This pair would have easily won.

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Anonymous Sat Nov 29 02:35:07 2008 No.1682695 [Reply] [Original]

This pair would have easily won.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 02:39:58 2008 No.1682713 Well, no shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 02:39:58 2008 No.1682719 Nanaya's strength and endurance are more in the B range.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 02:40:58 2008 No.1682723 Aoko would just beam spam everyone

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 02:41:58 2008 No.1682728 >>1682695 In b4 Shiki can't kill servants

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 02:42:58 2008 No.1682735 >>1682728 He could if he was a servant too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 02:43:58 2008 No.1682738 >>1682719 I'd say D. Remember these rating's are based on superhuman servants, not normal humans. I agree with the rating on his agility though. Dude's like Spider-Man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 02:44:58 2008 No.1682749 Magic resistance and independant action aren't Assassin class abilities.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 02:45:58 2008 No.1682757 >>1682719 He's Assassin. Strength is unneeded. Endurance, however, is something that he excels in.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 02:48:58 2008 No.1682763 AGI isn't just speed, it's dexterity and skill with a weapon. B+ Rank at very least.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 02:49:58 2008 No.1682771 Charisma: EX is in his Skills tab. Tohno gland and whatnot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 02:52:07 2008 No.1682780 File: 71 KB, 800x600, assassin1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1682757 >>1682749 >>1682738 Fine, here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 02:54:58 2008 No.1682788 >>1682780 Now we're talking.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 02:58:58 2008 No.1682801 >>1682780 now do the abilities list.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:01:58 2008 No.1682810 What pair? Just Aoko would win. Shiki is superflous.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:05:58 2008 No.1682828 Aoko will kill everybody herself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:06:58 2008 No.1682833 >>1682810 Nah, she still needs Shiki to kill Saber. After that, he can pretty much just sit back and wait.

insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Sat Nov 29 03:10:58 2008 No.1682851

As a person, Saber may overlook Shiki if it weren't for her amazing instinct that will definitely tell her otherwise (A)

As a Servant, Saber's instincts will kick in instantly and cut Shiki in two the moment he tries to attack.

True Assassin had better stats than Shiki does and he got his ass kicked by Rider of all people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:13:58 2008 No.1682861 >>1682851 True Assassin sucks in actual combat. He has no battle sense at all. Shiki however....

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:13:58 2008 No.1682865 Judging from the comments about True Assassin in Heaven's Feel, Assassin servants don't normally fight other servants anyway. And you have to admit he would be an excellent anti-Master servant.

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 03:14:58 2008 No.1682867 >>1682851 If Shiki was of the Assassin class, with their class feat that helps avoid detection, she wouldn't be able to sense him at all (remember when Hassan snuck into Shirou's house?)

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:17:58 2008 No.1682883 >>1682735 I don't think he could kill servants even if he was a servant. But he may be able to 'kill' the link between master and servant. Sort of like a natural Rule Breaker.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:20:58 2008 No.1682899 >>1682883 Either his eyes or his knife would be a Noble Phantasm, so he could kill them. Maybe not easily, but he could kill them.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:21:58 2008 No.1682904

>>1682883
Well, this whole thing is going on the assumption that if Shiki was summoned into the Grail War, the MEoDP would be his Noble Phantasm (and a passive one at that -- kind of like Berserker's). What good is a Noble Phantasm if you can't use it on the other servants?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:21:58 2008 No.1682909 >>1682851 That was Sakura powered Rider though.

insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Sat Nov 29 03:22:58 2008 No.1682913

>>1682867
The problem here is that Hassan's Presence Concealment is only perfect when he's not going to attack. When he goes into the offense he becomes noticeable.

Shiki's not going to fight against Servants, definitely. He'll only go for the masters, which he would excel at.

Surprisingly, Shirou might actually be more of a problem for him than the other masters, since he has superhuman clairvoyance.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:28:58 2008 No.1682934

Serious Caster > Full power Aoko. NASU HAS SAID THIS EXPLICITELY. Shiki can't be a Servant because he's not part of the thrown of heroes. THIS IS OBVIOUS.

That said, Aoko is around equal to Lord El-Malloi II (Older Waver Velvet), so she's more powerful than any 5th War Master unless Dark Sakura counts. Aoko could probably parallel Kayneth El-Melloi and Tokiomi Tohsaka.

Shiki, going by his current stats, is perfect as you had him in the OP post, though the MEoDP is more like a Mystic Eyes type ability than a Noble Phantasm, and his knife's only ability as a conceptual weapon is to cut magecraft.

GET IT RIGHT, PEOPLE.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:29:58 2008 No.1682938 >>1682913 Still couldn't sense Assassin in HF.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:31:58 2008 No.1682946 >>1682934 Well no shit, we're having a hypothetical discussion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:32:58 2008 No.1682947 Shiki would also be able to blend with the crowd. Hell, he could even go to Shirou's school, if Aoko mindfucked the right people. His presence concealment would thus be GOD TIER.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:32:58 2008 No.1682950

Noble Phantasms:

Rank: C

Nanatsu-Yoru

"Blade of Seven Nights" Imbued with magical energy from his own being as well as the lineage of the Nanaya, this knife which was used to kill Dead Apostles negates armor and defense, but can only inflict minor damage by itself. The magical energy within it renders it nearly unbreakable.

