of the sub missions where a girl's parents ended up getting divorced, Kasumi thinks she's to blame as her father's action affected that and it just ends. Followed by a h-scence.

Bangou is your typical mc but has backbone acts kinda deredere, is a mountain man and has bro love.
Kasumi is a short girl with giant tits who loves food and loves feeding Bangou, get's drunk, she's also the class rep and makes people accidentally laugh often, she's tsundere sometimes too but still normal most of the time. She get's honry talking about food too.
Mariya is a girl who's timid and doesn't have friends she's bro con and wants to marry her brother. She's scared of Bagou and Mariya at first but opens up. The game seems to imply that she got raped and from that acts like a child
Reiji is Bangou's best friend and kinda stoic but kind. He has a problem where he can't control his emotions and asks Bangou his Mabuta for help he also plans to go to Germany to study to help his sister.
Soukai is 'that foreign non-japanese character' you know the one.
The side characters are okay but would've felt better if they had sprites or voices.

I have mixed feelings about the game it had a bunch of problems it presented itself as a nukige and plotge but it was a weird mix and didn't go so well. If it had more lewd scenes it wouldn't feel as weird.
The game is buggy, the gameplay is weird and you don't know what the correct choices are so you kinda have to guess and even then it's not done well. I've failed some and it turns out you were meant to, some feel almost impossible to fail and one choice gave you an immediate fail entirely. The system felt deep but it's essentially choice something and hope it works. The most interesting mechanics were used at the beggining and that's it.

The h-scence has no actual sex, but fellatio, ass-licking, tekokki and paizuri. It was kinda hot and the surprising added quite a bit to the story plot wise. However it was done by a different writer, and the game even let you know that. Bangou acts like a typical pervy and rapey eroge portagonist, Kasumi was scared and hated the entire thing until she fell for pleasure like most girl in h scenes do. Bangou keeps breaking the 4th wall and keep forcing himself on Kasumi however eventually letting her choose to leave him or continue to which she continues on the condition he kisses her. To which he denies extremely hardly. It was shocking to say the least, his kiss eventually ended up being him realasing drool into her mouth to which she accepts. This scene was very strange for Bangou he acted out of character, Kasumi even notes this, however it was hot.

TLDR;
Would I recommend it? No not really.
It feels like a mess.
On it's own feels like a decent stand alone story, with them trying to make a club and solve mysteries, maybe they can improve. It really feels like a nukige story with no sex but has some intersting ideas and characters and maybe could be decent in the future.
They shoud've made it a nukige, and I don't really like nukige.

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>>17172851
Sorry for any grammatical errors, I really need to proof read in the future.

Pic related is the other author and when Bangou acts rapey during the h-scene.

>> No.17172957

>>17172758
>>17172806
I don't know if it's just a specific couple retards or the thread as a whole, but I've been noticing untagged spoilers all over the place lately. I remember really noticing a couple threads ago where people were posting the what I expected-what I got pictures (surprisingly not the pictures themselves, just the posts in the thread in general). Even if the game is old or shitty or whatever I really don't see the trouble of pressing ctrl S.

>> No.17173017

>>17172851
>Bangou acts like a typical pervy and rapey eroge portagonist, Kasumi was scared and hated the entire thing until she fell for pleasure like most girl in h scenes do. Bangou keeps breaking the 4th wall and keep forcing himself on Kasumi however eventually letting her choose to leave him or continue to which she continues on the condition he kisses her. To which he denies extremely hardly. It was shocking to say the least, his kiss eventually ended up being him realasing drool into her mouth to which she accepts.
Well that's unappealing. I'll still keep an eye on it on EGS/2ch once it's released but I have a feeling it's another backlog month for me.

>> No.17173024 [DELETED] 

i didnt know where to ask this i guess this is a good place
how would you write the name Tom Guycot in katakana

is it トムガイコット

>> No.17173086

Well miagete goran is pretty great so far, just started Hikari's route. It's a pretty comfy game, it kind of reminds me of the anime "Aria" if anyone has ever seen it, in terms of atmosphere. Both really make you feel a sort of sense of nostalgia. Originally i was thinking about going with Orihime or Saya's routes first, but the more I played the game the more Hikari grew on me.

>> No.17173139

>>17173017
It was just that scene and I think it was just for the trial, maybe it was a joke too as the picture says it's another writer and Kasumi herself says he's not acting normal.
He's normally defensive and protective of her, like carrying her aroud when she's drunk or late to school.
It's kinda adorable.

>> No.17173150

>>17173086
Apparently Saya is best girl and if you don't pick her you have shit taste and we'll all look down on you.

>> No.17173152

>>17171710
it's ok until the last meet, where the half decent strat and tech from the first one go all out of the windows for straight up BS. Also other girl's routes feel like fillers.

>> No.17173264

Is going back in time and showing another perspective of events the cheapest yet most effective device in writing?

>Wow this character sure is mean to this other character for no reason.
>Wow this character sure is acting weird weird around this thing.
>Flashback or retelling of events.
>character acts mean because the other broke a promise and they were best friends as kids
>character acts strange because of psychological issue formed when little involving that thing and the death of a loved one
>Wow this is great story telling.

Meanwhile having it told in chronological order wouldn't be nearly as effective. You can make almost any story decent with this.

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>>17171721
>wakes you up in the middle of the night
I'm sorry. You're right for the implications. Just saw this fucker have a match with Misaki.

>>17173152
The FC parts actually make me pretty hype what with the music and the narration of what they're doing. I'll take your comment when I get to that part, I suppose. And what do you mean by other girls? You mean all four of them? I did see the walkthrough mention something about a final route.

>> No.17173288

>>17173264
nier 1 . jpg

>> No.17173323

>>17173264
Are you talking about Higurashi?
I normally hate that sort of thing but I liked the characters in Higurashi so it didn't bother me as much.

>> No.17173340

>>17173288
>>17173323
I mean many vns do this:
Hatsuyuki sakura, sakura no uta and so on.
It's a cheap yet effective to hide information from the reader that would've been common knowledge if you told the story chronologically.

>> No.17173352

>>17173340
Also I don't mean physical time travel ib case it wasn't obvious, but retelling the story truthfully, wholefully or from another perspective.

>> No.17173373

>>17173340
>>17173352
But how do you tell the story chronologically if you want to show a character's backstory? It kinda has to be a flashback since the game is usually 90% in the MC's perspective.

>> No.17173413

>>17173373
I mean its it's cheap and effective.

If you want,
You show it before the story starts.
Like a girl and guy meeting and growing up together and then making a promise that the guy didn't keep.
Then the story starts with the reader knowing that the guy didn't keep the promise and the girl avoids him.
In a way it works plus you can do something like the tricking the reader into thinking it's because of the promise she doesn't talk to him but it could be that she was scared he didn't like her back and that's why he broke the promise, or put something small like the guy saying that he likes quiet girls in a round about fashion and put it in a way the reader doesn't pick and treat the promise as red herring.

>> No.17173507

>>17173264
It's practically a rule of fiction that you don't start a story at the very beginning of the relevant events. So it's only "cheap and effective" in the sense that it's a basic tool of storytelling. It's like saying a conflict->resolution pattern is cheap and effective: a story isn't automatically good because it has it but it's almost certainly going to be worse without so it's nearly mandatory.

>> No.17173518

>>17173507
Although I meant to add that flashbacks are often the clumsier way to do this, compared to other methods of communicating information about the past. But with eroge exposition is limited so it's no surprise that flashbacks are commonly used.

>> No.17173703

>>17171354
This. The west is actually improving visual novels for the long term.

>> No.17173712 [DELETED] 

>>17171572
Exactly, just read h-manga is you want porn.

>> No.17173719 [DELETED] 

Exactly, just read h-manga if you want porn.

>> No.17173724

>>17171572
Exactly, just read h-manga if you want porn.

>> No.17173802

I swear I'm not reading VNs for porn, mom.

>> No.17173817

I don't understand this logic. Removing the ero won't make a game better. The all ages of nekopara isn't any better than the 18+ version. I know because I've played both and compared. In fact, in my opinion it was basically the same game with one of them missing a bit of content.

>> No.17173875

>>17173817
The only times I've thought removing ero would make it actually "better" is when it's something like out-of-character rapey, personalities doing a 180, etc. I am one of the people that doesn't care for the ero in VNs, but my thing is just that the usual vanilla stuff doesn't do anything for me so I have to stick with fetish nukige. I've read a few things that were non-nukige but I could also fap to, but they're pretty rare and certainly not the moege/pure love genre. Anyway I just ctrl through them most of the time unless I have some reason to suspect there's a possibility of character development or something (basically never happens, but still).
The only argument I can understand is when I see people say that in a moege or something they get to the route of the girl and it's just nonstop h-scenes when they could be writing cute dating stuff.

>> No.17173880

>>17173817
At this point it's like a meme.

>> No.17173885

>>17173817
>in fact
>in my opinion
Which one is it? Fact or opinion?

>> No.17173905

>>17173724
H is the cancer killing h-manga

>> No.17173910

>>17173817
That's because Nekopara is a garbage game that is carried by the H-scenes.

>> No.17173924

>>17172201
The bigger one is animated, I think. Just pick what you want, the animation is shit.

>> No.17174098

>>17173817
Just look at utawarerumono. Its becoming a classic thanks to ditching useless 18+. It would be a 6 or 7 out of 10 if it included it. Hope more decide to go this route in the future. That's why there is Nukige if you want faps.

>> No.17174122

https://vndb.org/v20976
anyone have this? it supposedly really good but unfinished
all torrents for TECH GIAN 2010年10月号付録DVD (mdf+mds+rr).rar are dead

>> No.17174126

>>17174098
Except Utawarerumono wouldn't become popular if it didn't have ero in the first place. How many all-ages VN became popular? You could probably count them on both hands.

Ero is a tool used by devs to attract buyers. You think shit like Nekopara would be popular if it didn't have ero?

>> No.17174202

>>17174098
>Becoming a classic

Uhh I played the original with ero and wasn't it essentially already a classic before they got rid of ero?

>> No.17174205

/jp/ I'm sad as fuck a series I used to like got EOP's to all hell.

What's a good VN that helps you get over sadness of having something you like consumed by animals?

>> No.17174241

>>17174205
On one hand I understand the smug feeling of something you like only belonging to a small secret club, I feel like the best course of action is to not give a shit what EOPs do.

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>>17173086
>>17173152

saya and hikari are both miracles, let's not fight

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>>17173086
Hikari and Saya are great but the others felt like they were added just to pad the game out.

Sensei is best girl.

>> No.17174306

>>17174270

The other two are written by not Konno and considering Hikari and Saya's routes tie up every plot thread imaginable it's pretty obvious they were just there to fulfill a quota. Too bad.

Sensei is indeed great, how's her FD route?

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>>17174306
Her route has do with the past you share with Hikari and Saya as well as also going over why she became who she is after the school got demolished.

I found it pretty decent, it felt like something that could have and should have been added in the main game. Definitely my second favorite character next to Saya.

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>>17172675
In an amazing turn of events, I found a backup of the thing. Since I am so damn happy I didn't lose another thing to the sands of time, I am now sharing this with you guys.

https://mega.nz/#F!nxYkHTCS!j3Gw5nWrRY45UFcEaUXL4w

It is an ok game, had nice, but small soundtrack. It takes several liberties about the time period, and some things are downright inaccurate, and people call you a nigger. Seriously. Still, it was one of the first eroge I ever played, and thus remember it fondly.

>> No.17174815

>>17173286
You should treat it more as a chara or moege since most of the time if it's not about FC, it's interaction with the girls. So don't mind the story too much.

>> No.17174816

>>17174098
>it wasn't popular before all ages console versions
Wow. Also ignore the popular anime.

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>some H-scenes in the extra menu are locked behind other girls' H-scenes
Who thought this was a good idea? Isn't the whole point of bonus scenes so you can pick the girls you like and just do them?

>> No.17174982

Is there an eroge or nukige where you play as a ikemen and have sex with tons of cute girls who are ridiculously attrated to you.

>> No.17174988

>>17174982
Almost any recent nukig- I mean ""moege""

>> No.17174991

>>17174988
Those games go out of their way to say how perfectly avergae the MC looks.
Actually physical attraction from females is so weird.

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>>17174982
サクラノ豚

>> No.17174997

>>17174982
妹のおかげでモテすぎてヤバい。

>> No.17175002

>>17171428
>Also, adding ero doesn't take up as many resources as you think (source: game developer).
Except for ero you nees like 10-12 cg per heroine and in total it's close to 50% of whole cg set.

>> No.17175017

>>17174982
Classy Cranberry's
I like playing as an ikemen instead of some average faceless joe because I feel like if I'm going to escape reality I might as well go all the way, but even this was a little much for me.

>> No.17175019

>>17174988
No I mean nukige i would've said other wise.
>>17174995
Please tell me you're joking.
I mean i get that he's attractive but girls don't really fall like crazy for him or treat him as that attrative other than a few instances.

>> No.17175023

>>17174997
>>17175017
Okay I'll take a look.
I mainly mean like the hottest guy in school who can girls ask hin out instead sort of deal. I think you know what I mean.

>> No.17175054

>>17175023
*hottest guy in school, where girls ask him out instead, sort of deal.

I messed up and tried to write 'can ask anybody to go out with him' with it.

>> No.17175064

>>17175019
Every single heroine finds him hot and wants to fuck him, even the young lolis. He also had massive hordes of female stalkers.

>> No.17175068

>>17175064
Yes and he doesn't fuck them or go out with them.
I want a game like that.
Literal manslut or playboy type of deal that's not a rapist.

>> No.17175072

>>17175068
Kakyuusei / Doukyuusei

>> No.17175079

Man, that feeling when you finish a good/sad VN and want to read something else but feel kind of empty inside. I know that wears off soon enough but it's still hard to get over.

>> No.17175100

>>17175079
Savor it, I wish I still got it as often as I used to

>> No.17175110

>>17175079
I just feel happy I'm finally done with a game because they're so long and can start something new and shiny from my backlog.

>> No.17175117

>>17172295
voices

>> No.17175135

>>17174832

If you mean the second game, there's a good reason for that. You have to play the main-game anyway though, so that may not be what you mean.

