Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1803

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Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1803 Anonymous Sat Apr 22 10:36:21 2017 No.16902927 [Reply] [Original]

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>16879647

This thread is for the discussion and learning of Japanese with raw VNs, LNs, anime and manga.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Let's have a nice thread by reporting and ignoring off-topic posts.
がんばってゆっくりしていってね！！！

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 11:12:44 2017 No.16903166 File: 81 KB, 358x258, 1476147234861.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdPb7hanuSY

None !!z3umYx8rQGR Sat Apr 22 12:12:47 2017 No.16903511 [DELETED]

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Going to do a manga reading challenge. Took this list from MAL, was originally 70 but I deleted some stupid ones like read a one-shot, etc. Going to make a rule that the manga has to be at least 2 volumes. Gonna try to finish it in 6 months. Filter me if you don't care, I'm just gonna update when I cross something off for motivation. I'm not gonna use a trip for things outside this of these attention whore posts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 12:39:45 2017 No.16903685 "強い奴ら"さ The "strong guys" The "strongest guys" The strong Which one is the best?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 12:41:05 2017 No.16903693 >>16903685 >The strong Without any context, I would go for this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 12:58:07 2017 No.16903785 >>16903693 The strong is like 強き物奴ら totally makes it like "strong dudes" or "strong guys"

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 13:03:15 2017 No.16903816 >>16903785 This

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 13:12:19 2017 No.16903871 >>16903511 Read a book.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 13:40:23 2017 No.16904034 File: 19 KB, 568x362, 1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Japanese is easy

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 13:40:45 2017 No.16904039 >>16904034 Kanji is hard

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 13:50:23 2017 No.16904101 >>16903511 For what purpose?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 14:00:04 2017 No.16904152 File: 40 KB, 495x393, 1344491082150.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How hard are the classics to read, like stories by Akutagawa and Kawabata?

Anonymous Sat Apr 22 14:14:10 2017 No.16904213
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>>16903511
I used to do things like that.
Let me give you a better manga challenge that will be better in the end for you.
1 - Read a manga you want to read
2 - Read a manga you want to read
3 - Read a manga you want to read
~
65 - Read a manga you want to read

Don't make a game out of it like that. There's no point. Don't read things you don't want to read. Just read things you want to read. If you don't want to read things then there's not much point in Japanese. I see the point of challenges, but making arbitrary stuff like that doesn't make any sense. In the end of the day you'll be reading things you probably don't want to read. Don't do that. Just read things you want to read.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 14:14:24 2017 No.16904214 >>16904152 Go to Aozora and find out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 14:17:14 2017 No.16904227 Texthooking japanese subbed anime is truly the most efficient way to learn this language.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 14:28:49 2017 No.16904297 >>16904152 For an N5 Ankidrone? Impossible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 14:37:30 2017 No.16904347 >>16903511 Manga isn't reading though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 14:38:58 2017 No.16904353 >>16903511 Why do you have a trip?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 14:44:14 2017 No.16904368 Best way to learn japan is to go to japan for a year or so.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 14:48:06 2017 No.16904384 >>16904368 Correct. But how is that related to learning japanese?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 14:50:02 2017 No.16904397 >>16904368 Only if you're able to make japanese friends and then make a total idiot of yourself in front of them every day for a year.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 15:06:23 2017 No.16904454 >>16904368 Does anyone here actually need to learn spoken Japanese?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 15:10:19 2017 No.16904468 >>16904454 The thread is split between two board.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 15:12:18 2017 No.16904475 >>16904454 Only if you want to learn Japanese

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 15:15:43 2017 No.16904488 any other easy games on 3ds like youkai watch?

Anonymous Sat Apr 22 15:16:07 2017 No.16904490

>>16902927
>>16902927
Two questions I must know:

1. When you want to say that someone wants to eat (or any verb) , do you say:
”彼が食べたい” or　”彼が食べたがっています”?

2. When you say some shit like ”私は音楽を聞くのが好き” , does the の turn everything before it into a noun? The sentence means "I like to listen to music," but the の kinda makes it mean something like "I like doing X", where whatever before の is the activity you like to do?

I hope that makes sense

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 15:16:39 2017 No.16904493 >>16904488 Pokemon

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 15:26:25 2017 No.16904534 File: 147 KB, 971x753, 正しい発音.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 15:32:31 2017 No.16904571 >>16904534 Are ee gateau

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 15:41:36 2017 No.16904623 いくよ！裏街道のエッチ Tell me if there is anything wrong with this phrase

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 15:43:44 2017 No.16904633 >>16904623 Prostitution is wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 15:52:00 2017 No.16904673 How proficient do I have to be to be able to read 源氏物語?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 15:53:09 2017 No.16904680 >>16904673 About three Japaneses.

Anonymous Sat Apr 22 15:56:56 2017 No.16904706
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/a/ looks at us and they say, "You're just dreamers! You will never learn Japanese!"

We can only answer: "You idiots, if we weren't dreamers then where would we be today? We have always believed that DJT would become a great source of knowledge and community. They said that we were just dreamers! We have always believed that we would break free of the shackles of translations. They said we were fools! We have always believed that DJT would learn Japanese. They said we were insane! AND NOW WHO IS STILL READING SUBTITLES, DJT OR /a/?"

My conviction is as strong as ever that one day the hour will come when those who chased us out of /a/ will kneel before us and recognize what we have struggled and fought to learn through our own labour, our own diligence, our own determination, our own perseverance, and our own will!

An entire language lies menacingly and tauntingly before us and it sends forth its massive armies of challenges. Today we strike deep into the heart of the language and fight! The war to learn Japanese nears its dramatic climax!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 16:00:05 2017 No.16904716 File: 74 KB, 424x600, 1473092282301.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16904706 >didn't write all of that in Japanese I'm not amused

Anonymous Sat Apr 22 16:05:09 2017 No.16904743

what are some good methods to learn kanji pronunciation other than "just read and get used to it"?
I did rtk and know ~2000 words, still reading is frustrating not because you don't know the meaning of the word but rather because you can't spell it.
When I learned english it was easier because even if you didn't get the meaning you could read everything, the process was more enjoyable and rapidly you would be in a virtuous circle.
It seems I can't enter this virtuous circle in japanese because of this fact, either I have to learn more vocab or indivual kanji prononciation...

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 16:07:28 2017 No.16904753 >>16904490 I'm not an expert but: 1. Second one seems right. 2. That is correct, it nominalizes the phrase

Anonymous Sat Apr 22 16:07:50 2017 No.16904754

>>16904743
The problem isn't learning kanji pronunciation, the problem is learning word pronunciation. Learning word pronunciation is basically just a matter of learning the words. Kanji study is a shortcut to make it easier to learn the few words made out of morphemes in relatively regular ways, but you still have to actually learn the words. That's all there is to it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 16:08:12 2017 No.16904757 >>16904743 You already fucked up by doing RTK.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 16:18:16 2017 No.16904832 What could the phrase 「女は間に合ってる」 mean in response to being offered a woman? Does it mean that he has more than enough women? He has enough of women?

Anonymous Sat Apr 22 16:18:17 2017 No.16904833

>>16904490
Generally you use たがる when you're making a statement about what someone else wants, because たい is about personal inner desires and it sounds presumptuous to use about someone else's.
>僕は東京に行きたいです
I want to go to Tokyo. [Using たい for your own personal desires is fine.]
>どこに行きたいですか
Where do you want to go? [Question instead of a statement, たい is fine.]
>彼は東京に行きたいです
WRONG, only he can use たい to state his own desires.
>彼は東京に行きたがってます
He is acting like he wants to go to Tokyo. [Correct because you are not making a statement about what he wants, but only about what he appears to want.]
>彼は東京に行きたいって言いました
He said that he wants to go to Tokyo. [This is also correct because he is saying it, not you.]

Anonymous Sat Apr 22 16:23:45 2017 No.16904858

>>16904743
In a lot of cases pronunciation is determined by context, for those cases reading more really is your only option. However for your particular gripe it may help to study those components of kanji which often decide the pronunciation, for example that bit that makes 検, 剣 and 験 all say けん. There are a lot of those and they can be really helpful, but I'm not sure what resources there are for studying them, I tend to just try and pay attention and spot them by myself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 16:28:17 2017 No.16904877 >>16904743 If you really are at a level where you don't need to rely on a dictionary and can learn things from context you should know just about every reading that doesn't get ruby.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 17:30:24 2017 No.16905149 おはようおにいちゃんマヨネーズたべたい

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 17:35:47 2017 No.16905176 >>16905149 私も食べたいけど

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 17:38:07 2017 No.16905187 >>16905149 俺のマヨネーズ？

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 17:42:26 2017 No.16905211 File: 84 KB, 625x468, 4805fb0aa244b1a2a7ba707001f19a3d4b19eaefecfc0afefbd918324672d6f4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16905149 マヨネーズって楽器なんだ？

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 17:48:32 2017 No.16905237 File: 130 KB, 894x894, 1480693401942.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16905149 マヨネーズだけなのか？マヨネーズそのものは食べ物じゃなくて普通の食べ物の追加でしょ。健康に悪いかもな。

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 18:01:50 2017 No.16905299 File: 183 KB, 402x581, 4564564.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 死ぬなよ

Anonymous Sat Apr 22 18:06:16 2017 No.16905325

>>16904743
Literally just keep adding words to Anki until you hit about 25k. By then you should rarely need a dictionary. This is the easiest way to master Japanese, but most people consider it to be boring / will settle for intermediate (always dictionary dependent or guessing). Good luck!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 18:14:49 2017 No.16905364 >>16904534 This looks like a pronunciation guide for a pidgin like Yokohamese https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avE8YQKtUyE

Anonymous Sat Apr 22 18:58:48 2017 No.16905519

>>16904706
Don't be dumb never /a/ said that you couldn't learn Japanese, in fact the threads started there so you could help other people and/or enjoy your things without subs to get the full experience.
The only reason in was chased off and frowned upon was because it was a general and because it attracted lots of external people that started leaking out of the general plus many off-topic posts and blogging in general.
Then again I'm probably replying to pasta so whatever, but at least I can see the quality of the threads has gone up slightly since the exile from /a/ and split from /int/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 18:59:29 2017 No.16905520 >>16905519 >Don't be dumb never /a/ said

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 19:11:06 2017 No.16905575 >>16905520 My bad for not proofreading the post, however my point still stands.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 19:27:24 2017 No.16905657 Whats the difference between 「目一杯」 and 「精一杯」? From what I can tell, they both mean "with all one's might" but 精一杯 seems to be much more frequently used. Are they interchangeable with each other, or with 一生懸命?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 19:34:53 2017 No.16905701 >>16905657 漢字でも見ればすぐに分かるだろう

>>	None !!z3umYx8rQGR Sat Apr 22 19:40:45 2017 No.16905722 41. Read a manga that takes place in Japan 素晴らしい世界 (2 volumes) 1/65

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 19:42:55 2017 No.16905735 >>16905722 Why do you have a trip?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 19:44:04 2017 No.16905741 so you can filter

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 19:50:35 2017 No.16905772 >>16904227 How do you do that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 19:54:49 2017 No.16905792 >>16905772 Just hook your media player with ITHVNR while you have a show with jap subs playing.

Anonymous Sat Apr 22 20:01:05 2017 No.16905823

>>16904227
I bet you think subs help you listen. All they do is tell you the answer, but as soon as you turn them off you'll still be shit at listening. You need to suffer through a few hundred hours of mostly incomprehensible dialogue to actually get good at listening. You hear people brag here about reading all the time, but how often do you ever hear about people brag about listening? All I hear is people talking about "but my listening isn't as good". Subtitles, whether they are Japanese or English won't help you with your listening ability. It's like those people who do RTK and think they can read because they can guess at meanings of words afterwords.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 20:04:12 2017 No.16905837 >>16905823 I don't read the subtitles as they're talking. I read the lines I didn't understand afterword in firefox. Just listening to dialogue you don't understand has small learning value.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 20:07:20 2017 No.16905858 File: 170 KB, 1599x1004, Phantasy-Star-Online-USA-2-Page.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this an accurate translation?

Anonymous Sat Apr 22 20:07:37 2017 No.16905861

>>16905837
Depends on what you mean by don't understand. If you can understand with the subtitles, you should be able to understand without, but you haven't practiced enough yet to hear it. The other thing that people do when they "listen" is they don't even try to understand. They just let it stay random noises with a desu here and there. You need to actually actively attempt to listen. If you're decent at reading, you don't need subtitles, you just need to actually put in time and effort.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 20:09:49 2017 No.16905870 >>16905858 the pleasure of being cummed inside

Anonymous Sat Apr 22 20:11:20 2017 No.16905872

>>16905701
Sorry,
精一杯: せいいっぱい
目一杯: めいっぱい

If it helps, they're both from a line from a song:
目一杯のSmiling！　精一杯にShining！

Two different sources translates that line as
>Our eyes are Smiling! I try my best to Shining!
>Smile till your heart bursts! Shine brighter than anyone!

The first one I feel is wrong, and it seems like it was translated with google translate then touched up. The second set of translations, the guy went with things that sound good even if it meant sacrificing the original meaning.

I'm not very far along with my Japanese yet and this may be more advanced than I should bother with, but I was just wondering about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 20:14:38 2017 No.16905879 >>16905872 The problem is you're trying to translate it to english.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 20:20:55 2017 No.16905908 >>16905879 So just don't worry about it for now, and come back to it later?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 20:24:12 2017 No.16905929 >>16905858 I'm not sure, but it looks right.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 20:31:55 2017 No.16905964 背中は届いてないところが痒い。なんて悪神だ

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 20:35:16 2017 No.16905988 >>16905872 You need to forget English translations for questions like these and just compare the J-J dictionary entries. Forget 'with all one's might' because that seems particularity misdealing for 目一杯

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 20:43:59 2017 No.16906031 >>16905988 Alright. Thank you very much.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 20:44:04 2017 No.16906032 >>16905964 痩せてください

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 21:15:48 2017 No.16906172 >>16905964 届けないところ

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 21:39:08 2017 No.16906274 >>16906172 惨敗です

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 21:43:13 2017 No.16906288 >>16906172 is there a difference then between >食べてない and >食べない ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 21:46:57 2017 No.16906306 >>16906288 I assume you haven't had your appointment with Dr. Kim yet

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 21:59:31 2017 No.16906356 >>16906306 it's a long line

Anonymous Sat Apr 22 22:04:55 2017 No.16906386

>>16906288

Yes, 食べてない　means "is not eating" representing a continuous negation in the present. So, someone not eating at the present moment.

食べない just means "not eat". So, 食べない人 might be someone who doesn't eat generally, whereas 食べてない人 might be someone who isn't eating right now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 22:08:32 2017 No.16906397 >>16906386 I think that's easier to see if you learn long form first and then short

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 22:31:28 2017 No.16906474 >>16906386 >>16906397 thanks a lot anon.

Anonymous Sat Apr 22 22:54:19 2017 No.16906564

>>16905823
I think there's some truth here, but I sti lrefer subtitles when watching content, so instead I just use content I can't get subs for when I'm only using headphones no video. I do this with youtube vids of japanese people talking with 外人 or music. Normally this is when I'm exercising or jogging anyways, so I'm not wasting study time on things I can't mine or check well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 00:06:34 2017 No.16906847 >>16905823 >suffer through a few hundred hours of mostly incomprehensible dialogue to actually get good at listening perhaps i should stop watching nhk 7, they do subtitle most of it

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 01:32:02 2017 No.16907136 File: 577 KB, 1548x1200, 090.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >忘れないように >ちゃんとカギして What's カギする meant to mean here? Doesn't seem to make any sense.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 01:34:25 2017 No.16907144 >>16907136 鍵をかける

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 01:39:59 2017 No.16907158

Anyone has experience with the Marugoto textbooks? I skimmed them and was impressed with how up to date they are. The basic book has some bonus exercises for you to know common Japanese emoticons and meme words. Really made me realize that Minna no Nihongo is 25y old now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 01:42:09 2017 No.16907165 >>16904347 Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 01:48:43 2017 No.16907176 >>16903511 Sounds fun anon, a good way to expand your interests. If you're reading digital versions or scans, would you mind adding a column for mega links?

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 01:50:10 2017 No.16907178
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>>16907144

So it's some sort of metaphorical "locking in" a memory of her?

Also with this page, does 昭和 have any other meaning besides the era? Because I can't find any and "It's not the showa era" would be a strange thing to shout in the context of a wrestling match as far as I know.

