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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17095820

This thread is for the discussion and learning of Japanese with raw VNs, LNs, anime and manga.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Let's have a nice thread by reporting and ignoring off-topic posts.
がんばってゆっくりしていってね!!!

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>> No.17118456

おはよう皆さん

>> No.17118492

>>17118456
グッモーニン

>> No.17118633

>>17118456
オッス

>> No.17118657

I haven't read anything in days. I just keep procrastinating by doing anki.

Just thought you guys should know.

>> No.17118698

Just finished mu first vn axanael. Anyone have any suggestions for another easy and interesting vn.

>> No.17118713

>>17118657
Anki is a supplementary review tool, it shouldnt be your sole consumption of japanese.

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>>17118698

>> No.17118765

>>17118713
Ergo why it was said procrastinating.

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>>17118722
Stop posting the horrible mutilated version of this chart. It's not good in any way. All you're doing is giving people crappy suggestions.

>> No.17119021 [DELETED] 

>>17118722
>>17118789
>Why don't we basically list every single VN that's not Dies Irae, Muramasa or Mareni stuff? That's what those charts are doing.

>> No.17119028

>>17118722
>>17118789
Why don't we basically list every single VN that's not Dies Irae, Muramasa or Mareni stuff? That's what those charts are doing.

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>>17119028
If only there was some chart that predicted this problem and generally aimed to list genres instead of specific titles...
...oh wait!

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>>17119129
reality is a comedy unto its own nature, more nuanced and supreme than any mockery of humor we shall ever attempt to put to text

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Is the guy salty about me recommending Imouto Sae Ireba Ii as a paragon of degeneracy still here? If so, I offer to make peace by recommending the title 過保護な妹は兄さんが好きすぎて毎日エロエロ甘やかしたい! in its stead. I think the title alone should carry enough weight, no more needs to be said. Good reading, lad.

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僕 is shit-tier

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僕() is shit-tier

>> No.17119172

>>17119168
You deleted it just to add blank parens?

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>>17119162
I've actually come to generally prefer 僕 to 俺 after consuming a metric fuckload of Japanese media. Naturally it varies on a case by case basis but so many "hotblooded protagonists" or "harem protagonists" use 俺 I've begun to associate it with boring or generic characters, whereas 僕 usually indicates a character's going to have a little more depth and be more relaxed which I look forward to.

>> No.17119244

If you get a card wrong, it stops being 'mature' right?

>> No.17119266

>>17119244
Yes.

>> No.17119367

鉄拳の女性はすばらしいオシリがある

>> No.17119454

Instead of memorizing all of a kanji's meanings and readings at once, I'm learning readings and meanings word by word. Is this wrong?

>> No.17119458

>>17119454
This is the opposite of wrong.

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>>17119458
Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

>> No.17119509

Is the only way to reset the order of cards in a deck to their default state to delete and then reimport the deck anew?

>> No.17119527

Am I blind or is 僕のヒーローアカデミア not in the CoR?

>> No.17119544

How much of tae Kim should I do before I start to try reading?

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PSA since people were talking about subtitles in the previous thread.

I never bothered sharing this here since I figured someone else would but it seems it's not known here yet. User kaegi on koohii has created "aligner", a program to automatically retime subtitles based on existing ones. Which has great use for us since there often are subs available on kitsunekko but they aren't timed properly. This fixes all of the problems by letting you download an English release then auto-retiming the JP subs with the EN ones as a base.

Find the download and instructions here: http://forum.koohii.com/thread-14388.html

If you use this tool to retime subs to an English release, upload them to kitsunekko and state which release you have them timed to! This will save others the (small) effort of even using aligner in the first place.

>> No.17119558

>>17119544
Preferably all of it. Tae Kim is not that long, and it's pretty much just the basics to be honest.

>> No.17119562

>>17119544
You can start trying to read as soon as you want, but a good rule of thumb is that as soon as you start feeling like Tae Kim is a chore or hard to remember you should start trying to read, because trying to read will solidify the concepts you've started reading. Of course, you won't /actually be able to read fluidly/ until you've sunk a lot of effort into trying to read, so don't get your hopes up thinking you'll blaze through Majikoi or anything, but it's very important to expose yourself to things.

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Finally reached 2k. I'm gonna miss the pictures and Fem Speaker A.

>> No.17119645

I'm doing the Kangxi radicals deck and don't understand what the thin and thick lines, and hooks mean. Are they supposed to show me the stroke order? How does one interprete that stuff?

>> No.17119666

>>17119645
That's just their idea of good font design. There's rules, but they're basically not important to anyone, just like why what letters have what serifs where in Latin alphabet fonts.

>> No.17119694

>>17119666
That's a relief, thank you.

>> No.17119741

>don't know what symbol means
>don't know what the English word means
It's like a double humiliation.

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>>17119741

>> No.17119824

Hey, newfag here. Is there a pdf or some shit of the genki series?

>> No.17119827

>>17119824
Nope, they exist only as stone carvings located in the lost library of Alexandria.

>> No.17119830

>>17119563
Honestly, letting go of the male speaker was way harder. Too much charisma.

>> No.17119834

>>17119827
Ah, I see. どうもありがとうございます

>> No.17119849

I know there isn't necessarily a "right" way to learn, but so far I've memorized the Kana, and started reading Tae Kim and JTMW. Occasionally looking something up in the DOBJG if I don't get it. I don't really want to do Heisig or anything similar so I plan to jump straight into reading once I finish the grammar guides. Also as I come across vocab words in the grammar guides I save them in flashcards in Akebi. This is probably not very efficient, but I figured I might as well do it. My question though is should I incorporate anki into my routine some way? Like is it actually a necessity?

>> No.17119857

Is it a mug or a cup?

>> No.17119869

>>17119824
mediafire.com/?4dsxbexuv92xvuj
mediafire.com/?orjq8jfja8lj4aq
mediafire.com/?u4ab7xyd2pgi0k7
mediafire.com/?bjzhrte35es2e4z
mediafire.com/?2apq4wv4j2rs9qu
mediafire.com/?a2t5giuv35if4gm
mediafire.com/?mm77vpi9731okst
mediafire.com/?6l55tomt2bnhrqq
mediafire.com/?b0m4063od4ghcfm
mediafire.com/?102h82qhflktjdt

>> No.17119873

>>17119849
Flashcards are not optional unless you come from a language which already has kanji.

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>>17119489

>> No.17119891

>>17119849
>Heisig
Literally worse than anything else you could do.

>Akebi
What?

>> No.17119948

>>17119891
>Literally worse than anything else you could do.
why? Not the same guy but I'm ~500 in, am I fucked somehow?

>> No.17119949

>>17119948
No, the "Heisig is bad" memers are just being retarded as is the norm here.

>> No.17119954

>>17119948
Heisig is the worst kanji study resource. It's worse in every single way than every single kanji resources that has come after it. The only reason anyone uses it is because of meme momentum. If you're only 500 kanji in, consider it an entertaining diversion, maybe one that helped your brain recognize kanji as things instead of piles of lines, but don't put too much effort into it, it's garbage.

>>17119949
Maybe look at literally a single other kanji resource and make an objective comparison out of it. Heisig is just plain awful.

>> No.17119958

>>17119949
You can't learn japanese.

>> No.17119975

>>17119954
What should I switch to?

>> No.17119978

>>17119975
Preferably nothing at all, but if you absolutely insist on doing kanji study you should do KKLC or one of the other non-RTK Kanji books in the CoR. As long as you don't continue doing RTK you'll have light at the other end of the tunnel.

>> No.17119982

>>17119954
>>17119958
As I said, retards.

But the biggest retard is the one listening to the retards.

>> No.17119986

>>17119982
- Promotes pseudoscience about how memory works.
- Promises a course to help people remember something they don't understand. Which is bad enough as it is, but people Like You actually buy into this garbage and spend years not learning Japanese. Even the idiot who ordered Core 2k/6k bought into it. He's been at this for a long time and still doesn't have a basic fluency on the language, all because he bought into RTK and structured his entire mindset for learning Japanese around it.
- Doesn't teach you anything you can use to actually understand Japanese in any way. At all. No vocabulary. Not even readings or concepts.
- Keywords are not concepts. Heisig's keywords are among the worst labels anyone has given the Kanji.
- Doesn't even give stroke direction/order, just tells you which strokes happen in what order in what components.
- The order is fucking retarded.

Not a single other kanji resource else has all of these problems. Every Single Other Kanji Resource avoids committing At Least One of these errors, usually avoiding three or more. RTK is fucking garbage and people need to stop spreading it like some kind of drug or religion. No, RTK isn't being bullied because someone spread negative copypasta about it. It's just plain bad, objectively, no room for argument. Yes, I know this makes you very mad, but it's the truth. Stop spreading garbage.

