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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.

Previous thread: >>16737114

This thread is for the discussion and learning of Japanese with raw VNs, LNs, anime and manga.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Let's have a nice thread by reporting and ignoring off-topic posts.

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I deninai japanese.

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Isn't this the other way around?
Speaker is the one receiving Japanese lessons?

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>> No.16760069

Is Kanji Kentei worth it? I have JLPT N2

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Yeah, it's a typo even in the original.

>> No.16760193

If you're only learning Japanese to jack off to some cartoons, not really. If you want to truly learn Japanese then yes, it's pretty much essential.

>> No.16760199

Kanji aren't japanese.

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>> No.16760214

Kanji is Engrish

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>> No.16760609
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How many volumes of manga have you read in Japanese? pic related

>> No.16760656

I just read Dies irae for exactly one hour as a fun experiment.
240 lines
7705 symbols
So fucking slow heh. For comparison, on average reads I hit about 25kb / 500+ lines per hour. Though at least I felt like it wasn't all that hard to comprehend nor did I get stuck on lines for too long. In fact Cross Channel is much more incomprehensible on that font with Taichi's weird thought patterns and jokes...

>> No.16760658

73 normal manga volumes and around 100 or so eromanga volumes.

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>> No.16760684

ワンピース 11巻

>> No.16760758

How many cards on core 2k/6k do I need to know before I can begin reading Yotsuba in japanese?

>> No.16760773

Whenever you want, but you shouldn't delay it beyond 2K. Realize that it's going to be hard, you'll need to look up multiple words a page, but if you persevere it'll get easier.

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>> No.16760783

I would recommend about 2k, just so you have a good baseline from which to guess at all the slurred speech.

>> No.16760801

I read Zettai Reiiki with around 800 words from Core2k.

>> No.16760854

Was that the intro?
Dies's intro is almost entirely narration. The narration in Dies is quite hard, much harder than the dialogue, especially in the intro, the prose is just so incredibly histrionic. It's great. But it's so hard.

>> No.16760857

Don't read Yotsuba, that thing is so full of words that have been slang raped completely out of shape that it's not even funny.

>> No.16760878

if i only read manga and only understand bits and pieces will i still improve?

>> No.16760882


You don't acquire language when you understand how things are said. You acquire language when you understand what they mean. Even if you can't break it up into parts.

>> No.16760894

good to hear, thanks.

>> No.16760898

I think it's easier to just grab a pile of example sentences from jisho with translations and thoroughly analyse them until you properly understand their workings.

>> No.16760899

Of course, you're still going to improve slower than if you studied grammar and/or memorized vocab alongside reading, but even if you only read, you'll still improve, and eventually, probably faster than if you only did studies and never read at all.

>grab a pile of example sentences from jisho with translations
Don't do that.

>> No.16760914

well i use the grammar reference from the OP when i find something that looks like it could be in there, ive also study grammar from time to time but its not very compelling

>> No.16760917

DoJG sentences are better.

>> No.16760936

Yes, it was.
"Almost entirely narration" is a bit of an exaggeration though. It's about the same as every other NVL format VN I've played. There's a good chunk of dialogue in there. And voiced dialogue being easier than narration is true for like, everything. The writing style was indeed quite grandiose but it's far from the unconquerable beast that I thought it would be after how people talked about it. As said, the bits of C+C/IMA I've read are much harder imo. It's good to hear it gets easier after the intro though, I might attempt the full game sooner than I thought,

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The biggest secret DJT ever held was that Dies is actually a moege

>> No.16761052

Is there any special instances where の replaces が in subordinate phrases? Or is it all subordinate phrases?
For example, is
Any different from
? Or is the second phrase just incorrect?

>> No.16761063

It's a matter of style/ambiguity. Nothing more, at least these days.

>> No.16761070

At the very least if I, Gaijin Japanese expert, saw the second phrase (as in double がs) I'd double take and maybe think the author messed up

>> No.16761075

Holy fuck, I don't know if I just need more experience or not but that sentence in your picture is a fucking nightmare to read. Can anyone actually make sense of that shit? It kinda seems like a massive run-on sentence or something.

>> No.16761086

The second one is incorrect, but
is correct. の can do this function in pretty much all subordinate phrases.

>> No.16761088

Only 5 kanji in it. Doesn't seem too hard.

>> No.16761094

I mean 何の疚しい所のない, fuck

>> No.16761104

That's just basic Japanese, friend. I think tae kim even used that as an example sentence, verbatim.

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>mfw i spent 1000 hours in anki
>doesnt include making cards and hitting undo which i do a lot

>> No.16761147

I quit at 500

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>look up 思考 to be sure

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Does anyone have the N1 mock tests from the Shin Kanzen Master guys? I found them on Amazon but they are kinda pricey.



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>> No.16761260

Do you have any qualifications?
Huh, do I have any weakpoints? Not in particular, I'm invincible.

>> No.16761310


            / ̄ ̄\    ほう!TOEIC42000点!
          /   _ノ  \   Fランの割にはやりますね。
          |    ( ●)(●)  どれ、すこし英語で面接してみましょう。
          |     (__人__)  ちなみに、私のTOEICのスコアは53万です。
             |     ` ⌒´ノ  ですが、もちろんフルパワーであなたと面接する気はありませんからご心配なく
              |         }  
              ヽ        }    わっちゅあ ねーむ?はぁぁん?
            ヽ、.,__ __ノ   
   _, 、 -― ''"::l:::::::\ー-..,ノ,、.゙,i 、
  /;;;;;;::゙:':、::::::::::::|_:::;、>、_ l|||||゙!:゙、-、_
 丿;;;;;;;;;;;:::::i::::::::::::::/:::::::\゙'' ゙||i l\>::::゙'ー、
    /      \       (くっ・・・TOEIC53マンだと・・・
   /  ─    ─\       捏造拳を10倍までひきあげるしかねぇ・・・
 /    (>) (●) \       俺の良心よ、もってくれ!捏造拳10倍だぁぁぁぁ)
 |  U   (__人__)    |     
 \     ` ⌒´   /      ま、まいねーむいずやるお
,,.....イ.ヽヽ、___ ーーノ゙-、.        はうあーゆー ちゅでい?
:   |  '; \_____ ノ.| ヽ i
    |  \/゙(__)\,|  i |

>> No.16761317

Nice typesetting, OP, I can almost tell there is something written there.

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>> No.16761346

My name is Anonymous

>> No.16761349

I have already shooped several OP pics and they are all very readable, but I'm not sure how that relates with my complaint at all.

Even if I corrected his shitty choice of colors, this thread will be up for a week regardless. The damage is done.

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>> No.16761375

It's technically true.

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Hey DJT.

I noticed the city 春日井 is pronounced かすがい but I have trouble finding those sounds for the Kanji used in the city name. How would you explain how those Kanji get that pronunciation?

Names in general still are strange to me, especially this one since I can't find correlation between the Kanji used and how the name is pronounced.

>> No.16761383

I believe the point is, fix it instead of complaining, or be quiet, because pointless complaining is whiny and obnoxious.
Where do the sounds of きょう come from in 今日?

>> No.16761386

It's not supposed to be readable, it's supposed to be funny.

And it's not an original OP.

>> No.16761395


>Where do the sounds of きょう come from in 今日?

Hmm is your point that some of these combinations of Kanji have their own stand alone pronunciation? What would be the best way to approach names of cities, people etc. if this is the case. Just experience/practice?

Or if you're just asking, i don't know.

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Your issue is more that you're probably using Rikai.

Wikipedia (https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%98%A5%E6%97%A5) even shows that かすが is one of the more popular readings, as a name.

If you're really having trouble, just associate it with this guy, he's the most popular Kasuga around on TV right now.

い as an ending meaning town shouldn't be giving you any trouble.

>> No.16761412

It's just arbitrary shit, don't worry about it.

>> No.16761416

Japanese names are full of irregular readings.
Read 惡の華 and you'll never forget that reading again.

>> No.16761432

Yes >>16761412
Kanji came after the names
The best way to approach it is to grind or be Japanese, there's no logical answer

>> No.16761730

I've been out of the loop for a while. Any change on learning methods or new contributions to the CoR/Guide?

Last I checked, some guy was making improvements to the DoJG reference/deck? What happened to that?

>> No.16761931

there is no loop and learning a language isnt a videogame where shit gets patched to buff or nerf things

get your ass back to the grinder w/e that happens to be for you

>> No.16762139

Is 鯱 considered to be dangerous if 鯱張る makes you tense?

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This guy looks pretty tense already.

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On a scale of 1 to 10 how unreadable is this?

>> No.16762291

2, but it lacks soul.

>> No.16762294

How do I give my writing more soul?

>> No.16762300

おもしろい ひょうげんだね
ふたつの どうしの いみは おなじでも
おんよみの "思考"より くんよみの "考える"の ほうが
より Primitiveな こうい という いんしょうを うける
あくまで こじんてきな いけん だけど

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Can someone confirm what the usage of 'うち’ means within this sentence? Context is that this one guy is talking about some plot ideas for a game and this girl is getting mad at the guy for wasting his time.

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Throw in some cute little hearts and smiley faces,

>> No.16762330

Why do you draw は like this? Your handwriting is okay, it's readable. Needs some more practice, though.

>> No.16762331

"I", you dumb nerd.

>> No.16762344

Nothing wrong with the は.