Rank: EX

Mystic Eyes of Death Perception

The most rare and powerful of the "Mystic Eyes', his eyes allow him to perceive magical flow, rather than emitting it. These eyes allow him to see the natural death and decay of material objects, inanimate and biological. By severing these "deathlines", he can effectively destroy an object's "lifeline" regardless of defense or awareness. However, the strain placed on the body is immense, and endurance, concentration, and magical energy deplete quickly when in use. Continued use renders the user in a daze, knowing neither enemy nor friend. The user will continue to kill indiscriminately until they regain control or fall from exhaustion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:32:58 2008 No.1682952 >>1682934 Yeah, and UBW is a Reality Marble and not a Noble Phantasm.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:32:58 2008 No.1682956 >and his knife's only ability as a conceptual weapon is to cut magecraft. Wait, is this hypothetical or are you being serious?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:33:58 2008 No.1682961 >>1682950 I thought the eyes fried his mind, not make him insane

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:35:58 2008 No.1682969 >>1682950 MEoDP DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. THEY KILL HIM, NOT DRIVE HIM INSANE YOU FAGGOT.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:35:58 2008 No.1682970 >>1682934 The Grail could take heroes from the future. Assuming that Shiki becomes Satsujinki, he might become a hero.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:35:58 2008 No.1682972 Shiki would probably be an Avenger.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:35:58 2008 No.1682973

>>1682950
I'd just like to point out a few things.
One, OP's picture features Shiki Nanaya, thus no MEoDP.

Second, the strain from his eyes is only caused because Shiki's fleshy human body fails. Like with Shirou=>Archer this would no longer be the case. He could h4x with his eyes on 24/7 if he wished.

Third, evidentally the MEoDP aren't the rarest or highest ranking. I forget where I heard this htough.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:35:58 2008 No.1682974 >>1682961 This. Shiki's "insanity", for lack of a better term, is from his heritage, not his eyes and only manifests when demons are around.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:37:58 2008 No.1682980 >>1682950 MEoDP are still Jougan aligned to the Noble Color Blue. At the very highest it would be A rank since Cybele is Jewel an A+ Rank.

Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 03:37:58 2008 No.1682982

>>1682973
SHIKI TOHNO AND SHIKI NANAYA ARE THE SAME FUCKING PERSON FOR CHRIST'S SAKE

FORGET WHAT MELTY BLOOD HAS TAUGHT YOU
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHIKI, THE PROTAGONIST OF TSUKIHIME

sorry, had to get that off my chest.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:38:58 2008 No.1682984 >>1682973 >OP's picture features Shiki Nanaya, thus no MEoDP That's the Nanaya from the Tsukihime manga, not the Tatari version from Melty Blood. He does have the MEoDP

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:38:58 2008 No.1682985 >>1682973 I'd like to follow up and say that, since he'd be dead at this point and having become a servant, his comprehension of the death of things would be greatly improved. In turn, this makes his eyes even more h4x even against servants and such.

>>	insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Sat Nov 29 03:38:58 2008 No.1682987 >>1682970 A hero for mankind? Definitely not, considering how society is now. He might be well known amongst the supernatural, but if you tell normal people that there's this awesome assassin that kills vampires they'll just laugh.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:39:58 2008 No.1682992 >>1682982 no

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:39:58 2008 No.1682993 >>1682973 Rainbow-colored eyes are the highest ranking ones. MEoDP probably aren't even measured on the standard scale due to their uniqueness, which doesn't necessarily mean power.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:40:58 2008 No.1682996 >>1682993 what do rainbow eyes do?

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 03:40:58 2008 No.1682997 >>1682982 Ryougi Shiki, Nanaya Shiki, Tohno SHIKI, Nanaya Shiki Nightmare, Fake Shiki. Too many fucking Shiki. Next, they'll make a Mech Shiki. Or a Neco Arc Shiki.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:40:58 2008 No.1682998 >>1682996 No clue, but Crimson Moon had them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:41:58 2008 No.1683002 >>1682996 Only person that has them is the Crimson Moon. Rainbow > Jewel > Noble Colors (Blue > Green > Red) > Artificial

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:41:58 2008 No.1683004

>>1682982
>>1682984
Well no shit, I know that, I was talking in a philosophical sense. Shiki Nanaya as he should've grown up to be is "dead" with Shiki Tohno being "born" in place of him. If the Grail didn't discriminate against famous beings then one could summon something that "died" from a philosophical standpoint.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:41:58 2008 No.1683005 >>1682956 "It's old enough so it could do it." Basically Nasu hasn't decided yet, but says it could happen.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:41:58 2008 No.1683007

It's definitely not in Shiki's personality to voluntarily add himself to the throne of heroes. He's just like 'man, what's the deal with all of you guys? Life is pain and you have to follow the seven-fold path to minimize your suffering. Let's have some fun.'

He'd have to get dragged in by people telling his story.

>>1682972
Possibly.

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 03:43:58 2008 No.1683011 >>1683004 You're talking about the Nanaya from Kagetsu Tohya then? But the guy in the OP's image is clearly "Let's die together, Nero Chaos" Shiki from the manga.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:44:42 2008 No.1683017 File: 41 KB, 852x480, 1221756642556.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1682996 They kill gods.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:44:58 2008 No.1683014 >>1682987 Isn't he trying to save the world in Tsukihime 2? If so, that could put him or a big enough scale.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:46:58 2008 No.1683026 >>1683007 Seconded.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:48:58 2008 No.1683036

>>1683014
But only if humanity knows about it. For Shiki to become a heroic spirit, humans would have to have their eyes opened to the truth about vampires and magic and the like. That would cause a shitstorm of catastrophic proportions. I'm sure The Church would rather Shiki die than have that happen.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 03:50:58 2008 No.1683046 >>1683014 Not the world. Just Arc. Or possibly Altrouge... or Enhance, depending on whether or not Tsukihime 2 ever is made, and whether or no Altrouge is really a heroine... and whether or not Nasu adds a gay route.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:50:58 2008 No.1683047 >>1683036 Wait a thousand years then. I mean, myths now had to do with magic n shit. No reason a thousand tears from now people can't look back and go "lol magic"

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:50:58 2008 No.1683051 >>1683036 no one knew about fake assassin, and he was summonable. The mage would need a sample of Shiki's semen for the summoning or something.

insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Sat Nov 29 03:51:58 2008 No.1683054

>>1683014
He'll go unrecognized. And as we all know, the only way for an unrecognized hero to become something like a Heroic Spirit is to be a Counter Guardian. Shiki's not the type of person to do something like that.

