Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1797

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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>16759847

This thread is for the discussion and learning of Japanese with raw VNs, LNs, anime and manga.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Let's have a nice thread by reporting and ignoring off-topic posts.
がんばってゆっくりしていってね！！！

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出来ないちゃんがきらい！

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おはよう

おにいちゃん

おにいちゃんは

どうしておにいちゃん

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>>16781706
>sexualizing dekinai girl

why would you do this?

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>carefully go over first 500 or so kanji in RTK
>review over and over
>few days pass
>invariably forget most of them

icantlearnjapanese.cdf

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>>16781838
Well, RTK doesn't teach you japanese, so that's to be expected.

Download a vocabulary deck and do that instead. It may seem hard because your brain doesn't understand kanji yet, but you're still learning. It takes time.

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>>16781838
>RTK
You failed already. If you really wish to learn Kanji alone there are better resources like KLC which also teaches vocabulary alongside Kanji, which I think is the best choice but most people will recommend ignoring all Kanji and just doing vocabulary in here.
RTK is still a viable approach (just not the most efficient) if you review with Anki or some other SRS software. How else do you think will you remember over 2000 characters? You sound like someone who hasn't bothered to study learning resources at all (or reading the guide) and therefore fails because you do not apply proper learning techniques.

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>>16781857
ive passed the N2 and have used pretty much every resource in the guide and out. i know tons of words and have a substantial anki deck for vocab and grammar (dojg). i also possess all the recommended textbooks which ive read through multiple times even though its a lot of repeat stuff thats elsewhere

all that plus living here in japan for 4 years is not going to teach me to write kanji. other textbooks have not been sufficient or only teach a few hundred.

RTK seems like the best option and the most intelligently organized.

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>>16781898
Have you even looked at KKLC?

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>>16781915
i will tomorrow

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>>16781898
>not going to teach me to write kanji
They are not. Here the difference is simply that people are aiming for different things. You do not need to learn to write over 2000 Kanji if all you want to do is play videogames or read manga. RTK is not perfect because it makes you dependent on mnemonics which only introduce bad habits (not mentioning the fact that it literally has NO vocabulary to actually make sense of the "keywords"). If you know how memory works you will know that it gets easier to remember things the more often you actively recall them. Mnemonics were useful in a time where you did not have SRS software perfectly aligning cards for you in a way and in intervals that will perfectly reinforce your memory. With SRS you can cut out the middle-man and simply remember a Kanji's meaning. KLC trumps RTK also because it teaches useful vocabulary that make you remember the most common readings and uses of the Kanji you are learning. There are a lot of aspects to learning Kanji that RTK does not cover. You shouldn't have any problems remembering only 2000~ meanings for Kanji in a few months using KLC even without any of those nonsensical mnemonics (I know KLC has simple ones but they should not be actively used, just read them once, picture it and move on, never ever try to remember the mnemonic). Writing is taught in the same way, with recall cards that have the stroke order on them.

>living here in japan for 4 years
>passed the N2
lol

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>>16781952
if youre implying 4 years for the n2 is slow remember people have a lot more going on in their lives than just pure language study

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>>16781952
Also KLC has explicit stroke direction and order for every single stroke of every single kanji. RTK only gives explicit stroke order, not direction, and only for components.

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What font to most manga use?

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>>16781993
No particular one.

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スレに入るときに肛門の安全などを守ってください

パパより

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo2P16gLCfQ

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Has anyone here actually used the imabi guide?

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>>16781838
>RTK
do rote

t. rote doer

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>>16782492
oh, and this is 65 days in, in case you're wondering

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>>16782492
Why do you recommend doing rote as opposed to SRS? That picture really doesn't tell me anything.

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>>16782477
No but their site sure is comical.

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>>16782509
proly just to troll the thread mostly into another dumb argument about the learning process instead of actual japanese things mostly

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>>16782477
I use it to to look things up every now and then. I like it better than Tae Kim's guide, which, however concise and pithy, was staggeringly chaotic to me when I was beginning.

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>>16782509
SRS and rote are not mutually exclusive. SRS is itself an incarnation of rote learning, technically.

I was recommending rote over mnemonic, not over SRS. As for why, I just like the simplicity of the rote method. I find coming up with mnemonics to be really tedious and dull, while rote is the sort of mechanical activity that one can just sit down and get on with.

The picture was just a demonstration of my progress so far. It also does away with any claims that I'm only a couple of weeks/hundred kanji into the process and will give up soon before they can be made.

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>>16782544
The only possible reason I could see someone doing rote for is for good looking calligraphy or learning to use a brush or something. If you simply need to write Kanji so they are recognizable there is absolutely no reason to do rote at all, not even in combination with SRS. If you can recall how to write Kanji in your SRS cards even after the longer intervals it means you have remembered it and will know how to write it in every word that entails that particular Kanji. Rote is simply a waste of time that you could use to up your Kanji recall cards in Anki, therefore getting more Kanji done.

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The nice thing about RTK is that you can use the mnemonics people have already made on koohii, or if a kanji doesn't have a mnemonic you like just learn it by rote.

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from a efficiency standpoint should i jerk off before or after i look at flashcards

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r8 my first written word

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>see easy kanji 100 times
>still cant recognize it or remember the reading

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>>16782585
しっかく

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>>16782562
Wrong.

>>16782580
I find I'm often distracted by my raging testosterone levels if I don't jerk off before learning but that could just be me. If you're asking whether masturbating will boost your memory, I'm not sure.

>>16782585
Is that in Paint? Are you using a drawing pad? If you are, use Photoshop or a similar program that is made for professional use and supports proper brushes. Also enable grid so you write Kanji in boxes or download a Kanji practice sheet on which to draw. If you are not using a drawing pad stop drawing digitally and write on paper.

>>16782590
I'd tell the person you are quoting they are a prime example of people who have not bothered with proper learning techniques and are therefore failing.

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>>16782624
proper learning techniques are for suckers

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Reading the previous comments.. should I add a pure kanji deck to the core 2k I'm already studying? I don't really want to learn to write, but I think it'd ease me into having better retention for vocab.

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>>16782599
Hadn't learned っ yet so neat sneak-peek.

>>16782624
My handwriting is shite regardless, plus I just started yesterday so Kanji is a long way off for me I guess.

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don't forget about the brad method friends
https://youtu.be/SxsOOt248bU?t=257

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>>16782652
you can learn all the kana in 2 days. If you're using the djt kana thingie, I recommend turning on all the fonts except the last one when you're done memorizing all the glyphs. This way you'll be exposed to "cursive" and "shitty writing" fonts which you'll likely encounter while reading manga or for some retarded reason a VN has a shitty unchangeable font.

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I'd like to buy a 電子辞書 but I don't know anything about them. Does anyone have any recommended brands?

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>>16782684
there should be some J>J dicts in the cor

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>>16782647
You should know the answer to that yourself. Are you having trouble learning vocab? Do you think the benefits from kanji study will be worth the effort required?

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>>16782647
Fell for the don't learn Kanji meme? It's a crude joke at best. Learning Kanji is not only for learning how to write them but also to learn how to recognize them. I'd recommend going through KKLC and learning the recommended (not all!) words in a separate Anki deck as you will learn all Kanji and their most common readings. There are premade decks for their meanings and you can make a deck for the recommended words yourself. What many people who advocate for no Kanji don't mention is that you will never attain any degree of fluency. Never. You will always look up new words, you will always forget Kanji, you will remember each word for itself rather than deriving its meaning from the Kanji components. It's a path only a complete masochist could take. Another thing, and that is just how I view things personally, is that at some point I want to be able to say that I know Japanese and that simply entails writing. I feel like if you're gonna learn, go all the way but that really is just how I view this whole thing.

>>16782652
Handwriting is a secondary concern. Drawing things with your mouse doesn't ingrain them into your mind as recalling them and drawing them by hand does. When I learned Kana I fell for the rote meme (fuck you Namasensei), you can still learn Kana in a few days like that but the best way to remember things is by recalling them which is the point of software like Anki. Now you might not necessarily want to use Anki for Kana but what you should do is see if you can reproduce them from your mind and just do it a few times until you have no problems with them. You can move on to Kanji in KKLC right after that honestly. If you make your own cards for the recommended vocabulary you will have to type the words correctly which will reinforce your Kana, you can also start doing the core deck as it is voiced. Replay the audio and read the sentences until you can follow, at some point you will be fluent in Kana. Just don't make the mistake of limiting yourself to Kana for too long.

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>>16782708
well, for writing I don't think I'll ever need it, mainly because the IME takes care of it and in regards to paper I don't think I'll ever write anything, if needs be I can write using kana.
Btw I'm like a week in and the only reason I'm learning japanese is to read lolige 「ものべの」to be precise and a few other titles, I don't have any other interest in the language, nor do I care about the deep meaning of the kanji such as 水 which is apparently the pictograph of a river with water flowing between the banks and has different readings and meanings of which only 1 is used in every day life so I end up asking myself why should I even bother learning all this shit if this shitty kanji will only be used to describe drinking water with the みず reading.
I mean, I'll and KLC to my decks yes, but I'll use it only for recognition probably.

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I'm using the calibre built in epub reader, and all the japanese books I try to read are displayed sideways for some reason. Does anyone else have this problem? Does anyone know how to fix this?

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>>16782788
The Calibre reader is a piece of shit, and so is every other Windows epub reader. I made my own but I haven't tested it on japanese books yet.

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>>16782788
convert it to html and open in firefox

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>>16782788
Looking at that just made me feel dizzy.