>> No.17175156

>>17175135
No I mean the third game, you have to go something like Mutsuki -> Ushio 1 -> Fuhito and read all the other scenes to get Ushio 2. I just want to read Ushio's scenes I don't care about these other girls.

>> No.17175188

>>17175156

Then ctrl. Your best friend in eroge.

>> No.17175192

>>17175188
No, that's heresy. The reason they're in this order is because they reference each other, you won't understand what they're talking about.

>> No.17175251

So it seems Iam the only one who liked ChronoBox here. The writing is bad, the pacing is weird too and it's basically a nukige with H scene after another. But the huge cast is covering up for this, which made reading the H scene fun. All the girls have a uniqe and fun personality while also having some kind of twist to them you can't see until you reach the girl chapter.

The game system is also interesting. You can't choose choices and get into the route you want. Explaining how the game works is kinda of spoiler, but you won't know on which girl route you are on the whole game. So you can look forward on which girl you are going for next.

The game is also the closest you can get for a denpa game. A really fucked up things keep happening while you don't why, the mystery and mind screw factors are strong in this one.

I forgot but I really love the game's art, he is the same artist of Dunimas15 and Disorder6, both are grease VN on consoles.

>> No.17175262

>>17175251
It's a nice experimental game, but another case of too much porn to the point of killing the pacing and making the game much worse than it could be. Ero holding back eroge etc etc
Hope their next game isn't as bad in that department.

>> No.17175272 [DELETED] 

>>17174241
Fuck you man, we used to have great threads of this series with small communities/people. Now it's overrun by retards, shitposters and derailers. Having a discussion in that kind of environment is like talking while a bunch of monkeys are throwing shit around in the room. I'll never forgive them for destroying what used to be,

Looking for a VN to get over this feeling and to forget this series for good

>> No.17175277

>>17175192

It's supposedly ero scenes though? In part 2 you shouldn't do it and a scene is locked, because it would spoil the main-plot, and skipping the main-plot makes no sense. But if that's over and done with and it's just extra porn?

Mind you, I'm just going by what that anon wrote.
>some H-scenes in the extra menu are locked behind other girls' H-scenes

>> No.17175375

>>17171579
I'm interested to see what you'll think of the end. I personally loved it.

>> No.17175405

>>17175117
It's annoying, high pitched, loud, and it sounds like she's in pain and my ears are actually in pain. Thank god for the ctrl button.

>> No.17175545

>>17174122
This looks interesting unfortunately tech gian stuff uploads have always been short-lived

>> No.17175639

>>17172732
Heh. Well I've been looking around and I'm pretty sure it hasn't been uploaded anywhere, but if anyone has Perfect Dark set up and doesn't mind checking if it's there that'd be nice.

>> No.17175811

>>17175405
>it sounds like she's in pain
If only. The instances where they actually sound like they're in pain are extremely few, even during actual torture. They're usually just doing the same nondescript ambulance impression that the animemangaVN industry has been brainwashed to consider screaming/moaning/both.

>> No.17175850

>>17175811

Yeah, it's kinda weird. Senran Banka's sword loli actually sounded like she was tortured in my opinion, but I doubt that was intentional and I'm not sure if others would agree with that. And good moaning is actually surprisingly rare. But at least I don't mind the average stuff too much, unlike the blowjob sounds which are just.. no. Or the other sfx some games use at times. At least most of the time you can turn the latter off. Though it makes me feel they know how stupid it sounds and people will want to turn that shit specifically off, so why the fuck are they even using it?

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Sorry if さすがニューファグbut I really would like to play some Untranslated VNs but I'm running arch and it seems to be a bitch. (specifically I want to play YnS) Are there any guides you guys have that can point me to good untranslated novels that run on linux?

>> No.17175886

>>17175865
No one in Japan uses that junk OS nor cares about it. You'll have to get Windows if you are in any capacity interested in getting into eroge.

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>>17175865

>> No.17175898

>>17175865
Just use a VM

>> No.17175910

>>17175850
There are some occasions where pain actually sounds like pain. Blades Heart, Monsters Raid, certain parts of the Venus Blood series and Gears of Dragoon, and some of Cyclet's titles (according to an anon here) come to mind.

As for good moaning, it's extremely rare. The industry seems to have settled on this disgustingly fake imitation, because "we know it's fake, the audience knows it's fake, but we'll still do it because That's How Things Are Done™".

>> No.17176066 [DELETED] 

>>17175865
Use wine if you're retarded or just use a VM.

>> No.17176183

What are some red flags for eroge? Mine would have to be:
Has more than two writers
Has more than two artists (excluding SD)
Has been delayed even once
Main character with no personality or agency in the story
More than 3-4 H-scenes per heroine route outside of nukige
H-scenes that include more than one heroine at a time outside of nukige

>> No.17176301

>>17171428
>>17175002
It also takes up a lot of space in the route and if they're aiming for specific route lengths rather than the H just being a bonus, then relationship/character development just gets stifled.

>> No.17176319

>>17176183
>More than 3-4 H-scenes per heroine route outside of nukige
There usually isn't a quick way to tell this without spoiling yourself by looking at CG sets though is there?

>> No.17176329

>>17176319
Well sometimes you can go by the gallery section on the official sites. Don't know if that still counts as spoiling. But usually if they post 2-3 CGs for one heroine, you can definitely expect there to be 5-6 scenes total in a route, or even more.

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*深呼吸する*
。。。
「キターーーー!!!」

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>>17176301

VNs suffer from padding. I don't think I've ever really seen a VN where the ero was actually taking up space that could've been used better. Usually there are many other things that could've been cut just as much, if not even better.

The problem is more the pacing. Nobody needs 5 h-scenes with 10 minute breaks between them. Which is why I said once before, I want games to have as many scenes in a route as are making sense and them just to shove the rest into the extra-menu. That stuff can still be taking place during the route's timeline, as pretty much no game shows great detail about every single day and every single hour during them.

And not even CG are an issue, in moege at least. Most of the time there's nothing to make CG for anyway. In my opinion CG are used for events, where the combination of background + sprite does not allow to satisfactorily display what's happening. Now guess how many CG in games don't even do that? Have pic related as an example. Essentially no background, just the girl smiling. Why is that not a sprite? It'd be literally the exact same thing. Of course making such CG is easy, doesn't consume much time and can be used in the broadest story context possible, which is why they are made. Still useless as shit. And you get that on top of 50 or so ero CG, so it's not like the game this is from has no ero and had to fill things in some way.

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>>17176361
*再深呼吸*
。。。
「キターーーー!!!」

>> No.17176397

I dislike how in some games, every heroine needs to have the same amount of h-scenes. Sometimes it really feels like they're just shoving in an extra scene where it really doesn't fit just to hit a quota.

>> No.17176412

While i might skip sex scenes I feel that it adds to the relationship plus I like lewd.

>> No.17176419

>>17176183
I disagree with pretty much all of these.

>> No.17176425

>>17176419
That's fine. Not everyone has standards. Honestly I wish I had none so I could enjoy every game that comes out.

>> No.17176444

>>17176419
You WANT games with multiple writers? Though other than that and the MC thing his points are indeed pretty retarded. This
>H-scenes that include more than one heroine at a time
makes it very clear he is a dumb junai moebuta.

>> No.17176455

All games should start off with just one big h-scene that includes all male and female characters to get it out of their and the reader's systems, then the story would just flow regularly.

>> No.17176479

>>17176444
I would normally agree with the mc thing however the writting and the other characters can make up for it.
As for multiple writers I would argue that there are decent games with multiple writers take Sakura no Uta for example.

>> No.17176481

>>17176444
>H-scenes that include more than one heroine at a time
Well if it's a game where you get attached to the girls, having them do a threesome, foursome, with girls, guys, whatever, makes me lose respect for them. How can you get emotionally invested a whore? That's why those scenes fit better in nukige. I'm not a junai moebuta because I don't care if the heroine has had relationships in the past as long as she's not a shameless whore in relationship with the MC.

>> No.17176488

>>17176425
I do kinda have standards too but I tend not to be too picky that said my conditions can change.

>> No.17176503

>>17174122
It was in Tech Gian 2011/10, not 2010/10, but that doesn't improve the situation because that one has never been uploaded anywhere.

>>17172727
Is there a difference between the DMM version and the 1999 "Renewal" version? Is there a difference between the original Windows version and the renewal version for that matter?

>> No.17176506

>>17176481
I remember in chuunibyou love equation Supika has small breasts and really wants the mc to be happy and be a good gf.
So she convinces a girl with large breasts to give him a paizuri I mean i thought it was like other lolis being self conscious but didn't expect that at all.
She really loved him and was scarree she wasnt good enough.

>> No.17176509

>>17176506
*scared

>> No.17176521

>>17176479
I agree with on the first point, but sometimes I find it's a let-down. You have all these great characters but MC is a cardboard cutout that can't interact properly with any of them. It's not a dealbreaker, like most of the things I listed can be dealt with but can possible bring down the game.

>>17176506
Then it's pretty much the heroine getting cucked. Like I said fine in a nukige for a quick fap but that situation is bad if you are supposed to be invested in the characters and relationship. Imagine if MC's dick wasn't good enough to satisfy the heroine and he said, you can sleep with this guy who has a huge dick but I still love you anyway. Either way it cheapens everything.

>> No.17176535

>>17176503
>>17174122
It's quite depressing to think many potential hidden gems are lost like that and Japan doesn't care about preserving those somewhere

>> No.17176557

>>17176521
I know what you mean but in her route supika was so incredibly self conscious about her body constantly seeing herself as unsatisfying to the mc.
That scene reallly showed how much it really affected her, compared to a girl that just wishes she had bigger breasts.
You also have the option of refusing however regardless Supika learns that mc would love her regardless and she comes to understand that.

I'm not saying it isn't cucking but is an interesting use of 3p for character development compared to fucking random girls due to sexual desires.

>> No.17176594

>>17175068
The Nanpa Nakadashi Banzai series or whatever it's called.

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>>17176557
We all know the correct answer to girls being self conscious of their breast size.

>> No.17176629

>>17176608
The mc the game actually ended up saying he likes her breasts because it's hers.

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>>17176629
Yeah, the first game however plays it straight with Aya because they're already lovers at the point when it pops up.

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>>17176638

>> No.17176751

>>17176503
>Is there a difference between the DMM version and the 1999 "Renewal" version? Is there a difference between the original Windows version and the renewal version for that matter?
maybe i missed something but looks like all versions are the same, the only thing new for the DMM version seems to be DRM

>>17176535
nothing stopping anyone else from doing so, been wondering about starting some kind of archive project myself but i'm a lazy piece of shit so my collection is private for now

>> No.17177064

>>17172727
>>17176751
Well, I've looked on PD and there's nothing at all for Isaku's game, just the anime. There's one on Share that has 080229 in its filename. It's probably the DMM version but I'm not confident it will download. If you're okay with the renewal version there's a link on AS that works. I'd post the Share key but the shit antispam won't let me. If you want that go to sharedb.info and put 6104126a6b0de1b33e2fc74ccff99f4963295ab7 in the hash field.

>> No.17177232

>>17176608
>>17176638
Don't these two have pretty average sizes for japanese girls? Although, I've never seen a real japanese girl naked.

>> No.17177361

>Finish a girl's route
>Do another girl's route
>Feel bad when you see the girl fron the previous route.

I still don't know how you guys get over this and don't like harem ends.
You essentially are doing harem routes in a sense by romancing multiple girls.

>> No.17177375

>>17177361
Because it's a fictional game and the previous route never happened for them. How do you get over thousands of other people seeing "your girlfriend" naked and fucking her daily? Yeah.

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>>17177361
i don't care about girls, i read eroge for memes

>> No.17177423

Anyone got crack for Aokana?

>> No.17177468

>>17177361

If you feel bad, don't play another route. For me a moege succeeded if I feel satisfied after one route.
And if it's not a simple moege, not everything going your way is normal. If there's a true heroine then there's a true heroine.


As for harem, why the fuck would I want all those crappy girls around? In most cases there's a favorite. She's enough. So, say my favorite girl is not the true heroine, having a harem ending isn't better. Pulltop Latte's first game actually is a kinda nice example of this. The game is not about harem, but about threesomes. The main girl in that, who is part of all routes, was so boring that she was never a good addition to any of the routes. If you add even more girls, it gets even more likely this would happen. So even though the game had a few rather likeable girls, the whole thing wasn't too enjoyable.

>> No.17177485

>>17176183
>More than 3-4 H-scenes per heroine route outside of nukige
Isn't this pretty much norm nowadays. We're not in 00's where 2 h-scenes per heroine were common occurence.

>> No.17177545

>>17177361
Because I don't want a girl with so little self respect that she'd be fine with her boyfriend fucking other girls, that's pathetic. Even if they're all supposedly bisexual and love each other it just doesn't appeal to me.

I also don't get emotionally invested in moeblob #52342 enough that I feel guilty for doing other routes. I don't see how anyone couldn't be desensitized if they've played over like 10 moege. There's been times when I've liked a heroine so much that other girls felt like a waste of time, but I don't know if that would be called guilt. (obviously for moege I'd just do the girl I liked, but for anything else I read all the routes.) Although I think I might end up feeling bad in games that purposely guilt you like Koichoco and Tsujidou-san no Jun'ai Road. Haven't read them myself, I just remember people posting about that stuff in them.

>> No.17177551

>>17177545
>that purposely guilt you like Koichoco and Tsujidou-san no Jun'ai Road
I really disliked the main heroine in both works, so it ended up working damn fine.

>> No.17177565

>>17177361
All routes happen so she's happy somewhere.

>> No.17177918

How often do you guys actually fap to the h-scenes in a VN? I really feel bad whenever I don't masturbate to a h-scene in a VN, especially if it's a moege where the heroine and her route were really great. Honestly, though, I find it extremely hard to masturbate to h-scenes in most moege or plotge at least.

It kind of makes me feel bad when a game, right after the protag and the girl start to get together, goes full on spamming h-scenes one after the other. I feel like I'm missing out on the full enjoyment of the game if I'm not masturbating to every h-scene, but at the same time doing that is really hard for me to do and would take me forever to get through games if I did it. I've actually dropped several moege because of this feeling that I couldn't fully enjoy it because I wasn't masturbating to the h-scenes.