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 01:52:45 2017 No.16907185

>>16905519
>but at least I can see the quality of the threads has gone up slightly since the exile from /a/ and split from /int/.
Serious? Most of these threads on /jp/ have unfortunately attracted the very worst and most cancerous anon from the threads on /a/. It's terrible for beginners.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 01:54:20 2017 No.16907191 >>16907185 Are you seriously this upset about writing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 02:08:11 2017 No.16907239 >>16907178 その試合で審判の判定ミスがあった？

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 02:09:31 2017 No.16907246 >>16907239 >その試合で審判の判定ミスがあったそう、でもなぜ「昭和」？

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 02:13:33 2017 No.16907262 >>16907246 昔（昭和）だとビデオ判定を出来なかっただから今（昭和じゃない）は判定ミスは許されない正確に判定しろ！　という意味

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 02:23:22 2017 No.16907292 何度か書いていますが、私は阿佐ヶ谷に結構長く住んでいます。そして、こういうブログをやっているくらいなので喫茶店などが好きで、興味の無い人から比べたらソッチ方面のアンテナ張って生活しているので僭越ながら多少は詳しいぞ、という自負があるわけです。 >ソッチ方面のアンテナ張って生活している she's referring to 喫茶店 right? she has a antenna for it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 02:32:08 2017 No.16907313 >>16907262 Dat's pretty deep, thanks anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 02:46:30 2017 No.16907354 >>16907292 もう少し前の文章が必要、それだけでは判断できない。

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 02:48:54 2017 No.16907361 >>16907354 http://nipponnostalgie.hatenablog.com/entry/2017/03/30/110000 that's actually the start of the article

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 02:58:33 2017 No.16907379 >>16907361 この場合のソッチ方面は喫茶店で合ってる。 You are right. 正確には喫茶店と古いお店。彼女はそれらのことについて詳しい。＞アンテナを張る情報を集める

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 03:15:57 2017 No.16907423 >>16906172 おしい >届かないところだよ >>16907292 >>16907354 >>16907379 ぜんごいらないよ専門の人よりは詳しくなくて、一般の人より詳しい時にこういういいかたをあたしはしないよ。おっさんくさい

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 03:20:58 2017 No.16907441 >>16907423 前後の文章なしで彼女が懐古厨だって分かった？そういう含みもあるからねソッチ方面には

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 03:26:08 2017 No.16907452
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Automatic flashcards make it all a bit easier but it's still a pain in the ass because it tries to capture the nuances of every word and ends up putting down a bunch of english words that more or less mean the same thing, I find myself having to custom edit close to every card so the information on the flashcards stays somewhat concise. Does anyone know if there is some kind of card layout customization with Yomichan? Because the way it is now, it's kind of a hassle.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 03:28:39 2017 No.16907461 >>16907441 アンテナ張ってるってのが変クロールしてるんで、とかのほうがまだ通じるとおもうよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 03:34:34 2017 No.16907485 >>16907461 うーーーん、妹は若い？10代とかなら分かるそれかたまたまかな　割りと普通に使う言い回しだと思うけどねクロールとか逆にマイナー過ぎるでしょｗ　凝りすぎてるｗ

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 03:43:32 2017 No.16907525 >>16907485 >巡回してるんでこれもちょっと変 >ブクマしてるんでこれならいける？ >マイリスしてるんでこれはニコニコのスラング

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 03:49:42 2017 No.16907549 >>16907525 >アンテナを張るこれはネットや書籍だけじゃなくもっと広い意味で、人から聞いたり自分で実際に探したり情報を集めること全てを指してるのよ行為としてはとても抽象的で明確な行動は示してない。単に情報を集めてるって言ってるのと同じ。 >巡回、ブクマ、マイリスこれらはクロールに近いね

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 03:52:11 2017 No.16907562 >>16904706 lol DJT EOPs

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 04:00:34 2017 No.16907597

>can understand anime decently
>but want to watch proper TV shows with real people
>can barely understand TV shows

Do I keep watching anime until I get better or watch TV shows where I can't understand much and improve that way? Which way is faster/more efficient?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 04:01:24 2017 No.16907602 >>16907597 the latter the latter

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 04:02:05 2017 No.16907604 >>16907549 なんだパンツ屋さんだったのかーむこう落ちてるの？

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 04:07:54 2017 No.16907619 File: 58 KB, 800x523, いつものパターンか.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16907604

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 04:11:04 2017 No.16907626 File: 43 KB, 1056x348, Screen Shot 2017-04-23 at 3.09.30 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Yo why does it say it means this are not "there is a handkerchief entering my right pocket"??

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 04:13:30 2017 No.16907632 >>16907626 my/yourだよどっちかは激しく前後によるよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 04:19:12 2017 No.16907646 >>16907602 Feels like I can't follow it long enough to improve

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 04:34:29 2017 No.16907690 >>16907626 Because you don't know about the 結果残存 usage of ている form.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 04:35:22 2017 No.16907693 >>16907597 Yeah when I watch anime I feel like I understand way more of it than when I listen to Japanese podcasts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 04:39:33 2017 No.16907707 >>16907619 原液カルピス一気しろ

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 04:40:51 2017 No.16907711 >>16907690 Tae Kim made it sound like resultant states were only when ある was added to the て form

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 04:43:09 2017 No.16907721 >>16907711 That's what you get for reading Tae Kim.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 04:58:02 2017 No.16907784 >>16907721 Yeah, you really showed that clueless beginner. What a badass.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 05:03:12 2017 No.16907802 >>16907721 >>16907784 redpill me on resultant states and ている

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 05:07:37 2017 No.16907816 >>16907802 http://www.punipunijapan.com/japanese-te-iru/ just google whatever you're having trouble with + japanese grammar and a resource comes up. or use the dojg.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 05:11:36 2017 No.16907828 >>16907693 Where do you find good podcasts?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 05:15:47 2017 No.16907846 がいこくの「日本食」レストランで金属製の箸が出てくるってほんとう？

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 05:28:59 2017 No.16907901 >>16907846 見たことない普通は割り箸と思うよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 05:54:10 2017 No.16908007 >>16907452 {CHECKED} ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 05:56:41 2017 No.16908016 >>16908007 With an Anki plugin sentences are being taken from a database with a lot of Japanese sentences and the way I understand it all the ones marked with {CHECKED} have been controlled manually and are guaranteed to be correct.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 06:17:54 2017 No.16908125 >>16907901 塗り箸じゃないんだねにほんではプラ箸もおおいいよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 06:23:12 2017 No.16908148 >>16908125 そうか？米国でいつもプラスチック箸を見つけなかった

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 06:25:47 2017 No.16908160 File: 42 KB, 428x428, ぷらばし.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16908148 おべんとうにつける箸箱入りの箸がプラ箸だよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 06:31:44 2017 No.16908187 File: 293 KB, 1162x1104, にんき.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16908148 こういうプラ箸をもってきてるひとのいえはだいたいお金持ち

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 06:42:00 2017 No.16908231

>>16907784
You sound like a little Tae Kim reading N2-kun.

Maybe you should stop considering websites you read to be the extensions of yourself. Then you'd be able to leave them and read something better instead. Hopefully the guy who asked the question was able to do this. Probably yeah, considering he didn't bitch out like you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 06:55:10 2017 No.16908266 >>16908187 ええ？お金持ち？一回使用することですか？

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 06:57:53 2017 No.16908273 >>16907711 Actually, he implies resultant states are possible, in a really terrible and unnoticeable manner, with ている using examples with stative verbs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 07:43:24 2017 No.16908372 File: 17 KB, 400x289, dodge.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16908016 theres only ever one sentence in mine like that, i dont get it theres nothing to witness

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 08:11:38 2017 No.16908435

>>16908372
I think sentences have also be manually paired with words so while you may get a checked sentence for one word, you won't get the same sentence again if you have another word in that sentence on your flashcard. I'm getting no sentence for some incredibly common words and as you can see, three in that one. It's a bit random.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 08:53:51 2017 No.16908540 File: 42 KB, 272x287, 1442096435498.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] おはよう～今日も一日頑張ろうね

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 08:56:54 2017 No.16908546 >>16908540 無理しなくてもいいよゆっくりしよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 09:02:04 2017 No.16908553 >>16908546 ダメだよゆっくりとは諦めるのへ一歩だよ

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 09:09:20 2017 No.16908568

>>16904706
I believe that just like I eventually have learned English by sitting on websites and watching movies to the point when I can read, listen and understand ~80% of information (I still cannot write and speak well and don't know any grammar rules) I and everyone can learn Japanese by reading news, VNs, manga and listening Japanese podcasts and radio. You could laugh at my English skills but if I had listened to people who said "You will never learn English until you move to an English-speaking country" I wouldn't be here reading your posts and talking with you guys. A new language opens a huge chunk of content like articles, books, movies, music and so on. It's really awesome.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 09:19:01 2017 No.16908595 Is there an easier way to check if a 3rd party seller on Amazon ships outside of Japan other than putting it into your cart and viewing at the checkout?

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 09:25:11 2017 No.16908613

>>16908568
>"You will never learn English until you move to an English-speaking country"
Complete and utter nonsense. All that matters is exposure. English is my third language and I speak and write at a native level if you disregard my accent. Recently got my C2 (CEFR) and I have never even been in an English speaking country. It has almost gotten the point where my proficiency in the other languages is suffering because of lack of exposure, all I do every day is hang around on the internet. What heavily contributed to me getting proficient in English though is active interaction with the English speaking community. That means browsing and writing on forums and image boards like this. I don't think it's possible to be proficient in any language if all you do is passively absorbing so attempting to talk to Japanese people can probably go a long way.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 10:24:28 2017 No.16908744 File: 44 KB, 726x628, aw.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >趣味：ホラー小説　*活 Can someone read what the small text says?

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 10:29:31 2017 No.16908760
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I think my problem is that ive never written any clear goals out with my japanese studying.

My goal no is too get the JLPT1 and comptia for computer stuff

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 10:36:09 2017 No.16908783 >>16908744 執筆活動かな

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 11:00:16 2017 No.16908884 >>16908783 Makes sense. Thanks anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 11:06:28 2017 No.16908914 File: 40 KB, 480x550, 1485320751259.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16908760

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 11:12:31 2017 No.16908938 >>16908760 Fuck off back to r9k, faggot. Also, you forgot your name.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 11:45:34 2017 No.16909100 File: 284 KB, 1024x576, ev112_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16908760 My goal is to read pic related.

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 11:48:57 2017 No.16909119

Context is guy gives a girl candy
>これは、今日の分だ。残りは、明日の分だ。明日一日やり遂げたら舐めるんじゃなくて、一回だけやり遂げたら、舐めてみろ
"If you accomplish it (?) all day tomorrow, don't lick it, accomplish it only once and go lick it." Probably made a big mistake somewhere but I don't get it help

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 12:01:51 2017 No.16909193 File: 193 KB, 640x360, ものべの.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16909100 My goal is to read pic related

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 12:04:39 2017 No.16909208 >>16909193 Then go for it. It's easy. You can't be expected to know Himemiya-sama's dialect, so just look it up as you go. Same with medical terms in Alice's route. And also old Japanese Takijorou speaks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 12:04:48 2017 No.16909211 >>16909100 That looks pretty blurry. Did you try finding a different image?

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 12:09:21 2017 No.16909232

>>16909119
"This is today's portion. The rest is for tomorrow. Tomorrow, if it takes you the whole day to finish it [an assignment?], you're not getting a taste of it, [but,] if you do it in only one round, you can have it [a taste of it]."

Sorry, I tried.
Sounds like he's trying to get her to do stuff by setting up a reward system.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 12:12:17 2017 No.16909245 File: 2.65 MB, 2048x2304, ev941_l.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16909211 Does it? I believe it looks okay.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 12:12:44 2017 No.16909248 >>16909208 Eh, I don't know. ものべの is something I'd like to enjoy to the fullest and not just "get the gist" of what's being said, so I think it might be best to wait a bit longer until I'm confident and proficient enough to read it properly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 12:13:37 2017 No.16909254 >>16909248 Hmm, if you're a beginner then wait, yeah.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 12:13:39 2017 No.16909255 >>16909245 I tried making a joke on you wanting to read the robot's imprint.

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 12:15:05 2017 No.16909263

>>16909232
Hm.. I don't really see what he could mean about finishing because he just met the girl 5 mins ago in the hospital. He gave her the candy as reward for guessing right what's in his pocket. Also a bit later he said this
>その飴はお前の正当な報酬だから受け取っておけ。
>明日の分とか言ったが、食べたければ全部、今、食べてもいい

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 12:17:10 2017 No.16909274 >>16909255 Fuck. Nice digits btw.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 12:19:27 2017 No.16909285 >>16909263 Then I have no idea of what やり遂げる could refer to. Sorry. Maybe he's talking about her accomplishing something in her treatment, like getting back on her feet or something like that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 12:33:39 2017 No.16909359 >>16909193 What is this ものべの meme? Is it some easy and boring VN?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 12:35:17 2017 No.16909366 >>16909359 Presumptious new people like you make me sick.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 12:43:37 2017 No.16909415 File: 391 KB, 1082x2157, 1481572779794.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16909359

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 12:58:18 2017 No.16909500 >>16908231 Are you ok? You're projecting a lot here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 13:00:18 2017 No.16909515 >>16907711 Meanwhile in sakubi: >Normally, intransitive verbs plus ている act alike transitive vebs plus てある. Any more is outside the scope of this guide.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 13:09:04 2017 No.16909566 なんてこったｄｊｔ何があった

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 13:16:26 2017 No.16909603 >>16909366 I've probably been here longer than you. ものべの just looks like another one of those memes meant to make people read a boring VN

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 13:25:57 2017 No.16909659 >>16909603 I guess I can see it being boring for an ADHD guy like you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 14:04:50 2017 No.16909874 Anyone know anything good and compelling that I can listen to on my phone for listening practice when I'm out of the house?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 14:08:23 2017 No.16909897 >>16909874 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_VsDpxE1hI

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 14:09:36 2017 No.16909906 Anyone got a link to the Genki answer keys that aren't the poorly photographed version?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 14:15:29 2017 No.16909937 File: 1006 B, 334x78, reading teaches __NOTHING__.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If you have studied less than 1k cards today you really have to ask yourself if you belong on the /DailyAnkidroneGeneral/

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 14:22:03 2017 No.16909964 >>16909937 i don't think that's even conducive to your learning

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 14:25:00 2017 No.16909973 >>16909897 I'd rather not fall asleep in the process

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 14:30:51 2017 No.16909992 you know whats dope as hell reinforcing functional japanese through normal people videogames and media as opposed to fake fantasy hentai porno games and double spaced pretentious teenage drivel aka light novellas

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 14:32:56 2017 No.16909997 >>16909992 You know what would be even doper? If you stopped shitposting and actually tried to learn japanese instead of judging other people who are ultimately a lot better than you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 14:34:22 2017 No.16910004 >>16909997 alot of assumptions there squiddo but dont worry ill help you out with yotsubato and hanahira later (because those are the only things i know)

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 14:45:38 2017 No.16910044 Is it weird that I stopped doing anki but I still mine the new words I find regardless

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 14:48:27 2017 No.16910060 >>16910044 >is it weird that I do something that doesn't achieve anything Yes?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 14:57:14 2017 No.16910101 >>16910060 I see, thanks

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 15:24:20 2017 No.16910255 >>16909100 You fucking spoilered me right there.. Reading it right now..

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 15:30:23 2017 No.16910282 File: 797 KB, 800x600, a_cs02.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16910255 It's just a CG. That's like saying pic related spoils FSN.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 15:53:32 2017 No.16910410 >>16909897 Holy fuck, I love this channel already.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 16:35:23 2017 No.16910597 Anybody have the epub or azw3 files for 銀河英雄伝説?