>> No.16762351

Like the other anon said it doesn't look natural at all, kind of like if you were writing for an assignment for 2nd grade and were graded on handwriting. Not saying this is bad if you're working on your writing it just doesn't look very natural or fluid.

>> No.16762358

But it is completely readable.

>> No.16762363

Huh. I guess that makes sense. I've never seen that used before.

>> No.16762369

It's kansai-ben.

>> No.16762370

内 with the "while" meaning

>> No.16762374

It looks weird and I've never seen anyone write it like that. Just makes it more obvious that a foreigner wrote that.

>> No.16762390

How would the sentence work if it meant 'while'? I can't really seem to think of any way that would fit.

>> No.16762438

Is it acceptable to tell someone they should refer to you as name-san if they're being too friendly and are pissing you off?

>> No.16762445

She could still 見逃す while he was 消費型オタ

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>> No.16762464

I get what you mean, and that's what I initially thought too, but then what is the は particle there for? All the examples I saw for while used うちに

>> No.16762479

は makes it sound like while you are/were X
に makes it sound like while you still are X

I don't actually know any grammar rules

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>> No.16762548

He writes it exactly like my font shows it. He probably never learned how to write it properly.

>> No.16762562

Go ask Nips if you don't trust me

>> No.16762563

Why is the language with the best entertainment besides English, Japanese, also the hardest language anyone could possibly hope to learn? It's just not fair . . .

>> No.16762570

Languages aren't hard. Japanese just requires a little more time than most, which is hardly a deal-breaker.

>> No.16762571

It's true. I just copied what I saw in books and use the top left to bottom right method of writing characters.
I didn't go to school or Japan.

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is it handwriting comparison time?

>> No.16762579

Wait should I be writing with my notebook sideways?

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You can tell it on things like your 子, font 子 has the line going straight down but handwritten the descending stroke is more curved like this. If you're really worried about you're handwriting you may want to look up the stroke orders and pay attention to the curves and such you would normally ignore.

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>Last I checked, some guy was making improvements to the DoJG reference/deck?
How am I supposed to know when you last checked it?

Pretty readable, but boring. If you want to get some flow going on, first thing you need to know is stroke order - I'm assuming you already do.

Then, maybe you could try an exercise I enjoy sometimes: write whole kanjis with a single stroke.

It might end up looking like shit, but you will notice patterns of movement in it that you can later apply to less messy extents.

Here are a few examples. Doing it with a brush or something with pressure variation (like digital) can also help, at least initially, to explore the "personality" of each kanji to better suit your tastes.

>> No.16762611

You may not believe me but I drew those 子s exactly as the gif shows and they still turn out as I wrote them.
I know I'm bad at them especially.

>> No.16762613

Doesn't matter either way really, I typically alternate a page vertical and a page horizontal if I'm doing handwriting just for the novelty of it but both are commonly used in Japan.

>> No.16762616

I find long strings of kana waaaaay harder to read than sentences with lots of kanji. Assuming I know the kanji.

>> No.16762629

No, I believe you. I still have trouble with 子's too, I was just making sure you were aware and were trying to fix it which is really all you need to do and it will eventually get better.

>> No.16762642

I'll keep working on it then.

I'll try some of this too but I'll need to get a brush pen of some sort. All I have at the moment are ball-points.

>> No.16762646

It's probably not necessary since 横書き seems pretty common these days, but I prefer it because I'm left handed so it stops me getting ink all over my fingers.

>> No.16762663

My anki real time import isnt importing sound. What do I do.

>> No.16762677

Ctrl+F the previous thread and rejoice that you are now freed from the burden of listening to Anki.

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>> No.16762699

>but I'll need to get a brush pen of some sort
I recommend doing both - pen strokes are limited, but they can also offer more clarity in certain situations.

>> No.16762709

Difficulty is relative and based on how similar the new language is to your native one. Japanese is not that hard for Koreans, for example. But it's the hardest language to learn for native English speakers, with only Chinese able to compete. Sorry! Life just isn't fair sometimes.

If it makes you feel any better, English is the hardest language to learn for native Japanese speakers. And they have a bigger economic motivation to do so, with English being the global lingua franca.

>> No.16762736

English is my third language actually. I also know one more germanic and one slavic language. They really don't help with Japanese though.

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>> No.16762884

>English is the hardest language to learn for native Japanese speakers
False, they have even bigger problems with languages like Hungarian or Polish.

>> No.16762914

Thankfully no one cares about those compared to english

>> No.16762926

What was the purpose of this post? Honestly curious, did you think it would be a new information for anyone browsing this site?

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>> No.16763176

What is the best JP-ENG machine translator?
So far I use Google Translate, but not sure if it is accurate enough

>> No.16763218

Aren't kana characters meant to be smaller than the kanji?

>> No.16763247

I'd be making mad dosh if I had an accurate translator for JP>ENG

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>> No.16763257

can i just copy paste my anki folder to an external hdd when reformatting and it will work still? this syncing with ankiweb is incredibly slow

>> No.16763270

Personally, out of all the shitty translators Ive used google has been by far the best.

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Sorry for the Off topic post

i came to ask a favour for /jp/. We are having this greatest albums tournment at this exact moment on /mu/ and Fishmans needs our help:

This is only the first semis. You can still vote within the next 18 hours before the poll time limit is closed

(You can also vote for king crimson. Also make sure to vote once or else it won't work)


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Not your personal army. Reported.

>> No.16763418

Can you link to where he uses it? Or, can someone just provide a translation of that sentence?

>> No.16763443

all these fucking negatives always get me

>> No.16763695

>I find long strings of kana waaaaay harder to read than sentences with lots of kanji.
I'm at this level as well. It sometimes feels and looks like a bunch of gibberish.

Sentences with kanji are usually much easier to dissect.

>> No.16763724

my writing in class is probably 50x uglier than this and I never get marked down.

>> No.16763735

Install Yu Kyokasho from https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html#fonts and copy it instead of whatever font you were copying.

Your stroke order doesn't have to be 100% correct, but it had to follow the general principles of stroke order. You can acquire the general principles of stroke order naturally by memorizing the correct stroke order for a small number of kanji, maybe 20 or so. Make sure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Principles_of_Yong is one of those kanji.

>> No.16763806

rough attempt follows.


>rather than saying I was annoyed/hated 'it' (no context here as to what), that's not quite right, if I had to say one way or the other,

wasn't not unhappy

didn't not think

don't not feel

>Rather than saying I don't like it, that's not quite right, if I had to say one way or the other, I don't not get the feeling that I wasn't not thinking that I'm not not unhappy about it.

Idgaf to mess around with tenses or whatnot so take it or leave it. Unless I am on mount stupid, the point of this sentence is that she is softening "嫌がってる" to "嬉しくない". But she is (presumably purposefully) doing so in a confusing roundabout retarded way that would leave even natives going "what is this bitch on".

>> No.16763810

Oops, meant to quote >>16763418 for the 2nd post quoted.

>> No.16763824

I know that "desu" gets shortened to "dess" because of laziness, but why does "ga" become "nga" in some instances? When does it normally happen?


>> No.16763838

>I know that "desu" gets shortened to "dess" because of laziness
That's not laziness, that's how it's actually pronounced.

>why does "ga" become "nga" in some instances? When does it normally happen?
That's a moribund upper-class tokyo dialectal feature and is not standard japanese.

>> No.16763841

The "g" sound is just softened. Usually happens after a vowel sound.

>> No.16763843

>I know that "desu" gets shortened to "dess"
No, it doesn't. Stop saying this.
>but why does "ga" become "nga"
It doesn't.

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Fucking chuuni manga holy shit. This is way harder than I ever imagined.

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>`I quite agree with you,' said the Duchess; `and the moral of that is--"Be what you would seem to be"--or if you'd like it put more simply--"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."'


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A few tips
1. Kana should always be around 70% the size of kanji when written together
2. Simpler kanji should be smaller and more complex kanji should be larger (10% change)
3. You lack speed/commitment in your strokes. Write each stroke quickly so it doesn't end up squiggly.

Extra credit:
- Don't copy computer fonts. Hand written kanji is often times different from block print. Especially proportion and points of exaggeration, stroke direction, and sometimes even stroke orders.

>> No.16764310


How's that?

>> No.16764315

Actually, sorry maybe 可能性の範疇外 might have been better here.

I think the Japanese is less confusing in this case.

>> No.16764325

What's the name of this book?

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It also had a bit about the history of kanji (block vs handwritten) starting in china up until jouyou kanji was introduced. Really good shit, anon.

>> No.16764363

Thanks anon, this looks great.

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>> No.16764444

Learning Japanese is fun.

>> No.16764450

i wonder if he can write 禿げ上がる

>> No.16764466

Hey, I have that same pen.

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I'm not sure what this says
The top line is a sentence, the bottom are different options

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Thanks anon
What about this

>> No.16764523

it says the fuck outta here bottom feeder

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y-you too

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>> No.16764987

Is there any site that breaks up kanji into kanji/words rather than parts?

For example: 蹄
Jisho tells me that the left radical here is 足, but it doesn't tell me what the right is. It only gives the single parts. Basically I want something to tell me it's 足+帝. And I know you can search for the right using those parts provided, but it would save quite a bit of time.

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>> No.16765136

と - "with/and" etc.
だ/と - "if" etc
と/という - "they say/they said/call me by/describe words/as for this (clause)" etc.
So does this ever confuse anybody? Or does the context always make it clear. Cuz I feel that is a lot of things for "one particle" to do. (I know it's not really "one" particle, hence the quotes.)

