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16950262 No.16950262 [Reply] [Original]

Would anything important change if EoSD wasn't canon?
At this point the whole SDM feels really out of place and irrelevant to the actual plot.

>> No.16950268

Flanfags would commit suicide

>> No.16950317

SDM crew is heavily featured throughout all the Touhou works so they are hardly irrelevant and the game really isn't skippable or anything.
The plot of EoSD itself probably isn't all that relevant but the way I see it is that the dialogue give you an impression of how the first interactions between M and S and the EoSD crew were like and how it contrasts with later works. There is a lot of character development and without the happenings of EoSD these characters would lose a bit of depth. Either way, the relevancy of a game hardly diminishes the quality in and of itself.

>> No.16950343

>>16950262
This is fucking stupid

>> No.16950396

>>16950262
The mansion and it's residents are irrelevant to most changes in Gensokyo. The notable plot points that would have to be altered are the vampire incident with spell card system creation as well as Reimu's visit on the moon. Nothing that couldn't be worked around.

People like the Yakumo family, the Moriya Trio or the Eientei would be much harder to write out of canon with most of it remaining intact. ZUN wrote EoSD with the same episodic mindset that he had when writing PC-98, and it shows. Hell, they had to be retconed into outsiders who came only recently to fit the new canon.

>> No.16950427

EoSD should have been set at a later time. Like at least after DDC

>> No.16950533

>>16950317
>>16950396
This. EoSD's story isn't important per se, but the characters did have an influence on certain aspects of Gensokyo, so you'd have to re-write stuff like SSiB.

>> No.16950562

>>16950262
You could say the same about any other minor character, like most stage 1 or 2 bosses

>>16950317
>>16950533
You could make the same argument about LLS and MS because Yuuka and Alice originated from those games. Maybe not so much Yuuka, but Alice has a decent amount of major roles. Do you consider those games canon?

>> No.16950665

>>16950262
>Would anything important change if EoSD wasn't canon?
Yeah, Cirno, the most important character, wouldn't exist and all of Touhou would collapse. Do you really want to live in a world without tanned Cirno?

>> No.16950672

>>16950665
She could be introduced in PCB

>> No.16950681

>>16950262
>WITH NO ASS

>> No.16950744

>>16950343
Welcome to memes.

>> No.16950796

What can you do when their cast is that fucking popular?

Might have something to with the fact that they are more than GENERIC YOUKAI/FAIRY WITH A SPECIFIC THEME #2318230912 for once.

>> No.16950811

>>16950562
pc98 games are canon unless contradicted by a Windows game so yes

>> No.16950874
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16950874

>with no ass
I'm pretty sure Sakuya has a beautiful, healthy ass.

>> No.16951053

>>16950796
>GENERIC YOUKAI/FAIRY WITH A SPECIFIC THEME #2318230912
that is what they are, though. I'm sorry your comedic oversimplification also covers your favorite cast

>> No.16951199

How do people came up with this idiotic threads and images?

>> No.16951233

>>16951199
How is it idiotic?

>> No.16951250

>>16951233
We can debate about the OP itself but are you really trying to say that that ''VERY gast meido running at incredible hihg speed'' image is not fucking garbage?

>> No.16951283
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>>16951250

>> No.16951297

>>16951199
It's just a /v/tard making inflammatory posts again because that's all he knows.

>> No.16951308

>>16950262
>actual plot
In Touhou? Is that a joke of yours?

It's very rare for the games/manga/whatever to have longer stories.

>> No.16951323

>>16951297
>>16951308
I see the secondaries have arrived.

>> No.16951364
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>>16951283
Why is your typeset so blurry?

>> No.16951643

>>16950262
Clareste plz go.

>> No.16951818

>>16950262
>>16950396

EoS's presence is stated in the later manga so the SDM crew wouldn't even be absent if the game was never made. It's like how there was never a game made for how Reimu was given the smackdown by the Watatsuki sisters even though it totally happened.

>> No.16955334

>>16951297
>>16951199
there was a touhou thread 2 days ago on /v/ and some guy started claiming that EoSD shouldn't be canon and it's irrelevant.

I'm guessing OP is that same guy or someone else who saw that post.