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 16:41:11 2017 No.16910627

>>16910597
It appears to be free on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E9%8A%80%E6%B2%B3%E8%8B%B1%E9%9B%84%E4%BC%9D%E8%AA%AC%EF%BC%91-%E9%BB%8E%E6%98%8E%E7%AF%87-%E3%82%89%E3%81%84%E3%81%A8%E3%81%99%E3%81%9F%E3%81%A3%E3%81%B5%E6%96%87%E5%BA%AB-%E7%94%B0%E4%B8%AD%E8%8A%B3%E6%A8%B9-ebook/dp/B00NQB0KLE

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 16:54:32 2017 No.16910710 >>16910627 Seems to only offer a sample unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 16:57:38 2017 No.16910732 >>16910710 ７００えんならかえば？ 2食くらい抜けば買えるっしょ

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 16:59:19 2017 No.16910741 >>16910732 I'd have to buy 10 volumes for the full series.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 17:13:40 2017 No.16910860 >>16910741 じゃあ１０かかん朝ごはんだけでいけばいいじゃないひるばん抜きでもやせるだけでしょ？

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 17:36:20 2017 No.16911004 I'm taking a mentor course. Fuck this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 17:39:05 2017 No.16911013 >>16911004 <sounds of being pleasured by a tutor>

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 17:49:34 2017 No.16911058 >>16911004 You can't learn japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 17:55:08 2017 No.16911081 >>16911058 I'm just retarded and need an adult.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 18:13:15 2017 No.16911136 >A character dialogue written in hiragana while another written in katakana Why would you do this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 18:14:26 2017 No.16911142 >>16911136 It's good language.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 18:19:01 2017 No.16911159 >>16911136 YES, HUMAN, YOUR ORTHODOX CONFUSIONS AMUSE ME

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 18:22:02 2017 No.16911174 >>16911136 One of them is an inhuman entity, the katakana is used to put emphasis on that

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 18:26:02 2017 No.16911189 >>16911136 >character's dialogue is written half-width katakana ｺﾛｼﾃｸﾀﾞｻｲ

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 18:28:16 2017 No.16911196 >>16911174 I seem to remember in jpod101 they once mentioned that sometimes foreigners speak in katakana on TV subtitles in dramas and stuff. Never seen it myself though

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 18:29:27 2017 No.16911200 >>16911189 ﾊﾝｶｸｶﾅﾊｱﾏﾘﾂｶﾜﾅｲﾎｳｶﾞｲｲ

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 18:34:57 2017 No.16911221 File: 269 KB, 848x1200, Fullmetal Alchemist-08-105.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16911196 Probably pitch accents or something. See pic related, the guy ends every single sentence with katakana since he's a foreigner

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 18:38:10 2017 No.16911240 File: 107 KB, 392x416, [HorribleSubs]-Time-Bokan-24---09-[720p].mkv_snapshot_14.45_[2016.11.27_09.07.36].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16911189 >>16911200

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 18:38:30 2017 No.16911243 >>16907452 If you're so annoyed about nuances and it matters so much to you, then why don't you just make cards with J-J definitions? Compare 期待 vs 予期 vs 予想

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 18:41:09 2017 No.16911255 >>16903685 strong laddies.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 18:54:54 2017 No.16911323 >>16909937 Define Ankidrone

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 19:06:53 2017 No.16911383 File: 194 KB, 508x602, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] バンザアアアアアアイ！！！

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 19:11:11 2017 No.16911397 >>16911383 the first and not the last time you obliterate the audio from a card

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 19:11:16 2017 No.16911398 >>16911383 それはガッツポーズだよばんざいはちょっとちがう

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 19:43:17 2017 No.16911570 >>16911383 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV3ZWMlYZl8

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 20:24:52 2017 No.16911710 >>16911383 i love this guy's voice, i don't know why.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 20:32:10 2017 No.16911738 >>16911383 Core is so nostalgic nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 21:12:05 2017 No.16911900 >>16911221 >>16911174 Okay

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 21:17:06 2017 No.16911923 How many hours do you guys read a day? Just went 5 hours and 30 minutes here, and yesterday I did 5 hours and 20 minutes. I think this makes me better than most of you guys who will probably give up in a few months.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 21:20:56 2017 No.16911939 >>16911923 20 minutes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 21:21:46 2017 No.16911946 >>16911923 I'm going slow and steady

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 21:22:58 2017 No.16911952 >>16911923 Probably around 2-4 hours, if manga counts as reading

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 21:24:16 2017 No.16911960
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>>16911923
>implying I read at all
>implying I practice Japanese
>implying I'm not just here to shitpost and tell myself "yeah I could learn Japanese if I put in the effort"

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 21:24:46 2017 No.16911963 Why is the author of KanjiDamage such a SJW nigger?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 21:25:06 2017 No.16911967 >>16911960 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 21:26:08 2017 No.16911976 >>16911967 Myself

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 21:26:44 2017 No.16911981 >>16911939 That's better than not reading at all. >>16911946 That is good too. I wish I had that kind of patience. >>16911952 It does, better than not reading at all. Good on all three of you. Keep at it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 21:27:31 2017 No.16911987 >>16911923 I read for like 30 minutes in bed because it bores me to sleep.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 21:33:59 2017 No.16912014 >>16911939 Same. Sometimes a little more when I pick up something interesting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 21:35:22 2017 No.16912021 >>16911923 I haven't read for months

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 21:40:23 2017 No.16912041 >>16912021 How's N5?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 21:53:47 2017 No.16912073 >>16911981 I don't really see it as a matter of patience. I just do this because I like learning japanese. If I go at a faster pace it makes it less fun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 22:04:32 2017 No.16912114 >>16911923 2 chapters of manga after anki and vn after dinner it try and hit 20 new words mined, its getting harder on flyable heart so its up to an hour and a half every day

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 22:07:49 2017 No.16912124 >>16912041 More like N2. I have nothing interesting to read so I'm just playing games and watching anime

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 22:10:23 2017 No.16912130 >>16912124 have you tried reading real books

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 22:29:42 2017 No.16912181 >>16912130 When will you fuck off from these threads?

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 22:36:30 2017 No.16912205

>>16912181

What? I mean shit like novels. If he's bored with manga and the like then he should read a book. I'm struggling through ＮＨＫにようこそ right now (even though its more of a LN) and its a lot different from manga. In some ways it is harder and in some ways easier to read than manga.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 22:47:40 2017 No.16912247 I am thinking of watching some anime/tv shows to try and see how much I know/learn how people would actually speak nip. Any suggestions for stuff to watch/things to avoid for this purpose.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 23:00:24 2017 No.16912300 I have trouble recognizing most Kanji outside of Anki. This is really bad. I hope it's only because the font is smaller. Has this happened to anyone else when first starting out?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 23:03:29 2017 No.16912305 >>16912300 completely normal

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 23:04:29 2017 No.16912307

>>16912300
Yes. I don't know how far you're into Anki but I only started to really notice 6 months out I guess. I'm coming up on my 10th soon and I've experience an incredible amount of growth, including noticing Kanji outside of Anki, even in different fonts.

>>16912181
Grow up """"N2"""""

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 23:31:00 2017 No.16912418 File: 1.83 MB, 500x281, nakaoakira.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Sun Apr 23 23:31:11 2017 No.16912419
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>>16912300
Fonts will fuck you up. I spent 20 minutes the other night trying to figure out what the fuck pic related was. Turns out it's そ.

Try some radical study. Shit gets a bit easier to read (and look up) if you can identify the radicals involved.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 23:34:09 2017 No.16912433 おなかすいたーこんにゃくばたけたべたい

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 23:37:15 2017 No.16912441 >>16911710 The woman's voice gets a little too manly sometimes

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 23 23:49:22 2017 No.16912492 Anyone know how to pick up on casual usage of the language? Typing sentences and shit is swell and all but translating that to actual speech makes me sound like a robot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 00:05:46 2017 No.16912550 >>16912492 Watch anime

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 01:04:51 2017 No.16912735 や・・・日本武尊

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 01:08:53 2017 No.16912750
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>>16902927
Any kanji pros about?
In need of words which contain any of the following kanji, with the caveat that they cannot be names.
俱劉吞堯塙宕崚徠恢惺昊晄晟椛湘湊滉焰珂瑳
禱繡舜萊蔣諏蹟祁鷗亞衞谒緣橫溫祸壞渴卷陷
寬僞虛狹勳薰惠揭擊儉險圈檢顯驗嚴恆黃碎雜
兒濕收縱緖敍涉獎狀淨剩釀寢愼粹醉瀨攝纖壯
爭莊搜巢增卽滯彈廳徵鎭傳德拔晚祕拂步每默
搖謠賴綠淚壘曆歷鍊郞錄

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 01:13:56 2017 No.16912758 >>16912433 こんにゃくいないけど、豚汁の食い残しはどうだ

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 01:16:10 2017 No.16912766 >>16912492 より読みなボケ

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 01:17:36 2017 No.16912767 >>16912758 >いない

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 01:19:11 2017 No.16912772 >>16912767 yeah just noticed, habit

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 01:21:27 2017 No.16912779 >>16912772 habit... Are you living with こんにゃく?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 01:23:15 2017 No.16912783 >>16912779 it has enough bacteria on it now i thought it qualified

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 01:36:30 2017 No.16912824 >>16912130 lol angry N2-kun (more like N4-N3 in reality)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 01:59:41 2017 No.16912901 こんにゃくのはいってないとんじるなんてそれはやはりとんじるじゃない？

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 02:04:10 2017 No.16912920 I want to get good at conversation/output. What's the fastest way to find a jap to talk to not by text online, I can't do irl.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 02:08:34 2017 No.16912940

>>16912920
I never understood this. I have never spoken to an English speaker in my whole life. If your output by text is good enough and you are capable of thinking in Japanese speaking should just come come naturally shouldn't it? It's not like Japanese pronunciation is hard or anything. If you can't speak to Japanese in real life you probably don't live in Japan so that also makes me wonder why you feel you have to actually talk to a Jap when any interaction should do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 02:09:09 2017 No.16912943 >>16912920 読み書きできないのに話せる？子供に言葉を教える親のように世間は優しくはないよそこにはお金が必要

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 02:12:11 2017 No.16912956 >>16912940 I want to get confortable talking, before someday hopefully going to Japan. >>16912943 I'm sure there's some bored japanese person out there wanting to get good at english aswell.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 02:14:48 2017 No.16912966 >>16912956 なるほどねスカイプで探せば良いんじゃない？外人と話してみたい人はたくさん居るだろうさ

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 02:19:07 2017 No.16912984 >>16912956 Play Overwatch on Asian servers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 02:20:28 2017 No.16912989 いるけど、時差で時間が合わないんだよ留学してる邦人をさがしたほうがいいんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 02:22:27 2017 No.16912994 スカイプで時差？ご冗談をｗ全員が同じ時間に寝ているわけじゃあるまいし言い訳に過ぎない

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 02:24:19 2017 No.16913002 >>16912943 >読み書きできないのに話せる？ Yep, knew a bunch of ESLs who could actually communicate for the job without knowing how to decently read or write.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 02:30:21 2017 No.16913026 >>16912956 >wanting to get good at english aswell. From you, im certain they're going to get gooderer in no time(´・ω・｀) just use streamlink gui, disable all but nihon flags, get comfortable with a few native streamers and it might lead somewhere

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 02:31:01 2017 No.16913029 >>16912994 時差は重要だよインドネシアとかフィリピンとは時差がほとんどないからけっこーうまくいくよ

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 03:42:40 2017 No.16913260
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So I was starting 装甲悪鬼村正 on the advice of a friend, and I'm going at a decent pace while learning a lot, and then I get to this. What the fuck do I do here. I couldn't find a way to text hook it, nor a could I turn up any website where it's transcribed, though that may just be me being shit at Japanese googling. Apparently it has a lot of stuff like this, should I just give up until I can reasonable do it by eye?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 03:49:23 2017 No.16913268 File: 383 KB, 632x606, ttwn.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] head quartersってどういう意味？

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 03:59:16 2017 No.16913287

>>16913260
嵐の夜に吠え立てる犬は愚かな盗賊と果敢に戦う
温かい巣で親鳥を待つ雛は蛇の腹を寝床に安らぐ
木漏れ日の下で生まれた獅子は幾千の鹿を飽食し
せせらぎを聞く蛙の卵は子供が拾って踏みつぶす
生の意味を信じる物よ道化の真摯な詭弁を聞け
死の恐怖に震える者よ悪魔の仮面は黒塗りの鏡
生命に問いを向けるなら道化と悪魔は匙を持ち
生命を信じ耽溺するなら道化と悪魔は冠を脱ぐ
獣よ踊れ野を馳せよ唄い騒いで猛り駆けめぐれ
いまや如何なる鎖も檻も汝の前には朽ちた土塊

物語・時代の背景、荒れてる感じを書いているんでしょう

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 03:59:57 2017 No.16913290 >>16913268 コインの表

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 04:00:44 2017 No.16913295 >>16913290 余計わからなくなった・・・

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 04:04:59 2017 No.16913310 >>16913295 コインの表に落ちたら火事を起こす組織

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 04:11:18 2017 No.16913322 File: 53 KB, 300x300, coint.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16913310 コインを投げて裏か表か？全然分からない

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 04:12:59 2017 No.16913325 >>16913322 英語で　「表」＝　heads 「コイン」＝ quarter

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 04:16:40 2017 No.16913331 >>16913325 なるほどねその名前の由来までは知ってる人しか分からないと

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 04:33:53 2017 No.16913353 >>16913287 I mean, you're based as fuck, but that doesn't really solve my problem in the long run. This is just the second of I think 4 of these in the first scene.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 04:49:38 2017 No.16913394 えいごでいまだにわからないのが headとheadsはかなり意味がちがうというところです

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 05:02:22 2017 No.16913423 File: 432 KB, 1280x914, 1280.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can anyone help me here? Can't quite figure out what she says after "一緒に"

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 05:03:11 2017 No.16913428 >>16913423 今日寒いから一緒に二度寝しない？

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 05:04:41 2017 No.16913434 >>16913423 She says "yiff in hell".

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 05:08:32 2017 No.16913444 >>16911923 Just to confirm, you've actually read and not watched manga, correct? If so, good job. You can make it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 05:08:44 2017 No.16913445 >>16913434 >hey master today is cold, how about we yiff in hell together Somehow it works

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 05:08:50 2017 No.16913447 ケモナーは業が深い

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 05:22:34 2017 No.16913481 at first i thought たり will be だり after ん but its the verb ending, む im too dumb to work it out, is it something to do with 五段 and 一段 verbs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 05:26:14 2017 No.16913488 僕 is the thinking man's 1st person pronoun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 05:28:58 2017 No.16913495 >>16913488 >not 俺 How to spot a beta faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 05:29:14 2017 No.16913496 >>16913488 The thinking man is a twink

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 05:31:00 2017 No.16913506 Most common reading for 瞬く?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 05:31:11 2017 No.16913507 >>16913488 ボクッ子（女）は許されるけど俺っ子（女）はいないよいないんじゃないかないたとしても小４くらいまでだよ

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 05:31:24 2017 No.16913509 >>16913506 Yes.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 05:33:44 2017 No.16913515

>>16913260
Google to see if you can find a transcript, ask someone every time you see this pop up, try to read it with Kanjitomo, or just struggle thru it and decode the characters one by one by drawing em in google translate and looking em up on Jisho.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 05:35:08 2017 No.16913519 >>16913506 Seems to be まばたく based on my very limited experience.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 05:40:08 2017 No.16913534 >>16913434 yiffって語源なに？せんせいおしえて

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 06:06:58 2017 No.16913602 >>16913534 Roleplay somewhere else you sad cunt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 08:04:34 2017 No.16913916 Is there a Chrome equivalent for the clipboard inserter?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 08:06:14 2017 No.16913919 File: 45 KB, 523x494, .png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16913506 P for Popular?

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 08:29:28 2017 No.16913990

Question from a complete beginner:
How important is it to understand grammar? If I was intending to only read japanese, how would grammar benefit me? As I imagine it, simply understanding the words would let me understand the sentence, regardless of the sentence structure, assuming it's not vastly different to English. Is this incorrect?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 08:30:04 2017 No.16913995 >>16913990 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 08:30:58 2017 No.16913999 >>16913990 >simply understanding the words would let me understand the sentence You'd know this is wrong if you ever learned any other language or even bothered thinking about it a bit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 08:33:05 2017 No.16914011 File: 134 KB, 340x340, 1448058718637.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16913990 >assuming it's not vastly different to English

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 08:34:39 2017 No.16914017 >>16913990 take an english sentence and take out the grammar, see if you can understand it

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 08:36:25 2017 No.16914022 File: 33 KB, 406x333, yomichan.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16913919 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 08:44:22 2017 No.16914055 File: 297 KB, 1043x1600, 1469002115720.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone read No Longer Human in the original? How long would it take to understand it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 08:54:08 2017 No.16914083 >>16914055 Between now and forever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 08:56:33 2017 No.16914095 >>16914055 If you can read eroge fluently you won't have trouble with it either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 09:37:19 2017 No.16914218 >>16914017 sentence grammar take understand english out see you an and the if can it take That doesn't sound so bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 09:41:39 2017 No.16914229 >>16914095 >people always say eroge is the pinnacle of easiness >pick up taimanin asagi >tons of government terms along with political terms and position names like minister of some shit t-thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 09:47:53 2017 No.16914247 File: 185 KB, 1920x1080, interdasting.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16914229 its almost like they're part of the language

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 09:49:33 2017 No.16914253 >>16914229 >people always say eroge is the pinnacle of easiness No one has ever said that. Eroge writers are generally more obtuse and harder to read than normal book writers. Of course the stuff talked about in djt is gonna be easy.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 10:02:27 2017 No.16914299

>>16913990
Understanding grammar is important because you need to be able to get where words start and end because there are so many hiragana words. The issue is all the grammar guides I've looked at kind of suck at explaining things, either going in to too much detail or not enough.

The important things I'd stress to a total newbie are that verbs and adjectives tend to have an okurigana, which are hiragana attached to kanji, like 大きい (big) or 見る (see). Those are important because you use those to change the meaning of the word, like 大こない meaning "not big" or 見ない meaning "not see" or 見せる meaning "to show". Similarly, words ending with okurigana ending in a る or other う sound tend to be verbs and words ending in い are probably adjectives. That stuff is important and you want to be aware of it going in to vocabulary study, or else may start reading up on grammar and realize there was a whole aspect of study you were missing out on.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 10:04:59 2017 No.16914312

>>16913990
Look I learned 5k words from core without doing more than maybe 5 hours of grammar study and I could not understand shit unless it was a short sentence and context made it obvious. Now the upside is that when I learned a bit of grammar the words I used became insanely useful, but you need some amount of balance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 10:08:17 2017 No.16914322 >万引き(まんびき) - shoplifting, shoplifter So, if you pull 10.000, you're a shoplifter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 10:28:23 2017 No.16914432 >>16914229 Why are you reading エロゲ if you don't get off on the convoluted plot?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 10:29:41 2017 No.16914440 >>16913990 Is this a joke? I find it hard to believe someone would be this foolish.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 10:35:22 2017 No.16914473 >低賃金、劣悪な労働条件、一方的な首切りなどの経済・労働問題はもとより、各種の人道的問題までも引き起こしている。 What's the function of the ・ in the middle of 経済 and 労働問題?

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 10:35:57 2017 No.16914474

I love learning languages, but vocab is always the hardest part for me, so in Kanji ever my worst nightmare. Is there a method or trick to help me with it? I've left it and come back multiple times, but the whole "one character is one word thing" just makes the language way more difficult than phonetic ones.

