Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1810

[Anonymous No.]

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17038335

This thread is for the discussion and learning of Japanese with raw VNs, LNs, anime and manga.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Let's have a nice thread by reporting and ignoring off-topic posts.
がんばってゆっくりしていってね！！！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17057725
delete fgo

[Anonymous No.]

>>17050838

Just took the JCAT for the 3rd time. Guess I'm "advanced" now, although that's really just due to the grammar score, so in actuality I'm still solidly intermediate.

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>>17057725
Nice OP image

[Anonymous No.]

>>17058021
>40 hours per day

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>>17050838
>listening
I feel you

[Anonymous No.]

>>17057870
I can't find my old screenshot and it looks like they delete accounts? Can't login anymore

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>>17058160
Is this a good score?

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>>17058175
>N1
>full marks in the reading
>full marks in grammar
>Overall score of ~88%.
I'd say so. Not even the same anon.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have ebook versions of 覇剣の皇姫アルティーナ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17058302
They're on amazon.

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>>17058309
You know what I meant

[Anonymous No.]

http://mojairbrush.com/

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>>17058327
This is too good to be true.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm very interested in learning more about Anki, but I feel like I've exhausted all the surface information about it.

I've read Wozniak's articles, I've read through the Anki manual, the forums, ribbit's /r/anki, the Anki essentials guides, lesswrong's articles, all sorts of blogs about experiences with Anki and card formulation, some language learner forums, some memory olympiad forums, basically anything I could find.

What would be the next step? Do I actually need to get into intro pedagogy? I'm addicted to learning to formulate flashcards.

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>>17058458
I'm sure that sounded a lot funnier in your head

[Anonymous No.]

>>17058491
But I'm serious!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17058458
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281824405_Replication_and_Analysis_of_Ebbinghaus'_Forgetting_Curve

[Anonymous No.]

>>17058458
Next thing to do is do your own science and put Supermemo to shame. You can do it!

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>>17058458
https://www.supermemo.com/english/contents.htm#Technical articles

There you have it. Like other anon said, you'll need to do research with your own experiments and numbers if you want more.

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck is the etymology of 留学生?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17058827
Look up 留 on wiktionary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17058859

It seems like it should have the opposite meaning to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>17058873
留 means to stay in some place doing something, not to stay at home. So 留学 is to go somewhere, stay, and study.

[Anonymous No.]

パンツ云々然々

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>>17058021
>やっていた
I can't not associate ”やる” with non-lewd things anymore.
>１日、１５時間と４０時間。。。やっていた。。。気持よかった

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>>17058923
なるほど

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>>17058890

Ah, that seems obvious in retrospect. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

日本人は時々面白い連中だね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17059174
日本人は可愛いですよね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17059280
うん

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To people who use/used kanji damage, what did you exactly do to every kanji page? Like writing a bunch of times or reading the mnemonics out loud.

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福島県によると、今までに５年続けていちばんになったのは広島県と福島県だけです。

I cannot figure out how になった works into this, unless it's not always used for something negative?

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>>17059732
What the fuck are you blabbing about? Why would になる be always used for something negative?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17059732
なった is なる
なかった is ない

[Anonymous No.]

日本語をあんまり勉強したくない。でも、それはもう時間がないから。

[Anonymous No.]

can i close anki in the middle of my reviews and come back later today and go from where i was? i want to take a break and play some games but it causes lag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17060278
死ぬのかい？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17060293
Very simplistic text.

[Anonymous No.]

おはよう！！
私は日本語を勉強、LINE　があります。
そして、あなたはほしですか。私を仲間に入れてください！！！
id> esmeraldadrop
よろしくお願いします

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>>17060291
Yes, provided the rollover date doesn't pass in the meantime.

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>>17060298
Wow look at this Japanese pro over here. I bet you even managed to pass the N4, you haughty bastard you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17060314
Your N2-kun-ness really seeps through your post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17060293
Holy fucking shit m8
I can read that shit easily.
This fucking wall would have probably made me piss in me pants like some little girl just one month ago.
I mean look at that shit, being all vertical and all wally and shit.

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>>17060329
Congratulations! Now you're a certified N5.

[Anonymous No.]

I understand that に is used to identify the target, and で is used to identify the context of which the action is performed. So with that in mind, are both these sentences correct?
レストランで昼ご飯を食べた
レストランに昼ご飯を食べた

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>>17060332
Hah, hardly, i'm far too good for merely N5, i'm probably N6 or N7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17060351
に feels weird and で feels natural.

[Anonymous No.]

秘すれば花

[Anonymous No.]

What does it say in the blue circle?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17060455

attack

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>>17060455
Don't listen to >>17060465 he clearly don't know what he's talking about.
It says アタック.

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>>17060351
From what I've gathered, で　is used to specify the location of an activity, whereas に is used to specify the location of existing (いる/ある)
, or activities that are headed towards the location　(レストランに行く)
食べる is an activity, therefore で is more appropriate.

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why not go to international school to learn

[Anonymous No.]

>>17060703
I'd rather focus on getting a real education and doing Japanese on the side.

[Anonymous No.]

does "relearning" a card eat up a new card per day slot?

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>>17060703
Is there a single person that ever learnt a language through a school ?
Serious question, so expecting a serious answer, no 冗談.

[Anonymous No.]

>open up DJT Kana on my mac
>font is different than when I used it on my windows pc
why is this happening? I thought the fonts were stored on the website or something

[Anonymous No.]

なんでアメリカのあのんって

えらそうなの？

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>>17060902
>windows
I mean linux

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>>17060902
Many times other fonts than western on a website is not defined so it depends on browser settings what font is used. Also, different operating systems and different browsers have different font rendering so that even the same font can look somewhat different.

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>>17060973
oh, I knew about font rendering, but I thought the fonts would be included with the webpage and css like with western sites. thanks for replying!

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>>17060884
>冗談
Learned that one today. So proud of myself for this small victory.

>>17060902
>>17060964
Besides what this >>17060973 anon said, you might be using a custom font on your linux that is not in the media folder. Check this link https://apps.ankiweb.net/docs/manual.html#installing-fonts for more info.

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正気の沙汰じゃない

人間の術じゃない

神の所業だ

[Anonymous No.]

視線が下に向く

呟き始めた

「わたしはゲイ」

[Anonymous No.]

So I have found a really cute japanese girl online that lives in my country, and I have been studying Japanese for two years now at university, albeit a supplementary course but I'm around high-school level and achieved good results.
Would she be offended or impressed if I tried to contact her in Japanese? I feel I could at least hold conversation and ask her to meet up.
Secondly, do Japanese people still use はじめまして　and よろしくお願いします　when they speak online or are there less formal ways to open conversation that are still not offensive to her?
I don't know much informal Japanese as my course primarily focuses on a polite foundation.
ありがとう

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>>17060884
I learned English at a language school, but what mastered me was the internet.

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>>17061236
youre a fuckin creep objectively please dont cause trouble for regular people

[Anonymous No.]

>>17061236
Ask in /int/.

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>>17061236
Yeah that's kinda rude.
Try the following, it's most proper :
>おっす！あんたやりたい？セクやりたい？

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>>17061264
Thanks, thought this was the most appropriate board, didn't think of /int/.
>>17061267
I can at least read that kek 7/10 made me reply

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>>17060884
school is good for getting a foundation
the rest is practice

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>勝つのは難しいかもしれないけど、負けない試合は、どれだけ対策しているかどうか…
winning might be hard, but for a unloseable match, ???
i don't see how the meaning connects

[Anonymous No.]

What's that phrase "don't call me x"?
sounds like te ieu?

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>>17061371
Fuck me sideways with a rake, we're complete pussies, how the fuck can we win this thing ?
The cactus dildo is though, if we lose there's no fucking way to know whether we'll have a way to salvage this fucking shit.
No seriously Akira, go buy some meth or something, we need to be in top form for this match of intergalactic curling. I need cash to pay for my three ex-wives, fuck am i weak for chink puss.

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支離滅裂とはこういうものであろう

[Anonymous No.]

How long does it take you to get accustomed to an author's writing style?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17061472
Like 10 minutes.

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>>17061472
READ FAGGOT
DON'T BE LAZY READ
REAAAAD

Fuck i need someone coaching me, i am ashamed.
Today only 7 hours of japanese, what a fucking laughable shame to be tbf

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前から後ろそれとも後ろから前に

どっちのほうかな

[Anonymous No.]

I decided to finally read my first VN.
I'm thinking about Tone Work's Gin'iro Haruka or
Hoshi Ori Yume Mirai because they seem like easy daily life vocabulary filled games. If someone have played them, could you tell me which one was easier? Or even recommend me another VN good for beginner?

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>>17061391
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCq5SPRBiz0

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>>17061657
Just pick the VN you want to read the most, they're both probably about the same difficulty.

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>>17061657
They're both boring low quality games and way too long. You'll 100% drop them.

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>>17061692
>Monobeno
>easy
I wish.

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>>17061699
i mean if you really wanna go there all those fuckin idiot games are low quality tripe that are only interesting if you were born yesterday

[Anonymous No.]

>>17061786
Read more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17061793
?

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>I haven't checked Imabi in a while, let's see what's new
>388 lessons that range from Beginner to Classical Japanese
That's complete autism right there. Is it worth it?

[Anonymous No.]

watch the new final fantasy 14 video game producer chat on twitch right now to learn more japanese than whatever youre doing right now

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>>17061817
He's doing god's work. Especially classical japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

So I started using HelloTalk but most Japanese just stop responding after a few days.

Do they not like chatting with foreigners?

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>>17061895
Maybe they realised that you're a gigantic faggot and went pratice english with someone else.

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>>17061895
Why are you immediately generalizing it into "foreigners", do you have ego issues? The first step is analyzing your own behavior which is where in all likelihood the issue lies.

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>>17061657
Pick some nukige. Seriously there's nothing better as a first VN. The vocabulary is easy enough and your dick makes you want to keep learning.

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>>17061909
>The first step is analyzing your own behavior which is where in all likelihood the issue lies.
obviously

but I'm not sure if asking about how their week went is an issue though

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>>17061895
have you ever considered they just dont like chatting with you

[Anonymous No.]

>>17061895
Do non-japanese like to chat with you?

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>>17061968
very much so

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>>17061919
It's a language exchange app. Just stop chatting like it's a dating app.

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/11A_YF14F12rIC6ciu1GB0WrD3DvZMy8TPZooeVYg5_s/edit

Outline of Genki I and II

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>>17062369
what to use this for? revision?

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Do you just read through the DOJG by itself, or only look it up when you encounter unknown grammar?

[Anonymous No.]

>nips need a second alphabet for """emphasis""" and so dirty foreign words don't contaminate muh pure hiragana

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>>17062537
Lookin' pretty green there, fellow redditor.

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>>17061692
I don't remember if this is the bad chart or not, but just in case it is, stop posting this particular chart, it's basically a list of VNs that the people who made it knew existed, not a list of VNs that a "relatively" easy to read, most of them are just ordinary japanese.

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Besides, The House in Fata Morgana, which is one of the very few worthwhile VNs to read, isn't even on the list.

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so to learn the kana i just do it by rote repetition until i recognize them, right?
(apologies for a really stupid question.)

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>>17062606
はい

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write them a whole bunch u should learn them by writing them if nothing else

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>>17062606
The guide in the OP has the link you want. Kanateacher I believe.

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>>17061895
>women always respond with one liners
>forces me to solely maintain conversation flow
>conversation inevitably dies a few days later
And let's not forget the
>leaving you on read

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anyone has japanese from zero books?

[Anonymous No.]

how do i interpret this? How shitty am i doing?

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>>17062937
Fucking embarassing. Are you even trying?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17062937
install true retention

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>>17062954
ごめんねあにき
>>17062962

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>>17062974
yeah you're doing fine

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>>17062975
i'm using genki because that's the stuff I'm following with my professor.

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>>17062993
>professor
DJT is for big boys only.