Besides, saving the world isn't that great of an accomplishment when you live in an age where people save or destroy the world all the time without even realizing it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:52:58 2008 No.1683059 >>1683051 His Knife or Glasses would do fine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:52:58 2008 No.1683061 >>1683007 Well, If people created a VN or series about him and his adventures, which managed to be pretty popular around the world, then there'd be a lot of people who'd know his legend.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:53:58 2008 No.1683065 >>1682984 No. No he doesn't.

>>	insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Sat Nov 29 03:54:58 2008 No.1683070 >>1683051 Kojirou was an actual legend that was known by plenty of people. The only problem that he had was this whole "not real lol" thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:56:58 2008 No.1683083 >>1683065 Yes. Yes he does.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:56:58 2008 No.1683084 >>1683065 Yes, he does. Or did that whole Nrvnsqr fight never even happen?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:57:58 2008 No.1683098 >>1683051 And this is perhaps easier to find than the air we breathe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:58:58 2008 No.1683102 >>1683017 that's not rainbow

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 03:58:58 2008 No.1683103

>>1683014
Way it was implied, and considering Shiki's personality I don't think he'd consider events on that large of a scale. His primary motivation in TALK was to save Arcueid. I think that in Tsukihime 2 that will be the driving force behind his actions, assuming we ever get a Tsukihime 2.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:02:58 2008 No.1683137 Aoko has fucking true magic, im sure she can bypass saber's magic resistance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:03:58 2008 No.1683144 >>1683137 Avalon

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:03:58 2008 No.1683147 >>1683011 That was from Roa's influence, though. Nasu said so. Killing Arc, too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:04:58 2008 No.1683155 Okay, where can I get this "Talk" everyone's talking about? all my google-fu is telling me is that it's a side story but I have no idea what format it's in or where to get a translated version. Also, what this about "Satsujinki"?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:05:32 2008 No.1683160 File: 467 KB, 1120x1600, shiki vs shirou.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm just leaving this here...

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:06:58 2008 No.1683167 >>1683147 Pretty sure Nasu also said that those abilities and instincts were dormant is his bloodline. So either Nasu is contradicting himself (something I find very possible at this point), or you're mistaken.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:06:58 2008 No.1683168 >>1683083 >>1683084 The TATARI Nanaya and Kagetsu Tohya's Nanaya did not have the MEoDP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:06:58 2008 No.1683169 >>1683147 Wasn't that just his Nanaya-blood-kill-nonhumans thing?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:07:58 2008 No.1683174 >>1683144 All you have to do is run away everytime saber uses avalon. She has no fucking mana, shirou sucks for that.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 04:07:58 2008 No.1683176

>>1683147
No. No, it wasn't. Shiki became that way with Nero because he truly wanted Nero to die, and Nero set him off.

Arc was a combination of his own bloodlust and being weakened. Roa wasn't even aware of a link between SHIKI and Shiki at that point.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:07:58 2008 No.1683179 >>1683147 Yeah, and killing Akiha was Roa's influence too, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:09:58 2008 No.1683190 >>1683179 TRYING to kill Akiha.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:10:58 2008 No.1683193 >>1683168 You completely misunderstood my post in >>1682984 I was referring to the manga Shiki. I was using tatari Nanaya as a contrast.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:10:58 2008 No.1683196 >>1683167 The abilities, yeah, but the psychotic streak? That's all Roa's Impulse. You know, we had a discussion last night about how about half the characters got it at some point. Akiha in Kohaku's route, for instance. And Ciel way back when. Yeah.

insanezero !VUNofZD8jM Sat Nov 29 04:11:58 2008 No.1683198

>>1683167
95% of all Nasu's so-called "contradictions" are really just the words of misinformed people that don't pay attention.

I mean, stuff like this >>1683051 was practically spelled out for you in F/SN three times in a row and yet people still get it wrong.

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 04:12:58 2008 No.1683208 >>1683196 Roa says so himself, but he's only trying to psych Shiki out before the final battle.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:12:58 2008 No.1683209 I'd prefer an Aoko R. Shiki pair. >>1683155 http://nrvnqsr.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=walk&action=display&thread=3213

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 04:15:58 2008 No.1683222

>>1683190
Look at Shiki's thoughts before Akiha gently impales Kohaku. Look at them after.

The man switches thought processes completely. He doesn't even considerations beyond thinking about the battle.

Reason he doesn't kill Akiha is because he thinks about something unnecessary right before making his attack, throwing off his thought process completely.

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 04:15:58 2008 No.1683224 >>1683209 I think there's a nicely illustrated version on /rs/.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:16:12 2008 No.1683229
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>>1683196
Shiki got the psychotic streak only on Ciel route. In Akiha's route there were only dreams due to his connection to SHIKI.

When Shiki tried to kill Akiha in this scene (pardon the Akinator), it was because of the Nanaya abilities, not because Roa-SHIKI influence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:17:58 2008 No.1683236 >>1683209 >R. Shiki Interesting, but what class would she be? She doesn't fit the role of Assassin like Nanaya Shiki does.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:19:58 2008 No.1683245

>>1683208

Which way are you saying? He said "you're a killer" to psyche him out, and it works, and then he said "Lolno that's me doing that faggot" and proceeds to maul Shiki. And then Shiki gets angry and does the thing Roa says he's been doing to him. So at least we know Shiki is capable of it.

Also, versus Akiha, since his bloodline WAS made for fighting demons, but not vampires and the like, he does go Nanaya on her. Akiha, on the other hand, is inverting, but Roa is (ironically thankfully) keeping her from inverting completely but making her really yandere in the process.