>> No.17119990

>>17119982
You are the retard. Fuck off.

>> No.17120009

それ見たことか

>> No.17120113

It's time to practice listening comprehension by watching the site admin spend all the ad revenue money on mobile games!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54EhSD5UkDA

>> No.17120134

Is Pai Touch hard to read? Just starting out but that VN gets me going without knowing the "plot".

>> No.17120195

>>17120134
The only decently 'popular' VN that stand out with regards to reading 'difficulty' are those railsoft games by Mareni, you are probably fine with everything else. The only popular light novel that stands out is denpa onna so avoid that as well for a few years.

>> No.17120244

>>17119986
>He's been at this for a long time and still doesn't have a basic fluency on the language

neither do you texthooker-kun

>> No.17120246

>>17120244
I don't even read VNs.

>> No.17120249

>>17120244
you believe in boogeymans

>> No.17120253

>- Promises a course to help people remember something they don't understand. Which is bad enough as it is, but people Like You actually buy into this garbage and spend years not learning Japanese. Even the idiot who ordered Core 2k/6k bought into it. He's been at this for a long time and still doesn't have a basic fluency on the language, all because he bought into RTK and structured his entire mindset for learning Japanese around it.

This is something I always wondered. I've been interested in learning japanese for a long time now and I read some stuff here and there before but it was only recently that I got time to study japanese (university kills you) and the guy is always there giving you advice to use this and that he made, but I've never seen proof that he actually knows japanese.

Whatever, Core is the biggest bore ever.

>> No.17120255

>>17120244

you're not even learning japanese, you just get upset at imagined enemies

>> No.17120261

>>17120253
He didn't really *make* Core, just shat out a reordering of it based on misunderstanding language acquisition research. Whatever, it's low grade harm compared to what happened to him.

>> No.17120279

>>17120261
Oh, I know. Sorry if that was a pointless comment, I just meant to say that no matter the order, it's boring, at least for me since I can't retain a thing from self-made cards.

What happened though?

>> No.17120287

>>17119891
Its just a dictionary app basically. I keep my books on my tablet so as I read the grammar guides I just save the words I come across in different vocab lists.

>> No.17120303

>>17120279
He fell for the koohii community's interpretation of RTK and spent all his time doing optimizing the learning process, revolving around RTK, Anki, and other forms of structured learning, instead of actually learning japanese. Basically the full set of mistakes that ankidrones make, but without being a mere ankidrone who would at least learn all those words.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/4osrrb/core_2k6k_using_rtk_order/d4fe9jf/

>> No.17120324

>>17120303
just dug this up
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/5yeffj/people_who_learned_japanese_what_was_your_timeline/deqtmdc/
depressing

>Use English subtitles during subs2srs to speed up the sentence comprehension process during the learning phase.

>> No.17120325

>>17120303
He knows 3000 words? He has made several thousand forum posts and knows less words than I do after 15 months and I consider myself a slow learner. Man anyone who looks like they are trying to make a name for themselves on any forum is retarded

>> No.17120336

>>17120325
the guy you're replying to has made several thousand djt posts and has a similar vocabulary

>> No.17120349

who gives a fuck who made yalls idiot cards

>> No.17120368

>>17120336
I've only made several hundred DJT posts, excuse me, and have a pathetic vocabulary of two thousand words. I've only been studying for four months.

>> No.17120420

how much kanji do I need to know to understand people's tattoos with a ~90% rate?

do you guys use a pen or a (mechanical) pencil to write japanese?

>> No.17120432

>>17120420
what the fuck

>> No.17120444

>>17120336
the idiot you're thinking of knows enough to translate without a dictionary so I'm pretty sure it would come well over 3000 words

>> No.17120514

>>17120420
~90% of kanji innit m8

>> No.17120523

>>17120514
surely there must be a corpus of kanji tattoos which I could use to reduce that amount

>> No.17120535

>>17120523
My professional guess based on experience is 愛 will give you about 50%. I've also seen 危.

>> No.17120544

>日本酒と鮭の皮はこたえられん
I don't understand こたえられん. Is it an inflection of 応える with んだ?

>> No.17120558

>>17120544
堪えられない

>> No.17120563

>>17120544
堪えられない

>> No.17120570

>>17120544
堪えられるかもしれんな

>> No.17120572

>>17120558
>>17120563
サンキュー~

>> No.17120573

>brutish rape protagonist in a dark porn game occasional drops phrases like 至れり尽くせり and makes me feel dumb for not knowing them

>> No.17120584

>>17120573
yah you gotta up your hentai語 game homeboy

>> No.17120631

>>17120573
>至れり尽くせり

pretty sure this was like the 20th word in hanahira

>> No.17120649

>>17120303
So you shouldn't drill core vocab with flashcards?

>> No.17120658

>>17120631
I haven't read Hanahira.

>> No.17120661

>>17120658
neat

>> No.17120786

>>17120324
Wow. I always thought he was good at Japanese.

>> No.17120874

I want to learn Japanese

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>>17120874

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>> No.17120902

So apparently 草葉の陰から can be used by a person that's not about to die. Does it mean something like "behind the shadows" in that case?

>> No.17120956

>>17120786
Me too

>> No.17120990

I finally started learning Kanji but I'm super confused about anki.

I installed it, I downloaded the core 2k/6k deck and then I started my daily practice but... it wants me to memorize 20 new words. Except these words seem to be completely arbitrary and complex, like "ambulance" or "paper money" or whatnot. I will never be able to memorize 20 new arbitrary words + symbols every day.

Am I missing something here? Wouldn't make more sense to start from more everyday words like "me", "you", "sky", "car", "dog", "cat", etc etc? Is the deck randomized and I just got bad luck or what?

I feel like I'm not understanding this Anki deck properly.

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>>17120990
>I will never be able to memorize 20 new arbitrary words + symbols every day.
Oh, thats quite alright.

>> No.17121042

>>17121020
Please explain. Are premade anki decks a meme?

Before attempting this routine, I used to just make my own deck with new kanji I stumbled upon when reading random stuff (like manga or random Japanese text). I built up something like 50-60 kanji that I can recognize and I go through every day and I add 5-6 new ones (no more, as I think more than that is too much per day).

That seemed to work well, but I realized that I'm basically just adding specific words I encounter in a specific environment (read: manga) and might not be a good choice. I wanted to go through more common kanji in a similar way as kids and teenager learn in school. I'm sure they don't start with "ambulance" and "paper money", do they?

I just feel like I'm not doing it right, but everyone is recommending this 2k/6k anki deck and I'm confused.

>> No.17121046

>>17120786
At least he doesn't need to know Japanese to at least acknowledge his contributions. But it'll most likely be used as shitposting fodder for anti-Ankifags.

Being an Ankidrone and only knowing 3000 words is fucking weird though.

>> No.17121058 [DELETED] 

>>17120887
nihongo de ok

>> No.17121064

>>17121042
Core2K/6K starts off with numbers and days of the week. You fucked it up somehow. Check the deck options and make sure the order is not random.

Everyone with experience agrees that mining decks are more efficient than pre-made decks. People only use pre-made decks because they find it easier in the beginning. I don't know why you are referring to mining 'kanji', but you should be mining whole words like the Core cards.

>> No.17121071

>>17121042
It sounds like you're doing Core2k6k out of order, check your settings. What you were doing previously is commonly referred to here as "mining", and it's the recommended next step after you finish Core2k.

>> No.17121081

>>17121064
>You fucked it up somehow. Check the deck options and make sure the order is not random.

All I did was download the core 2k/6k and import it into AnkiDroid. The only thing I changed was to put new words in front. I don't really see any "shuffle" option.

>I don't know why you are referring to mining 'kanji', but you should be mining whole words like the Core cards.
I really just need anki for kanji and not strictly for vocab. I have a very good memory and I usually can retain a word simply by looking it up on the dictionary. What I struggle with is actually remembering the kanji itself.

>it's the recommended next step after you finish Core2k.

What does "finish" mean? That I will know all 2k words from the anki deck by memory? Does one stop doing reviews on the 2k deck at that point or do they add/mine new kanji on top of that?

>> No.17121085

>>17121081
Err.. last quote for >>17121071

>> No.17121088

>>17121042
You have to make sure you also do not get a screwed up deck. I recall downloading Core 2k and beginning with words like 横断歩道 until I found another copy of it on reddit, which, contrary to my expectations, worked. The first cards should be things like 一 二 三 一つ 二つ 三つ etc

>> No.17121090

>>17121081
Options -> order -> "show new cards in order added"
>What does "finish" mean?
For me it meant seeing the first 2000 cards, I still kept reviewing for a while after that.

