Antinomy of Common Flowers

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.tasofro.net/touhou155/index.html

[Anonymous No.]

shieeeet we marveh now.
I can't stand ULIL and HM since they're too lame in terms of combo stylishness. Hopefully this will up the crazy scale a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

Another year with a fighting and shooting game double release? Don't overwork yourself again ZUN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914188
I don't think he's doing much on the fighter, other than writing the story

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914166
Please god stop with this horrendous fighting game ''always floating'' shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914198
I don't see what's wrong with that, it's the same shit except you "fly" downwards too.

My real complaint about HM and ULiL is that they have even worse gimmicks than Soku, which makes everything very annoying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914195
He also composes the original music. I'm hoping after he took a break last year, he decided to spread out his work schedule so that he can get both games out this year in a more stable condition.

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>>16914204
>He also composes the original music

Which isn't much since he only composes the ones for the new characters. Then again I agree with slowing down production, but everywhere I see is people getting mad if for some reason there's no yearly release. We became fucking Pokémon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914210
Pokemon has two development teams working on two iterations in a 2 year time. ZUN only has himself, Tasofro, and whatever doujin circle producing Touhou games in a short period of 3-5 months.

[Anonymous No.]

So the pairings are going to be the most logical ones like Marisa and Reimu. A little disappointed because it would have been more fun if there were some unpredictable ones

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know what I expected

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914304
You can probably pair up whatever two characters you want if it's anything like most 2v2 fighters.

Even tasofro isn't dumb enough to force character pairs in a team game.

[ANON X No.]

>>16914166
On first glance it looks like doubles tennis with both sides doing the "I" formation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914166
>In this incident it's two-for-one?

>The still-ongoing influence of the urban legends has brought about a new incident.
>In this incident two people are one!? In that case, we'll have to resolve it together!

>Create the baddest pair using Perfect Possession!

>This is an incident where one person will spontaneously change places with somebody else, called "Perfect Possession".
>The playable characters are paired up as "Master" and "Slave", and you can manipulate this designation at will.

>The player will choose a pair of "Master" and "Slave", and will fight together while switching between each other as a danmaku tag battle. A Slave can lend the Master her power, occasionally pull her out of a tough spot, and be disposed in times of emergency. Such duels of love, friendship and exploitation will soon unfold.

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>>16914304
>>16914465
From the phrasing there alone it isn't obvious whether you choose the two as individuals or as a pair. However, the previous SCoOW interview does suggest pairing whoever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914465
>>16914571

Maybe you can only choose the pair for the story mode and you can freely choose the two characters for the normal versus mode? Like in Ougon Musou

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>>16914558
So who's the slave between Reimu and Marisa?

[Anonymous No.]

>finally get vs
>it's still fucking hm/ulil
>swr orbs and cards
Just cuck my shit up already.
They've learned nothing from French Bread and Ryukishi07. If they hire real people and quit being doujin they won't have to keep recycling the same junk for 5+ years at a time.

>>16914203
If you can't tell the difference between jumping and floating, there's nothing else that can be said to you. It has worse gimmicks BECAUSE of floating. Wait until you see how >annoying the assists will have to be in order to work in that environment.

>>16914465
You're severely overestimating tasofro's intelligence. Most likely, there'll probably be some kind of bonus for using certain pairs, making them forced de facto.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914198
>>16915297
>MUH SOKU WAAAAAHHH
Piss off.

[Anonymous No.]

Sadly game still only got a few good playable characters, this is the biggest turnoff for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915310
It could also be EFZ, or IaMP, or really any other fighting game ever invented really.

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>>16914203
Honestly, I find ULiL pseudo weather far more enjoyable than the weather in Soku. Not to mention that unnecessary deck system.

>>16915297
The only thing that floating actually changes is the removal of high/low hits, which is actually an issue as it removes mixups and heavily nerfs shield pressure. Other than that, it's actually a fairly standard anime fighter, only you can also jump downwards.

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>>16915361
Yeah, the fact that I can't play as an SDM for the 15th time is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915297
Of course a cuck poster acts like an angry loud sperg. Maybe just ignore the game and let the others enjoy it, it's not for you.

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>>16914558
>The playable characters are paired up as "Master" and "Slave", and you can manipulate this designation at will.

>The player will choose a pair of "Master" and "Slave", and will fight together while switching between each other as a danmaku tag battle. A Slave can lend the Master her power, occasionally pull her out of a tough spot, and be disposed in times of emergency. Such duels of love, friendship and exploitation will soon unfold.

Udonge finally gets away from being Eientei's Slave for one second and gets enslaved by Mokou.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there actually a point in making a fighter every two years? Is it to make the mechanics better in some way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915487
*150th

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>>16914304
>So the pairings are going to be the most logical ones like Marisa and Reimu.
That's most likely a pic from versus mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915477
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jump
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/float

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915310
>>16915487
Tasofro apologists will NEVER stop being mad that Soku still has an active community while ULiL died after a week (and so will AoCF). Maybe you should try playing an actual fighting game some time.

[Anonymous No.]

When will Tasofro drop this shit and make an actual new game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915737
It's like if you shit your pants in public: you just gotta keep going with it. They can't abandon HM after all the effort they put in the sprites and the flashy effects, even if no one likes it or plays it. Maybe this time the tag-system will save it, even though you don't make a tag-team game when your game only has 10 characters in it!

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>>16914558
I'm looking forward to all the pet doujins that come from this interpretation

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>>16915728
man it's not even about defending tasofro
even if the newer games are in some way inferior, this "community" you talk about is full of people who only play this game and now jack shit about touhou at all.

I say that as a sulamerican

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>>16915751
They could always use the sprites and some of the effects but make a big change on the system. I doubt this tag thing will be enough. I think they are just lazy at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915728
t. chilean

[Alolan Rumia No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915728
>>16915737
>>16915751
>>16915786
>MUUUH SOKUUUUUUUU

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915881
Who, dare I ask, are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915881
I could not give less fucks about muh Soku, i want an actual new game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915728
I've played other fighters and they tend to not have bullshit mechanics that change the rules of the game based on RNG. No one who plays competitive fighters takes any Touhou fighter seriously, except maaaaybe IaMP.

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>>16915881
Hey, ULiL sympathizer: search "touhou" on Twitch right now. On the first page alone there are four Soku videos from the past week. Meanwhile, there are ZERO ULiL videos, and I've been scrolling enough to make my browser lag.

Mad that your game will never get a rollback program, because no one gives enough of a shit to make one because no one likes the game? Mad that every single Sumireko doujin is guro and rape? Mad that the game has 40 fucking patches yet both english and japanese wikis stopped documenting it in mid-2015?

Yeah, I think you're mad. Soku, IaMP, and SWR 4eva.

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>>16915954
>four Soku videos
Oh man, a whopping FOUR videos. Wow, color me stunned.

