So we know that Yukari and Kasen are youkai sages, but are there any others that we know of that might be one?

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Anonymous Mon Apr 3 10:57:46 2017 No.16809802 [Reply] [Original]

So we know that Yukari and Kasen are youkai sages, but are there any others that we know of that might be one?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 12:51:34 2017 No.16810231 >>16809802 Kasen is just a simple human hermit, not a youkai!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 12:53:18 2017 No.16810238 >>16809802 I suspect Yuuka and Tewi, but have no solid evidence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 12:54:51 2017 No.16810250 File: 110 KB, 476x474, 020.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16809802 >Kasen >youkai Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 13:19:01 2017 No.16810384 File: 84 KB, 500x363, kasen and yukari.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16810250 it's heavily implied also a ying yang orb fucked her arm up once

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 16:52:06 2017 No.16811361 >>16810238 >Tewi Doubtful, too much of a shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 17:18:15 2017 No.16811479 File: 373 KB, 900x600, __dragon_god_inaba_tewi_lord_tenma_shinki_and_yakumo_yukari_original_and_touhou_drawn_by_umigarasu_coolier__07ef9c41758753e96c1d80be07561f89.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tewi. Yuuka. Lord Tenma.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 19:45:26 2017 No.16811977 >>16811361 Trickster sage/god/whatever that just doesn't give a fuck is believable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 05:31:41 2017 No.16813564 Tenma, Yuuka? Suika seems possible, but I dunno.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 06:20:18 2017 No.16813663 Probably people who we: Know little about, have loads of personal power/high position or similar. I'm going to say (maybe) Letty as well as Tenma or Yuuka.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 16:50:27 2017 No.16815775 >>16813663 Well, we know there's a fox civilization somewhere out in Gensokyo. Maybe one of their heads is a Sage. Not Ran though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 17:09:54 2017 No.16815851 >>16809802 >youkai sages is that how you say sex demon?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 4 19:35:44 2017 No.16816416 Yuuka and Suika Maybe Yuyuko?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 5 08:55:43 2017 No.16818867 >>16815851 Yes, you become a semen demon by being a very powerful and sexy youkai.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 5 08:59:02 2017 No.16818874 >>16816416 Yuyuko is not a youkai, she's a ghost.

Anonymous Wed Apr 5 14:38:24 2017 No.16819977

>>16809802
Suika is extremely powerful, used to be one of the rulers of Youkai Mountain, and has a long history with two other sages to the point where they can call on her for favors. She's a good candidate. Much of the same logic would apply to Yuugi, but we've never seen her take an interest in politics.

I'd say Yuyuko, but she doesn't live in Gensokyo and ghosts aren't consistently referred to as youkai. (that is, you'd generally speak of the inhabitants of Gensokyo as "humans, ghosts, fairies and youkai", but if you said "humans line up on the left side of the room and youkai on the right" then ghosts and fairies would line up on the right)

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 5 15:48:45 2017 No.16820266 Mima.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 15:06:43 2017 No.16824037 File: 842 KB, 707x1000, yukari festive outfit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16810384 Why is Yukarin always to cute?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 6 15:49:14 2017 No.16824265 Suika makes sense although I would find it a bit odd for multiple of the Big Four to be sages

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 7 01:17:24 2017 No.16826278 File: 633 KB, 1024x1494, __ibaraki_kasen_touhou_drawn_by_gaoo_frpjx283__40706d22313345a2a54162c33e7e5d6d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16810384 it's not!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 9 02:11:28 2017 No.16835369 >>16820266 that's a nosense, why she would want the hakurei balls when?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 15:44:37 2017 No.16843138 >>16810238 Yuuka has the power but she doesn't really have the responsibility or patience to be involved in sagely duties or managing Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 15:53:12 2017 No.16843164 >>16810238 Definitely not Yuuka, who is likely an outsider. Probably not Tewi, I just can't see it.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 15:58:32 2017 No.16843176

>>16819977
Suika is definitely a strong candidate. If Yuugi is also, then it's likely all 4 devas are sages, so one we haven't met yet and Kasen, as we already know.