>> No.17121100

>>17121081
>I don't really see any "shuffle" option.

Browse > Select Core deck > click on Fields > Select the field you want the deck sorted > "sort by this field in the browser" > close

>> No.17121102

>>17121088
I downloaded the one linked from the djt guide in the OP, from mega.

>>17121090
>>17121100
I'll try the sorting after I'm done re-importing it, thanks.

>> No.17121108

Do you study the vocab before you review them? I feel like I forget the reading and meaning after like, one second, even when I study the card before

>> No.17121116

Is it possible the deck in the OP is fucked up and no one has reported it for a year? Any beginners here get the correct order by default with that deck?

>> No.17121118

>>17121100
>>17121090
I think I did it, it took me ages to find the option.

It was in
Deck Options > New Cards > Order > New cards in order added

Now it shows the first word is それ which I guess makes sense.

>> No.17121123

>>17121116
See
>>17121118

It was my fault (or, rather, the default ankidroid options). Maybe it's worth to add it to the djt guide.

>> No.17121130

>>17121108
Sometimes, but not always. I also changed my steps to 1 1 10 so that I see new cards an additional time.

>> No.17121152

>>17120902
Anyone?

>> No.17121154

>>17121152
Dude lying in the grass?

>> No.17121155

1 1 10 30 master race

>> No.17121160

>>17121154
It's a set phrase. This is the full sentence:
あたしが力を貸せるのはここまで。 みんな頑張ってね。 …草葉の陰から見守っているから

>> No.17121170

>>17121160
First result on google.

>> No.17121177

>>17121160
I googled the sentence and the next line seems to be
>お前らどうして必ずオチをつける!
indicating it's a joke.

>> No.17121179

>>17121170
Yeah, I know.

『草葉の陰から見守っています。』という言葉を生きてる人が使うことがふつうになってるのでしょうか?
たぶん『陰ながら応援してます。』というような意味で使っているんだと思うのですが。

But the accepted answer says this:

草葉の陰とは草の葉の下すなわち墓の下。あの世から見守るの意味です。
生きている人は使いません。陰ながらが正しい言い方です。

So which is it? Again the person who said it is not dying.

>> No.17121193

>>17121130
What's your card layout? Maybe I just suck at this

>> No.17121220

>>17121193
I just use the Core's default layout.

If you're having trouble remembering new cards, then try taking notes for new vocab and reviewing them before you do your reps the next day.

>> No.17121275

>>17121220
thanks! I'll do that!

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What does いじり倒す mean? /g/ is being mean to me.
I think it means something like "fooling around/messing around" but I can't find a solid answer that I fully understand.
I did find this:
http://www.practical-japanese.com/2011/06/blog-post_3594.html
>いじりまくる。これでもかというほど使用する。「倒す」はこの意味では「こかす」と読むのが本来的だが、現代では「いじりこかす」ではなく「いじりたおす」と読むのが一般的になりつつある。

Does this mean that it has the same meaning as いじりまくる? ..and if so, does the まくる here mean "to do a lot of"? Therefore, it means to do a lot of 弄り which is kind of like messing around/playing around?

>> No.17121327

>>17119138
So I went to try it out
>義理とはいえ妹の膣内に射精する事態だけは回避しようと守も腰を動かして怒張を抜きにかかる。が、それは予想外の刺激を互いの性器に与える結果となる。
>義理
Dropped. What is this trash, how could you recommend this garbage to me.

>> No.17121393

>>17121301
Yes. Look up just 倒す.

https://kotobank.jp/word/%E5%80%92%E3%81%99-559025
6 動詞の連用形に付いて、徹底的に…するの意を表す。「使い―・す」「遊び―・す」

>> No.17121415

>>17121393
Thank you! I only looked it up on jisho.,org and that wasn't one of the definitions. I guess I need to step up my Japanese dictionary game.

>> No.17121462

I haven't hit my quota for mined words today, but I don't feel like reading anything. If you guys could post some words I don't know, I'd really appreciate it.

>> No.17121465

>>17121462
叶わぬ時の神頼み

>> No.17121469

>>17121462
膣痙攣

>> No.17121570

>>17121462
>If you guys could post some words I don't know
友達

父親

>> No.17121576

>>17121570
映す

>> No.17121624

>>17121570
Is it bad if I didn't know one of these?

>> No.17121722

おはようおにいちゃん

おなかすいた

>> No.17121746

>>17121722
何を食べたい?

>> No.17121748
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>>17121624
its probably fine

>>17121722
1対0, 妹さん利

>> No.17121757

>>17121748
>これはマジでヤバイ
>its [sic] probably fine
どっちがほうがただしい?

>> No.17121765

>>17121570
野蛮すぎる

>> No.17121778

>>17121757
ただしいただしくないじゃないよ

くうきだよ

>> No.17121827

>だれだって、面とむかって、今夜あなたの家の隣から火事が出ますといわれて、おこらないはずはないのだ

Can yall help me understand this?

>> No.17121835

>>17121827
Which specific part?
Seems simple to me.

>> No.17121839

>>17121835
Mostly 今夜あなたの家の隣から火事が出ますといわれて、おこらないはずはないのだ.

My guess would be "You cant expect someone not to get angry when you tell them their neighbors house will go on fire"

But this just seems off to me

>> No.17121845

>>17121839
Don't translate, feel.

>> No.17121866

>>17121845
Feeling wont help me learn tho

>> No.17121872
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17121872

>>17121827
すくなくとも保険は入れないね

>> No.17121968

Getting frustrated with lack of progress

How long should it take me to be able to read children's shit somewhat comfortably?

>> No.17121972

>>17121968
depends on the difference between japanese and your native
if you were born korean, you're in luck

>> No.17121987

Why do they read 頷く as つぶやく sometimes do they mean nodding while murmuring like 'un un'

>> No.17122035

>ウチのお父さん、ガチマッスルです。観念してください
「ガチマッスル」とは意味なのか

>> No.17122050

>>17121987
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/148000/meaning/m0u/
小さい声でひとりごとを言う。
I don't think it implies anything like nodding, not from the definitions anyways.

>> No.17122060 [DELETED] 

I finished Genki II and it felt kind of lacking in the grammar department. Is there something I should read before moving on to Tobira and Shin Kanzen Master N3?

>> No.17122123

The CoR doesn't have any games recommendations that are not VNs?

Do you guys recommend any video game?
For example, what was the first game you played in Japanese.

>> No.17122131

>>17122123
taiko no tatsujin

>> No.17122189

is there a reason why in も you don't draw the horizontal strokes first? like you do in まきさ etc.

>> No.17122196

>>17122189
DO NOT QUESTION STROKE ORDER

>> No.17122197

>>17122189
it goes the other direction

>> No.17122213
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17122213

>>17122035
これかな

>> No.17122275

>>17121570

鮬(せいご)

沙魚
鰓蓋
柳葉魚

胸鰭
擲つ

>> No.17122299

>>17122213
多分だろう

>> No.17122350
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17122350

>>17122275
Are you planning to go to Japan and become a fisherman?

>> No.17122408

>>17122350
It's gonna be a long journey.
http://people.physics.anu.edu.au/~mxk121/research/data/sakana.html

>> No.17122486

>>17122350
そういうゆのみ

もってるよ

おばーちゃんが

寿司屋からもらったのをもらった

>> No.17122535

>>17122408
why does this physicist guy have a list of birds and fish?

>> No.17122623

>>17122535
keep your friends close...

>> No.17122697

>>17122535
みっつだけ

みっつだけあんきしてね

鰻eel
鮭salmon
鮪tuna

>> No.17122708

>>17122697

>> No.17122740
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17122740

>>17122708

>> No.17123052

does the 仕草 for sorry have a name? its single open hand, fingers together, like you're about to chop yourself in the chest

>> No.17123096
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17123096

>>17123052
手話?

>> No.17123102

>>17123096
ah, must be part of their sign system

>> No.17123153

Thoughts on namasensei's lessons?

Are they a good starting point if you enjoy his lulzy antics?

>> No.17123245

>>17122123
Nayuta no Kiseki. Easier than your average VN.

>> No.17123339

>>17122123
If you want the absolute easiest JRPG you can read, try Star Ocean 2. It's the Hanahira of games.

http://yupotan.sppd.ne.jp/game/so2/serif.html

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17123493

Can anyone help me on this?
I'm trying to translate this but I'm having problems with this Kanji.
I think it's 置 which would make 仕置 punishment, but it's missing the "L" shaped part under it, I can't find any Kanji like it, does anyone know if it's 置 or if it's something else?