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 04:22:58 2008 No.1683259 >>1683245 You're right, my memory was wrong. Thanks for jogging it. I guess it's just Nasu inconsistency.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 04:25:58 2008 No.1683273 >>1683259 Nasu is highly inconsistent. No big deal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:26:58 2008 No.1683276 >>1683236 I'd say Saber due to the katana. Or hell, Archer (none of them have ever been TRUE archers).

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:28:58 2008 No.1683284 >>1683236 She fits Assassin in the same sense that Kojiro does.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:31:58 2008 No.1683295 >>1683276 EMIYA is a true Archer, just not a pure one.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 04:35:58 2008 No.1683309

>>1683259

I see no inconsistency. Roa was omnipresent throughout Tsukihime: every bad thing in the entire game can be directly traced back to him. Kohaku going crazy? She would have just killed herself had he not been implanted in her via SHIKI raping her. The reason why he's such a pathetic bitch is because none of the bad things he does EVER work out for him; indeed, he ends up screwing himself over in every route. Well, it's not like he can control it, he's more like a bunch of memories and an impulse to do bad shit more than an actual person by then, and the memories were lost to everyone but SHIKI and Shiki in Ciel's route.

Nanaya of Kagetsu Tohya and Melty Blood is more like Shiki's leftover doubt of actually being a killer naturally, bloodline and all. In fact, had Shiki not had his family killed by Makihisa and Kouma, then that IS how he would have turned out, hence why Nanaya DOES NOT HAVE THE MEoDP.

Get it now?

Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 04:41:58 2008 No.1683338

>>1683309
Please don't make things up to suit your convenience.

>Kohaku going crazy? She would have just killed herself had he not been implanted in her via SHIKI raping her
Complete bullshit.

>Well, it's not like he can control it, he's more like a bunch of memories and an impulse to do bad shit more than an actual person by then, and the memories were lost to everyone but SHIKI and Shiki in Ciel's route.
Incomplete bullshit. When Roa appears as Roa, you're wrong. When SHIKI appears as SHIKI, you're right. Basically, the demonic impulse is stronger than Roa's will. If SHIKI inverts, Roa cannot control him. Same for Akiha, in the route she plunders him.

>Nanaya of Kagetsu Tohya and Melty Blood is more like Shiki's leftover doubt of actually being a killer naturally, bloodline and all. In fact, had Shiki not had his family killed by Makihisa and Kouma, then that IS how he would have turned out, hence why Nanaya DOES NOT HAVE THE MEoDP.
True, but irrelevant to the discussion.
I've said so before, and I'm not going to repeat myself.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 04:45:58 2008 No.1683361

>>1683245
You're forgetting Sacchin. Hisui or Kohaku route, when Sacchin goes vampire on Shiki, he doesn't thrash about and wonder about what to do. He goes straight into killing mode.

When Sacchin says that Shiki is a liar because he said he'd help her, his answer is simply "I don't know anything about that."

Then he fucks her up.

The whole time, he's not thinking anything but "Kill." And not "KILLKILLKILLKILLRAPEKILLKILLKILLKILL" like with Roa, just "Kill."

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 04:47:58 2008 No.1683367 >>1683361 She beats him up first, iirc.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 04:49:58 2008 No.1683380

>>1683367
Puts her blood into him. When he understand what it is, his body takes over completely. He says the "body of Tohno Shiki separates itself from the mind and soul."

Kills her blood, listens to her berate him impassively, then impales her.

Then he wakes up consciously, realizing he'd killed her. Joy!

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 04:53:58 2008 No.1683399 >>1683380 His blood takes over, yeah. But he didn't "go Nanaya", so to speak, until he was dying. Hah, one might even call it an inversion impulse.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 04:57:58 2008 No.1683417

>>1683399
It's more in line with what he with with Akiha than saying "Roa was influencing him lol"

He didn't see Sacchin as "prey," just "kill her immediately." Didn't get any pleasure out of it. She was just something that needed killing.

That's the difference between the two lines of thought. Him stalking Arcueid was like "SO KNIFED HER I'M GONNA ORGASM TWO TIMES AT ONCE." Him killing Sacchin and Akiha was like "Got it? This is what it means to kill."

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 04:59:58 2008 No.1683424 >>1683417 He also wanted to violate Akiha, though. If I recall correctly, anyway.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 05:00:58 2008 No.1683429 >>1683424 I don't recall that at all. The only thing he wanted to do with Akiha was cut her fucking neck off as soon as possible. There was no thought of violation. Just immediate and summary execution.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 05:01:58 2008 No.1683431

>>1683338

And of course Anonymous Jones proves once again he knows nothing of what he's talking about.

>>When Roa appears as Roa, you're wrong. When SHIKI appears as SHIKI, you're right. Basically, the demonic impulse is stronger than Roa's will. If SHIKI inverts, Roa cannot control him.

This was never brought up, the point was that Roa was no longer a person but a bunch of memories and an impulse to kill people and suck their blood. An Inversion Impulse makes you want to destroy everything and to a lesser extent eat flesh. Everything else you're right on.

>>Same for Akiha, in the route she plunders him.

It's not merely that she plundered him from SHIKI, it's more like the "life" went to her, and Roa went with it. Akiha's impulse isn't nearly as strong as SHIKI's, so Roa was able to control it and influence Akiha. Without his memories slowly flooding you, Roa's influence isn't that bad, but at least it made her get angry and go yandere.

About Kohaku: lurk more.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 05:05:58 2008 No.1683445

>>1683431
Anonymous Jones is right. Also, you're wrong about inversion impulse. It's not a specific set of thoughts. Inversion impulse just causes you to polarize your priorities.