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yo guys, i'm kinda new to having the option to use nip on my keyboard. I think i've got it installed right (microsoft IME) but i've got an issue i think.
I can't work out how to write the mini-tsu thing. Some sites are saying just put 2 consonants together but it doesn't seem to be working.
Am i just retarded?

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>>16782994
either type "Ltsu" or just type the next letter twice, like oppai for おっぱい

L works with other letters too like あぁ

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>>16782994
On Google IME (which I'd recommend over the Microsoft one), it's xtu.

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>>16782898
all the readers I've tried are shit though, but at least SumatraPDF manages to render the files properly.

>>16782905
I tried that using onlineconverter.com, but it stacked all the image files on top of each other on the top of the document. But at least the text isn't sideways though. I also tried to convert to pdf, but the text is still sideways. Oh well, guess I'm using Sumatra then.

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>>16782708
Your brain is built to recognise patterns, a step by step idiot-proof book is not necessary for this function. Even a dog could probably figure out the more consistent kanji "meanings" and their most common reading if you could persuade it to pay attention for five minutes.

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Get out of /jp/. This board is for people who already know Japanese.

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>>16783126
Well, do you?

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>>16783126
>外国人出て行けりいいいいい

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傲慢な毛唐 acting big, eh.

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>>16783126
Write it in Japanese then

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>>16783126
Blame the mods.

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さくらがさくよ

きょうが

どんなにこわれそうでも

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>>16783262
桜が咲くよ
見慣れたいつもの坂道に
あゝ　別れを

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rikaisama has stopped being able to find new audio, has anyone encountered this before? I get 'no audio' even on common words like 雨 (ame - rain), but words that I have already added to my mining deck work. Does anyone know a fix to this or do I have to reinstall rikaisama and redo all my settings? it was working for weeks before :/

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Hey. Out of curiosity, are there any audiobooks I could listen to for the "spoken word" aspect of Japanese?

Just wondering because I have free reign to listen to music/podcasts while working, so it seems unproductive not to be doing something better still with that time.

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Has someone tried a mix of Anki's Core 2k/6k plus Kanjidamage?

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>>16783377
>>/jp/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=rikaisama+audio

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Is there a way to change overall font to something good?
しけん is hard as fuck to read with this font.

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>>16783476
On Firefox it's preferences > content > fonts & colors > advanced.

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>>16783488
ありがと

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>>16783472
ahh I see, thanks

Anyone have an archive of the sounds? It should work since I still have audio from the words that I had downloaded before

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>>16783634
I think it's "JDIC_audio" from the CoR.

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>>16783641
Fucking sweet, you're a lifesaver anon

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>>16783696
ドーモ、コウガミ＝サン

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is it bad to use よ in polite situations?

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how the hell do i add a new dictionary to rikaichan?

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>>16784088
Depends on context, probably not if you use it properly

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>数学
That sure doesn't look like 数学 to me.

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>>16784130
It in fact is, but that's kind of irrevelant

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>>16784130
Unless circuits are considered mathematics in Japan, and please correct me if I'm wrong, it's not.

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>>16784177
meant for >>16784147

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>>16784177
>>16784180
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think geometry and trigonometry are considered mathematics

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>>16784187
That's not either of those things. That's a circuit diagram. Notice the ground symbol on the upper left triangle, the AC wave representation, and the 120 ohm resistors.

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>>16784192
Correction those are inductors not resistors.

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I started doing: review ahead every day in Anki
but recently I get piled up by a lot of reviews, like 300-400 every day.
Is there a method to lower the review count I have to do every day.
I also notice I get the same card frequently although I pressing good in the custom study deck and increasing their intervals.
and yes reschedule cards option is on

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So I understand basic grammar and particle usage. But how do I figure out particle order in more complex sentences? I've noticed that Japanese sentences tend to sometimes be sort of minimal, since of course they understand their own language and know what to leave out and what to include. How do I go about learning how to make even semi-natural sentences? I follow a lot of Japanese people on Twitter and try to make note of their posts, but maybe it's because something isn't clicking or my vocab isn't quite large enough, but it doesn't feel like I'm improving.

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>>16784130
さんすうが

できるあのんは

くくができる

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how many particles can you place together? i'm trying to combine の＋に＋は together.

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>>16784339
That's probably fine.

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>>16784347
for more context

>talking about 博物館
>飛行機の博物館 specifically (doesnt really matter if this is the correct word to describe what i mean)
>in order to not sound repetitive, delete the 博物館 and leave 飛行機の
>as a result have sentence that starts as 飛行機のには～～～～～

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>>16784339
まにわに？

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can i use this https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/779483253 to substitute core 2k?

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>>16784467
That's a kanji deck. Core is a vocab deck.

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>>16784467
It does have 1-4 words on the side for each card, but no. The kanji already have 1-3 key words to associate with them, if you then need to remember a bunch of full Japanese words and their meaning on the side at what point do you grade the card correct/wrong?

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>>16784494
the one I got has also vocab for each kanji. Well I guess I could study both at the same time.

My problem is core 2k is that after a week of studying it, I felt like it was stupid. Because well, since I don't know what the heck that kanji corresponds too, I study the shape instead, make myself a mnemonic to remember the card and repeat.
To me this sounds inefficient as fuck, so i thought about learning kanji first so I can recognize the words in an easier way instead of relying on mnemonics. I think the only kanji that stuck with me is 学 since it's been so prevalent in the grammar course I took.

>>16784502
from the resources I've seen, the main onyomy and keywords readings/meanings are the MUST to remember. The vocab's purpose is to give context to the kanji, so it "sticks" better in your brain.

I'm asking here since I'm new to studying japanese and to studying languages in general, and I felt after 1 week of vocab only that my efforts would be better put to use in learning kanji, having long-term in mind. But I could be wrong, hence me asking here.

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サンタクロースはいるとおもいますか？

ニンジャはいるとおもいますか？

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Anybody else here use memrise? I like having a no-brainer flashcard thing as a fallback and I don't like the Duolingo robot voices and speech exercises. On the other hand I don't think there's a way to get quizzed in to a level, so I find it a bit too easy.

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>>16784636
they come if you beg for it while screaming きもちいい

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後にゲンキ２、どちら教科書を使てください

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>>16783476
>しけん is hard as fuck to read with this font

Doesn't seem to be the case.

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あなたは。。。。ホモですか？？？？

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>>16784760
両刀使いってことにしておこう

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>>16784768
I was thinking, how do I write japanese emojis fast? 「＾お＾」this is the max I can do, one that also comes to mind is ノthat could be used for arms or ツ which is already a pretty well made smiley face.

tldr:manual on how to use Google IME (or mozc) to make terrific emoticons.

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毎日フラッシュカードやってるけど虚しさは消えない

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>>16784774
なぜ俺様に聞くのかよくわからんけれど、(You)を貰ったので良いとしよう
「かおもじ」を書いてスペースキーを押すといい＼(^o^)／

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>>16784788
wow so helpful.... NERD 死ね

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>>16784768
>両刀使い

Well that's my new word for the day learned

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>>16784801
you've never read BL LNs or VNs?

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>>16784805

好みではない

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>>16784830
ホモ？

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Why is the word エロ written inside the kanji for 'inquire'?

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でもないことを明らかになった所狭しと。このほかにすることがあることをいうことでの人は、その結果していたための場合、このためにある。その結果は？

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>>16785123
Is this a serious attempt at posting in Japanese?

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Hなお姉さんは好きですか？
can this be translated like:
Do you like your ecchi sister?

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>>16785201
I don’t think that sentence makes sense．Shouldn't it be が?
Sorry if I'm wrong.

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>>16785201
Do you like perverted older sisters?

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>>16785201
(on the topic of) ecchi older sisters, do you like them?

Also "ecchi" is not a translation.

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>>16785207
So how's Genki 1 going?

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>>16785212
thanks. I'm still trying to understand grammar, I was under the wrong impression that the は particle denoted the one committing the action in which case my translation was still wrong, instead it denotes what the sentence is about. Time to study harder, onwards to day 4 of tae kim's grammar.

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>>16785217
Is that wrong? I don't normally see it used with は.

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>>16785220
>I was under the wrong impression that the は particle denoted the one committing the action

Throw away any resource that led you to this conclusion.

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>>16785224
Imagine the following snippet of conversation.

Person A: Hなお姉さんが登場するゲームを買った。
Person B: Hなお姉さんは好き？

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ＴｏＬｏｖｅるみたいに！

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How would you translate
「まだ答えを選べてもいないのに」?
I really don't understand the 選べてもいない part, is that 選べる+ても? What des it mean exactly?

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>>16785252
"But I haven't even chosen an answer yet."
The も is between 選べていない, I usually see it translated in English to "even", or "either" in negative sentences

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>>16785269
I see, but why the potential form then? Shouldn't it be 選んでもいない then?

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>>16785276
Oh right that's dumb of me, then something like
"But I couldn't even chose an answer yet", if that sounds natural enough in English.

Basically anything that expresses that they weren't able to pick an answer.

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>>16785284
Yeah it makes sense, not all sentences can be translated naturally.
Thanks for the help!

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>>16785284

"But I still couldn't make up my mind" might be a natural sounding translation.

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>そういうこった、諦める事を諦めやがれ、はははっ
>諦める事を諦めやがれ
Not sure I get this phrase, what's it mean?

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>>16785081

男の娘が好きはホモじゃない。

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ごめなさい！　わたしわすごい、　ダイジョブです！ ありがとうせんぱい、　すしねどこ？はやいーさん！がんばるねおにいーちゃんとてもばかおっぱい。　かわいいけいかくいたい。。。　まほうころすもちろんおねがい。　わかるようかい。　えと、　もしもしなになるほど。　さらばだ。

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>>16785436
reading this gave me cancer. have you just discovered an IME and posting random shit?