>> No.17123511

>>17123493
Are you fucking retarded?

>> No.17123512

>>17123511
I-I'm sorry I'm new

>> No.17123517

>>17123512
Why are you trying to translate shit? Leave it to the big boys.

>> No.17123546

>>17123517
It's from a comic of my waifu and I want to do it myself because it feels special that way.

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17123586

>>17123493
I'm assuming you're confused because the part at the bottom of 置 renders as the Chinese version with some fonts.

>> No.17123594

>>17123586
Ah, that's right, I forgot fonts change the appearance some times.

Thank you very much, that's the last thing I needed.

>> No.17123721

>>17122740
I got that.

>> No.17123735

>>17123721
でかした

>> No.17123942

Anyone else here trying desperately to learn Japanese but can't resist the impulse to switch a tab to some thread on 4chan or whatever other imageboard for more than 30 seconds

>> No.17123952

>>17123942
Switch the tab to 2chan instead.

>> No.17124165

>>17123942
That happens with literally anything I do on the internet.

>> No.17124178

And people say ADHD is a meme illness...

>> No.17124192

>>17124178
It is though. Just because you're too dumb to study doesn't mean that you have a mental illness.

>> No.17124198

>>17124192
Did you just call me dumb?

>> No.17124199

>>17124178
I have actual ADHD and getting distracted isn't really one of my problems since I'll remember what I'm doing and go back to it.

The real problem is that my short term memory "dumps" constantly. Like, it's not that I can't pay attention, but that I literally forget everything that was just in my head. This is okay when programming because a skilled programmer can remember the behavior of whatever code's in front of them if they've worked in it in the past month, but the same is not true of something like memorizing words.

I'll recognize a card, flip a card, flunk it, go to the next card, get it right, and when the first card comes up again I won't recognize it at all. It's like my brain selectively draws a blank on things it's seen recently, but only sometimes, and only certain things. The problem gets worse the less structured the information is. Arbitrary mappings of shapes to concepts is the hardest. Mappings of strings of syllables to concepts is okay, because the linguistic comprehension system kicks in, but it doesn't do so for kanji vocabulary unless I'm familiar with the particular word or the kanji in it.

>>17124192
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is a mental disorder of the neurodevelopmental type.
[...]
Typically, a number of genes are involved, many of which directly affect dopamine neurotransmission.
[...]
Current models of ADHD suggest that it is associated with functional impairments in some of the brain's neurotransmitter systems, particularly those involving dopamine and norepinephrine.
[...]
The symptoms of ADHD arise from a deficiency in certain executive functions (e.g., attentional control, inhibitory control, and working memory).

>> No.17124203

>>17124198
Yeah

>> No.17124205

>>17124199
Also kanji study doesn't help because it causes kanji to be learned as exotic glyphs (basically) in my long term memory instead of a linguistic comprehension thing. I've tried everything, brute force is the only thing that works, but it's hard as hell.

>> No.17124222

>>17124199
Wow careful there you'll hurt the feelings of these people who have ADHD because they can't learn quite well.

>> No.17124228

>>17124222
Just take stimulants.

>> No.17124232

>>17124222
People with ADHD *learn* fine. Probably slightly better than neurotypicals on average if you don't control for autism. The problem is keeping things in your short term memory.

>> No.17124260

>>17124199
You literally just described the same subjective experience of memorization experienced by literally every person ever. Maybe it's somehow more acute for you, I don't know, that would probably be a matter for some kind of objective test. Do you use anki?

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>>17124232
>Probably slightly better than neurotypicals on average if you don't control for autism.
What do you know about autism?

>> No.17124278

>>17122697
>鮪
dead lay (someone who is inactive during sexual intercourse)

>> No.17124284

>>17124260
Yes. Except instead of a subjective experience of feeling like I don't remember the thing, I literally don't remember the thing. I end up with like 100 leeches after a week of using anki and have to suspend them all. A week later I'll unsuspend them and my brain will be completely willing to learn them. It's hard, but it works.

I think the way Anki prioritizes cards in a lapse state (same sorting bin as brand new cards) over cards in a learning state (i.e. gotten one right answer already) when they're both being learned ahead is partially to blame here. That is, when you have no reviews left and all of your cards have a review interval in the future, anki will always show cards in the new/lapse bin first, leading me to a cycle of lapsing two cards, seeing both of them immediately, getting one of them right and one of them wrong, repeatedly, leading to any cards I get wrong too many times in the process to become leeches.

>>17124276
Autism and ADHD have a positive correlation and autism is correlated with learning better (within your interests, if you're not low-functioning, etc).

>> No.17124322

>>17124284
People stopped self-diagnosing Asperger's once it was rolled into autism spectrum disorder and they would have to claim they had the same thing as nonverbal poopthrowers. ADHD has never been something you'd claim to have just to look cool, because it is objectively bad not to be able to concentrate on a task.

>> No.17124343

This is a great lesson everyone.
"アウティスモ"
"アスペルガーシンヅロン"
Would this the correct vocabulary?

>> No.17124353

>>17124343
Those two words describe your mom perfectly

>> No.17124354

>>17124343
自閉症
アスペルガー症候群

>> No.17124356

>>17124353
No yours
#owned4life

>> No.17124357

>>17124322
Yeah I'm only referring to medical academia.

>> No.17124427

How hard is ever 17?

>> No.17124483

Is there any sort of plug-in for Anki that makes it behave more like Memrise? I like Memrise making you actually type the answer in or picking from multiple choice rather than just showing you the front of a card and having you click to see the back, but Memrise has its own issues with not being able to manually set answer groups and setting up new items being a chore in general.

>> No.17124490

>>17124427
I believe it's in Japanese.

>> No.17124533

>>17124284
Usually when someone feels like they can't remember something, it's because they really can't remember it. Sometimes it's possible to make a successful recall that feels almost like a guess, but it would be strange to find that normal people were doing that constantly wouldn't it?

>> No.17124539

>>17124533
It would. When I called it subjective I was referring to the sensation of "I can't remember things", not noticing that there are particular things they can't recall.

>> No.17124553

>>17123153
I think it's a fine fist step, I certainly wouldn't be here if it wasn't for namasensei. Obviously it goes without saying that you should doubt everything he tells you, but that goes the same for any teacher, and at least his drunken antics make the doubting that much easier.

>> No.17124819

>>17124427
Regular grammar, medical vocabulary in exposition scenes. Tough to comprehend if you're not decently fluent.

I wouldn't recommend reading it if you're still asking if something is too hard to read.

>> No.17125024

>>17124490
https://www.amazon.com/Hurts-Story-Children-Scared-Potty/dp/1433801310
https://www.amazon.com/Ulysses-Wordsworth-Classics-James-Joyce/dp/1840226358
I believe both of these books are in English.

>> No.17125220

What should I use as offline dictionary? Currently I'm using JWPce. What about for mobile? Are Aedict and Akebi still the best choices?

>> No.17125233

>>17118420
There is something wrong with the download for Black Butler in the CoR. It just keeps requesting folder information over and over.

>> No.17125236

>>17125233
That must be a problem with mega. Try it again with a different browser.

>> No.17125252

>>17125236
It says the link is invalid or was removed. I guess it needs reuploading.

>> No.17125254

>>17125252
Oh, in that case notify the maintainer through the feedback form.

>> No.17125276

What's thw first entry in the core deck? 一つ?

>> No.17125295

>>17125276
それ
https://core6000.neocities.org/

>> No.17125305

>>17125295
thank you very much.

>> No.17125340

>>17124199
>being this autistic
stop being autistic

>> No.17125351

>>17125220
Takoboto is my go-to for android

>> No.17125355

>>17125220
>>17125351

Takoboto is my choice as well.

>> No.17125361

>>17125024
You are correct.
Your point?

>> No.17125371

>>17125351
>>17125355
Thanks.

>> No.17125387

>>17125371
You don't need to waste a post just to say thanks, anon.

>> No.17125436

Do you have a notebook? What does it look like? What do you write in it?

>> No.17125532

Is Angel Beats 1st Beat easier or harder than Aokana?

>> No.17125534

>>17125220
I use Jsho. It supports wildcard search and it can export words to Ankidroid.

>> No.17125537

>>17125532
Harder

>> No.17125629

>>17125436
I'm still a noob so my notebooks are used for genki II exercises, grammar (it sticks better if I write it) and sometimes vocabulary, but I think I'll need a separate notebook for that. Vocab is my struggle atm

>> No.17125649

What are some good japanese tv channels to watch when learning? (early)

>> No.17125656

>>17125649
lol just watch anime

>> No.17125871

>>17125649
Watch Eirin's lessons.

