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17074747 No.17074747 [Reply] [Original]

It's Wednesday night. Okazaki Yumemi has locked you inside her room with her.
PC-98 isn't canon, so whatever you do to her doesn't technically happen, nor will it ever be acknowledged by those who witness it.
What will you do?

>> No.17074759
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>>17074747

>> No.17074781

Act as dense as possible.

>> No.17074783

Ask to help me improve my failing grades

>> No.17074846

>>17074747
>those who witness it
Wait, I thought we were locked in her room? Who else is in here with us?

>> No.17074858

>>17074747
see if that famous song by The Police about that famous book by Vladimir Nabokov works in reverse

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>>17074846

>> No.17074904
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Play danmaku all evening.

>> No.17074929

hi do you want to fuck about religion

>> No.17075836

>>17074846
Yukari

>> No.17075877

>>17074747
Play eratohoK together

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>>17074747
Ask for a wish to make PC-98 canon!

>> No.17076915

>>17074747
sex is a kind of danmaku if you think about it

>> No.17077097

>>17076915
her eggs are the hitboxes, and your sperm are the bullets?

>> No.17077112

>>17074860
"W-Wow, you sure got a cool room, Anon!"

>> No.17077201
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>>17074747
Actually PC-98 is canon!

>> No.17077310

>>17077201
I don't trust the words of a non-character.

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>>17074747
>>17077201
>>17077310
The canonicity of PC-98 remains hotly debated in academic circles.

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>>17077623
Zun already said its canon unless it conflicts with the current works.

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>>17077623
Yumemi gets very passionate about her canonicity. She talks way too fast, mixes up her words, and starts running out of breath.

>> No.17077794

>>17077701
So... Yumemi isn't canon then? I mean, Gensokyo is supposed to be based on 1800s Japan and technology isn't supposed to have advanced outside of the interferences of the people living in Youkai Mountain, and Yumemi's entire presence as someone who apparently starts living in Gensokyo after PoDD would contradict that, since it would mean there are other instances of advanced tech in Gensokyo, whch isn't supposed to be the case.

>> No.17077807

>>17077097
correctomundo

>> No.17077809

>>17077794
Maybe she is secretly enslaved by the kappa.

>> No.17077830

>>17074747
r a p e

>> No.17077831

>>17077794
If that's what you're having a problem with, how do you deal with Maribel and Renko?

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>>17077201
>Actually PC-98 is canon!
How am I supposed to trust the words of some fanon dog-eared meme character?

>> No.17077940

>>17077831
Aren't they from the future?

>> No.17077963

>>17077940
And Yumemi is both from the future and an alternate dimension

>> No.17078019

>>17077963
Yeah, but she starts to live in Gensokyo after the PoDD incident, which doesn't make sense considering outside of the Youkai Mountain residents' shenanigans, there isn't supposed to be any advanced technology in Gensokyo, so Yumemi existing, at least in the context of her PoDD appearance, just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

>> No.17078044

>>17077963
Or just far beyond Maribel's future.
The quantum stuff got so crazy that it's basically magic, she can shoot danmaku but with "technology" because of it, but they want to do more with it.

>> No.17078058

Ask her to take me as an assistant on her hyperspace vessel.

>> No.17078187

>>17078019
Doesn't she only return in her own ending? If so, it only makes her own story non-canon, not the whole game.

>> No.17078276

>>17078187
Aren't all endings canon?

>> No.17078311

>>17078276
All the character's stories can't be canon, because each one implies they are the only one to enter Yumemi's ship.

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>>17077895
A Crow Tengu without her wings. wew

>> No.17078723

>>17074747
According to ZUN, it's canon, but no longer relevant, so yeah, do whatever you want.

>> No.17078735

>>17077940
From an alternate universe, as Chiyuri's story shows that there is another Chiyuri living in Gensokyo.

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>>17078735
He's talking about Maribel and Renko.

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>>17078757
I like to think that the four know each other.

>> No.17078823

>>17078799
Mary and Renko are from the future of the main dimension.
Yumemi and Chiyuri are from an alternate dimension's present. We know they are from the present because our universe's Chiyuri lives in Gensokyo and is the same age as the alternate on.

>> No.17078838

>>17078823
There's also an alternate Yumemi, isn't there?

That said, if Chiyuri and Yumemi came from an alternate universe, then maybe they know alternate Maribel and alternate Renko.

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>>17078838
>There's also an alternate Yumemi, isn't there?
The way they talk about the other Yumemi, it sounds less like she is Yumemi from another dimension, and more like something Chiyuri created by accident by doing something, and whatever that something was is highly illegal in their home dimension.

>That said, if Chiyuri and Yumemi came from an alternate universe, then maybe they know alternate Maribel and alternate Renko.
You still have to deal with the fact that Yumemi and Chiyuri are in the present, and Maribel and Renko the future.