What pisses me off about it is that the language could totally be phonetic and not suffer at all. They had no reason to implement Kanji, unlike Chinese. Yeah, I know the history behind how they came to use it and stuff, but it would be way easier to learn if it was phonetic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 10:36:42 2017 No.16914479 >>16914473 経済問題労働問題

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 10:38:19 2017 No.16914489 >>16914479 Ah, cheers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 10:44:38 2017 No.16914515 >>16914095 Oh I see, so it's not very hard to read. For some reason I assumed it had difficult writing.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 11:11:25 2017 No.16914673

>>16914474
>it would be way easier to learn if it was phonetic
Not true at all. Learning Kanji is easy with spaced repetition no matter how you do it and Kanji give vital clues about what word is actually meant. With the limited amount of sounds there are in Japanese there are quite a few homophones. Kanji helps out. Sentences would also be harder to read because it gets more challenging to figure out where a word start and where it ends.
You don't even need any special method, just stop complaining and start studying. I'm probably replying to come copypaste, thinking about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 11:14:57 2017 No.16914689 File: 87 KB, 1235x456, 1492958165598.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Has anyone of you guys travelled to Japan by himself and not ended up like this guy? Any advice? I'm German and autistic too

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 11:15:30 2017 No.16914691 >>16914673 its so perfectly constructed (You) bait its pretty embarrassing to reply to it

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 11:16:31 2017 No.16914698 >>16914673 Yeah, that's true. Never thought about that. Guess there's no away just crunching it. And no, it's not pasta. Thanks for replying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 11:16:45 2017 No.16914700 >>16914689 Go to /int/. This thread is learning Japanese for the sole purpose of consuming media.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 11:37:34 2017 No.16914806 File: 126 KB, 816x624, 731ab991eae5fbd4eda9e4d89d3d0cb7179e83abeb2236eb37fb59ecd394d4b5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 11:39:59 2017 No.16914824 File: 176 KB, 1129x1104, M.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Rosetta Stone is pretty fun as a beginner.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:00:21 2017 No.16914950 If you use hebpurn you're never going to learn japanese. Nihon siki is the only true romanization system.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:06:42 2017 No.16914987 >>16914950 Real men use Learner's Romaji.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:09:40 2017 No.16915003 /r/ing the germanball frustrated about learning japanese: the pic, for motivation purposes

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:11:31 2017 No.16915018 >>16915003 >>16909415

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:54:29 2017 No.16915285 I have to run my chrome browser at 175% zoom to read kanji, and I'm farsighted with nearly perfect vision. How the fuck does everyone do this? Does everyone just use binoculars or what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 12:55:31 2017 No.16915293 >>16915285 Read more. You'll start seeing the general shape and not needing to make out the radicals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 13:05:44 2017 No.16915336 >>16915285 Make a screenshot of how it normally looks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 13:08:27 2017 No.16915348 File: 3 KB, 136x68, letters small.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16915285

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 13:15:06 2017 No.16915381 >>16915285 You're just bad, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 13:16:42 2017 No.16915392 >>16915348 目が。。　いた

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 13:35:27 2017 No.16915465 please don't ban, this post is a linguistic experiment >>16915348 Can you raed tihs? It's amlsot ipmssolbe to mkae out idnviudal lteters wehn the txet is tihs samll, but semotmies it's sitll raedble for an exepirneced Egnilsh raeder.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 13:42:45 2017 No.16915501 >>16915285 Read more. Zoom back out once you figure out what a word is so you get used to seeing it small.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:29:52 2017 No.16915644 File: 84 KB, 230x666, tk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I don't get it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:33:01 2017 No.16915653 >>16915644 Gotta use the Japanesiest characters to get the most japanified words

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:35:27 2017 No.16915666 any tutorials for parsing a visual novel script for vocabulary and turning it into an anki deck?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:37:10 2017 No.16915674 File: 68 KB, 768x768, 1441912349516.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16914950 >romanizing at all

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:37:44 2017 No.16915675 >>16915644 Probably because you use romanji

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:38:17 2017 No.16915676 >>16915666 Set up ITH + Rikaisama Auto Importer. Go through the VN manually parsing it and adding words to Anki. By the time you have finished parsing you will have an Anki deck and you will have read a visual novel.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:41:03 2017 No.16915689 File: 124 KB, 590x333, 1361575970153.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >he doesn't exclusively use historical kana orthography ばくしやう

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:41:25 2017 No.16915690 >>16915666 I haven't written such a thing but I happen to be an expert on this topic. https://tlwiki.org/?title=Tools Take something here to rip the script then either mine it manually or feed it to an analyzer.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:42:11 2017 No.16915696

>>16915644
Nuances in writing and pronunciation can change the meaning of a word, which might be imperceptible or wrong through very flawed romanization methods.

病院 = びょういん - byouin
美容院 = びよういん - biyouin

One of them is a hospital, the other is a beauty salon.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:44:17 2017 No.16915701

>>16915653
Seems like a silly way to try and show that.

>>16915675
Not at all, but "romanji" is wrong and it is not the fault of romanized Japanese that the dude arbitrarily makes up words.
It's like if he asks why she is learning "Hirangana" and she will correct him, saying it's ひらがな. It just doesn't really make sense.

>>16915696
I agree with that but I don't feel that is the message the comic gives.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:44:38 2017 No.16915704 >>16915696 I don't think you get it either, anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:44:46 2017 No.16915705 >女子が無制限にわらわら湧いてれば、私でなくたって…… I cant understand the last part. たって is the "even" but I don't see the meaning or implication of でなく

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:47:24 2017 No.16915714 >>16915666 I don't know which tools specifically, but I'm pretty sure you can use these https://sourceforge.net/u/cb4960/profile/ to do just that

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:48:46 2017 No.16915723 >>16915714 Bad idea, these use a low quality morphological analyzer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:50:15 2017 No.16915729 >>16915704 Yeah, I probably made more a case for why Kanji is necessary instead of why romanization is not the way to go. A better example would have been to list all the different words with "kiru" or "kuro" readings.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:50:50 2017 No.16915733

Is there a way to add furigana onto webpages with Japanese?

I want to switch my language on Facebook to Japanese but I know I'm going to struggle with the kanji and I don't want to have to go to Google Translate every time I see kanji I'm unfamiliar with. I have the Furigana Inserter addon via Firefox but that shit don't work. It apparently worked years ago but as far as I know it hasn't been updated since.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:52:28 2017 No.16915740 >>16915733 Try learning the words. Facebook isn't exactly classic high class literature.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:52:53 2017 No.16915743 >>16915733 Do you have Rikaisama? If not, get it. Anything that automatically adds furigana will have so many errors that it isn't even worth using.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:53:15 2017 No.16915744 >>16915733 Couldn't you just use rikai anyway?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:54:19 2017 No.16915750 >>16915733 >facebook You know how I know you're new?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 14:59:21 2017 No.16915780 >>16915705 >私でなくたって私でない is a negative statement, "is not me," and then たって attaches to the 連用形なく to give an "even if..." meaning. Altogether, it means something similar to 私じゃなくても, 私じゃないとしても.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 15:25:04 2017 No.16915878 I want to write "Will X eventually come to Y?" in polite speech. Does the following work, if not what's the best way? ｘいつかｙに来ることなりますか？

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 15:59:23 2017 No.16916037
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I can't seem to get audio and video to show up in subs2srs made flashcards. The import works fine and I can see that the files get properly made but Anki doesn't seem to want to play the video and audio. Anyone got an idea what I might have done wrong? It's not the styling, video and audio are on the back as they should be.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 16:12:39 2017 No.16916106

>>16916037
Alright I did a stupid mistake, I just had to move the media files manually into the Anki media folder so that is solved. I still can't seem to properly play videos however. Anki seems to attempt to open a separate video player and it closes before I can even see the video.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 16:14:00 2017 No.16916116 >>16916037 >>16916106 That's what happens when you try to be a fancy ass and add videos into your cards for no good reason.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 16:26:42 2017 No.16916179
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>>16916116
I believe having audio and video will make whatever flashcard I review that much more memorable.

It seems I can play video properly now on my phone but there has to be a way to embed the video player inside Anki right? Please help.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 16:50:54 2017 No.16916301 >>16916037 What the fuck is this setup? Seems like a waste of time to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 16:53:24 2017 No.16916316 >>16916179 How long does it take you to add a video for each card?

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 16:55:01 2017 No.16916326
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>>16916037
>>16916106
>>16916179
It seems Anki uses this video player that I have seen popping in and out but there is no section about my issue, namely that it doesn't stay within Anki and just awkwardly starts and disappears in the backgrounds playing a 2 second clip.

>>16916301
Well, in Anime you have a near infinite source of translated audio and video material. Why not use it for flashcards? The only issue I still have is playing video inside Anki which this mplayer is supposed to do. But obviously there is some kind of issue with video playback.

>>16916316
The only thing I do is put the English and Japanese subtitle (might have to point sync them first) into sub2srs and it automatically creates flashcards with video, audio and the translation. You can see it in the first screenshot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 16:55:44 2017 No.16916329 >>16916179 at the end of the day you save a lot more time using pre made decks

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 16:56:56 2017 No.16916334 >>16916179 How does it feel to never be able to learn Japanese?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 16:57:27 2017 No.16916338 >>16916329 Where can you find premade decks based on anime with audio and video? Or even more specific, the anime I'm currently watching. This is just dumb. It takes no time to make these cards. >>16916334 I don't know. How does it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 16:58:20 2017 No.16916343 http://www.geocities.jp/f9305710/henkanji.html Why?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:23:02 2017 No.16916447 >>16916179 おにいちゃんも先に出た

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:30:04 2017 No.16916478

>>16916326
If you could isolate a single word as the front of the card then sub2srs cards would probably be worthwhile, but when you memorise a whole sentence you'll end up just using other parts of the sentence as a cue and the words which you wanted to learn often won't come to you when you need them in a new context.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:33:12 2017 No.16916498

>>16916478
I'm not memorizing sentences. subs2srs lets you import hundreds of sentences at once. I'm just doing it with one sentence right now to try to get it working. I'm just going to do it with gif and audio now but the basic principle is simply that I put in sentences I previously did not understand or had some grammatical structure that was new to me and simply see and read it in full Japanese on the front and if I understood it I press good, no memorizing just comprehension. The English on the back is merely to control myself.
I find it astonishing people here miss the concept of subs2srs so badly.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:46:43 2017 No.16916571
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Quick question, what's おイモのハンコ?

I'm guessing はんこ　is 判子 but I can't find the meaning of イモ

Context is that Fuuka is asking how Ena made an elaborate postcard and her response is to the left

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:47:56 2017 No.16916577 >>16916571 imouto :^)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:48:31 2017 No.16916583 >>16916571 http://jisho.org/

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:48:47 2017 No.16916586 >>16916571 >イモのハンコ look it up in google.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:51:47 2017 No.16916607 >>16916583 >>16916586 Did that for at least 10 min before I posted here. Funny that the thought of answering answering a simple question triggers you so badly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:53:04 2017 No.16916616 >>16916607 No you didn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:54:02 2017 No.16916622 File: 4 KB, 403x195, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16916607

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:54:55 2017 No.16916623 File: 41 KB, 570x400, POTATO_PRINT_IDEAS_4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16916571 芋 she's talking about cutting a potato into the shape of a stamp

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:55:24 2017 No.16916624

japanesedecks dot blogspot dot jp

Since we are talking about subs2srs, this site has a bunch of premade decks for it.

I'm not sure what my strategy would be for sub2srs deck. I know one guy who was using it a lot for French and Spanish and I think he said he deleted 90% of the cards and only kept them if they were interesting. That seems like a good strategy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 17:55:47 2017 No.16916628 >>16916623 Wrong. Don't believe this post, he's trying to fuck up your learning.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 18:00:27 2017 No.16916660

>>16916498
Anki is for memorisation, right? You use it to associate the information on the front of the card with an answer on the back. This is elementary shit.
Your brain will use any information it can find on the front of that card to link it with what is on the back, there's nothing you can do to stop it. If there's sentences on the front of your cards, (and you are trying to recall what's on the back when you review them like you're supposed to) then you are memorising sentences, there's no question about it. With the back of the card you can pick and choose what you pay attention to to some extent, but with the front integrity really matters, there's no way around it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 18:11:17 2017 No.16916695 File: 277 KB, 640x480, イモ版.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16916571 芋の版画（はんが）のことでしょう。日本では小学校や幼稚園で習うことがあるよ。 >>16916628 やめなさい

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 18:56:18 2017 No.16916812 i am never going to be able to read japanese without furigana but i am okay with that

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 19:05:55 2017 No.16916848 How useful is the sound in the Core decks?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 19:07:41 2017 No.16916854 >>16916326 Honestly, though, you'd be better off just watching Japanese Teletubbies than adding videos to super basic stuff like that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BtP1EfGLVo

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 19:08:07 2017 No.16916855 >>16916848 It's pretty nice if you wanna learn, you know, pitch accent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 19:09:17 2017 No.16916858 >>16916848 An invaluable asset. You're pronouncing everything wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 19:11:36 2017 No.16916873 >>16916855 Fair enough. >>16916858 I'm not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 19:18:24 2017 No.16916901 >>16916855 KIIRU

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 19:20:27 2017 No.16916911 >>16916901 Why exactly does it sound like that? Did the woman just turn 80 years old all of a sudden?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 19:25:41 2017 No.16916927 >>16916911 probably from an anime or something but I'm not a stupid weeb so I don't get the reference

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 19:49:29 2017 No.16917046 >>16914218 english sentence take out grammar see understand

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 19:50:45 2017 No.16917051 >>16917046 that's grammatical though it's just lacking the necessary punctuation English sentence. Take out grammar. See? Understand?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 19:52:12 2017 No.16917060 >>16912419 >I spent 20 minutes the other night trying to figure out what the fuck pic related was. Are you stupid? Good luck reading any actual handwriting, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 21:22:41 2017 No.16917379 >>16917051 That's still grammatical. Saying English Sentence is in the correct grammatical order. Try Sentence English.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 21:28:33 2017 No.16917402 >>16917379 I was merely demonstrating

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 21:28:35 2017 No.16917403
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Is 中出しの喜び really correct? I'm not outright asking for a translation I'm seriously trying to understand.

Shouldn't it 中出されるの喜び or something? Maybe 中出されの喜び maybe. The point is, shouldn't it be on the passive form for "the pleasure of being cummed inside"?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 21:29:19 2017 No.16917408 >>16917403 Japanese has an animacy hierarchy so the valency of relative verbs doesn't actually matter that much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 21:37:53 2017 No.16917438 >>16917408 I have no idea what you are saying so I'll just go with "It could be the way you said but it doesn't actually matter."

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 21:38:08 2017 No.16917441 >>16917403 >中出しの喜び This is not wrong. 中出し is a active voice and passive voice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 21:43:37 2017 No.16917462 >>16917441 >中出し is a active voice and passive voice. How? I thought 出し was simply the masu stem of 出す which means it's the noun form of it. Are you saying that if I nominalize a verb, then it can act as both active and passive?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 21:57:22 2017 No.16917516 >>16917462 You can't separate 中出し. >Are you saying that if I nominalize a verb, then it can act as both active and passive? There are cases like that but, you have to memorize 中出し as special case.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:01:07 2017 No.16917530 >>16917462 Isn't it the same way in English? >Being beat felt good. >The beating felt good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:11:45 2017 No.16917563 When you're reading something, when do you know it's time to move on to something harder?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:11:48 2017 No.16917565 >>16917516 >you have to memorize 中出し as special case. Alright, I can accept that. Thanks familia. >>16917530 There is still some loss of information there but I guess that is often the case since Japanese is so dependent on context.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:14:23 2017 No.16917582 >>16917516 >>16917530 Oh, so basically 中出し mean both >being cummed inside felt good and >cumming inside felt good by using the same exact sentence and context changing the meaning (中出し being either passive or active voice)?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:15:15 2017 No.16917587 >>16917582 It's voiceless.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:20:49 2017 No.16917612 >>16917587 Aren't all nouns voiceless? My synagogue visit to kike kim didn't teach me this

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:21:44 2017 No.16917616 >>16917582 >中出しの喜び In this case 中出し is noun form. And 中出し is a active voice and passive voice. You can't separet because It's noun form.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:22:28 2017 No.16917617 >>16917612 Verbs can have a voice before being turned into a noun. In this case there's no voice before being turned into a noun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:22:31 2017 No.16917619 >>16917563 If you're enjoying it, when you've finished it. If not, then now is the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:30:46 2017 No.16917659 >>16913990 This is a good post.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:39:22 2017 No.16917683
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>>16917403
中出し is NOT 中出す conjugated. 中出し is it's own word (noun/suru verb) while 中出す doesn't exist.