All this does is prove my point that no one gives a shit about any Touhou fighting game and these arguments are a fucking waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

She'll be in the game right?
....right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915975
Yuuka has to either be in a game about Flowers or a game about Seasons, I would fucking hope

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915975
That would mean the game would actually have some good characters in it, that can't happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915983
Best outcome is both With her as the stage 6 boss in th16 But I wouldn't put it past ZUN to not even put her in either

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>>16915954
I'm just tired of your constant whining about "muh soku muh soku i'm a secondary and i suck at shmups and zun should only make soku forever because it's the only thing i'm good at since i don't have to be skilled at it because the RNG will do everything for me waaaaaaaaaaaah", that's all.

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>>16915975
Nope, you're getting Dark Sumireko, after she was corrupted by her Urban Legend Balls™. She's the only new character. Enjoy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915997
Will I also get Metal Sumireko and Doctor Sumireko?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915987
Yeah man, we need GOOD CHARACTERS, like CHINA, SOOKOOYA and REMEMEIA

How about Momiji and Utsumeme, too

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915990
Nah I'm afraid ULiL is the secondary game, since you don't play it, you just hold a direction and press a button to watch high quality pixel art {(except for mokou and shinmyoumaru, we didn't have time for them inbetween gutting all the code so they look like shit sorry)} juxtaposed against upscaled PNGs and then you press two buttons to activate your !!!EPIC LAST WORD!!! ***With Special Art by More Horawaki! Buy the new book today! Or else you won't know who the brand new character in this game is! Want a character that would be interesting from the shmups? Too bad, here's Ritera Riifuu!*** as you watch Sumireko snap a selfie with her Urban Legend Balls™ while the art hangs for about 5 seconds longer than it should *****BUY THE BOOK***** and Miko gets KO'd while the 4koma guys (Remember them from 2chan? LOL!) make the disappointed face, but only after 5 minutes have passed because you gotta wait for that Tasofro netplay to catch up.

Dead game, dead community, dead meme.

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>>16916001
Yes, along with Sumirechu the Electric Urban Legend Pokémon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916046
Jesus Christ, go back to /v/ and never come back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915297
>>16915728
>>16915954
Are all Soku fans this autistic?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915997
What about Red Sumireko?
She is my favourite one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916079
You mean South Americans? Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916079
I don't know, are all ULiL defenders the lonely kids that played by themselves at recess? Maybe that's why they're so comfortable with ULiL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916036
At least they're actual characters. Remember when they had to give Miko a cape and a sword because she was such a shit character that had no theme or presence as a final boss? Remember when they had to make up the fishing theme for Shinmyoumaru because her danmaku theme makes no sense in a fighting game?

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>>16916079
Yeah. There's probably something in the water in Chile.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916079
Fighting games fans of any kind are just unbearable shitposters. I would say that at least half of them are from /v/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915975
Fuck that.
The real question is whether BONES will be in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916118
>I would say that at least half of them are from /v/.
Not hard to figure out which half.

>>16916046
>>16916109

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>>16916098
You seem to be projecting your emotions and past childhood experiences on everyone here with seemingly no provocation. Are you alright, my dude?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916133
Reread the post that that post was replying to and try again. If you would respond to me with that but not the other poster, you're just outing yourself as a furious kusoge baby, u lil' shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915728
>Soku still has an active community
Oh yes. the oh so amazing Soku community.

That gigantic and active community consisting of the 12 chileans and 3 Nips that still play the game.

Granted, more active than HM/ULIL, but the game IS still fucking dead.

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>>16914166
Predictable combinations!

Not what I expected!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916188
Don't be so quick, that might be versus mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916212
yeah, you're right

[Anonymous No.]

Words on new characters?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915988
>With her as the stage 6 boss in th16
The final boss is always someone new. If Yuuka's in TH16, I think it will either be as the stage 1 boss, or the extra stage midboss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916349

Unless she appears only in the story, in which case she could very easily just appear in the Extra Stage story.
"Oh yeah, you know that really hard boss that just kicked your ass three ways from next Tuesday and worf effected basically every other boss? I called her here, she's my lesser."
Or something equally insane.

Having her as the Final or Ex Boss in her 'serious mode' that Zun commented on in her SCoOW article would be something else, however, if it had her revert to Long Hair and Pants.

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>>16915728
ULiL's death was Tasofro's fault, making fan patches almost impossible to implement, then making online fail if you don't have a jap ip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916349
If he's doing the seasonal touhous as bosses then they will probably rotate depending on character, and be on the same stage.
So Yuuka for Cirno, Letty for Marisa, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916606

Yuuka isn't Summer, Anon.
Yuuka represents ALL seasons (Flower Master of the FOUR seasons).

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916123
It's all about the bones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916639
Sounds like Yuuka will be in TH16!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916606
Stage 4 bosses
Reimu > Lily White
Marisa > Letty
Cirno > Yuuka
Aya > Minoriko

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916678
That would be cool but he does mention that he doesn't want to do anything non-standard with this one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916683
Whoever the unfortunate maiden is for stage 4 will be forgotten and over shadowed by the 5th boss anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916683
Different spell cards for different characters is pretty standard, so having a different boss for each character is not too much of a stretch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916683
>>16916685
Scratch Minoriko and replace with Shizuha since she's the actual fall character

[Alolan Rumia No.]

>unannounced un-lockable extra characters

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916727
I don't like this new namefag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916727
Only for Sony PlayStation 4™

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916668
Yeah! As a stage 3 boss to tease us at the end of the demo!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916683
What if the ONLY thing ZUN will make a standard is the gameplay, while the Story will unpredictably move forward greatly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16917452
As long as the Story doesn't move too fast it should still be relaxing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914173
WHENS TOUHOU?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914173
>>16917649

[Anonymous No.]

>>16917667
calm yourself now, buddy! you better take this!

[Anonymous No.]

Is the full game coming out at reitaisai or just a demo?
Usually we have a demo and some character information by now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916683
It's be a completely baffling move to not have the fucking seasonal characters in a seasonal game though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916079
Some South American sokufags are unbearably autistic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915751
>only has 10 characters in it
It's like you just stopped paying attention entirely while pretending as though you have been, how clever

[Anonymous No.]

>>16917772
demo
all ulil characters are returning

[Anonymous No.]

>>16917974
Dang. When's the full version?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16917896
You can have some in there, but I don't know about rotating a whole 4 for one stage for each playable. Then again, IN was pretty complicated with the alternate stage 4s and two options for 6th. Maybe they could be a bit spread out like that with some splitting across two stages? Could be interesting like this:
Marisa against Y and X
Reimu against Y and Z
Cirno against W and X
Aya against W and Z

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916683
Stage 4 gimmicks are incredibly standard.
EoSD is probably the most "by the book", vanilla game in the series, and even Patchouli has a gimmick.
The only games that kind of slack off in that regard are MoF, UFO, and LoLK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914166
So its like tekken tag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914204
In one of the interviews he said its takes him 3-4 hours to compose a song, and abandons it if its taking more than that, so I doubt he is really pushing himself on the fighter.

[Anonymous No.]

Sokufags and HM/ULiLfags are fighting here and I'm waiting for another fucking IaMP.

