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Anonymous Thu Apr 13 12:31:33 2017 No.16857333 [Reply] [Original]

I was considering posting this over at /jp/ but I figure I'd try /a/ first since there's a good chance that you anons might actually have more experience in this matter

/mu/tant here

Why do you anons simply flail around your arms and flick your wrists with glow sticks at shows?

To be more specific,I'm having a difficult time understanding live Idol concerts and what kind of atmosphere they're supposed to have.

Can someone that's been to a handful of Idol shows shed some light?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 12:33:29 2017 No.16857334 Take just a short glance at /jp/'s catalog and take at look at our catalog and see why you're an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 12:36:38 2017 No.16857335 Probably the same reason kids throw themselves at each other at metal concerts. It's fun and makes you feel like you're a part of something.

Anonymous Thu Apr 13 12:36:53 2017 No.16857336

>>16857334
numbers anon

/jp/ is slow as shit and scarcely populated

/a/ is one of the more popular boards,thus more numbers,which means a better chance at someone redpilling me on idol shows

/mu/ is too busy with merzbow and other shit that is completely unrelated.

You do go to shows,don't you /a/non?

I mean,you go outside in general,don't you?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 12:40:24 2017 No.16857337 >>16857336 /jp/ is absolutely loaded with different idol generals that regularly go over the post limit, that's your best stop

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 12:47:19 2017 No.16857338 >>16857333 If you don't have glowing sticks, a lot of people will be just standing with their arms crossed and just "listening" to music. That's my guess

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 12:53:06 2017 No.16857339 File: 1.97 MB, 1920x1371, 1470141311383.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is now a Miku thread.

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Anonymous Thu Apr 13 12:55:47 2017 No.16857342

>>16857337
and it's the same dozen or so IP's
sample size is too small

>>16857338
That's totally acceptable to do at a lot of shows,especially with genres like jazz or shoegaze

However Idols play mostly pop music,but not just any pop music,some clusterfuck blend of modern pop,funk,jazz,metal,punk,and pretty much everything inbetween.

Teeny boppers at One Direction shows are jumping up and down while doing modern dance moves,Garth Brooks shows have people line dancing, even Kenny G has people slow dancing and smoking cigarettes.

With all of the different genres associated,is it just easier for everyone to resort to glow sticks and arm flailing?

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>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:00:58 2017 No.16857347 >>16857342 >just arm flailing You're fucking retarded and ignorant. https://youtu.be/B7dQ5XGM7xE Also, /jp/ is smaller but much more vested in the topic. You're not going to get any help here.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:01:15 2017 No.16857349 >>16857346 >>16857345 >>16857344 >>16857343 >>16857341 >>16857340 >>16857339 Thank you for Miku-posting anon How do you feel about Vocaloid live shows?

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>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:03:54 2017 No.16857351 File: 859 KB, 1300x668, 1482414300325.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16857349 Never had the chance to go to one, but I'd love to!

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:04:54 2017 No.16857352 >>16857333 >To be more specific,I'm having a difficult time understanding live Idol concerts and what kind of atmosphere they're supposed to have. Just watch one https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=853489

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Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:05:11 2017 No.16857354

>>16857333
It started as a knockoff of electronic and rave music concerts with a similar concept, problem is most Japanese pedos that go to idol concerts are very shy individuals who don't even do psycodelic drugs in big quantities like their original European counterparts, so they ended up being autistic snorefests of social outcasts flicking their wrists

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>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:06:18 2017 No.16857356 >>16857333 >Why do you anons Those are Japs dumb ass, not us.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:08:31 2017 No.16857359 Japanese bring glowsticks to any kind of live, not only idol ones.

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Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:14:11 2017 No.16857365

>>16857347
yeah,sorry anon

but there's no space to do that at a live show without opening up a pit for a singular,specific song.Based on everyone's complacency however,would this be a dick move to pull off?

mind you,even hip hop shows have pits open up on occasion and fans enter to spit their own bars to the few occasional instrumental verses,sporadically that is.

>>16857352
I've seen a few,the camera work is shit and does nothing to capture the live atmosphere

>>16857354
this seems very plausible

>>16857356
That culture migrated to the states

I've only been to Miku Expo a few years back,and while I had a good time because I'm a fan of Vocaloid,the atmosphere threw me for a loop.Nobody interacting with anyone down on the floor,nobody bouncing up and down,and even during hype shit like PoPiPo everyone just flailed their arms.Granted it was pretty aggressive.Even Lady Gaga shows have people dancing to shit like Speechless.

fun fact,Miku opened up for Lady Gaga during her Monster's Ball tour

>>16857359
Nah,glow sticks seem to be unique to idol shows.You won't see glow sticks at a MoTFD show,that's for sure

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:14:19 2017 No.16857366 Going to a live idol concert would mean leaving my room. Why would I have any experience in that?