Also there's this って, which can mean は sometimes, plus quote like と can. Does this also not ever get confused?

>> No.16765143

It's never actually confusing. The problem is you're trying to understand how sentences are constructed, not what they mean. You need to focus on what sentences actually mean, using how they might be constructed to mean that, not trying to figure out what they mean based on how they're constructed.

>> No.16765175

>but why does "ga" become "nga" in some instances? When does it normally happen?
When people are talking on t.v. I guess it has a more formal sound? Newscasters and the like do it but I'm not sure if they still do even now.

>> No.16765191

>You need to focus on what sentences actually mean
How do you mean?

Like for example: 大学に行かないって、どういう意味なの?
What I initially thought it said was "As for not going to school, what type of meaning is this?"

At the time I thought it was just saying "why didn't you go to school" but then found after that it was quoting the beginning, turning it into "what do you mean,「your not going to school.」"

>> No.16765201

I'm saying you're focusing too much on syntax.

>As for not going to school, what type of meaning is this?

This isn't something anyone would ever, every say.

>What do you mean that you're not going to school?

This is.

Syntax isn't something you use to figure out what things mean. You figure out what things mean based on the patterns you already know, and context, and a little bit of common sense. Then you apply what you think they mean to the syntax and see if or why it works. Not the other way around.

That's the reason you think that there being so many uses of と is confusing. In practice, it's never actually confusing, because they only overlap in pathological situations. You can't exactly be taught where they're actually used, you can only pick it up by seeing them a lot, which is why focusing on syntax is so silly.

>> No.16765230

Hmmm, ok, so basically just read it, and figure what it means first, then apply syntax?

>> No.16765232

Of course.

>> No.16765247

I think the reason for me trying to do it this way is because I'm trying to break down the sentences to understand them. But when I do that, I guess I break it down wrong, cuz I don't read it all first.

Thanks for the help btw.

>> No.16765291

>tfw just learned how to write さすが
I'm reaching shitposting singularity.
After I'm done with hiragana, katakana, and the grammar lessons, can I go straight to reading using a texthooker or should I subject myself to anki+reviews?

>> No.16765295

>After I'm done with hiragana, katakana, and the grammar lessons, can I go straight to reading using a texthooker or should I subject myself to anki+reviews?

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>> No.16765465

that part about imabi is so true, he pads so many example sentences and unnecessary side culture its a joke
even maggie sensei gets to the point faster

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>> No.16765773

I was always told people don't use 可愛そう because it would get mixed up with 可哀想. Did the author just insert the wrong kanji by mistake, or is this some sort of special case?

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>> No.16765916

行政解剖 and 司法解剖

What's the difference? Isn't both cutting up dead people? Because in what I'm reading it sounds like the former is done in preparation for the latter

>> No.16766149

Thank you very much!

>> No.16766208

It was just obvious to me that it meant "what do you mean, 'you're not going to school'?"

You'll get to that point eventually, just keep practicing and don't get too hung up on grammar rules and the literal meaning of every word.

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Is it fine to learn vocabulary without Anki ?
I tried twice to grind these cards but ended demotivated because of the 220 daily cards after doing university homework and stuff, while I was around 1000 learned cards.

So instead I'm taking quizzes on lists of 50 kanjis every two or three days until I get a 100% before going to the next list. Is it an efficient way to study ? Should I try Anki for the third time but more relaxed ? (ie reducing daily reviews and new cards )

>> No.16766281

>Is it fine to learn vocabulary without Anki ?
Why wouldn't it be? Your progress is just gonna be a lot slower than someone who does. If you don't mind taking a long time to become fluent, it's fine.
>So instead I'm taking quizzes on lists of 50 kanjis every two or three days
This is bad. The alternative to doing Anki is simply reading content like books and looking up words manually, not lone kanji study.
>ie reducing daily reviews and new cards
I don't know what number of new cards you did before, but stay in the 10-20 range. Reviews should always be unlimited (as in, set to 9999).

>> No.16766287

just read some VNs

>> No.16766293

Why would you learn vocabulary without Anki? It is the most efficient way. If your reviews piled up like that you either had too many new cards or your retention rate is shit. Personally after I am done with my decks I do a custom study deck with all forgotten cards and repeat it until I can do all of them without effort. Alternatively you can try using recognition cards in combination with recall cards, you get less done but your retention rate will skyrocket.

>> No.16766398

It's 100% possible to learn vocabulary without anki. Anki just makes things much faster. Not necessarily more efficient, just faster.

>> No.16766402

>Not necessarily more efficient, just faster

>> No.16766408
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Thanks for the advice. I did set the deck to 20 new daily cards and unlimited reviews. I don't think I'm bad at remembering stuff, but I never used the 'Easy' button, to be sure that I learn properly every card, maybe that's why the number of reviews every day was really high.

As for reading content or VN and looking for words, I started doing it while learning Japanese grammar, it works and is kinda fun, but I don't think I'll rely only on that, so yeah I'm gonna try again with your method >>16766293.

Again, thanks for the advice.

>> No.16766412

Faster can be less efficient. Efficient and fast are not synonyms. The word efficient literally exists because it does not mean fast.

>> No.16766441

>So instead I'm taking quizzes on lists of 50 kanjis every two or three days until I get a 100% before going to the next list.

You need spacing to make long-term memories. What you're doing is called massing:


>Across experiments, spacing was more effective than massing for 90% of the participants, yet after the first study session, 72% of the participants believed that massing had been more effective than spacing….When they do consider spacing, they often exhibit the illusion that massed study is more effective than spaced study, even when the reverse is true

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>> No.16766494

Fixed typos: http://pastebin.com/raw/yEmNDLAP

>> No.16766627
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How do I stop forgetting easy words all the time? This shit is proper depressing. Even fish oil doesn't help.

>> No.16766628

Read more.

>> No.16766632

Studying a new language that isn't my native or english is proving more challenging than I thought. I didn't expect there'd be a difference between writing and reading hiragana, with the latter being really easy, while the former leaves me looking at the cieling before giving up.

Is there a method to train myself to associate a syllabe with the corrisponding hiragana in an easier way? Or should I just bruteforce it by constantly writing them?

>> No.16766636

You get better at writing by writing.

>> No.16766639 [DELETED] 

To get better at reading you have to read more. There's no way around it. Eventually the kana will look like sounds to you but you have to read more first.

>> No.16766641


if you dont use it you lose it bro

theres a reason they make children handwrite bro try writing actual compositions on the reg

>> No.16766657

Notebook, 50 fucking times, bitch, etc.

>> No.16766661

>What is the best JP-ENG machine translator?
neutral nets mimicking japanese

>> No.16766666

how do I expose myself to text being made up of just hiragana then which give sme something to do with hiragana? my problem is that yes, I can write the hiragana repeadetly, but I think I'd burn them in me if I was actually doing something with them that has a meaning, something like homework. My vocab is pretty poor right now because I'm not confident in my ability to write simple shit, or rather I don't want to really learn new kanji because I feel that my foundations are shabby.

>> No.16766670

In this context what is the difference?

>> No.16766677

Probably that you can force your way through more words but you don't remember them so well. Not that anon.

>> No.16766682

What easy words are you forgetting?

>> No.16766688

That wouldn't be faster then. And if it was, then it would also be more efficient in terms of learning vocabulary.

>> No.16766691

Who cares man.

>> No.16766697

In this case, faster but sometimes requiring much more effort, therefore sometimes less efficient even though faster.

>> No.16766702

Who cares man.

>> No.16766709

I don't think you know what efficient means.

>> No.16766712

I'm pretty sure that would be you.

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>> No.16767375
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Can anyone help me identify the second Kanji? Just looks like a fucking scribble to me.
I'm bad with handwriting.

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>> No.16767429

Oh fuck. Thanks man.

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I'm getting tired of clicking again when I mix up a verb with its transitive or intransitive counterpart.
There's no way I can remember them all until I actually meet them while reading.

>> No.16767495

So how about reading more?

>> No.16767501

If it ends in す it's transitive. Once you learn that how can you possibly ever mix them up again?

>> No.16767513

>transitive or intransitive counterpart.
I don't even know what that is supposed to mean.

>> No.16767524

If it ends with す it's transitive, at least for every verb I've encountered.
Same goes with verbs that end with える, but intransitive.

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>> No.16767544

So like, verb that says I'm doing something and verb that says something is happening on its own?
But it's still the same word, isn't that just a grammar problem and not a vocabulary problem?

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>> No.16767656
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Just saw this and it's interesting.
Apparently it will load the original Japanese text from the original ROM simultaneously as you play the translated ROM.

>> No.16767660
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Let's talk about fonts. Which font do you usually study with, when given the choice?

I like the look of Mincho, but as I understand it Gothic is closer to "standard" and therefore might be a better choice for my Anki decks.

>> No.16767669

japanese is basically wingdings in the 1st place

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This is will teach you nothing but bad habits so it's best if you don't bother with it.

MS Mincho is the standard for books. Use it for reading VNs (given the option) and if you read html books with the Firefox method I recommend switching to it there too. Meiryo is a fine choice for your internet browser.

>> No.16767693

Anything but Meiryo is heresy, Meiryo is the one true Japanese font.