Akiha before inverting wanted to protect Shiki more than anything. After inverting, she wanted to possess Shiki more than anything, even if it meant completely vaporizing him.

SHIKI wanted to protect Akiha when he was younger. He really loved her. He also considered Shiki like a brother. Didn't care that much for his father or his position. Just wanted to have fun.

After inverting, he completely flipped and wanted to destroy Akiha. Hated Shiki. Wanted more than anything to resume being the "real" Tohno Shiki.

Inversion impulse just polarizes your priorities. Roa was the thing that made SHIKI want to eat people. He was the "crazy guy in my head" that SHIKI was referring to.

Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 05:11:58 2008 No.1683476

>>1683429
I'm talking about the scene where he sees Akiha in the garden, not the fight scene.

>>1683431
>About Kohaku: lurk more.
I've concluded that you simply must be trolling here.
Nevertheless, I will respond to the rest of your post.

>This was never brought up, the point was that Roa was no longer a person but a bunch of memories and an impulse to kill people and suck their blood. An Inversion Impulse makes you want to destroy everything and to a lesser extent eat flesh. Everything else you're right on.
The difference between the Near and Far side routes was SHIKI's inversion eight years ago. In the Near side, Roa gains control - or, the soul/will of Roa, if that's how you want to put it. In the Far side, SHIKI gives in to the impulses of his body and Roa is just a voice shouting in the back of his head. An Inversion Impulse is the body's will dominating the conscious will and nothing more. For demon hybrids, this is a complete personality reversal-- SHIKI went from nice guy to flesh-eating demon.

>It's not merely that she plundered him from SHIKI, it's more like the "life" went to her, and Roa went with it. Akiha's impulse isn't nearly as strong as SHIKI's, so Roa was able to control it and influence Akiha. Without his memories slowly flooding you, Roa's influence isn't that bad, but at least it made her get angry and go yandere.
Maybe I was unclear here. Akiha plundered SHIKI, and made him a part of herself. However, Akiha's blood is much more powerful than SHIKI's (re-read Tsukihime if you don't believe me) and she had already inverted, so again, Roa was useless.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 05:13:58 2008 No.1683492

>>1683445

But it seems like that only occurs after the real inversion. Remember, when SHIKI initially went crazy, he just went berserk. Same thing with Akiha. They only seemed to actually "invert" after the fact at the point where Roa is trying to take pseudo control but can't deposit his memories. They also seem to become vampiric at this point.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 05:13:58 2008 No.1683497 Could Shiki shoot someone in there point of death and have the same effect as stabbing them in it?

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 05:14:58 2008 No.1683505 >>1683492 Read my post >>1683476, I tried to explain this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 05:16:58 2008 No.1683519 >>1683497 If it did, he'd be one badass Archer servant.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 05:17:58 2008 No.1683529 >>1683476 Let me Ctrl through that path and see. It's been a bit for that particular scene.

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 05:18:58 2008 No.1683531 >>1683497 Not unless the bullet was an extension of himself, so no.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 05:19:58 2008 No.1683542

>>1683476
>>However, Akiha's blood is much more powerful than SHIKI's

That depends. If you're saying her blood is purer and taking her over faster than SHIKI's is for him, then you're absolutely wrong because Makihisa's Journal said that he was already having trouble fighting his inversion, but if you're saying her blood gives her a stronger ability, then yeah, that sounds right.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 05:20:58 2008 No.1683546 >>1683531 So...He has to actually be holding the weapon that cuts a line of death? But...wait hows that work? I thought his eyes only let him SEE the lines of death, not that the eyes themselves were cutting the lines.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 05:20:58 2008 No.1683550 >>1683542 SHIKI's blood is purer, which is why he inverted faster, but Akiha's is of a much older origin. Hers is bounds more powerful.

Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 05:24:58 2008 No.1683562

>>1683542
This post >>1683550 is correct.

>>1683546
His eyes let him see the death of all things. However, that death is only realized if he is the one doing the cutting (or another MEoDP user, presumably). If anyone else cuts that line, it's just another part of that object, right?

In order for the kill to count as "Shiki cutting the line", the cut has to be made by Shiki or some extension of Shiki (i.e. nanatsuya)

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 05:24:58 2008 No.1683565 >>1683546 Well if its any consolation, he can use his hands to cut the lines, which is pretty badass.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 05:28:58 2008 No.1683590 >>1683565 Fingernails, actually. What he uses needs to have some theoretical edge.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 05:30:58 2008 No.1683602 >>1683590 Which is why it's believed his penis could not cut lines, unless it were very pointy.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 05:31:58 2008 No.1683614

>>1683562
>His eyes let him see the death of all things. However, that death is only realized if he is the one doing the cutting (or another MEoDP user, presumably). If anyone else cuts that line, it's just another part of that object, right?
Correct. Don't you think It'd be easy to cut someone's lines by chance? Like you go to visit your dying grampa, touch his shoulder to wake him up and the entire fucking arm falls off.
What the fuck.

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 05:32:58 2008 No.1683616 >>1683590 Depends on the thickness of the lines. An edge is only needed if the line is thinner than his finger. Things like The Dead would be easy to tear apart by hand.

Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 05:34:58 2008 No.1683625

>>1683602
see >>1683616
Most lines are thinner than a finger, so even a Japanese like Shiki's pＯnＯs will not be able to cut lines.
Unless she's about to die in childbirth or something, in which case it would be possible.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 05:37:58 2008 No.1683640 >>1683529 Now that I think about it, I still can't get the Akiha Normal end where you kill her. I'm either too nice or too mean to get the option.

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 05:39:58 2008 No.1683650 >>1683640 You just pick the other choice on the last fork. That's how it is for all of the Tsukihime routes.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 05:43:58 2008 No.1683675 >>1683650 I've gotten Akiha Normal and True. I'm talking about the bad end where you kill her instead of becoming her feed toy or killing yourself.