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>>16785413
娘を愛する男はホモではありません。*

keep batting your gans, anon

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>>16785413
って、ホモがよく言います。

[Anonymous No.]

>私の後から来る方は私に優る方である。私より先におられたからである

Is this like some deep wisdom of the ancients?

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>>16785485
It's The Gospel of John 1:30, I believe.

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>>16785409
Yameru koto wo yameyagare

A brutish, informal way of saying "to give up on giving up"

yagaru (yagare, imperative in your phrase) is to do something "up" or something idk

The more you hear and read Japanese, the more you will comprehend nuances and not quite understand why. Sort of like how the native English speaker doesn't learn to identify subjects and objects or what a subordinate clause is. Only in your case, its vocabulary and not grammar.

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>>16785445
ですですですですです＊笑うｘ５＊ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ～～！

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>>16785492
A bunch of mumbo jumbo then.

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>>16785497
Did you have to import your childish religious dispositions? Fuck off retard.

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>>16785503
ひどいいい

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>>16785503

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>>16785497
殿方の方向にフエドラを傾きます。

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>>16785549
趣味のいいお宅様にも脱帽

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>>16785549
>uedora
OwO what's this?

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>>16785593
nvm read the other post and realized the redditness of it all

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>>16785492
>It's The Gospel of John 1:30, I believe.

‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’
Damn, even the English is cryptic enough.

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>tfw no pouting loli gf
why even live???

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This shit is driving me crazy. I looked around and from what I can understand that "ず" has a negative function, but please correct me if I'm wrong. What I'm more concerned about is way it's used. Is it used in a "cause-effect" sort of situation? Can you use it in written language or is it like those expressions that are speech only?

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>>16785660
If you actually read stuff instead of wasting time with isolated grammar study you'd know this and a lot of other things already.

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>>16785660
ず is an old form of the negative that can be used as both the 終止形 and the 連用形. That means that it can be the equivalent of ～ない at the end of a sentence, or it can be used to link sentences like ～なくて、～ないで、～なく with the general meaning of "without doing." However, the 終止形 usage sounds more archaic and isn't used very much in modern language. The 連用形 linking function sounds more natural in modern language, I think, but it's also commonly combined with particles, as in ～ずに, which has the same "without doing" meaning, as in 何も食べずに寝る, to go to bed without eating anything.

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>>16785715
Thank you very much anon.

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>>16785636
It makes sense when you consider it in context, i.e. John the Baptist speaking about the coming of Christ. From chapter 1 verses 6 through 9:
>ここにひとりの人があって、神からつかわされていた。その名をヨハネと言った。
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
>この人はあかしのためにきた。光についてあかしをし、彼によってすべての人が信じるためである。
This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe.
>彼は光ではなく、ただ、光についてあかしをするためにきたのである。
He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
>すべての人を照すまことの光があって、世にきた。
That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.

私の後から来る方 is the すべての人を照すまことの光, the son of God from whom all things originally spring and who was therefore truly there before him, if you should so choose to believe.

>初めに言があった。言は神と共にあった。言は神であった。 (John 1:1)
In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God. The Word was God.

>そして言は肉体となり、わたしたちのうちに宿った。わたしたちはその栄光を見た。それは父のひとり子としての栄光であって、めぐみとまこととに満ちていた。 (1:14)
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
>ヨハネは彼についてあかしをし、叫んで言った、「『わたしのあとに来るかたは、わたしよりもすぐれたかたである。わたしよりも先におられたからである』とわたしが言ったのは、この人のことである」。(1:15)
John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’”

[Anonymous No.]

okay, first time in /jp/, one simple question

the words:
Ningyō
kawaii
A name (example: mary)
monogatari

the sentence:
the adventures of the cute doll mary

how the fuck do I do this, also, it'd be cool to learn what order the japanese language has for this stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>16786068
Read the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16786068
Read the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16786068
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>16786073
>>16786075
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar
no way I'll understand this in under 2 hours

pls anons, spoonfeed me, it's important

[Anonymous No.]

>>16786123
Yeah you won't. Learning Japanese will take years, and if you aren't interested in that this thread isn't for you. Kindly fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16786123
Take it to /wsr/ then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16786123
Do you want to make vaporwave memes with Japanese text in them or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>16786129
what place do I go to get some ppl that speak both japanese and english that are willing to help an anon?
>>16786133
fuck it I might as well try
>>16786134
a girl is mad at me and she's a fucking weeb, this is the kind of stuff that usually works

[Anonymous No.]

Remember to brush up on your hairstyle terminology before going to a Japanese barber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16786068
かわいい人形なメリの物語

ツ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16786145
赤貧戸口に至らば、恋は窓より飛び去る

[Anonymous No.]

>>16786162
適当にしとけ、おっさん
肝心なのは髪やら外観やらではなく、こころだから

[Anonymous No.]

今日も一日がんばりますよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16786162
Slick!

I wonder if in 500 years our normal haircuts will look as ridiculous as these.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16786168
thx
>>16786173
great poem, I guess?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16786394
Probably not. Hair is kept mostly natural these days with only small adjustments at most (disregarding all the outliers of course that is). Back then I imagine the more crazy hair was a status symbol in some ways.

[Anonymous No.]

日本語が出来るにあまり利口の感じは知っている?

[Anonymous No.]

Nice to see this thread is pretty much a perfect representation of how djt was when it was on /a/

[Anonymous No.]

does anybody know how comprehensive dojg is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787185
Enough. Unless you're looking for something LESS comprehensive, then you can go with Tae Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

What demographic is カドカワコミックス・エース? Shounen?

[Anonymous No.]

Is this true?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787266
Sorry, can't read Chinese yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787266
そうよ
ところでこのエロゲの一番可愛いヘロインは誰かしら？
真優よね

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787367
私はそもそもナタリーにしていたけど、最近はやはり真優の方が可愛いと後悔した

[Anonymous No.]

I understand written Japanese when I read it somewhat slowly. But when it is spoken, it is too fast for me and I lose track of what is being said. I am discerning the words but I sort of phase out of their meaning. What do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787673
Start listening to everything at 1.25x speed. It will make normal speed Japanese seem easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787673
More listening comprehension practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787185
The articles in DOJG are specially selected for their usefulness, despite having "dictionary" in the title the series isn't comprehensive and doesn't claim to be. That's not to say it isn't useful though, just don't expect more than about half the grammar structures you don't understand to be in there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787673
Watch more anime. There are atleast 10 good shows in this season that is ending

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787688
>>16787689
>>16787698
For some reason watching anime is incredibly hard for me, and sticking through one 20 minute long series feels like a successful marathon, even though I can read for hours. Point taken, though. I will do my best.

[Anonymous No.]

Best android manga reader that can read .rar files?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787720
I mean, you don't have to force yourself to watch anime if you don't like it. Dramas, news, whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16782526
I find that sad, mostly

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787720
Watch with English subs while paying attention to the Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787724
I'm not sure if it's the best, and I keep my manga unarchived, but try Perfect Viewer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787724
Comic Screen is good

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787726
I actually don't know anything about Japanese dramas... I forgot they even existed and thought it was a Korean and Chinese only thing. Sheesh.

I was watching news when it hit me that I stopped understanding pretty much anything midsentence.

>>16787739
Well dramas sounds good since like hell are most Japanese news being subbed.

Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787690
I'd say something like 90% of the structures I don't understand are in examples but not necessarily explained, and 80% are explained in some form in some note somewhere but not as a head entry, and 60% are as head entries.

There *is* a small amount of basic grammar that isn't even noted in DoJG, but it's solely "words that act like grammar structures", and ones that are extremely easy to understand based on context, which is why it didn't include them.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone here use Tachiyomi? I don't get how to make the files I transfer over to show in the local library

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787751
>I was watching news when it hit me that I stopped understanding pretty much anything midsentence.
You could try this: http://www.nhk.or.jp/radionews/
There's a ゆっくり option.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone here uses/used KanjiDamage?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787764
>http://www.nhk.or.jp/radionews/
I feel retarded for listening to this, but it works, I cannot say that it doesn't. I wonder what kinds of Japanese people need this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787740
>Perfect Viewer
Can't figure out how to do proper landscape mode with this. When I tilt my phone it just becomes a thin strip in the middle

[Anonymous No.]

Is it feasible to learn Japanese just by watching subbed anime after reaching some basic level of understanding of the language, or would it end up having a negative effect due to bad subs or whatever?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787849
Pretty sure if bad subs are actually tripping you up then you don't yet have a good enough grasp on grammar to be learning from anime.

I think it's fine, but of course you can't just simply watch it mindlessly and read the subs and hope to absorb the information. You gotta actually try to see if you can understand what they're saying and only use the subs as a helper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787866
Well it was just an off the cuff idea I was pondering the other day after I had seen only the first few videos of Namasensei and watched an episode of something I found myself noticing things stick out and actively pausing to try to transcribe things I heard into romanji and see what they meant etc. So I was hoping after I actually make some real headway on the lessons that anime would become a viable source of continued learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>寒いから少しくっつこっと

What the fuck is this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787950
This is why I hate casual speech. All these っっっっっっ KUSOSHITE

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787950
Give some context at least

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787849
It's possible but it's not exactly efficient. It still better than nothing and also really easy if you like anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787964
>>16787971

I've figured out it has to do with くっつく but I don't know how it becomes こっと. Basically "it's cold so come here and warm me up".