>> No.17125888

>>17125340
Whoa buddy, that sounds hard.

>> No.17126344

what do you wish you knew when you were learning that you know now

>> No.17126363

>>17126344
Don't study kanji alone.

>> No.17126367

>>17126344
I wish I knew…

>> No.17126410

Would any of you happen to know the requirements to become a physical education teacher in Japan? I'm writing some smut and I want to get the details right.

>> No.17126432

おはようおにいちゃん

ダンジョンタウン

は、ぬきげ?えろげ?

>> No.17126436

>>17126432
どのみちお前みたいな子供向けじゃないでしょ

>> No.17126456

>>17126436
こどもになにをもとめているの?

>> No.17126469

>>17126344
I should have started earlier

>> No.17126530

>>17126344
Don't stop reading for months at a time.

>> No.17126625

>すごい目をしていた。
>射抜くような視線。
>まるで、これから僕とタイマンでもはろうかという顔だ。
I'm assuming タイマン means one-to-one here, but the following でもはろうか I'm a little lost on.

>> No.17126632

>>17126625
タイマンを張る

>> No.17126648

>>17125220
I myself use Aedict for Android.

>> No.17126658

>>17126632
Thanks. I'm assuming はろう is 波浪 here right?

>> No.17126663

>>17126658
It's volitional 張る.
タイマン + でも ("or something") + 張る (volitional).

>> No.17126706

>>17126663
Makes sense, I'm assuming でも meaning "or something" comes from the も~も while implying the others (でもある)? And the added か before という just means "kind of" or further uncertainty?

>> No.17126720

>>17125340
one does not simply stop being autistic

>> No.17126831
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17126831

>know words
>know grammar
>still don't get sentence

>> No.17126921

>>17118420
It took me two days to find it.
Make it easy to find.
thanks

>> No.17126936

>>17126921
What?

>> No.17126945

>>17126936
見つけやすくしろって言ってんだろ このスットコドッコイ

>> No.17126951

>>17126945
What?

>> No.17126954

>>17126921
>>>/jp/djt

>> No.17126955

>>17126951
ふざけんな スットコドッコイコイコーイ

>> No.17126964

>>17126954
WOW It's amazing!
I didn't know the technique.
I will be using it immediately.

>> No.17127065

Why is diabetes called 糖尿病? Why the pee part?

>> No.17127073

一姫二太郎バッファ郎

子供は女1人男2人にしておけばハズレがすくなく
部品で迷ったらbuffalo製を選べばハズレが少ないという
日本のことわざ

>> No.17127076

>>17127065
if your pancreas is fucked and cant produce insulin to breakdown glucose, the excess build up shows in urine as glycosuria 糖尿

>> No.17127080

>>17127065
どこまでただしいかわからないけど
http://www.sasakinaika.info/2006.11.htm

>> No.17127084

>>17127065
People with diabetes have "sweet" smelling piss.

>> No.17127102

>>17127084
Does this apply to semen also? I feel like my cum smells weirdly light/sweet and I have some other symptoms. Haven't tried smelling my piss from up close. Though I had a blood test a few months ago and the doc didn't say anything. Diabetes can't really be overlooked on that, can it?

>> No.17127109

>>17127102
Semen having weird scents/flavors is normal.

Diabetes is hard to overlook, but you can be prediabetic and still look within normal bounds. If you think you're consuming too much sugar for your health, consume less. It's bad for you in general.

>> No.17127279

>>17126706
"〜でもしようかという" ≒ as if 〜 would 〜
という かんようひょうげん だよ

>> No.17127401

Even though I haven't made the slightest effort at training production skills, Japanese words and expressions keep popping into my head whenever I try to say something. What's happening to me?

>> No.17127405

>>17127401
Welcome to languages, monolingual Amerifat.

>> No.17127423

>>17127102
>Though I had a blood test a few months ago and the doc didn't say anything
だから悩む理由がないはずだ

>> No.17127487

下の広告がマッチョすぎる

ヒー

>> No.17127494

>>17127487
adblock据え付けなさい

>> No.17127932

Do 妹は布団を敷く and 布団を敷く妹 sound the same to Japanese people? I've seen they translate the latter just like I would translate the former instead of some weird ass Tae Kim style TL like "the little sister who spreads her futon"
I've seen they use those types of relative clauses a lot in VNs, so I guess they perceive them both the same way?

>> No.17127937

>>17127932
This might surprise you, but relative clauses are relative clauses in every language.

>> No.17127976
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>>17127937
So what you're saying is that you would translate this sentence as "The Sakuragi who looks at me with dead eyes" instead of a normal "Sakuragi looks at me with dead eyes"? Cool

>> No.17127979

>>17127976
Maybe stop being retarded for a second and you'll understand what he actually meant

>> No.17127981

>>17127976
What? No.

>> No.17127999

>>17127976
lol I guess it finally became clear what's worse than being a DJT EOP - being a VNTS EOP like you

>> No.17128003

>>17127976
The Japanese doesn't feel as unnatural as that translation. But the Japanese still feels like a relative clause instead of a normal statement. It's a way of shifting emphasis, just like how many ways there are to word stuff like this in English (similar kind of statement, changing things for brevity):

>She looks at me with dead eyes.
>She was the one that looked at me with dead eyes.
>What she did was look at me with dead eyes.
>Dead eyes are what she looked at me with.
>She looked at me with eyes like a dead fish.

Now as for why they decided to word it this way, I don't know. But it might have felt appropriate. Relative clauses cause all sorts of possible edge case overlaps that good writers try to avoid subconsciously.

For example, in the English sentence "She looked at me with eyes like a dead fish", either she or the eyes could be like a dead fish. If the writer thought it might feel awkward for someone to start the sentence and see 桜木は死んだ魚のよう[…] they might have subconsciously turned it into a relative clause to make that string of text go away. Who knows?

In any case, it's clearly not unnatural in the Japanese since it's used so often, but that's a matter of what people speaking the language are used to. It's like how I've been saying "the Japanese" this entire time but you probably didn't bat an eye. In another language, constructing generic nouns from adjectives and leaving the "sort" of noun it is as an implication (person, text, language, etc) might be completely unnatural. But it's not unnatural in English.

There's a huge difference between what the syntax literally does, which is still important if you want to acquire the language, and whether or not the normal native speaker is used to interpreting it in certain ways. That's what anon meant when he said that relative clauses are always relative clauses. It's easy to think that a relative clause is going to feel the same in both languages, since it's a familiar concept, but it's important to get used to the same underlying grammar being used for different things.

>> No.17128030

>>17128003
By the way this is one of the reasons I instantly assume that anyone who's promoting "literal" translations doesn't know enough Japanese to understand what a good translation is in the first place.

>> No.17128036

>>17127065
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_mellitus#Etymology

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>>17128003
>The Japanese doesn't feel as unnatural as that translation.
this tb h
you can't reading things in jap and think in english, you'll drive yourself batty

>> No.17128042

>>17128003
Good post. I should probably cram something about this into sakubi. The best I have is the "oh well" chapter which is literally the end.

>> No.17128073

>>17128003
>>17128037
I don't really think in English or w/e when I try to read my jpn stuff and I know I can't compare grammatical features of totally different languages but I wanted to know the "feeling" of that type of relative clauses. I've seen it quite frequently in VNs and thought it to be a more literary thing or something

>> No.17128079

>>17128073
Yeah, feelings like that are pretty much unspeakable. You'll pick up on it eventually.

>> No.17128143

>>17128003
Does it really feel that much like a relative clause? Strictly speaking I'm pretty sure it's a complete sentence on it's own, just the absence of だ makes it a bit softer.

>> No.17128153

>>17128143
It's everything to the left of the name that's a relative clause. It's only relative because it's relative to the clause with the name in it, where it's describing the name.

>> No.17128154
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17128154

>>17127976
It feels more subjective/expressive as opposed to dryly reporting the action with a predicate and tense. You can read a paper about it in this book (p. 207).

http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=D7258765C991FD691083C56C8F0EED36

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17128231

>>17128154
Oh nice. Here's another cool relative clause

>> No.17128290

What's the best listening supplemental lessons?

>> No.17128414

Why do you guys do to Google obscure Japanese games?

Or do you guys use Share, PD? Which one is more alive right now?

>> No.17128457

泣き寝入り
Just found a word that might be useful for you guys

>> No.17128474

>>17128457
Thanks I personally like the word 間男 very much and also 顔射

>> No.17128475

>>17128457
You might be wrong if you think so.
It's not useful words.

>> No.17128779

>>17128154
This is such an unintuitive explanation that it probably would have been better to not tell him at all.