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>>17063003
She's 22 though, not really my professor, i just call her that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063004
Yeah, the term you're looking for is "mistress"

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>>17063016
I get to try asking her out with the excuse that I'm learning

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Are the N1 folks here successful people or キモオタニートおっさん types that have time to read light novels and eroge all day long?

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>>17063077
キモオタニートおっさん types

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>>17062770
That just means they aren't interested. If they are, they'll keep the conversation flow themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063077
イケメンでモテすぎる成功（性行）者やん

[Anonymous No.]

ねえあのん

あのんはあたしがきらいなのかな

いちどもわらっているのをみたことがない

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is 感じられた sometimes used as a potential to make an impression seem more vague, or does it only make sense as a passive verb? For instance in this sentence:

返事は無い……。それでもなんとなく、機体の主が、俺を注視しているのが感じられた。

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>>17063135
見たまえ、俺の笑顔だ

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>>17063144
What's wrong with "I could feel his gaze on me"? There's nothing vague about it and it's the potential form.

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>>17063163
There's nothing wrong with the passive form in that sentence either. "The grace was felt". It sounds weird in English but not in Japanese. I'm not sure either what it actually is.

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>>17063185
gaze* of course

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>>17063163
Somehow I feel like the use of "can" there in english is kind of idiomatic, and I wouldn't expect the same meaning to result in other languages. Specifically, when you say "I can feel x" in english what you usually mean is "I am feeling x" where x is probably something outside yourself, and it doesn't really have much to do with potentiality.

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>>17063283
I think you just don't know what can means.

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>>17063283
Well I don't agree, you can reword it to "I was able to feel his gaze on me" if you don't see enough potentiality in the verb "could".
I still think passive sounds strange in that sentence, especially since 俺を is clearly stated. Would you say "A gaze on me was felt"?

Then again I'm an ESL, probably not the best person to go around lecturing anyone on the English language. In any case I think the original sentence is clear enough without worrying too much about the exact grammar.

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Fresh new meme hot off the presses

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>>17063163
機体の主が、
俺を注視しているのが
感じられた。

XXXXが感じられた。

Potential and passive are the same thing here because 感じる is an experiential verb.

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>>17063304
Actually now that I think about it, if you compare it with verbs like 聞こえる and 見える a potential there wouldn't seem so strange.

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Beginner here. After looking over the resources I've decided I'm gonna go forward with The Kodansha Kanji Learner's course as my main source of Kanji study. I'm just wondering what is a good amount of pages to tackle daily? I just finished reading the intro, and it gave an example of 5 pages a day. That would be about 20 new Kanji daily. Is that too many?

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>>17063348
>5 pages a day
>too many
Let me guess, american?

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>>17062574
It's trollchart obviously.
>VNs with japanese folklore
>easy

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>>17063348
Just go at the pace that works for you. Review those 20 kanji the following day and decide if it's too easy or too hard for you.

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>>17063348
Depends entirely on how much you want to learn, lots of variables. Do you learn to draw the Kanji? Do you learn readings (or the main on reading or whatever)? Do you learn all the marked vocabulary? Do you only learn the keyword? Depending on what you do 20 is either a breeze or quite a feat.
Personally I think it's best to use recall cards and put all the vocabulary and readings in Hiragana on the front and draw the back so you disconnect from the keywords, which shouldn't go beyond an initial memory hook into the Kanji. If your goal isn't to draw Kanji you can just work with recognition and learn keywords I suppose, but I don't feel that that is all that valuable.

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>まあ普通から外れるためにただ極端に走るだけっていうのも貧困のあらわれだと思うから、メリハリだと思うんだけどさ。

メリハリ means what here?

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>>17063348
Also a beginner here, and 20 seems reasonable for the long term. I binged remembering the hiragana and remembering the katakana over the course of two days and it felt barely doable. Maybe I'm a brainlet

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>>17063368
It's not about the contents but all about grammatical difficulty anon. Flyable Heart is relatively "heavy" in terms of kanji requirements (1800 if I recall correctly), however the grammatical difficulty is not that high thus being able to be read by many anons. The same applies to some of those VNs.

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>>17063408
That's below average, not heavy.

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>>17063408
These VNs aren't "relatively easy to read". Most of them are just plain normal. That's the facts.

>Flyable Heart is relatively "heavy" in terms of kanji requirements (1800 if I recall correctly),
Dude, what?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm trying to find raws or soft-subbed episodes for the first few hundred Gintama episodes but all torrents are dead or are shitty quality with English hard subs. Anyone can help me out?

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>>17063421
Ah, it seems the Aurora torrent still is being seeded by some. I didn't try it at first because it only showed leechers.

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>>17063417
>>17063419
For a VN, a moege at that it's a bit above average. Also explicitly stated in parentheses because for a first work for anyone that barely knows their kana it means you'll be slowed down at every opportunity to look up kanji.

And well let's change the phrasing. They're normal which means that their the minimum standard of knowledge anyone should aspire to get. The ones that are harder usually require that you have a decent grasp of more uncommon grammar, thus why the chart is divided like that, with those kind of VNs recommended as first works.

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>>17063462
No it isn't.

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>>17063462
Nobody said flyable heart was hard. Yes, there are a small number of actually easy VNs on that list. But the overwhelming majority of them are just normal japanese.

>it's a bit above average
It's not. At all.

>The ones that are harder usually require that you have a decent grasp of more uncommon grammar, thus why the chart is divided like that, with those kind of VNs recommended as first works.
The division between moe games and plot games on that chart has nothing to do with the difficulty of the actual text in the stories. The people who suggested VNs for this chart were either trolling or had no idea what the actual difficulty level of the VNs they were recommending was.

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>>17057725
What's the difference between this and the /int/ version? I never go to /int/ but I saw a DJT on the front page and was just wondering.

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>>17063531
/int/ is a bit more focused on people learning for career while /jp/ is more focused on learning to be able to consume Japnese media.

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>>17063531

/int/ is more casual. /jp/ is more obsessive.

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>>17063552
This proves otherwise.

https://strawpoll.com/sr5gd1w

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>>17061244
>but what mastered me was the internet.
I'm sorry.

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>>17063557
/int/ is very obsessive.

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>>17061895
Just like real people

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>>17063561
I'm sure a lot of people visit both threads. The biggest difference is probably just flags.

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>>17063470
>>17063474
I've run script analysis for many works and compared with other numbers so I can tell you that in particular for Flyable Heart it is above average. You've been brainwashed if you think you're always reading 2500-3000 kanji in every work. Even Muramasa barely gets to 3080 kanji. Harry Potter book 1 has around 1600 kanji for example.

And again it's all about the grammar and even plots involved to some degree. In no way is FH with it's slice of life stuff harder to read than Baldr Heart with all the technobabble or Gensou no Idea with all the chuuni stuff going around.

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>>17063591
Nice strawman. Doesn't change the fact that it is quite a bit below average for its length.

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>>17063591
Number of kanji is tangential to difficulty and mostly correlated with the size of the script. Flyable Heart has a pretty long script so its low kanji count is below average. Also, my text analysis is better than yours.

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>>17063588
I visit both but mostly only post in /int/ because /jp/ is mean and snobby and nitpicks everything I say when I try to help someone.

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>>17063591
You don't have a Flyable Heart script.

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>>17063595
>>17063598
But now you moved to talk about the script lenght, whereas I'm talking about whole works. You need more kanji to read FH unlike some other stuff like Suigetsu, simple as that, whole reason why the "heavy in kanji" thing came from.

And not really, difficulty isn't related to script lenght to the extent you make it out to be. You could spend 10 hours analyzing a couple of pages of poems written in old stuff compared to reading hundreds of pages about the description of what Ai-chan eats and sees. Again going back to the point as why it's considered easy like many other works.

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>>17063691
I feel like you might have a brain issue since you can't grasp simple logic.
>You need more kanji to read FH
No you don't, no matter how much you twist and turn your semantics. It is below average in kanji count.

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>>17063691
>You need more kanji to read FH unlike some other stuff like Suigetsu, simple as that, whole reason why the "heavy in kanji" thing came from.

You don't "need kanji" to read something. That's not how japanese works.

Suigetsu is much shorter than Flyable Heart.

>And not really, difficulty isn't related to script lenght to the extent you make it out to be.

Flyable Heart has a kanji count that isn't indicative of how hard it is, because it's long. It's long, therefore hard kanji are simply more likely to make it into the text. This has nothing to do with how difficulty a given section of the text is. Unique kanji are only indicative of relative difficulty between stories of the same length.

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>>17063691
1800 is not a lot of kanji for any reasonably long story. Not even for a "moege". That's a fact.

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>>17063591
Kanji count doesn't matter.
What matters is the words and they frequency of usage in real life.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone give me an explanation on how to use 時 properly? I've read through the DoJG about it but I still can't figure it out exactly. Could someone give me some examples or point me in the direction of a resource where I could practice this? Would be much appreciated, thanks.

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>>17063774
Read more.

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>>17063774
時 is a noun. When you make a relative clause that modifies 時, it usually means "the time that X". Basically there's nothing special about it at all aside from the fact that it's a common way of using 時.

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>>17063710
Could say exactly the same about you dude. But unlike the other anon that tries to explain his views you're just saying "you're wrong" without trying to prove your point so I'm over with you.

>>17063712
Again you're talking about the length. I was talking purely about a kanji number. However >>17063752
>>17063757
reading this and considering deeply that point of view has convinced me about what you're trying to say in that regard.
However I still maintain one of the main points about that chart about the VNs: Many of they are there recommended as easy first works simply due to the grammar and plot points they dwelve around so it isn't exactly a troll chart.

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>>17063774

私はイク時に、「REEEEEEEEEE」を叫び出しちゃうの

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063788
>Again you're talking about the length. I was talking purely about a kanji number.
I'm not talking about the length. I'm talking about the kanji count. The kanji count depends on the length. You cannot talk about the kanji count without talking about the length.

Suigetsu's script text is 1.83MB. Flyable Heart's is 2.3MB. Note that the size for Suigetsu is an upper bound, and the size for Flyable Heart is a lower bound.

Suigetsu's median playtime on EGS is 20時間. Flyable Heart's is 22時間.

Suigetsu is 42k lines long. Flyable Heart is 47k lines long.

>However I still maintain one of the main points about that chart about the VNs: Many of they are there recommended as easy first works simply due to the grammar and plot points they dwelve around so it isn't exactly a troll chart.

It is a troll chart. I was there when it was made. Several of the people recommending VNs for it were trolling. That chart has several legitimately difficult games on it. Yes, easy games did end up on it, that does not mean the chart is good. Learners have literally no idea what the difficulty of the games on it is other than the kanji count, which is only an extremely vague indicator, and games with a low kanji count can by all means be difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

troll chart for a troll thread sounds par for the course

can we just close djt yet who does all this stupid pedantry argument shit help

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063797
>Flyable Heart is 47k lines long.
i found that to be pointless
still trying to get through all the girls routes myself as an eternal beginner. Troll or not, I'm still learning and mining, though after finishing it once its become harder to mine

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063826
>Troll or not, I'm still learning and mining
Flyable Heart is one of the few actual "relatively easy" games on the chart. But that doesn't mean the chart is good just because you happened to pick FH. There are tons of other VN rec charts out there that aren't anywhere near as bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063834
is this a troll one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063797
The point is any VN chart is just going to be a bunch of random VNs put on a chart. You say that several of the people recommending VNs for it were trolling, but none of the VNs there are especially difficult. People are raising Monobeno as an example of why it's bad, I've read it and outside of the start of Sumi's after route, it's perfectly fine for people learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063853
it is

youre safer hitting random on vndb and playing the first thing that comes up than to do anything anyone says itt

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063853
That one just has a couple dumb choices instead of being dumb overall. Most charts are like that. At the very least it says "sometimes contains made-up fantasy or technical words". I still wouldn't ever post that chart, there's better ones in the CoR.

>>17063856
Monobeno isn't really one of the hard games on it, though I would still say it shouldn't be called "relatively easy". Also the fact that someone responded to me with a troll chart I made is very ironic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063869
that's what >>17063856 did and desu most of the choices on his are still better than the charts of "games random people on /jp/ know aren't as hard as muramasa"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063856
>You say that several of the people recommending VNs for it were trolling, but none of the VNs there are especially difficult.