>> No.16767755

This made me wonder what the Japanese equivalent of "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" would be

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>> No.16767767

Kk, yea, I'm just gonna move on and just hurry up so I can start reading. Cuz that'll ultimately solve my problem. I just need practice put in basically.

Thanks for the help.

>> No.16767768

いろはにほへと ちりぬるを
わかよたれそ つねならむ
うゐのおくやま けふこえて
あさきゆめみし ゑひもせす

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>> No.16767820
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I added book descriptions and review counts from Amazon to the DJT Library. The options at the top now let you sort by review count or show only light novels. I also added covers for books that were missing them. Had to change the URL yet again due to size restrictions: http://djt.netlify.com/

New ebooks in the CoR/library:
[半藤一利] 日本のいちばん長い日―運命の八月十五日
[奥田英朗] イン・ザ・プール
[小野不由美] 黒祠の島
[我孫子武丸] 殺戮にいたる病
[方波見咲] ギルド〈白き盾〉の夜明譚
[月村奎] すみれびより
[村上凛] おまえをオタクにしてやるから、俺をリア充にしてくれ!
[村上春樹] 色彩を持たない多崎つくると、彼の巡礼の年
[東野圭吾] 容疑者Xの献身
[東野圭吾] 悪意
[松岡圭祐] 万能鑑定士Qの事件簿
[松本清張] 小説東京帝国大学(上)
[桑原水菜] カサンドラ
[桑原水菜] 炎の蜃気楼昭和編 悲願橋ブルース
[永井路子] 平家物語の女性たち
[池井戸潤] 銀翼のイカロス
[津田彷徨] やる気なし英雄譚
[王雀孫] 始まらない終末戦争と終わってる私らの青春活劇
[秋山了] 龍と麒麟の黄金伝説 クビライの野望編
[衣笠彰梧] 小悪魔ティーリと救世主!?
[赤井三尋] 翳りゆく夏
[赤川次郎] おやすみ、テディベア
[陳舜臣] 秘本三国志
[黒柳徹子] 窓際のトットちゃん

>> No.16767832

Thanks for the work. Can you add a "sort by added date" feature? So we can see directly what's new on the site whenever you update.

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>> No.16767868
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Sure, it'll be in the next update.

By the way, I found this password-protected rar that contains a bunch of popular stuff not in the CoR:

On the off-chance that anyone here has a Baidu account (it requires phone verification), maybe you could PM the user and ask for the password.

>> No.16767887

Has anyone used the KanjiDamage anki deck for studying kanji?

>> No.16767905

>tfw no books by 舞城王太郎, 佐藤友哉, 希, 又吉樹 or 菅浩江

>> No.16767955

Does the "whole site" archive also include the ebook files, or is it only the html version?

>> No.16767962

Can you add すかもか and EX?

>> No.16767983

Where are the first two volumes?

>> No.16767985

It's just the HTML version. If you want the ebook files, download the collections in the CoR plus these newer folders:

azw3 https://mega.nz/#F!gIwG2YyR!JJ-5Q__qdCNvGU-k90w17A
epub https://mega.nz/#F!REwH3QIR!m_WQ9m-ZQ_te_O-kfWIeUg
mobi https://mega.nz/#F!YVJjVZ7C!NBlMsRwwXJ3Dznn4B4I8TA

Cool, I'll add those later.

>> No.16767995

On nyaa as scans

>> No.16768024

That's useful, thanks.

I just pointed JDownloader at the site, since it was able to parse out the individual Megaupload links and then filter by filetype.

>> No.16768025

If you like KD's mnemonics you should use it.

>> No.16768110

How much time should I spend on each section for Tae Kim? If I understand the concepts after reading through once or so, should I move on immediately, or review a couple more times? I'm currently nearing the end of the essential grammar chapter.

>> No.16768118

Just move on
It won't really stick until you start seeing it in use when reading

>> No.16768132

Ok, how long did it take for it to stick for you? How much time (like in months or something) and how many visual novels/manga/light novels did you get through?
Just curious.

>> No.16768147

What does "でも" mean in sentences like this?
I've always taken it to act as some sort of filler text, such as "like" or "something". Is this all it is? I'm asking because I often see translators completely ignore it (which technically would make sense if it's truly equivalent to filler text), and I've never really "studied" Japanese grammar outside of Tae Kim so I can't be for sure.

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>> No.16768170

Thanks a lot.

>> No.16768192

so where do i get untranslated visual novels from?

>> No.16768200

Is memrise fine to use for vocab? In particular the JLPT N Reading Courses

>> No.16768202

Everything except a few of the 'advanced' topics in Tae Kim are so common you'll probably have it down before finishing your first VN. Your grammar will still be shit, but it's enough to enjoyably read.

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>> No.16768222

Useless to learners.

>> No.16768223

Cool, thanks. Speaking of the advanced chapter, people were also saying you should prob start trying to read around the time you enter it. I guess that solidifies that, since your saying that:
>Everything except a few of the 'advanced' topics

Thanks for clearing all up.

>> No.16768245

So a simple sentence like "今日は、走った" is impossible to translate into English without proper context, because if you tried, it would have to look like this to be correct:

"Today, [I/he/she/we/they/it/the cat/the dog/the president] ran."

Am I understanding correctly?

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I'm really bad at listening. Anyone mind helping me fill in the blanks from these webms?



>> No.16768251

No ones saying that. TK is done so quickly that alternating stuff with it doesn't make sense. There's like... 10 points in the advanced category, that's a single afternoon.

By the way, everything in the "Advanced" section is still beginner material and very, very common. I don't even know any other resource that calls ばかり or はず advanced, they're both under basic in the DOJG.

>> No.16768261

some chuuni katakana word

>> No.16768290

O ok haha

And what I meant when I said:
>people were also saying you should

Was that "someone" the other day said that. Not that everyone here said that. Sorry about that.

>> No.16768348

Is there a site like kissmanga for raws? Downloading raws for everything is pretty annoying, especially when I only want to check out the first chapter

>> No.16768362

Despite what NEETs in /djt/ say, don't be afraid to lower your card amount. I know after school, work, etc. I don't have the time or mental energy to grind out 300 cards.
It will take longer, but it will still be progress.

>> No.16768384

Humans adapt REALLY quick to comfort zones.

Most people fail because they decide to take "one day off" once, then it creates a precedent for taking days off in the future and suddenly big hiatuses happen.

Same goes with lowering your threshold: give it 3 days and you will already be used to, say, 10 cards being your new ceiling. So whenever life gets at you, you will lower it to 5 or 0 "just today", and get back to 10, thinking you're fine, when 10 is already a reduction from 20.

I usually am fine with people who go for the 10-a-day regime, as it won't take THAT long, but it's healthy to keep the habit of keeping habits. Adapting as you go is not a good approach when it comes to long-term goals.

>> No.16768391

I didn't mean on a day-by-day basis.
Thinking I have 100 cards max to review during the day is a lot less mentally draining than 300 or more. Lets me be more consistent.

>> No.16768414

i wish there was a jinmeiyou deck with an order criteria like in core 10k

having kanji shifts constantly just adds up not to memorize with ease.

>> No.16768417
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Can you help me?
Apparently, this page http://kasakuri.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-1.html contains the password for unlocking http://ux.getuploader.com/kasakuri4 which are hundreds of honey select mods.

But the pass isnt working and nobody in the comments has given a clear solution. Maybe some anon here can venture down the rabbit hole and find it...

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Well, the "one day off" was pretty much because the workload at uni increased or because of semestriel exams and I was too tired to open Anki and grind these hundreds of cards.
I'll do another try with 15 new cards a day, it's "only" 25% less than before, but it may be way more bearable and easier to schedule after work.
Also I -only now- discovered there was an Anki app for Android, it will be WAY more convenient to study in transport and all.
Thanks for the advice !

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>> No.16768506

Why would you care if a kanji is on a list for naming your child?

I emulate the Core style in my mining deck by looking up other common words with the same kanji and mining them when I find a new one.

>> No.16768539


have fun

>> No.16768547

Rikaisama just randomly stopped giving me audio when I press "f" or try to use the real-time import feature... it doesn't give me any audio for any words. I tried reinstalling it and removing and re-adding the dictionary file. What do?

>> No.16768577

This has been really enlightening in showing just how many people take the tools from DJT, abandon the thread, and then return to ask a question when a problem occurs.

>> No.16768585

so what

>> No.16768608

I bet you let your browser automatically update

>> No.16768610

it's important to recognize names

>> No.16768621

No, it broke for everyone.

The Yomichan guy fixed it with a little hack.

I think the Rikaisama maintainer is absent, so it won't be fixed unless someone else does it or languagepod101 undoes their URL change.

>> No.16768646

kasakuri doesn't work

>> No.16768657

Can't you read Japanese, anon?

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>> No.16768758

if you can understand a lot of stuff from listening with the occasional confusing word or two, then learn more vocab
if not, watch TV, etc with captions

>> No.16768763

True on a technicality, but you can usually assume the subject is "I" if you have absolutely nothing else to go on.

>> No.16768764

to be fair, that doesn't really help him

>> No.16768772

>36.1% correct
I think I am doing something fundamentally wrong...

>> No.16768778

And I have 37 buried cards, holy fuck.

>> No.16768791

How deep are you in?

Study radicals or 1-nen kanji first, to get used to how kanji work.
Be sure to learn their stroke order.