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I find Japanese subtitles for a film? I downloaded 海よりもまだ深く, but I could use a little more help understanding what is being said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788315
Grab the BDMV or a BD remux, the BD came with PGS subs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16783073
?? you can convert to html in calibre. I do this for all my kindle books.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787950
寒いから少しくっ付こうと(思った)

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787950
くっつこう + と （思ってる、しよう、など）

[Anonymous No.]

I can cut down my Anki time by 20-30 minutes each day if I move to the next card before the audio finishes. An extra half hour of reading time is worth the sacrifice, wouldn't you say?

[Anonymous No.]

___ しよう + と (くっつこうと)

=

___ しよ + っと (くっつこっと)

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know any good female 実況者さんs with cute voices? Need listening practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788516
i dont ever finish the card's audio if i recognize the card. is this considered bad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788613
no, audio is a huge waste of time past beginner level. Japanese isn't like English, pronunciation of everything should be obvious after a bit of time spent studying.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

>>16787950
>>16788369
>>16788421
>>16788523
～っと

前の動詞に「お」でくっついて

I want doing+ you should tolerate doing の感じになるよ

幼児語だよ

おとなは使えない。あまったれ

>おにいちゃんにかってもらおっと

[Anonymous No.]

I'm starting Genki 2 now after completing Genki 1.

Which textbook should I use afterwards? Tobira or An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese (by the people that made Genki but it's not as liked)

Also doing Anki in addition to all of this, and read through Tae Kim's guide

[Anonymous No.]

yo fellas with IME, i was cycling through the modes with shortcuts to practice typing, and think i activated some hidden shit. whenever i type a single key i get a character. number keys even give me a character. in hiragana and katakana mode. the fuck did i do? the A key is typing ち if thats a hint at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788619
I find that the exact pitch accent patterns of words are sometimes interesting, especially because it is not part of written language so it's cool to notice what most people don't realise they have, but I might be a little autistic about it too. Since Japanese is mostly intelligible even with the pitch completely wrong it's not a big priority (I am told it sounds cringeworthy though).

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788714
Stop wasting time with textbooks dumbass. Why are you doing Genki if you already read Tae Kim? Start reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788718
you got into kana input if its Google IME go to properties and change input mode to romaji, if Microsoft IME there should be a button in the language bar that says kana, just press it

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788740
ありがとう

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788721
I learn better by doing (with exercises and practice)

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788792
No one learns better by doing textbook exercises, you've only tricked yourself into believing you do. It's all completely worthless and it won't prepare you for reading real Japanese material one bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788809
You're right

How the fuck do I read japanese twitter? That's the core of what I'd like to do, to connect with my favorite animators and people.

Nothing has covered this:

https://twitter.com/manzyu2003/status/846374633062354946

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand how が part. works. ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788866
どこがどうわからなかったの

おしえておにいちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

Alright I'm doing a page in the Genki workbook and it wants me to write "I have become very good at speaking japanese, because I have practiced a lot". My best guess is
たくさんれんしゅうしましたから、日本語を話しているはよくなりました。
Is this close enough to right? Keep in mind I've only read up to chapter 10

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788870
>where and how you didn't understand?
I'm not sure, I know ga is the subject part and identifies something unknown to the speaker, but can you give me an example of how'd you translate what you wrote
>I'll teach you brother
;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788875
Close enough, you wouldn't want to use the polite form twice in a single sentence like that though.
But if you don't know the normal form then don't worry about that yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788875
つうじてるよー

前半が１００てんだよ

後半は３０てんだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788886
Okay cool thanks. When you say normal form are you referring to short form like instead of なりました I should say なった or is normal form something else entirely?

>>16788895
T-thanks. The second half is what is giving me trouble

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788875
>>16788886
Just go back to r/learnjapanese PLEASE, it actually makes me feel sick to read posts like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>あの人によくしていただければ、大金をいたします。

I would've thought Xによくしていただければ would mean "if they treat you well" since いただく is just polite もらう, but from context this really seems like it should be "if you treat them well", i.e. seems more like あげる. What is it actually?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788899
>にほんごをはなすのがうまくなりました

このくっつきかたがしぜんだよ

がんばっておにいちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788899
連絡（れんらく）した・から…
>>16788901
死ねカス

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788906
わかった。ありがとう!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788908
>>16788899
Oh oops, sorry, I derped.
練習（れんしゅう）した・から…
Same deal, going for する→した rather than する→しました。
Also, you really do wanna listen to >>16788906
though, there are some things odd with the way you had it (but you knew that already).

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788901
why even come here if you dont like it

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788977
You need to work on your reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788982
大丈夫

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788977
I think he's referring to the fact that at least 2 people are treating genki as if it's actually worth bothering with

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789007
so he could say that instead of offering an even worse alternative
if /djt/ finds it acceptable to guide people to reddit then something is very wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789007
Why? Genki is a great learning tool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789032
I don't think you understand the autism of this board. Basically if you don't learn the exact same way that another anon did, you're insultingly wrong and should leave because just the sight of your posts recommending another method insults them on a personal level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789032
It won't cause you too much brain damage, but I'd hardly call it "great". You're certainly better off avoiding it if you can since it's ultimately just wasting your time.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm studying Japanese for around one year now and everything went smooth so far following the guide, but I think I hit the point where I don't really make any progress.

I learned kana, learned a few thousand kotobas by doing anki and read some grammar books.
I struggled with grammar at first but it gradually clicked with me.

I'm supposed to read real Japanese now but I fucking can't, even Hanahira which is supposed to be easy as fuck is sometimes flying way over my head with their weird conversations.
It takes a lot of time to understand some sentences and even then, I'm not 100% sure that it means, what I think it does.

I mean you can't really compare Japanese with other languages, but when I learned English in school they first gave us some vocab, introduced some new grammar and then we did exercises and read stuff afterwards using only what we already learned.

Up until this point it was simply a long staircase I had to climb, but starting to read seems like a big wall in comparison that I can't seem to overcome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789060
This smooth ear is making me angry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789060
This is why you read from the start instead of being a mindless anki drone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789060
>I'm supposed to read real Japanese now but I fucking can't
You can, you don't want to. Learn the difference. One year is also extremely late to be starting, by a year I had already finished more than 10 full length VNs (read: actual VNs, not time wastes like Hanahira or Flyable Heart).
It not being "easy" or stuff going over your head is not an excuse not to do it. The more you complain and make excuses like this the longer it will take. The process to get better is extremely simple: Sit down for 2 hours minimum a day and just read. And pick something -you- want to read, not what someone else told you is easy or whatever. That's a trap that will only make you quit out of boredom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789072
>tfw there's nothing I want to read
Why did I even fall for the Japanese meme?

Pretty much everything I might be interested in is at a mild level, i.e. if I was actually reading at a native level. There's nothing out there interesting enough to want to read when I'm still a little baby.

I just watch TV and look at porn instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789072
Nice job judging Flyable Heart without ever reading it. Just because people recommend it here does not make it a bad VN, it's great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16787764
Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789079
If you have no interest in reading Yotsubato, you are worse than Hitler. Go learn German.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789082
That shit is one chapter a year, it's not going to teach me Japanese. Obviously I've read it, but it's baby level.

[Anonymous No.]

げんき

よんでみたいんだけど

どこでよめる？

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789079
Dunno, why? People like you are mysteries to me since I have an extremely strong interest in Japanese media and my backlog is growing every day. Even if I could magically consume content for 8+ hours a day without tiring out it would still probably take me like 5+ years to get through it all...

[Anonymous No.]

>絶望した！金ぎたない世の中に絶望した！
I don't understand the ぎたない part

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789128
きたない you dummy

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789130

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789072
>by a year I had already finished more than 10 full length VNs
Seriously anon?
Now I feel like total shit.

I think I should stop wasting time on 4chan and use all my time reading from now on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789128
>>16789130
>ぎたない

金にきたないは

りゃくすと金ぎたないだよ

金にきたないか

金ぎたないかどっちかをつかうよ

金にぎたないというにほんごはないよ

なぜかっていわれてもわからないよ

にゃ

[Anonymous No.]

>fail a 1.3yr interval card

[Anonymous No.]

What now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789451
set failure interval to like 10% or 20% instead of 0%

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789084
How can you have read all volumes of Yotsubato and still be looking for baby stuff? Step up your game.

[Anonymous No.]

>マンション
what the fugg

[Anonymous No.]

かつて and かって (曾て), is there any meaningful difference in usage?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789555
Is "new interval" the failure interval?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789555
That means a card you've forgotten will be on a 1+ month timer.

Sounds pretty bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789692
No, stupid
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/42835/meaning/m0u/%E3%81%8B%E3%81%A4%E3%81%A6/
>かつて【▽曽て／×嘗て】
>[補説]近世以降「かって」ともいう。

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789717
And if you forget it again it'll be on a couple days timer. And if you don't it'll be on a couple months timer.

It works fine.

>>16789714
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789060
I feel you. How's your listening? You may need to work on that so you can understand how the writing is supposed to flow.

Maybe try finding something you can do as a translation project so you spend more time trying to dissect some text as opposed to trying to read it for fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789881
That's horrible advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789884
It really is. Either a troll or a redditor.

[Anonymous No.]

If you realise you chose the wrong route in a VN, do you go back and change your choices or do you live up to your mistake and hold on to the bitter end?

[Anonymous No.]

Looking for advice from anons who can speak well. I was studying pretty hardcore since 8-10th grade, but my studies became on/off from 11th grade to now. With no classroom setting to force me to speak I've gotten into a rut - I can read pretty well, but when it comes to speaking I'm a stuttering mess.