Well not really. I gave up on that dream when SWR released.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918046
>Grouping HM and ULiL together.
Nobody likes HM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918085
i like the character music better than ulil's

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918102
That's a superfluous component of a game when compared to how it runs mechanically.
And HM is dog shit, it feels awful to play. Nobody but the biggest contrarian can defend HM's gameplay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918046
And I want anything that isn't floaty bullshit. I don't care about Soku, but fucking revamp the movement system to something else.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw stuck with soku for another two yeara

[Anonymous No.]

>>16917992
I wouldn't devote stage 4 to them, I'd use stage 1 for Letty, Lily, Akis, etc based on what character/season you picked, and then just use newhus from there on out. And Yuuka somewhere maybe like Yuyuko in TD.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918011
I want to steal ZUN's unfinished songs and make a game out of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918119
If there's one thing I miss from HM, it's moveset customization without having to use decks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918004
I guess you could say that Aya's "gimmick" was that she was a returning character, Murasa's were the anchors, and Sagume's was using the yin-yang enemies as familiars.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918375
Stage 5 bosses honestly tend to be more gimicky. Especially Seija and Reisen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918375
>Murasa's were the anchors
I wouldn't really say her anchors, most bosses in UFO had silly danmaku from the very start with Nazurin's diamond things, those weird circle things Kogasa had, Unzan and his fists of fury and Nue's UFO's.

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[Anonymous No.]

Did they announce how many new characters are gonna be in this one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918663
everyone in ulil plus 5 more, one of which is the newhu and the other 4 being existing characters who haven't been in any fighting game

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918683
So who will they be? My guesses are:

Hecatia
Clownpiece
Seija
Yuuka

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916639
Don't be so sure anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918786
>Yuuka

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918786
>>16918796
Letty/Yuuka tagteam!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918786
Just because there's flowers in the title it doesn't mean Yuuka will be in it, seriously, when it comes to Touhou, NEVER makes guesses like that.

I can't wait to see everyone butthurt once the cast is revealed and Yuuka isn't in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916178
The game is alive, though. We moved from IRC to Discord and it made the game more active than ever (in the west, that is, I only know so much about the JP and Chinese communities, although I'm pretty sure they're still hella alive). Discord tends to be a piece of shit application most of the time, but It's far more accessible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918786
Clownpiece
Junko
Kagerou
Sekibanki

[Anonymous No.]

>>16919012
Who are the people who still camp out in #hisouten? I used to play there but when I stop by it's even deader than it was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918683
>plus 5 more, one of which is the newhu and the other 4 being existing characters who haven't been in any fighting game
None of this stuff was confirmed. Even "exactly" 5 characters isn't confirmed, although it's roughly that many.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16919052
It's all idlers, who either don't play or just stay there for whatever reason. The only activity the channel really gets is the bot relaying host IPs from the discord server.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918375
Aya and Murasa shared a gimmick of having a survival card in stage 4.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918786
Clownpiece
Letty
Medicine
Kagerou I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914166
I'm glad Harukawa Moe is back for this one too

[Anonymous No.]

>>16919380
Why wouldn't they be?
The only reason alphes got booted was because they completely fucked up on HM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16919417
It could have been alphes again. Maybe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916079
*Are all fighting game fans this autistic?

Yes

[Alolan Rumia No.]

>>16919356
>Clownpiece alternates are either different American flags or different nationalities both real and fictional

[Anonymous No.]

>>16917772
>Is the full game coming out at reitaisai or just a demo?
We don't know yet

And the demo tends to come a lot closer to release date than this

>>16918663
They said 20

That comes to ULiL's cast (14) + Reisen + 3 returning characters + "the strongest duo"

>>16919417
>they
Moe Harukawa is a grill. This isn't even a secret, how much of a secondary are you

[Anonymous No.]

>>16920336
>Moe Harukawa is a grill. This isn't even a secret, how much of a secondary are you

Not that guy, but the "they" was referring to Alphes, not Harukawa. Please read posts in their entirety before responding.

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>>16920336
Wait, returning? From where?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16920141
Who are you quoting? I would like this confirmed!

[Alolan Rumia No.]

>>16920394
You want confirmation Tengu!? IS MY WORD NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU ANYMORE! *cough* I j-j-just want some fun.
#we're doing this again

[Anonymous No.]

Is the final boss going to be a fusion of two other Touhous ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16920366
>I'm glad Harukawa Moe is back for this one too
>Why wouldn't they be?
Please actually read posts before responding

>>16920374
You know, earlier games

Maybe that wasn't the right word to use, I meant characters like Ichirin and Mokou, who never appeared in a fighting game before (at their respective times) but got picked to appear in their respective games, HM and ULiL

I'm not sure I'm making sense here

[Anonymous No.]

Thats definitely versus mode considering player 1 already won a round

[Anonymous No.]

I hope story mode has weird pairs and neat interactions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16920766
So new characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916087
Thats not Renko!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16920458
No, it's going to be a disturbing reveal about an altered history and a secret war for survival on the existential level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16919460

Agreed. Her art looks gorgeous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914230
Touhou games are far smaller than Pokemon

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916448
>Having her as the Final or Ex Boss in her 'serious mode' that Zun commented on in her SCoOW article would be something else

SCoOW had an article on Yuuka? What did I miss?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16920812
That gives the impression that they're going to be, you know, new

Like Tenshi, Kokoro and Sumireko

It can get confusing for some people to discuss the roster when nobody can decide if there will be 5 new characters or 2, because people use the term "new" both for returning girls and newhus

[Anonymous No.]

>>16915528
Is there actually a point in making a danmaku every two years? Is it to make the mechanics better in some way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16916683
He's making a more standard shmup. Stage 4 boss gimmicks are common in Touhou, but not in shmups in general, I see no reason why he'd go out of his way to avoid them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16918004
TD also doesn't have a changing 4th boss

[Anonymous No.]

>>16920939

>What did I miss?

Basically, to summarize:
- Yuuka is very strong, possibly the strongest in Gensokyo.
- Yuuka is very old, and this gives her experience which compliments her strength.
- Yuuka is at least Last Boss tier.
- More ambiguity on Yuuka's ability. It can do X, it can do Y. No limits given.
- Yuuka wasn't taking the PoFV event seriously at all.
- Depending on Zun's intention with his ambiguous wording, she may have not considered Shiki Eiki to be strong enough to bother with. Regardless, Yuuka was very confident that she could have defeated Shiki Eiki in a (real?) fight. (Aforementioned serious mode.)
- Basically the main difference between PC-98 Yuuka and Kazami Yuuka is the surname Kazami.
- Her current appearance 'is the same as in Seihou Project'.
- Zun reminisced about the PC-98 characters and openly wondered if he could get away with adding them into games. He then openly wondered if he should permanently retire them. This means he is still conflicted on the subject.

This is admittedly my amateur translation, so take it with a grain of salt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16921177
Thanks mate!
That means Mima still has hope!

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

>>16918657
The only characters I can see going with Mamizou and Shinmyoumaru are Nue and Seija, respectively. Not sure who goes with Nitori. (Aya maybe?)