>> No.16768810

I'm at around half of Core 2k. I do study radicals and have recently started studying kanji meanings, as I feel that it really helps me, if I can recall the meanings of the kanji in a certain word.
My "correctness" rate was never really high, but it has been pretty bad for the past few days. I think I rushed it a bit too hard. Currently set the new cards to 0 and try to catch up a little bit and then maybe leave it on 20.

>> No.16768833

Any of you ever try WaniKani? I think it's fantastic.

>> No.16768836

Ohhh, so you were going over 20. That's bad if your retention is under 85%. Diminishing returns and all that jazz.

>> No.16768840
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Are you even trying?

>> No.16768843

Yeah, I noticed it way to late and now the house of cards collapsed over my head.

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>> No.16768849

I am, but I fucking suck at remembering things. And I am also a stupid bastard. Nice stats though, keep it up!

>> No.16768856

>100% learning
are you pressing "good" when you don't even know the word?

>> No.16768859

Well, clearly you are not.

>> No.16768865

本当? アニメではだめと言ったからしなかったんだ

>> No.16768866

I hit good when I already know it, otherwise I hit hard to get it again at the end of my session

>> No.16768883

Well, I guess that's kinda wrong, but at the same time actually not such a bad idea.

>> No.16768895

Kanjitomo for desktop and ORC Manga Reader for Android.

>> No.16768897


>> No.16768939

you can't be serious. are you listening to fucking idiots?
there's a common argument is "they don't speak like normal people", but even if they don't, you're studying "listening comprehension", and they're speaking Japanese, so what difference does it make?

use common sense. to gain "listening comprehension", what do you do? you listen to people speak Japanese. why does it matter what sort of media it's from?

>> No.16768954

Whenever I hover over a word with Rikaisama I get the 'no audio' clip. Anyone know how to fix this?

>> No.16768968

In a very general sense, どういう意味 = what does ... mean (ex: それどういう意味ですか)
Assuming that this is said directly to someone, then 大学に行かない was likely said by third person so the sentence esssntially means "What do you mean you aren't going to college?"
Usually って is a colloquial topic marker and いう is assumed as the verb if it is a contracted と

I assume the function of の and why な preceeds it as obvious to you.

>> No.16768978

I think it's advice coming from different types of learners, those who primarily want to engage in discussion, becoming fluent at _speaking_ as well as listening.

People probably read it on other sites and don't realize there's a difference, since most of us probably don't care much about speaking Japanese.

>> No.16769021

What am I looking at here?

>> No.16769037

And 〜がある which is also under DOBJG.

>> No.16769058

This happened to me -- work got really busy where I had to work 50+ hours each week and I first lowered my new cards to 10 and then 0. Now I've gone 2 full months without adding any new cards. I broke the chain and I am too weak to get back in the groove.

>> No.16769248

He didn't say he was told to drop it or that Tae Kim's advanced sections weren't still basic grammar. He was told to start reading then.

>> No.16769268

I have my browser set to Yu Gothic UI.
Meiryo is Arial tier.

>> No.16769269

>Meiryo is Arial tier.
High praise indeed

>> No.16769270

Noto Sans CJK
Going to switch to Sawarabi Gothic if and when it has enough characters

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>> No.16769292

I'm assuming たいじ is actually 対G.

>> No.16769296

あっ それ俺がやった

>> No.16769348
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What's the difference between 姓 and 苗字? If I wanted to ask someone how to write their surname in kanji, which would I use?

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>> No.16769381

That makes sense. Any ideas on the second one? I'm hearing うんだらぎ or むんだらぎ or whatever, but those aren't words.

>> No.16769389

Nevermind, I got it. It's ウルガル機.

>> No.16769393


This is actually pretty interesting.

アナタの名字ってどうやって書いてんですか? Would work I think.

>> No.16769402

Does anyone know any good VNs or stories that have nice villains and a lot of cool action fight scenes? I've been playing a lot of the same moege and nukige lately and it's kind of gotten stale.

The reason I'm asking this here is because I've heard that dies irae has a lot of cool villains and based on what I've heard about it it seems like the kind of game I'd be interested in playing, but I don't know if my japanese skill is up to par with it yet. I looked at the prologue video and it seemed like my main problem would be the lack of vocabulary knowledge for it. Would you guys still suggest checking it out? Or do you guys have any other recs?

Honestly, I'm just trying to break away from the kind of shit I've been playing since it's getting kinda boring desu

>> No.16769418

Fate stay/night?

>> No.16769423

FSN is basically what you're looking for.

Read Realta Nua, not the original version. The writing is better and the sex scenes from the original are bad.

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WTF I believed the mareni is hard meme but what's this, it's easy

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Check out the tier 3 on this chart, it's made for you
Basically just picking up games from Light's B-team is enough, like Silvero Vendetta and Vermilion Bind of Blood. They're good enough to not bore the shit out of you, but they're bad enough you're not ruining kamige with poor comprehension.

>> No.16769430

Hmm, I remember reading the english version of this a long time ago and dropped it during Heaven's Feel for some reason, you think its worth playing even if you've read it in english?

>> No.16769431

my rec is kadenz but youre still prolly gonna get steamrolled

mareni is only hard in that you need patience to sit through his bloated texts

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>> No.16769675

is it wise to skip katakana and come back to it after I've learned the grammar? It took me two days to drill all the hiragana into my head, now I can effortlessly write and read them, and I'd rather do something productive with my newly found knoweldge to drill it even further into my almonds.

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rate my calligraphy

>> No.16769740

What the fuck is that 7? That's the worst 7 I've ever seen. 0/10

>> No.16769745

you mean the ろるそえ?

>> No.16769777

Hello mates!

I would like to ask if whether 500 kanji is a good base? and was also wondering how long did it take you to 'learn' the first 500?

>> No.16769780

That's obviously a ス

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>> No.16769794

so this casual patterns and slang part of tae kim is making me feel like im retarted, am I supposed to be able to understand this right away? or should I go and apply for being handicapped?

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this better??

>> No.16769848

き and さ should not be connected.
と is backwards.
う is not curvy enough.
よ doesn't curve up at the end.
や is all sorts of fucked up.
It's hard to tell if your やゆよ are small or not (とうにょうびょう).
The first stroke in か should be hooked at the end, not curved.
You're forgetting the last stroke on お.

Just to name a few.

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just remembered I had this saved, served as a good reference for me

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I have this

>> No.16769925

should I bother learning wi and we? my IME doesn't even pick them up

>> No.16769931

Nah, only if you want to read old poems or shit like that.

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>> No.16769959

I learned ゐ from Tewi doujinshi.

>> No.16769962

wow I can actually read shit now, this makes me feel so satisfied, I also spotted the wi. Is the 2nd char from the 2nd line a we? Is there a way to make my IME able to write them? I'm on linux and using mozc (open sores google IME)

>> No.16769966

they take like 2 minutes to learn, ゐ is just an amalgamation of み and ぬ and ゑ is just る with some squigglies below it
if you're learning 2000 chinese characters anyway you might as well throw them onto the pile

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btw I've seen the さAndき written that way, I also saw り written in a completely different way (pic related), had to use google trans to make out what the fuck it was. Are there any other characters that can be written in another way?

how do you even type them?

>> No.16769978

welcome to real people handwriting dude good luck

>> No.16769983

nvm about how to write ゐ ゑ, they were buried in a bottomless pit of suggestions.

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>Are there any other characters that can be written in another way?
Handwriting is pretty much its own thing, but these two are common in manga and seem to throw off a lot of beginners. そ and ロ, if you couldn't guess.

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>> No.16770011

Reading comprehension isn't your forte, eh? The first sentence says "alternating".

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once you get into kanji you might see some of these, the most common one being 2 since it applies to all characters that use the 門 radical

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>> No.16770041

Anki automatically buries sibling cards (cards made from the same note) so they don't show up on the same day. This has nothing to do with you being bad.

Also, stats for "learning" and "young" cards do not matter. If you're at 36% for mature cards then you're doing something horribly wrong

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>tfw you're at a permanent lifetime 77% rate for mature cards in deck because you had a 5 month hiatus and managed to forget next to everything

>> No.16770101

Yeah, that probably qualifies as "doing things horribly wrong"

>> No.16770103

Nothing wrong with buried cards.

Check the anki settings explanation in the images section of the CoR.

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>> No.16770212

Yes, I happen to be a fucking idiot. I'm not exactly linguistically inclined, I can barely speak my native language. The only thing I've got going with regards to learning Japanese is persistence.

So by shear brute force and stubbornness, I've become half-decent at reading and writing, but shit, throw the simplest fucking example sentence at me to listen and I go blank.

So, really, I need material where people talk slowly, really slow. So far the guide has nothing to offer on that front.

Got any suggestions?

>> No.16770217

>So, really, I need material where people talk slowly, really slow. So far the guide has nothing to offer on that front.

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>> No.16770224

>So, really, I need material where people talk slowly
No you don't, you WANT it because you precisely lack
>So by shear brute force and stubbornness
these things and think it will make it easier. Either consume normal material or quit Japanese, there aren't any shortcuts.

>> No.16770226

Listen comprehension is best done by brute force. Just listen to shit you don't understand until you can make out words and understand more and more.
It's better to use interesting stuff instead of shit like NHK because it can be real tiring to listen to NHK the whole day.

>> No.16770308

What do you think it looks yummy or not?

>> No.16770390

Looks pretty bad desu. And trying to conceal it as a flower doesn't help

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By curiosity, are there more than these 2 reading packs for Yotsubato?
Like perhaps people who continued making some for vol. 3, 4, etc...