>> No.17177939

>>17177918
Never pretty much. Only very certain art styles and ero scenes are titillating to me. Vanilla doesn't do it.

>> No.17177977

>>17177918
The only thing that prevents me most of the time is that I need to be interested in both the character and the situation, and for the execution to be good. It's very rare that all of those will come together. Besides, in moege or plotge, I find that most h-scenes are more about getting to know the characters than for fapping purposes.

>>17177939
>Vanilla doesn't do it.
Also this.

>> No.17177981

>>17177918
I can't get off to the H-scenes because they are devoid of passion and pretty tasteless in most games. I mean if it's a heroine I really like it seems like bad writing if she's getting railed like in a H-doujin. I'd rather just have more icha icha sweet moments instead.

>> No.17177988

>>17177918
Very rarely. Nukige exist for this reason. Half of the time in non-nukige I would rather the ero just not be there, as I essentially just use it to see best girl happy at getting the D. Confessions and ichaicha also do the trick for that, so ero in non-nukige tend to not matter at all for me.

>> No.17177989

>>17177918
We primarily read all-ages here with the occasional nukige if we're in the mood.

>> No.17178019

>>17177918
Never. I was always read the first sex scene but pretty much skip any after that unless its a character I really liked(which doesnt happen nearly as often).

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>>17177918
Very seldom. The problem with vanilla is that it's just well, vanilla that goes through roughly the same hoops every single time. Harem usually doesn't do it for me either as it's just girls taking turns to service the protagonist, instead of pleasuring each other as well. I'm not saying they should add notably darker sexual content, just that H-scenes seem to lack the actual erotic part and the feeling that both partners are really indulging in their carnal desires.

One notable good exception I found was Orietta's last H-scene in MagiCha. Not really a spoiler, but tagged just in case people want to experience the naughty first hand. What she does is she secretly purchases hardcore porn videos behind the protagonist's back so she could learn to have better sex with him. The protagonist learn about this and after pondering they decide to watch them together, she gets really horny while watching and starts masturbating unconsciously. Next they'll proceed to have rough sex with her coming multiple times while crying out REALLY loud.. Her VA in that scene was 10/10 to the point it wouldn't be surprising if they opted to draw her with fucking ahegao (they didn't). I think a "safe" way to make vanilla sex scenes much better would be if the VAs actually did it like they meaned it akin to more hardcore works, without actually adding hardcore sexual content.

To give a more concrete non-eroge example, I think there was this one ShindoL doujin with a handicapped girl which was completely vanilla relationships wise, but the girl was going absolutely crazy while having sex. Stuff like that would be welcome.

>>17177989
>We primarily read all-ages here
Surely you jest. Unless you're talking about console VNs even most plotge are eroge.

>> No.17178045

Iam still reading Chronobox, this game is the sleeper hit for this year for me. I have been reading it non stop for two days now, and I don't really want it to end. This game is too engaging because it's one twist and one mystery after another. Iam not sure if I can call this a nukige because sex is like a theme in this, the girls get more crazier with every past scene which makes reading these scenes really enjoyable, they are really hot too. Iam past the half point now, all I wish for is that they won't fuck up the true ending. I really hate it when the build up is good but they fuck up the ending with a deus ex machina. If The the true ending is good this game will enter my favorite list.

Also I really regret watching the op too much, it's pretty spoiler heavy. It's the best going into this knowing absolutely nothing.

>> No.17178073

>>17175251
>>17178045
Since you keep writing it like that: "Iam" is not correct English. It's either "I am" or "I'm".

>> No.17178089

>>17178073
english is shit

>> No.17178099

>>17178073
Thanks for the correction anon, English isn't my first language. After re reading my posts I felt like I sounded like a robot too. Well, I hope my point is getting through though.

>> No.17178104

>>17178045
Sounds interesting. Im in the mood for a mystery thriller with some denpa thrown in.
How often are there choices in this game? Am I going to miss anything if I skip the h scenes? Are there bad endings?

>> No.17178113

>>17177981
>devoid of passion
It's complicated. I'd say the problem is that there's too much passion, but it's misguided, aimed more at making formulaic scenes and following the 王道 than making them erotic, resulting in them being completely implausible and unfappable. Both moege and nukige, vanilla or not, tend to have that problem, but in different ways.

>> No.17178137

>>17178104
There are no choices in this game. It's a linear story with one girl chapter after another. You won't even know on which girl chapter you are on until you get the H scene. You can't skip the H scence because the game is 90% sex. They are not too long, but if you are the type who fap to each scene then don't play this until you are really comfortable with your time and place.

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>>17178113

Erotic is taste anyway. For example I like it if the girls actually have.. fun. You wouldn't believe how rare that is in eroge though. Japan loves the "sex can't be fun for girls" trope.
Senren Banka for example had Mako constantly apologize for being "lewd". I mean, what the fuck? She wasn't even particularly weird or lewd. But that's one fetish that exists I suppose. And on the other hand, there are a couple of games that don't do this kind of stuff, so it's not like it's always the case. Pic related had quite a bit of fun. I feel the CG also were relatively good in showing that.

>> No.17178168

>>17178138
>Japan loves the "sex can't be fun for girls" trope.
Exactly, Japan's incredible love for tropes is part of it. Like turning lewd girls into mewling, submissive moeblobs because that's how our grorious ancestors said it should be done.
>You wouldn't believe how rare that is in eroge though.
I know, anything that's not formulaic enough is rare, sadly.

>> No.17178172

>>17178113
I meant there is no passion between the MC and heroine in those scenes. The sex is sterile and dull. There is never much foreplay, anything other than dicking, paizuri, blowjobs usually that order in the scene select. Heroine always cums from MC's magical dick even though most girls can't physically cum from that or sometimes doesn't even cum and MC rolls over and it's over. Basically I want both MC and heroine I like to feel good but it's always heroine sacrificing "It hurts but if it's for you MC-kun..." because that's what a good heroine says and how she acts. I don't care about this in nukige but it leaves a bad taste if a heroine I fell love with is being used. All in all it's very one-sided, something I expect from 3D porn actors with no connection having sex.
And sorry for bad English, I'm having troubles writing today.

>> No.17178187

>>17178172
Yes, that's more or less what I mean. There is passion, but it's directed towards ridiculously overenthusiastic, unconvincing acting and "auugh your magical MC dick is making me orgasm even though it's my first time" for moege, and "auugh giving you a footjob is making me orgasm 20 times per second" for nukige. If all that passion was directed at making them act like people with actual feelings and personalities, instead of caricatures following the extremely streamlined process of what the average otaku considers sex to be, then it'd be so much better.

>> No.17178189

Iam actually gratefull that the H scenes are bad because I can skip them and keep moving on with the game. If each scenes was good it will take me forever to finish one game because I lose interest after fapping.

>> No.17178211

>>17178187
Sorry I didn't realize that's what you meant. I remember there was a game recently where heroine cums from a guy touching her back. Ridiculous.

>> No.17178239 [SPOILER] 
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>>17178211
Was it this one?

>> No.17178566

>>17178138
Damn, I also loved that about Yuna. Looks like a girlfriend you'd could have actual fun with. We need more heroines like this. Otaku are ruining otaku media.

>> No.17178945

Is there a game that's only (or at least mostly) about girls masturbating?

>> No.17178964

I'm sick of moeges with protags who get treated like a little bitch and suck it up. Every time it happens it makes me mad enough to ruin the whole experience. Is there actually a light comedy game where the protag has some self-respect?

>> No.17179020

>>17178239
Yeah that's it. Hot CG though.

>> No.17179042

>>17178945
I got you covered.
https://vndb.org/v16141

>> No.17179083

>>17178964
daitoshokan
akagoei too but i don't know if it counts as moege

>> No.17179099

>>17179042
Thank you, anon! I'll check it out.

>> No.17179245

>>17177918
I don't usually, unless i really like that particular cg or something.

>> No.17179321

>>17177375
>>17177468
>>17177545

So you all do a single heroine from a moege and move on?
Okay I didn't think of that.

>> No.17179327

>>17178073
>>17178089
>>17178099
>>>/DET/

>> No.17179374

>>17177918
I'm amazed that there's 8 replies to this and all of them are "hardly ever". You're really missing out. When you orgasm to a VN H-scene your brain naturally releases endorphins which linger as you continue reading the VN, making the rest of it significantly more pleasurable. And your brain will learn to associate the process of reading VNs as leading up to this endorphin rush as you build up towards the H-scenes, which both subconsciously encourages you to read regularly and enhances the appreciation of the buildup and romance. It creates a vastly superior experience in general if you get into the habit of masturbating to every girl.

>> No.17179380

>>17179374
If it's a VN worth reading then it should be able to meet my pretty low standards without needing me to be conditioned like a dog beforehand.

>> No.17179403

>>17178964
It's sick of protagonists changing personality and constabtly judging.

>talks absolute shit about weird people or just unique people you wouldn't see in real life, like chuunibyous or genki girls or even people not devoid of personality like the foreign guy or a punk.
>Proceeds obsessively talk about sex, tits and panties like some sex depraved faggot.
>haha you guys are the weird ones.

Or

>acts like complete gentlemen
>route to get the girl was sweet
>shortly after glong out they desperately try to convince the girl to open her legs with lines like 'take responsibility for my penis getting errect'

I hate this shit

>> No.17179411

>>17179374
Please leave, this isn't the place for that. Make a Nukige/Eroge thread if you like.

>> No.17179417

>>17179374
Don't know about this, I sometimes go back and fap but the sex scenes are long and normally not done too well.
That said there are some decent ones.

>>17179411
Not him but it's an eroge thread

>> No.17179432
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Are there any eroge where you heal damaged goods?
Like help a women recover from sexual assault and love her.

>> No.17179461

>>17179411
Yeah, this is the thread for complaining about how ero is the cancer killing eroge and how much we hate moege despite reading moege almost exclusively.

>make an eroge thread
>エロゲスレ/Untranslated VN General

>> No.17179463

>>17179432
Giniro.

But it is not a happy story, anon.

>> No.17179474

>>17179463
Doesn't seem like that
https://vndb.org/v18778

Do you mean a different game?

>> No.17179535

>>17179474
I mean this one.

https://vndb.org/v915

You better brace yourself, though. I don't recommend playing it if you are depressed.

>> No.17179543

>>17179374
I don't believe you. if that were the case then masturbating to doing things you don't like would eventually make you like it?

>> No.17179582

https://vndb.org/v12455

Are this game and its successor good?

>> No.17179726

>>17179374
Nice to meet you my friend. Fapping to standalone scenes doesn't work for me. I need the whole story setup. Maybe I've already been conditioned too much.

>> No.17179762
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She's so adorable, I can't stop giggling of an idiot.

I never knew how much I like tsuntsun turned tsundere, to deredere.
Yuzuyu's route is pretty cute so far, she seems to fall for the protagonist a bit too easily but at the same time stays tsuntsun along the way it was a nice touch.
I feel kinda bad as I did Himari and Misaki's route before this. I feel bad for Himari as while she does a get bit bitchy during her route she was cute and adorable. I don't Misaki so I don't feel as bad.

Yuzuyu seems to be the most in love with the protagonist and they get along pretty well with their personalities. One likes teasing, joking and outgoing, the other is tsun and loud but acts shy and gets flustered easily. I don't like how the protagonist tried to push for a kiss and acted all horny like normal hormone crazed MCs but still it wasn't forced so I'm happy. It didn't seem too much like him. He's a decent guy and probably one of my favourite protagonists still that bit felt a bit out of it.

That said the ost friend to lover I don't like the beggining of it but as it plays it feels like a deep love or like a sad story. I really think that it should come later on but still at times it does suit some deep moments.
I think they should add another ost for normal love this seems a bit too strong.
That said I really like how the girls have a theme for love and friendship.
That said the love versions of the songs aren't too good.

>> No.17179770

>>17179762
Also I love how they used 愛してる so easily it shows how much in love they are and how early they used it. Compared to Misaki and Himari.

>> No.17179775
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>>17179770
forgot pic

I really feel 愛してる shows a good relationship, compared to now saying at all

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>>17179582
Do you like chuuni and hotblooded battles with great production values? Both games are pretty good, though not on the level of DI and KKK and I'd recommend playing through those two first if you already haven't. Main plot wise I was left wanting a bit more and thought the supposed battle royale aspect could've been handled better because it was retarded that only Yoshiya by definition had what it took to become a second Rosei and all of Senshinkan's supposed "allies" were conveniently just acting like total fucking retards while the enemies attempts completely in vain due to them being simple stepping stones for Yoshiya and co.'s growth and the main characters a bit too perfect and gary stuish, though I realize Masada was going for a theme with them. Not to unbearably annoying extent, but didn't rub me the right way nonetheless.

Bansenjin is also pretty great, has even better soundtrack than the first, some ridiculously great moments like true Shinno at the final battle destroying my sides and it has the best girl of any game ever.

>> No.17179835

>>17179791
>I'd recommend playing through those two first if you already haven't.
Not him but what for if they're better?

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>>17179762
>>17179770
>>17179775
I can't stop smiling and giggling like an idiot.
This is too moe I have to stop.

>> No.17179922

>>17179791
Alright thanks anon. Yeah I was just curious because I feel like you hear a lot about DI and KKK but I cant't recall hearing much about those games.

>> No.17179987
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>>17179835
More of a personal ramble than anything. It's hard to say anything concrete without spoiling.

I mainly felt both DI and KKK characterized their villains better, whereas some in Senshinkan got the short end of the stick, even the main villain of Hachimyoujin, while cool doesn't just have the same draw nor receives as much needed screen time as DI's Heydrich and Mercurius who are hyped up all from the start of the game. Bansenjin also does similar kind of things as KKK main villains wise, but in my opinion worse and not only because of repetition since they were just literal dream bastardizations of the originals from the first game rather than actual characters with motivations (again makes sense for the plot they were going for but not to my liking) and Bansenjin's main villain also felt too close to KKK's Hajun with how both were essentially about rejecting other people (though for different reasons) and both weren't really proper characters but more of a looming background force that gets their proper introduction as a character only at the very end.