That is, assuming they want pairings that make sense for the remaining characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914166
Is that Kaguya as Mokou's partner?? Hair seems a little light.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16921227
That's Reisen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16921233
Dammit, my eyesight is not very good, hair looked too floofy

That fucking sucks honestly. I was really hoping for playable hime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16921239
There's still a chance if ZUN retreads back from the whole "characters who weren't included in Soku" since Nitori and Mokou have appeared as well. Especially since the new characters will never have been playable in the fighters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16921177
>Zun reminisced about the PC-98 characters and openly wondered if he could get away with adding them into games
Does this guy just have a subconcious mental block preventing him from hearing or seeing all the autistic fans clamoring for PC-98 characters returning over the past decade?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16921251

[Anonymous No.]

>>16921254
Just because people want something doesn't mean it's a good idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16921268
That's not what I'm talking about. Most of the fans want the characters to reappear, so he could certainly "get away with it".

[Anonymous No.]

>>16920458
Yes, it's Sumireko merged with her Urban Legend Balls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16921177
>- Zun reminisced about the PC-98 characters and openly wondered if he could get away with adding them into games. He then openly wondered if he should permanently retire them. This means he is still conflicted on the subject.
This can't be real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16921254
>>16921285

That is the problem, anon.
If he does it WRONG...
...bombs in the mailbox will only be the beginning.

THAT is the question of 'getting away with it'. Remember, Zun is still mentally scarred from the death threats when he backed Suika over Flandre in a popularity poll.

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>>16921251
All ZUN said is that the new characters would be ones who have no appeared in the fighters before, so Kaguya is totally fair game.

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>>16921292
>death threats when he backed Suika over Flandre in a popularity poll
what?

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>>16921292
i'll never understand how can you go as far as menacing the very guy that is at the origin of your passion, and who isn't even an asshole, just a chill dude who drink beer and make video-games

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>>16921285
I took "getting away with it" as not only addng the PC-98 characters back into the series, but doing it in a way that's satisfying to most fans. Considering part of him wants to be done with them entirely, I think he's more conflicted if there's anything that can done with them at this point besides fanservice.

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>>16921291

From Zun's Comment on Yuuka's SCoOW article:
> そんなに今の設定とは合致してないけど、 あのころはまだ昔のキャラも出せたかなって。 恐らく昔のキャラはそろそろ隠居して、 今はいろいろなことを暖かく見守ってるのかなって思ってます。

First half of that is easy to translate:
> Even if it is not consistent with the current setting, I wonder if I could still get the characters from that day.

The latter half is not so much and is ambiguous.
It could mean:
> Perhaps the characters of the old days should be retired, I wonder if I am watching things warmly now.
Or it could mean:
> Perhaps the old characters were retired too soon, I wonder if I should watch things warmly and see.
depending on what Zun intended to convey.

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>>16921307
I dunno anon, why antagonize your fans who take the time to vote for your characters in good faith only for it to not mean anything?

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>>16921360
Please explain the event which you are describing

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>>16920971
It's actually easy. With the patterns for fighting game releases, there's only gonna be a completely new character or two, with the rest being from the shooters, especially those who weren't in the fighters.

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>>16919012
What's wrong with Discord?

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>>16921239
Should have taken this opportunity to force Kaguya and Mokou to team up, I agree. Reisen is a decent compromise but I was hoping for Kaguya, as unlikely as it might be.

>>16916188
Considering this might be versus mode we don't know if those are actual pair ups. Although I think it'd be ok if they were kind of predictable like
>>16918657 though. You would get some great banter doing things like forcing Byakuren and Miko together.

That being said I don't think Reimu and Marisa actually teaming up is standard or predictable. They always split.

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Sanae's coming back right? Please tell me Sanae's coming back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16921937
No. She is dead just like Memea and the Memeido.

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>>16921937
She was in the previous fighters, so no.
Slutty Luigi is gone for good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16921755
No quotes bot

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>>16921292
You're basically claiming there are some Chris Chan tier people getting mad over Touhou stuff, so I'll need some proof mate.

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>>16922067
>She was in the previous fighters, so no.
So was Reisen.

Fuck all of you, Sanae should come back.

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>>16921937
>>16922582
Why do you want Sanae to come back so much? She already gets plenty of attention in other things. She's my favorite, but I don't think it matters too much if she's in it or not. I'm just happy she's in three of the main games.

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>>16922552
Not him but I've read about that Suika and Flan popularity poll thing, but I've never read anything about people getting upset on the level of death threats.
Also it's not like Touhou doesn't have fanatics and weirdos in it (maybe on Chris-Chan levels, maybe not). And it's not like fans don't get rabid upset over petty things, especially like character appearances in games. Mima and Sakuya being pretty key examples. Or the whole Soku vs. ULiL nonsense which makes it now impossible to really discuss the fighters (really at all) without some sperg chiming in, ruining everything for everyone.

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>>16922582
Reisen was in ULiL.
ZUN said he was adding 5 more characters to ULiL's roster for AoCF, and said that none of the new characters would be ones that have already appeared in fighters.

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>>16915416
People just like to fight over anime girls on the internet to escape reality, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does Reisen get fighting game appearance privilege? Sanae should be in the game too.

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>>16922717
>Reisen was in ULiL.
And in SWR and Soku.

>>16922640
What exactly do you want to discuss? Soku is shit because of the ridiculous RNG nonsense, there's not much more to that story unless you're a secondary only in it for your waifoo Sookooya.

[Anonymous No.]

Are Sanaefags becoming the new Sakuyafags?

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>>16922889
No it's just me.

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>>16922885
>And in SWR and Soku.
Yes, but the point is that Reisin is not one of the new characters being added to the roster.

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>>16921105
TD's gimmick is having a 2v1 boss fight. It doesn't change, but it's unique enough that I personally give it a pass.

>>16921177
I still can't find a translation for volume III.

>>16922552
It wouldn't shock me. Don't artists who draw straight stuff get death threats from yurifags sometimes?

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>>16922962
Stage 4 bosses are not about having a gimmick, that would be s5 ones. Stage 4 bosses are about changing whenever you change your take on the game (the character/shot you choose)

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>>16922962
>Don't artists who draw straight stuff get death threats from yurifags sometimes?

Only notable one I remember being harassed was that one guy that does that Rinnosuke comic where everyone fawns over him.

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>>16921177
>- Her current appearance 'is the same as in Seihou Project'.
What does this even mean?

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>>16922993
Changing is a gimmick.

>>16923009
See, that's ridiculous.
If anyone deserves death threats, it's the Nitori rape machine guy.
Or the Gensokyo Keikaku guy.
Or that one about the kid who fucks everyone.
Or anyone who does guro.

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>>16923069
Yes, and MoF, UFO, TD and LoLK don't have it.

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>>16923128
Those all have different gimmicks involving their cards.
And if you really want to play that game, Stage 5 in MoF, UFO, TD, and LoLK don't have "real" gimmicks either.

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>>16923146
What are you even trying to argue?
Stage 4 was pretty much established to be the stage where bosses change depending on your shot.
Those games don't have that.
It's irrelevant if they have another thing in its place.
That's it.