The problem is these charts are directed at beginners. Not learners in general. They specifically give a sense of the VNs on then being Relatively Easy.

Difficulty isn't a binary thing. There's a huge hilly countryside between the fields of Hanahira and the jagged cliffs of Dies irae. And the earlier charts adopted from the VN threads weren't really made by people with a good understanding of how to identify things that are especially easy.

It would probably be more useful to make a list of "Super hard games you shouldn't even try to read until you're fluent unless you're some kind of sick masochist".

[Anonymous No.]

the problems with these lists is youre taking people fresh outta anki community college and tyler kim technical institute and trying to tell them they can suddenly try to read material for young adults/adults

theres a reason why theres more than a handful of these stupid things and its because people are deluded into thinking that if they roll around long enough something will feel good -- but it never will until you stop monkeying around and get back to basics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrqO4eSqRC4

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063873
Sometimes I forget that these arguments are always the same people every time.

>>17063892
I don't agree with this, I consider these charts being for learners in general. When you first start with VNs in Japanese it's a bit daunting to know what to read first because there's so many of them, so having a bunch of specific VNs provided to you to give you a head start is nice. If you wanted one for beginners, it should have a much smaller number of very carefully picked VNs all Hanahira or Yotsuba-tier difficulty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063927
>I don't agree with this, I consider these charts being for learners in general.
Yeah, charts that are like that are fine, my problem with >>17061692 boils do to it calling itself a chart for beginners when it's just another arbitrary VN rec chart, just without the chuunige.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063927
why is aokana on this list?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063947
「あ、ごめんごめん。もし良かったらって感じで、別に必要無ければひと」
「ありがとうございますっ！！！」
「うわっ！」
女の子は、突如跳ねるようにしてこちらに近づくと、いきなり俺の手を取って、ブンブンと上下に振った。
「はあ〜っ、やっぱり島の人ですね、親切ですね！　仇州は人情の国やけん、心配せんでよかよ、っておばさんが言ってた通りでした！！」
「い、いや、あの……」
「仇州男児、って言うんですかね、なんかこういうの、憧れます、かっこいいです！」
憧れとか格好いいのハードルが下がりすぎだろ、と思いつつも、
「あの、さ」
「はいっ、なんでしょう！」
「いや、あの……手」
「はい？」
そこでようやく、女の子は自分の手をジッと見つめる。
面白いぐらいに、その顔色はキューッと赤くなると、
「うわわっ！」
パッと手を離し、ペコペコと頭を下げた。
「ごっ、ごめんなさいごめんなさい！　わたしったら今日初めて会って名前も知らない人の手を握ったりして、もうとてもすみません！」

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063947
because reading comprehension is not even something that can be approached yet just be thankful you can read some of the words and enjoy the pictures xd

oh and it really doesnt help not being japanese so you can understand where authors are coming from on various issues and topics

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063936
It doesn't say it's a chart for beginners, it just says they're relatively easy to read.

>>17063947
AoKana goes on every list.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063973
Okay, let me say it in a way that's compatible with autism. My problem with it boils do to it trying to be a chart for beginners when it's just another arbitrary VN rec chart, just without the chuunige.

Oh, and it's worse than the chart it was based on. Basically half of the VNs it adds look innocent on the surface but are actually not "relatively easy" at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063973
fukken saved

[Anonymous No.]

How do I copy some cards from one deck and put them into another?

[Anonymous No.]

>material you can read is boring
>advanced material takes too much effort

[Anonymous No.]

Working on RTK, is 40-50 kanji per day too much? I have 4 hours available to study each day, and I'm just memorizing the individual meaning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064177
I started to burn out towards the end doing 30 a day. The reviews that build up are the tedious part rather than the new cards.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not even 1000 cards into the 6K core deck and they are already teaching me shit like "embassy" and "legislator" like bitch I don't even know what those mean in english give me something useful

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064312
Whenever visiting a foreign country, no matter what it is, you ought to learn at least five words in the language predominantly speaked there: "toilet/bathroom", "airport", "food", "embassy", "help".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKjaFG4YN6g

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064108
if you cant read it, you only know its advanced, not if its good

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064108
Maybe it's boring because you're not being challenged.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064343
bruh im trying to learn the whole language im not just visiting. i just think those kind of words should be some of the last ones i see in the deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064405
The decks are made for the public, so they are bound to be as general as possible only containing the supposedly most common and/or important words you need to know. So expect so see words that would be useful in a restaurant, hotels, asking directions, and stuff like that.
That's why many folks here keep saying to start mining as soon as you can to bypass that and learn what is required right now by the thing you're reading, etc. Whatever path you choose I think is right since in the end you'll end knowing the words but keep in mind that mining is a strong option if for some reason you heavily dislike what the decks present to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063954
>implying it's like that the whole way through

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064390
I get bored because I'm not reading fast enough to feel compelled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17062537
You are actually retarded in the medical sense.

[Anonymous No.]

薬効的にわたしはゲイ爆笑

[Anonymous No.]

I thought you were memeing when you said hanahira was short.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064740

Kind of off topic, but how hard is Fate S/N to read on the typical 1-5 scale?

[Anonymous No.]

I want to speak hakataben to sound cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064748
Somewhere between 3 and 4 assuming hanachirasu is similar enough in difficulty to dies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064753

[Anonymous No.]

よむは本を読む！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064753
>>17064758
Wait, where did you get those spreadsheets?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064822
I made it using a python script, some scripts, and a text analyzer linked in the resource list.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064834
Did you use NLTK to stem the words in order to compare them to the decks? Did you use jprocessing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064849
The analyzer uses kuromoji which is like mecab but slightly better. If you want more information I can go read about it and tell you what I learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064863
No need, anon. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064753
>>17064758
>1k, 2k, 4k, 7k
Are those unique word amounts and their coverage?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064883
Yes, using most common N terms from that script alone and defining coverage in terms of recorded terms (ignoring names, punctuation, etc completely).

[Anonymous No.]

Why is 日々 read as hibi, and not hihi? Is that just the way it is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064887
Intervocalic voicing. h used to be p, b is the voiced version of p.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064177
I started off at a pace of 50 cards/day, which slowly dropped to about 25/day by the time I was nearing the end. I felt that around ~1500 I was getting seriously sick of it because I had a guaranteed 45 minutes of reps before I got to the new cards and there were so many overlaps in keyword meanings that I kept getting things "wrong".

Basically what >>17064248 said.

Try to find a RTK deck that has good alternative keywords, readings and/or Japanese vocab, that way when a keyword is ambiguous you can always associate it with something else.

[Anonymous No.]

見つかった人の骨の中には全身の骨もありました

I cannot understand this. They found the whole body’s bones in the bones of the found person？ Does this mean they found a complete skeleton， maybe？
Context is finding a skeleton at an archeological dig

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065061
の中 means "among" here

Among the discovered human bones were all the bones of an entire body

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065061
>a complete skeleton
あ..あれえないよ、そんなこと

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065069

Ah, that makes sense. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065076
あり得ない＊

[Anonymous No.]

so why was /djt/ banned from /a/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065122
one of them gave up and sperged out, with enough weaponized autism to enrage a mod

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065141
jesus christ, the spergs always ruin it for everybody.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17057725
anons wanna help me out? I remember a site I used where I can be penpals/emailpals with JP speakers but the name seems to have escaped my mind. Do any anons know it? Or a few sites that fits the description?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065153
japan-guide, If I remember correctly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065144
it ended up better after the mod on here allowed this one, there are actually some fundamental differences in the way people want to learn this language between /int/ and /jp/
Here is an obvious refuge from flags and shitposting surrounding that
I feel like this side also does not focus as much on production, and just consumption
/int/ is much more inclined to travel there, put test scores on resumes, perhaps find a wife. They are far more extroverted basically
We don't care and just want escapism into the media

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065160
>japan-guide

thanks anon I appreciate it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065160
>>17065172

quick question, how deep in my studies should I be till I can use this site and make penpals? I don't want to embarass myself but damn it would be fun trying to communicate to someone that actually lives the language

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065195
Learn grammar, look up words you want to use, send message.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065211
I'm only halfway through the first genki book and workbook. I assume I need to at least go through it beforehand?

[Anonymous No.]

I came across たまには when reading and from DOJG it talks about infrequency in a positive aspect. If that's the case I'm a little conflicted on what 「たまには学園行ったら?」 means, does it have to be strictly positive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065231
Write an essay, about anything or why your learning Japanese.
Post it here and you'll see if you need more studying or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065264
They're implying it would have a positive outcome aren't they?
Also, I've heard it without the は when someone said たまにいい事を言うね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17060021
>>17060298
You absolute fucking autist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065277
Well in context the person has a dangerous amount of absences already, so I assume it's used sarcastically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065269
I'm not confident enough to do that. So I will continue my grind.

I guess just looking at the few profiles in full english made me want to do it for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065264
>「たまには学園行ったら?」
"And if you went to campus once in a while?"
(assuming context)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065315
Thanks, makes a lot more sense now.

[Anonymous No.]

I wish I could spend more time learning Japanese but there is so much other work I have to do. I don't think I'll make it friends, the days are just too short. I'm resigning for now friends, I'm crying a little bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065332
Just like learn japanese. Doesn't have to be something you have to resign from. Got a spare hour a day? Poke manga with a stick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065332
glad I have to repeat a year I can still focus on japanese until my debut into professional world

[Anonymous No.]

>>17057725
Where can I learn about the conjugations circled in the image?
What book/site covers this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17060380
>>17060361
Thanks mate

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065379
shit my bad
This image

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

うめしゅつくるよ

おくる？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065372
what happen to ur face

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065466
久しぶりな気がする
元気？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065505
かぜでたおれたので

よつばにきました

[Anonymous No.]

I came across this while reading yotsuba
あんまりのり出すと危ないぞー
What does the のり in this sentence mean? (or is it just some particle and I'm retarded)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065605
it's のり出す, 乗り出す

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065628
ah I see. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065384
>>17065379

Pretty much any textbook should cover that.

Or one of my favourite resources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n7StZvy-UQ

[Anonymous No.]

>猫の手も借りたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065666
のってるの

なんえん？

[Anonymous No.]

What does it mean to 抑揚をつけず/つける ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065332
Even 30 min a day is fine.
Every day after I wake up I pop up NHK news and read one article. Learning that way may take me 10 years, but it's better than not learning it at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064108
>intermediate hell
Just read nukige my man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065711
Exactly what it seems to mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065286
You seem very N2'd.

[Anonymous No.]

I DON'T WANT TO DO ANKI TODAY!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065711
It means to つける 抑揚. Both of these are easy to look up in the dictionary and there's no trick to their meaning together.

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone share their experience in learning to read? I would like to be able to read 小説 but every time I pick up a book there are at least 1-2 words per sentence I don't understand. It seems like the amount of new vocab is never ending. I feel like I could read an entire book, learn all the vocab in it, pick up another book, and know just as little vocab as I did for the first book.

I'm currently trying to slog through the 10k deck (sorted by JLPT level, currently working through 1400 N2 words) and while I truly can feel my vocab improving (I see and have used many of the words I've learned) it would be nice if someone confirmed there is indeed light at the end of the tunnel.

Perhaps I'm just impatient, but at this point I've already spent seven weeks wandering the deserts of learning Japanese, searching for, but not finding, the path to fluency. Any advice or thoughts from those who have walked the path would be greatly appreciated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065782
The last like 5% of words in a given book are used like once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065782
The problem is you're doing a core deck instead of mining. Also the fact that you give up too quickly. If you force yourself to read for a few hours every day it gets a lot easier very quickly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065782
Seven weeks is nothing. Read every day, look up every unknown word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065761
Then don't

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065792
But other people here reach fluency in such time. I want that too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065782
>I feel like I could read an entire book, learn all the vocab in it, pick up another book, and know just as little vocab as I did for the first book.