I've been going through KKLC cards and reading them out loud but the stuttering is horrible.

Is this something I'll get over with time? I'd appreciate any advice. I sound like I have a legit speech problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789937
Are you stuttering because you don't have confidence or because you don't have a solid grasp on the language? Obviously you get better at speaking the more you actively produce the language (whether it is through talking or written communications on forums and the like). If it's because you're nervous, you're fucked. Try lifting or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>空を見上げた視線を、
>声の主に戻すことすらしない。
This here is translated as
>I keep gazing up at the sky, paying no heed to the person talking to me.

Can someone explain how the meaning is constructed here? Particularly the second part of the line.

[Anonymous No.]

What kanji is it? I can't pick it in jisho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790037
暁

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790036
Stop looking at bad translations to learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789884
Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790040
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790047
I'm using it as reference for when I don't understand a line by itself, but in this case it doesn't tell me how the sentence works at all, which is why I'm asking here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790036
It's an awkward sentence to translate, I think, because of how it's constructed.
>空を見上げた視線を、
My gaze lifted up to the sky,
>声の主に戻すことすらしない。
I do not even return it to the owner of the voice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790031
I think it might be a lack of confidence because I've been struggling to get back to where I was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790059
Yeah don't do that. Even ignoring the fact that it is 100% of the time a terrible idea, the specific White Album 2 translation you picked out is done by a machine translator.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790062
Thank you.

I was confused at what was doing the 戻す. Now that I understand it really feels like an embarrassing thing to have to ask about.

[Anonymous No.]

Been trying to translate this for a while but I can't seem to get the middle bit.

So far I've gotten.

Ne - BLANK - BLANK - N

Na.

Anyone got any advice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790075
Stop posting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790075
That's ezpz

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790075
DEKINAI

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790069
I understand why you'd advise not to do that but I really don't want to ask /djt/ for every little thing that I can't figure out either. This particular one was just really hard to make out.

Touma is really cute so I'll do anything to go through her game but if I come across another confusing line that the translation doesn't help me figure out I'll try to just bruteforce through it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790075
Yep thats the final nail in the coffin.
I'll now leave this thread and 4chan altogether cause it only distracts me and no one is giving good advice anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790093
Well it's your choice but you're wrecking a genuinely good game for yourself right now. That line was exceedingly easy, so going by that you will misunderstand upwards of 70% of Marutos writing + all the errors in the "translation" misleading you into believing things that are incorrect. You're losing enjoyment and gaining bad habits simply for being too impatient to go about the proper way. Not a worthy trade in my opinion but it's up to you in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790132
I don't really mind holding it off if it's really not worth it, but some anonymous fuck told me this was an easy game to mine words and grammar from. I haven't made any real progress in studying the language by itself for a while now so I wanted something to pick up.

It's really hard to read through right now, but I figured once I make it through the parts the anime covered I'll have developed a good enough foundation to understand the basics of the rest of the VN's writing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789060
Grind example sentences with English translations.
That'll ease your way in a lot, and it'll be easier too when you can check if you got it right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789937
Speaking is a skill of its own, so you obviously won't be good at it if you've never done it before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790146
His style isn't "hard", but you will miss a lot of the nuance of what makes him good early on. Plus, I don't know if you know, but WA2 is one of the best longest VNs in existence at nearly 4MB size. Natives take 60+ hours reading it. If you want to get a taste of Marutos writing something like Kono Aozora ni Yakusoku wo would be a better idea first, not as big of an investment and it's still a very solid game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790174
Although I wouldn't mind rereading WA2 again later on, that does sound like a nice suggestion. I'll look into it now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790174
>nearly 4MB size
That doesn't seem like a lot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790130
famalam don't give up, do you perchance not write? if you practice writing you can more or less get what's written there in 3 secs max. If you're scared of "writing", then go to DJT Kana and enable ALL fonts 'cept the last one, and go through everything there. I'd say recognize at least 1k kana a day to begin.
that's what can help you in your 2nd blank
As for the first one, it's probablt that you've never read anything vertically, but even then it just requires knowing ALL kana.

Now get back to studying and がんばれ, おにーちゃん！

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>>16790197
That's approximately the same as the entire Harry Potter series.

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>>16790197
it's the script size. 30-50 hours VNs are around 2MBs, so this gives you a rough idea of how long that shit is.

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>>16790224
The first post clearly is an ironic shitpost. The one you replied to is an anon complaining about the low quality of posts. You should not seriously reply to---

>famalam
Never mind. Just go back to /v/, /int/ or Reddit or wherever it is you came from.

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>>16790233
>>16790237
I'm still confused, we're taking about megabytes, right? As in this >>16783696 gif is 1.31 MB?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790253
yeah

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>>16790253
Yes, but you can fit a lot of text into a megabyte sized txt file.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790253
That's a gif. A script is pure text, like these latters I'm writing right now. For comparisons sake, this entire right now including nametags, post numbers, dates etc. is a mere 65kb~.

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>>16790253
It turns out text takes up far less space than images.

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>>16790258
letters*
this entire thread*

I need to go sleep.

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>>16790253
I don't understand. It doesn't take a computer genius to know that megabytes of pure text is a lot. If you're so confused about it just GOOGLE IT. Why do you shit up a Japanese learning thread with your technological illiteracy.

[Anonymous No.]

いっぱい釣ったな

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>>16790037
>I can't pick it in jisho.
Why were you trying to find it in Jisho? It's much easier to just draw it in Google Translate when you can make out the character clearly like in that picture

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790265
s-sorry

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>>16790158
The thing is that I was REALLY good at speaking when I first started learning, but once I couldn't take anymore in person classes I fell into this hole - I'm really guilty of just reading to myself quietly and not out loud, I'm going to keep practicing though and hopefully I can get my skill level back up

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>>16790047
So what should I do when I come across something I don't understand? Skipping everything I can't figure out by myself won't get me far either I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790401
Figure out what you don't understand and fix that. 90% of the time you can probably do that solely by using Google, the other 10% come here and ask.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790401
Actually it's fine to skip over a sentence here and there, so long as there's plenty of others that you can understand.

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>>16789921
VN choices are supposed to improve immersion and make it feel like you actually are the MC, you have to stick with your choices and take responsibility for your actions. The only exception is if it's a G線上の魔王-type VN where the routes are branches off a long singular true story, in which case you really really should read the routes as you go instead of coming back to them after reading the true route.

[Anonymous No.]

How does this video make you feel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_M9h-eKkoM

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>>16790597
Idk, I can't read half of the kanji anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790597
I'm a bit slower than the first speed shown. Feels okay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16784646
I used it for a while, then I found better software

[Anonymous No.]

こわいゆめ

おきちゃった

おにいちゃんはどんなゆめをみますか

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790401
Try read a bit further along and then revisiting the part you didn't undertand; the added context might help you. If you decide to skip something without understanding it, at least make a mental note of what's exactly is confusing about the sentence so you can recognize the troublesome element when it comes up again in different contexts until you can reason out its function.

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>>16790712
たいていはおんなのこになってほかのおんなのことゆりれんあいができるようになったようなゆめかな

ようゆめだがめざましたらちょっとかなしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790775
まぁそれはなんてすてきなゆめ
ゆりれんあいはすばらしいわ

[Anonymous No.]

そんな幸いだけの世界に未練はないそう思っていたのに

[Anonymous No.]

けいやくしゃは

ゆめをみない

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789680

What's the problem?

What, you can't read that it says ' man shone'? As in the man shone really brightly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789680
What is the problem here?

[Anonymous No.]

Which of these readings is the most common?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16791007
https://core6000.neocities.org/furigana.txt

[Anonymous No.]

Hello everyone.
Don't really know whether I should ask it here or somewhere else, but do you know where a pdf (or epub, doesn't really matter) of this https://www.amazon.co.jp/朽ちていった命-被曝治療83日間の記録-新潮文庫-NHK「東海村臨界事故」取材班/dp/4101295514 book can be found?

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>>16791057
Cool site. But 路 gives me 100 results. What is it when it stands alone?

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>>16791076
http://jisho.org/search/%22%E8%B7%AF%22

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>>16791063
maybe just buy the book you sap sucker

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790870
ナオ　アイブ　ラステッテ

[Anonymous No.]

I can't do Anki. That shit with the numbers and counters is impossible to memorize.
Hope it gets better, if I can finish this part.

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>>16791619

[Anonymous No.]

>>16791619
できなくちゃ

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>>16791619

You don't need anki to learn japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16791619
You're probably just not paying enough attention. Take whatever you're failing to memorize and pay more attention to it in whatever manner you want so it leaves a mark on your memory.

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>>16781706
Might be a dumb question but I'm trying to read the first chapter of Zettai Reiiki
計算外だわ
The ghost girl thinks this to herself
First Kanji supposedly means plot or plan
second one means calculate
last one means outside
Any help on what she means by this?

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>>16791774
It's the word 計算 and the suffix 外.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16791774
Read the guide. Stop doing doing lone kanji study.

[Anonymous No.]

お尻は危うし

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[Anonymous No.]

>>16788905
>Xによくしていただければ would mean "if they treat you well"
I think you're right. Getting a large sum of money could be part of them treating you well, could it not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790075
な
ねーちゃん
Handwriting can be a pain to read, but you'll get used to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788905
>>16792444
Since the speaker is using the humble verb いたす and the いただく is in the potential form, isn't he saying "If I can receive the favor of having you be kind to them, I will pay you well"?

[Anonymous No.]

Just spotted this rare kanji in the wild:
膕
Use with care.

[Anonymous No.]