So if anyone is still in doubt, just consider that 中出し is the actual un-conjugated noun and not a verb. Then there should be no issues.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:40:25 2017 No.16917687 >>16917683 it's 中+出し(出す). Yes, there is conjugation going on here. And you're an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:43:36 2017 No.16917699 File: 22 KB, 702x221, chrome_2017-04-24_23-41-53.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16917687 Maybe once upon a time, but not anymore. It is it's own word now. Fight me.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:45:02 2017 No.16917708

>>16917699
Not "once upon a time", literally right now. There is nothing remotely morphologically strange about nominalizing a verb, making a compound noun out of the nominalized verb, and then turning that compound noun back into a verb. The nature of 中出し is exactly as I just stated, and you have literally no idea how grammar works.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:47:30 2017 No.16917712 >>16917708 Find me an instance where 中出す is actually used. Or any conjugation resulting from it and not 中出し or 中出し+する and I'll go away.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:47:45 2017 No.16917713 >>16917699 the fact that you bothered to take a screenshot of jisho for a word everyone knows only makes you an idiot

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:48:35 2017 No.16917717 >>16917712 There's no such thing as 中出す. I never said there was. >>16917403 didn't imply it either. You're implicitly assuming that people think it would be conjugated to し after it was compounded. This is not the case.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:53:55 2017 No.16917735

>>16917717
>There's no such thing as 中出す. I never said there was.
Then there is no problem here and you are actually agreeing with me, you are just very angry about doing so.

> >>16917403 didn't imply it either.
He is making conjugations going from 中出す as a starting point, so of course he is implying it's a thing.

>>16917713
It's 2017. Took me 3 buttons pressed to take, save and crop that picture in less than 5 seconds. In fact, you took way longer bothering to write your post than I did with that picture.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:56:11 2017 No.16917742

>>16917735
>Then there is no problem here and you are actually agreeing with me

Me: "中出し isn't its own word, it's made of 中+出し" >>16917687
You: "Nuh uh, it's not 中出す" >>16917699 >>16917712

>He is making conjugations going from 中出す as a starting point, so of course he is implying it's a thing.
He never stated that, and entire phrases in japanese can be conjugated anyway, not just dictionary verbs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:58:24 2017 No.16917751 >>16917735 >you are just very angry about doing so it's more like you're a fucking idiot and seeing you try to help people that already got their help is a pain in the ass

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 22:59:43 2017 No.16917756 >>16917735 Don't worry about this, you're just arguing with monkeys

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:00:21 2017 No.16917758

>>16917712
>Find me an instance where 中出す is actually used. Or any conjugation resulting from it and not 中出し or 中出し+する and I'll go away.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22%E4%B8%AD%E5%87%BA%E3%81%95%E3%82%8C%E3%82%8B%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
>>16917756
Why are you responding to yourself?

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:02:19 2017 No.16917768

>>16917742
>中出し isn't its own word, it's made of 中+出し
I see now. So you are one of those people that go "without isn't actually it's own word, it's with+out :^)".

Well fact is, 中出し is a thing by itself and people should not think of it like 中+出す(then conjugated to し) because it's not. If they do that, then they might assume they just conjugate 出す if they ever need to work on it, which goes to bad shit because it's actually a する verb. Just like >>16917403 did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:03:25 2017 No.16917774 Is "The weight of judgment is a necessity Especially for sinful wandering souls" a good translation? Is there a better word for 重し? Burden?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:04:55 2017 No.16917782 File: 57 KB, 480x272, 2017-04-24 16-13-24.mp4_snapshot_01.27_[2017.04.24_20.01.18].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16917774 oops, pic related.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:05:05 2017 No.16917783 >>16917768 I agree with this nigga desu

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:05:08 2017 No.16917784

>>16917768
>I see now. So you are one of those people that go "without isn't actually it's own word, it's with+out :^)".
Without is its own word. 中出し isn't. 中出し is much like ordinary phrasal verbs from english like "put out". There's a very big difference, and strawmanning doesn't get you anything.

>Well fact is, 中出し is a thing by itself and people should not think of it like 中+出す(then conjugated to し) because it's not.
Yes, 中出し is a phrase that acts as a suru verb. It's also the completely valid masu stem of 中出す, which is a perfectly valid ordinary japanese phrase, just not a word in its own right because it's not a word of its own, it's a phrase/compound that continues to grammatically act like one, and is not fossilized as 中出し at all as is evidenced by literally any google search you could have thought of to double check your understanding of the situation: >>16917758

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:05:38 2017 No.16917787 >>16917783 Why are you responding to yourself?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:08:37 2017 No.16917803 >>16917768 >中+出す(then conjugated to し) he never said that >中+出し(出す)

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:10:22 2017 No.16917811

>>16917784
>There's no such thing as 中出す. I never said there was.
Man are you the same person? If yes then make up your mind.

>>16917803
I never said he did, I said if people do that they end up like >>16917403 which, in case you don't realize, is the person who started all of this. If that person had not done that he wouldn't have been in doubt in the first place.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:11:56 2017 No.16917815

>>16915743
>>16915744
I'd been using it for a few hours now and I'm in love with it.

>>16915750
Yeah you're right how stupid of me to use Facebook to communicate with Japanese friends and follow pages in Japanese. Using Facebook in Japanese won't help me become more familiar with kanji or vocabulary so I'm just wasting my time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:11:58 2017 No.16917816 >>16917811 This might surprise you but when you get responses that say different things that kind of implies that they're from different people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:13:07 2017 No.16917825 >>16917811 You are arguing with monkeys. 安心しろ

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:13:19 2017 No.16917828

>>16917811
>I never said he did, I said if people do that they end up like >>16917403 which, in case you don't realize, is the person who started all of this. If that person had not done that he wouldn't have been in doubt in the first place.
That person never assumed that in the first place. You just assumed they did. Which is patronizing and toxic, especially because you discredited the other people that helped them. In short: fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:13:49 2017 No.16917829 >>16917825 Why are you responding to yourself?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:15:00 2017 No.16917835 >>16917816 And thats why the post worked based on IF's. I was unsure if it was the same person. Maybe you didn't read it though, you just hurried to shit flinging. Good going.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:15:41 2017 No.16917837

>>16917060
That was why I couldn't see it. I couldn't imagine writing そ using two strokes, and my focus was on the top z instead of the lower section. So yeah, I'm sure I'll have the same issue reading handwriting. At least I'm aware that most of the time they turn the squares in to circles.

Point still is fonts will mess you up if you haven't been looking at them and you aren't aware of what the critical aspects of any individual character are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:15:57 2017 No.16917839 >>16917835 Yes, your passive aggressive "uncertainty" is truly valid of my intentful consideration.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:17:20 2017 No.16917844 >>16917828 It did not discredited the person who helped him, because the guy who helped him told him it was a special case. That doesn't stop being true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:18:23 2017 No.16917849 >>16917844 Apparently you didn't even keep track of the original conversation, because multiple people responded to explain what was going on, not just you. You're not special.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:18:52 2017 No.16917852 and y'all niggas know of any podcasts or some such with direct .mp3 download pages I could grab for listening practice? I'm going to be offline for like two years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:19:18 2017 No.16917854 >>16917852 I'm not a nigger.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:19:27 2017 No.16917855

>>16917839
>passive aggressive
Now you are just projecting really hard. If you actually stop and read, you'll realize you guys are the ones being aggressive as fuck.

That was a genuine if sentence. In case you were the same person, since we were in the same conversation, then make up your mind.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:21:42 2017 No.16917860

>>16917855
I'm being literally aggressive. You're being passive aggressive. There's a difference. Veiling it and pretending you're acting in good faith when you're defending jumping into something (that you were wrong about) to be a dick is, yes, in fact, bad.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:22:08 2017 No.16917864

>>16917849
>not just you. You're not special.
I just mentioned the post that ended up helping the guy in the end, so clearly I'm not implying it was just me.

This guy posted the help >>16917516 and in response here is the question person >>16917565 being satisfied. I just refereed to this in the post you replied to.

He said it was a special case, and he continues to be right. I did not discredit him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:23:12 2017 No.16917868 What happened to taking it easy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:23:32 2017 No.16917869 >>16917864 Anon. More than one person helped him. There's more people that responded to the original post with valid answers than the one you just quoted.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:26:00 2017 No.16917878 >>16917869 While that is true, the question person quotes 2 posts in his "alright I got it" post. You can assume that those 2 posts were the ones that helped him out and I did not discredit any of them. I agree with them both.

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:27:56 2017 No.16917886

>>16917860
>jumping into something (that you were wrong about) to be a dick
I wasn't wrong about it, and how was that being a dick? I literally said "if anyone is still in doubt, this helps". How on earth is that a person trying to be a dick?

Damn son.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:28:23 2017 No.16917888 >>16917878 Yes, congratulations, you found a way to consider a small number of posts as the ones that helped anon, rather than all of the valid responses, while continuing to post something of your own to help him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:29:21 2017 No.16917891 >>16917886 I see now. So you are one of those people that go "without is actually it's own word, it has nothing to do with "with" or "out" :^)".

Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:30:30 2017 No.16917897

>>16917878
>>16917886
You are currently going off topic to defend yourself against at least two people who thought you were wrong/rude, and haven't conceded on anything you said.

Think about what you're doing. Close your web browser and take a shower or something. This is pathetic. Pride doesn't matter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:42:07 2017 No.16917946 >>16910044 I do the same thing. It's because I tell myself that one day in the future I'm going to start doing Anki again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:46:22 2017 No.16917959 >>16912750 A lot of those are just slight Chinese or kyuujitai variants on common characters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:47:19 2017 No.16917962 File: 33 KB, 618x413, 8748946854.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16917946 >>16910044 Been doing this for a while. At this point all my viewed words are probably up for review at once.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 24 23:57:11 2017 No.16917989 >>16917962 Dude that's fucking weak. I have 13000 mature anki cards and more than 10000 unseen mined cards at this point. I really don't think anyone should stop doing Anki until they've gotten around 10k mature cards.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 00:00:32 2017 No.16917998 >>16917989 I know but reading is so much more fun. Besides you are clearly going at it for waaay longer than me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 00:15:18 2017 No.16918029 Which is the best archival website if, say, I wanted to download a couple hundred DJTs' to keep my company? fuck, just any archive website also c'mon stink niggers I need podcasts and stop leaving your chicken bones on the sidewalk

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 00:16:16 2017 No.16918031 >>16918029 https://github.com/bibanon/BASC-Archiver http://archive.is/ etc

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 00:16:32 2017 No.16918032 >>16918029 I can't even speak english.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 00:17:59 2017 No.16918036 >>16918031 I mean threads that've already happened and are already archived. I'd just use wget or ctrl+s to save them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 00:18:55 2017 No.16918040 >>16918036 First for threads that are still alive on 4chan's site. Second for copying existing archives.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 00:20:39 2017 No.16918042 >>16918040 where are the threads anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 00:21:11 2017 No.16918043 >>16918042 desuarchive and warosu

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 00:21:38 2017 No.16918044 This might be slightly off topic but holy shit sometimes I feel like it's 10x harder to find raw manga than it is to find the translations. And when I do, the quality of the scam or just lines in general is clearly inferior.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 00:25:22 2017 No.16918053

>>16918044
Indeed. The worst is when the only place that has the series you want is a blog that was last updated in 2011 and, if the files are still up, they're all hosted on some godawful site that makes you complete 6 captchas, wait 15 minutes to download, and 24 hours before the next download.
Then again, I don't use PD/Share. Maybe those are better.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 00:25:55 2017 No.16918057

>>16918044
It's hard to get into. I have like ~30gb of raw manga downloaded but it's just from jcafe, nyaa and madokami. Hopefully by the time that's exhausted you or I'll have access to proper 10,000 times-folded japanese-language illegal filesharing websites and then bring that knowledge back to save mankind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 00:34:21 2017 No.16918074 >>16918044 This is why I bought a kindle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 01:07:03 2017 No.16918144 >>16915644 My best guess is that the author is a cretin

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 01:13:27 2017 No.16918174 File: 5 KB, 50x79, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can anyone else out what this is?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 01:17:05 2017 No.16918188 >>16918174 貧 is what my mind told me as soon as I saw it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 01:17:44 2017 No.16918189 >>16918174 貧 Also, when asking people to identify handwritten kanji, please post the full page/sentence if possible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 01:25:34 2017 No.16918218 >>16918188 >>16918189 Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 01:26:15 2017 No.16918220 File: 49 KB, 480x272, 2017-04-24 16-13-24.mp4_snapshot_14.58_[2017.04.24_22.24.40].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does this say it was built 100 years ago, or that it looks like it could withstand 100 years?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 01:40:01 2017 No.16918258 >>16918220 seems 100 years could have passed since it was built

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 02:09:46 2017 No.16918335 >>16918218 You have to memorize 貧乳 together also.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 02:20:11 2017 No.16918351 File: 204 KB, 534x1141, 解放.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16902927 Free yourself from 出来ないちゃん.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 02:42:02 2017 No.16918411

>>16918351
good image

but i'm not gonna lie, anki was a huge boost for me at the beginning. dropped it later on though and haven't looked back. except occasionally when i wonder if i wouldn't be better off in terms of results, not mental health, if i was still doing anki

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:21:53 2017 No.16918518 I almost have all of hiragana memorized How much harder is memorizig various Kanji? Can I get away with ~5 per day like with hiragana or is that unreasonable?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:25:55 2017 No.16918532 >>16918518 You should learn vocab instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:28:36 2017 No.16918540 >>16918532 I thought that was what I would be doing

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:28:53 2017 No.16918541 とお　vs じゅう Whats the difference please? My Textbook just says they both mean Ten.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:30:02 2017 No.16918544 >>16918518 >>16918540 Kanji =/= vocab You can change the number of new cards on Anki to find a pace you're comfortable with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:30:16 2017 No.16918547 >>16918541 kun and on readings, used for counting different things

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:30:38 2017 No.16918550 >>16918541 That's like "deca" vs "ten" they both mean 10, but one is used in everyday speech and the other is used in compound words and such

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:32:21 2017 No.16918556

>>16918411
Revision is a huge boost to retaining information so it would be hard to argue that something like Anki wouldn't be a huge boost over nothing.
As for the image, it was just a meme I wanted to throw together on the spur of the moment while after being prompted by something in another thread. Loli porn makes for great reaction images.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:32:44 2017 No.16918558 >>16918547 >>16918550 ありがとう.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:35:40 2017 No.16918566 >>16918544 I see. I don't understand the difference. I will stick with the Kana for now anyways and maybe will understand later.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:36:55 2017 No.16918573 >>16918541 とおは覚えなくてもいいです子供とお風呂に入る時にしか使いません

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:38:04 2017 No.16918578 File: 118 KB, 361x440, its time.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16918351 give in

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:38:28 2017 No.16918581 >>16918566 The difference is covered in pretty much every beginner guide, but yeah, I would suggesting getting kana out of the way first.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:38:50 2017 No.16918584 >>16918566 辞　＝　kanji 辞める　＝　word which uses aforementioned kanji What are you learning about the kanji in particular?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:39:54 2017 No.16918589 >>16918578 HONK HONK

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:40:57 2017 No.16918592

>>16918518
>>How much harder is memorizig various Kanji? Can I get away with ~5 per day like with hiragana or is that unreasonable?
Kana should legitimately take you a day, 2 if you're on the lazy side.

5 a day is an abysmally slow pace, especially for something like kana where you really don't have to go over them that much, because you'll see them so often that revision doesn't add anything.

Kanji study is a minimum of 20 a day. People will tell you to learn words, but that's just because they're dumb, and think that learning 20,000 words is somehow easier if you don't know any of the component blocks, despite them taking a tenth of the time to learn.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:44:34 2017 No.16918600 >>16918584 I'm not learning any of it yet. I'm just pleaseantly suprised at the rate at which I'm learning hiragana and am wondering if it's possible to keep this pace or if it will slow down.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:46:15 2017 No.16918603 >>16918592 Ah, well I only really have an hour a day, so I was happy with 5 a day. Maybe that is far too slow. It is difficult to find more time with school and work however.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:51:05 2017 No.16918614 >>16918603 It really doesn't matter, do it at your own pace. Learning Japanese is not a race or competition. Strive for progress, not numbers.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:52:33 2017 No.16918620

>>16918603
It takes me half that to do 300 cards a day.

You're spending 10 minutes on あ. How is there that much to learn about it? Something like that should take you a minute, tops, and that's just because you're not used to it yet.

You're underestimating your brain by a lot if you think you can only deal with 5 new symbols a day. Kids learn that much without even putting in any effort, and you've got an hour to concentrate on something for.

If you're sat there, drilling the kana over and over, there's no point. If you forget it tomorrow, it doesn't matter. Basic reading alone will reinforce kana for the rest of your life, there's no need to drill it more than once for 80% of them, maybe twice for the other 20%.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:56:56 2017 No.16918632 >>16918620 I see your point. I will strive for more tomorrow. I did not want to rush in without a good foundation, and learning the alphabets seemed important. Children learn faster, but I am 30, so my learning ability has slowed down in comparison.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:57:13 2017 No.16918633 >>16918603 http://www.csus.edu/indiv/s/sheaa/projects/genki/hiragana-timer.html I used this drag and drop game for Hiragana. Its really not the best but it helped me at the start

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 03:58:57 2017 No.16918639 >>16916695 いま１００きんで８０度くらいのねつかそせいじゅし＊がてにはいるからサツマイモをつかうというところはちょっとぎもんのあるところではあるよ＊熱可塑性樹脂 >>16918174 貧乳 >>16918573 あんきするほうがいいとおもうよとーか、はつか、まいつきつかうから

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 04:00:17 2017 No.16918644

>>16918632
Children don't learn faster, they're just in school most of the time.

Kana isn't the foundation. Grammar is. If you mess up a kana, the worst that can happen is that something reads like gibberish, so you go back and double-check. If you mess up grammar, you can read a sentence completely wrong.