You may feel like that, but it's not true. For every book it gets easier. For every page it gets easier, even. Yes, it will take a long time to get fluent in reading, but if you just keep at it, you will get there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065806
>But other people here reach fluency in such time.

No they don't, lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065806
no they don't

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065685
1200￥ぐらい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065761
do it or you are heading to the infernal spiral of anki piled reviews
stop adding new words
worst case scenario use skip today review add on

[Anonymous No.]

>not reading muramasa fluently after three weeks
What are you, senile?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065810
>>17065811
You're just slow. I don't want to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065806
>But other people here reach fluency in such time

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065822
えんまーくは、あたまにつけるよ

おしりには．－をつけることになっているよ

>\1,200.-

なんでこうかくのかはしらないよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065864
>￥1,200-ぐらい
こうですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065892
円と銭をつかってたなごりで

しょうすうてんをかくことになっているんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

.ははぶけないよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065761
Okay then read something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065899
>￥1,200.-
やりなおしたけど、妹さんは意外なこだわりさんですね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065782
>it would be nice if someone confirmed there is indeed light at the end of the tunnel.
"No one in the history of humanity has ever become fluent in a second language" sounds dumb doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065912
わっかんないんだけど

>1,200JPY

これもおなじ意味になるのかな？

あ、さうざんど、あんど、つーはんどれっ、じゃぱにーず、いぇん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065782
>Perhaps I'm just impatient, but at this point I've already spent seven weeks wandering the deserts of learning Japanese, searching for, but not finding, the path to fluency.
>seven weeks
I don't have enough condescending images to mock you with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065967
Says a slow learner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17063856
Any VN chart except this one, which is great.
It understands at a beginner level, most everything is equally hard so just reading compelling material is best, with nudges towards moege and SOL due to the tendency to have less vocabulary.
But it also points out directions to go for explicit improvement - the harder works of sci-fi and a few examples of such settings in Hello World and Hatsuru Koto Naki Mirai Yori (which is Sci-Fantasy)
And then finally, for the jagged cliffs of Dies irae, it expertly identifies that Masada has had copy cats try to copy his style, and thus directs learners to read those inferior Archer-esque copycat works to improve without spoiling kamige (though it knows not to recommend kusoge, and thus lists only copycat games of a certain degree of high quality).

This chart is for learners in the perfect way, not just an assortment of random highly-recommended good titles. It's the only VN rec chart one needs. Whoever made it is was surely very insightful with regards to learning Japanese with VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065985
Don't you feel embarrassed talking about yourself like this? And no, it's as bad if not worse than the others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065991
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.]

I would like to point out that giving undue attention and conducting boring discussions about external circumstances surrounding learning, namely abourt learning methods, learning programs, statistics said programs give you, making charts with media recommendations based on your extremely subjective views etc., is one of the main signs of one's inability to learn well.

Especially Reddit, namely /r/learnjapanese, is famous for such discussions and we all know how terrible and slow learners people from it are.

In closing, the best way to learn is learning, not talking about learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066009
Making charts and memes is just for fun, it's no sign of failing to learn.
Read for 5 hours, anki for 5 hours, spend some minutes making a chart of what you've read, spend some minutes making a meme, spend some minutes talking about your anki stats, it's no connection. It's just all fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066009
Well reading is essential, don't you think? It's inevitable that people would talk about what to read once they get bored of the same routine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066019
Will you get perturbed if I state the pictured book isn't hard?

Or is it a joke pick pointing out that big masses of text seen at once seem intimidating, which means that VNs that generally show one or two lines at a time seem easier in comparison to books, even if said books might be just as easy in reality?

[Anonymous No.]

Why are you learning japanese?
What's your goal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066038
Nah. I've mentioned this before but people in DJT will call literally all Japanese easy, because it's all Japanese, yeah? Muramasa, easy. Dies irae, easy. It's only natural that people will call LoGH easy too. I won't get perturbed that you missed the point, as people always do that here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066040

For fun and a challenge. In my line of work would look good on a resume.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066043
What's the point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066050
>would look good on a resume.
You're fucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066038
Probably just someone who plays porn games all day and never even tried reading a book. I think most people would be surprised to find out that the average book is a lot easier to read than the average eroge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066040
To live happily ever after.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065912
ちゃんとかかないとおこられるとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066053
Why would he?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066052
The hint is that it's "intermediate hell explained" in the filename. It's not explicitly stated, so it's easy to miss the point, which is that... the image is made from a learners perspective! Naturally, one who knows Japanese won't consider it hard. Naturally, it's not the hardest Japanese that exists, which would actually be pure manyogana or something of the sort. But it is very difficult text for a intermediate just graduating from beginner books and getting into reading native material, starting off with easy-looking nukige and moege. That's the point. The learner's perspective! The intermediate's perspective!
Coincidentally, in DJT the intermediate level is falsely defined at "the level I am currently at". So if you thought just now, "I'm an intermediate and it's easy to me", know that your definition of intermediate follows this fallacy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066059
そうね、少なくとも他人に逆撫でしてかもしれない

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066040
Manga, eroge, anime, literature, cinema, music, video games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066040
For manga and helping with others' translation requests

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065806
3 months is the general benchmark with the proper methods. 7 weeks is too short.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066106
>3 months for fluency
bahahahaha

[Anonymous No.]

万難を排してトロールとな

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066106
Try 3 years, not months

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066075
そうね、にほんでいちばんに

ずーっとずーっと９ねんかん

おしえこまれることは

>Youは、自由にしてください

ではなく

>Youは、たにん様にめいわくをかけないでください

だよ。へんなくにだけど、そういう国だよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066107
>>17066148
Again, you need to be using the correct methods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr1aAA9znJo

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066170
Made me chuckle even though I know you're trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066150
「負けないようにして」ではなく「勝つためにやれ」

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo4eTmzsRs8

[Anonymous No.]

Will we ever make it?

[Anonymous No.]

全くそんな気配はありません

残念だが当然

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a plugin for anki that can rewind your schedule back a day?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066258
Define "making it"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066341
シフォンケーキの材料が集まって、いつの間にか日本語をできる

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066309

Yes, but be careful not to run into yourself when you go back a day, if you do you will create a time paradox and your anki data will be stuck in limbo forever, never able to be accessed again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066364
あたしの一番好きなもの知ってる？

ケーキおなら

[Anonymous No.]

>漁港、お寿司屋さん、コンビニ、カラオケボックス、コンビニ、１００均、は潰れコンビニに。
I don't get this は潰れxに construction. So all the things before are next to a out of business conbini store? That sounds wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

Does the に particle indicate the source or agent when attached to a intransitive verb?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066043
LoGH is pretty easy though

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066440
Did you not read the post you replied to?
"DJT will always do X", and then you did X. It's almost funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066515
LoGH is pretty easy though

[Anonymous No.]

LoGH is pretty easy though

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066515
looks like you tripped his autism circuit, careful now

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065653
I want to fuck takepan-sensei.

[Anonymous No.]

LoGH IS pretty easy though

[Anonymous No.]

logh is pretty ez though

[Anonymous No.]

easy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066607
You strike me as very N2'd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066440
>>17066572
>>17066600
>>17066612
>>17066634
You're easy.

You fucking sluts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066695
the memer becomes the memee

[Anonymous No.]

mushishi is so fucking good. just being able to watch it without subs was almost enough to justify learning this language

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066780
It's pretty easy though

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066804
I'm pretty shit as listening though

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066810
But it is pretty easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066695
>You fucking sluts.

l-lewd...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066309
I think you can disconnect from the internet, change your computer's date, do your reps, then change the date back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066610
Me too.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not actually a learner.
Just thought I should share this with you guys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066780

[Anonymous No.]

日本語よく使うフレーズ教えてちょうだい（イージーお願いします）

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067045
中出しの喜び

[Anonymous No.]

A week of core and Duolingo and I'm slowly picking up what you guys are saying.

Tbh core is doing more than Duo is, but hey variety.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067092
fuck off retarded shill

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067098

I didn't say Duolingo was amazing or anything those are just what I'm using. I'm also reading through Tae Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067092
This. Duolingo really is the next level of Japanese learning software...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067357
Do not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066432
お願いします

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066054
>>17066054
Pretending to be retarded is actually Just Being Retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067357
Ironic shitposting is just shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the methods you guys deem best/have been using to learn Kanji?

RTK looks like a meme with its mnemonics and lack of readings.
I heard Kodansha' actually gives readings and some sort of radical stuff.
Rote memorization is only for the suicidal (not really, learning the stroke order of certain kanji and writing them out improved my memory tenfold) with shit ton of time on their hands.

Anyone used Radicals or found them worth learning? I'm not really sure because i didn't see that many people mention them.

How do Mandarin learners put up with the thousands of characters?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067414
Kanji aren't japanese so there's actually no point in learning them in isolation unless you have brain damage. Common mistake, I know, but if you study kanji and grammar you still won't actually be able to read anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067357
you know duo lingo made learning japanese easy and fun highly recommend

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067430
Ironic shitposting is just shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067433
or in the case of you posting is shitposting

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066432
>>17067371
I don't understand what your question means without an example.
Here's に being used with intransitive verbs:
田舎に出る to go out into the countryside
闇に落ちる to fall into darkness
赤色に染まる to be dyed red
中庭に生える to grow in the courtyard
船に乗る to get onto a boat
朝に起きる to get up in the morning
に can be used to mark the place or time an action takes place, the destination or direction of an action, the cause/purpose/origin of an action, the result of a change, the means by which an action is achieved, the object of a causative or passive construction, the standard of a comparison, and other things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067414

My method was using RTK with Koohii radicals and mnemonics for the meaning, my own mnemonics for the onyomi/occasionally kunyomi if necessary, but using RTK primarily just as an index for kanji while learning vocabulary. Heisig doesn't recommend it but there is nothing stopping you from utilizing it while still learning from vocabulary (which is a fact DJT often annoyingly ignores when saying RTK is useless). RTK on its own is not ideal for many reasons but as an ancillary resource I have found it valuable.

I prefer RTK to Kodansha. I think that Kodansha, on its own, is better than RTK, but when you factor in all the additional support RTK has by virtue of being around longer with sites like koohii, I think it is the superior resource. With Kodansha, you're limited to whatever's in the book, 2300 characters or whatever. With RTK you have all the community resources available. Try putting any non-jouyou/hyougai kanji into the koohii search, and probably 90% of the time there will be at least one mnemonic for it. Just as a few examples, off the top of my head - but almost anything will work:

http://kanji.koohii.com/study/kanji/%E9%BA%9D
http://kanji.koohii.com/study/kanji/%E6%9A%88
http://kanji.koohii.com/study/kanji/%E7%97%99

If you have no use for mnemonics in the first place and want to learn solely by rote, of course RTK will have no value for you, there's no point in even having a discussion about it. But many people find a mnemonic system useful for memorization even if they don't plan to use it for actual writing production, so it is not totally without value. So between RTK and Kodansha, I would say that if you take into account only the books themselves Kodansha is superior, but RTK is better in the long run thanks to the greater community support.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067491
The line was from the Koe no Katachi movie.
>君に生きるのを手伝ってほしい
The current eng subs are fishy but they all translate it as "I want you to help me live" so I was trying to figure out if it was correct or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067520
Thank you for the reply btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067504
how does it feel to know that you can't learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067520
Yes, in ～てほしい constructions the に can mark the person you want to do the thing.
>あなたに手伝ってほしい
I want you to help

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067564
Ah I see. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

I just noticed the cornucopia of resources has more than one tab...

[Anonymous No.]

What do you guys mean by a mining deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067596
A dulango deck for advanced/accelerated learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067596

Find something you don't know? Look it up. Add it to a mining deck so you can review later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067414
Look at this image. Everything that isn't hard red or green is written in kanji.

Of the kanji words, the words written in green have japanese etymology. There's no reason for isolated kanji study to help you understand them, because the kanji is simply a placeholder for the actual word and is merely an approximation for the word's meaning.