>> No.17128845

>「……と言ってはみたものの、悲しいのは理屈じゃないものな」
と言ってはみたものの is that 見た? although i said i saw it?

>> No.17128859

>>17128845
No. It's 言ってみる.

>> No.17128868

>>17128845
No.
してみる try

してみた past tense

言う + してみる = 言ってみる past tense 言ってみた

>> No.17129202

>>17127279
Is there a dictionary entry or any more information on this? It doesn't make much sense in context.

>> No.17129207

Does anyone know if the core 6K has most of the necessary kanji to read a newspaper?

Hypothetically speaking, if I already understood grammar and had a large vocabulary, but knew no kanji at all, would I be able to read news websites if I instantaneously memorized all 6K cards in the core 6K deck?

>> No.17129212

>>17129207
Not even close.

>> No.17129213

>>17129207
If you had a "large vocabulary" then you would be able to read them without core.

>> No.17129309

>>17129207
6000 words is about the same level as a five year old

>> No.17129387

>>17129212
>>17129309
Then what's all this shit about "you only need 300 kanji to read the newspaper"?

>> No.17129397

>>17129387
*3000

>> No.17129398

>>17129387
Where the fuck did you read that?

>> No.17129399

any website that shows new words added to the japanese language? just like merriam webster keeps adding dumb slangs to its english dictionary

>> No.17129404

>>17129387
Kanji are not words.
Just because you know 会社 doesn't mean you know 社会.

>> No.17129421

>>17129404
So core 6K is just 6K words? Does anyone know how many kanji are in it? I'm only like 1K in and I was under the impression that it was focused on teaching kanji.

Should I just drop it and use my mining deck full time them?

>> No.17129422

>>17129421
Of fucking course. Who the fuck switches from mining to a premade deck in the first place?

>> No.17129424

>>17129422
I was doing both.

>> No.17129425

>>17129421
You could use the kanji grid add-on to see how many kanji there are; there might be easy ways to do it, but I don't know them...and I don't use core, so I couldn't look for you.

>> No.17129429

>>17129421
2K/6K or any other K deck is a vocab deck. It's not a kanji deck so it's not focused on it. Its only relation to kanji is that some vocabulary uses kanji

>> No.17129439
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17129439

>>17129429
Fuck, I thought that it meant 6K kanji, and that it was teaching me the kanji through the vocab. Glad I caught that mistake before I wasted my time burning through the whole deck. Fuck core, I'm done then. I'll just be adding another 10 words a day to my mining deck and call it a day, I feel like a real baka now.

>> No.17129447

>>17129439
>and that it was teaching me the kanji through the vocab.
the further optimized deck does that
word by word, same kanji, different readings.

>> No.17129470

>>17129447
Thanks. I think the angry people in this thread are probably right though, I'd best mine on my own and have a vocabulary optimized to what I care about.

>> No.17129505
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17129505

So I've been given the chance to go to Japan sometime in the future, how much Japanese do I need to know to comfortably get around and understand my surroundings?

>> No.17129508

>>17129505
About three fiddy.

>> No.17129515

>>17129399
http://zokugo-dict.com/year/

Slang words by year of coinage.

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17129530

>>17129508
that was epic, epic for the win

>> No.17129552

>>17129439
アメリカって

あたまがポップコーンだよね

>> No.17129637
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17129637

>>17129552
何それ、いみわかりません。アメリカとポップコーンは何のかんけいがあるか?

>> No.17129829

how do you practice when you're done with anki reps

>> No.17129847

>>17129829
By reading.

>> No.17129859

Guys why are there 2 daily japanese threads? one on /int/ and one here?

>> No.17129887
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17129887

If I want to make something "click/hover to show" on an Anki card, what's the code to do it?

>> No.17129900

>>17129887
[a] {
visibility: hidden;
}

[b]:hover ~ [a] {
visibility: visible;
}

Where "a" is the field you want to hide, and "b" is the field you hover over to show "a".

>> No.17129933

>>17129900
I got the first part of the code to work, but I don't understand the second bit or how to use it.

>> No.17129940

>>17129933
Oh, nevermind, I figured it out.

Thanks.

>> No.17130199
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17130199

Can you read it, djt?

>> No.17130204

>>17130199
Yeah, it says "the pleasure of being cummed inside".

>> No.17130210

>>17130199
?体の知れないなにか
風紀

>> No.17130253

>死という月を映す水面を掻き消すためなら、小石を投じることもあるかもしれない。
Playing Higurashi, this line popped up. Does anyone maybe remember how this was translated? For reference, it's from the Himatsubushi Hen, where Akasaka speaks with Rika and she tells him a bunch of things from the future.

>> No.17130255

>>17130210
得体

>> No.17130271

>>17128859
>>17128868
If it's てみる why is the は between the て and みる?

>> No.17130281

>>17129829
Watch たくたく's 実況動画 on youtube

>> No.17130312

>>17130271
Emphatic は, https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_night.html#%E3%8A%A5%E3%81%AF

>> No.17130365

>>17130281
Why are you advertising a random youtuber?

>> No.17130444

>>17130365
So everyone can practice their Japanese. Reading rpgs is a good way

>> No.17130461

>>17130444
Well yeah, but there are thousands of Japanese youtubers. Why do you recommend that one?

>> No.17130510

>>17130461
It's just the one I watch most. I watched the classics IB and Misao there

>> No.17130837

Do you know where I can get these titles with nyaa down? The new nyaa with si as the domain had them but with 0 seeders:
絶対霊域
and
マンガ家さんとアシスタントさんと

>> No.17130840

>>17130837
Pretty sure the second one is in the CoR.

>> No.17130872

>>17130837
CoR or haruka-yumenoato.net

>> No.17131005

How to say
" to lose your virginity" in japanese?
Google translate says
"処女を失う" but im guessing that's not right.

>> No.17131122

>>17131005
処女喪失

>> No.17131136

>>17131005
right

>> No.17131151

next issue of djt is going to release a new character, 出来ないちゃん's pragmatic imouto 出来る限りちゃん yes?

>> No.17131170

Where do I get free books?

>> No.17131177

>>17131170
http://djt.netlify.com/

>> No.17131211

>>17131151
戯言を言うな

>> No.17131239

>>17131177
I'm sorry I should have read the guide. It feels wrong for you to just be nice to me. Can you please tell me to fuck off just to clear my conscience?

>> No.17131252

>>17131005
if you are a man, 童貞を失う(喪失する)
if you are a woman, 処女を失う(喪失する)

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>>17131239
You're welcome, but check the guide next time!

>> No.17131347 [DELETED] 

These general needs to be deleted for good. No one's seriously learning a dead language at this day and age.

>> No.17131359
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17131359

>>17131301
This isn't right, I need to be insulted.

>> No.17131421

すっちゃかめっちゃか

>> No.17131480
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17131480

えー?DJTはどうしてここにあるの?
/a/では何かあったの?

>> No.17131539

How do I know I'm ready to try to take a JLPT? Been grinding Core 2K/6K for about 6 months and I'm kinda halfway through. I can read and understand stuff, but not without using Rikaisama and furigana as a crutch, plus a lot of searching on Jisho. Grammar is mostly easy to understand, but a bit harder to actually apply and use.

>> No.17131694

>>17131480
パンツ屋が暴れた

>> No.17131738

The ultimate study material is Japanese puzzle games. If you misunderstand the Japanese even a little but you're fucking screwed. You're forced to re-read the same stuff over and over until you finally understand what you've been misunderstanding/glossing over.

>> No.17131817

>>17131738
Or something like 逆転裁判

>> No.17131821

>>17131738
Examples?

>> No.17131866

>>17131821
Puzzle game in Japanese. Not very specific criteria I think. Professor Laytan would probably do.

>> No.17131923

I watched YOUは何しに日本へ? today because I was bored, is there anything cringier in the fucking world than this show?

Like, holy shit, no wonder the country is so nationalist if this is the quality of foreigner they get. I saw some horribly autistic manchild who carried around plush toys try and win a crane game for his obese whale back home.

>> No.17132018

>>17131923
if you think the average voter is dumb, try talking with the average tourist

>> No.17132021

>>17131923
Did the same a while ago. The episode with the train autist was great, got a good laugh out of him.

>> No.17132039

おにいちゃん

ごはんたけてる?

>> No.17132048

>>17131923
I heard American tourists are pretty bad. They tend to be much louder than other tourists.