The only way to actually strengthen kana is over time, through reading. It'll come very naturally, there's not much point in trying to grind it out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 04:02:57 2017 No.16918652 >>16918632 Never gonna make it breh

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 05:23:01 2017 No.16918845

>>16918632
>Children learn faster, but I am 30, so my learning ability has slowed down in comparison.
I started when i was 29, 30 now. It's really not that bad.
And the latest research points to language being absorbed even younger than we thought, and plasticity of definitions locking out soon after. If you weren't brought up bilingual, chances are it is already too late and the cutoff for this advantage is lost quite early on in age.

The neurons won't form a carousel for a words definition, its a straight track from then on for monolinguals.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 05:32:48 2017 No.16918875

>>16916660
Anki is a tool first and foremost. If a hammer is for hitting nails into walls it doesn't mean I can't use it to break a window or smash someone's head in. As for memorizing sentences, no I am still not. You are not making any sense. If I have a Japanese sentence on the front and I understand it I mark it as good. Even IF I remember the translation word for word it will just mean I know what the phrase means doesn't it? So what would the issue with that be? That is of course assuming I am memorizing the translation, which I am not. Anki doesn't help you memorize things if you don't actively try to recall the information on the back. That is a simple fact.

Another thing subs2srs is good for is listening practice. You can extract pure audio and have the transcription on the back. Cards take no time to make and you have as much audio available as there is subbed anime.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 05:33:23 2017 No.16918879 あのんがこどものようににほんごをまなべないのはおしえるひとがにほんごをつかうあのんをあいしてくれないからじゃないかな

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 05:41:53 2017 No.16918907

For someone who is essentially a beginner, I've gone through "Tyler Kim" and read through a good bit of よつば's first volume without too much help from the "reading guide".
About how brutal should something like 穢翼のユースティア be with a text hooker?
I want to try reading a VN whilst avoiding something like はなひら, after reading what that's mostly about.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 05:45:47 2017 No.16918924

>>16918875
What you're training isn't comprehension, it's rote memorisation of sentences.

While you might think that you're understanding them, in reality, your brain is just picking up on the flow of the sentence, where the kanji are, and how it starts to deliver the same stock answer every time.

If you learn what "the cat sat on the mat" means, that doesn't mean you know what "sat", or "the" mean. Only by learning those individual words in isolation can you develop the ability to piece them together mentally and actually comprehend the sentence.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 05:51:18 2017 No.16918943

>>16918924
Knowing the words is a prerequisite. What gave you the impression that I am ignoring vocabulary?
Now the rest might be true if done with 1-2 sentences. But remember, subs2srs lets you turn anything said in anime into flashcard. This equals a couple hundred phrases in one episode. Thousands for one season of anime. The sheer quantity negates the merely remembering effect. There comes a point where merely knowing the words doesn't do because a whole ton of sayings are rather colloquial and don't necessarily adhere to established rules. You can also get used to unique accents and unusual ways of speaking. As I only go for comprehension I will not see one sentence very often as chances are I will understand it most of the time. Again, I never said I'm not learning words. Why would I not be?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 05:54:36 2017 No.16918954 >>16918907 Considering you sound like you'd use a J-E dictionary, I don't think you should go for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 05:57:20 2017 No.16918971 >>16918220 For the second it would have to be something like 建てられて百年経っても崩れなさそうな...

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 06:01:57 2017 No.16918991 File: 997 KB, 1418x797, okami.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ブチ上げる

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 07:35:01 2017 No.16919245 File: 340 KB, 1020x620, GIRIGIRI_i_want_to_die.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16918991 I'm assuming this is something like "It seems my lesson today is that if I sleep to the last minute Shu will wake me up."

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 07:59:51 2017 No.16919329 Does the generic object counter work past 10? After 十（とお）, I don't think I've ever seen anything like １１つ. Is it just impossible to count objects in Japanese unless you force yourself to use the closest fitting counter?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 08:02:29 2017 No.16919339 >>16919329 ひーふーみーよーいつーむーななーやーここーとーじゅーきゅーはちーななーろくーごーよんーさんーにーいちーぜろ

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 08:03:05 2017 No.16919343 >>16919245 He doesn't get up to the limit every day as much as waking him up becomes my daily routine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 08:04:58 2017 No.16919350 File: 195 KB, 1069x1462, I fucked up.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16919343 あ。わかた、ありがと

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 08:08:33 2017 No.16919365 >>16919329 x11つ ○11こ 1こ　1つ　ひとつ 2こ　2つ　ふたつ 3こ　3つ　みっつ 4こ　4つ　よっつ 5こ　5つ　いつつ 6こ　6つ　むっつ 7こ　7つ　ななつ 8こ　8つ　やっつ 9こ　9つ　ここのつ 10こ　10　とお 11こ 12こ.13こ.14こ...100こ...1000こ....

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 08:21:00 2017 No.16919406 >>16918592 >People will tell you to learn words, but that's just because they're dumb Why not both? Its not like you can't learn a Kanji and a word at the same time.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 08:27:58 2017 No.16919429

>>16919406
This. Absolutely this. When I learn a kanji, I need to know where I can use it. Sure, if I see it by itself, I can identify it and even know its reading and meaning by itself, but if I don't know where to use it, doesn't do me much good. Especially in the cases where the compound word is not obvious.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 09:16:31 2017 No.16919571

>>16919406
Most jouyou kanji are so common there's not a huge difference between learning 1 word off the bat and learning 0.

For uncommon kanji it becomes almost mandatory to learn an example word (maybe even all the words it appears in) if not just to justify the time you're spending (wasting) but there's no need for that for common ones.

Then again, I'm not about to tell you not to waste seconds of your time, because that's really all that it takes.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 09:19:30 2017 No.16919583

>>16918943
Having thousands of cards isn't going to "negate the remembering effect", because anki specifically times your reviews in such a way as you are most likely to memorise the content of the card. If you don't want to memorise the content of your flashcards then putting them in anki is just about the stupidest thing you could possibly do.

What baffles me most of all however is, if you're not trying to memorise anything why on earth are you wasting your time with flashcards? It is possible to use anki simply as a way of scheduling a particular type of exercise, but in this case you must vary the content of the exercise or you will just end up remembering the answer. If all you're doing is reading anime sentences, why don't you just open a new episode rather than rehashing sentences you've done already?

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 09:45:23 2017 No.16919658

>>16919583
It doesn't matter how Anki times cards. I can only repeat myself, if you don't try to remember the back, you will not remember it. But perhaps it is wrong to say that I am not remembering per se. I am remembering the meaning of a phrase or special expression, not the literal translation. And what's wrong with that? It doesn't even matter if I just remember the literal translation because I will still have gained understanding of that phrase and will know what it means when it pops up in the future. It is no different than vocabulary cards. I am a flip flopping a little bit but we seem to have established remembering is bad earlier, and to be honest I don't agree.
Look at it like this:
There is this phrase, line of dialogue or whatever that I did not understand. Now I looked at the explanation and know what it means. But if I don't see it again I will simply forget it and this is where Anki comes in. Opening a new episode won't solve that. Of course you could argue that if I don't see it again, I will not need to remember it but I'd like to achieve full understanding of Japanese. I mark everything I would like to keep understanding and as the time passes I will check my understanding of that sentence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 10:10:07 2017 No.16919748 I've been away for a while, why the change from /a/ to /jp/?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 10:11:29 2017 No.16919754 >>16919748 http://djtguide.neocities.org/ http://desuarchive.org/

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 10:12:35 2017 No.16919759 >>16919748 Hot pockets are arbitrary.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 10:17:16 2017 No.16919783

>>16919658
>It doesn't matter how Anki times cards. I can only repeat myself, if you don't try to remember the back, you will not remember it.
Anybody who has been alive as a human knows that is wrong. You memorise things without conscious effort all the time.
>we seem to have established remembering is bad earlier, and to be honest I don't agree.
It's not actively bad, just a waste of your time. If you genuinely enjoy memorising sentences then of course go ahead.
>There is this phrase, line of dialogue or whatever that I did not understand.
Then isolate the parts you don't understand, whether they are words or grammar points, and review them individually. The sentence can be set aside as a reference, but not used as the trigger, because otherwise when you do this:
>as the time passes I will check my understanding of that sentence.
Your incidental memories will interfere with the integrity of that check.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 10:22:51 2017 No.16919812 >>16917828 >toxic stop

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 10:35:48 2017 No.16919895

>>16919812
what do I search here to get the DJT threads? I can't find shit

>>/jp/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=DJT&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=op&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=op

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 10:49:33 2017 No.16919944 >>16919812 Responding to a 11-hour dead argument. Yeah. Toxic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 10:58:48 2017 No.16920010 >>16919895 Press advanced search

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 11:02:16 2017 No.16920030 File: 56 KB, 410x702, 2017-04-25-120114_410x702_scrot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16920010 That was advanced search. Halp. Only get four threads from 2014-15 with this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 11:03:29 2017 No.16920042 >>16920030 take a look at the OP, then look at your search parameters

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 11:03:31 2017 No.16920043 >>16919895 >>16920030 What are you even trying to do?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 11:05:43 2017 No.16920058 >>16920042 Oh. I didn't notice text to find referred to the body of the post. I'm sorry. >>16920043 Your mother.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 11:08:16 2017 No.16920075

>>16920058
That was rude; I'm sorry. I'm going to go through these pages and download a couple hundred DJTs so I have something to read.

http://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/DJT/type/op/results/thread/page/2/

>>/jp/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=&search_subject=DJT&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=op&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=op

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 11:11:43 2017 No.16920092 File: 36 KB, 246x274, 1486908836829.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16920058 >>16920075 I just wanted to know if I could be of assistance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 11:16:16 2017 No.16920108 File: 103 KB, 1024x1068, 1493133376575.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16920092 My hand is itchy, anon.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 11:17:08 2017 No.16920114
File: 94 KB, 646x812, qdcchj.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Somewhat worried about my mature retention lately. It used to be around 87-88% a few months back. Is the gap between young and mature percentage worrying or is this a consequence of the sheer amount of cards in the deck?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 11:20:26 2017 No.16920131 >>16920114 Sheer amount of cards.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 11:21:34 2017 No.16920134 >>16920114 Is getting high correct scores like that an IQ thing? I have a hard time remembering shit without like 5 or 6 presses, and even then it's spotty. Maybe I'm just too fat.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 11:22:12 2017 No.16920138 >>16920134 No, IQ isn't closely associated with rote memory.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 11:23:01 2017 No.16920143 >>16920134 Don't know, I have pretty good short term memory but no idea where that comes from.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 11:27:14 2017 No.16920160 >>16920143 your genes or placebo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 11:32:08 2017 No.16920179 File: 108 KB, 971x124, MLVfBAC[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Who has more mature cards than me?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 11:32:24 2017 No.16920180 >>16920134 I (different person) get high scores like that because I use mnemonics for everything.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 11:37:55 2017 No.16920197 >>16920179 Post your kanji grid.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 12:04:25 2017 No.16920321

https://www.memrise.com/course/1091255/sgjl-03-remembering-the-kanji-ko2k1-pt-1/

Is anyone doing this? What is your feedback?
It sounded like a nice idea to follow this on memrise, but for me identifying the meaning of the kanji alone is not enough, I must know the readings and some vocab. I'd find myself going back and forth between memrise and jisho to see the readings and some examples of the use of the kanji.
But what made me export this deck from memrise to anki and modify it to add the readings and some vocab examples was really the reviews system.
For me it was a pain to do them separately. And the fact that you only get a fraction of the points for doing reviews as you would for learning new content drives me crazy. I didn't have any incentive to review kanji because if I wanted to complete the daily goal, all I had to do was power through a lesson or two to make the points necessary for that day, even if I forget everything 5 minutes after I finish.
Anki, on the other hand, gives me discipline.

>>16920075
If you go to the old, old /a/ threads, you'd really have one DAILY Japanese Thread, in which the OP would post a new kanji. Good times.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 12:19:45 2017 No.16920395 一番大事なのは気持ちとマインドフラッシュカード捨てて現実の彼女を見つけろよ youtu.be/JLJZ4IMIDeA#t=87

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 12:26:38 2017 No.16920417 >>16920395 さあ、俺の彼女になってくれないか？

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 12:51:11 2017 No.16920504 >>16920417 ダサいヤツとは付き合わへんわ

>>	None !!z3umYx8rQGR Tue Apr 25 12:56:31 2017 No.16920528 43. Read a manga that combines a genre tag that you like and one that you dislike 風駆少女組! (4 volumes) 2/65

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 13:01:13 2017 No.16920556 >>16920528 Maybe drop the tripcode and just post images with a special filename. That way you can still be filtered but it's not fucking annoying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 13:01:44 2017 No.16920560 >>16920114 how long since you started?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 13:05:41 2017 No.16920584 Which outdated kanji do you like most? My favorite is 瞞す over 騙す

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 13:08:57 2017 No.16920601 >美道 Explain this, Japan lovers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 13:09:03 2017 No.16920602 >>16919245 >>16919343 This is a weird translation More naturally it means >I wake up shu when he's sleeping in so much that it's becoming part of my daily routine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 13:10:58 2017 No.16920609 >>16920601 Hope you're ready for a good history lesson. https://www.tofugu.com/japan/gay-samurai/

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 13:18:01 2017 No.16920642 [DELETED]

>>16920609
I find it hilarious that the Judeo-Christian religion condemns the acknowledgement of human sexuality.

It's literally just a bunch of prudes who are insecure about their own sexuality.

Shinto-ism did it right -- Neither explicitly encouraging it or condemning it. They simply accepted sex as a part of the human experience and left it to be done with as we please.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 13:22:35 2017 No.16920662 [DELETED]

>>16920642
Not quite. Notice how many gay people talk with a lisp, and how many vote for big government (almost all of them!)? And how many kids who are molested grow up to be molesters? All of the rampant disease and degeneracy? It's a pathology. Nobody cares to investigate it because of unthinking morons like you going 'durr it's just sex you bigot'

And it doesn't suppress acknowledgement. Most religions are more or less about self-reflection and trying to behave virtuously. Not that you would care about any of that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 13:29:49 2017 No.16920685 ～basement dwelling philosophers and political activists～

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 13:30:57 2017 No.16920690 [DELETED]

>>16920662
I know this is bait, and unrelated to Japanese so this will be my last comment on the subject, but

>Notice how many gay people talk with a lisp
This is a culture thing that is learned, and I'm not sure what it has to do with your argument.

>and how many vote for big government
Well, this is fundamentally wrong in that you are assuming (or at least implying) your own political preferences are correct. Also, sure statistically gay people are more likely to be liberal. But again, it's a correlation due to other social factors that I'm not going to get into rn

>And how many kids who are molested grow up to be molesters
I'm not even gonna humor this one.

>Everything else you said
I don't care enough to continue this argument, honestly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 13:33:20 2017 No.16920698 >>16920685 〜地下に暮らしている哲学者と政活動家〜

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 13:45:58 2017 No.16920761 〜地下にゲイしている君とわたし〜

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 13:50:43 2017 No.16920780 [DELETED]

>>16920690
Regarding the big government thing, it doesn't imply that at all doofus. The entire point of my post is that they're alike in too many ways for it to be a matter of just 'sexuality', It doesn't matter how many factors cause it. It's a problem matrix identifiable to gay people regardless.

Also humorous that you'd call earnest discussion bait. Are you one of the /jp/ natives? Heh, maybe the guy who used the word 'toxic' unironically. Sorry we're invading your safe space.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 13:54:38 2017 No.16920791 おきちゃったからだじゅうにいたみがはしるそうだきっとそうだかなしばりだ

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 14:12:55 2017 No.16920841 >>16920560 2 years and 3 months.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 14:24:03 2017 No.16920863 holy shit the mods on jp are garbage, same thing happens in the akb thread, tons of deleted posts for no reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 14:24:37 2017 No.16920867 >>16920863 Maybe consider making good posts instead of bad ones.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 14:25:43 2017 No.16920872 >>16920867 this was my first post in this thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 14:28:07 2017 No.16920886 >>16920872 Your IP address disagrees

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 14:30:19 2017 No.16920896 >>16918907 It's pretty simple. I read it as my third or so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 14:38:58 2017 No.16920937 File: 431 KB, 1280x720, 1467476688886.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16918907 >>16920896 Also just went through my Eustia screenshots and found this. Very fitting for DJT

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 14:44:26 2017 No.16920958 >>16920896 Alright, thanks. Someone else replied and suggested I not try it seeing as I'd probably using J-E dictionary translations, is that so bad to do as a beginner? Not sure how to really get the gist / meaning of a word otherwise initially.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 14:48:25 2017 No.16920977 >>16920958 All beginners do that, it's fine.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 14:48:56 2017 No.16920980

>>16920958
>is that so bad to do as a beginner?
Not at all. I and pretty much everyone else did too at the beginning. I'd say read about 10-15~ VNs and then switch to J-J, that should be about the time when you can handle it.
I'd also recommend doing a mining deck if you aren't already.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 14:50:08 2017 No.16920984

>>16920958
its a crutch that can lead to bad habits with understanding but whether or not you become dependent on that is up to you

also read w.e you want but i suggest things literally for children who still poop in their drawers to reinforce good feelings as opposed to jumping into the <meme deep eroge writer here> library and reinforcing bad ones

youre supposed to read at and slightly above reading level for a reason

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 14:56:52 2017 No.16921015

>>16920977
>>16920980
Cool, thanks a lot, I appreciate it.