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>>16923069
>Or that one about the kid who fucks everyone.
Which one?

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>>16921315
Pretty sure he meant something more along the lines of "the old characters have retired, perhaps they are just watching things warmly now".

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>>16923046
She had wings the whole time

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>>16923182
I'm just saying that "bosses change depending on your shot." is a gimmick.

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>>16923210
Neat.

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>>16923069
>Nitori rape machine guy

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>>16923555
I'm not sure, but I think he might be referring to Monikano. That guy can think of some of the strangest sexual devices.

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>>16923195

The problem is, that doesn't work with Japanese rules of context, which just makes that whole sentence so ambiguous that it can mean whatever Zun wants it to mean at a later date if he is ever called on it.
The man is almost legendary for doing this among (fan-)translators, and some of his characters (Yuuka, Shiki Eiki, Yukari, Eirin etc) do it too. It's quite annoying.

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>>16923629
The "subject は verb2 て, verb2" pattern suggests that it's the same subject doing both verb one and verb two.

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>>16915728
fucking pidgeon eaters I swear

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>>16923651

True, I forgot about that. Self-taught Amateur failing at the basics again.
However, wouldn't that just change it to be either
> Perhaps the old characters should be retired, and watch things warmly now.
which would still be an either/or toss up given the preceding statement?

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>>16923729

> either (proceeds to only give one option)

Aaand I'm too drunk to be posting.

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>>16916036
momiji would be good actually

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>>16916448
>seihou yuuka
my body isn't ready

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>>16919356
>medicine
please ZUN, the poor doll is more forgotten that pc-98 2hus

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>>16923210
>fucking yuuka have wings in "non canon" games and really have all the time, but hidden
>aya have wings in several printed works, obviusly she doesn't have, never had
wingless aya fags are retarded

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>>16921177
>More ambiguity on Yuuka's ability. It can do X, it can do Y. No limits given.
oh god, more fuel to yuukafags in powerlevel threads

>Her current appearance 'is the same as in Seihou Project'.
is he imply that seihou is semi canon?

>Yuuka is at least Last Boss tier.
she was last boss back then

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>>16923729
Translations by students is like amateur surgery, you just sort of do random shit and hope for the best. It's not pretty. As an amateur myself, my best shot looks is something like this:

>そんなに今の設定とは合致してないけど、あのころはまだ昔のキャラも出せたかなって。
Even though it's not particularly consistent with the setting today, at that time I had still been thinking about bringing out the old characters.

>恐らく
>昔のキャラはそろそろ隠居して、 今はいろいろなことを暖かく見守ってるのかな
>って思ってます。
Probably, I'd been thinking, "Maybe it's about time the old characters retired, to be warmly watching over various things in the present."

I'm not going to claim that this is correct or even more correct than yours, but that's how I read it: in the context of his past decision to bring out Yuuka in PoFV. I think that some of your claims about Yuuka's strength may be oversold.

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>>16923852
I was just about to post with a similar translation. It isn't about him thinking about bringing back old characters now, it's about how he had done it previously, and how his attitude has changed about it.

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>>16920939
We're missing a ton of info because SCoOW hasn't been translated at all

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>>16923852
Professional translator here...
You understand it pretty much correctly, but 恐らく is most likely related to the characters retiring, and I would translate 今の設定 as the "current (new) setting," but English isn't my native language, so maybe your version works better.

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AMATEUR TRANSLATIONS FOR GOOD CHILDREN

風見幽香は「花映塚」に登場する妖怪だ。一部のキャラを自機に選んだときに敵として戦うことになる。幻想郷のいたるところが花で満たされるという異変に、幽香は特に驚きはしなかった。長く生きる彼女は、かつて同じ異変に遭遇しており、その原因をよく知っていたからである。また、純粋に季節の花が好きという理由もあったのかもしれない。
Kazami Yuuka is a youkai who appeared in Phantasmagoria of Flower View. She appears as an enemy for some characters chosen. As for the unusual phenomenon of Gensokyo overflowing with flowers, Yuuka was not particularly surprised. As someone who had lived a long time, she had seen the same incident before, and knew well of the causes behind the incident. Also, she may have simply had the reason of liking the flowers of the seasons.

花を咲かせる、枯れた花を元に戻すなど、花を操ることができる程度の能力を持っている。そのため霊夢たちから異変の犯人として扱われたが、それは全くの見当はずれだった。
Causing flowers to bloom, restoring withered flowers to their former state, she has a level of power sufficient to manipulate flowers. For that reason, Reimu and company treated her as the origin of the incident, but they were off the mark.

妖怪としての強さ
Power as a Youkai

幽香は幻想郷に住む妖怪の中でもかなりの強さを誇る。それは花を操る能力より、身体能力や妖力など、妖怪としての基本的なステータスの高さによるところが大きい。長く生きるなかで蓄えた、経験の多さもその強さに一役かっているのかもしれない。
Yuuka has pride in her strength that ranks considerably among the youkai in Gensokyo. Much of this is owed to, more than the ability to manipulate flowers, her high physical strength and spiritual power, which determines a fundamental status of youkai. Part of this may also be due to the fact that she has lived a long time and amassed a great deal of experience.

「花映塚」でラスボスの四季映姫・ヤマザナドゥと対峙したとき、幻想郷で誰が強いかはっきりさせてやると喧嘩を売っている（映姫は幻想郷の住人ではないが）ことから、彼女自身も強さには自信があるのだろう。霊夢は過去に幽香を退治したことがあるらしいが、本当なのか今ひとつ定かではない。
When facing the last boss of PoFV Eiki Shiki, Yamaxanadu, she picked a fight by declaring that they should clearly settle the matter of who's the strongest in Gensokyo (the fact that Eiki doesn't live in Gensokyo notwithstanding), so we can see that she has a great deal of pride in her strength. Reimu may have exterminated Yuuka in the past, but this is not yet clear.

ラスボスに匹敵する強さを誇る幽香だが、実際に1998年に発売された「東方幻想郷」（いわゆる旧作）ではラスボスとして登場している。もっとも「幻想郷」では、風見の姓を持っておらず、設定も「花映塚」の幽香に直接引き継がれてているわけではない。
I've been speaking of Yuuka as having power rivaling that of a last boss, but actually in 1998's Lotus Land Story (a so-called old work) she actually was a last boss. But then, in LLS, she didn't have the last name Kazami, and it is not the case that the setting was directly ported over to the Yuuka of PoFV.

Comment from ZUN

単純に旧作（※「紅魔郷」以前）のキャラを出したかったんだよね
I simply brought out one of the old work's (pre-EoSD) characters, didn't I?

今の格好は後輩の「西方プロジェクト」に登場したときのものだけど、あのころ考えてた強いボスの条件として、本気じゃない方がいいなと。
The current form is that of the one that appeared in one of my junior's "Seihou Project", but thinking about her as a last boss at the time, it would be best if she weren't too serious.

だから最初は寝起きで、最後に本気モードと戦うの。
For that reason she starts off having just gotten out of bed, but in the end she brings her serious mode to the fight.