>> No.16957989

>>16951283
How much you'll hurt me depends on the answer again, so just fill in that scantron bubble sheet as befits you. But...it's growing late and the hour for proving yourself is getting close, sociopath.

>> No.16958136

Clarste please go.

>> No.16962052

>>16950396
>Hell, they had to be retconed into outsiders who came only recently
what

>> No.16962381

Generally both EoSD and PCB seems irrelevant since it's now all about Sanae and the Youkai Mountain. Been like that since MoF, though maybe ZUN can make them relevant again with stuff like LoLK (though DDC was pretty much a weak way of ever making EoSD somewhat relevant again).

>> No.16962712

>>16950796
They're really generic. Sakuya is really just a maid, because there weren't enough in PC98. Flan is just a Remilia recolor. Meiling is just a girl in a china dress. Rumia, Cirno and Big Fairy are GENERIC YOUKAI/FAIRY WITH A SPECIFIC THEME.

>> No.16973892

>>16950562
Alice and Yuuka's role in the Windows canon is kept very seperate from their actions in the PC-98. If PC-98 didn't exist it would only require the rewriting of the few lines of dialogue where they each recognize Reimu and Marisa.
PoFV is far better for the "effectively non-canon" award, because none of its events effected anything else, and its three newhus (excluding Aya who still felt like she made her "appearance" in MoF anyway) were completely self-contained aside from Komachi's appearance in one Wild and Horned Hermit chapter.
IN is really the only early Windows game that had a lot of bearing on where the current plot of Touhou is going, and that's ONLY because LoLK brought the moon into center focus.

>> No.16973904

>>16950796
Patchouli, Sakuya, and Remilia are really the only interesting characters from EoSD, and they only got to that point because their popularity got them into countless print works and reappearances in the series over the years.
Looking strictly at EoSD in a vacuum, Patchouli is grumpy magician in a library, Sakuya is a fetishized JoJo's reference, and Remilia is another JoJo's reference but in a cute dress, otherwise a generic vampire.
The rest of the EoSD cast (aside from Cirno, KINDA) have remained exactly as bland over the years as they were in their first appearance.

>> No.16973909

>>16951308
Why do people think it's okay to insert their opinions into a conversation about a topic they know nothing about?

>> No.16973916

>>16962052
People who don't really understand the lore always come out of the woodworks for these kinds of threads.
EoSD was always stated to be a relatively new arrival in Gensokyo, don't listen to him.

>> No.16973933

I feel like the current Touhou plot started in MoF

>> No.16973957

>>16950262
>really out of place and irrelevant to the actual plot.
What exactly are you defining as the "actual plot" of the series? Considering that the focus shifts all the time to whatever topic ZUN decides to focus on, it's arguable that most of Touhou is irrelevant to Touhou. What major thing has Yuyuko done lately? When was the last time Keine mattered? How about the multitude of Stage 1-2 bosses that served as nothing more than distractions? Would you write all of these characters out too?

>> No.16973961

SDM haters are the dumbest idiots ever

>> No.16973974

>>16973957
>Would you write all of these characters out too?
Yes

>> No.16973978

>>16973974
You'd basically butcher the entire appeal of the series, but go ahead.

>> No.16973983

>>16973978
ZUN introducing new characters in every game and never mentioning them again is one of the least appealing things of this series

>> No.16973992

>>16973961
Honestly, the same rings true for its fans

>>16973983
The argument is that the wide array of characters is a large part of the series's appeal, but I agree with you here

>> No.16974019
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16974019

I like Meiling.

>> No.16974062

>>16973892
>If PC-98 didn't exist it would only require the rewriting of the few lines of dialogue where they each recognize Reimu and Marisa.
Why? You could always chalk it up to some previous event we just never saw because Touhou isn't a biopic. Like how Kasen knows Reimu.

>> No.16974296

>>16973961
Yep.

>> No.16974829

>>16973983
Except this rarely ever happens anymore. The fact that he has so many characters and -does- manage to keep so many of them active while not seeming forced is impressive enough.