KKK was also exact opposite to Senshinkan as far as the group of protagonists go, a collection of memorable oddballs who certainly were nowhere near nice guys. DI's protagonist wasn't that special in retrospect, but his friends and allies were certainly irregular and not just about "we only want to survive this shit and go back to normal high school life". Like I also said I didn't really like the eventual handling of Senshinkan's battle royale either and felt that DI did it better. Most heroines apart from the new girl in Bansenjin also felt kind of unmemorable compared to DI and KKK.

>> No.17180006

>>17179987
>It's hard to say anything concrete without spoiling.
Is it the case that DI/KKK and Senshinkan have very similar scenes that DI/KKK execute better and then if one were to read Senshinkan first it would take away from the impact once you get to it in DI/KKK? Or something like that?

>> No.17180098

>>17180006
Can't say how much playing Senshinkan first would make DI and KKK less impactful, I meant more that they do some things similarly and personally felt that both DI and KKK did them better and would thus simply recommend people to play through the older and in my opinion best games first, though it could also be a personal bias since I played those before Senshinkan. After all they're all chuuni games from the same writer. And like I said, it's also a case of characters (both good guys and villains) in DI and KKK hitting all the right notes for me while Senshinkan didn't as much (with few notable exceptions).

Another thing to ponder: Senshinkan does have some heavy-handed inside jokes alluding to PL, DI and KKK, Bansenjin even has outright expy in Kriemhild, while again being completely different to Heydrich is another German character with an actual palace she conjures up in her first proper introduction, though they're completely unrelated to Senshinkan plot wise. In general stuff that makes you go "hey I got that reference", but completely self-contained and you could jump straight into Senshinkan if you wanted.

I don't think playing DI or Senshinkan first is going to actively ruin either series of games for you if that's what you're asking.

>> No.17180107

>>17180098
>PL, DI and KKK, Bansenjin
Derp, meant to put a period there. 神座万象 series (PL, DI, KKK) is separate from Senshinkan (Hachimyoujin and Bansenjin).

>> No.17180117

>>17180098
I see, thanks for the response

>> No.17180131
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17180131

Do you know any nukige where a girl is really timid, scared, and talks softly, shy and cute but a literal cum guzzling sex addict?

Not like mind broken or when she has sex she submits like normal girls, but more like it's her personality.

>> No.17180153

>>17180131
What you described kinda reminded me of her.
https://vndb.org/c23358

>> No.17180160

>>17180153
>Be blamed for molesting
>be innocent
>lose everything
>in revenge molest

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>>17180153
>Takumi is a professional train molenster

>> No.17180196

>>17180160
It's similar to the american jail system, they go to jail to become better people, they get out and can't integrate into society and can't get jobs so they go back to crime.
Sad thing is he's innocent.

>> No.17180238

Can you imagine being a girl being filled to the brim with cum by dozens of attractive men you don't even know but desire your body to no end?

I mean hahaha who would want that right?!?

>> No.17180270

Eroge has ruined me.
I keep having dirty thoughts when hearing 世紀 抜ける and bunch of other words.
Know I understand how eroge protagonists feel when they keep having dirty thoughts or talk about how much they like pantsu and stuff.

>> No.17180280

>>17180270
No, you're just a pervert.

>> No.17180303

https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2017/06/new-law-japan-lets-police-arrest-surveil-merely-planning-discussing-certain-acts-like-copyright-violation/

thoughts?

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>>17180270

I still don't understand. For example. you get a perfect view on a girl's great thighs and whatnot the protagonist is going on and on about the VERY SLIGHT view he has on her panties? (pic related, slightly nsfw obviously) Like what the fuck. What even is this obsession with panties?

>> No.17180386

>>17180374
It's the last layer before her vagina, the number one target for your penis to put its seeds in. You can not plant your seeds in legs.

>> No.17180465

>>17180386

That can't be it. It's not what's behind most care about. It's the panty. You can often see this when they react the exact same way when they see one that's not being worn. Can even be clean, new, whatever. Nothing matters.
And with the given picture, your view would be looking a little elsewhere anyway, if your target would be the vagina.

>> No.17180525

>>17180303
This seems to be mainly targeted at terrorism. If all sources of pirated eroge from within Japan (because this law really only affects people who live there) were suddenly to disappear or get arrested this would mean delays when it comes to games that don't get DL editions on release day.

What remains to be seen is whether the Freenet uploader thinks it's time to bow out because he is the main source of all games. A-S and mikocon have people who buy games for them too, ironically this law might affect them more because there has to be some communication between staff and the purchaser while the Freenet guy works alone.

>> No.17180542

looseboy please come back

>> No.17180583
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>>17180525
>This seems to be mainly targeted at terrorism.
That's what they'll say while using it to spy on anyone they want. It won't affect pirated eroge because if Tailon was that easily caught they'd have already caught him.

>> No.17180738

>>17180583
>It won't affect pirated eroge because if Tailon was that easily caught they'd have already caught him.

I agree that it doesn't change much for him because he broke the law multiple times already, but he can't keep on doing this forever and he might decide to retire on a whim saying it's due to the new laws

Last time he took a break for a few months we had A-S and chinks to rely on which was pretty bad

>> No.17180859

ノロケ>イチャイチャ

>> No.17181147
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>>17180859
femdom > both

>> No.17181174
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17181174

Trying to read KKK, does anyone know why the crack isn't working?

>> No.17181183

>>17181174
It's sigmaplus right?
Why didn't you tick the box?

>> No.17181185

>>17181183
*sigplus

>> No.17181191

>>17181183
Which box, the third one? Isn't that for non-sigplus engines? In any case that doesn't seem to work either.

>> No.17181209

>>17181147
I wish there were good femdom games.

>> No.17181215 [DELETED] 

So I'm on Shizukus route, and well Naoya can still draw better than Kei fespite his arm.
Why did he stop?

>> No.17181222 [DELETED] 

>>17181215
Fuck i spoiler it wrong

>> No.17181258
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17181258

This is your baking teacher for tonight.

>> No.17181277
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>>17181258
よーよろしくお願いします。す。。。

>> No.17181284

>>17181209
Mugen Kairou, especially the second one, is very good.

>> No.17181300

>>17181174
Original KKK?

First apply the 1.0.0.1 patch, then try this. Worked for me.

http://mysharegadget.com/119974129

>> No.17181328

>>17181300
Did you tick any of the boxes in the cracker? Or do anything other than just open the cracker, drag the marie.exe onto it, then try and run it?

>> No.17181334

>>17181328
The bottom one. Then you press the topmost button.

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>>17181334
Thanks heaps, it works.

>> No.17181436

>>17181258
That is not a guy

>> No.17181561

>>17181258
Okay so I'm reading Sakura no Uta and I'm confused about the inheritance bit.
In a derangement of epitaphs

So Naoya needed 15億円 to free 葛. He got a sum from the 7 art pieces and the rest from his father's saved money or his inheritance.
However what exactly happened with Freedman and Naoya wanting to remove his relation with his father?

So Freedman took the art studio or something for for himself and Nayoya felt bad he spent all the time making those paintings to have his dad write his name and make it his.
Is that right?
Am I missing something?

>> No.17181652

>>17181561
>Naoya felt bad he spent all the time making those paintings to have his dad write his name and make it his.
What the fuck. Can you even read Japanese? How can you be this off pretty much the entire point of the meaning of the artworks.

>> No.17181679

>>17181652

By name I meant 'make it his', as it had to be by his dad to have worth.
Not his actual name but name as in 'this art was by Kenichirou not Naoya' .

I'm just trying to figure out why he's pissed. I'm assuming it's not just his mum fettish.

>> No.17181712

>>17181652
>>17181679

I get the names have different meanings so that they have a connection to the original paining, I'm just trying to make sense of why Naoya is so upset.

I mean the plan seemed simple. To make 6 extra paintings and that they each relate to the original and another to make a complete set and thus have an increased value, and also with the noney left behind by his dad are used to assure her freedom. I dont know why Naoya hates his dad and wants no relation with him from that. He was fine at the beginning.

>> No.17181869

>>17181561
>>17181679
>>17181712
Okay can anybody confirm?

>> No.17181887

>>17181869
I can confirm that you should probably stick to moege if that's your level of reading comprehension. Try again in a year or two.

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So, I started this because I think people her mentioned that the heroines in this one are rather likeable, as in all of them.

So yeah, I can kinda see that. The worst girl is probably still better than most worst girls and overall the cast is quite likeable. But it also definitely lacks the really good characters. And that seems to be combined with pretty simplistic routes. So far I only read one (as in the first one), but that already started after the confession. So you had 200+ kb of nothingness. (ero excluded)
That's generally the stuff moege have troubles with: making the stuff post confession interesting. Some go on an ero-spree (cation), a few try to tell some kind of plot with usually a low chance of success and so on. So while it's kinda common, it's usually not too common to have essentially the whole route like that. Unfortunate.

Well, it was worst girl anyway, so maybe things improve a bit.

>> No.17181959

>>17181887
Okay look fine i admit i may have missed things but I'm sure on a number of things.

>葛 needed to be freed.
>Naoya negotiated a deal to give a large sum of money for her release.
>To obtain this money he planned to hand over the painting his father did.
>However it isn't enough so they made up a lie that there six others with it each having a special meaning to the first which they bought.
>They then have to make 6 more paintings with these conditions.
>Naoya ends up doing these paintings.
>One night his father comes and does his part to the paintings. Thus making it his.
>The paintings are sold and all inheritance is handed over so 葛 is freed.

I'm near 100% certain this is the chain of events.
What i don't fully get is why Naoya hates his father so much.
I may have missed it and I just want to ask.

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>>17181959
>What i don't fully get is why Naoya hates his father so much.
Either you're machine translating or you're autistic.

>> No.17182020

>>17182000
I missed something when reading or I might not have gotten something obvious.
Fuck I might even be on track.
All you had to say it or leave my question.
Instead you assume your 'must stop /djt/ stance' and contribute something worse than not replying.

Go fuck yourself.

>> No.17182047

>>17178945
https://vndb.org/v16434
There's an entire series of these.

>> No.17182115

>>17182000
>>>/@/

>> No.17182138

https://twitter.com/moeapp/status/875661805682556928

What are your thoughts on eroge coming to mobile devices.
I mean they aren't resource heavy and can easily work.
It just serms like a waste of resources for pc.

>> No.17182140

>>17182020
Don't let that guy let you down, dude. I haven't read Sakura no Uta, but there are a lot of VNs where I felt that fully understanding the plot actually ruins the enjoyment. I think it's a better experience reading VNs when you don't have a full understanding of the plot, since the majority of VNs when you do fully understand it, it's pretty stupid and disappointing.

Filling in the parts you don't understand with your own fanfiction is the more rewarding experience, and probably better than whatever actually happened in the VN.

>> No.17182156

>>17182140
I thought we all just downloaded the cg galleries and came up with our own stories.

>> No.17182163

>>17182140

The advantage of that is, that you can read very fast. All I need is like 2 minutes a route and I know roughly what happened and can have filled in the blanks with what's better anyway. Just remember to activate "skip everything", so you don't need to hold ctrl all the time.

>> No.17182166

Do you think cool announcements for this year could still happen? We're over half way in and it's getting worrying. Where is Purple Soft, are they skipping a year?

>> No.17182213

>>17182166

If you look at their releases, if something would come this year, then probably late. Wouldn't be surprised about early next year though, just like (probably) with Yuzusoft and August.

>> No.17182236

>>17182020
>expecting others to spoonfeed you answers to your dumb questions that are explicitly answered in the story
Seriously, why would you think Naoya hates his dad.

>> No.17182292

>>17182236
I had two reasons like I listed >>17181561 >>17181679
but got called out for it >>17181652 so I assumed it's wrong.

1.He 'loves' his mum and thus hates his dad
2. He felt contempt for his dad as his dad's bame would associated for what he did.

I really can't see any other reasons .

>why would you thibk Naoya hates his dad

The way he acts and treats him, how he didn't cry st his funeral and how he didn't want to be related to him anymore.

>> No.17182387

>>17167764
Tina would have affected me if only she was an actual heroine. She always felt like an afterthought.

>> No.17182402

>>17182020
You could try reading again if you want but I wouldn't really bother, it's one of those pretentious games to begin with, you're not missing anything that deep.

>> No.17182406

>>17182292
First of all, Naoya didn't cry at the funeral because he came to terms with his father's death and got it all out when his father signed the counterfeits and thanked him. This was explicitly said IIRC.
When Naoya said he cut ties with his father, he was just putting on a play for the witnesses to put on a convincing story as to why he isn't going to inherit his father's fortunes. The reality is that the money is going to be used to save Kuzu.
It was also said numerous times that Naoya was thankful to his father. Naoya cares for him.

Not sure why you even have these questions

>> No.17182415

>>17182406
>Not sure why you even have these questions
Because machine translations tend to be inaccurate

>> No.17182495

>>17182406
Okay, thank you.

I don't really get why he didn't just take the money and then use it to save kuzu without the act.
I assume it's because peiple are going to question him but even he could easily play it off without people thinking he hated his father.

>>17182415
I don't use one, I don't even know how to set it up if I wanted to, to begin with.

>> No.17182599

>>17175865
YnS runs just fine on Wine. Just make sure you run it on Japanese locale and it should work.

>> No.17182729

>>17180131
You literally described her.
https://vndb.org/c47931

>>17180525
Not only the word "terrorism" is very ambiguous, but the law is called anti-conspiracy, it isn't explicitly about terrorism. No one knows specifically what could happen.

>> No.17182768
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>>17182387
I get her concept though; being a 'strange mysterious transfer student' type, Tina makes the player to not playing the game the way it supposed to be; Tina makes the player to aimlessly wander around at Sunday because that's the only way to date her, and you get locked out of her ending if you fuck anyone while she herself doesn't have any sex scenes barring her ending, so you have to play like a prude in a dating sim game. These makes her interesting, gameplay-wise.