And yeah I agree, Yuyuko doesn't seem like she's a sage. She's powerful and clearly more knowledgable about things than she lets on, but all her dying stuff with Yukari happened after Gensokyo's creation, right?

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 18:22:28 2017 No.16843730

Anybody who might've been inside the border (or close to it) during its creation is considered.
If they have a leadership role or is powerful enough to cause an incident then they are also considered.
Yukari
Ran
Kasen
Suika
Yuugi
Unknown Oni
Tenma
Tewi (?)
Yuuka (Not too much of a backstory to telll.)
Letty (^but might also be western, could be immigrant)
Otherwise I don't think we have any candidates

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 18:28:38 2017 No.16843756

>>16843730
>but might also be western
Do you mean she might be from western mythos? She's a Yuki-Onna, isn't she?

And I don't think Ran could be a sage, it would be really wierd for a sage to be bound in magical servitude to another sage. As >>16815775 pointed out, there's a good chance a different Kitsune could be a sage, however.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 18:29:39 2017 No.16843768 What if Junko's a sage?

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 18:32:30 2017 No.16843782

>>16843176
Yuyuko has been around longer then the border, she's also stuck in the netherworld (or was, because yukari accidentally forgets to patch the gate up)
>>16843164
Gensokyo became a thing in the 1880s (iirc) so Yuuka could always have bought import goods or gotten it later (since sages can go outside, or kasen can) the only thing that might bar her is her irresponsibility, but she also keeps to herself most of the time. What she does in pc98 is a bit iffy on canon status.

Your reasoning might apply better to Letty who may have gone to Japan and been mistaken for a yuki-onna instead of an ice lady or similar thing. She seems more western then Yuuka.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 18:34:00 2017 No.16843793 >>16843756 The information we have on characters is limited to character perspective, iirc the info on most characters are what Akyuu makes of them.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 18:41:42 2017 No.16843840

>>16843793
Letty's status as a yuki-onna comes from Akyuu's bias in other words.
All we really know about her being is that she's a seasonal winter youkai who is powerful enough to cause an incident.
The dragon was fucking up the weather and seasons when it appeared, so there's some link at least.
Her clothing and name aren't the most japanese either, but her power and occupation of casting snow is what makes her a candidate.
The west had contact with Japan in the 1880s too anyway.

Anonymous Mon Apr 10 18:51:20 2017 No.16843887

>>16843840
She's called specifically "a type" of yuki-onna too, so she could be misinterpreted.
Her actual power is from Zun's statement compared to Akyuu who doesn't get to witness her full power (since she's very self-controlled compared to say, Yuuka)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 18:53:28 2017 No.16843896 >>16843887 Also she scares Rinnosuke shitless apparently.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 19:05:35 2017 No.16843963 >>16843756 Ran is the strongest and smartest beast youkai but that's it she does her own checks on the border though

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 10 19:20:09 2017 No.16844022 >>16843730 >>16843756 >>16843963 Agreed that Ran isn't likely to be a sage. She's smart but she has zero creativity, so she can't really operate on the same level as Yukari and Kasen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 11 11:38:01 2017 No.16846921 Yuyuko would be a candidate... if she wasn't the queen of the Netherworld, which means she doesn't have any business in the creation of Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 13:34:47 2017 No.16857308 >>16844022 It's a dilemma between "being closer to Yukari = closer to sage" and "being slave to yukari = less likely to be a sage"

Anonymous Thu Apr 13 18:48:50 2017 No.16858582
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>>16843730
>>16843756
>>16843963
>>16844022
>>16857308
There's literally zero chances Ran could be a sage, Ran is just a shikigami spirit, the kitsune body she has doesn't even belong to her.

>While she (Yukari) employs several shikigami, the one she makes the most use of is Ran Yakumo.
>Be careful though: Ran Yakumo is strictly the shikigami, and the nine-tailed fox youkai she is possessing is an entirely different being.

And besides, the power Ran has is not her own, but rather Yukari's.