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>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:24:58 2017 No.16857372 >>16857342 >sample size anon if there are people who know about real life idols and how people act at concerts they're there, the amount is irrelevant You're barking up the wrong tree

Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:32:27 2017 No.16857373

>>16857365
Miku shit in merica is definitely not comparable to a real live. Especially the Miku part, I imagine it would feel pretty uncomfortable cheering on a recording playing.
In Japan there are crazy people doing wotagei stuff and idols are interacting with fans. Amount of hugging and jumping depends on autismo levels and atmosphere varies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:33:06 2017 No.16857374 This guy explains the basics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUldsLhOMtc Search for ヲタ芸 in YT and NicoNico if you want to know more about it visually.

Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:35:12 2017 No.16857375

>>16857365
You mean the fanbase of a type of music that is typically virgin neckbeards act like a bunch of weird autists at live shows? Really? No. Fucking. Way. You already knew this though so I don't really know why you're asking. The vast, vast majority of people on /a/ haven't been to an idol show and never will. Just because miku has occasional shows in NA doesnt mean it's a major thing here. If you legitimately care about the culture/behavior at the live shows ask people who actually go. But again youll just be answering a question with information you already have. "Why does this crowd of primarily autistic shut-ins act weird?? So strange, I don't get it..".

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:36:46 2017 No.16857376 Fuck off.

Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:42:55 2017 No.16857396

>>16857349
>How do you feel about Vocaloid live shows?

Different anon here.
I just want to point out that Crypton and SEGA have told us that all of the official Miku concerts lost money by themselves. The costs of creating a projection show is way higher than what the ticket sales could cover. The only reason they do them is because it is considered advertising for every other part of the Miku franchise. That is why they don't do that many tours, they don't want to bankrupt themselves.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:43:45 2017 No.16857399 Sasuga mods, keep dumping all the trash in /jp/

Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:46:49 2017 No.16857409

>>16857374
thank you for this anon,it's an interesting watch

>>16857373
Does this mean that JP Idol groups can't compete overseas due to cultural differences?

NA still has idol'esque acts and has for a long time (i.e boy bands) but their demographic is drastically different than Idol groups

>>16857399
all according to keikaku?

>>16857396
never considered what,if any profits had been made.

>>16857375
so,are you associating yourself with autists?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:49:40 2017 No.16857417 >>16857333 What do people normally do at concerts?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:51:31 2017 No.16857430 >>16857417 Listen to the music?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:51:56 2017 No.16857433 Don't send your dumbshit /a/ reject threads to /jp/

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:53:54 2017 No.16857445 >>16857409 >due to cultural differences? Sure

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:58:36 2017 No.16857461 >>16857417 Have seizures. Oh wait no it's white people """"dancing"""".

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 14:13:55 2017 No.16857542 >>16857417 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73d8pMnMbKg Stupid shit you can only do at at concerts.

dcanonymous Thu Apr 13 21:27:21 2017 No.16859190

>>16857333
>To be more specific,I'm having a difficult time understanding live Idol concerts and what kind of atmosphere they're supposed to have.

this atmosphere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YWNNL2lNGQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDWXQAYmVNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92ycHsTPiuU

Anonymous Fri Apr 14 05:05:37 2017 No.16860207

The actual reason for the ritualized otaku performances at idol shows is to prevent boredom.

If you're a fan of an idol group, you go to see them as much as you can. If you live in Tokyo this can mean twice a week. Of the same group, performing more or less the same songs over and over. So otaku become active participants of the show to keep from getting bored of the whole thing.

Glow sticks are just an easy thing to do in the dark. And then idols started colour-coding themselves so you use the appropriate colour to let your girl on stage know how many fans she has in the audience.

The atmosphere is somewhere between party and worship. You're there to support your girl, there to have fun with like-minded people, and for many you're there to indulge in a bit of self-delusion.

There's a kind of language of otaku behavior at idol concerts that has become codified over the years. So there's a sameness to it all where you can easily join in on the worship of any group, but again, individual fanbases invent new unique behaviors to stave of boredom.

Very rarely is it ever about the music. The music is a pretense to engage in it all. You might follow an idol group because you prefer their music over other idol groups, but the idols are the draw.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 16 07:12:17 2017 No.16870532 Bump because I'm interested but can't reply now.

Anonymous Sun Apr 16 09:35:20 2017 No.16870872
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>>16857349
I plan on going to next Magical Mirai. Can't wait for it, it's one of my life goals.

>>16857396
I think they only said that foreign concerts doesn't generate profits.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 16 10:07:58 2017 No.16870957 I don't understand why white people would obsess over idols. Surely a westerner living here would be able to do as well better for themselves on the dating market? They're nothing that special

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 16 11:57:32 2017 No.16871327 >>16870957 Where does "here" refer to? If you're the type of person to obsess over an idol then dating of the question anyway since you're obviously too autistic to have any success with it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 16 21:26:34 2017 No.16874092 >>16871327 Japan obviously

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 19 02:45:40 2017 No.16884392 >>16860207 not op This suprisingly makes sence

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