But just like what screenshot said, thanks to Tina appearing after every single time after a sex scene, getting like 2-3 heroines, the sad feeling is gone, and she feels like an annoyance instead. Tina sad scene would have much better impact if it better triggered to guilt trip players that chasing on multiple girls in one playthrough instead. For example, she only appears when the MC has sex with 2 different girls in a single day, or having sex with a heroine on previous week, but having another with another heroine on another week. It makes the player feels even more like a bastard, because how the scene specifically projects her heartbroken feelings when seeing her memory wiped former lover turned to a skirt-chaser that doesn't care about a girl's feelings that he cheated on.

>> No.17182783

>>17182729
>moe
>single routes for all heroines(no 3p)
>no deredere
>BR incest

You guys would love this

>> No.17182798

>>17182768
You speak the truth. In my opinion, having her be the Rei Ijuuin of getting hints here and there and more events as to who she is rather than two dates that required RNGesus to bless you.

>> No.17182806

Music has Beethoven
Books have the great Gatsby
Games have Super mario 64
What do vns have?

>> No.17182811

>>17182806
ユメミルクスリ

>> No.17182812

>>17182806
>Games have Super mario 64
Please tell me you are not serious.

I would say To Heart. It was one of the earliest examples of the VN/Eroge industry reaching full bloom.

>> No.17182837

>>17182806
These comparisons make no sense. Aren't you busy machine translating yourself through Sakura no Uta to be shitposting anyways?

>> No.17182858

>>17182812
It pushed the boundaries for 3d gaming at the time and still is a masterpiece compared to games today.
It's biggest selling point is the game play, something many games don't seem to worry too much about now which is sad but the truth.
It's absolute control of the character is amazing.
Its level are memorable, it's music, timeless.
I didn't even finish it as a child but see why many would fall in love with it.
It's not even my favourite game but I would consider perhaps one the greatest video game ever made. My gripe is that the art style is dated.

>>17182837
I'm not him? Not sure why you would think that.

>> No.17182866

>>17182858
>Not sure why you would think that
New to 4chan I see

>> No.17182876

>>17182866
I posted ealier in the thread in case you wondered why the unique poster count didn't go up.
Mainly arguing for ero in video games

>> No.17182894

>>17182876
I'm also the fureraba poster

>> No.17182904

>>17182894
As well as the Sakuuta MT'ler and the guy who breaks down when anything but 1on1 vanilla H-scenes show up in a game.

>> No.17182914
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>>17182858
I played it to the end, and it was repetitive , the controls were clunky, the only music I remember is Bowser's theme, and it was a game aimed at children (too easy). If you want boudary pushing, then I would say FFVII. It set a new bar for all games.

>> No.17182950

>>17182904
I'm personally for harems buddy, you're really reaching here.
I even mentioned how I felt sad in my fureraba post when I saw Himari and Misaki.
I personally love harems and wish more game would have them.
All girls are happy and not sad.
It's a win-win situation.
While there are some game better without then I really wish more eroge would have them.

>>17182914
Not really a fan of ff mainline games I actually like the side games like tactics more but fair points.

>> No.17182961

>>17182950
Other than the controls, they were pure kino Ive never seen somebody hate them.
You're probably the first person I've met.

>> No.17183054

>>17182806
>Beethoven

Bach was the bigger innovator. People only wank over Beethoven because of his 5th and 9th symphony.

>great Gatsby

Only relevant to Americans. Don Quixote was the first modern novel and had a far bigger impact on literature.

>Super mario 64

Comes from the clunky time of early 3D. Super Mario Brothers on the NES set the formula for a whole genre.

>what do vns have?

Nothing comparable because there is no self-proclaimed authority of fart-sniffing feuilletonists who analyze VNs for their cultural significance.

>> No.17183071

>>17182806
Scaji

>> No.17183073

>>17180525
>This seems to be mainly targeted at terrorism. If all sources of pirated eroge from within Japan (because this law really only affects people who live there) were suddenly to disappear or get arrested this would mean delays when it comes to games that don't get DL editions on release day.

I don't see how the removal of pirated media let alone, even the removal of all digital games entirely would delay release dates of physical copies in any way.
If anything companies may see it as an oppurtunity and find it more fitting to release games earlier with the fear of piracy gone.
Also if this passes through, maybe devs could turn a larger profit, with piracy not being an option for the public anymore.

This could even lead to lower prices for consumers, saved from what would've been spent during development on anti-piracy measures.

It helps everybody except pirates pretty much.

>> No.17183084

>>17183054
Hello Mozart,
Please stay dead, and stop using other composer's names to dethrone Beethoven, you aren't fooling anybody.

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>>17183084
Simpler times.

>> No.17183139

>>17183073
Do you not pirate things?
I think almost everybody here does.

>> No.17183153

Sakura no Mori Dreamers 2 trial came out yesterday if anyones interested.

>> No.17183169

>>17183153
What would you rate it or rate it's prequel.
I'll play based on your answer.

>> No.17183178

>>17183169
Not as good as Sakura no Uta unfortunately.

>> No.17183179

>>17183054
It did come from an early time but still it doesn't mean it's bad, like I mentioned in a kther post the controls are amazing and why most people love it.
I've also never got into the 2d mario games ive yet to find a single good 2d game in general.

>> No.17183183

>>17183073
>This could even lead to lower prices for consumers, saved from what would've been spent during development on anti-piracy measures.

Definitely not, only Akabesoft is actually spending money on anti-piracy measures and they actually said if it works they are planning to raise cost of the games.

Also he meant the "delay" as the pirate version's, in short chicks or someone else will upload it anyway, maybe 10-15 days later but in the end they'll get uploaded.

>> No.17183218

>>17183183
Right my bad I forgot. Still if they have no need for it, their prices would naturally decrease as they won't need and won't implement it.
I don't see how it increases the games for companies or in this case the company that uses it.

>> No.17183226

>>17183183
>Akabesoft
I keep forgetting these guys still exist. They are damn old.

>> No.17183285

>>17171350
VN source?

>> No.17183294
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(チラ)

>> No.17183316
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>>17183294
One day I will figure out how those damn outfits stay on.

>> No.17183335

Biman, Ouchi and omokage delayed.

Haruoto Alice gram and TanteiSeven are the only games I'm interested in but they come out at the end of the month.

Is this the worst month?

>> No.17183352

>>17183218
Well stoppping piracy doesn't make them increase the price of the games, thats for sure, but it doesn't make them decrease as well. According to the some companies even the current prices are not enough and they'd raise the price if they could, but they cant do that either since they're already expensive as fuck and people would just stop buying if a full priced game becomes like 15.000 yen or something.

Then again, stopping pirates wont help at this matter at all either. Lets assume that somehow all the piracy thing stopped; This time those people will just buy the second hand stuff, if they are that interested, which is legal. There is no way that they can force people to pay $100 for a random moege or some kind of average quality game, those who are willing to spend money are already spending them.

The point is, Almost no one would buy an eroge just to read it for a full price, its too expensive. People are only buying them just to support the companies & casts they like and to get some tokuten which came with them.

>> No.17183367

>>17183285
Senshinkan

>> No.17183398

>>17183335
I was only interested in golden hour this month but that got delayed. Well at least we got the demo a couple days ago.

>> No.17183399

>>17183352
Wasn't aware of that, still
Second hand already exists and it isn't that much of an issue, that said you may be right in that if prices do indeed increase that second hand product sales would do so too.
However there are physical sales that include certain products like dakimakuras, towels and so on. I feel companies could continue profit off of this like they already do if second does becone the new standard.

That said I'm not saying I don't pirate I just think that if piracy weren't around, companies could make better profits if not cause a massive change in the industry, hopefully for the better.
Maybe even a netflix or javhd rype of service for eroge?

>> No.17183408

>>17183335
I want to download the Haruoto trial but no gaijins allowed...
http://nanawind.jp

>> No.17183422

>>17183408
You can dl it through getchu. Also at a fast speed(15 minute for me).
http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=896259&gc=gc

>> No.17183427

>>17183422
Wow thanks.

>> No.17183434
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Okay I asked this last thread for a girl like like this: short, loli like, kinda stoic and grumpy and with a certain hairstyle.
I think this is it.
Do you guys know the name of this girl.

>> No.17183439

>>17183434
Or what vn it was from?

>> No.17183451

>>17183434
>>17183439
Okay never mind I feel like an idiot it's 初 情 スプリンクル
It's got cute lolis

>> No.17183452

>>17183054
>Don Quixote was the first modern novel
that was Genji Monogatari, as a weeb you should know this
>and had a far bigger impact on literature
at least this is correct

don't reply seriously to bait though

>> No.17183482

>>17183452
Not him, but not all bait is bad.
It allows for conversation and discussion thst otherwise wouldn't normally take place.
It's how trolling got started, it was outrageous and obsurd and done to get lurkers signed up and reply. Looking back it was pretty smart of them.

>> No.17183486

>>17183399
>I just think that if piracy weren't around, companies could make better profits if not cause a massive change in the industry
highly unlikely. piracy doesn't just let people steal content, it also lets them sample it better than a trial and increase sales as a result. now i'm not saying these sales completely offset any losses to piracy but there's no solid proof either way. if piracy were truly stopped than more likely people would move on to another medium that they could pirate instead

and dlsite does have a rental service now which is as close as we'll get to an eroge netflix, only time will tell if it affects the industry in any meaningful way

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>>17183434

Vndb is pretty mighty, it's pretty much your best bet if you are trying to find very specific hairstyles and whatnot. Unfortunately, it's never gonna be easy and you'll need to invest some time. But who knows, maybe it'll be worthwhile in the end.

>> No.17183543

>>17183486

Truth be told, I fear that if piracy wouldn't exist, people would even more turn to "safe" works and new works would have massive issues. Trials can only do so much, especially with the trial baiting and whatnot going on. And worth of mouth will help those.

Piracy is only really hurting big releases that people are looking forward to. Which is also why something like denuvo makes sense, from a business point of view. If you can pay that much money to buy that, it's likely it's actually helping. If it's too expensive on the other hand, you should probably not worry too much. Probably. There'll always be cases that hurt smaller devs in a specific niché, but nothing is perfect. That "hurting" would then be something like 100 vs 200 sales.

>> No.17183552

>>17183486
Quite a few people don't buy the games they sample, myself included.
Also sampling can be done via trials so thats point is gone.
I know there's games that would buy if i hadn't pirated them and I'm sure I'm not the only person.

There's no real way to know how the industry would work or if there was an industry to begin with if piracy weren't around

It's something devs have to deal with. It's not fair to people who bought legit copies and if you don't buy it after playing a large amount of the game it's also unfair to the devs.

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poor quality because taking of a crappy photo of my ps vita screen.

just finished the yu-no remake and started playing chaos child love chuchu: WHYYYYYY

>> No.17183586

>>17183569
>That pic

Cute

>> No.17183668

>>17183569
Is this what they call sequel escalation?

>> No.17183855

Man the threads are dropping in quality with each passing one.
Should I blame summer for this?

>> No.17183898

>>17183855
I'm not sure what quality you are expecting here. This thread is log of our progress reading VNs. Nothing more. Nothing less.

>> No.17183899

>>17183855
Blame djt

>> No.17183944

>>17183855
Blame /a/ and /jp/ mods

>> No.17184026

>>17183855
Yeah, even slow months with few eroge or shitty releases back then people would play older titles and had more discussions about it compared to recommendations and general help right now.

>> No.17184106 [DELETED] 

>>17183898
>our
No. /djt/ doesn't read "VNs".

>> No.17184636

>>17183855
I can't say the quality feels much lower than it did when I left three years ago.

>> No.17184808

>>17183855
Most of it is VN discussion, what topics should we avoid or talk about instead?

>> No.17185046

>>17184808
Just adding to this.

I mean at least mention what topics you'd like and those that you'd prefer weren't discussed.

>screenshots of notable moments in game
>progress of games
>short reviews
>debating things like harems or piracy
>lewd screenshots
>updates and releases

I mean everybody here can complain all they like but if we have consensus on what things we enjoy and don't we might actually do something about it rather than sitting on our asses and complaining.

>> No.17185128

>>17185046
Not the guy you're responding to, but I enjoy nearly all of those. Even debates like the harem one, where I didn't have any strong feelings either way, it was interesting reading different anons' thoughts on the matter.

>> No.17185206

>>17185046
I am new blood so perhaps my opinion isn't as relevant but I enjoy all of the above. The only thing that comes to mind that doesn't belong is language-learning questions (how hard is X, how to set up texthooker) that simply should be posted in DJT instead.

>> No.17185242

>>17185128
Yeah normally I'm up for debates but I didn't really get the anti-harems side.

I mean if you think incest, robots, little sisters, cats, inaniminate objects are fine I don't really see why you have it out for harems.
You could say that it's wrong and it's not true love.
The same could be said for incest, how the love of family that requires no sex is far stronger than the relationship of a gf or wife that you need sex or feel you need to release your sexual desires.
Not to mention how every personloves their family yet don't need to show it through sex.
If you feel the need to have sexual relationships with a family member it's not true love it's perversion really or a mental illness.
You might feel that your love isn't good enough that you need sex to fulfill it or you have a confused representation of what love is and feel that sex best represents this.

However this is fiction the love with a family member may not be perversion but actual love and the same applies to harems and the others I mentioned like even robots who are simply programs.

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>>17185046
Basically anything not relating to VNs/upcoming releases.
I don't even really like the harem/ero in VNs/piracy meta stuff but at least it's not djt shit. And if we actually only discussed playing VNs we'd probably get like 2 posts a day.
I can't really complain because I don't exactly contribute quality discussions myself. But lately I've just been playing older moege which there's really no point in writing reviews/impressions on. Especially since most boil down to "not bad not good".

>> No.17185260

>>17185245
You can still discuss it.
I don't see why not.

>> No.17185264

>>17185242
Can't say I agree with all of that but I don't really want to get started. When it comes to eroge, my philosophy tends to be if you don't like it then just don't play it. There are other fish in the sea.

>> No.17185319

>>17185245
I wouldn't say there's no point. That's how a lot of people here find games they had once overlooked or have never heard of. I know I've downloaded plenty of games due to random posts here that spark my interest.