>> No.16770459

You're really trying your best to avoid learning Japanese at all costs, aren't you?

>> No.16770465

I don't think there are. You're better off reading without stuff like that once you're no longer an absolute beginner, anyway.

>> No.16770466

Wow this is really insane, I fucking knew someone would try to project with some sort of shitty condescending reply. This is not for me N3-kun this is for a friend, was the "by curiosity" not enough for you?

>I don't think there are.
This is all I needed.

>> No.16770472

>this is for a friend
Right, for a "friend". Here you go then:
You're really trying your best to mess up your "friends" learning experience at all costs, aren't you?

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You need to realize there are some of us who had been browsing DJT since its first days, so reading some of you newfags parroting automated replies like you've been doing so far is nothing short but pure cringe.

Are you doing this all day? Time to open your eyes.

>> No.16770497

Wow! I think you can tell your friend he might be able to read it without a reading pack having such a monstrous Anki grid to show for himself. Make sure to pat him on the back for every word he gets right. Maybe he'll even be able to move onto Hanahira by 2020 at this rate.

>> No.16770501

why are you getting this upset over someone so trivial?

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Thanks I will.

Because whenever I occasionally hop on here to ask some random question you always one of these ego damaged retards trying to appease his troubles by giving lessons or shitting on you. DJT is great but stinks the echo-chamber, always been.

Now anon can either choose to grow or stay conceited; see this as an act of giving.

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Do you guys have any recommendations on where I can learn cool traditional Japanese culture stuff? like 神社とか or the use of 拍子木とか

>> No.16770529

I usually just google the thing I want to know about and read whatever comes up on chiebukuro/oshiete.
Of course, this is the Japanese equivalent of getting your cultural knowledge from yahoo answers, so I'm not sure if I would recommend it...

>> No.16770541

Or maybe it is you that is those things and don't realize it. Self awareness is a funny thing, isn't it?
Wikipedia works, doesn't it? Youtube is surprisingly good too sometimes.

>> No.16770567

>Wikipedia works, doesn't it?
Not him, but Japanese wikipedia is relatively low quality.

>> No.16770570

Wikipedia is relatively low quality. It's only useful because it contains information that is only otherwise accessible behind paywalls.

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>> No.16770604

Pick a topic and read a book (physical) about it. Unfortunately freely available information in Japan is usually shit quality and everything decent is behind a paywall.

>> No.16770659

I'm following taekim's guide and am at this page: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/stateofbeing_ex
there's multiple readings for the kanji he gives, and I don't know which one is the right one or is there no right one?. Anyone care to help?

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>> No.16770679

The "right one" is the one he uses in the vocabulary list. Some of the Kanji used there can have other readings, but you probably shouldn't worry about that at the point you're at.

>> No.16770741

Is that so? In a previous point of this manual he was anal about learning kanji as early as possible. So basically I should wait to bother with the readings until I reach the point in this guide where he'll explain them, hoping that he indeed does?

>> No.16770823

Learning the kanji for a piece of vocab is fine and important. Learning all possible readings for a kanji in isolation is not very useful. Especially since the common kanji also tend to be the ones with a large amount of readings.

>> No.16770829

Also when kanji have multiple readings those readings are individually associated with different concepts because that's how language works.

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> シャワー考えもの
Would you consider speaking part of your nondeclarative memory (memory for actions, "muscle memory") as opposed to declarative memory (memory for facts and information)?

My basis is that to achieve fluency, you have to practice speaking like a muscle. Whereas reading is practiced via studying.

>> No.16770846

Acquired language is non-declarative. Learned language is declarative. Only non-declarative language knowledge can be used fluently. Declarative language knowledge can only be used for editing and parsing, not generally writing or reading.

>> No.16770852

reading/speaking is the exact same in that regard

>> No.16770874

Also for language in particular you cannot gain the overwhelming majority of non-declarative information through production practice (output), you can only do so through consumption (input)


>> No.16771063

i give up on Zettai Reiiki, im not ready for it

>> No.16771091

Good job, your efforts were not in vain.

>> No.16771098

time to read more tae kim

>> No.16771101

I honestly thought this was a 言, was about to call on your stroke order for the 口.

>> No.16771112

tae kim has not taught me anything

>> No.16771121

if tae kim isn't teaching you anything and zettai reiiki is beyond your level, how do you think you're going to learn japanese

>> No.16771122

I don't know how far you are into it but just keep going if it's possible for you. Tae Kim didn't help me that much as well, especially since I barely know any English grammar terms

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>> No.16771238

by exposure, or maybe not at all. i dont see how tae kim is supposed to be helpful. i read his explanations and then i read a sentence in a manga and theres random syllables everywhere that apparently completely change the meaning of the entire sentence and even if if know what a word means its obvious that its supposed to mean something completely different in the context that i only partially understand. and then theres conjugations that could stem from multiple words but look the same. everything seems like an exception that only works under specific conditions. rikaiichan and jisho are also very vague with almost everything, its like most words have a set translation that only keeps its meaning when it stands alone, otherwise its just understood in a completely different way.

im 45 pages into the first volume, i get the general idea but even when i translate every word of a sentence i can only guess what it could mean out of many possibilities.

>> No.16771261

You're just being a weak bitch mate. Keep reading, less complaining. Your biggest problem above all is that you're reading something you don't enjoy because you heard it's easy. Pick something yourself.

>> No.16771267

are you a native english speaker? because welcome to learning literally any language ever

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There's a problem with your post - you just implied it's possible for someone to not enjoy Zettai Reiiki. Everyone loves Zettai Reiiki. Zettaini.

>> No.16771341

im not a native english speaker, i learned english almost entirely by exposure, outside of the basics i learned in school i never looked at grammar rules or anything. i probably learned most by coming to this website and watching seinfeld (and then a lot of other tv shows and movies). but with japanese its different, i can watch a whole series and not learn more than a few words. its really hard to hear when one word ends and another starts and so many words sound similar. it seems like most words get reduced to a single syllable + conjugation in most sentences and i cant tell what the word was before that. its all gibberish with no apparent order.

>> No.16771347

Easy: you knew more english when you watched seinfeld. Right now, you know zero japanese.


>> No.16771360

>i can watch a whole series and not learn more than a few words.
i+1, comprehensible input is necessary. If you watch something you understand nothing of you're not going to learn anything.

>> No.16771361

Yes blame the language instead of your own laziness and very clear unwillingness to learn. That'll help. If you don't do anything, you don't gain anything. Pretty simple concept.

>> No.16771372

how do I study with anki? I mean if I start the core2k deck I obviously know nothing so I'm gonna give a bad score to that card. When that happens, what do I do? Do I memorize the kanji by writing it? Never studied a language before so I'm at a loss.

>> No.16771374

You try to remember the card and continue. It's not rocket science.

>> No.16771381


Huh, anki is showing me this again. It doesn't tell me anything else until I flip the card. What am I supposed to do? I don't know what the word means. What reason could there be for anki hiding everything else until I flip it? Am I supposed to remember the card? Am I supposed to write it? I'm trying to learn how to recognize words, of course. So what should I do with Anki, this program that I'm using to help myself learn japanese, when it shows me a word in japanese?

>> No.16771394

Clearly you should read some English grammar rules.

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>> No.16771407

Read with your heart, not your brain.

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>> No.16771425

thats the thing, when i watched seinfeld i could put it in the background and still learn something each episode. now i use anki, read manga, watch streams, watch grammar videos, read grammar books and theres very little that sticks or makes sense. Things like "all RU-verbs are regular verbs but not all regular verbs are RU-verbs" (i proably even remembered that wrong but you get the idea) make me wonder what is even going on right now. And then theres even 10 different categories for regular verbs. no matter how often i read or hear it, it doesnt make sense.

if there is one language in the entire world that i can safely blame for being overly complicated and convoluted its certainly japanese.
i also dont understand how after all this time tae kim is the best thing that came out of all the entire japanese language teaching market. its literally just a dry textbook, maybe easier to comprehend than others but still.

>> No.16771428

I get that but I know NO method of memorizing the actual word/kanji. The only way I found myself to succesfully memorize something was to play a VN and somehow some kanji stuck. Like what do I actually do? What am I supposed to do? Check the stroke order and try to write it down?

>> No.16771435

Just watch 10000 hours of subbed anime and you will learn Japanese. It worked for me so it should work for you too

>> No.16771436

You look at it. If you can't remember it you flip it and try to commit it to memory and flunk it. Repeat. If it doesn't work you study that word outside of anki in a different way, like kanji or something.

>> No.16771438

Try Japanese the Manga Way, there's a pdf in the Cornucopia of Resources.

>> No.16771440

I don't think you "get that". There isn't a secret. You look at it and try to remember. That's how Anki works. It repeats the process until you have it firmly implanted in your brain.
And yes, you supplement it with reading on the side. Seeing the words in sentences will help solidify them.

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>> No.16771455

>And yes, you supplement it with reading on the side.
Backwards: you supplement reading with anki. But people think it's too "hard" to read when you don't know all the words in what you're reading.

>> No.16771457

I've got news for you, son: you've got japanese problems, but a kanji ain't one.

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>> No.16771541

Have you ever used flashcards before? Everything else is on the back of the card because that is what you are trying to memorize. It wouldn't do much good if all of the information was on the front. You just keep failing it until you eventually get it right.