>Yukari: By following my will, Ran can obtain power equal to my level. Therefore, if she properly follows my orders, it would be impossible for her to lose. If she acts on her own, her power will be weakened to a degree that could not compare in the least.
>Yukari: In addition, Ran occasionally forgets that she is a shikigami, a servant. That is extremely dangerous. If she does not have a firm grasp on her position, she will easily diverge from the path I have laid out. It was likely because I was unable to supervise her while I was asleep, but at the very least, it now seems like she will not soon lose sight of who the master is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 18:58:36 2017 No.16858625 Inb4 Konngara is the 4th Oni

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 20:08:21 2017 No.16858942 >>16809802 Tewi is pretty old, isn't she? Also Eirin said that they can stay in Eintei only because Tewi tolerates their immigrant asses, so she seems like she could have some kind of influence or power.

Anonymous Thu Apr 13 20:26:45 2017 No.16859011

>>16858582
>There's literally zero chances Ran could be a sage, Ran is just a shikigami spirit, the kitsune body she has doesn't even belong to her.

While I don't think Ran is a sage, I don't think being a shikigami automatically excludes her. She's still potentially a very old, intelligent, and powerful being.

>And besides, the power Ran has is not her own, but rather Yukari's.

She's stronger when she can draw off of Yukari's strength, but that doesn't mean she's necessarily powerless without Yukari.

Anonymous Thu Apr 13 21:23:40 2017 No.16859181

>>16859011
>She's stronger when she can draw off of Yukari's strength, but that doesn't mean she's necessarily powerless without Yukari.
From what Yukari says in pic related, Yukari implies that without her powers, Ran is actually weak enough to be potentially harmed by common humans.

>She's still potentially a very old, intelligent, and powerful being.
While she might be intelligent when it comes to stuff like math and all of that, but she not very clever; she can be reckless (for the lack of a better word).
Not only was she provoked into a fight by humans and endangered herself. To the point that Yukari had to beat her up as a punishment.

But Ran also seems to has have an addiction to fried tofu; Rinnosuke was even able to summon her almost instantly by leaving some on his front porch

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 13 23:01:55 2017 No.16859494 >>16858582 not this shit again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 14 06:49:01 2017 No.16860548 >>16859181 >From what Yukari says in pic related, Yukari implies that without her powers, Ran is actually weak enough to be potentially harmed by common humans. Ridiculous, she's a fucking nine-tailed fox for fucks sake.

Anonymous Fri Apr 14 07:25:15 2017 No.16860674
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>>16860548
I just noticed I completely forgot to add pic related in >>16859011 Even though I mentioned it in the post.

But yeah, notice how Yukari constantly mentions in her interview about how Ran was endangering herself during her fight against the humans.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 14 07:48:47 2017 No.16860747 >>16860674 She might've attracted some more powerful humans if she kept it up, for all we know. But common humans being able to stand up to a nine tailed fox seems ridiculous unless being a shikigami gimps her normal power in favor of Yukari's.

Anonymous Sat Apr 15 01:10:12 2017 No.16864741

>>16859181
>>16860548
>>16860674
>>16860747
Reminder that literally the only reason that part is even in there is to make computer jokes about software doing things outside what the programmer/user intends and shouldn't be read as though it were some sort of concrete statement about Ran's powerlevels.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 17 01:06:55 2017 No.16874784 >>16858625 >Konngara Who

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 17 02:15:41 2017 No.16874892 >>16874784 ancienthu oni (?)

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 19 03:54:40 2017 No.16884502 >>16874784 pc-98 who is maybe an Oni and if she is then she's the 1st oni in the series

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 19 04:03:38 2017 No.16884516 >>16809802 Genji. Come on, if he's important enough to have raised Reimu, he's got to be someone pretty high up there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 21 06:18:22 2017 No.16896632 >>16884516 >implying a turtle is a youkai sage maybe if he became a beast youkai

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 21 18:54:25 2017 No.16899822 Need a good Kasen pic to use as an avatar, kind you guys help a brother out?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 10:11:24 2017 No.16902814 >>16858582 Dude, so Ran is just puppetteering a corpse around? That's metal as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 10:13:00 2017 No.16902823 >>16899822 Yeah, google image search "kasen ibaraki" and take your pick.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 10:19:53 2017 No.16902856 File: 57 KB, 425x319, gOipfej.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16902823 >>16902823 >take your pick.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 22 20:07:24 2017 No.16905859 >>16809802 I'm pretty sure it's the four oni sages.

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