The kanji words in red are derived by gluing chinese words together, or are loanwords from chinese. These are the words isolated kanji study is supposed to help you with. But if you actually take RTK keywords and try to figure out what these words mean based on them you're going to fail horribly on most of them.

All of the individual words on this page are in the most common couple thousand words. Someone who does kanji study for three months isn't going to actually know what they mean. At best, they're going to be able to guesslate the japanese words into keyword compounds. And they won't know any of the grammatical or non-kanji garbage marked in blue. That's actually kind of disturbing. Get out of kanji study while you can, before you get brainwashed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067639
>Everything that isn't hard red or green is written in kanji.
Everything that IS*
>guesslate the japanese words
guesslate the kanji words*

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067639
Fucked up some words in the upper right panel

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067639
Why are you assuming someone learning kanji would refuse to learn vocabulary?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067690
Why would someone learn the same thing twice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067690
You say that, but everyone I've ever seen talk about going through RTK has taken three months minimum, and if they rushed through it, they either already knew grammar and vocabulary or they didn't learn it while doing RTK. And no, I don't isolate myself from RTK users, I do the opposite. RTK is a poison, and you have lost your grip on the reality of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067639
Isn't 自分 a 漢語? The corresponding 和語 would be 自ら or 己.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067699
That's right. I rushed through coloring this in because making the columns is so annoying.

[Anonymous No.]

To those using Anki to learn Vocabulary, how do you do it? Do you focus on it and do just that, or do you watch something alongside studying? I've been trying to do that because it's kinda boring, but I've noticed I take about twice as long to go through all my due cards.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there no lesson on ず in the dojg?

I know it means "without" when applied to the verb but I'd like to have a more extensive explanation like with all the other entries.

[Anonymous No.]

>trying to do flash cards while watching something
Shit anon that's a terrible idea, what are you thinking? How will you remember things if you're not even paying attention to them?

[Anonymous No.]

The guide recommends Rikaisama for Firefox. It is o longer developed.

Is this a problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067713

I just use the core deck in the OP site in a single sitting once per day. I have the images in it as well, which helps me establish rivalries between myself and the ones I can't remember.

The fags in car for the word that means return/go back are currently who I'm trying to defeat.

[Anonymous No.]

This is the person who made the shared vocab deck you all use. How does it feel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067725
It's not like I'm paying attention to what I'm watching, it's more a one or the other thing. Watch it a bit, focus on Anki, etc.
But fair enough, I guess it was pretty stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067740
>2500 kanji, 3000 words
So he didn't even finish his own deck. Holy shit, RTK really is a cancer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067720
Considering it means "without" as 未然形+ずに, it's clear you should look up a more extensive explanation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067720
［○｜（に）｜○｜ぬ｜ね｜○］
［○｜ず｜ず｜○｜○｜○］
［ざら｜ざり｜○｜ざる｜ざれ｜ざれ］
［なかろ｜なく・なかっ｜ない｜ない｜なけれ｜○］

all u need 2 know

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067740
>made
He may have made the deck, but he didn't make any of the content.

I didn't even think he made the deck, just re-ordered it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067769
You are correct.

[Anonymous No.]

So I've heard KanjiDamage, Remember the Kanji, etc. What are you guys using?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067693
I spent three months doing nothing but RTK and then did 15K vocab cards in the following 500 days, stress-free thanks to RTK. I have no regrets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067781
I mine and read a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067713
Humans literally cannot multitask. Don't do something (brain-) resources-heavy such as watching something while studying. Do one or the other.

If you feel it to be boring, you may be demanding not enough of yourself. If that's the case, then rather spend your resources on relating what you're learning.
For example, when you're learning vocabulary, ask yourself how the word relates to what you know: Where does the word come from? Does it have something to do with other words I know? Can I think of a mnemonic to remember it or its relations better? What are some personal experiences relating to the word? How can I apply the word in the real world?
Make learning more of an active tasks. That way, you'll bolster your creativity, you'll remember better and you won't get bored as easily. It'll be hard at first, but those considerations will happen automatically as time goes on, just like you don't have to think about switching gears while driving, after some practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067794
youre the kid that pats their stomach and rubs their head

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067691
Because learning the most common reading of kanji allows you to instantly know the reading of most new words you see using those kanji? And knowing the meanings of those kanji allows you to more easily remember the meaning of those words?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065332
Same here. I wake up at 5am to study, spend ~10-12 (sometimes more) hours at work, come back home, eat and study until I go to bed. Still doesn't feel like it's enough.
I don't leave my house besides for work for weeks. No regrets, though. Nothing has changed on that side. Just what I do during the weekend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067794
Welcome back man it's been a while

[Anonymous No.]

is imabi the best site in english for grammar autism?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067861
I'm not the guide anon. I just like KMB reaction images.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067886
For advanced grammar guidance yet, unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067893
Yeah I was referring to you not guide anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067897
Y-you, too..

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcdYKxHT8kY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF3MRMBjd20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD7Lc4QBh5w

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067960
Fuck off, shill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067982
Fuck off, autist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067985
Your videos aren't even good, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067988
They're not my videos, schizo.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy8ypUqf0yk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqZaKYJ3qtw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y3npo2PWKk

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067993
Nice reading comprehension, faggot. I'm not implying you're the one who made them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067999
Nice reading comprehension, dumbass. I'm not implying you thought I made them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068002
If you have no arguments left to defend your shitty videos then don't reply, cum gobbler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068005
If you're going to go paranoid and sperg out at imaginary enemies you should do it on /x/ or something, idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068011
If you're going to shill your videos and sperg out after being called out on it you should do it on /int/ or something, moron.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068016
I'm not shilling anything, crazy, you're just crazy. There is no safe space for you to be crazy and attack people because you're crazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17057725
So I downloaded a torrent for アザナエル
[101217] [Nitro+] アザナエル was the specific torrent
When trying to open the game I get a window asking for authentication, but there wasn't anything like that or any readme in the torrent
I downloaded it a while back and don't remember if there was some sort of description on the nyaa page, but neither of the replacement nyaas have descriptions
The authentication windows says it's powered by Soft-denchi if that means anything to anyone here
Does anyone know what I should do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068027
last i checked this isnt the daily tech support thread

if you cant make your stolen shit work consider buying it instead thief

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068071
literally not legally sold outside japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068027
Did you open it while the disk image is mounted? If that doesn't work search the archive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068027
Get a crack.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey, friends. I was looking through the resources in the OP for some Kanji-centric resources. I downloaded Basic kanji book and it seems okay. But I'd prefer something that focuses less on the pictogram aspect. Is there anything like this among the resources?

Thanks for any help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067639
I think the greatest value in isolated kanji study is in being able to quickly differentiate between similar-looking characters. I found that when I tried to study vocabulary alone my brain would latch onto only a radical or two as representative of the entire kanji, causing no shortage of mixups with the hundreds of characters that differ by only a few strokes. Even if the keywords don't allow me to divine the meaning of unknown words, it is helpful to be able to say, "I beyond a shadow of a doubt recognize that shape." rather than, "Looks a little like x," "Maybe it's y. . ."

And this all of course allows the memory of the words themselves to take deeper root.

[Anonymous No.]

How much kanji does core get through? Trying not to overload myself with core, tae kim, and another kanji resource such as kanji damage (or something).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068100
kodansha kanji learner's course

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068120
Core2k - ~1000
Core2k6k - ~1600

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068183

Oh, that's not too bad then. Maybe I should just do Tae Kim and then try to read/build mining deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066040

I want to be able to wank myself off about how smart I am so I seek being trilingual, and when I think about what language I am most likely to use on a day to day basis, Japanese is number one, followed by Spanish and then Korean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067767
How do I read this

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068233
［未然形｜連用形｜終止形｜連体形｜已然形｜命令形］

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068138
thank-you very much, my man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067602

I'm all Poe's Law on the shilling here

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068317
>Poe's Law
Marry your cousin?

[Anonymous No.]

I have a sneaking suspicion that most people here aren't even learners (myself included). It's just role-playing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068374
ｏｙ　ｖｅｙ　ｔｈｅ　ｇｏｙｉｍ　ｋｎｏｗ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068374
>It's just role-playing
Still more fun than when my girlfriend makes me wear her clothes

[Anonymous No.]

Parfait is actually pretty fun, I get why it gets praised a lot now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068374
You are projecting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067602
Ironic shitposting is just shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068461

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to hide the intervals on anki when answering? I sometimes hesitate to fail a matured card

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068609
Aren't they hidden by default?

Do you mean on Ankidroid?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068610
on ankidroid

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068622
Dunno then. But you could use desktop Anki temporarily, since it's hidden there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066399
I'm not sure, but since no one else replied, it looks to me like the verb at the end of the sentence has been omitted and you're meant to understand it from context. Possibly the conbini is all that remains of those things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068627
uki arigatou senpai

[Anonymous No.]

Yotsubato is a meme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068627
It is? I always see it on mine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068729
It's good practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068446
Everything by Maruto is great he's such fun to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068446
>>17068834
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068737
Hmm, you may be right (not sure, because I have many add-ons, one of which may show those).

You can turn it off in the options, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068844
No what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068889
No no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17065653
thanks next time I know japanese Ill be sure to look that up

[Anonymous No.]

>一つとして一つで完璧なんてものは無いのかもしれない
Just got to this while reading a manga. I simply can't make much sense of it at all. I tried looking up a grammar construct that could go (word)として(same word) but I couldn't find anything.

I mean I can understand the rest of it, saying there probably isn't anything perfect, and then if I ignore the fact I don't understand 一つとして一つ and just take a guess based on the word 一つ I can probably arrive at something, but I would appreciate actually understanding what's going on.

On a side note, am I correct in assuming that の is the explanatory one? I don't think I've seen it being used with かも before but I'm still an inexperienced reader.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know what ゆふ translates to? I know, or think I do, that it literally says "Yufu", but what would that mean? The context is that it's a sound effect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17069259
Not your personal translation service

[Anonymous No.]

>>17069160
一つとして and 一つで are separate constructs.

一つとして = [not] even one (look up "一[Counter]として～ない" in the DoJG)
一つで = by itself

Yes, it's that の.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17069353
That is absolutely perfect. Thanks a lot.

I had a feeling I was doing with a grammar construct but I fucking suck at searching for those.

[Anonymous No.]

nyaa.si's search is broken. Now is your chance, /g/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17069771
when you post in the wrong thread, on the wrong topic, on the wrong board, with the wrong message

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067045
すっごーい

[Anonymous No.]

In the song 春擬きthere's a verse 空欄を埋め　完成した定理
what is the した supposed to mean here? 下?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17069908
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/120514/meaning/m0u/する/

1 イ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17069924
I see. Thanks! Christ there's a lot of stuff to remember for する...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067045
マジかよ(Are you sure? & It the true?)

うめぇ(That's delicious. & He is skillful.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068844
>>17068834
>>17068446
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

Is the 連用形 form a verb + informal nonpast just a combination? For example, 押さえつけ撫でる. This might be a really obvious question, but I want to avoid any misconceptions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17064753
cool story. thanks for the objective numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070157
the 連用形 is an infinitive in this construction

take that how you will

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070174
Why'd you put Shirokuma below Dies irae

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070200
i'm assuming dies looks easier than it "really" is because it jumps back and forth between hard parts and easy parts. also his stats don't account for grammar, which i'm sure is harder in dies than a more moe game, otherwise they're tied.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070174
I like how there is no difference between 1-3 and no difference between 4-5. What a dumb chart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070216
There's no difference between 3 and 4 either. They both have exactly the same vocabulary density. Proof: >>17064753

[Anonymous No.]

shirokuma bell stars confirmed for harder than dies

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070176
Is there much difference if one were to use 押さえつけて撫でる if the first verb indicates the means of doing the second?

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw you find Zettai harder than yotsubato

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070254
What a horrible fate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070258
The reading pack is so helpful

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070216
That's cause it's the outdated chart.

[Anonymous No.]