>> No.17079013

>>17078871
>You still have to deal with the fact that Yumemi and Chiyuri are in the present, and Maribel and Renko the future.

I don't see why. The unification theory doesn't contradict anything: for Maribel and Renko it's recent, and Yumemi was recently laughed out of academics. The technology doesn't really contradict either: Yumemi would be a mad scientist no matter what her surrounding world is, and Maribel and Renko live in a world with self-sustaining space stations. The only real estimate we have for Yumemi's time is an off-hand remark by Rikako estimating that she's five centuries ahead of Gensokyo. That could easily put her in line with the Sealing Club's time.

>> No.17079051

>>17079013
The unification theory has nothing to do with it. We know Yumemi and Chiyuri are from the present because of Gensokyo's Chiyuri, and Sumireko is the present generation of the Usami family, not Renko.

>> No.17079052

>>17079013
Maribel's time is a century or two from now based on eclipses and etc
If they are 5 centuries ahead in Yumemi's time, it probably makes sense that technology slightly stagnated since they have an energy crisis in that future too. The hypervessel travels through time with pure physics, so I doubt it's possible with the stuff we've seen in Maribel's time

>> No.17079062

>>17079052
also environmental destruction got so bad that the humans in Maribel's time thought about trying to terraform thise places. Maybe that ties into it, since the CDs woukd have to build on PC-98

>> No.17079252

>>17079051
That isn't really convincing. There are enough strange happenings when things fall through the border that I wouldn't trust anyone in Gensokyo to match up with the outside world.

>>17079052
If Gensokyo is circa 1700s or so, then Maribel's time of the 2200s would match pretty nicely with Rikako's assessment of Yumemi's time. I don't put too much stock in that, but it's certainly not a contradiction.

And as I said, I'm pretty sure Yumemi would be a mad scientist no matter when you put her. It certainly seems as if she invented the technology behind her ship (can you imagine a society that knows how to construct these ships, knows Yumemi, and would allow her to have one?), so she's already about as fantastic as the sort of scientist you find in Star Trek, or also in ASTOUNDING SCIENCE FICTION or such. I find it no more difficult to believe that Yumemi is from Maribel's time than that she's from a thousand years in Maribel's future, and those are only slightly harder than believing she's from an alternate-dimension's 1970s.

I think the real disconnect is that stuff like Magical Astronomy was ZUN trying to portray a reasonable future (he did his homework with the eclipses, etc.), while the PC98 games have plots along the lines of "Reimu goes to another dimension to prevent a tourism agency there from listing her shrine as an attraction, but it turns out to be easier to kill god."

>> No.17079921

>>17078019
maybe she didn't stay much time

>> No.17079933

What ever happened to Rika?

>> No.17079952

>>17078871
>alt. palette
>christian motif
fresh headcanon: rumia is yumemi attempt to prove her point trying to bercome herself a supernatural being, but failed halfway (lost of personality), the "amulet" is a restore buttom but rumia selfpreservation instint tell her to not mess with it

>> No.17080005

>>17078838
The alternate Yumemi is actually a clone created by Chiyuri.

>> No.17080017

>>17074747
[X] genuflect

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Rika is way cuter.

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>>17080005
>>17077831
Or maybe Yumemi is a future version of Renko, in the same manner Yukari is to Maribel.

Renko's hair has been looking pretty red and she has a habit of going by other names.

>> No.17081349

>>17080118
>Or maybe Yumemi is a future version of Renko
But Yumemi is from the present and Renko the future, so if anything it'd have to be the other way around. Which makes no sense because the current generation member of the Usami family is Sumireko.

>> No.17081399

>>17081349
>But Yumemi is from the present and Renko the future
This makes zero sense. In Yumemi's world, the unification of physics has happened. In Renko's, it was a very recent event. So Yumemi can't be from the significant past compared to Renko. The only reason to assume Yumemi is from the present is to assume that the Chiyuri of Gensokyo and the Chiyuri of Yumemi's world were born at the same time (and that neither has been temporally displaced).

>> No.17081528

>>17081399
>>17081349
the CDs have to build on PC-98, so if we look at it like that, the unification of physics seems to align, and if it's 500 years from Gensokyo's time (which is around the 1800s, probably late century considering the manga) then it would most likely be the future.
Yumemi herself is pretty strange for a human, she's probably a lot like Sumireko (who is an esper or psychic or whatever) since she can use science that's almost like magic.
I think she's in the near future of the near future, maybe a century after Maribel's time (since that seems to align anyway, and she has access to a little bit too much ridiculous technology, since in Maribel's time, a bullet train is fast enough to reach Tokyo from Kyoto in 2 hours, but the hyperspace vessel can jump dimensions and shit, even if she's a 'mad scientist', it just wouldn't make much sense.)