Is just reading and looking up kanji as you come across them a decent way to learn? I can't force myself to use anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792502
Using Anki is faster, but yeah, that also works. Just make sure you read every single day, and as much as you can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792502
I hate anki so I'm only doing 5 new cards a day and spending less than 10 minutes on it. It's better than nothing and takes no time at all so I can fit it anywhere during my day

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792487
Where'd you see it? Amagami?

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>>16792519
An 足フェチ manga that I saw on /a/ some months ago.

[Anonymous No.]

I started doing review ahead every day in Anki
but recently I get piled up by a lot of reviews, like 300-400 every day.
Is there a method to lower the review count I have to do every day.
I also notice I get the same card frequently although I'm pressing good in the custom study deck and increasing their interval, getting the same card day after day in the past 2 weeks. and always their good option is for 2 days, but It doesn't increase.
and yes reschedule cards option is on.

I thinking to stop review ahead because I feel I'm getting burn, but this method is great for me cause I get like 95% retention every day. but doing 500 reviews is no fun. pic related

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789059
What's recommended nowadays? I remember everyone recommending Genki a while ago.

[Anonymous No.]

What does 私 (わたくし) mean? What is the significance of the "く" here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792555
Tae Kim I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792557
What does わたし mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792557
It's the same as わたし but more formal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792560
Yeah I know but why is there an extra "く" in there sometimes?　What does it mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792563
The exact same thing just polite.

[Anonymous No.]

>大きいカバンは奥の部屋の押入れだったかな
I don't understand why だった is being used to express location. Given the context the translation is clearly: "The big bag was in the closet of the inner room, wasn'it?", but it could also be interpreted as "the big bas was the closet etc." The structure I'm used to instead is "place + に + subject + ある/いる"

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>>16792583
"(The place where) the big bag (was) was the closet, right?"
"As for the big bag ['s location], it was the closet, right?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792583
because it's past tense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792589
Ah I see now, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792563
Current Japanese linguistics has no idea, actually. The word just exists.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone else think it's really weird how some concepts are almost the exact same between Japanese and English even though they have no connection?

like the word "mainstream" it has to do with how most of the people like or prefer 1 thing.

It has nothing to do with "main" or "stream" it's just a term we made to describe that effect.

In Japanese it's 本流 "realstream"

I see more and more of these. Maybe it's just biased selection since I only notice it when it's there and not the 1000s of words where this isn't the case. But still how do humans from over the planet with no links develop the same concepts with the same type of words for them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792787
Yeah. Even weirder when it's idiomatic expressions like 一石二鳥.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792800
Oh lol I didn't even know they used that in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792800
Whats a good way to find some sound / pronounciaton audio for those? 三省堂 and コトバンク aren't giving any.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16790597

I watch game jikkyou videos all the time so that wasn't even that bad until the last one. Also no one's reading a game at that speed unless they're skimming, books are easier because the text is in one giant, unchanging block.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792962
Pronunciation is always the same that is one of the benefits of Japanese. いっせきにちょう

I'm not a native English speaker but I don't understand why (mostly americans) always need to hear pronounciation of Japanese stuff when it's pretty obvious from just reading right? Or am I just ignorant of some things that I don't know yet?

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>>16792972
So generally speaking, tones don't matter right? Even if I'm studying for work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792990
Are you female? If not you should be ok by just saying it like how you read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792994
Well I'm a guy, so I guess I'm fine then.

[Anonymous No.]

Is 220 cards in 17 mins too fast? Should I be taking more time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16793011

What matters is your retention, not your time. Preferably you should get at least a 90% correct rate with your non-new cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792990

Generally speaking you'll be fine, but tones do exist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra-ZQUyOVYc

Also if you don't want to sound like a gaijin, intonation patterns are pretty important, but if you're just concerned with being able to communicate effectively it's not too big of a deal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16792994
>Are you female?
What's the difference here? They need to pay attention to tones more, but why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16793053
Tones imply intention a lot of the time.

say 交わる with a normal tone and you do probably mean "meeting/joining" say it with a high and flirty tone and you mean having sex.

This is usually not the case with men and tones. It's a lot more tone neutral and depending on context.

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>>16793053

It's worse for a woman to be perceived as semi-autistic than a man. On the other end of the spectrum the opposite is true, it's worse for a man to be perceived as an okama than it is for a woman to be perceived as an anime character.

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>>16792787
>本流
I find it weird about this word and similar (主流) that they seemingly did not have this meaning in Middle Chinese, despite being Middle Chinese compounds. There's a Tang dynasty era citation that gives it the meaning of "capital city". European influence may have been at play!

>一石二鳥
This is one is actually cited as a Japanese calque specifically from English. Personally to me it even feels atypical for a Chinese originating expression as they're more likely to say 兩 instead of 二.

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>>16793053
Everybody (native speakers) enunciates words with a specific pitch accent pattern intrinsic to each word. The wrong pitch may make you sound like a maniac. Most people don't even realise this as evidenced by the replies you're getting. So, it's safe to say you'll acquire it without noticing it either.

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>>16793116
Really good post.

I only speak Japanese and indo-european languages so I can't see the connections between Chinese and Japanese.

Are you Chinese? How hard would it be for a Japanese speaker to pick up Chinese compared to say someone that only speaks English?

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>>16793032
このかたのえいごのはつおん

どこなまり？

にほんごなまりのえいごではないきがするよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16793146
>I only speak Japanese and indo-european languages so I can't see the connections between Chinese and Japanese.
Generally speaking most, or at least half of on'yomi kanji compounds in use in Japanese were created in China as part of their language, so there's that connection. It should be basic knowledge, actually...

>Are you Chinese? How hard would it be for a Japanese speaker to pick up Chinese compared to say someone that only speaks English?
I'm an Indo-European gaijin piggu. Well, to be honest, I have no idea. Chinese has its own peculiar grammar which is perhaps much closer in spirit to English, also in the manner in which things are communicated (usually directly and explicitly as we do). The Japanese speaker though will have the upper hand in learning the writing system and, some turns of phrase, if that even matters. I'd say it might be equal, but at the end of the day the Japanese person will simply blend in more / resonate with East Asian values more, from a societal standpoint. I guess that's that.

[Anonymous No.]

There have been comparisons a few threads back of the difficulty of literary Japanese to the difficulty of the English language in Ulysses. Wouldn't it be more proper to compare it to Shakespeare and perhaps Chaucer? Seeing as literary Japanese doesn't even have the same grammar as modern Japanese.

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>>16793212
It's dumb either way and a waste of time to think about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16793185
にほんごは

こりつした

げんご

[Anonymous No.]

>>16793254
英語の読解力悪いな、おまえ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16793287
イエス

ツー

センエンデス

[Anonymous No.]

>>16793212
Many of the auxiliary verbs are different in literary Japanese as compared to the modern language, but I don't think it's correct to say they don't have the same grammar. Learning 文語 grammar forces you to think of Japanese grammar using Japanese words and ideas, and when you do you realize that modern Japanese is still very much the same language. It puts everything more into perspective and clears up many of the apparent discrepancies or exceptions in the rules. I don't believe it's dumb or a waste to think about at all.

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>>16793694
Read this if you're keen: https://www.academia.edu/12981120/What_are_the_Advantages_of_the_Structural_Analysis_of_the_Classical_Japanese_Grammar_as_Compared_to_the_Traditional_Approach

[Anonymous No.]

>>16793725
Vovin is the man.

[Anonymous No.]

みんな, 日本語の抵抗は無駄だよ
もうすぐペラペラになる。なんでも文法は読みやすい
おとなしく諦めてください

[Anonymous No.]

>>16794105
これをばっちり読めていて絶望した

[Anonymous No.]

>>16794105
ばんざい！俺のぺらぺらは遠くです
わたくしはあなたに明日だ！！

[Anonymous No.]

>トムもまた、キムがそこに潜伏しているだろうと踏んでいたからだ。
Two questions:
1. What is もまた ? "Again" doesn't seem to make sense.
2. 踏む here means "estimate, guess" right?

[Anonymous No.]

>Xをプレイ済みですか?
>do you want the playing of X to be taken care of?
is this a right TL?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16794649
Have you finished playing X?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16794736
Yeah I realized that 2 mins after I posted, have you completed X. I'm still trying to put english constructs into the translation, while this shit is simple if you just start to THINK like them, but it's kinda hard getting in the mindset.

[Anonymous No.]

quick question: When going through tk / grammar how do you guys actually learn it? as in write down the examples and exercises on paper? in notepad or something?
It seems like a retarded question desu, but doing it in my head isn't seeming to actually remember most of it, and yet writing kanji on paper feels like cancer desu (at least to me)

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>>16794760
I think most people just read it until it sticks. You could try taking notes for each lesson or something like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16794544
>1. What is もまた ? "Again" doesn't seem to make sense.

Also. It's in addition to something else from the context.

>2. 踏む here means "estimate, guess" right?

Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16794760
There are premade decks with sentences. I also make cards for the conjugation tables.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16794544
>1. What is もまた ? "Again" doesn't seem to make sense.
トムも（また）、

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>>16794760
You commit it to memory. You don't want to memorize it. Memorizing grammar is pointless: it spends time in return for being able to recognize something that you don't understand.

Emphasis on the "understand" at the end of the above sentence. The focus, especially with grammar, is to /acquire/ language features, not memorize them. If you memorize them, you will only be able to recognize them more easily. You need to actually "acquire" them before they feel intuitive, before they "make sense" in your head.