Just out of curiosity, do you search the more advanced grammar constructions on demand when you find an unknown one when reading, or do you just read dojg in order/do the dojg deck regardless of demand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070439
I did the DOJG deck to know what IS grammar
for example ものの is a grammar construct but before doing the DOJG deck I would have read it as もの　の　（者の、物の) instead of the grammar construct it actually is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070302

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070302
なんかこわい、その暗い部屋の表紙

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070302
暗い部屋が何についての？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070508
Seitaro Hino has lived a life secluded from society, together with his mother since childhood. He easily gets ill whenever he inhales the polluted air outdoors, so he spends his days by indulging in self-studies and literature in his apartment, darkened by the boarded-up windows. One day, when his mother suddenly dies, Seitaro is forced out into society and surprisingly his respiratory disease seems to have been cured by itself.
Nevertheless, all these sudden happenings and new impressions are too much for him, and he is soon struck by aphonia. His aunt, Yoko Oshikawa, decides to take care of him until he has adapted himself to the new environment and is able to stand on his own.

(Written by a pennamed scenarist whom many people claim to be Setoguchi Renya.)

[Anonymous No.]

かどのヤマハ

７じにしまるなんて

はやすぎー

[Anonymous No.]

おはよみんな
今朝は散髪だから
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE70QYrtacw

リラックスしててね

>>17070585
バイクを買う？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070610
がくふー

[Anonymous No.]

This might sound stupid but is there some sort of guide on how to read Japanese dictionary entries?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070752
Any begginer dictionary should have that? Like by the table of contents?

[Anonymous No.]

So, a good order is
Learn Hiragana/Katakana
Read Tae Kim's book (?)
Start practice through application in VN's and other japanese reading material?
Can I skip Tae Kim or do it while translating games/VN's?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070846
>Can I skip how to actually fucking read japanese

no

[Anonymous No.]

What's the hardest thing you've encountered so far?

Alternatively what's generally considered the hardest thing / very hard?

Pic kinda related I hate kanji strings.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.kanjiwebeasy.com/whyuse

Just found this pretty good resource to find the most common readings and associated vocabs to any kanji. Or the most common words.
At least according to NHK Easy News.

>>17070846
Translating without knowing the basic grammar is a bad idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070850
>>17070858
I guess you're right

[Anonymous No.]

>>17068027
That needs a crack. It needed to be updated to a specific version (1.10?) and then a crack used.

There was an anon who uploaded the files needed a couple of months back in one of the /jp/ VN threads.
>>16535700

[Anonymous No.]

>one day can read fine
>The next I feel like I know nothing

WHY. WHY AM I SO FUCKING STUPID.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070852
Some of subahibi, specifically the excerpts from texts with archaic or surreal language.

[Anonymous No.]

DiesよりKKKのが難しかった気がする

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070880
Have you properly tested this theory of yours? You have to read the exact same text two days in a row to do so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070886
If I read it yesterday, then I'll remember it. It's untestable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070889
But remembering it is a good thing and means you learned. You just said you feel like you know nothing the next day. I think your actual confusion stems from the fact that you encounter texts of varying difficulty on different days, creating the illusion that you are smarter on certain days. Of course, that's just one of the many variables. You could have had less sleep, you could be sick, et cetera. I do not believe it has anything to do with you being stupid anon, rest assured.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070909
It's just frustrating anon. I know I shouldn't compare myself to others, but I just feel so shit at japanese. Like I should be better by now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070917
you know what to do ______________________read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070935
I read anon. I make sure to read every day. Even reading the most basic intro shit (Hanahira, Yotsubato, etc) takes me forever and feels exhausting

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070939
well if you read stuff like hanahira and yotsubato you can't expect to make real progress
also "every day" doesn't say much, it could be just 10 minutes a day. the actual time is what matters. tip: install ManicTime, it's a free time tracking program. helped me better utilize my time after i realized how much is wasted on internet browser and other crap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070958
How can I read harder stuff if I have a hard time understanding easy shit?

My time varies, at least an hour every day reading, plus anki and sometimes extra grammar study going back over TK

[Anonymous No.]

You aren't going to wake up one day and realize you have learnt every word, and don't have to look anything up ever again.
Human language has lots of concepts and Japanese writers are autistic and each want to be the one to use a special Kanji they found.
I too want to get off Japan's wild ride.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070971
>at least an hour every day reading,

You've only been doing so for a few months, right? It's normal to still be shit. Keep it up and I'm sure you'll be happy with your progress by the time you finish a non-Hanahira VN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070971
I started the same way as you dude, using those same materials. I'm nobody special
I didn't notice anything improving until after I had 'seen' all core 2/6k and starting trying to read an LN, in this case キノの旅.
That shit felt like mt impossible at first but the story is good so it makes you continue

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070846
Fuwanovel will love you.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you feel about Japanese language schools like this?

https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/6d0tg4/language_school_mega_thread/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070995
>>17071008
Thanks anons. It's just frustrating when after 3 months I still find "easy" stuff so challenging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071019
Do some basic reading comprehension exercises, they'll help you with reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071030
This looks like it would take me quite some time to read. Are you sure these are basic? Where can I find more?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071033
Mhm, this is fairly basic Japanese text. To give practical advice, I found out that it's generally better to first read the question(s) and then read with the question(s) in mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071030
Can you link some for N1? I want to test myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071043
Click through to the reading exercise samples.
http://www.jlpt.jp/e/samples/n1/index.html

The basic one I posted was really easy for you, I presume?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070971
The low volume of text in yotsuba is what makes it easy, but it's also what stops you from improving.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17067733
It's been broken for some time. Speaking of which does anyone know how to make rikaisama work in firefox? I accidentally reset the settings and I can't remember where I put the instructions for changing the settings so that it works again. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071054
> I accidentally reset the settings and I can't remember where I put the instructions for changing the settings so that it works again.

Try enabling the "work" setting or pushing the fix button.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071049
What? Do you mean the short length of the sentences? It's not like people arbitrarily stop after x pages or something

[Anonymous No.]

I'm going to learn Japanese entirely through duolingo and when I am done I will laugh at all of you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071090
Just finished Jap 1 on memrise after about a week of constant use and I can honestly say it does a good job. It's not too fast or too slow and it teaches you the basics that you should know when you are first starting out. It teaches you kanji every now and then, but not how it is integrated with hiragana. That might be in Jap 2. All phrases and words learned here are entirely in hiragana which is very easy for beginners to pick up. Overall, I say the app is definitely worth it, since it doesn't cost you anything. The paid version isn't really necessary, but it is useful for those who are very serious about learning multiple languages. I highly recommend this app for people you are just learning Japanese for the first time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071090
I've yet to see any one say anything worthwhile against Duolingo's jap course other than it having a few errors but that can be marked due to it being really fucking new

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone explain in simple terms the difference between とすると and となると ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071109
It's simply not as efficient as just having a massive amount of native input.

There's nothing "wrong" with it, per se, it's just not as good as learning the basics, and then practicing over and over again with content you like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071070
This works thank you
It was actually a different problem but I got it working now

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071121
If you understand the difference between とする to となる it will be obvious. Go read those DoJG entries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071121
https://kotobank.jp/word/とすると-583659

https://kotobank.jp/word/となると-342706

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071109
It's too hardcore. We're not all amphetaneets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071162
I wonder how long that would take at 5 minutes a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071162
>>17071184

Using the 10k hours to mastery meme, it would take you this long to master japanese with each setting

Insane: 82.2 Years
Serious: 109.6 years
Regular: 164.4 years
Casual: 328.8 years

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071090
>>17071109
I want duolingo faggots to go and stay go.

Might as well buy the Japanese from Zero books.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071191
>328.8 years

[Anonymous No.]

なんか質問でもあればどうぞ質問してください

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071191

Think is Duolingo only takes you to N5, so if you spend 10k hours on it, you've got bigger problems.

Doing the core 2k/6k deck, Tae Kim, and maybe a Duo chapter a day (just to try it out, don't crucify me).

If you do Duolingo alone, you won't learn a goddamn thing, but if you use it as a third leg of core and Tae Kim it is nice to see what you've been studying used in context.

[Anonymous No.]

Did one of those grammar tests. Two I had wrong that I still don't get and hope someone can clarify.

>たった三十分のあいだに、高木の変わり様 _______ 。
といえなかった
といおうもなかった
といってもなかった
といったらなかった
I've just no idea what this sentence even means. "In just 30 minutes, Takakis change was...?" I picked 1 since I thought it means " couldn't describe her change in just 30 mins.

>損失を最小限度に　_______ ことには気持ちがやすまらない。
くいとめた
くいとめる
くいとめない
くいとめなかった
I picked 4 but apparently 3 is right. The way I see it both fit, why am I wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071269
I'm not gonna crucify you, but I do think it's an inefficient path. I think reading native material will always be far better than duo. I'd much rather see beginners read yotsubato or hanahira or zettai, or whatever the new meme easy shit is, because you will only learn japanese through exposure to real japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071275
Seems like you should pick up on of those JLPT grammar point books
といったらなかった is a grammar point that describes something extreme.
AないことにはBない is a grammar point that means B won't happen without A

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071275
First one:
http://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-jlpt-n1-grammar-といったらない-to-ittara-nai/

Second one:
https://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-jlpt-n2-grammar-ないことには～ない-nai-koto-niwanai/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071121
彼が来るとなると、。。。 - If it is true that he's coming, ....
彼が来るとすると、。。。 - If we assume that he's coming, ....

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071276

I think one of the reasons I keep with Duolingo is it has voiced pronunciations at the ready when you click on words. Allows me to practice my listening as well as double check certain things. Something you can't quite do with books.

I guess I could try reading with a text to speech program.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071323
Read a VN then. There are tloads of fully voiced VNs to choose from

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071323
Fully voiced VNs my man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071335
>>17071337

I haven't played a ton of VNs, do any of them allow you to replay audio?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071351
Pretty much every single one that isn't from the 90s.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071351
You can usually replay audio from the transcript. It depends on the VN. Newer ones pretty much always

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071351
Start with Dies irae.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071355
>>17071358

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071368
Now you know senpai.

There's pretty much 0 reason to use duolingo. Ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071294
>>17071295
Understood 1, thanks.
2 is still a bit cloudy in my mind but I realized it makes sense if I think of the ことには like と for some reason. With ことには I kind of don't get why it can't mean "Feeling restless about the fact that he wasn't able to minimize the losses" with the past form くいとめなかった also.

[Anonymous No.]

God damn it I know I need to read in order to become better but I absolutely don't want to read.

I always make up excuses for why I'm too busy to read, fuck me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071497
Just quit Japanese then? Not sure why you're doing something you don't want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071497
Do you also happen to be american?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071508
I want to learn Japanese more than anything else, but the struggle while reading is real.

I just need to man the fuck up and do it.

>>17071552
Nope I'm a yuropoor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071497
I'm a lazy fuck as well. Then again, I'm still working my way through the more boring vocabulary/grammar instead of actually reading stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

How is Memrise?
I'm a beginner but I live in Japan

[Anonymous No.]

Why's "上京" a thing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071662
To express the thing it describes. Like every other word in existence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071665
Name one other language that has such a dumb word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071665
Same reason　why 下着 is a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071658
ホワイトピッグゴーホーム

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071697
Never

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071658
>EOP in Japan

>>17071697
>jelly DJT EOP

What a combo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071704
My japanese is actually better than yours.

[Anonymous No.]

What's a good resource for just an incredibly large amount of example sentences based on sentence/grammar patterns?

[Anonymous No.]

I want to begin learning Japanese. I've never learned a second language before, and I haven't gotten far into my learning. I feel that before I continue I need to be able to read kana without relying on the romaji transcript.

I've seen a number of websites that flash up single characters for you to match to a syllable, but thought that doing whole words would be easier/more useful.

I thought that a good method would be for me to create some flash cards, on which I can write English words using kana, words like:

Shining - しにん
Tomato - とまと
Tsunami - つなみ

As well as some simple Japanese words I already know:

こんにちは - Kon'nichiwa
ありがと - Arigato

I thought if I had a long list of English words written out using kana, then I can practice matching the sound to each character, without getting caught up on learning what each word is. In this way I can get instant feedback if I pronounced each syllable/word correctly.