そんなに今の設定とは合致してないけど、あのころはまだ昔のキャラも出せたかなって。恐らく昔のキャラはそろそろ隠居して、今はいろいろなことを暖かく見守ってるのかなって思ってます。
(see above)

This translation has not been authorized or vetted by anyone. Proceed at your own risk.

>>16923931
You're probably right, though "current setting" has slightly different implications.

You picked an incredibly bad time to show up, now it feels like I've posted what I have for the sole purpose of forcing you to look at it.

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>>16923945
pastebin that shit

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>>16923945

Earlier amateur translator here.
This is actually very close to what I got in gist, differing mostly in choice of wording and that my results were more, for lack of a better word, clunky.
I opted to lean towards ambiguity in several areas given Zun's past tendency to split hairs on what he exactly said/wrote could mean, but that is neither here nor there.

One relatively minor nitpick, if I may.
> Causing flowers to bloom, restoring withered flowers to their former state, she has a level of power sufficient to manipulate flowers.
I translated that simply as:
> She has the ability to control flowers, such as making flowers bloom or returning them back from withering.
which doesn't impose a relatively hard cap such as 'a level of power sufficient to...'.

[Anonymous No.]

kokoro and sumireko's fights were so boring
i hope the new final boss is more interesting to fight

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>>16923945
Eh, I have too much free time on my hands anyway. And being a Yuuka lover, I would only enjoy this little pastime.

The translation is mostly correct again. I'd fix the "determines" in plural. I wouldn't say it's the author speaking of Yuuka as having the power like that of a last boss (because she boasts so herself), and a closer translation of the ZUN's comment is:
>> I just wanted to bring one of the old (pre-EoSD) characters back, you see.
>> Her current form is the same as in Seihou Project, created by my junior colleague(s), but back when I was working on LLS, I thought it would be better for a strong boss to not take the fight seriously [implying "at first"?].
>> For that reason you first encounter her just having gotten out of bed, and in the end she fights [actually "you fight her"] with no holds barred.

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>>16924069
"Power sufficient to" is a lower bound, not an upper bound. That said, this is ZUN's stock phrase 程度の能力 that led to one of Touhouwiki's pocket translation-war shitstorms back in the day that I never bothered to get to the bottom of and never will.

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>>16924080
My mind spontaneously failed when I was trying to parse 出したかった since I saw 出した and thought "past tense" then saw かった and thought "more past tense" which is pretty obivously retarded. Thanks for the taking the time to look it over.

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>>16923794
good riddance

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>>16923840
>is he imply that seihou is semi canon?
I don't think so, it's just that all of the abilities and feats she pulled off in Seihou are canon to her capabilities in Touhou.

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>>16925311
I wouldn't even go that far, he probably just means that her current design and personality is more inspired by her Seihou appearance than her PC98 one.

[Anonymous No.]

So translatorfags like Yuuka?
As expected of highly cultured people.

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>>16923823
Except ZUN did draw Yuuka with wings at one point, you fucking secondary retard.

[Anonymous No.]

I decided to play ULiL's campaign as Miko. At the end, she said that she noticed one of the balls was giving off and aura similar to that of the lunar capital. Was this a foreshadowing of some sort to LoLK? Or will it maybe have something to do with AoCF?

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>>16925765
Did... Did you not pay attention to LoLK at all on release?
The entire thing was a set up for LoLK, the final route makes that clear. And Marisa's LoLK route even deals with the occult orbs and Sagume's roll in the ULiL incident.

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>>16923823
I didn't say anything about Aya, and who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16925765
Occult Orbs were a plot by Sagugu the whole time.
It's a !NotMoriyaShrine Conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.]

All I want is regular fighting game inputs instead of smash bros inputs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16931962
Then a worse game?

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>>16915477
Floating actually makes the game a lot worse, but for a more complicated reason than most people seem to be able to describe.

First there's no crouching, so you have no crouching attacks
Secondly there's not many differences between "Standing' and an "Airborne" state, so you have fewer jumping attacks (Although ULiL kinda fixed this)
Thirdly you have to not only deal with opponents from the front and coming from above, but also from below you

Combine this with a simplified control scheme, and each character has typically only has like two attacks to really deal with opponents coming from each direction in neutral game. This is why match ups were so awfully unbalanced in ULiL and HM, because it was significantly more likely for characters to be unable to deal with another character's attack due to a limited move pool. Compare that to a much slower game like Street Fighter which only has to deal with characters from the front most of the time and sometimes coming from above, which has at worst 6 standing attacks, 6 jumping attacks and 6 crouching attacks to use in neutral game, which gives you way more viable options no matter the match up.

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>>16932553
Yeah we get it, muh soku muh soku, can you stop now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16931995
How is it hard to do standard fighting game inputs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16941333
No one said there were hard to understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>16931962
Is that even possible with this always flying bullshit? At least being the third game on that system, this might be the last one like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16931962
Fighting game inputs felt redundant in the IaMP fighters, especially since they didn't even have charge characters to take advantage of having such a system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16932553
>>16941980
Can you fuck off? Nobody cares about your soku obsession.

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>>16942414
I can't really imagine a charge character being viable in IaMP but that's just me. It'd be even worse in Soku where it's important to move around a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

whew does anyone here play arcsys games or are they too normie? Waiting for a touhou fg with similar level of polish/mechanics to main for the rest of my life

[Anonymous No.]

>>16932553
Who cares? Well, besides you and 8 other south americans.

Why do you care so much about a spin-off in a shitty meme genre?

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>>16946261
Are floating fighters the meme genre here, or all fighting games?

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>>16946267
Fighting games in general, no exceptions.

Just look at at any semi-popular fighting game community; they completely consist of some of the biggest autists on the face of the planet, and obviously, they are the only kind of people who care enough about this shitty genre.

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>>16946299
You must be really bad at fighting games

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>>16946299
All competitive game communities are full of autists, including the STG superplayer community. I can't fathom what the point of shitting on people trying to talk about fighting games in a thread about a fighting game is.

>they are the only kind of people who care enough about this shitty genre.
ZUN among them, no doubt.

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>>16946313
Not an argument.

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>>16946326
Shitting on a fanbase isn't an argument that has any bearing on whether a game or group of games is any good, either.

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>>16946331
Who even said anything abou the game being good or bad?

I'm not even shitting on the games, I'm shitting on the obsession that you and other crossboarder /v/ermins have with "muh Soku" that makes you have the need to bring it up in every single one of these threads.

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>>16946356
>that makes you have the need to bring it up in every single one of these threads
Every single thread about a new Touhou STG invites comparison to previous STGs. This is an entirely natural thing to do. The icing on the cake here is that >>16932553 doesn't mention soku even once.

The only obsessed person here is the person playing thread police to the point where commenting on fighting game mechanics apparently shouldn't even be allowed.

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>>16946356
Why are you giving him attention? You're only encouraging further spergouts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16946692
The attention he wants presumably consists of discussion about the mechanics of the Touhou fighters, not reflexive anti-/v/ (why is soku /v/ again?) shitposting.