The only way to acquire language features, is to consume something that you understand that contains those features, and for your brain to have enough of the other parts of the language in order to be able to see the psychology behind those features rather than just their pattern and meaning.

http://pastebin.com/raw/yEmNDLAP

[Anonymous No.]

>>16793116
I don't think 主流 is inspired by contact with the west considering 流行 means "trend" and also has the stream kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16794760

You skim it once so you can recognize some things and get a basic understanding of how grammar works, then reference it while reading. You aren't supposed to memorize it at all.

[Anonymous No.]

"Big bhudda was truly in Nara"

Can someone explain what this means? Is it some sort of Japanese proverb or something? Is it just the joke of the comic that the girl uses random Japanese words?

[Anonymous No.]

>自分にとって望まない情報が出てくると、まず“逃避”から入るんだな？
Why the から ? Wouldn't it be に ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16794944
Have you tried learning japanese yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16794969
Yes, It didn't work. Which is why I'm asking for help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16794967
I think 入る is being used in the sense of "to start from."
>まず“逃避”から入るんだな？
To begin with, you start from "evasion," right?

It's used in the same way here in the form of 形から入る:
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1083501195

[Anonymous No.]

>>16794944
>Is it just the joke of the comic that the girl uses random Japanese words?
Pretty sure that's an Azumanga Daioh panel.
>>16794975
>Yes, It didn't work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc_UVpFayaw

[Anonymous No.]

>>16794944
I don't know why she's saying it, but there's no "in".

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795057
Why did my dyslexia have to transfer to japanese、Misplaced the に only noticed it when you mentioned it.

>>16795041
Yeah nevermind. I thought it was a one-panel custom made joke or something. Bamboozled by random 4chan anons again!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16794760
I'm taking notes, grabbing some words, and conjugating them. It's kind of a weird learning experience in that you need vocabulary to see grammar in context, and you need grammar to pick out new vocabulary from anything except vocabulary exercises.

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese is a pretty fun language but how do Japanese students write texts? Is it all digital these days? I mean it must be a pain in the ass to write any kind of scientific text when you stumble upon Kanji with 15+ strokes, it just takes far too long to write one word. That's how I feel about it at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795382
Everyone every single Japanese person writes digitally. Only writing handwritten kanji for their names or in Japanese language class.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795382

Classrooms in Japan these days pretty much all have desks with touchpads/mobiles built into the top of the desk itself, so exams and study and whatnot are all done digitally via texting methods or IME on keyboards.

Even the white/blackboards are digital now, so you don't even get the classic 'student dusting off the chalkboard' trope happening in most places.

Only poor/delinquent schools still have pen and paper and chalkboards for learning. Like in GTO.

Sad times for slice of life lovers of a bygone era.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795458
Pic of such a modern classroom? All the ones in Google are just the normal ones so I have a hard time believing this is the norm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795458
You live in imagination land.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16794851
I haven't been able to found ancient attestations of 主流 as used to mean "mainstream" figuratively. It seems to have been used in the meaning of, "the essential point" instead. But I didn't look deep at all, I was just bored. It's easier to say people generally just didn't use the concept, something evidenced by the fact that every other language seems to borrow verbatim the English word "mainstream" now. Tang 本流 translates as one's capital, i.e. wealth or skills: base + flow.

Sorry, it is an actually useless discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795476
>>16795486

[Anonymous No.]

when you read kanji, what sounds does it make it your head?
with kana there's a clear sound, but is that possible with kanji? or does it change on depending on context?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795510
What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795382
I know for most of history people would use a style of calligraphy that abbreviated the characters whilst leaving them legible, in order to write fast by hand. They were expected both to be able to write them and to be able to read them. I think a lot of Chinese still do this casually, which is crazy to me, to be honest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795510
Are you talking about readings? I don't understand your question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795510
The meaning is in my head in Japanese. So I read its meaning. In Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795510
I generally hear the 音読み. I think that's why it's called the 音読み.
For some kanji a 訓読み comes to mind first instead, though.

[Anonymous No.]

Do any of you guys watch JP TV, or do you all just play VNs? There's some fun shows out there, it'd be neat to get more recommendations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795647
I don't, but I see some threads about Japanese drama/television here in /jp/ from time to time. You could probably find some decent recs on warosu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795532
ahh. so you get the meaning first

>>16795512
>>16795524
to try and clarify:
say you were reading ありがとう aloud, the word is pieced together because each symbol has a specific sound associated with it. like when a kid sees 'cat' and goes c-a-t, cat!
but with kanji, can you immediately know what sound to make, or do you have to take context into account first?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795729
>but with kanji, can you immediately know what sound to make, or do you have to take context into account first?
You can usually guess for unknown words, but most of the time, you look at the word the kanji is part of, rather than the kanji itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795647
Go watch 家族ゲーム (2013). After that I stopped watching Japanese TV because nothing compares, it's that good. It makes you feel quite uncomfortable and many times you will ask yourself "How can something like this be aired on TV...?" but it's really addicting in a way and the final few episodes are simply brilliant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795752
ahh, that makes sense
thank you

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795729
You can immediately know what sound to make because when you read you don't parse individual letters, you read whole words at a time by recognizing their shape. In English, letters represent several sounds but you don't typically read 'cat' and pronounce the 'a' like the one in 'father'.

[Anonymous No.]

So what's the deal with 八百屋? I mean it looks like 800 roofs, but is actually green grocer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795896
Word corruption and shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795896
>800
A corruption of あお
>roofs
屋 has more than 1 meaning. Kanji just tend to have multiple meanings that seem barely or not at all related. It's annoying but it's what it is. I like to remember 大切 where 切 means "close, dear".

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795729
If I'm reading a word I don't know, then I just guess at the reading and meaning then continue till the end of the sentence, then go back and see if I'm right. If there's okurigana then I will just use the first kunyomi that comes to mind, with sounds softening or warping where it feels right. If there's no okurigana then I just use the first onyomi that comes to mind, again with sounds warping etc. Even if there's a kanji you don't know, often you can guess at the reading by spotting certain radicals.
If I can't even make a guess then there will just be a conspicuous blank space in the sentence, which sometimes evokes a sort of mumbling sound.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16785503

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788619
Only if the word is given with the pitch accent pattern.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788619
I find audio helps me recognize words when I'm listening to Japanese.
Especially longer words like 現実逃避 or 単刀直入

[Anonymous No.]

Have a problem with ITHVNR. I can open it but the window for it doesn't seem to show up no matter what. I was using it just fine, but this time it just wont appear all of a sudden. I don't know what the fuck happened. Not an IT expert.

[Anonymous No.]

Could anybody recommend me a vocab deck that has just a word with kanji on one side and the reading with meaning in English on the other? I'm really new to anki and these threads. Apologies if I'm a retard. If my level matters, I barely scraped by passing N2 a year ago (majored in college).

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>>16797739
If you have N2 you're better off making your own deck. Check the "Rikaisama's Anki Real-Time Import Feature" of this page: https://djtguide.neocities.org/anki.html

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>>16795896
屋 can also mean "store" and "room" so meaning grocer is still reasonable. but the 八百 is just random bullshit you have to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

Anybody have the azw3 files for 冴えない彼女の育てかた from volumes one to three?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16796893
少女

でけんさくすると

セーラーがいっぱいでる

にほんヤバイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16798429
どうやったらその彼女らたちにセックスを…

[Anonymous No.]

>>16798455
まずお友達からはじめようよおにいちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

>>16798429
セーラー服が飽きたか

[Anonymous No.]

>>16798455
少年とセックスあげるぞ

[Anonymous No.]

Most common reading for 賤?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16798636
Where did you even find this?

[Anonymous No.]

what's the difference between なり and あと

[Anonymous No.]

>>16798775
ふたなり

[Anonymous No.]

どっちの業が深い？

Ａ．割礼失敗で性器破壊する白人牧師

Ｂ．９歳の露出ビデオを撮影した日本人教師

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>>16792536
Are you sure you understand the point behind Anki/spaced repetition?

The idea is that the algorithm tries to find the minimum amount of reviews you need to do to have a 90% retention rate for mature cards (which translates to remembering 95% of the cards if you do a random sampling of your deck).
Doubling or tripling your reviews by reviewing ahead just to increase that rate to 95% (= ~97,5% of the cards remembered) is a horrible waste of time that you could've used to learn twice as many cards instead.

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>>16799312
>The idea is that the algorithm tries to find the minimum amount of reviews you need to do to have a 90% retention rate for mature cards (which translates to remembering 95% of the cards if you do a random sampling of your deck).
That's not anki's goal and it's not its effect either.

[Anonymous No.]

>オンラインでお話しした方がよろしければそうします
>If you need to go off-line, that is fine.
Isn't this just plain wrong, or is there something I'm missing?

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>>16799425
https://apps.ankiweb.net/docs/manual.html#reviews

See in "Interval modifier" chapter. Anki's algorithm is set to 90% at default settings.
To go from 90% to 95%, you need to set the Interval modifier to log(95%)/log(90%) = 48% which results in twice as many reviews.

The goal of the SuperMemo algorithm isn't to make you remember everything, it's a trade-off between remembering enough and not wasting time reviewing stuff you know well.

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>>16799622
The manual does not say that anki is designed to find the point where you have 90% mature retention. It says that the average user /should/ have 90% mature retention, and that they should adjust the interval modifier otherwise.

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>>16799631
That doesn't change my point though. It's saying you *should* have 90%, so cramming to reach 95% means using time you could've used to learn twice as many cards instead.

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>>16799647
I didn't argue about your point, I argued about something made-up you said about anki.