>> No.16975668

>>16974829
>-does- manage to keep so many of them active while not seeming forced
Yeah because Mamizou and Sumireko are totally not forced

>> No.16975676
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16975676

>>16950262
autists worry about and fret over the small things.
Probably not
but small things add up so yes

not autism=no
autism=yes

>> No.16975683

>>16974062
>PC-98 didn't
those are considered bad writing
it's worse than cutting off limbs when it comes to a storyline

although ZEN is shit writer, so sure, make it look more messy

>> No.16975765

>>16975668
How are they forced? Both of them are from the outside world and a latest instalments, not to mention they're still relevant in written works.

>> No.16975776

>>16975765
The only reason they are relevant is because ZUN wants them to be relevant
Sumireko's story ended long ago and Mamizou became really predictable, that's why they're forced

>> No.16975779

>>16975776
>The only reason they are relevant is because ZUN wants them to be relevant
You could say that about literally any character a writer decides to focus on in fiction. Anyways, how can a character naturally become relevant without the writer focusing on them?

>> No.16975788

>>16975776
>The only reason they are relevant is because ZUN wants them to be relevant
What the hell is this logic? Sumireko is a human casually visiting Gensokyo plus we still don't fully know the deal with occult balls. Mamizou is Tanuki in human village, she deals with Kosuzu etc. How is she not relevant?

>> No.16975796

>>16975788
Sumireko has no reason to keep showing
She's just there because lol gensokyo is fun

>> No.16975810

>>16975796
It's hardly no reason when she was written and designed for that purpose.

>> No.16975824

>>16975810
She was written as a filler?

>> No.16976005

>>16975824
She was designed to offer a viewpoint of Gensokyo as a near total outsider looking in (as opposed to Sanae who's an acclimated outsider living inside it).

Her story isn't near done because there's still the occult balls and its lingering urban legend effects to deal with (if you'd paid attention since you'd know they don't consider it over with), the body switching thing, her intent to visit or become a part of Gensokyo for real and whether she'll ever succeed, and her relationship with Renko.

So prepare to cry more as she's probably due for a lot more appearances.

>> No.16976146

>>16976005
Fucking hell this plot refuses to fucking die.

It's just becoming cancerous at this point.

>> No.16976630 [DELETED] 

>>16975776
>The only reason they are relevant is because ZUN wants them to be relevant
This might actually be THE dumbest post related to Touhou made here, ever.

>> No.16977079

>>16975668
>"man it sucks that ZUN never gives characters time in the spotlight"
>he does tho?
>"F-F-FORCED"
You're getting stupider by the minute.

>>16975765
Word of advice: If you see the word "forced" in a post ever, that person is a shitposter. Don't reply.

>> No.16977870 [DELETED] 

>>16976630
You are right, your post is the dumbest shit I've ever read

>> No.16977880

>>16977079
Who are you quoting my new friend?

>> No.16978075 [DELETED] 

>>16962712
Epic

>> No.16978077 [DELETED] 

>>16977870
You're literally fucking retarded

>> No.16978081 [DELETED] 

>>16978077
You sound butt devasted

>> No.16978083 [DELETED] 

>>16976146
Lmao you're so fucking pathetic every time someone counters your point about what you think the series lacks and then proves the series has it you turn 360 and say it's shit are you actually this pathetic of a person irl?

>> No.16978088 [DELETED] 

>>16977870
No u is the classic response of the poor and mentally handicapped

>> No.16978112 [DELETED] 

>>16978088
Almost as bad as having no counter argument and calling someone's opinion "dumbest shit"

>> No.16978122 [DELETED] 

>>16978112
>The only reason they are relevant is because ZUN wants them to be relevant
The most embarrassing sentence I've ever seen typed on this website and you don't even sent being the retard who typed it or defending it in any way

>> No.16978129 [DELETED] 

>>16978122
Please be a good loser and stop posting

>> No.16978140 [DELETED] 

>>16978129
t. mega autist proven wrong with very retarded post he makes

>> No.16978144 [DELETED] 

>>16978140
>>>/v/

>> No.16978151 [DELETED] 

>>16978144
I don't go to /v/ like you but thanks for the recommendation. I'll be sure to upvote and give you gold later like the good little redditor you are

>> No.16978153 [DELETED] 

>>16978151
see
>>16978144

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