>> No.16771547

Read the post I was responding to. My post is entirely rhetorical.

>> No.16771604

I thought it was the same guy posting again. I've seen so many people here who don't understand flashcards that I thought you were serious.

>> No.16771608

It happens.

>> No.16771800 [DELETED] 

taekim's guide has just been updated. I was literally lost while trying to learn something when I noticed the revamp, which I think is for the better, less kanji are being thrown at the beginning.

>> No.16771814

I want to do at least 10 new cards a day, but I don't think I'll be able to mine 10 new cards a day through reading 1-2 hours a day. Should I just learn 5 new cards a day through Anki or supplement my mining deck with a Core deck?

>> No.16771829

Only use core if you want to drown in shitty business/political words.

>> No.16771833

>but I don't think I'll be able to mine 10 new cards a day through reading 1-2 hours a day
You will mine a ton more than that, don't worry. When I started I mined 2000~ words in the first few weeks.

>> No.16771845


Yeah, that was pretty much my experience with Core 2k/6k and I would get about 300 reviews a day (started off doing 20 cards a day, then 15 more the majority of the time, then 10 for a while) so I figured it wasn't worth my time anymore. I missed like 2 days an eternity ago and despite trying to make up for it by reviewing days in advance, for some reason it was fucked forever

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What's the dialect they talk in in Rakugo?

>> No.16771916

i'm 3k cards into 6k and shit like 実行, 実現, 組織, 製造 is still stuck in young. it's a good deck but it's not at all tailored to people who aren't set out to do business

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Spoiler: Japanese media also uses political/business words in places you might not expect. I don't have a screenshot of the scene, but they kept talking about the 野党/与党 in one of the Trails in the Sky games

>> No.16771922

Are you pretending to be retarded? Those are all universally common words. You'd know if you actually started reading instead of being an Anki drone.

>> No.16771939

All of those could appear in every simple moege.

>> No.16772118


What does this mean? Googling it brings me to 2ch threads

>> No.16772142

Probably something to do with ヤリまくる. Context?

>> No.16772155

How come modern education doesn't incorporate methods like SRS when it is objectively superior to all study methods currently in place. I recently saw that video from Yuta where he asks people on the street to draw slightly more advanced Kanji and they fail pretty drastically. You'd think Japan would acknowledge this as an issue and incorporate a system that makes sure people don't forget these things as even 3000 Kanji aren't a lot with SRS and years of time. I just feel it's unfair to all these Japanese kids that go through years of painful repetition when there is a way to learn these things so much easier.

>> No.16772173


yeah, probably ヤリまくる + pseudo-english "-ing"

>> No.16772182

It was talking about wedding rings or something. That's the ring at the end I guess?

>> No.16772210

Well, a wedding ring allows you to ヤリまくる your partner, I guess?

>> No.16772229

Yet they're the kind of words best learned through a proper context. Anything beyond super simple words like "apple" and "cat" shouldn't be learned through the core method.

>> No.16772235

>211 reviews
How do I get back on the wagon, lads?

>> No.16772251

Anyone got a guess as to how many kanji from 2k/6k anki would prolly be alright to start moving on to reading the more lightweight vns with little need to look up much?
i know i'm gonna need to look stuff up when i start reading i just wanna know a jumping off point where it'll be as cancerless as possible.

>> No.16772257

Where is this from?
Do them in batches of 50 cards every 5-10 minutes.

>> No.16772261


Sounds like Bill Belichick

>> No.16772263

>how many kanji
Irrelevant. Common figures I have heard is about 2000 words into 2k but (and I am going against popular opinion here) if you want an even nearly complete coverage of Kanji you won't get around Kanji studying.

>> No.16772266

>with little need to look up much
>where it'll be as cancerless as possible.
You have to abandon this way of thinking. There is no way around it and you HAVE to read early on if you want to progress at any decent rate. 2k words should be the latest you start, but really, it doesn't make much of a difference from 1k.

>> No.16772268

You probably mean words. The answer: there isn't one, 6000 words is not nearly enough to read VNs without looking words up. Start with simple manga or children's books.

>> No.16772269

Don't spend too much time on each card and you'll be done in less than an hour.

>> No.16772273

Do both at the same time.
Don't look up every fucking word you don't understand, only those that are important for your understanding. Guess the rest from context or ignore them. Looking up every fucking word of a 2 page description of the nature will wear you out and take needlessly long.

>> No.16772276

Wow this is terrible advice even for djt standards.

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eh . . . ?

>> No.16772287

I was young once too.

>> No.16772306 [DELETED] 

Cross posting from the /int/ DJT.

Does anyone know how to add a font right into an anki deck? The core 2k/6k has a different font on mobile.

>> No.16772311 [DELETED] 

Your kind is not accepted here.

>> No.16772312 [DELETED] 

I've been in both boards DJT since /a/ kicked us out. The slower traffic necessitates it.

>> No.16772317

yh, i think i was just asking so i know basically when to schedule to start reading, but i get it now i think.
so its best just to start it soon after finishign the tk grammar stuff, i assume? whilst going through tk seems odd to me.

>> No.16772320

seconding this, specially if it works well on the phone.

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>> No.16772336 [DELETED] 

Eating feces because there's only rice for two meals a day isn't a necessity.

>> No.16772340

I'm not a regular ankidrone, but why?
Do you normally do this much anon?

>> No.16772379
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I have started studying about two months ago and there is simply a whole lot of ground to cover. I use Anki for 2k6k, vocabulary from learning resources like Tae Kim (and cards to review the sentences in Tae Kim as well as conjugation tables) and the whole variety of stuff you find in the Kodansha Learner's Course. I'm also studying Russian but I only have one deck for it to which I add unknown words I find while reading.
I'm sure many people think I'm wasting my time with Anki but I know there is a limited number of cards and according to my calculations I should be done with everything I want before reading in about 3 months which is just fine with me. Laying a strong foundation is important to me as I want to be proficient in Japanese and I don't mind spending the hours in Anki.

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Does anyone else hate anime?

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>45.4 minutes per day

>> No.16772666

Should I be going over all possible conjugations for a verb while doing anki?

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>> No.16772688

You could do that or you could read porn games and learn the same thing. Whatever gets your rocks off.

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Sweeeeet. This is how you do it. Smooth and nice. Smooth and nice.
I lost a day and it got all ugly.

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Hey DJT can you give me some advice?

Let me explain my situation real quick.
I'm learning Japanese for 1 year now, but I think I couldn't spend as much time as the average anon here to read, so let's imply I'm only learning for 9 months or something.

I need to become as good as possible in another year, the problem is I need to increase my skills all around, reading and listening comprehension are the most important closely followed by speaking.

Any advice on how to achieve that?

I thought about something like this

1.anki reps everyday
2.reading everyday
3.kanji study (kodansha) every two days alternating with 4.
4.listening practice
For grammar I look it up as I read when I don't know something.

2 more questions

1.How do I get better at listening? Reading and listening to VN audio might help and I also heard people watch anime with jap subs and use subs2srs or something, how does that work?
2.How do I get better at speaking? I have trouble forming a Japanese sentence in general so yeah.

Thank you in advance anon.

>> No.16772756

>Hey DJT can you give me some advice?

>> No.16772759

It depends on your current level. You wrote a lot about what you want to achieve, but nothing about what you've already achieved.

>> No.16772797

Give up now

>> No.16772801

Can't really determine at what lvl I currently am.

I mean I sometimes can read fluently and sometimes I'm stuck at every fucking sentence dunno what do you want to know?

>> No.16772803


But why anon?

>> No.16772811

I don't know, give some examples of things you've read comfortably, post your latest J-CAT score or take the test if you haven't, whatever.

>> No.16772848

I'm 3.5k words into core and I've read Hanahira, reading it was rather easy but there were a few sentences that I didn't comprehend 100%.

I don't want to focus on the past though, I want to make it better from now on.

>> No.16772873

What does お mean in


>> No.16772874

>all these people with 200+ reviews per day
Is this supposed to be normal? I'm not functionally autistic so I don't see how it's possible to do that many reviews every day.

I'm sorry but I don't see the benefit very much. Why not spend that time reading?

>> No.16772885

it's nothing but an honorific added to nouns

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Depends on how many daily cards you do.

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Today I wanted to read Crayon Shin-chan, but it doesn't have furigana

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The best idea is to just read more VNs

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>> No.16772944

The second one is not being maintained currently.

>> No.16772945 [DELETED] 

>all that weeaboo shit

No thanks.

>> No.16772951

>The best idea is to just read more VNs
Not sure if that helps with speaking and listening that much.

>> No.16772982


Do you know where the fuck you are?

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>tfw chatting with a qt from 2ch who wants to show me around Akiba
I'll admit it. This is why I'm learning Japanese.

>> No.16773025

It's a fat otaku trying to lead you into a blind alley and then rob you like the dumb gaijin you are.

>> No.16773029

Are Hunter Hunter, Rokudenashi Blues, and Medaka Box easy to read in 日本語? I was thinking about reading one of those.

>> No.16773030

Try it out and see? What a dumb question.