Second point:

>(which translates to remembering 95% of the cards if you do a random sampling of your deck).
isn't how mature retention works statistically

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>>16799669
If you have a 90% mature retention rate, that means, you remember 90% of the cards at the point Anki decides to make you review that card.

Assuming a card has 100% right after you've reviewed it, which goes down to 90% roughly linearly (see >>16799622 , yes, it's a curve, but a line is a close enough approximation), and also assuming your cards are spread evenly among that line, you should be able to remember 95% of a random sample.

[Anonymous No.]

How much did changing your phone's language to nihongo help you?

[Anonymous No.]

>arguing over minor anki details that no one should really give a shit about

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>>16799812
Apart from the few new words you have to learn, not at all.

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>>16799688
The issue is that mature cards are not a consistent set. "Younger" mature cards lapse differently than "older" mature cards, and there are mostly "older" mature cards in the deck itself, but anki shows "younger" mature cards more often. So even with an infinitely long deck, mature retention doesn't eventually approach the overall retention of the deck as a whole, because the stat is biased towards cards anki is showing you more, i.e. younger ones and ones with worse retention.

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>>16799812
It's good to slowly change everything into Japanese (OS, programs, website defaults etc). It won't turn you into a Japanese god all of a sudden since in total there isn't that many words in those, but immersion is always good.

[Anonymous No.]

So 90% is meant to be the standard anki pass %?

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>>16800095
No, "remembering the words well enough to read" is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16800095
As long as you remember more words than you forget, you are making progress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16800095
Install True Retention.

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>>16800095

Don't let what those arguing chucklefucks get to you. They are being petty.

Listen to these guys:

>>16800122
>>16800134

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>>16800095
no it's "can i read this word?"

Ankiism is a disease.

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After months of reading I still don't get the には particle. I've researched a couple of explanations on to what it is, but still I can't quite seem to get it over me. It more confused me than shed light on it.

Is it simply に - target particle + は - topic particle or is it a completely another particle in its own?

What's the nuance between:
>私は君の運命が見える
and
>私には君の運命が見える？

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>>16800477
>私は君の運命が見える
Doesn't really make sense to me. 私 has nothing to do with 君の運命が見える
That's why you need には to specify that 私 is the one that 君の運命が見える or you could swap it around and say 君の運命は私に見える
The difference between the two is that 私には stresses 私 as it's being flagged as the topic, and in the other 君の運命は is being stressed.

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>>16800477
>>16800554
All in all it's just に + は

[Anonymous No.]

https://japaneselibrary.wordpress.com/thanh-toan/

is that legit? don't seem to me, i got their listing, but don't paid anything, I can read a few of vietnam language, but hey if its legit if it was "leaked" would be really great.

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>>16800477
do you understand what に does? Same thing with で

Time/date expressions you can see why/how it works clearly

For example:
>春休みには映画を見る
This just makes 春休み the date as well as topic. You can break it up by having for example:
>僕は春休みに映画を見る

I'm sorry if this is wrong but I think this is correct.

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>>16800477
Do you worry about which prepositions and phrases are correct in english? No. Do you have any idea what makes them correct? No. You just see them so often that you have a natural feeling for which statements they're appropriate for.

Japanese is the same. What particles to use for what parts of the statement in what situations for what nuances and meanings, it's all about convention. The best thing for you to do is read real material, so you can see what sorts of situations and in what combinations with what other words the characters and narration use different particles in. That's how you'll actually acquire how they're used.

[Anonymous No.]

>いただける
>もらう

When you use these as ways to ask someone/want someone to do something, how exactly is it different from the simple command form like:
>てください

For example:
>音楽はうらさすぎるからしずかしてください
versus
>音楽はうらさすぎるからしずかしていただきませんか？
versus
>音楽はうらさすぎるからしずかしてもらえませんか？

It is a matter of politeness and simply nuance?

[Anonymous No.]

Are you using the latest method for typing Japanese?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkJZDvHMyTA

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>>16800959
You probably mean 五月蝿すぎる and 静かにして.
してください - please do this.
いただく is humble もらう - have someone do something for you.
You can use various forms to express different levels of politeness, usually the more roundabout the more polite it gets.
静かにしてもらっていいか？ - could I have you be quiet?
静かにしていただけませんでしょうか？ - would it perhaps be possible to receive the favor of you being quiet?
etc

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I'm reading hanahira and I encountered the sentence
「そりゃ私のセリフよっ。ここは私の部屋で、あまねの布団はあまねの布団っ」
Can anyone explain to me what セリフ means in this context? Rikaisama simply says it means serif. Wikipedia says serif is the ends if letters in serif fonts, surely this isn't what she is talking about? Someone with 200iq pls help me out

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>>16801020
"Hey, that's my line."

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>>16801020
>>16801025
i.e. it's 台詞, just written in katakana.

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>>16801020
Try not being blind

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>>16801012
that is what i meant. thanks anon!

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>>16801025
>>16801031
>>16801032
Oh god, thanks guys, I'm retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

天突きっていったい何なのか

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/ と/int/ は合併したい。

[Anonymous No.]

I have various Anki decks and I do about 500 reviews per day. It is not that much and I can do it less than an hour if I work diligently but the problem is that I don't. I'm so bored with Anki that I keep tabbing out and wasting time on imageboards or Youtube instead of learning and I only want to do actual Japanese content after I am done with my Anki reviews for the day so I don't have to worry about it, but I always end up pushing all my reviews until like 2am when I am about to fall asleep and then I just blast through them all, something I wish I could have done earlier so I could have moved on to more compelling content. How do I acquire the discipline to do everything upon waking up so I don't have to worry about it anymore? This is really depressing.

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>>16801936
its not april 1st in japan anymore friendo

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>>16802120
I find doing it on a mobile device away from the computer helps.
Alternatively, lessen your work load.

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>>16802120
You can start by reducing your work load. 1 hour is a lot, not to mention ineffective if you're barely consuming actual content. Sounds like you just lack a proper attention span, which is something that can't be fixed by reading some random guy's 4chan post. がんばれ

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>>16802120
Play action games. 15 minutes a day. They improve your attention span. Genre doesn't matter, only the fact that there are multiple immediate goals at all times. Keep it to a minimum.

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>>16802120
I always do my reps in bed in the morning on my tablet and I've never failed. I probably would fail occasionally if I had to do it sitting at the desktop distraction machine. I also never allow myself breaks on 4chan or other websites, only a snack in the middle. If my brain gets stuck on some other topic I saw on 4chan it's much more difficult.

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>>16802126
Yea. Ironically I get more done on work days because of commuting through public transportation. I'll just try doing as much as I can right in my bed with my phone after I wake up instead of turning on the computer.

>>16802131
I feel like all my decks are vital and it really isn't that much. It's just that I don't do them at the speed I should.

>>16802134
I'm not sure if that is true but I suppose I don't mind playing games for 15 minutes a day.

>>16802171
It is much more difficult. I can clearly observe it on myself.

Alright, tomorrow I'll do all my reviews before even booting up the PC!

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>>16802134
I find it ironic that a task aimed at improving focus lasts only 15 minutes, and is centered around "lots of immediate goals".

Isn't that some ADHD heavylifting self-destruction?

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>>16802182
>I feel like all my decks are vital
Nothing more vital to learning Japanese than actually exposing yourself to the language.

[Anonymous No.]

i love the person that put the DJT lib up, it's amazing and has so many resources i've been reading there like crazy. even though i'm only 5k into the core 6k i can read a lot.

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>>16802204
It's the opposite. Action games reward you for general purpose, and the player has to figure out how to manage their time and filter the immediate goals into only the ones that are useful.

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>>16802399
>general purpose
general performance*

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>>16802399
Oh, so one shouldn't go over 15 minutes? This might need some elaboration.

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>>16802490
If you go too long then it's just "not learning japanese" rather than "getting a better attention span".

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>>16802502
Yes, but having or not an exact deadline is a big deal on how you play it. Else you can just set up a "play one stage" goal that might take anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes.

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>Mature: 1

I wonder what card it is. Learning is hard when you're getting on in years, friends, please do it when you're young.

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>>16802665
I understand what you are talking about. All of my relatives are reporting the same thing and I have read a lot about things like brain plasticity. I'm 19 now and I'm learning Japanese as my fourth language. It is not the only thing I'm learning either. But as a result I'm really lacking a proper social life. I mostly just do Anki reviews, read and play video games from time to time. What I want to say is that your younger years surely were not wasted if you enjoyed the time with your friends and experienced a lot of things. As for me, while I am not really interested in social events and the like I can't help but wonder if I am not wasting my youth doing nothing but things by myself.

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>>16801936
自閉症な子はここから動かないでしょう

本当のニンジャズと追いつかねぇ

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>>16802718

The thing is, you can have plenty of fun and plenty of socialization at any point in your life, but learning is at its best before you hit age 25.

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>>16802718
>I can't help but wonder if I am not wasting my youth doing nothing but things by myself.
if you become dependent on others for entertainment, you have failed at the introverted life, which you obviously have

[Anonymous No.]

How can I stop myself from being afraid of talking to japanese people?
I know I'll never get better if I don't start at some point.

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>>16802848
Find people who want to practice their English.

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>>16802848
do you mean in real life or online?

[Anonymous No.]

>basically learn hiragana in one day
>second day can almost read it at a s steady but slow pace.
>katakana will probably take as much time
>dread the thought of starting kanji and the clusterfuck it looks like

what is the best way to learn it?

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>>16802961
I don't know who you're quoting but they probably haven't read the guide.

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>>16802961
I dunno man we all just kinda pretend we know japanese here.
there might be a guide or something

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>>16802967
shit I scanned the OP poorly and didnt see the link