However, I'm not sure if this is a bad idea, or if would be have unseen consequences that could hinder my learning in the future, or if it will act as a crutch. Have any of you tried anything similar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071739
It's called reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071749

[Anonymous No.]

Yo /jp/, I've been studying Japanese for about a month now and really enjoying it.

Question:
I am currently using ''Microsoft IME'' to type Japanese characters, but I will soon change my OS to either ubuntu or linux mint so I suspect that I will need something else to be able to type Japanese.
So what's the best software on mint and ubuntu for typing Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071749
The "Shi" in "Shining" isn't even pronounced as し though. I think the root of that problem might give you problems if you study kana like that. Personally I think it's really better to grind just kana for a week or 2, and really memorize the sounds instead of the romaji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071749
It'll probably take you around one to two weeks to learn all katakana/hiragana if you actually study.

So I'd say, stop thinking too much and just learn the single characters.
You can start making flash cards for Kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071790
>>17071800
How do you even fall for bait this obvious?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071800
>>17071790
>A week or two to learn kana/gana
Retards

[Anonymous No.]

So, I thought I'd try and read some of the 懐風藻, pretty early on I saw 靑 which I know to just be a variant of 青, but is there any actual different in nuance or is it just an old variant?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071768
Google IME

[Anonymous No.]

>>17070752
http://japaneselevelup.com/the-j-e-to-j-j-dictionary-leap-of-faith-1-escape-from-comfort/

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else using Kodansha here? Are the anki decks for it any good?

[Anonymous No.]

Why do you guys read VNs and not just read manga?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071876
Manga isn't reading, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071878
なに？

[Anonymous No.]

Remember the Kanji, Kanji Damage, or he Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course?

Which would you recommend?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071876
Personally, they just has better and higher quality content across the board. Voices are nice too. As well as each VN being a complete experience, no waiting for chapters or anything like that. It's a lot harder to find a readable manga, and when you do it might have shit scans so you end up spending more time deciphering the symbols than reading.

But your perception is wrong, a lot of people here read manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071911
None of them, start reading instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071912
有賀とド材ます
makes sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071919
How do you start reading without a vocabulary?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071926
I don't have time to answer your dumb beginner questions. Go read Yotsuba or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071749
Nice copypasta from reddit lmao

[Anonymous No.]

脚線美

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071812
Bump for answer.

[Anonymous No.]

I've done Genki 1/2, should I do the J-J Core2k deck, or J-E?

[Anonymous No.]

So as far as an Anki Kanji deck is concerned what should I be trying to recite? Just the kanji shape and definition? Onyomi and kunyomi as well?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072134
front question
back answer
example writing deck
kanji keyword - write the kanji
Just do a vocab deck for the others. Make sure those words are also used in examples

[Anonymous No.]

>reading about the Duolingo jap lesson because I thought it might be useful as a supplement
>only teaches 100 Kanji

Ebin. Maybe it could help me with memorizing vocabulary. Have an iOSfags actually used it yet? I read this through a 3rd party site, so it could be less than true.

It's probably not terrible for people with no background that want a foundation though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071749
good post

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072134
If you want to study isolated Kanji I recommend the Kanji Study app. The free version includes just JLPT5 so you can see if you like it.

You recognize just the Kanji and when you click it, it shows the on/kun readings, and if you click the readings, it shows JLPT vocab and common vocab that uses those readings.

It also has stroke order recognition to practice writing and doubles as a Kanji lookup tool. It also provides example sentences and you can favorite them as well as vocab.

Lastly you can import you own custom list of Kanji to study from. The downfall of the app is that it is in fact a Kanji app so you can't double up in studying vocab from it and the developer states he has no intention to make it such.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072207
I've actually been thinking about dropping the $15 on the pro version. The app seems very polished. Do you have the paid version? Would you say it's worth it?

My aunt has been helping me with vocab; but, she can't help me with Kanji very often so I've been looking for something to help me learn more Kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072207

I'm using Tae Kim and core 2k6k. You'd recommend Kanji Study over Kanji Damage?

[Anonymous No.]

ずるむけってどういう意味ですか

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any reason the Onyoumi reading in Kanji Study is always Katakana?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072571
Maybe stop worrying about petty shit and focus on studying, you lazy ass?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071911
Just memorise a few radicals if you must, and then get back to learning Japanese you bitch. By the time you've finished associating your 2000th kanji with some arbitrary factoid, half of the first thousand will have left your head from lack of use and you still won't be able to read a goddamn thing with the other 1500. Might as well learn something that you can use right now, it's really not that much harder.

[Anonymous No.]

A: わけワカメだよ
B: ちょー面白い、そのギャグ
A: おいおい、おまえ自分でこんなモノ寄こしておいてはぐらかすなや
>寄こしておいてはぐらかすなや
I don't get this last part, specifically how the はぐらかすな fits. Also why is there a おく? I don't see anything "being done in advance for future convenience"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072571

Answered my own question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072662
No one cares, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072571
尊訓攘音

[Anonymous No.]

What could I do after finishing my Anki reps for the day with only ~200 words under my belt? All the grammar guides I've seen so far require me to learn additional vocab and I'd love to read but I don't think that it would make much sense with a vocabulary of a few hundred words.

Should I just increase the amount of new cards? I'm currently doing 30 a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072736
What, you haven't finished a grammar guide yet? Install rikai and do Tae Kim. You don't need vocab to read an English grammar guide.
And if anything, you should reduce your cards. 30 is borderline overkill. Reading would indeed be better even now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072736
>require me to learn additional
You don't have to commit the vocab to memory yet, just understand the grammar

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone elses computer occasionally crash when using the djt library with firefox? What could be causing this

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072749
>>17072736
All right then I'll just start with Tae Kim and just use Rikaisama for words I don't understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072759
if it's blackscreening your cpu is overheating

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071912
Plus manga is mostly dialogue, since the actual narration is done by pictures most of the time.

While VN's do have pictures as well, most of the time that is just not enough and as a result it has a lot of narration, more similar to an actual novel.

So really comparing the 2 VN, is just more worth your time as a learner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071933
>I don't have time to answer your dumb beginner questions
Not him but why the fuck are you here then? Clearly you have time to shitpost on the internet.

Beginners have beginner level questions. If you don't want to answer then don't fucking reply instead of shitposting like a fucking ape for no other reason than to inflate your little internet ego.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071911
None of them. Kanji aren't japanese.

>>17071926
With a dictionary. These days we have these things called computers so a dictionary lookup is only a mouse motion away. There's no real excuse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072802
Calm down there, N3-kun.I actually did answer his question, the problem is that he replied to me with a rhetorical, sarcastical one. I just gave an appropriate response.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072818
You're still a beginner at being a proper jerk, N2-kun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17071926
You're mistaken. Studying kanji doesn't give you a vocabulary. Japanese isn't a language of symbols, japanese is a language of words. And kanji aren't words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072612
Balanced study is healthy study. If you study vocabulary, kanji, and grammar in tandem while reading what you can each part reinforces each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072831
At least you admit I know more japanese than you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072835
No need to study kanji if you don't want to blow your brains out studying words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072763
My computer becomes unresponsive and needs a hard shut down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072851
Did you try killing firefox with the task manger? ctrl+alt+delete? Watching how much RAM or CPU it uses as it gets there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072859
ctrl+alt+delete doesn't work, my keyboard and mouse become completely unresponsive. I'm checking does the same thing happen with Chrome at the moment but I fucking hate Chrome

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072652
〜しておいて = 〜しておきながら

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072847
I found it helpful for the reasons I cited in an earlier post.>>17068113

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072832
Kodansha gives you vocab as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072835
Vocabulary, grammar study and reading all contain kanji. If you include kanji study on top of that, what you end up with is a plan that is actually very heavily unbalanced in favour of kanji, is it not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072939
Yes, KLC tricking kanji students into learning vocabulary is one of the greatest charades of all time.

[Anonymous No.]

All Kanji discussion should be a bannable offense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072843
>thinking it's the same person

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072949
You should be a bannable offense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072947
Isn't that a good thing? That guy wrote it off along with Kanjidamage, and RTK before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17072888
Not to say I'm doubting you, but can you explain a little bit on it so I can understand? I tried googling but I can't find anything relating the two.

Shouldn't しておいて simply be しておく in て form? How is that = しておきながら?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073028
This might surprise you but other people aren't all the same person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073040
Didn't mean to imply that. Was just looking for insight on why he might think its not a good book.

[Anonymous No.]

How long before you're supposed to try reading? I'm planning on waiting until I finish 500 kanji and the 2k vocab deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073269
Way too late. You start reading every day after you finish Tae Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073273
Clearly people have different ideas of what it means to finish Tae Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073269
You're supposed to do it at the pace you're most comfortable with

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073273
>>17073283
Okay then I'll do TKG first. I'm about a week in and my kana is pretty good but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.]

When doing listening practice with anime and such, are you supposed to spend like an hour on each episode making sure you pick up every word? Or are you supposed to just ignore the parts you can't hear and get through it at a reasonable pace?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073304
I imagine there are valid arguments to be made for either approach. Try both methods for a week each and decide for yourself which week was more productive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073304
If it's really hard then just pick up like 20 words and add them to anki, and then finish the rest and stop worrying about it. Just keep doing that until you understand it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073326
Adding words to anki has nothing to do with listening comprehension, it has to do with plain not knowing stuff.

Either he knows shit but when listening it just doesn't come together (poor listening comprehension), in which case he needs to just keep watching and keep on the listening effort/practice OR he just doesn't know shit in which case he should just go read until he is better at the language.

Not saying you shouldn't bother trying to understand spoken conversations until you are a master, but at least until you have a better vocabulary and grammar than he probably does, considering he spends an hour on each episode picking up words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073304
Listen to podcasts or watch Japanese news during breakfast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073380
Any recommended podcasts? I've asked in these threads for recommended listening material more times than I can count and I've never actually gotten a reply

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073387
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-14283.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073398
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073304
Personally I prefer the former, although it only works if you have subtitles which you can mine from and refer back to. My reasoning is that, with every word you skip in the current sentence you make the next sentence harder by taking away contextual information, and this can quickly have a knock on effect until you are completely lost and just listening to gibberish, whereas if you knew what was going on you might then be able to catch more or even all of a sentence that would have been just noise to you otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073387
http://zinkitopoteko.seesaa.net/

[Anonymous No.]

translate this, weebs

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073497
It's exactly how it looks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073387
I like Bilingual News.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073506
Translate It

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073497
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfgIjuAboxw

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073511
You could have translated it yourself in the time it took you to post here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073511
That's the translation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073506
he must have said weeb right, why isnt that on your wordfilter yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073522
no, see, answering that way was actually a brilliant charade

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073520
>>17073521
>i can't translate it
Just do it, no excuses

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073473
>>17073508
The problem I have with podcasts that I just can't seem to be able to overcome is that it just really pisses me off when I miss parts, especially since it's so easy to miss one little part and then get completely thrown off for the rest of the conversation

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>>17073497
the pleasure of eating curry

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>>17073536
The translation is literally "It's exactly how it looks."

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>>17073536
Not even him, just a bystander, but なのです by itself sounds confusing as fuck. I mean なのです is explanatory の + です with a noun or na-adjective preceding it right? Ergo the な.

How does it make any sense of have just なのです with nothing else there?

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>>17073545
It's in English and Japanese, so you can still follow along. One of the hosts speaks only in English and the other mostly Japanese. They start by saying in both languages then they both discuss it.

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>>17073560
It's their catchphrase so the thing is basically just them quoting their catchphrase.

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>喉元過ぎれば熱さを忘れる

I get what this means, but where does it come from? Is it some kind of curry-based metaphor?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073609
When you eat something hot it only hurts your mouth and throat. Not your stomach. Straightforward enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073609
https://kotobank.jp/word/喉元過ぎれば熱さを忘れる-597125

>また、苦しいときに助けてもらっても、楽になってしまえばその恩義を忘れてしまう。

Will you forget what DJT did for you when you finally learn Japanese?