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>>17185260
>>17185319
Maybe I will. At least I can say it's on topic. I also started a screenshots folder recently and sometimes I get the urge to share some but I have no reasons.
I did recently play Sayooshi. But I didn't really love it like a lot of people seem to and didn't feel like justifying my thoughts. I guess it boiled down to not being a fan of the theme/twist as a whole, across any medium, just as a personal preference. Although I could say it was more well done than a lot of the attempts I've seen. I think I might have just had too high expectations for it.

>> No.17185347

>>17185206
I 100% agree but there is no /djt/ discussion here in this thread and people are still pissed.

>> No.17185372

>>17185338
Does she get raped in the Fanny?

>> No.17185394

>>17185372
I wish. What moege really needs is more gangbangs.

>> No.17185429

>>17185394
Gangbangs can be vanilla too.
Clones of the guys having sex with the girl or vice versa where they share the same consciousness.

>> No.17185459

>>17185046
I'd like more OC or reaction images using eroge characters.

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>>17185459
here's one on the house

>> No.17185493

>>17185394
I wonder, is there any moege which actually have consensual group scenes with multiple guys?

>> No.17185581

>>17185459
I'd like less of this.

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>>17178045
Picked this up, seems promising and I love crazy girls. Smug wheelchair is best girl so far.

I didn't watch the OP but curiosity is gnawing at me something fierce. It's already spoilery enough that nearly all the girls have at least one crazy-face sprite in the introductory bit.

>> No.17186005
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So I was trying to analyze why I didn't like Baldr Sky as much as I liked Force (Dive1 at least, for sure I didn't), and the reason was probably because the writer seems to be really formulaic in his approach to his stories.

You can sort of tell by the last route of Force that his formula was this, and he repeats the exact same thing on Sky. You can almost predict how things will play out. By the last route of Dive1 at least, I already knew what was going to happen.

I think I would have liked Sky more if I hadn't played Force first, and liked Force less if I had played it after Sky.

There are some really neat ideas in Sky that makes it strong despite this, but playing Force before and getting the writer's drift and his safe spaces, seeing where he doesn't take risks etc pretty much kills Sky after you play it.

It still works, but damn man. You have to get out of your comfort zone if you get what I'm saying.

Rain is best girl though

>> No.17186017

>>17185492
Thanks man

>> No.17186037

>tfw you just bought a 1200 dollars gtx 1060 laptop to play vns
i hope i can play maitetsu now dudes

>> No.17186149

>>17185046
so this is a blog thread?

>> No.17186179

>>17186005
What bothers me is how Baldr Sky is my favorite VN yet I almost punched my laptop while reading Sky Saga in Dengeki Stryker. I've never had a case in any media where the author of my favorite work wrote something I ended up hating so much.

>> No.17186426

>>17186037
Use that power on Tokyo Necro instead.

>> No.17186447

>>17186149
>Hey look at this funny thing that happened in x.
>I've gotten this far in x how do beat this thing?
>These are my thoughts on x.
>What do you feel is better x or y? I think the writer's best work was x.
>Hey guys did you know x was coming out check it out.

Feel free to call it a blog site if you want but these seem to be the most common posts.
The other things I see here are Japanese related questions and bickering on pointless things and overall off-topic posts.

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>>17182798
>having her be the Rei Ijuuin of getting hints here and there
I wish Minoru/other characters that come to MC before Saturday starts would give me hints of how to get a certain girl's events instead of just echoing MC scenes that you've just get recently, like him telling that I should taking x girl to y place because he heard she likes that place. It would give me something important to read and more incentive to read the dialogues of the characters that come on days between Sunday-Saturday, instead of just pressing ctrl and say OK to every girl's request that's asking one of your item in your inventory.

>> No.17188854
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17188854

Who else enjoys the middle-low budget nukige by Miel, Atelier Sakura, Apettite, etcetc...

>> No.17188892

>>17188854
I remember hearing from tonokoi that doing sports stops your periods or makes them irregular.

>> No.17189062

>>17188854
I love the Atelier Sakura NTR games.

>> No.17189178

Okay before they wake up, let's talk about eroge.
What are you playing now and what are looking forward too?
Also mentions you favourite type of girl.

I'm playing some demos and games on my backlogs and looking forward to ouchi.
I like genki girls and just really friendly girls in general.

>> No.17189436

>>17189178
Finished Dei Gratia last.
Divided between starting Kanojo Step for a lighter change of pace despite the art since I loved Fureraba or picking up JQV.

Classic tsundere.

>> No.17189464

>>17189436
If you want more Smee Pure Connect is way better than Kanojo Step. Or even just their older Love Delation.

>> No.17189628

There was that Japanese site that pooled together all the new announcements and whatnot for trials, games, update patches etc. Anyone remember the name?

>> No.17189784

>>17183855
Seriously, half the posts are using meme arrows. I can't tell which board I'm on.

>> No.17189816

>>17189784
You mean green text?
It's used on every board.

>> No.17189832

>>17189628
http://www.nona.dti.ne.jp/~d-space/release/index.html
http://nawa.sakura.ne.jp/

>> No.17189865

>>17189816
No, I mean meme arrows. And I know 4chan is filled with the inexperienced, I just recall these threads being above that.

>> No.17190091

>>17189628
Why? You can get all info from egs.

>> No.17190094

>>17189865
What are these "meme arrows"?

>> No.17190364
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What a bunch of plebs, everyone knows you're supposed to separate them with the shell.

>> No.17190375

>>17190094
/v/-style misuse of the quote function, but with the implication that the culprit is a newfag. The nuances are important.

>> No.17190657
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17190657

Uh... ok?

>> No.17190660
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>>17189178
Playing istoria.
Kukuri is absolute perfection.

>> No.17190826

>>17190660
Good taste, brother. Trash has never been so lovely.

>> No.17190827

How's the Yuuno remake?
Is there a chance it will be released for PC?

>> No.17190848

>>17190827
Original is better, play that.

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17190889

>>17190094

>> No.17191108

>>17190660

Is it better than Kamimaho? Though I suppose the biggest weakness of that only really became obvious later on, so it may not be so easy to say.

>> No.17191132

>>17191108
I never finished kamimaho, didn't like most of the cast and it was way too melodramatic for everything.

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>>17191108
not him but I thought it was much better paced and consistently engaging than kamimaho. though I ended up having the exact same problem with both in that they were just too long and I burned out in the last couple chapters.

I liked istoria's characters a lot better though, more interesting MC (less perfect imouto but you can't win'em all) but as usual with that writer I never really like his main girls. which gets annoying since they're always endgame and get the best/most thematically consistent routes.

probably the biggest dealbreaker is that it treads a razor-thin line between dramatic and melodramatic as other anon mentioned. this will depend on personal taste and attachment to characters but for me it was by and large on point, I got super sucked in and was with them on pretty much most things but there were times when things were a little too convenient or a little too well-timed.

like a drama-themed version of Murphy's Law: everything that could possibly go right/wrong will do so at the absolute best/worst moment possible.

but lest that sound like a point against it, again, I got very much drawn into it. it helps the MC has, y'know, goals and hopes and dreams and actual emotional range. I really wanted to see the poor fucker be happy.

great girls, too. yurugi was my underdog favourite but kukuri cleaned house in terms of sheer loveliness. but as usual the best girls are the never ever no-routes.

>> No.17191250

>>17191234
Who's main girl in istoria anyway? So far I'm liking them all but Yuura who's being extremely grating.
I'd like her if she wasn't a heroine.

>> No.17191292

>>17191250
Sayo. For once though with her situation the whole 'attractive girl adores boy but boy keeps her at arm's length at all times' trope makes sense and has valid reasons.

Yuura gets much, much better later on. you're right that she grates early on, though.

>> No.17191303

>>17191234
So how much did the typo patch fix? Most of them or only a few?

>> No.17191318
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>>17191292
Makes sense, was hoping it'd be most fuckable girl Kureha though, she's LITERALLY made to be fucked, like, damn.
Is it a good idea to keep Sayo's route for last before the true end or doesn't matter?

>> No.17191326

>>17191303
Don't know, sorry. I powered through the original before the patch came out.

>> No.17191387

>>17191234

It's not so much the characters, the length (it's 2mb with optional routes included.. that's not THAT bad) or the drama for me, but rather the major double standards. The author was absolutely terrible with pulling through what he started. Which is why I wrote, it's mostly something you saw near the ending. The author loved to withhold information to make things dramatic that actually weren't (which I don't think is good writing but whatsoever), so you never REALLY knew if it's just something that'll still come up or not. But when it ended you'd obviously know that nothing else is coming. So what remained was a rather rushed final part that's nowhere near what it should've been given the theme of the game. And a few plotholes.

So yeah, I'd rather avoid another one of that. I quite liked the idea behind the plot. I liked the heroines. And I would've liked if the author would've actually pulled through and not done that half assed ending.

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>>17191318
I think Sayo end IS true end though I don't know for sure.

There's a split in chapter 8 where the girls get split into two groups (trying to be as spoiler-free as possible). I did Yurugi and Yuura's routes and got halfway through Kukuri's before burnout set in. Yuura's was pretty good though I hated the antagonist, and not in the good way. Yurugi's was weird in that it gave me exactly what I wanted and it turns out I didn't want what I wanted. mild thematic spoiler explaining why: she wants him to be happy. in order for that to happen, he has to cut out of his life everything that makes him unhappy. that means all the plot goes away. so they become happy and the route drama isn't even about her. but on the other hand, it's a massive tonal shift from the rest of the game and is honestly a little boring after everything that came before. but I wanted to see MC happy and drama-free. but it turns out actually seeing that is kinda eh. go figure.

honestly unless you really the Yuru/Yuura combo I'd skip both of their routes. Kukuri was good and plot related from what I read, though.

and yes, Kureha was literally made for hatefucks and I am eternally upset there was no hatefuck to speak of.

>> No.17191407

>>17191387
try unmei yohou, its best game by this guy

>> No.17191419

>>17191407
That's the game where every single side route is boring as fuck and the main one isn't even good.
Good themes, bad game with awful art.

>> No.17191447

>>17191419
>awful art
very bad taste

>> No.17191449

>>17191403
*unless you really like
whoops, accidentally the verb

>>17191387
I didn't get to the end of paper wizards so I can't really comment either way. Istoria's better in terms of things in that there's a few things I was afraid would be milked for drama for hours and hours and then got explained or resolved or at least acknowledged pretty quickly. there's a lot more action to the plot instead of people hiding secrets from each other, but then again one of the major plot points is someone hiding secrets from someone else so yeah.

it's still the same author and he still loves his drama but I do think it's better done this time around. so I don't wanna tell you you'll love it but if there was enough in kamimaho you liked then it might be worth a shot at least.

>> No.17191494

>>17191419
I disagree but you are entitled to your opinion.

Telling you this accomplishes nothing but it's a personal flawed gem for me and I would be upset at myself if I didn't say something. So there.

and fuck you the art is real cosy

>> No.17191519

>>17190848
I did, I'm just interested in how the remake compares.

>> No.17191653

>>17190660
I absolutely love this art and the girls look really fuckable like as much as a nukige how's the game?

>> No.17191672

>>17191653
if you read it to see the girls get fucked you're gonna be blue balling for weeks.

it's good, it's just a character drama about despair and awful things happening that is not sexy at all. except for the characters you can't sex.

>> No.17191678

>>17190094
Pretty much a function that's always been on 4chan. Contrarians see redditors and others use it so they now refer to it as meme arrows as they hate memes.

>> No.17191690

>>17191672
They look really cute though are there lewd scenes at least?
Is the story all nakige or just some parts?

>> No.17191709

>>17191690
No it's all ages sorry.

>> No.17191725

>>17191690
there's the usual contractually obligated 3 lewds per girl but the routes are very late in an already long game and the sex is pretty much an afterthought/in there because it has to be.

seriously, it's a good story but you don't want to read it for the porn. warning you for your own good here.

>> No.17191766

>>17191725
I like a good story, but the cute and somwhat errotic art made me think it would benefit from ero.
If it's a decent story I'd read it for that, if there's ero that's a bonus.

>> No.17191775

>>17191678
Exactly, the quote function, not the meme arrow function. That began on /v/, and belongs there.

>> No.17191780

>>17191766
that's cool, just giving you fair warning. I do like the art a lot, the way they do hair is real nice.

>> No.17191784
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The best girl is a guy.
How do they get away witht this?

>> No.17191821

>>17182166
rance 10 is still promised for this year. Starting to doubt it'll actually be released this year though.

>> No.17191842

>>17191784

Some like their girls to be actually guys. That's how. I don't, so he was the worst "girl" to me though, as he wasn't a girl in the first place. Though even trap-wise there's better. I recently read a bit of Happiness and that had a nice trap support. The rest sucked ass, so I've stopped pretty fast, but yeah.

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>>17191842
I mainly liked him as he was basically a girl, who liked cooking, cleaning, got shy and embarrassed with lewd stuff and crossdressing stuff.
He also kind and caring, and had a butler like Hayate from Hayate no gotoku vibe about him.

His reactions to certain events were hilarious but overall the best parts were just him getting flustered and shy about wearing dresses and going to the girl's toilets and stuff. If he wasn't shy I wouldn't like him I'd call hin a slut.

Also he wasn't some generic protagonist too so there's that.
Bbs pink guys seem to love him too.

Also his reactions are hilarious and my favourite parts about his character.

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>>17191906

That's nice and all, but that's not changing that he's a guy. I like some male characters in eroge as well, but that's always gonna be a bit different than when it comes to the heroines. Though I really don't regret how pic related hijacked Aya's route in the original game. What a route.

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>>17191906
Also I feel stupid I always though Minato was a guy's exclusive name.

>> No.17191993

>>17191906
Him giving black haired bitch a good anal was the best part of the game imo.

>> No.17192011

>>17171350
What is this? Reverse search isn't helping.

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About to start this.
What am I in for? Up until now the routes were somewhat sad but they ended on a happy note.

>> No.17192032

>>17192011
>>17183285
>>17183367

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>>17192011
Already asked in the thread. It's Senshinkan.

>> No.17192046

>>17192032
>>17192034
Sorry, thanks.

>> No.17192086

Talking about light I was planning to give the Silverio series a try.