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 05:48:58 2008 No.1683694 >>1683675 Oh. The one mirrormoon's more recent patches call an ending? Use the flowchart, I guess. I remember playing for completion and playing every single bad end, but that's not for everyone.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 05:56:58 2008 No.1683738 Then maybe he could do what Kiritsugu does and take a part of his bones infuse it in a bullet and shoot a dot out. Since by Nasu logic that infuses your concept into the bullet, hence it would be a part of him.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:00:58 2008 No.1683757

Also concerning the Tsukihime manga he didn't cut the line with his hand on that one dog of Nrvnsqr's.

Rather he stabbed the dog with his hand, and the surrounding area became weaker so naturally his eyes would then perceive a line appearing. At which point he can cut the line he created.

Fuck the man can make his own lines.

Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 06:01:58 2008 No.1683760

>>1683738
It's possible.
Also, he could learn enough magic to materialize the crocodile in his arm, and maybe more (we're never told how many beasts are used in the reconstruction). Those would still count as "part of Shiki". Crow-spam, maybe? He has the potential -- Arc says so, anyway -- and one of the KT stories hints at the possibility.

It's pretty much open-ended, since we don't know much more about Satsujinki.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 06:13:58 2008 No.1683827

>>1683476
Going back over that scene, his first thoughts when seeing her hair was "Kill her.", which is the standard Nanaya answer.

It was only an afterthought that "RAPE." popped into his mind, and he linked it with his dreams, which is probably SHIKI's influence there.

So Shiki's answer to anything unnatural is to kill it, unless influenced by RoSHIaKI.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:15:58 2008 No.1683842 >>1683675 >>1683694 Wait, which one is a normal ending and which one a bad end As far as I know, the one where you become Akiha's food is a bad-end treated like a normal end by Mirrormoon. The one where you suicide is the normal one.

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 06:16:58 2008 No.1683848 >>1683827 Fair enough.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:16:58 2008 No.1683855 >>1683760 Wat Weren't we talking about Shiki?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:21:58 2008 No.1683891 >>1683855 Shiki was like, in pieces essentially after the fight with Nero. Arcuied used bits of Nero to patch him up.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 06:25:58 2008 No.1683915 >>1683891 Nero bits. Tasty.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:26:58 2008 No.1683920 >>1683891 But that doesn't mean he can use them, right?

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 06:27:58 2008 No.1683928 >>1683920 It does. Re-read that scene, and/or read Kagetsu Tohya.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:28:58 2008 No.1683932 >>1683915 Nero Bits! New Chicken Flavor! >>1683920 It's been really long, but I think Arcueid did something to keep the Nero parts in check? Shiki could theoretically learn to control the Nero bits.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:29:58 2008 No.1683938 >>1683920 He could learn to, but he probably won't considering his reaction when he learned about it.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 06:31:58 2008 No.1683947

>>1683932
Arcueid thought Nero's remains wouldn't do anything since Nero's existence was wiped out. She misjudged, once again, Nero, by forgetting that he was chaos. He wasn't Nero: he was 666 beasts + Fabro Rowan.

The pieces that she used, assuming they were benign, were still alive inside. They broke free because of that.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:31:58 2008 No.1683954

>>1683928
I don't remember that part from the Arcueid route. But I do remember Arcueid mentioning on Ciel's route that if Ciel had allowed her to fix Shiki he'd be much better than originally. Or something like that.

Is that also in one of the side-stories of Kagetsu Tohya?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:33:58 2008 No.1683962 >>1683954 In one of the side stories a part from the collective Nero bits regained self-awareness and ran off. I'll play it safe and assume you haven't read through it yet and leave it at that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:35:58 2008 No.1683969 Crow spammin' Shiki? I hate to think about it.

Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 06:36:58 2008 No.1683972

>>1683954
Some playthroughs you get injured, some you don't. I think it's dependent on your arc points.
It can happen in both Arc and Ciel's routes. Also, in Ciel's route you can sometimes get a ring of protection, for all the good that does you (it never gets mentioned again)

And yes, Shiki wakes the girl Nero ate in the park in one of the KT side-stories, by performing some magic Arc taught him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:37:58 2008 No.1683976 >>1683972 There's that one really bad end where the beasts just outright maul you if you don't have that ring. That's about it though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:38:56 2008 No.1683981 File: 59 KB, 640x480, akiha ciel lunch.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1683962 Yeah, I'm still going through KT. Only unlocked 4 sidestories so far. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:41:58 2008 No.1683993 >>1683972 >>1683976 >ring of protection >There's that one really bad end where the beasts just outright maul you if you don't have that ring. wat Now I have to play Ciel route all over again, and choose all the wrong choices.

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 06:41:58 2008 No.1683997 >>1683976 Oh yeah, you're right. Forgot about that one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:41:58 2008 No.1683998 >>1683993 If I remember right, it happens in the hotel, but I have no idea what the exact choices are.

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 06:42:58 2008 No.1684005 >>1683993 Ciel's route really is one of the best. If only she weren't such a mediocre character :S

>>	iRage !RAGEpq8/Ww Sat Nov 29 06:44:06 2008 No.1684017 File: 32 KB, 220x240, inko.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1684005 >:S agreed though, the end is awesome

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:45:58 2008 No.1684027 >>1684005 My favorite route was Akiha's. But Indeed, out of all 5, Ciel's route was about the most awesome.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:47:58 2008 No.1684039 Kohaku > Akiha = Ciel > Arcueid = Hisui Is what I'd rank the routes. I still like them all though, they all have their own certain charming parts and awesome moments.

>>	iRage !RAGEpq8/Ww Sat Nov 29 06:47:58 2008 No.1684046 >>1684039 Likewise, though my character ranking is different.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:49:58 2008 No.1684053

>>1684027
Wasn't there a scene in Akiha's path where Shiki throws his knife, freaking wall runs PAST his thrown knife, and all sorts of other crazy crap?