>> No.17132084

>>17129505
if you stick to tokyo? absolutely none

I'd imagine other large cities are the same but I can't say for sure, I stayed for 13~ days near Mejiro station which is one station away from Ikebukuro and like 2 or 3 from shinjuku and I knew absolutely no japanese outside of hello and thank you

>> No.17132093

If I have a JIS keyboard, should I use kana input or romaji?
(I don't even have the kana memorised yet, but one fell into my hands.)

Would it be useful to play about with memorising the kana layout (since I can correlate the characters to keys as something concrete) even if in the far future romaji will be more practical?

>> No.17132102

>>17132093
Kana input is shit. Don't waste your time on it.

>> No.17132168

>>17132039
そういえば、象印の炊飯器をおすすめますか

>> No.17132200

>>17131923
Tbh show is kek

>> No.17132243

What's a decent number to aim for on true retention on anki? I mean obviously if possible everyone would want 100% but what's the realistic "anki is doing it's job" number? 90%? I find myself doing around 88 consistently almost every day and I'm not sure how can I make it better aside from drowning in fish oil.

Before one of the anki wars soldiers come toss shit I do read, anki is just complementary.

>> No.17132256

>>17132243
As long as your mature card number is increasing, it's doing its job. Retention percentage is just autism fuel.

>> No.17132395

>>17132168
象印は

高いだけの価値があるよ

すっごいよくできてる

>> No.17132489

とくにおかゆ機能がすごくいい

保温温度も選べて

麹買ってきておかゆにまぜて保温しとくと

勝手にあまざけができる

ちょうべんり

>> No.17132622

>>17132395
>>17132489
それなら、買うことにする

>> No.17132650

Why's there so much bible shit in the Jisho examples?

>> No.17133205

>>17132650
>bible shit
Tatoeba is run by priests and other paedophiles.

>> No.17134198

あめんぼ あかい な
あ い う え お
かき のき くり のき
か き く け こ
まき-ちゃん スゴイな
さ し す せ そ

>> No.17134273

>sentence makes no sense despite looking up all the unknown words
>look up possible grammar constructs on dojg, no matches
>look up again grammar points and words, nothing fits
>spend almost an hour trying to do mental gymnastics to get a clearer understanding
>give up and move on with only a possible guess as to what it meant
Shit like this is by far what bothers me the most since I started reading not long ago. I feel like my reading time at this moment is half reading and half stopped at a sentence that makes no sense to me.

>> No.17134281

>>17134273
J-E dictionary, right? This happened to me a lot when I used it as well, turns out the words didn't mean what I thought they meant.

>> No.17134295

>>17134273
Post the sentence.
Generally when this happens it's because you are misunderstanding words or grammar structures like >>17134281 points out

>> No.17134298

>>17134273
Stop wasting time of things you don't understand and read more.

>> No.17134386

>>17134298
>Stop wasting time
I can't bring myself to do this, I get this feeling I'm only running away from my problems. I mean to what point am I really learning if I pretty much skip anything that doesn't make sense every time I see it?

Do people here really do this effectively? Just skip stuff because "oh well, I just can't get it, might as well not 'waste' time on it"?

>>17134281
Yeah. I'm only a beginner reader though. I feel like if I try to read a J-J dictionary instead of finding the answer I'll get stuck on yet another sentence that maybe doesn't fit and then one thing will lead to another and before I know I'll be looking for an issue that had nothing to do with the original sentence I had a problem with.

>> No.17134407

>>17134386
>I feel like if I try to read a J-J dictionary instead of finding the answer
Using one -is- finding the answer. It is impossible without it at times when only referencing J-E and trying to force the sentence to make sense when you don't know the words in them is a fruitless effort. Your "fear" is very unwarranted and just looks like an excuse for being lazy.

>> No.17134510

>>17134407
>working double time for next to an hour on a single sentence trying to brainstorm and research your way through
>lazy
Poor choice of words. Lazy would be if I ignored it with a "oh well, I just don't get it, moving on then..." mentality like I've been suggested.

Just because you question the method or efficiency of someone's labor it doesn't mean they are not working.

>> No.17134533

>>17134510
Hovering 5 times over each word is not working. Wasting time by looking at a wall is not working either. You're lazy by not doing anything productive in that time frame and avoiding actual effort.

>> No.17134544

>>17134407
>>17134533
I wouldn't say he's being lazy but rather just going about it the wrong way and trying to force it.
Though generally this kind of problem is best handled by posting the sentence you have trouble with here and then learn from the explanation you receive rather than just complaining about not being able to do it.

>> No.17134550

>>17134386
>Just skip stuff
Not quite, the idea is as long as you understand the message (not necessarily all the syntax and precise grammatical functions) you can carry on without worry about it. If you don't understand it at all, even after looking up words, it's way above your level. You'll get a lot more benefit from ignore it and just carrying on than spending hours looking shit up.

TL;DR Reading for hours is more beneficial than stressing over a single sentence for hours.

>> No.17134553

>>17134273
>>spend almost an hour
You have a thread full of learners who are probably more advanced than you, and you just sit there for an hour throwing your head into a wall?

You might actually be retarded. I bet you're the kind of guy who tries to memorise Genki.

>> No.17134578

おはようおにいちゃん

いってきます

>> No.17134582

>>17134550
This. For sentences that really baffle you it's good to stop now and then and intensively analyse it occasionally, but if you do it all the time you will cripple your consumption rate, so save it for those times where it seems most beneficial.

>> No.17134617

Are you as good as Google Translate, which gets this sentence perfectly?

「死にたいする戦い、生きようとする絶対的な頑固な意欲こそ、すべての卓越した人間が行動して生きてきた原動力だ、と私は信じる」

>> No.17134623

今日は現場に赴く
How can 現場 be interpreted in this sentence?

>> No.17134627

>>17134617
You definitely aren't, machine translator.

>> No.17134628

>>17134627
Is that a no?

>> No.17134659

I'm still working my way through Tae Kim and I'm up to the verbs part. I don't get how to tell with a verb is a ru-verb or u-verb. He says all verbs are basically u-verbs, except verbs that end in る and are preceded by an /i/ or /e/ vowel sound. Wouldn't that make 切る a ru-verb? Because he later uses it as an example for past tenses of u-verbs.

>> No.17134672

>>17134553
>>17134544
I ask stuff here sometimes, but not often. If I asked stuff here every single time people would get tired of acting like my employees, and they would probably notice the guy who is reading X is asking something for the 2000th time.

>> No.17134673

>>17134623
That isn't enough context to tell you anything more than a dictionary. Place where shit happened or happens. What kind of shit should be clear from the context.

>> No.17134676

>>17134659
Wait, didn't realize the exceptions were at the bottom of that page. I thought the only exceptions he meant were する and 来る. My bad.

>> No.17134687

>>17134672
Then you probably need to read something easier. What are you reading?

>> No.17134689

>>17134673
Could it mean "outdoor photoshoot" or something? That's the only meaning I could get, or just going to work in general.
There's no context I could provide honestly.

>> No.17134693

>>17134687
http://ncode.syosetu.com/n9636x/

>> No.17134697

>>17134689
Yes.
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/70641/meaning/m0u/
> 実際に作業が行われている場所。

>> No.17134704

>>17134693
Yeah you may need to read something easier if you are having that much trouble.

>> No.17134710

>>17134697
So it refers to workplace? Thanks.

>> No.17134716
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17134716

Can someone help me translate this?

[something] work to do before school...

>> No.17134746

>>17134687
>>17134704
This is really bad advice.
>>17134693
Keep reading. How are you liking it so far and would you recommend it? Haven't heard of it before but the concept sounds pretty cool with the protagonist working as 毒味役.

>> No.17134750

>>17134704
I get majorly stuck on about 2 or 3 sentences per chapter, here is what an average chapter looks like http://ncode.syosetu.com/n9636x/1/

Even if I only selected 1 of said 3 to ask here, I'd still be asking more than 1 question a day here, not to mention the 2 I "ignored".

This really sucks but I guess I'll have to drop and go read キノの旅 or something.

>> No.17134761

>>17134750
If it's only 2 or 3 sentences per chapter than you should be fine.
Just really ask here every now and then. Once you figure it out once you won't have to do it again.

>> No.17134768

>>17134716
in front of the school
不審な事件

>> No.17134797

>>17134746
>How are you liking it so far and would you recommend it?
I would. The whole concept really hooked me so I kind of had this feeling I would enjoy the fuck out of it even before I started, and I was right. Read the first chapter when you can, it's nothing big or revolutionary but in it's simplicity it kind of captivates you.

Really the only thing that throws me off is me being mentally exhausted after going through hell and back on a few sentences that elude me.

>> No.17134881

So I followed the guide and installed anki with the 2k/6k file. How do I skip ahead to the harder words and get rid of the easy ones? Is the 10k core better or is 6k good enough and would there be sets for specific manga?