>It was at this time that Japan successfully discovered the previously unknown “Astral” particle was successfully discovered by Japan, which would solve all of the world’s energy problems. However, the other nations would not recognize Japan’s superiority and set out to take the new technology by force

Is it as auto-fellatio sounding as it sounds in the description? I chuckled when reading it.

>> No.17192168

>>17192086
Yeah, light went fucking netuyo after KKK.

>> No.17192176

>>17192086

Best anti gaijin protection. Although that even happens more main-stream things. Always a laugh worth when the big bad ends up being american.

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This writer can't into physics

>> No.17192208

>>17192176
There are plenty of weeaboos who love fellating Japan, and also plenty of Japanese who don't self fellate, so in the end there's no difference.

>> No.17192227

>>17192086
>Japan successfully discovered (...) was successfully discovered by Japan

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Alrighty, this is really a shame with moteyaba.

The girls are really likable, but the writers aren't good at using that.
First of all there is a pretty crappy protagonist. That obviously never helps, but he is really fucking weirdly written.
The the game completely ignores building relationships. I know, that's.. KINDA the theme, but you gotta do something else then. The "relationships" that get formed are empty and lack life.

Then a BIG problem: the slice of life is boring. The routes feel empty. I've realized that they really loved to skip anything that could be remotely interesting and concentrated on random dialogue between characters instead. Like for example, protagonist is with a girl on a "date", she wants to buy some things. So she says stuff like something for her brother, something for another heroine you know and so on, the protagonist should help her. Then the game skips ALL of that and just adds some random other dialogue at the end. Pretty much end of "date". They could've actually made an arc out of that, easily even, and just give everything some easy purpose. They didn't. Because that'd be work? I dunno.
The whole thing feels so limited. There are very few locations and very few things that actually happen and aren't just shortly talked about and then forgotten or ignored. It's like the authors never wanted to bother with actually writing anything aside of empty dialogue. I mean technically the characters were even in a club that explores myths and strange things or whatever, but don't think they ever bothered actually writing much there. Nope.
Random dialogue. All the time. That's fine for an hour or so, but the routes are like 3-4 times that. And all routes are obviously like that as well. Now there is SOME tacked on main-story, but unfortunately it's about as good as you can expect of a moege. Kinda includes my issue with the protagonist as well. Let's just say, if he wouldn't act REALLY weirdly a lot of times, the story wouldn't work I think.


In the end I kinda go out of the game just as empty as the routes were, and disappointed. I kinda wanted some nice routes with those characters. What a weird game.

>> No.17192240

>>17192233
Fuck you moteyaba is good.

>> No.17192260

>>17192014
Apparently it's Nijima's best work alongide HastuyukiSakura

>> No.17192273

>>17192014
That's the one with the real punch.

>> No.17192283

>>17192014
>but they ended on a happy note.
Maki's route?

>> No.17192284

Does anyone know why in vns some girls get like 6 h-scenes while the rest 4 and some others just 3?

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>>17192233
I feel ya. I dropped it incredibly quickly due to how much of a damp squib the protag was. It doesn't do you any good to have lovable girls if you go and pair them with a brick. I take that back actually, bricks are useful and functional and good at what they do.

I mean I know the kind of game it is and I wasn't expecting much but it was just horrible sitting there watching an entire room full of cuties fawning over him as he struggles to even get a full fucking sentence out. He's not even pathetic or a coward or a social skills-lacking hikki neet, he's just the most boring person alive. And you can't banter with one person. It sounds dumb and utterly lacking in self-awareness to say this about a video game in which you pretend to date virtual anime girls, but the whole thing just felt so fake.

Christ, I wanted to like it but that white-bread-with-the-crusts-removed cheese-pizza-with-no-sauce fucker killed it for me. He's the first time I've ever seriously contemplated using the word "milquetoast" in a sentence. God damn.

That game is all the proof I'll ever need that you can't truly enjoy the things you don't earn.

Excuse the rant, that one's been sitting on my chest for a while now.

>> No.17192324

>>17192308
>white-bread-with-the-crusts-removed
I like it.

>> No.17192326

>>17192308
Now you just went full cynical. There's no reason to fall in love to begin with.

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>>17192233
>>17192308
I feel ya two.
I got the the first route before dropping it. Very uninspired, has a bit of nice comedy and a bit of nice cozy feel, but empty and boring is a very good way to describe it for the most part.

>> No.17192358

>>17192308
>>17192353
It's supposedly Hulottes best game too so I'm afraid of trying their other ones.

>> No.17192362

>>17192358
With Ribbon is better.

>> No.17192363

>>17191906
>If he wasn't shy I wouldn't like him I'd call hin a slut.
Crossdressing is inherently a slutty thing though.

>> No.17192376

>>17192326
What was cynical about that? I like when people have reasons to like each other. I will take the 5 billionth iteration of 'his yasashii game too strong' over this shit any day. He manages to simultaneously know and yet fail to understand that the reason why he feels so awkward is because girls like him and there is zero reason why that should be so.

It doesn't have to be much. I can live on one-off childhood promises or 'he helped me out this one time at band camp'. But I need there to be some reason why the girl would think the MC is someone she would want to be around.

>> No.17192387

>>17192376
There's no reason. Love is irrational.

>> No.17192397

>>17192387
Love also happens to need a spark to happen and will die as easily as it appears.

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>>17192324
I bet you don't even put ketchup on your burgers.

>>17192358
Yikes.

>> No.17192405

>>17192233
>>17192308
>>17192353
i mean i don't blame you guys but did any of you even read the games description? it's exactly what you described

>トキヤは本来 内向的な気弱青年
>浅坂家に伝わる、未来における縁結びの可能性を今の自分に宿すという秘奥義。
>それを使えば女性の視線を集めることが出来る、いわゆる “モテ期” になれるのだ。

it says right upfront that he's a loser and the girls like him for no reason

>> No.17192407

>>17192399
Only on low quality ones, otherwise the flavour of the meat is worth it.

>> No.17192431

>>17192233
>I've realized that they really loved to skip anything that could be remotely interesting and concentrated on random dialogue between characters instead
I feel like I see this a lot in moege but I can't think of names off the top of my head. Most of the time where they can go into more detail on what the characters are doing and and such, they skip it and just go back to the characters talking about MC or something. Boring. So far I am reading Anata ni Koisuru Recette and I like how it's actually about learning how to bake and they teach you all the little details. I hope the characters continue to do things.

>>17192387
If you used this excuse every time no writer would have to bother writing a convincing romance.

>>17192399
If you are eating good burgers you don't need to slather them with liquid sugar like an American.

>> No.17192436

>>17192405
I didn't mind the protagonist.

>> No.17192443

>>17192405
I usually like that sort of self-improvement stuff but he was beyond hope. And got everything handed to him via the equivalent of shounen anime's "this attack will take ten years off my life!" aka fuckall consequences.

I dunno, I mean you're absolutely right that I should have known all this going in and it's not like it takes itself seriously so why should I,

and yet the whole thing just gets under my skin something fierce. Something about that mayo-is-too-spicy-for-me little shit makes me mad.

>> No.17192448

>>17192191
The thing about physics, philosophy and all higher levels of thinking is that the ones we know are understandable by humans. So we lose out on the spark we had as children where the world was still mysterious and traffic lights were controlled by tiny people, we enjoy less as we're adults, we can understand it and with it any bullshit people try to pull.
That said we aren't all experts in the field, and we could get that same spark with skilled writer, that also happened to be an expert in the field.
They may be able to go into the deep end and put in that extra umph that makes it so pretty much that experts in the field would get, while those that don't would be mystified as if they were kids.
Sadly writers aren't experts in the fields that they talk about and don't go that far in, lest they lose their audience in translation.
So we get another poorly done iteration of Schroedinger's cat.

>> No.17192458

>>17192431
If you are eating good burgers then the appropriate amounts and types of condiments will only improve them. I am regretting the food analogy though, these things never go over well.

no excuse for crustless white bread though, that is disgraceful.

>> No.17192459

I am nearing the end of ChronoBox, and to tell the truth I am too depressed to continue this. Because I can't see anything beside a horriable bad end for all the characters, as the game's promotion said, the truth behind the story is a really " cruel " one.

Fans or Danganronpa will love this game though, it has the same feel of despair happening to a huge likable cast.

>> No.17192474

>>17192363
Yeah but he doesn't do it by choice.
It's like calling a girl a slut because she was raped and didn't enjoy the raping.

>> No.17192475

>>17192458
> then the appropriate amounts and types of condiments will only improve them
I swear americans should be banned from cooking.

>> No.17192476

>>17192431
Sounds like you are eating bad ketchup. Ketchup can only improve the meat taste, no matter its quality.

>> No.17192494

>>17192363
It's not. It is to you because you only see it in porn.

>> No.17192503

>>17192494
Explain a realistic scenario where crossdressing isn't used for something related to sex.

>> No.17192512

>>17192233
CUBE's games are boring as shit even for moege standards (Hulotte is just a sister brand of CUBE). I don't have anything against people who like them, though. The imouto in moteyaba was cute after all.

>> No.17192513

>>17192503
You are trying to sneak into an all-girls school to sneak a peek at their panties.

>> No.17192527

>>17192503
Cosplay.

>> No.17192528

>>17192512
Clearly you haven't read Natsu no Ame.

>> No.17192534

>>17192475
is this some sort of /ck/ meme backlash from the constant steak with ketchup shitposting? or are we all trying to pretend we eat like three star chefs every day? not even american and it's not like i'm marinating the fucking thing in it either.

but i can already see shit's spiraling out of control into offtopic bullshit so polite sage and let's end it here, shall we?

to be more relevant, I am having a lot of fun with ChronoBox due to going in virtually blind but so far my biggest fear is that at some point it will try to take itself seriously.

>> No.17192536

>>17192527
Selling your body for fame and/or money is inherently sexual and people will get off at the picture.

>> No.17192546

>>17192376
I haven't played this game but I feel I can concur with other games I've played.

Moege is played for the cute girls, but you still want something there, like a build to the relationship, a reason for them to get together, rather than a sex bot.
I'd get if they liked him for some reason or maybe something happened before the game started.
There are games where somebody falls in love or just likes somebody for no reason.
It's weird and odd, it's like the writer just said fuck it I don't wanna think something up. It ultimately ruins a sweet relationship.

>> No.17192557

>>17192168
Is Masada to blame?

>> No.17192569

>>17192503
Gender dysphoria.

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>>17192503
The main character in the game has to crossdress to get into the boarding school for girls as he has no money and no relstives to looks after hin and go to normal school.
Without it he would have to get a job as a teen and his future and dreams are fucked.

>> No.17192583

>>17192569
That's way beyond crossdressing and nowadays leads to a sex change.

>> No.17192594

>>17192527
>>17192569
Both fetishes.

>> No.17192595

>>17192580
>has to crossdress to get into the boarding school for girls
That's 99% of these games and is always incredibly stupid.

>> No.17192598

>>17192594
Gender dysphoria is not necessarily a fetish. In the case of autogynes, depression can turn into gender dysphoria, but this is not the case for all people who have gender dysphoria.

>> No.17192604

>>17192595
What about a girl crossdressing as a boy to get into an all-girls school?

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>>17192595
You wanted a reason and you got it.
Dire situations call for dire actions.

He wants his future.
He wants to graduate.
He wants to live on like his family wanted.
Not sulk around.

>> No.17192628

>>17192405

The main problem is that the writers literally remove everything but don't add anything. That makes the whole game empty, as almost nothing is left.

As for the protag being boring or whatever, that's kinda normal and was not my personal issue. (I'm the guy who started this I suppose) Sure, if he had been better, then the SoL would've worked more as well, but I do think there were more issues around, mainly that the writers tried to avoid writing. The game was very quota written. Heck, the main chunk of the games are routes anyway, and he has a girlfriend there, so him being a bit of a doormat or whatever won't be the biggest issue for long.

My issue was really mostly plot-related which isn't worth discussing, as it's a minor part of the game and not why you'd play a moege for. Doesn't excuse it being shit and not making sense, but whatsoever. So to make it short: The way the protagonist ends up acting clashes with the main story idea. A guy who literally faints because he feels to bad about using a ceremony to attract girls probably wouldn't even have used one to begin with. Especially given that it's obviously another of those "nice to everybody" kind of guys you know from almost all moege. It felt so weird and inconsistent.
Sure, he also had some annoying inner thoughts here and there, but whatever. The game is mostly about nothing. So guess what his thought will be? "HELL YEAH, SHE SMILED AT ME." Nothing else happening, so... yeah. Honestly... he was just an idiot. In a lot of ways.

>> No.17192643

>>17191403
>Kureha was literally made for hatefucks
Wait, you mean you don't want to be stepped on by her while telling you how pathetic you are?

>> No.17192654

>>17192643
That can still be a hatefuck.

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>>17192595
Yeah but what if you give a tragic, moving backstory behind his need to go to a school for girls?

>> No.17192669

>>17192405
Japs loves the whole underdog 弱者 thing to beign with.

>> No.17192677

>>17192643
I do but after the 12th time in a row she throws you and the people you care about under a bus that feeling started to disappear real quick

>> No.17193020

>>17189464
I didn't really get the same fix from Pure Connect and Loverable as much because of bigger harem focus. Is Love Delation the same?

>> No.17193099

>reading EGs reviews
>see this
>冗長に思うところはスキップで飛ばしました
You're not safe anywhere

>> No.17193125

>>17193099
I do that sometimes, like the explanation of something I already know and similar stuff.
Seriously I'm not reading an explanation on schrodinger's cat ever again.

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>>17192677
Did you forget why she did it? Are you saying you won't accept her love?

>> No.17193202

>>17192628
Visual novels are obviously not for you.

>> No.17193217

>>17193155
Just because I understand reasons doesn't mean I have to accept them. I'm also saying I want her to accept MY love, all the way down to the back of her throat.

i'm being facetious for the record here. she does exude that particular hatefuckable aura, however. it could go either way. hell, it should've. real missed opportunity there.

couldn't they just have tied mermaid people down and forced them to marathon those thai insurance ads or something? or that futurama episode with Fry's dog, that always works

>> No.17193274

>>17193202

They are. Not sure why you'd even think so.