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>>16944732
Sure, charge characters would be weird in IaMP style games, but that's kind of the main point of putting in inputs. If you're just going mortal kombat style and making all special moves associated with similar inputs that don't do anything to create another level of depth in the game (like having a charge character or a character with 360 motions could), then what's the point of having the input in the first place? Might as well just use Smash inputs, especially if you're only using like 3 buttons anyway.

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>>16932553
>Post mentions nothing about soku, in fact it's talking about street fighter
>Resident shitposter still responds to the post complaining about soku

If you needed any more proof that there's only one autist who keeps screaming about how much he hates soku and everyone about it any time the fighters are mentioned, here it is.

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>>16941980
The answer is yes, it would be possible to have normal skill inputs, but in reality they probably won't add them in, because doing something like a quarter circle would involve pressing down, and players who are slow at doing inputs would end up "Jumping" downwards, even though you could probably do the 236 move in this situation in while jumping in this game anyways.

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>>16918085
This guy gets it, folks.

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>>16918085
Back when HM came out I knew a few people defending it with their life.

And yes, I mean the release of HM, the one where the frame rate cut in half whenever you used supers, crashes up the arse, ridiculously awful netplay, unfinished characters, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16948235
>resident insane sokufag samefagging
Oh man you're right, you're not a shitposter! It was everyone else who was wrong!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16949609
Taking a dump on everyone who likes fighting games in a fighting game and bitching about South Americans is obviously shitposting. It has nothing to do with being right or wrong because there's not even an discussion on claims to be had, just one autistic shithead declaring that nobody should be allowed to have the discussion. Talk about the games or shut the fuck up.

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>>16949591
My favourite thing about early HM was Koishi crashing the game with one of her basic moves. Then they quickly made a patch to fix it which caused another one of her moves to crash the game.

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Knowing ZUN, the new characters will be completely random choices who really have nothing to do with the story but are there anyway because too many beers were present at the design meetings.

Expect Rumia, another form of Mamizou (who has no story mode) and Lyrica to be playable instead of someone like Yuuka.

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>>16944664
Good job bringing up soku in reply to posts that don't mention soku. Sorry that anyone whose played literally any fighting game other than Twilight Frontier shit knows that nu-2hu fighting games are crap. Enjoying that ULiL rollback? Oh wait.

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>>16949609
>>16948235
Who are you quoting

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>>16955816
Yuuka also has no reason to appear though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16955944
I know but she is the only character I could think of that people really want to show up, based on what people always post for this game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16955855
>Can you fuck off? Nobody cares about your soku obsession.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16955964
That's not Mima.

[Anonymous No.]

Any news about how they're doing the net code?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16955944

The story of this game involves a 'foolish duo who thinks they are the strongest'.

People seem to forget that a good quarter of Yuuka's character is that she considers herself to be the strongest in Gensokyo (and probably elsewhere), to the point of attacking Shiki Eiki.
Yes, actually attacking, not a spell card duel.
Zun has supposedly clarified in the past that the reason why Yuuka does not have an entry in the Grimoire of Marisa is because she does not abide by the spell card rules and nobody can force her to.
But even ignoring that questionable claim, you cannot deny that Yuuka has deep connections to the claim of 'most powerful in Gensokyo', true or not.
So, because 'powerful' is a plot element in the story, Yuuka does have a logical reason to appear - either as one of the 'thinks they are most powerful' duo or just as someone pissed off at the premise.

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>>16969372
>or just as someone pissed off at the premise.
I was about to say you didn't know what you were talking about until you said this. You know, you're right. This would be a perfectly valid reason to reintroduce Yuuka. Huh.

Not that I think ZUN might, I think he's going to focus on random pairs and unexpected characters to sell the whole "perfect possession is involuntary" stuff, but still.

[Anonymous No.]

Whatever this is just killed the site http://tasofro.net/diary/view/156
Is there an early demo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16972703
Seems like a limited demo release? 500 copies and all gone, starting lineup will be Reimu, Marisa, Mokou and Reisen, so Mokou seems like a main character this time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16914876
Both.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16969372
>to the point of attacking Shiki Eiki.
>Yes, actually attacking, not a spell card duel.
no
>Zun has supposedly clarified in the past that the reason why Yuuka does not have an entry in the Grimoire of Marisa is because she does not abide by the spell card rules and nobody can force her to.
no
>Yuuka has deep connections to the claim of 'most powerful in Gensokyo', true or not.
ok but so is fucking cirno

[Anonymous No.]

>>16973041
HM had Ichirin alongside the big R and M for the demo and she did diddly squat in the full game.

[Anonymous No.]

Demo releases tonight, yeah? Sometime within 12 hours?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16973214
Fingers crossed, place your bets on who the 5 new characters will be and which doujin circles you'd want to do their theme.

Actually wait that makes me wonder, are they going to get doujin circles to arrange the character themes again or what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16973219
I hope not. But if they do, they'd better get wanwan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16973214
Sunday 7th

Roughly 30 hours from now at best.
Since last uploads have been quite late, make it 40.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16973219
Five new characters? Where did you hear that? I'm presuming 2 new characters after all the recycles as this is yet another shitty HM expansion pack.

Wait for the REAL version on the SONY PLAYSTATION 4 next year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16973328
Last I heard was on twitter. I dunno, I just had a lot of fun playing ULiL with irl friends, been waiting for an expansion for a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16973219
Anon, the 5 new characters are not going to be in the demo. It's going to be Reimu, Marisa, Mokou and (I think) Reisen.

>>16973328
Ah, what Touhou thread can be complete without retarded shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16973366
Oh no, I meant the complete version. Wait, only 4 characters for the demo with no new one? That's a shame, I was looking forward to seeing who one of the new playables would be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16973366
There's a decent chance of character names being datamined out of the demo.

[Anonymous No.]

This game is gonna be a godsend for Yuri fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>16973389

Fairly good given how bad they've been about that before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16973161
Same with aya in SWR.

>>16973219
It's still occult ball related right? Then my best bet is nue, because of FS.

Kaguya maybe, because mokou and nitori ended up becoming playable.

>>16973389
I was thinking the same. Wasn't ulil datamined?

[Anonymous No.]

How many bongs lads

[Anonymous No.]

>>16973474
>>16973528
Yes, but not the final boss, people unironically were sure till the very release Hanako was going to be playable and supposedly the boss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16973528
>It's still occult ball related right?
no

>>16973601
Well yeah, the datamining yielded the name "Hanako" and until that point Tasofro never bothered misdirecting dataminers so it was fair to expect Hanako.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16973084

>no

You have a better reason for her obvious intentional exclusion from the Grimoire of Marisa - despite the explanation the other anon stated coming from Zun's own mouth?.
Obviously, no, you just want to enforce your opinion on the internet.

> ok but so is fucking cirno

And obviously, Cirno has a logical story reason to appear in this game, but won't due to other qualifications stated for this game.
Yuuka actually does meet these qualifications, and you are butthurt about this.
Good job, champ, you are mad on the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16973927
Not him but you're very fucking stupid for believing what some anon said without fact-checking for yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16974029

I remember one of the interviews where Zun said that, anon.
I didn't need to 'fact check' the other anon.
You are very, very much a ignorant fucking idiot for assuming that I did.
It's important to point out that the English 'sources' that say Zun said he just forgot never give a source and nothing of the sort exists in Japanese. So, the supposed claim is equally valid until proven otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

Komachi?