>> No.17134889

>>17134881
If you think any word is easy in there core is not for you. It's for day 1 beginners. Start a mining deck and read.

>> No.17134891

Is 死亡する a more polite way of saying 死ぬ? I'm listening to it on the news.

>> No.17134898

>>17134891
Fucking google it

>> No.17134912

>>171348
What's a mining deck? What's a good deck on grammar. I'm looking for more intermediate level type decks.

>> No.17134917

>>17134912
Read the guide before posting.

>> No.17134929

>>17134881
If you see a word you already know and you don't want to review it, just press delete and move onto the next one.

>> No.17134933

>>17134898
I actually deserved that, and the answer is "yes". It's an euphemism.

>> No.17134954

>>17134933
a euphemism

>> No.17134995

What does it mean if you see き instead of い on the end of an い adjective?

>> No.17135000

>>17134995
It means archaic.

>> No.17135009

>>17134995
It means that you don't know how to google for shit.

>> No.17135017

>>17135009
>>17134898
Not any of those people but do you just spend the day in here looking for opportunities to say that? Sounds like a fun hobby.

>> No.17135024

>>17135017
Stop being a retarded newfag and I'll stop saying it.

>> No.17135038

Instead of 30 cards or whatever limit on Anki, if I set maximum review per day to like 9999 and review as much as i can each day (will likely vary wildly), will it break the system or will it still space reviews and such as necessary?

>> No.17135050

It is happy for me to play swimming. Ohmaigaa

>> No.17135061

>>17135024
>reading comprehension

>> No.17135062

>>17135061
Who are you quoting?

>> No.17135063

>>17135009
More than that, apparently duckduckgo wasn't up to the task. I guess there's no getting away from the google.

>> No.17135101

how do you practice listening?

>> No.17135109

>>17135101
By listening.

>> No.17135112

>>17135101
I usually listen.

>> No.17135117

>>17135101
>>17135112
>>17135109
sorry i meant to continue this with: watching anime? news/tv?

>> No.17135118

>>17135101
Dont watch anime

>> No.17135137

>>17135117
I personally like to hear the calming sounds of a blue whale.

>> No.17135151

>>17135137
link

>> No.17135168

>>17135151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=savCAd6RyPI

>> No.17135307

Is Rikaisama not compatible with Palemoon 26.5.0? I can't seem to get it to work.

>> No.17135318

>>17135307
use seamonkey instead of botnet lite

>> No.17135779

>>17134995
~き is the old form of the 連体形 of an i-adjective. Today the 連体形 and the 終止形 are both the same:
>山は高い
>高い山
But in classical Japanese they were different:
>山は高し
>高き山

>> No.17135786

>付き合ってはない。割と頻繁には会ってるけどね
Having problems making sense of 割と here, is it simply saying "We are not acquainted. We do meet but not enough to being acquaintances" or something?

>> No.17135798

>>17135786
We are not going out. We do meet relatively frequently though
my 2 cents

>> No.17135923

>>17119978
Is KKLC about memorising without tricks?

>> No.17135936

Is ぼくたちは勉強ができない available anywhere to read? Not seeing it on nyaa or the guide.

>> No.17135988

>>17134768
desu looks like 不審の事は to me

>> No.17135997

So what are your guys' thoughts on Amayui so far? Is it better than Eushully's previous games?

>> No.17136002

>>17135997
I don't know what you are talking about

>> No.17136008

>>17136002
Isn't this the VN discussion thread?

>> No.17136211

>>17135997
>Very long (> 50 hours)
i haven't even started Kamidori are you trying to kill me

>> No.17136339
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>>17118420
An update for the "manga" catalogue link on the DJT op site.

https://moemanga.neocities.org/

The site now has thumbnail and full sized images for the manga in the CoR, as well as the まんがタイムきらら collection I'm working on and progressively adding to the catalogue. The "select to show" filter is now fully functional, with the remainder of the series now up. There is also a day/night mode toggle under the heading, for those who prefer a dark theme.

If you haven't noticed, only the first ~140 series so far have data for
>最新刊巻:
>最新刊発売:
>出版社:
I'll be adding that for the CoR manga series. This will also allow the implementation of a filter to show/hide completed series. It will also allow for anons to know which series in the CoR are not up to date in terms of available volumes.

A few key things I'll be working on:
1. updating the missing latest volume/publication date thereof/series page on publisher site.
2. a filter for completed series.
3. an overhaul of the "select to highlight" filter, with some sort of showing/hiding selected genres instead of highlighting them.
4. an RSS feed, as per request.

For reference, there are 642 manga series and 6526 volumes.

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>>17136339
どうも

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>>17136339
ご苦労様

>> No.17136377

>>17136339
Maybe make it so we can also read in the web browser as well instead of download only, like djt.netlify.com ?

>> No.17136418

>>17118420
Is Katawa Shoujo beginner friendly? I want to read it in Japanese but I've only finished Tae Kim and still working on vocabulary.

>> No.17136423

>>17136377
That would involve hosting several hundred gig worth of images.

>> No.17136426

>>17136418
save it for when you're through a few VNs that are hookable
everything ive tried on my copy hasnt worked, ITHVNR, agth etc

>> No.17136430

>>17136377
Madokami has this feature, and they have plans to allow raw manga uploads again in the near future.

>> No.17136431

>>17136426
Ok, thanks for the suggestion.

>> No.17136463

おはようおにいちゃん

ただいま

>> No.17136473

>>17136463
おかえり

>> No.17136477

>>17136463
出て行け

>> No.17136497

Why is いいです correct but いいだ isn't?

>> No.17136508

>>17136497
Because in this case です is being used as a polite sentence end particle, and not the copula.

>> No.17136543

>>17136463
どこいったんですか?

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jesus fuck i'm dying because i can't understand shit watching this. i can guess what they're trying to say sometimes, but often what they say is slurred and near incomprehensible for me. there's no subtitles either, so i'm left pretty much shit out of luck.
does anyone have anything i could read/watch to make watching this easier? i'm not sure what the accent they use is called, but this takes place in Hiroshma during the 1940s.

>> No.17136629

Any recommendation for a kid's book? Like how you start out when you were 4 years old? I feel books on the dtj page are a little too complicated as I just started out, but I still want to read shit.

>> No.17136630

「彼女がここで振り返り、僕をまたあの目で突き刺すとしても。」
Is としても simply meaning "assuming if" or is it just と (quoting particle) + する + も (again), "do like (this) again." It makes more sense for it to be the latter, but I'm not sure if it has a strict use.

>> No.17136676

>>17136473
おにいちゃんがすき

>>17136543
にほんー

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>>17136676
>おにいちゃんがすき
冥土の土産

>> No.17137122

>>17122123
>The CoR doesn't have any games recommendations that are not VNs?
I want to create one, but I want to play the games first to make sure they aren't too difficult.

The problem is that games for kids are easy to read, but don't have much text so you barely learn anything.
JRPGs have more text, but it seems their target audience are teens, so the language is often harder and lacks furigana.

I'm still waiting for the following games to arrive.

Dragon Quest IX for DS (has furigana)
Ni no Kuni for DS (has furigana)
Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney (scripts available online)

>> No.17137141

>>17137122
I've been playing ASTLIBRA ( https://freegame-mugen.jp/action/game_4223.html ) because someone accidentally recommended it to me, and I basically understand it. I don't know how many words I know, but I can't read good VNs without a dictionary but here I only miss basically one or two words every three textboxes.

>> No.17137164

おにいちゃんそらをみて

つきがきれいだよ

>> No.17137183

>>17136578
Are BDs out already?

>> No.17137293

>>17136629
Google some 昔話, that's the best place to start

>> No.17137417

>>17137183
でもここにつきはまだ来ないんだよ

>> No.17137430
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17137430

今日は本当にアンキする気がない

>> No.17137502

>>17137430
そうよね
今日はずっとシットポストしたいんだから

>> No.17137530

>>17137293
This is pretty cool, thanks anon.

>> No.17137624
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17137624

Did they use the wrong Kanji here?

Shouldn't it be 周り here or can 回り mean both rotating and surrounding?

>> No.17137630

>>17137624
Also where did that "whereabouts" come from?

The more I learn the more I notice how flawed core is.

>> No.17137654

>>17137624
回り is used for literal and abstract revolutions while 周り is more for 周囲 stuff.
So yeah, 回り is probably wrong.

>> No.17137660

>>17137630
It is flawed. If i had my way I'd pull all the duplicates and condense them, remove all kana with kanji no matter how rarely they're used and fug 鏡ちゃん to death

>> No.17137662

>>17137660
*replace not remove

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