>> No.17193378

>>17183398
I gave up almost immediately during the trial because of how unpolished and outright bad some of the music and background art is. But then it turned out to be pretty fun. And I want to uncover the mystery now. I bet this is actually a mystery game.

I specifically like how the heroines seem to have lives going on even when they aren't shown on screen. But it's strange that one of the heroines is the protagonists ex girlfriend. And another heroine has a boyfriend. I didn't know that was allowed.

>> No.17193392

>>17193378
What I meant to say is that I almost gave up, but kept playing.

>> No.17193473

>>17193217

(Hard Istoria spoilers, don't read if you haven't cleared the true end, trust me)

Well I was also half-joking, I mean at the end I went "Why the fuck didn't he kill her?" but after thinking it through, even though I don't accept her reasons either, she does have them and she did it out of care for the MC and her love for the ningyouhime as a whole, even though the means are twisted as fuck. There's also her unknown past and it's implied that she also suffered a lot, which in turn made her abandon her tears. Eishi was the only one who could get her so pumped up to the point of crying once again. All of which made her and their relationship so interesting for me.

I think Lucle also thought the same, which is why he didn't kill her. You could say the true end is Kureha's end in a way, since as a ningyouhime Eishi will keep Kureha entertained for a good while. But I can see that being completely disappointing for those who completely hated Kureha.

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17194255

>>17193473
They do establish Kureha's motivations pretty early on is the thing. She keeps saying she's in it for the entertainment and the funny thing is she actually means it; they keep hinting it'll go the whole 'oh but deep down she's really a good person' tough boss cliche and she encourages this line of thinking, and then every time Eishi (and me) fell for it. The poker game with her maid where Eishi loses everything I ended up audibly yelling out FUCK! because they got me, hard. Probably should have seen it coming but they made things very persuasive in the moment.

Honestly though I was surprised they made her the last boss of sorts, literally everything else had been building up World's Worst Dad as final boss and so when he finally ate it (I wish Yuura had gotten to use her bat) it felt over for the most part, the rest of the stuff felt like loose ends to me. That's why I burned out, one too many emotional climaxes.


I actually liked all that about her however, and I liked her character a great deal. She was an interesting unknown. And here I am whining that the MC didn't fuck her.

Really though, Lucle needs to stop making best girls unromanceable.

>> No.17194340
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17194340

>>17194255
>They do establish Kureha's motivations pretty early on is the thing. She keeps saying she's in it for the entertainment and the funny thing is she actually means it; they keep hinting it'll go the whole 'oh but deep down she's really a good person' tough boss cliche and she encourages this line of thinking, and then every time Eishi (and me) fell for it.

Yeah, and I thought that was brilliant. It was indeed really emotionally taxing. Some people say it bordered on tragedy porn but in the end it makes sense because that's how she planned it all out. And yes, the fact that the game keeps hinting she might have good intentions made me feel completely toyed by her, I really could feel Eishi's pain and confusion. I finished it pretty tired emotionally.

But I'd say in reality she's much more of a "true neutral" character rather than evil; they even say a few times that she's an unpredictable mix of good and evil. Her intentions aren't inherently good or bad (although her means can definitely be seen as evil) but just plainly egoist, and how she puts it, truly hedonist. She was driven both by love and sadism. She was completely different from Eishi's father, who was your traditional one-dimensional bad guy.

She also implied several times that she had a genuine interest in Eishi and that she would've loved him back if he had decided to keep loving her even after knowing about the doku-ringo effect (can't know if true though, it's hard to trust her after all of that). Which confused Eishi's (and my) love/hate relationship with her even more. I thought that was brilliant too.


>Really though, Lucle needs to stop making best girls unromanceable.
I agree, Ringo's case was just evil. I've come to the conclusion that he's simply sadistic.

But I've also come to think that unrequited love is also a possibility when telling a story, as it's part of life too. Eroge often tries to avoid the fact that love doesn't always work out, so we get confused when it doesn't. I know I do. At first I was like Fuck Lucle but then I came to accept what he was trying to do.

...I still wanted to romance her though.

>> No.17194350

>>17194340
Also just to add to the love part, in the bad end (don't know if you played it) she got really agitated when Eishi was trying to kill himself, that reinforced the idea that she did care about him. Which feeds more into the love/hate relationship.

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>>17194340
>that pic
For once they did the 'temptress' archetype right, it wasn't so much that I could understand why Eishi was so intoxicated by Kureha that I was right there with him. Which was essential to making the story work, there were a few times after I'd put down the game and gone over the events and I'd thought 'what the fuck, why do you still even put up with her, anything is better than this' but any time I'd be reading everything she said just seemed to make sense.

She's almost an addiction for him, she's making his life actively worse but he can't give it up for that temporary high. Like poker. And the doku-ringo. Eishi's pretty consistent, if nothing else.


I'm glad you liked it, it's amazing to me to think about the kind of knife edge the story hangs over. If Kureha was even slightly less of an interesting/fascinating character or Eishi a bit less of a woobie or Kukuri slightly less lovely, the whole thing falls apart because suddenly you the reader aren't willing to put up with their bullshit and neither can you understand why other characters would either.

I've got a fair chunk of things to bitch about with Lucle but I love the way he does characters, and that alone makes me forgive an awful lot.

>...I still wanted to romance her though.
Yeah. With you on that one. I mean I know it's just the childish part of me getting mad I can't have everything. It just feels bad. Which is good, I guess. That's probably what he was going for. But damn, it really does feel bad. Lucle seems to want to specifically target people with that 'I want to make everyone happy' mentality (like myself) and then kick them in the dick.

fuck that chapter 8 choice in Istoria, that was the absolute worst. I wanted to see that shitty dad's head caved in.

>> No.17194442 [SPOILER] 
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17194442

>>17194350
I didn't read the bad end but maybe I should, now that I've had some time to sit on the whole thing and digest it. Shouldn't have done the side routes, I burned out too soon.

That stupid goddamn dyke in Yuura's route killed a lot of my motivation, they spent a lot of time explaining her motivations and everything but that didn't mean I had to accept it, to reuse a phrase. She nearly ruined everything and then gets away scot-free and everyone forgives her.

I wonder, if Istoria wasn't an eroge, if she would've been written as an actual guy. And then if you take the Yuura/Yurugi path, she (him, I guess) ends up "comforting" Sayo. Because goddamn, half the problems in the entire game could've been solved if only she had had a penis.

>> No.17194446

>>17171354
Padding to meet length quotas is the only thing holding vns back. Uninspired hacks forcing themselves to write beyond their means.

>> No.17194453

CUTE
https://youtu.be/asvy5GL8RAU

>> No.17194478

>>17194446
>Uninspired hacks forcing themselves to write beyond their means
Christ, this. If there's anything worse to sit through than "battle of wits written by someone not very bright" I've yet to see it.

>> No.17194486

>>17171354
>gameplay is holding back games
>instruments are holding back music
>language is holding back literature

>> No.17194600
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17194600

Was taking a look at 遺作 the other day inspired from a post by another anon. It made me remember all those graphical adventures from the nineties. Investigating, going back and forth, is great fun. The frustration of getting stuck is overcome by the greater joy of finding the puzzle piece that let's you continue with the story. In this case, you can also start losing girls left and right and being "punished?" with her rape videos.

>> No.17194936

>>17194442
Bad end isn't too long, half an hour tops I think. But it's still pretty relevant, although it covers a lot of stuff that's already explained in the true end, but still worth it. It's satisfying in some other ways.

Oh right, Inori, jesus christ, I forgot about her. She was so shit. And useless. I laughed at the pic because I also laughed at that scene, it was so shitty. What is wrong with her.

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17195054

I know I didn't seem bothered before but I keep thinking of the h scene in tanteiseven.
It's not a spoiler. It's on their homepage and trial only.

I feel so sorry and bad about it.
She outright loves him and asks for a kiss, and he refuses. Not only that but harshly.
Instead of a kiss he gathers and droops his saliva in her mouth and to says to take it as a kiss.
She loves him so much she considers it her first kiss.

I feel so fucking bad.
Especially since he was raping her at the time. And the writer just ruined his kind character into a rapist completely ruining what the normal set up.

My heart feels bad...

>> No.17195084

>>17195054
Japs love treating girls like shit, if you're a gaijin you'll never get it.

>> No.17195086

>>17195054
Damn that's pretty fucked up. Like I'm okay with douchey MC's, but if he was doing that to a heroine I even had any shred of positive feelings towards I would despise him.

>> No.17195347

>>17195084
>>17195086
I mean i get if it was a nukige but he's actually a nice person and somewhat protective of her.
That made it even more bullshit.

>> No.17195392

What are your thoughts on chachamaru and maouhen?
I've heard people put it on level to muramasa.

>> No.17195396

>>17195392
Needed a full final fight instead of what we got.

>> No.17195558

What's the point of installation when you can just use folders?

I just did a clean install of windows 8.1 with my games on another partitioned hard drive.
I can play the games normally.
I don't have to install or anything, just access the directories and exe of the game.
What's the point of installing, isos or even patches?
You can just zip the directory and send it around.

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>>17195558

Not all games will work like that. Kirikiri is usually fine. But all the willplus stuff (or rather their engine that's used by Pulltop and whatnot) wants to put important stuff into your reg. Not sure how well those would work without that.

As for why install? That's usually for comfort for the user. A patch automatically knows where the game is located, an uninstall function is available to easily remove the game's components but, for example, keep the save-files if you want to and so on. Not everyone knows enough to do this themselves.

>> No.17195636

>>17195558
Some patches don't work unless the game is actually installed.

>> No.17195656

>>17195558
The point is that Windows' software system is absolute shit. Every other modern OS has better software management. Microsoft tried to fix it with this store but it's not working so well either.

>> No.17195678

>>17195632
Yeah i'm assuming the registry might be factor.
There doesn't seem to be any concrete proof for that though.
All the games I tested worked.
Registries could probably be altered but not sure how the node tree works for windows, if you could just put something back in.

>>17195636
You patch the exe or game directory file, unless the registry or some other file is used. I don't really see why it wouldn't work.

>> No.17195756

What do I need to do to get Tinkerbell games to display the text properly? I remember people talking about some games requiring Japanese timezone and date format but it didn't help.

>> No.17195762

Finished reading 神様のゲーム. It was a huge bore, so boring I started skipping thru h-scenes just to see the ending, only to find that there was no ending. It ends on a sequel hook. Nothing gets resolved. Why was this kusoge so praised?

>> No.17195819

>>17195678
Because some detect if the game has been installed normally in the registry.

>> No.17195876

>>17191403
>>17192654
Has there even been any actual hatesex in eroge? Not the "falling in love halfway through" kind or the aheochi kind, actual hatesex.

>> No.17195927

>>17195678
>There doesn't seem to be any concrete proof for that though.
the pic that anon posted is all the proof you need. if you don't want to believe what everyone has already told you then that's on you but no one is lying

>> No.17195936

>>17195876
Hild and Leo have some incredibly weird sex scene in Hikari no Valusia, not really hate but it was fucked up and loveless.

>> No.17195977

>>17195876
I can't remember the title, but someone here mentioned a nukige like that here. I think the story went something like some girls bully the protags imouto and she ends up killing herself and then the protag goes after those girls.

>> No.17196065

>>17195876
I was thinking of asking this.
I thought this was my post for a sec.
I want hate sex like a tsuntsun girl and the protagonist or just two people hate eachother have angry hate sex.

>> No.17196081

What's a really short moege/comedy/SOL/etc game?
Like 5-10 hours long. Shooort.

>> No.17196093
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>>17196081

Pretty much only doujin games. And there are too many to name really.

>> No.17196100

>>17196081
I literally just found a game i was thinking of playing since it's cute. Also it's short.
Hasukoi syndrome

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17196132

>>17196100
But yeah seriously I'm downloading it now

>> No.17196162

>>17196093
I know that's a bullhorn, but I first thought that was her leg and she was crouching or putting her legs aroubd something with the white and lightning bolt being her kneesock.

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Hi there,

Apologies for the off-topic posting but I'm here on behalf of the /jp/ soccer team for 4chan cup, where boards are represented as teams. (See the webm as an example).

We were interested in finding something to represent the Untranslated VN thread on the team since it's been a long running and sadly unrepresented general and were hoping you guys could give us an idea of what would be best. Some kind of character or meme or concept, whatever works best.

Here's a link to to the team page where you can find out more and see current rep examples: https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//jp/

Again sorry for the intrusion, have a nice day.

>> No.17196259 [DELETED] 

>>17196255
Fuck
Off

>> No.17196317

New

>>17196314

>> No.17196319 [DELETED] 

>>17196255
I pretty much only play moege other than some mystery and random stuff like danganronpa, can't say much.

We have some titles that many of us seem to like.
Fureraba, seems to be the most talked about for moege and a year or so back got a few people worked up about hanasaki work spring and got the name uwaki workspring.

After that probably maybe chaos child and sakura no uta. Matetsu was also pretty popular here, somebody even went to visit Japanese trains if I recall correctly.

Lately we've been arguing about harems, if ero ruins eroge and /djt/ questioning being rampant.

>> No.17196332 [DELETED] 

>>17196255
If you want a theme you could represent the eroge general as being against ero which seems to be a hot topic.
It's somewhat comedic, contradictory and somewhat on point.

>> No.17196387 [DELETED] 

>>17196255
Since this thread is dying, might as well as give some ideas. Look for older titles that is somewhat usually discussed like maybe Yuno, To Heart, Doukyuusei. Don't know about how to represent whatever is happening in the threads but it's usually active on months when there's titles from known writers or companies released on said month. Other than that, it's just the usual shitposting of asking what eroge has x or /djt/ questions and experiences. Kind of like your angry grandpa.

>> No.17196399 [DELETED] 

>>17196319
>>17196332
>>17196387
It should totally be Tamaki. I can't think of a more infamous character than her.

>> No.17196426 [DELETED] 

>>17196399
We don't tall about her mucb though. Other than few who mention her.
Even saya from miagete gets talked about more.

>> No.17196439 [DELETED] 

>>17196426
We've been talking about her for years

>> No.17196611

>>17195977
Was it Yabai?

>> No.17197570

>>17195347
I mentioned it with MusuMaker but the guys at DigitalCute are total assholes, you should expect worse later.

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