>> No.17081656

>>17081399
>This makes zero sense. In Yumemi's world, the unification of physics has happened. In Renko's, it was a very recent event. So Yumemi can't be from the significant past compared to Renko.
Why does science in Yumemi's world have to advance at the same rate it does in Renko's/the main one?

>> No.17081695

>>17077794
There's nothing to suggest that she doesn't go back home after her second visit.

>> No.17081712

>>17081656
This is a good point, but I still remain completely unconvinced that Yumemi and Chiyuri are not from Renko's world. The only evidence of that is Yumemi speaking of "this world's Chiyuri" and such. But "this world" is Gensokyo. It's already separate from the outside world. There's no reason there can't be a Gensokyo Chiyuri and an outside Chiyuri.

>> No.17081828

>>17081712
>It's already separate from the outside world.
Yes it's separate, but I don't really consider it "alternate." Neither theory has any direct evidence, so we have to rely on indirect evidence.
The main outsiders in "modern" Gensokyo are Sumireko and the Moriyas, and neither of them has heard of the Unified Theory. Or rather, they've heard of it, but it hasn't been completed. The fact that they share this similarity implies to me this is the state of the "modern" outside world. As while strange things can happen while crossing over, two people coming over from the same time period in such as short time span, one of them via the power of a god, makes me thing that time displacement is not one of them. At least not in this case. Combining this with the presence of "this world's" Chiyuri in Gensokyo, and it seems more reasonable to me that they are from an alternate present than the main timeline's future. There just is far more evidence that points in that direction.

>> No.17081940

>>17081828
That is a reasonable way of looking at things.

On the other hand, I look at the tech discrepancy between Sanae+Sumireko and Maribel+Renko (and maybe Yumemi) and see evidence that time displacement absolutely is something that can happen via the border. Just because sometimes it doesn't happen doesn't necessarily extend to a rule.

I'm also not convinced that splitting hairs between "alternate" and "separate" applies in this case: that's presuming a bunch of cliches about "alternate universes" that may or may not apply. Furthermore, the Hakurei shrine exists on both sides (or on neither side, depending on which citation you follow), so the whole thing is vague enough that I have no problem with a Chiyuri on either side.

Let's agree on the "neither theory has any direct evidence" bit, then. This is interesting to speculate about, but I don't think ZUN has some rigorously-formulated, all-encompassing plan for the history of all of his games laid out. If, for some reason, ZUN announced a full explanation of how PoDD fits in with the more recent bits of the series, it would probably involve retconning a few things.

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There is also the matter of age.
In Yumemi and Chiyuri's world people graduate college at around Middle/High School age, while Maribel and Renko seem to be at the expected College age.

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>>17082185
I thought that was just Chiyuri being a wunderkind.

>> No.17084477

>>17083468
Yumemi is only three years older than her.

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>> No.17085255

>>17081940
>for some reason, ZUN announced a full explanation of how PoDD fits in with the more recent bits of the series
wait wat?
when he said this? do you have some citation?

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>>17085255
>If, for some reason, ZUN announced a full explanation of how PoDD fits in with the more recent bits of the series
Go back one more word, it was a hypothetical situation.

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>> No.17086808

>>17086780
Professor paizuri!

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>>17086808
I knew all I had to do to get someone to respond was post lewd, I just hoped I was wrong.

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>> No.17087925

>>17086826
The trouble with non-controversial 2hus like Yumemi is that there is little to generate discussion. Yes, she's a redhead (automatically making her a top tier 2hu). Yes, she may very well be future Renko (making her even better). Yes, she has too little fanart. But that's about it.

But hey, you want a reply? Here's one. I honestly think Yumemi has one of the most final-bossey themes in all of the games. It just oozes a final confrontation vibe. It's amazing how groups like FELT manage to arrange it into such chill-out pieces. Just have a listen to this!
https://youtu.be/gMoxtnCzGZY

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>>17087925
>Yes, she may very well be future Renko (making her even better).
Look, I'm willing to entertain discussion about whether Yumemi is from the future or an alternate time, or both. I'll argue that back and forth all day if you really want to.
But this? This is just people pulling shit from their asses. Stop it.

>> No.17088058

>>17088003
My point is it's one of the few things one can possibly discuss about Yumemi's character. Me, I like Renko and Yumemi both for who they are on their own.

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>>17088003
Yeah, Yumemi is quite possibly younger than Renko.

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>> No.17095104

>>17093925
me behind them

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>> No.17100234

>>17099818
A couple of captions do suggest themselves here:

en route to Gensokyo we met these two strange students, so we took a picture as evidence

on a recent holliday we met up with some strange professors etc.

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>> No.17105623

>>17074747
Make PC-98 canon.

>> No.17113657

She's too red, my eyes hurt!

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