Unless I'm just making stuff up, that should be awesome enough to claim most awesome path title.

...

Unless that was during Ciel's path.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:52:48 2008 No.1684066 File: 198 KB, 1280x960, 1212448318493.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1684053 I don't remember that happening. But if someone verifies it, I'm replaying Tsukihime just for that scene. Pic related, awesome bad end.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:54:03 2008 No.1684074
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>>1684053
I don't remember that. Neither in Akiha's or Ciel.

Ciel route was the most awesome in terms of HOLY FUCK Shiki = AWESOME. Ciel being such a mediocre character and SUPRESSING ROA H-scene kinda ruined it.

I place Akiha on my top of all routes due to how the relationship develops. Specially since she has no happy endings unless you read KT

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:54:58 2008 No.1684075 >>1684066 I could've sworn something like that happened. Shit, I'm gonna go reply Tsukihime. It's been really long anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:56:42 2008 No.1684085 File: 64 KB, 481x600, akiha angry 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1684066

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 06:56:58 2008 No.1684086 >>1684053 Not in Akiha's, no. The wallrun is in Akiha's path. The throw the knife, then flip past it thing is from Kagetsu Tohya. IIRC it's called Kyokushi Nanaya.

>>	iRage !RAGEpq8/Ww Sat Nov 29 06:57:58 2008 No.1684092 >>1684086 Oh god, that reminds me, there was this crappy warcraft 3 map that had that as a move for shiki.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:58:38 2008 No.1684096 File: 73 KB, 226x297, akiha is not amused.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1684066 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Akiha ;_;

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 06:58:58 2008 No.1684094 >>1684053 >>1684086 Nanaya's last arc where he throws the knife then breaks your neck or whatever?

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 07:01:58 2008 No.1684109 >>1684094 That's the one.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 07:01:58 2008 No.1684111 >>1684094 No, he doesn't just break your neck. He rips your spine out along with your head. In mid air. Nightmare Nanaya breaks the fucking rules of physics.

>>	iRage !RAGEpq8/Ww Sat Nov 29 07:02:58 2008 No.1684116 >>1684092 OH CRAP I STILL HAVE THE MAP, BRB, USING FRAPS TO FILM IT

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:03:12 2008 No.1684118 File: 175 KB, 620x344, 1220933627868.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1684111 >He rips your spine out along with your head. In mid air. Jesus fucking christ. Now I have to replay both Tsukihime and Kagetsu Tohya now. It's been way too long.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 07:04:58 2008 No.1684126 >>1684118 After jumping so fast that he arrives at your body at the same time as the knife he threw. So he basically impales you with a thrown knife to your heart while ripping your head off. God damn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:05:58 2008 No.1684129 >>1684111 Physics? What physics? There is only killing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:06:17 2008 No.1684135 File: 316 KB, 640x480, 1213486439904.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] THE BEST.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 07:07:58 2008 No.1684142 >>1684135 Shadow Town. Nanaya Shiki. Track05 Kyokushi - Nanaya

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 07:09:47 2008 No.1684157 File: 37 KB, 646x512, Roa-Says.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh, SHIKI. You card.

>>	WORLDCLASS Sat Nov 29 07:12:23 2008 No.1684163 File: 58 KB, 392x571, 1219871476954.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkpYwVm93-c

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:14:50 2008 No.1684166 File: 743 KB, 2747x3400, 1212237923336.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Kagetsu Tohya s76: Night - Killer 2 FUCK YES

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:16:20 2008 No.1684170 So, does he ever use Kyokushi Nanaya in either Tsukihime or Kagetsu Tohya?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:16:35 2008 No.1684172 >>1684170 See >>1684166

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:21:48 2008 No.1684193 >>1684172 Crap, that wasn't there when I posted. Anyway, awesome, off to check that scene.

>>	iRage !RAGEpq8/Ww Sat Nov 29 07:21:54 2008 No.1684195 >>1684116 Alright, done, sound seems to be fucking up though. Sad, because they actually included a voice-over of him saying it. http://users.skynet.be/Rover/war3.wmv

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:23:50 2008 No.1684206

ok, so about shiki's eyes. the way I understood it, is that the lines are ALWAYS there. ANYONE could use the lines if they knew they were there, but you have to cut through them perfectly for them to actually cut, which is something shiki can do. now, if shiki was some sort of amazing marksman, he could in theory, shoot a POINT that the lines intersect, and kill the object. think of it like this.

...wait, why am I here again?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:24:04 2008 No.1684209 >>1684195 Haha, oh wow, dat quality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:25:40 2008 No.1684211 >>1684166 How do you reach s76? I checked the flowchart and ended up completely lost.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:26:33 2008 No.1684216 >>1684211 No clue. If you have it unlocked, just go through the Scene Selector.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 07:27:59 2008 No.1684221

>>1684211
lol, Kagetsu Tohya flowchart. A miserable pile of entities.

>>1684206
In order for the lines to be apparent, he has to be using his jougan. In order to affect the lines, he has to affect them via his own body.

The eyes of death of the Irish god could affect death by merely observing them. Shiki has to actually do something.

>>	iRage !RAGEpq8/Ww Sat Nov 29 07:28:51 2008 No.1684223 >>1684209 I know. Hold on, I'll get a vid of gil, ea wipes out like half the enemies on the map.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 07:29:08 2008 No.1684225 >>1684216 Keep playing Kagetsu Tohya. Once you have a certain Ren scene, choose "Think about the killer" at night. This will play the sequence leading to Shiki losing his head.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:29:43 2008 No.1684226 >>1684216 >Scene Selector Ah... I don't even have the scene selector.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:34:33 2008 No.1684235

>>1684206
You have it backwards.
His eyes don't let him see lines of death.
He sees lines of death because of his eyes.