Will the lazy shinigami be in this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16975405
>komemechi
Im glad her and the yama are forgotten by.now

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=eVlyhZ226eM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBzUHjR6Ve4

[Anonymous No.]

>>16976743
>confirmed to be able to choose any assist you want
Nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>16976743
>You're severely overestimating tasofro's intelligence
Called it.
It's the same old 1v1, just with the ability to switch to your """assist""" for a few seconds only. It's a just a glorified patch you'll be paying full price for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16974133
>I remember one of the interviews where Zun said that, anon.
Post it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16977080
It's alright when soku does it though, isn't it, my Chilean friend?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16976743
Holy shit, are those NORMAL GRABS?

Gameplay still looks like garbage but at the very least they added something the game desperately needed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16976743
I'm kind of disappointed, the assist system looks pretty boring, I was hoping for Marvel style assists, or at least if it was a tag in system there would be dynamic entries or DHCs for cool combos. It looks like here they've limited how you can swap to only a couple of moves, severely limiting how helpful it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16976908
They clearly choose their partners in the first video, mongoloid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16977604
>Gameplay still looks like garbage
It's totally not soku. It should be more like soku!

EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE SOKU

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>>16973927
>obvious intentional exclusion
Haha no, she just has no Spell Cards to reference outside PoFV, which were not included in Grimoire.

Even if that weren't the case, assuming that her not being in the book is for a reason that reaches so far into make-believe as "she doesn't adhere to the spell card rules" is astoundingly dumb. To think this of Yuuka of all people despite her PMiSS entry being the one to preface that formal duels are seen as necessary amongst old and powerful youkai is pretty funny.

>despite the explanation the other anon stated
which is also bullshit

>Yuuka actually does meet these qualifications, and you are butthurt about this.
Yuuka could easily be in the game, but acting as though these arguments support her being included is moronic because they're genuinely abysmal arguments

[Anonymous No.]

>>16977691
That's what I said?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16977701

[Anonymous No.]

Generation 3 of touhou fighters when?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16977909
After the third Phantasmagoria game.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM85dPs3zLw

[Anonymous No.]

Download wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980440
Yeah seriously where is it

[Anonymous No.]

WHERE

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980630
It's on nyaa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980691
Don't do this to me!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980718
Have you checked nyaa?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980731
nyaa is kill

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980736
There is a replacement available that's up-to-date, but 15.5 is not yet uploaded.

[Anonymous No.]

Seems like people still didn't get it, I just uploaded one myself
https://mega.nz/#!dW5XFbha!cyFKIH3U_On3zUBNA6GtcIjNjrN3IK4StJBPalFafQM

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980783
I'm lubin' up for dolphin porn

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980783
Is this actually the demo or?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980783
It doesn't start. What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980793
>>16980825
legit

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980932
Same issue here

[Anonymous No.]

There seems to be a bug in the practice mode. The cpu mirrors all your actions. You can't really practice combos like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980932
>>16980943
Enjoy your trojans

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980951
Can you not turn it off in the options? Because CPU doing all your inputs is something that is found in some practice modes as an option.

[Anonymous No.]

If there is an option for it, I am not seeing it.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it just reimu/marisa and mokou/reisen?
Was expecting at least one newcomer in the trial

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980995
Reisen is the newcomer on PC.

:3

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980951
How did you get it to work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980951
>>16980987
>>16980999
i set p2's controls to gibberish and that fixed it

[Anonymous No.]

>>16980932
Same

[Anonymous No.]

So, now that the demo is out, how long until someone datamines it?

If someone tells me software needed I might give it a try.

[Anonymous No.]

I get a Kernel32.dll related error when trying to start the demo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16981004
th155.exe.log updates every time with "C:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Technologies\HydraVision\HydraDMH.dll" when I try to start game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16981045
And with "C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\microsoft shared\ink\tiptsf.dll" when I run as administrator.

[Anonymous No.]

So there are no gimmicks? Just the fairly normal assist character stuff? That's refreshing

[Anonymous No.]

>>16981045
>>16981050
>>16981018
lmao what plebs
>>16980952

[Anonymous No.]

How do you activate spellcards? A just switches your character or does some other attack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16981096
Melee attack and Shot and buttons pressed at the same time

[Anonymous No.]

>>16981107
Thanks.
I hate how they keep changing the buttons with every game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16981045
>>16981050
help

[Anonymous No.]

>>16981122
Your computer is part of a botnet now. Nothing you can do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16981018
>>16981045
>>16981050
>>16981059

???

[Anonymous No.]

>>16981282
????

[Anonymous No.]

The first option in Network seems to be random matchmaking with someone else in the entire world. You have to have blue words for it to remotely work, but I don't think it guarantees a decent or even working connection to your opponent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16981318
Also the UPnP thing at the bottom needs to be set to the first option.

[Anonymous No.]

After some netplay tests:
It's still tasofro netcode

[Anonymous No.]

>>16981013
We probably won't get that much out of data mining. At most, we'll get the names of newcomers and a fake name for the nuhu.

[Anonymous No.]

The gameplay seems pretty fun and finally there's a gimmick that isn't random annoying crap.
I don't expect people to stop playing soku but I hope this game won't be hated like the past two fighters.

[Anonymous No.]

My game doesn't start, please anons help

[Anonymous No.]

>>16981558
If they didn't make it floaty, it won't be hated.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any particular reason why the TH15.5 trial does nothing when you open it up?

Anti-malware programs aren't picking anything up, so I don't think it's a botnet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16982520
But it's not even floaty

[Anonymous No.]

>>16981558
Nobody hates ULiL except the Sokufags you mention. But they hate anything that's not literally Soku, so why do they matter?

>>16982520
Case in point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16982520
It's not even about that.

>>16981558
If the netplay is still as shit as usual, and according to >>16981325, it is.
Then the game is useless and unplayable outside of Japland with no rollback program is sight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16982815
>year of the trump presidency
>playing soku
I only hate ulil because the netcode is shitty. Where are the roll guys when you need them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16982815
>implying Soku is the only non-floaty fighter out there
I don't even like Soku. But I want a replacement that isn't about a gimmicky movement option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16921268
So, why he do not let people make a remake of pc-98?

[Anonymous No.]

Just played the demo.

Man, the game looks really rough around the eyes. Will they be able to finish it for this Comiket?

[Anonymous No.]

Is it just me or does the fall ability actually make stages easier as the game goes on?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16982845
Isn't ULiL unrollable? And unnetplayable as well if you aren't a jap.

[Anonymous No.]

So did they leave the full roster in the demo's code again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16983718
Nope. According to MotK, not even characters we already know will be in (like Nitori) have any data in the demo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16983718
>>16983730
I don't think LoLK's first demo had character info either. Wait for the second demo with story content.