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>屋敷
>豪華
From 1 to 10 how important do you think these 2 words are? If you had to look them up don't bother replying, thanks.

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>>17073814
Rather important if you're interested in wonderful residences.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm literally about to blow off time with a girl so I can do anki reps for tonight

Jesus christ

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>>17057725
Working on putting together a bit of a catalogue based on this spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jcn7Z4tbdRblEGnq6jzfW_sc-cOekTSs_N8z7mqb8Uc/edit?usp=sharing

It is a work in progress but if anyone is interested, here is the test page:
https://moemanga.neocities.org/

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>跋扈
>諧謔
From 1 to 10 how important do you think these 2 words are? If you had to look them up don't bother replying, thanks.

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>>17073821
Wouldn't 偉い or 見事 and 家 suffice if you are looking for wonderful residences?

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>>17073814
The first one is increadibly common. The latter one is pretty common
>Do I HAVE to learn this word?
Yes. Invariably.

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>>17073884
Oh, I learned them regardless. I was just curious.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a better site for raw manga than haruka-yumenoato?

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When you're reporting what someone said with ~と言っていました, do speak from your point of view or the person who said it? Bascially, if they said something about their father would you use おとうさん or ちち in your own sentence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073830
Don't do it anon
>>17073901
The cornucopia, jcafe, madokami.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Duolango truly the best Japanese learning resource out there? Why isn't it mentioned in the guide?

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>>17073947
I wasn't asking for sites with smaller catalogues, though having mega links is a god send compared to the shit on haruka.

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>>17073841
Looks cool.

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>>17073953
Ironic shitposting is just shitposting. Pretending to be retarded is just being retarded.

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>>17074005
What sort of retarded question is this?

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>>17073944
You can quote things both directly and indirectly.

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>>17073944
Don't think of と as a quotation marker, it just lets you operate on statements like they're a normal part of another statement.

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>>17073841
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Konosuba good for beginners? It has a lowish kanji count.

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>>17074140
Yes. Konosuba is a good read for beginners that want to read LNs to learn japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

l-lewd

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Which book is best for particle explanation

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know where I can find a decent non-complicated anime/drama/movie with good (word-for-word) Japanese subtitles? I've seen animetranscripts.wikispaces.com but I'm more after actual subtitles.

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>>17073854
跋扈 is definitely a 10 due to it's association with noted meme word 魑魅魍魎.

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>>17072662
>>17072669

Rude. I care. Don't respond to this.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm disappointed the JLPT doesn't test oral or written skills.

[Anonymous No.]

This truly opened my eyes.

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>>17074324
you are what we call a sad human being

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>>17074323
The JLPT is overrated in general. It's useful for getting jobs/scholarships and to give yourself a confidence boost. That's about it.

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>>17074324

I remember when I thought this was really neat, but man this takes an already easy step and slows it way the hell down.

[Anonymous No.]

How many words do I need to know before I try to read an LN or a VN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074470
All of them.

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>>17074470
None of them.

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>>17074470
>need
Without having to search for anything ever? I don't know, 30k? 60?

If you don't, for some reason, have an aversion towards searching for words during reading sessions, then start as soon as you have the grammar. So potentially 0 but realistically you'll already know like 500ish words by that time anyway.

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>>17074470
The lower percentages will correlate to an increased frequency of lookup.

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>>17073830
you should review ahead to have more free time during work days/dates/etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074492
Informative table. Seems like the commonly quoted 10k words falls within the ballpark of what you'd need to know to "mostly" comprehend texts you haven't seen before.

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>>17074492
wait, so you're telling me I can understand 90% of stuff with just ~5k words? Hot damn

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073830
Just go on the date, if it's not already too late. No point learning Japanese if you're miserable doing so. You can always catch up on Anki by setting "new cards" to 0 for a while if needed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074537
>catching up by slowing down to a halt
How does that work?

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>>17074554
By catch-up I mean catching up on your reviews. So what if you don't learn anything new for a day or two?

[Anonymous No.]

Should I go through Genki or Tae kim?

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>>17074573
yesjapan

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>>17074529
Maybe learn english and then you can read the table.

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>>17074588

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>>17074608
How the fuck do you figure he managed to form a coherent post while not knowing the language? Random luck?

This fucking eop vs esl shitposting war is such an annoyance for everyone else.

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Stupid question: how long until I will be able to read pic related with ease? (I just started.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074661
1. Read it
2. Mine all the words you don't know
3. Mature all of those cards in Anki

Then you will be able to read it with ease.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074672
He might want to learn some grammar along with that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074196
Wanting question answered

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>>17074196
The guide tells you not to ask questions like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074710
but those recommended only cover some of the particles, even then in very simplistic terms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074715
Then don't use them.

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>>17074720
hence why I am asking people here to recommend something

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>>17074715
You can learn particles by just reading and listening to a lot of Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074724
If you already looked at the particle books and none of them are good, then none of them are good. That's just how it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17073497
すごーい

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>>17074725
no you can't

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>>17074739
actually you can

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>>17074740
k I'll just become a master linguist before I learn japanese then

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074748
you already are a master linguist, you know your native language, that is proof

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>>17074754
guess we don't need schools anymore.
Thanks Aristotle you've solved all the world's problems
> want to learn a language? just figure it out

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>>17074762
people learn their language without going to school lol
anything you learn about language in school is a sad approximation of what the brain is actually doing

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074766
I guess we don't need these kinds of threads or the guides then. people can just figure out japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074771
they can and do
it's just social support

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074772
>it's just social support
>direct instructional books
you can't be that stupid

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>>17074773
instruction books slow you down actually
all they do is make you feel better
the fastest way to learn a language is through pure consumption

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>>17074776

> which of these foods are healthy?
> just consume them all lol

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>>17074784
language isn't food, you literally can't consume bad material for learning. the human brain is rigged to do this right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074163
Hot

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>>17074784
Perfectly retarded comparison.

[Anonymous No.]

いまから笊を編むための
籤を竹から切り出すための
鉈をとぐための
砥石を砥ぎます

[Anonymous No.]

>>17066040
I live in Japan. Bout time I started learning.

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>>17074807

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>>17066040
1. I have Japanese relatives who are too old and busy to learn English I'd like to be able to speak with.
2. I'd like a Japanese waifu
3. I like the country, assuming life doesn't take me elsewhere, I intend to start a business over there within the next 5 years.
4. I want to be able to enjoy untranslated manga, anime, video games and porn.

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>>17066040
>Why are you learning japanese?
But I'm not.
>What's your goal?
I can't answer this since I'm not learning Japanese.

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>>17066040
I want to read those awkward light novels nobody bother translating.

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>朝からする会話じゃない。
Confused on what からする, I'm lead to believe it's something like "having a conversation from this morning", but I'm not sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074894
I'm interpreting it as "this is not a conversation to have throughout the morning"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074901
Yeah, that's probably right given the context. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17074661
ln or manga?

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Is it a bad thing to do custom studies often? Like anki is supposed to work by repeating things with a certain gap I assume, and you kinda trample over that if you do a lot of custom studies.

That being said studying more is just plain good by the simple fact you are studying more. So at the end of the day is custom studying good or bad?

[Anonymous No.]

I am having difficulty figuring out how to get a mining deck set up

I followed the instructions on Rikaisama's page, chenged the fields so they matched, and it says "Note Imported" when I hit R but I can't find it anywhere

Please help an old retard learn Japanese

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>>17075031

You should be using extra time to read

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>>17075031
I consider it to be good, but not optimal. There are tonnes of more useful things you can be doing - reading/watching something in Japanese, learning more new cards (rather than reviewing ahead), mining some form of media for sentences, etc.

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>>17075032
Add the first card manually.

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>>17075102
Just finished learning japanese. Only took a couple days to memorize it. Pretty easy language. Why do people say it is so hard? There's only about 200 symbols to memorize, I guess, it's a lot compared to the USA alphabet. never thought I was that smart, but what takes the average person months, took me a couple days lol
Any way,　ごおど　らく　ぷれぶ

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>>17075144
Ironic shitposting is just shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17075144
ぢづ　のっつ　みいん　と　くおうつ

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>村をやってきて思うこと、女の笑みほど恐ろしい毒はないと。
What can a と like this at the end of a sentence mean? I'm used to reading it as a contraction of といけない or something stating you have to/must do something, but I don't think it fits in this sentence.

"The thought of having arrived at the village is not as scary as the woman's smile" is what I get out of it, but then I still don't know what that と at the end could be doing.

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>>17075209
こうはんよりむしろ

ぜんはんがあいまいだよ

村をやるってなに？

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>>17075241
村に行ってきたということかも?
家を出たとかその「を」の使い方

[Anonymous No.]

>>17075258
を

ではくっつくことができないよ

に

だけだよ

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>目でそう言っていた
Is this essentially meaning speaking with ones eyes, especially if scolding someone? I'm thinking that で and そう are separate here, but was wondering if it could mean something else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17075270
目で、そう言っていた

[Anonymous No.]

>>17075270
目(が)出そう(に)、言っていた

[Anonymous No.]

>>17075278
目で叱ったようなのか？違う？

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>言葉の穂を継いだ
Can someone explain this idiom to me? I mean I can kind of tell that it means something like "continue talking" but why is 穂 used for it?

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>>17075301
叱るときにつかう表現なのかなあとおもうよ

ごくまれに褒めるときにつかうこともあるかもしれないよ

>>17075320
あたしなら継ぐでなくて「接ぐ」をつかいたいかなあとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>わ

wtf japan?

[Anonymous No.]

とにかく目先の現金にだけはありあまっている氏の店は、近隣の住人に対してはいくらでもツケてくれる希有な地元密着型店舗なのである。
Two questions about this sentence
>目先の現金にだけはありあまっている氏の店
Is this a shop that has an excess of ready available cash? Kind of sounds wrong
>住人に対してはいくらでもツケてくれる
ツケてくれる < What is this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17075209
I think the と applies to 思う. So it's a bit like 村をやってきた。 女の笑みほど恐ろしい毒はないと思った。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17075740
Shop guy has cash and is willing to spend it for people living nearby.

Need more context to understand details.

[Anonymous No.]

Today I learn the last 7 cards of core6k after ten months!

[Anonymous No.]

Anybody here use Ankiweb? I'm wondering if it's a solid way to synchronize my database between my desktop and my laptop. Currently I'm trying to just copy it, but with the amount of files it takes a really long time. I'm a bit hesitant to need to create an account and proprietary synchronizing software always managed to synchronize the wrong part (the empty part) in my previous experiences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17075816
おめでとう
Now onto core 10k

[Anonymous No.]

>>17075817
If Anki can't reconcile the differences, it asks you which version you want to keep

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>>17075800
Guy is just talking about a shop in his town. It's one of those where the owner is never there and they leave the money on the counter and a piece of paper of who bought what.
Are you getting the "willing to spend it" bit from ツケてくれる? I don't really get how that makes sense or why a shop owner would do that...

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>>17075824
Maybe I should just try it then. The internet on my laptop's shit though, so I'm not 100% confident it would even tell there are differences.

[Anonymous No.]

What is happening here?

時間が足りなさすぎた

I mean the なさ. Is it like a negative stem of the 足りる verb? So, "there wasn't much time".

[Anonymous No.]

>>17075829
I imagined a very different context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17075897
すぎる attaches to い adjectives and negative verbs like い -> さすぎる

[Anonymous No.]

>>17075897
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/amount

Read the すぎる part

[Anonymous No.]

i write su as a cross then draw the ball
anyone else here just real nasty

[Anonymous No.]

>>17075945
I try to keep the stroke order at least for kana.

[Anonymous No.]

やばい

ぽんぽんぺいん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17075945
Sounds overcomplicated when you can easily do it in two strokes

[Anonymous No.]

>>17075945
Are you a bad enough dude to draw 口 in one stroke?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17076038
Like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17076046
That seems like an unnecessarily complex way of drawing it in one stroke.