His eyes relay the information of "death" back to his brain as "lines" as a way of comprehension.
He then manipulates these "lines" in order to bring future death into the present.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:38:49 2008 No.1684245 >>1684225 >This will play the sequence leading to Shiki losing his head. Oh, the scene in which Kouma rips his head off? I thought there'd be a scene where Nanaya performs Kyokushi Nanaya.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:39:15 2008 No.1684247

>>1684221
Whoa, by looking at the flowchart I realize that's a lot of content to unlock.

Is there any problem if I ignore Ren for most of the time until I have unlocked most of the scenes, then proceed with the main story line while unlocking any remaining scenes? Or there is a limit of how much I time I can waste aside the main storyline?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:41:24 2008 No.1684250 >>1684245 The scene with Kouma ripping off Nanaya's head is s77: Night - Killer 3. >>1684247 There's no limit to the time you can waste. Just unlock everything before getting the Len points/events and advancing.

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:42:34 2008 No.1684253

>>1684235
This.

Shiki's eyes had originally been for Jougan. By experiencing temporary death, he was connected to Akasha and his brain came to understand death. His eyes work as a set with his brain and so he could see death directly.

Using his eyes on his own will causes them to turn blue, the color of normal activated Jougan.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:43:12 2008 No.1684255 Where is the scene selector? I know Tsukihime had one, but I can't seem to find it for Kagetsu Tohya

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 07:43:17 2008 No.1684256 >>1684221 Can't read the KT flowchart? Weak. It's even color-coded, goddamn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:44:38 2008 No.1684261 >>1684255 Click the "U" in FUN at the title screen. It should be in that menu if you've unlocked everything.

>>	iRage !RAGEpq8/Ww Sat Nov 29 07:44:59 2008 No.1684262 >>1684223 Not that anyone cares, but here: http://users.skynet.be/Rover/war3-2.wmv Fraps screws over my fps near the end though.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 07:46:09 2008 No.1684267 >>1684256 I only have the old black and white one. The one which wraps in on itself hundreds of times and has only flags in the entity boxes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:47:00 2008 No.1684272 >>1684262 Oh god, what the shit was that that just came out of Ea, hahahaha.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:47:00 2008 No.1684273 >>1684005 brain butter

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:47:22 2008 No.1684269 I don't get the whole flg points in the flowchart... shit.

>>	iRage !RAGEpq8/Ww Sat Nov 29 07:47:34 2008 No.1684271 File: 121 KB, 800x928, 1227944854678.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1684267 YOU'RE MISSING OUT, MAN, WANT ME TO UPLOAD IT FOR YOU?

>>	Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A Sat Nov 29 07:49:14 2008 No.1684277 >>1684269 You're a dumbass. 1 and 0, on and off.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 07:49:35 2008 No.1684278 >>1684271 Cool. That is a pretty good flowchart. Certainly better than the spider of death I used.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:51:33 2008 No.1684281 >>1684256 >>1684278 I cheated and used a Portugese walkthrough and google translate.

>>	iRage !RAGEpq8/Ww Sat Nov 29 07:51:50 2008 No.1684284 >>1684278 Here, have it: http://users.skynet.be/Rover/kt.pdf

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:53:01 2008 No.1684289 >>1684277 I still don't understand. What does each flag represent? There's flg8, flgZ, flg5, flgM, and some others.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 07:53:06 2008 No.1684288 File: 59 KB, 300x300, 1227945186233.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1684284 Banzai.

>>	iRage !RAGEpq8/Ww Sat Nov 29 07:56:19 2008 No.1684293 >>1684289 Just search for any other times it appears.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:56:25 2008 No.1684294 >>1684289 At some points there are branches, and depending on the flags, you will either go one way or the other. An example would be that huge fucking box at "Night." Some flags reset with each playthrough, while others stay with you for life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:57:14 2008 No.1684297 >>1684294 >while others stay with you for life. If you screw yourself out of something this way, the only way to get what you missed is by deleting your save and doing everything over.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Nov 29 07:58:02 2008 No.1684298 >>1684294 >>1684297 Delete save21. Do everything right. Fuck Ren. Wait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 07:58:35 2008 No.1684300 >>1684271 From what I understand, hisui_p would mean Hisui points, where each scene adds 1 point, right? So If a scene requires hisui_p>=2, then I must get two scenes for hisui so can access it?

>>	iRage !RAGEpq8/Ww Sat Nov 29 07:58:46 2008 No.1684301 >>1684297 There used to be a walkthrough at http://www.crimsonmoon.frih.net/kagetsu_tohya/walkthrough.htm but it's dead now. You can still fetch it off of google's cache though. I saved it myself a while ago.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 08:00:29 2008 No.1684304 >>1684301 Whaddya know, that's the one I used.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 08:19:53 2008 No.1684331 Wait, if Shiki is watching someone without the MEoDP, could he guide them into cutting a line? Or does it really have to be by his hand?

>>	iRage !RAGEpq8/Ww Sat Nov 29 08:24:53 2008 No.1684340 >>1684262 Once again, nobody actually cares, but here's one with akiha: http://users.skynet.be/Rover/war3-3.wmv

Anonymous Sat Nov 29 08:26:53 2008 No.1684345

>>1684331
Expanding on
>>1684235
No, he couldn't.
One of the reasons it has to be by his hands is that the lines don't actually exist. The lines are just how the eyes relay the information of death to Shiki's brain.
Only Shiki himself can comprehend what those "lines" are so only he can manipulate or cut them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 29 08:38:53 2008 No.1684396 >>1684345 Which makes me wonder if he had enough time/life if he could develop the ability enough to destroy things with a thought alone. Since it's not a matter of him touching it so much as him interacting with Akasha.

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