>>16920984
Yeah, I can see how it'd become a crutch and it's something I'd love to break asap but I feel like I'm a bit off from that.
As for reading things at a kid's level, I've been handling Yotsuba pretty well, it actually feels pretty damn amazing reading through it and not needing much in the way of having to look up words.
Had more issue trying to read some of the handwritten kana than understanding what's being said.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 15:08:32 2017 No.16921058

>>16921015
yotsuba honestly is two or three levels up from where you should ideally start imo. id read it after youve mastered your ehons such as はらぺこあおむし and どこにあるのぼくのいろ and can write kana from memory and then arrange them into words to express basic ideas to your mommy

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 15:10:10 2017 No.16921069 >>16921058 It's not funny.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 15:11:36 2017 No.16921072 >>16921069 ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 15:32:31 2017 No.16921152 >>16921058 you wouldn't have links to those, would you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 15:40:06 2017 No.16921179 >>16921152 Don't listen to the village idiot. He spent a decade reaching his current pathetic level and hangs around here to trick beginners into following his path of failure.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 15:43:29 2017 No.16921188 >>16921179 I mean, I don't appreciate the stock passive-aggressive lowercase one liners either, but that was a legitimate post, and those books take like 5 minutes to read anyway.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 15:43:36 2017 No.16921189

>>16921152
i dont know where to steal books for children but i have a suspicion you might find something to meet your needs on youtube if you try to look

>>16921179
why you get so mad at the idea of starting from the bottom

you just end up there anyway if you neglect the basics

your post describes djt fairly well though so maybe youre reflecting on yourself there as you project

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 15:52:45 2017 No.16921221

I'd like to thank you guys.

I have been learning Japanese for a few months now and I am making good progress, but that really isn't the reason. It is only through this place that I found Anki and so far it has been an immense improvement of my life. I have to remember a whole ton of stuff for my studying and I always forget it after exams. I could never remember names or phone numbers and I was a loser at geography. Now people think I am some kind of genius who never forgets anything and I can prepare for exams months in advance without worrying about it slipping my mind. I wish I'd have found out about SRS earlier because the advantage it gives you in daily life is simply enormous.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 15:56:29 2017 No.16921235

>>16921221
Yeah I have become a walking telephone book in my friends circle, work and family. People just come to me when they want to contact someone and I pull out the appropriate number out of about 300~ saved in my brain and increasing every day. Feels good to be useful!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 15:58:38 2017 No.16921244 >>16921221 >>16921179 >>16921235 youtu.be/IrqO4eSqRC4#t=82 bakusyou

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 16:11:19 2017 No.16921296 おきちゃったならしょうがないよねあさちゃーはんにしよさあつくるよー

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 16:13:04 2017 No.16921302

>>16921244
I'm a beginner myself, so I'm just putting this in the room and awaiting opinions. I haven't completed it myself yet.

Many people complain about Rosetta Stone not giving you grammar explanations and them not benefitting from it because they didn't understand anything. But if you put it to display full Kanji, isn't it a good way to get started after you laid the basics in grammar because it completely immerses you in Japanese, reinforces the grammar rules you hopefully learned elsewhere and pretty much exclusively teaches basic vocabulary (which can also be reinforced in Anki)? It is also clean, formal Japanese without anything weird to confuse you at start. Of course, buying it is retarded, but I think pirating it as a way to reinforce the basics of basics and just reading real Japanese is better than texts aimed at children, stripped of all Kanji.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 16:14:29 2017 No.16921305 「すこし位ならいいだろう、今日は客もいないし」位 means what here?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 16:15:46 2017 No.16921309 >>16921305 くらい

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 16:16:43 2017 No.16921313

>>16921302
The problem with rosetta stone is that it's just too simple. It's actually better than people meme about it being, but it's not worth the money, and it will only take you to a trivial level that's easy to reach even if you don't know what you're doing and try to teach yourself everything.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 16:20:14 2017 No.16921324

>>16921302
the reason i recommend ehons is not because they dont have kanji but because they are simple to understand and use day 1 shit you learned at tyler kims a lot of the time

theres ones that have kanji in them too if you really wanna be a big kid btw

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 16:21:04 2017 No.16921333

>>16921302
I've started ( Genki 1 ) textbook and plan to move on to ( Genki 2 ) for Grammar and some Vocabulary. aswell as Tae Kims Guid to Grammar.
I plan to buy ( Remembering the Kanji ) textbook to learn Kanji

for Reviewing i use Anki app

For practice I plan on using italki to get native speakers ( i don't live in japan so its a issue )

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 16:23:35 2017 No.16921340 >>16921305 extent

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 16:25:38 2017 No.16921348 >>16921309 >>16921340 oh it's THAT くらい? i was because the rikai doesn't show any similar definition at all

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 16:26:07 2017 No.16921349 >>16921333 I'm another anon. Not a fan of RTK myself, but sounds like a good plan. Don't forget to read native stuff like manga or any other form of written text you like. It really helps you nailing everything down and put things into context.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 16:27:50 2017 No.16921353 File: 20 KB, 391x260, Screenshot_2017-04-25_21-27-02.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16921348 Only the 6th definition, but Yomichan managed to pick it up.

Maki Tue Apr 25 16:46:11 2017 No.16921418

downloaded the 6k deck since anki messed up on me because of the email reverification thing. I literally used a mined deck for three years and the whole thing confused me so i just downloaded the 6k deck. I finished the 2k two years ago or so and have read and listened extensively. How long do you think it will take for me to finosh the 6k?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 16:48:18 2017 No.16921425 >>16921418 You don't have backups?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 16:50:25 2017 No.16921431 >>16921425 No i never made one. I might still have one saved on my cpu but idk...i never really cared tonmake a long term one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 16:51:01 2017 No.16921433 >>16921431 anki automatically makes backups

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 16:51:53 2017 No.16921438 >>16921418 Do you have brain damage or why are you starting Anki after 3 years, with a premade deck of words you should already know all of? Just go read more.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 16:54:13 2017 No.16921445

>>16921433
Ahh than i should probably look than. I havent really played around with even after 3 years of using it daily. I try to keep it simple.

>>16921438
Ive read a ton but anki is still good to have. I dont take it too seriously just something i do daily to review. Ive got it but im breezing through it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 17:03:57 2017 No.16921482 >>16917403 I prefer the translation 中出しされるときの快感

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 17:53:51 2017 No.16921730 I've done about 4k words on the core 6k. Can I pass JLPT N3 this July? Still don't know a lot of stuff on Tanos vocab list

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 17:54:59 2017 No.16921735 >>16921730 Post your J-CAT score.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 17:55:06 2017 No.16921737 >>16921730 cant you just google prep materials for that test and then decide for yourself if youre doin good or not

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 17:57:29 2017 No.16921747 >>16921735 200

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 18:03:47 2017 No.16921763 File: 27 KB, 344x307, Screenshot_2017-04-25_22-57-36.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why, Japan?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 18:04:13 2017 No.16921764 >>16921735 I cant seem to log into the account. But it was between 150-200 at the least -- back in Jan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 18:07:13 2017 No.16921771 >>16921763 What?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 18:10:25 2017 No.16921785 >>16921771 Same meaning, same kanji, two words. I can see no difference between them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 18:10:56 2017 No.16921788 >>16921763 だいたい「木」でつうじるよどっちもおぼえなくてもいけるよはつおんはきをつけてねきー　だよ

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 18:11:55 2017 No.16921793 >>16921785 Ah, I see. So you're just retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 18:16:15 2017 No.16921812 >>16921788 keyの「き」でもなく skiの「き」でもなく kissの「き」でもなくくるしそーうにはつおんしてね「き」

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 18:21:23 2017 No.16921837

>>16921785
It seems like 材木 is especially used to refer to wood that has been processed into boards to be used for construction, while 木材 is more generally trees that have been cut down to be used as some kind of material but that have not been processed yet.

http://chigai-allguide.com/%E6%9C%A8%E6%9D%90%E3%81%A8%E6%9D%90%E6%9C%A8/
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1313459618

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 18:22:47 2017 No.16921841 >>16921837 lumber vs timber

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 18:23:13 2017 No.16921843 >>16921837 Thanks, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 18:27:38 2017 No.16921855 >>16921837 木を切り倒して枝を落としたのが丸太、材木商が売るよ皮をはいで、採寸して角材に加工したものは木材としてホームセンターとかで売るよ

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 18:40:00 2017 No.16921905 >>16921855 逆なんじゃないの？製材した前は木材で、製材した後は材木だろう >木材は、原木を切断して材料や原料として用いる木のこと。 >材木は、建築や製品の材料として一定の長さや大きさなどに製材し、用材となったもののこと。

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 18:52:54 2017 No.16921970 >>16920108 >LHfag Fuck off forever

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 18:58:17 2017 No.16921996 How do I say "Read more"? Pretty sure it's not もっと

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 19:00:35 2017 No.16922007 >>16921996 The only person you're going to want to say that to is yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 19:02:31 2017 No.16922018 >>16921996 もっと読め

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 19:02:38 2017 No.16922020 >all this talk about global warming in Yotsuba You people told me this was beginner material

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 19:04:10 2017 No.16922030 >>16922020 地球 - Earth 温暖 - warmth 化 - change

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 19:08:47 2017 No.16922058 >>16922020 Global warming is the biggest problem facing the world today. It is good to learn important words like that sooner rather than later. In Japan, it is generally a baby's 3rd word, after mother and father.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 19:09:37 2017 No.16922062 >>16922007 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 19:15:41 2017 No.16922103 File: 218 KB, 1024x768, woods.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16921905 間違いは誰にでもあるあなたにも >製材した前は

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 19:21:22 2017 No.16922132 >>16922058 not the existential threat of societal control through big data? you're already cooked a thousand times and you don't even know it dear /jp/ mod: thank you for your service

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 19:25:17 2017 No.16922150 >>16922103 さいきん竹しか切ってないし竹は木だけど材木にはならないんだよねヒゴになる。かんじはしらない

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 20:02:02 2017 No.16922307 >>16922007 >not talking to yourself in Japanese It's like you don't want to learn.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 20:14:44 2017 No.16922365 >>16922132 /g/ かえれ

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 20:26:40 2017 No.16922420 ふええ

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 20:27:33 2017 No.16922428 >read 五車学園 as ごしゃがくえん for hours >after a while in the VN someone with a voice says it >it was ごぐるまがくえん all along Is there a way to avoid this? I feel terrible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 20:33:16 2017 No.16922443 >>16922365 /g/'s a consumerist board

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 20:42:32 2017 No.16922489 >>16915733 Not really. the way that you can add furigana to a website is to actually add it to the HTML. Since Facebook wasn't designed that way, you're shit out of luck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 20:51:35 2017 No.16922518 >ひごぼく　の　ひご

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 21:02:15 2017 No.16922559 >>16922428 >read your post >think the same exact thing >post is about that very thing >woah Woah

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 21:32:00 2017 No.16922697 File: 339 KB, 414x397, 1451779807992.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm at kanji 484 with Heisig

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 21:35:23 2017 No.16922711 >>16916116 >for no good reason Fuck off you cancerous sperg, deal with the fact that not all anons approach Japanese the exact same way as you do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 21:45:29 2017 No.16922760 誰かに殺してほしいです

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 22:05:58 2017 No.16922870 >>16904534 ｗｗｗｗ

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 22:11:50 2017 No.16922895 >>16922760 たれかわたしのねてきづかぬうちにそつとしめころしてくれるものはいないだろうかえらいひとも小説にそうかいているよ

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 22:17:00 2017 No.16922916 >>16922760 >>16922895 芥川龍之介だったよ短編「歯車」だって個性的な文章を書いた有名な作家だよ

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 22:23:33 2017 No.16922951 >>16904534 >jiggy jiggy fooney なるほど。。。。

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 22:48:13 2017 No.16923081 File: 8 KB, 246x232, 1415913434310s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Dumb question but how do I end an email to my sensei? I've always used ありがとうございます, enter key, then my name, but I feel like that's not appropriate enough.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 22:49:53 2017 No.16923085 >>16923081 don't worry about it, you're a filthy gaijin that didn't grow up under the same social pressures, they know that

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 22:50:25 2017 No.16923088 >>16922760 *誰かに殺されてほしいです

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 22:51:08 2017 No.16923091 >>16923081 I think you're supposed to say よろしくお願いします.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 22:54:35 2017 No.16923105 >>16923088 *誰かに殺されたいですだから、誰かに殺してほしい

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 22:55:46 2017 No.16923110 >>16923088 I don't think that means what you think it means. >誰かに殺してほしいです I want somebody to kill (me). >誰かに殺されてほしいです I want (you) to be killed by somebody.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 22:55:58 2017 No.16923112
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>>16922711
>i'd rather spend hours adding videos to super easy starter cards than do something that's actually productive in terms of learning
Well, whatever floats your boat, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 22:56:22 2017 No.16923114 >>16923081 メイル終了（ｷﾘｯ

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 22:57:56 2017 No.16923125 >>16923081 I know that but I just want to sound like a decent honorable 外人 >>16923091 I'm a little on the fence about that. The meaning could probably vary depending on the situation but I know that as meaning "nice to meet you."

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 22:58:04 2017 No.16923127 >>16923081 敬具

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 22:58:43 2017 No.16923132 >>16923112 weaponize autism and face to productivity

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:00:26 2017 No.16923141

>>16923125
It's also what you say when you're asking a favor from someone. Let's say you sent your teacher an email asking to meet with them. Then you'd say よろしくお願いします. ありがとうございます is what you say after something has already been done, so it's actually presumptive to already thank them when they haven't even agreed to it yet. Very different from English.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:01:29 2017 No.16923147 File: 21 KB, 448x108, washeright.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:02:40 2017 No.16923153

>>16923147
yes, I can read simple manga and know fewer than 10 kanjis

in reality I probably know like 650 kanjis if you count the ones I understand the general "meaning" of and can identify their common chinese readings if I see them read that way, but he has the right idea

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:05:15 2017 No.16923163 i know all the kanjis but there all stung together with weird words i dont understand

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:06:16 2017 No.16923171 >>16923163 strung*

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:07:13 2017 No.16923176 >>16923105 >>16923110 有名な一文があるからそれをつかうといいよ >誰か僕の眠つてゐるうちにそつと絞め殺してくれるものはないか？ http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000879/files/40_15151.html

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:07:32 2017 No.16923178 >>16923147 400 kanji doesn't equal 400 words tho, it may sound misleading to new people

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:10:19 2017 No.16923190 File: 289 KB, 1392x805, Fgm6ma8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16923147 this is misleading >>16923178 yep. kanji is not the language, its just what they use for it

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:10:58 2017 No.16923194 >>16923081 Is your teacher native Japanese? If so you need not be correct. If not, in the case of you need be correct, you need to say "ありがとうございました。またよろしくお願いします。".

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:13:02 2017 No.16923203 >>16923190 >kanji is not the language, its just what they use for it The way I put this is "kanji is just an orthography". That way people don't gloss over what you say, like if you say "just a writing system" or "just what something they use".

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:15:06 2017 No.16923212 >>16923194 Ｏ in case you need to be correct Ｏ in the case that you need to be correct Ｘ in the case of you need be correct

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:15:17 2017 No.16923214 File: 201 KB, 322x395, 1493098778747.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16923203 yeah thats where i first heard it but i cbf to spell orthography

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:15:39 2017 No.16923217 >>16923212 spot the esl

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:16:23 2017 No.16923220 >>16923214 or-tho graph-y >>16923217 "in the case of you need be correct" is not valid English.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:17:26 2017 No.16923225 >>16923220 but "in the case of 'you need be correct'" is you southern hemisphere dwelling ape

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:18:35 2017 No.16923230 >>16923225 youcantsimplyremovepunctuationandhavevalidengilshthatsnothowthelangueworks

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:19:24 2017 No.16923232 >>16923230 esls dont need it to understand bitch

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:20:03 2017 No.16923235 >>16923212 Thank you my Daily English Thread. I decide to use that 2nd form.

Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:20:29 2017 No.16923236

>>16923232
I'm a native English speaker and I know more English than you. If you want to operate on a quote as a nominal phrase you have to actually quote it. Such things never actually happen in the spoken language unless you say something like quote-on-quote or gesture to insert the punctuation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:21:40 2017 No.16923241 >>16923235 Form 1 is the most natural. Form 2 is technically correct and shows up sometimes, especially in technical writing, when they want to avoid the nuances of the form 1.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:22:34 2017 No.16923244 >>16923236 thanks for prefacing your post to let me know i need not read the rest of it beyond the first sentence

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:23:38 2017 No.16923246 >>16923244 You're welcome, now go take a shower or something instead of sperging out at the things people decide to do on 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:24:31 2017 No.16923250 >>16923246 whos sperging i just see another muppet dancing just like any other day

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:25:08 2017 No.16923252 >>16923250 You apparently

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:26:05 2017 No.16923255 >>16923252 you forgot to put the you in parenthesis in your post how am i supposed to understand your english now

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:27:12 2017 No.16923258 >>16922428 for names and shit most of the time you have to use the jap pronounciation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:31:33 2017 No.16923274 >>16922428 dont just randomly guess at shit or something as for how to avoid it? i guess its actually read more (shit with narration)

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:33:43 2017 No.16923279 誰か、死なせてください

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:37:30 2017 No.16923293 誰か、わたしを止めて。

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:38:25 2017 No.16923296 誰かわたしはゲイ

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:43:33 2017 No.16923313 なまおっぱいですらリアルで見たことがないのですどうせ童貞のままで死ぬなら、なるべく早く死にたいのです

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:49:03 2017 No.16923329 >>16923313 >なまおっぱいですらなまおっぱいすら

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 25 23:51:58 2017 No.16923344 誰が魔法使いなのかね

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 00:06:30 2017 No.16923390 Which is you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRLUVp1XY-g

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 00:09:18 2017 No.16923401 長い空腹のは不思議な感じですね

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 00:19:00 2017 No.16923430 >>16923390 あの外国人

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 00:24:07 2017 No.16923441 >>16923390 I wouldn't even be able talk. I still need to work on my speaking skills.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 00:29:19 2017 No.16923462 File: 115 KB, 1420x706, lmoa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16923390 found the djt segment lmao

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 00:32:40 2017 No.16923473 File: 114 KB, 851x478, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16923390 What did this swede mean with this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 00:36:46 2017 No.16923483 >>16923473 penor train obviously

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 00:42:14 2017 No.16923499 File: 342 KB, 1140x850, 賃賃電車.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16923473 ちんちん電車（路面電車） is an ordinary word, but ちんちん is a dirty jokes. Didn't you know チンチン? Or you want me to explain it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 00:43:46 2017 No.16923504 Do you guys like writing kanji? I myself feel a thrill remembering and writing. It's just so much fun.

Anonymous Wed Apr 26 00:48:06 2017 No.16923519

>>16904368
>>16904397
What this guy said, I studied abroad for a semester and you really need friends that are willing to shit-talk your Japanese to learn.

Unfortunately most Japs are too polite to tell you that you sound like an idiot so I had to rely on the Chinese and Korean students to tell me that I was being retarded at times.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 00:51:42 2017 No.16923533 >>16907597 Characters tend to enunciate much more clearly in anime. Whereas in normal speak Japs tend to go for 0 emotion monotone speech which makes it much harder to pick apart. Atleast thats how I feel

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 01:36:22 2017 No.16923627 >>16923390 どいなかからみると東京はにほんにみえない

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 01:44:51 2017 No.16923650 >>16923627 田舎には田舎の良さがある

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 01:56:32 2017 No.16923691 >>16923650 いなかにはがんじんいないよつまりはそういうことでしょにほんあつかいされてないのねにほんから

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 01:58:39 2017 No.16923695 >>16923519 Did they actually tell you that you sounded stupid or did they just say what was wrong?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 02:08:51 2017 No.16923744 いつのじだいも日本の帝のまわりはにほんのいなかの飯を徴税して外国いって糞をひるいきものひつようあくなのはりかいできるけどなかよくできるかというとあたしはいやだ

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 02:28:34 2017 No.16923818 彼女（雄）が欲しい

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 02:47:23 2017 No.16923869 >>16923818 それは雌豚になるの？雄豚になるの？

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 02:54:42 2017 No.16923895 >>16923869 陰茎のついた女の子になるの

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 03:21:23 2017 No.16923964 >>16923895 それは男でしょう

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 03:25:24 2017 No.16923975 >>16923964 違う説明しても分かってくれないと思うから説明しないけど全然違う

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 03:36:22 2017 No.16924014 >>16923895 ふたなりっ娘？いいな

Anonymous Wed Apr 26 04:02:11 2017 No.16924081

>>16923695
They would laugh and make fun of me a bit and tell me I should know this stuff and then tell me the correct phrase

Fuck chinese people learning Japanese though none of them could understand that Kanji is fucking hard to memorize without having learned the characters your entire life

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 04:04:58 2017 No.16924090 >>16924081 They sound pretty rude but at least they helped by giving you the right answer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 05:05:47 2017 No.16924296 >>16924014 それも男でしょう

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 05:10:55 2017 No.16924317 >>16923895 ゆりかわ的な女装趣味受けではないんだよな

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 05:15:59 2017 No.16924334 >>16924296 性別どうでも良い、かわいいふたなりっ娘に犯されたい

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 05:18:24 2017 No.16924344 >>16924334 女ならどうしたってペニバンでしょう

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 05:26:28 2017 No.16924375 >>16924344 それもいい、とにかく犯されって欲しい

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 06:53:32 2017 No.16924553 >>16923691 >>16923744 意味がわからん。田舎であろうと日本だろう。分断を狙っているのか？

Anonymous Wed Apr 26 06:55:53 2017 No.16924556

Any recommendations for easy-ish japanese ps1, ps2, psp, nds, or wii games or VNs? I know the zelda games are easy-ish and have furigana (playing 夢幻の砂時計 right now) but I'm looking for more recommendations or more obscure untranslated titles. They don't necessarily need to have furigana, I'm trying to stop relying on them anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 06:59:27 2017 No.16924568 >>16924556 >>16918991

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 07:00:10 2017 No.16924569 >>16924556 Persona 3 and 4

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 07:05:05 2017 No.16924577 >>16924556 Mother 2 - Gyiyg no Gyakushuu for the super famicom using higan

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 07:28:39 2017 No.16924627 >>16924553 ＵＫよりひどくはないよ

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 07:35:56 2017 No.16924640 >>16924556 yokai watch if you have 3ds. as for it being 'easy' im currently going through genki 2 + other references & 80% on core 6k. any other level 5 games have furigana

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 09:03:12 2017 No.16924875 File: 196 KB, 331x309, 345.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16904706 i see who you quoted there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 09:21:48 2017 No.16924925 >お手洗い >Hand + Red = Bathroom what a retarded language system

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 09:24:35 2017 No.16924935 >>16924925 洗は赤じゃないよ

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 09:26:13 2017 No.16924942 >>16924925 赤い = red 洗い = wash

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 09:36:53 2017 No.16924966 >>16924925 お手洗いはトイレな

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 10:02:25 2017 No.16925082 File: 16 KB, 236x446, 1f96f15bbd959687314002356f517b52.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16924925 肩車 piggyback ride english, not even once

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 10:05:54 2017 No.16925101 >>16924925 Is this what happens if you ignore all Kanji writing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 10:08:52 2017 No.16925112 >>16925101 or your lens prescription

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 10:21:38 2017 No.16925175 >覆う >覆る何でだよ

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 10:38:37 2017 No.16925230 >いまや学校中の女子が、提灯に足が生えたような状態になっている。 >提灯に足が生えたような What does this phrase mean? Can't find it in Google

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 10:53:06 2017 No.16925267 >>16925230 Maybe it's saying they're fat or look like 提灯 for some other reason in the context?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 10:57:01 2017 No.16925277 >>16925230 派手な衣装を着ていたもしくは、明るく光る物を身につけていた？文化祭の衣装か？

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 11:12:56 2017 No.16925333 File: 121 KB, 1280x960, 1299478364712.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16925175

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 11:59:11 2017 No.16925457 >腐女子 >rotten woman What did japan mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 12:01:59 2017 No.16925468 File: 18 KB, 508x328, .png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16925457 Hmm...

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 12:05:48 2017 No.16925479 >>16925468 You may or may have not completely missed the point of my post

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 12:06:18 2017 No.16925481 >>16925468 気持ち悪い

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 12:53:50 2017 No.16925680 File: 6 KB, 195x259, 1492176027172.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16925230 >提灯 teitou? deffo teitou >ちょうちん

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 13:07:49 2017 No.16925761 >>16925680 Welcome to gook words. >焼売

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 14:01:45 2017 No.16925993 >>16925680 Another one I found recently is 松明.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 15:05:06 2017 No.16926206 >>16925993 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%86%9F%E5%AD%97%E8%A8%93#.E4.BE.8B

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 15:10:06 2017 No.16926225 >明日めいにち？　めいじつ？ Same thing.

Anonymous Wed Apr 26 15:39:12 2017 No.16926354

>>16925680
>>16925761
>>16926225
These are actually examples of three different types of readings.

>提灯
This is a proper 漢語, but read using the 唐音 reading. Words like 椅子 and 布団 are also examples of this.

>焼売
This is a 外来語 borrowed from modern Chinese. Some people might argue that it's technically 漢語 but しゅう and まい are not recognized as 音読み for those characters in Japanese.

>明日
This is a 和語 read using a 熟字訓 reading, where the kanji are chosen for their meaning and the reading is irrelevant (the opposite of 当て字).

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 16:04:11 2017 No.16926449 >>16926354 Thanks for the clarification, 先生. I had no clue.

>>	Maki Wed Apr 26 16:06:48 2017 No.16926456 My lifes a joke Im nearly retarded literally autistic and minimum wage. I live by the laws of karoushi just so i can forget everything and maybe wake up one day to a reality i love... everyday i want to put the bullet to my head.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 16:12:18 2017 No.16926477 >>16926456 >Im nearly retarded literally autistic congrats, apply for SSI, ~500 free burgers per month

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 16:58:17 2017 No.16926638 おはようおにいちゃんてをあらおうかおをあらおう

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 17:03:17 2017 No.16926660 >>16926638 ちんこを洗おう

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 17:30:34 2017 No.16926785 >>16926354 Does 下手 (へた) classify as a 和語 with 熟字訓 reading? Is there a database with those readings? Jisho gave me nothing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 17:35:04 2017 No.16926802 >>16926785 Yes, the Wikipedia article >>16926206 posted lists it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 17:37:11 2017 No.16926811 >>16926802 >>16926206 Ah, thanks a lot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 17:55:58 2017 No.16926877 >>16902927 Where can I find light novels in Japanese? I want to read NHK ni youkoso

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 17:57:27 2017 No.16926880 >>16926877 www.amazon.co.jp

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 17:57:33 2017 No.16926881 >>16926877 >DJT library http://djt.netlify.com/

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 17:59:29 2017 No.16926895 >>16926877 nyaa

Anonymous Wed Apr 26 18:03:39 2017 No.16926918
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Anyone knows this kanji? I am transcribing manga to practice Japanese by translating it, but I hadn't seen this before and I don't even know how to write it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 18:04:30 2017 No.16926924 >>16926918 さ

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 18:04:40 2017 No.16926925 >>16926881 thanks dude

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 18:06:23 2017 No.16926930 >>16926924 I can't believe it was the font having the character drawn somewhat different. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 18:25:27 2017 No.16926997 >drop tae kim before the end and start reading >a month or two later I come back to finish >turns out I already knew most of the grammar I didn't do on tae kim from reading I feel like I should have started reading even sooner.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 18:29:40 2017 No.16927005 >>16926918 >I am transcribing manga to practice Japanese by translating it That's about the worst possible thing you can do.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 18:31:48 2017 No.16927010 >>16926918 If you couldn't recognize that symbol, then there is a lot of studying to do before "translating" manga.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 18:33:29 2017 No.16927013 >>16926456 （意訳版）俺の人生は不喜劇そのものだ至って自閉症である者、貧乏でガイジで現実逃避のため俺は過労死の尾を走り追う、理想の世界に目覚める、俺は毎日祈るつつ自分の死を願う文法ミスがあるなら、どうか指摘おください

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 18:41:50 2017 No.16927039 What are some good manga / light novel to read as a beginner?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 18:43:06 2017 No.16927045 >>16927039 The one you want to read the most.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 18:43:09 2017 No.16927046 >>16927039 よつばと！

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 19:08:27 2017 No.16927114 >>16912419 >>16926918 Apparently we had to do this twice in one thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 19:10:03 2017 No.16927116 can someone explain the title "子供はわかってあげない"? since i've seen the title, it's always confused me. てあげる just seems so odd to me when attached to わかる.

Anonymous Wed Apr 26 19:27:08 2017 No.16927163

>>16927046
Reading this, I feel like it takes much longer than it should just deciphering the slang. It's not that bad after a bit of reading, but for most that went from grammar books learning "proper" Japanese to this will be a little overwhelmed. I'd probably think VNs are better for beginners anyways, given how easy word lookup is.

Anonymous Wed Apr 26 19:37:55 2017 No.16927203

>>16927163
I've seen that no matter what you start with you'll struggle at first. I remember the first thing I did as soon as I started was play the Love Plus games. Oh boy, it was mentally draining to even go through the "mails" the girls send you.

However it gets better over time, but I would really recommend reading whatever you want instead of going through the "easy" ones. I remember mining some words from To Love Ru: Darkness since it was fairly easy to read, maintained my interest through the power of ero and I was desperate so always relied on raws anyways.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 20:08:08 2017 No.16927342 >>16927163 Yotsuba is probably the easiest ways to learn that slang thanks to the Yotsuba Reading Pack.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 20:11:20 2017 No.16927355 >>16927342 Out of curiosity, what slangs are you guys talking about? Stuff like saying あい sounds as えー and shit?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 20:25:32 2017 No.16927401 高校時代からストーカー的に想いを寄せる境（さかい）先輩と、アルバイト先の喫茶店で再会を果たす。でも、いけない。先輩は世界の英雄で、そして奥さんのものだから。SF×不倫の異色の恋愛を描くのは、弱冠24歳の俊英。 >そして奥さんのものだから。 What does that mean?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 20:32:41 2017 No.16927420 >>16927401 He is his wife's thing. He belongs to his wife.

Anonymous Wed Apr 26 20:44:02 2017 No.16927460

>>16927203
I think you need some restraint on just picking up whatever you want, since you still want to enjoy what you're reading and not have it feel like a chore. I'll probably be in the same position anyways, since I can't seem to find a beginner VN that isn't a moege or actually has a plot. It'll be a bog either way.

>>16927355
I struggled with contractions, like それでは to そりゃ or 言っていた to 言ってた when I first started.

Anonymous Wed Apr 26 20:49:55 2017 No.16927479
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I've got a few questions regarding this page

1.
>今の下だろう

I'm guessing 今の is an abbreviation for another word because の can only be the subject particle in relatives clauses, and "under of now" doesn't make sense. What's the use of の here?

2.
>ヒモの下だって

I'm guessing this isn't だって meaning "too/even/because" and that it's just ヒモの下だ with って signifying that this is what he observed/saw, is this correct?

3.
>上だっつーの

In Tae Kim's "Casual Patterns and Slang" lesson he gives examples of っつうの meaning like an exasperated "I said X" but I'm not sure where this comes from. というの doesn't have this meaning, so should it just be considered a separate expression? Also, とーちゃん is making that statement for the first time (he's not repeating himself), so I don't know how any statement like っつうの meaning "I said ~" would be valid.

4.
>通ってだな

What is this? I'm guessing he's just using 通って to mean "go over-and" and だな as a verbal pause before explaining the rest in the next panel, is this correct?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 21:00:21 2017 No.16927515 How many new words do you guys learn per day? >inb4 anything less than 10

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 21:08:08 2017 No.16927551 >>16927479 >今の下だろう It's 今のは or 今のが. "The one just now" >ヒモの下だって Yes, it's だ copula + って quoting >上だっつーの "I'm telling you, it was above!" >通ってだな you are correct

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 21:12:42 2017 No.16927569 >>16927515 I shoot for 20. Only got 10 in today.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 21:13:32 2017 No.16927574 can somebody explain the grammar in >ちゃっちゃと終わらせちまおうぜ I just don't get the らせちまおう part

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 21:14:08 2017 No.16927577 >>16927515 10 since 20 would require a lot of reading that I don't have time for.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 21:14:44 2017 No.16927580 >>16927574 終わらせてしまおうぜ

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 21:20:32 2017 No.16927598 >>16927551 Thanks

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 21:25:41 2017 No.16927612 Does there exist a gameplay VN that surpasses Evenicle?

Anonymous Wed Apr 26 21:27:49 2017 No.16927620

>>16927574
>explain the grammar
終わる + あ form of last character +せ can only be causative conjugation. So 終わらせる.
ちまう is a contraction of てしまう. So 終わらせてしまう = 終わらせちまう when you are a lazy shit.
お sound of last character + う can only be volitional form conjugation.

So it's 終わる in causative form + てしまう in volitional form. The contraction is not really hard to guess, so you probably need to work on your conjugation skills most likely.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 21:29:32 2017 No.16927626 >>16927620 I was having trouble understanding the causative plus the volition, but I get it now. Shit still gives me issues.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 21:49:12 2017 No.16927697 >終わら動詞「終わる」の未然形 >せ使役の助動詞「せる」の連用形 >て接続助詞「て」 >しまお完了などの補助動詞「しまう」の未然形 >う推量の助動詞「う」の終止形

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 23:43:44 2017 No.16928042 Found an article just for you guys https://matome.naver.jp/odai/2136432617198371401

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 26 23:55:09 2017 No.16928069 When you say ケツ, is it more applicable to the anus or the whole ass region?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 27 00:11:46 2017 No.16928122 >>16928069 尻 is to ケツ as buttocks/bottom is to ass.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 27 00:21:51 2017 No.16928144 >>16927515 Left it at 20 in Anki, but I learn a lot more than that from reading whether I like it or not.

Anonymous Thu Apr 27 00:23:13 2017 No.16928150
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To all of the advanced people: what really got you to reach the next level? I feel like I haven't progressed much at all lately and that there is something very important missing from my studies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 27 00:27:04 2017 No.16928163 >>16909897 is it bad that I started jacking off, and came at 16:12? I don't regret it.

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