>> No.16773032

I'm not far into my Japanese studies but personally I learned English from shitposting on anonymous imageboards and annoying people with broken English in random chats and my English gradually improved. If you are far enough you can try doing the same in Japanese, they do have a big internet presence after all. The important thing is to actively participate so you increase your active vocabulary and get used to sentence structure. Speaking really shouldn't be an issue as the sounds you can make in Japanese are extremely limited. I personally just mumble all the words I stumble over in my Anki deck and I read that reading things aloud brings words into your active vocabulary more quickly, so you might want to try that. For listening I'd just try consuming as much Japanese material like anime or dramas as possible without relying on subtitles provided your Japanese is advanced enough to make sense of what is being said if you had subtitles enabled.

>> No.16773033

Hunter x Hunter is, I flipped through the first volume the other day at a bookstore and it seems like normal shounen manga. Don't know about the other two. Just download them.

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>> No.16773092

VNs are great for listening due to voice acting. As for speaking they still help build a foundation and then you have to actually try speaking to real people.

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That's not how you use "imply".

Anyway, you should give a clearer picture of what you know and how good you need to be.
And how many hours you are going to be able to put into it.

If you think you'll be fluent in this amount of time, fat chance. Only if you dedicate 8 hours or more a day.
If your objective is being able to read and communicate at survivable level, 4 hours should suffice.

>3.5k words
>12/9 months
No, that equals 175 days of a regular Anki schedule, or barely 6 months.

You'll have to go over the 20-a-day regime if you expect to gitgud in just a single year.

>Try it out and see?
I agree, this is a dumb question, because it is not a quesiton at all.

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All those useless boring business words in Anki really paid off, I can read this just fine.

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>Silverio Vendetta
Tried it. The opening section, while it was really cool and fun to read, absolutely fucked my shit up. A shit ton of vocab that I didn't know and a couple of sentences were completely lost on me. But, I felt like the past games that I've read were all kind of easy for me, and the soundtrack for this is pretty cool so I'll just see if it's just something I need to get used to.

It is very visually impressive, too, I gotta say.

>> No.16773265

Its gotten boring after the first volume

>> No.16773281

is this the correct way to say that I like shitty lolige?

>> No.16773291

Why is the な there? Also, ロリゲー is used more frequenty

>> No.16773299

isn't な used to join adjectives with nouns? Like giving the 糞 trait to ロリゲー?

>> No.16773310

くそ is a noun, not an adjective. Putting it before words is colloquialism.

>> No.16773332

rikaisama tells me it's an "adj-f", but I guess that doesn't qualify as an adjective.. I mean I don't really know english/american rules and abbreviations regarding grammar, which prompts me to ask: is there a place where I can look up these definitions? I'm not a native speaker sadly.

>> No.16773361

It's not an adjective.

Here's a J-J dictionary.

>> No.16773385

>adj-f: noun, verb, etc. acting prenominally (incl. rentaikei)

>> No.16773393

Thanks a lot anon.

>> No.16773403

damn, thanks a lot, didn't know that page existed.

Thank you.

>> No.16773487

Last year I learned around a 1000 words, stupidly stopped for six months due to my personal life getting busy,and now I have over 1000 cards to review. How screwed am I? Do I just burn it all and start over?

>> No.16773519

Sounds like you completely dropped the language, and not just Anki, for 6 months. Start over.

>> No.16773730

I've read the first 2 volumes of Yotsuba and I don't have any issue understanding it, will I still improve if I keep reading this series or should I move to a different series.

>> No.16773873

You probably remember quite a few, or will know them again after reviewing them once. I'd just go through the reviews instead of starting over.

>> No.16773946

Just read whatever you want, dude. If you think Yotsuba is interesting keep reading it. If you want to try to do something more difficult try something else.

>> No.16773990

How long have you been doing anki? I'm >>16772874 and half of my reviews are for my matures.

>> No.16774061

Does anyone know where I can get the latest versions of One Piece? The resources only go to 75.

>> No.16774116
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I finally figured out I cant learn japanese.
What are some good machine translators? chiitrans stopped working long ago.

>> No.16774137

This is a thread for learning japanese. If you no longer have an interest in learning japanese, you don't belong here.

>> No.16774158

Japanese isn't hard anon. Ganbare!

>> No.16774168

i've given up on my mining deck and am only using 2k/6k again. admittedly the deck is very small (in a month i have only 30 reviews to do)

how do start to consistently mine words? inb4 muh compelling content

>> No.16774202

Why'd you give up on your mining deck? Reading and listening is far more important than grinding on anki.

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>> No.16774688

How feasible would be for me to reach N3 level by the end of this year(aka in time for the December round)?
I already know hiragana/katakana I am almost done with the grammar guide, and I know around 50 kanji right now.
You could say I pretty much just started.

Anon's past experiences with the test are also welcome.

>> No.16774691

If you start reading and mining and do so for enough time every day you should get there .

>> No.16774694

are ryoku ( 力 ) and ka (katakana) ( カ ) the same glyph or am I missing something obvious?

>> No.16774710

力 is bigger

>> No.16774711

Also they're literally never used in the same context.

>> No.16774717

yes I noticed some really minor difference in the left side being "longer" in respect to the ka, but it's a really minor difference.
I see.

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>> No.16774795

Is sound working on Rikisama again yet?

>> No.16774827

How long should an anki session take?
Is 188 cards in 13 minutes too short?

>> No.16774847

When reading and / or mining new words, do you take the time to study any new words in-depth? Or is it better to just look up the definition and move on, letting future appearances in the reading serve as repetition practice?

>> No.16774852

karou で shi ぬのは


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>> No.16775028

Is it politer to say 見るの? or 見るか? when talking to a friend?

>> No.16775059

Why is 1 written like 一つ instead of ひとつ ?
Isn't 一 used for repetition?
Just started anki and this confused the hell out of me.

>> No.16775067

一 and ー are different characters
change your font

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>> No.16775192

What's the difference between 大通り and とおり

>> No.16775197

they're different words?

>> No.16775222


But what's is the meaning of each one?

>> No.16775223

Most common reading for 臣?

>> No.16775225

What happens when you stick 大 onto a noun?

Use your head.

>> No.16775233

is this correct jp


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>> No.16775447

After I'm done with genki do I just jump into reading as much as I can everyday?

>> No.16775452

Sure, but I think most people here would recommend Tae Kim or something over Genki.

>> No.16775486

is his really the best grammar guide? best as in 1st: easy to understand, 2nd: more or less complete?

I know that his grammar guide is "basic", but I also noticed he has a "complete" guide, and I wonder if it's worth doing a 2nd pass there or jump to the DOJL if I want a deeper knoweldge. or alternatively just "learn" by reading, but I'm afraid that I might learn something in a wrong way doing so.

>> No.16775497

Stop overthinking it. The grammar guide is the one to do, after that go read.

>> No.16775518

>1st: easy to understand
It's certainly the most concise, along with Japanese the Manga Way. If you don't understand some of his explanations you can always consult other sources like the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar.
>2nd: more or less complete
Absolutely not, it only covers basic grammar, but there isn't a complete guide (Tae Kim's "complete" guide is actually incomplete and should be avoided), and Tae Kim's grammar guide will teach you what you need to start reading simple content. DoJG is not a grammar guide, but a dictionary. It's not supposed to be read from cover to cover. Use it when you come across unknown grammar points while reading.

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>> No.16775975

What's the correct mental process for doing core reviews? Do you first read the Japanese word out loud in your mind, then followed by the English translation, or do you just try to directly associate the Japanese word with meaning without bothering with the English?

>> No.16776036

what the heck is the difference between ニand二?

>> No.16776085

One is the katakana letter ニ, the other one is the kanji for the number two.

>> No.16776166

What's the difference between those two 知 words? Don't both mean intelligence?

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>How could you date that kind of guy!
>How could you do such a foolish thing!
The hell is this よく supposed to be? I can't really get my head around this pattern of sentence.

None of the options offered really seem suitable.

"nicely; properly; well; skillfully; skilfully; frequently; often; greed; craving; desire; avarice; wants"

>> No.16776238

It's like in sentences such as「よくそんなこと知ってるね!」(I'm surprised you know that!, Good job knowing that!, etc) except negative/sarcastic

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>> No.16776265
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What's this? I don't think I've seen it before. Can't find it on the kana chart, and I'm sure it's not kanji either as it's from a manga with furigana.

>> No.16776269

Not looking very hard, are you? り

>> No.16776271

that's ri aka り

>> No.16776272

Try writing every hiragana without taking your pen off the paper and see how they turn out

>> No.16776281

All right, it's kind of starting to click.

>> No.16776408

You read that as "aho"

>> No.16776430

you surely meant as アヲー?

>> No.16776446

Thanks. Didn't think it could be written that way, sorry.

>> No.16776452

a protip, when you encounter a glyph that you don't know, fire up google translator, select japanese and click on the pen icon. You can draw whatever you don't recognize and you'll have a list of suggestions.

>> No.16776478

That will be useful, thanks for letting me know.

>> No.16776482

A lot of beginners seem to get tripped up over that and >>16769991

>> No.16776692

so の、こと and 物 can all mean "thing"? the の confuses me the most.

>> No.16776704

Read the DoJG entries. http://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_night.html

>> No.16776731


This song's pretty easy.

>> No.16776732


The site hosting the sounds changed the URL format (likely on purpose because everyone was leeching it). Rikaisama dev disappeared months ago, so no updates until someone else decides to take over with a new extension

>> No.16776743
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I e-mailed jpod about it, maybe they will fix it.

>> No.16776755

I downloaded the Daijirin from the Cornucopia. Anyone knows how I can use it on my cellphone? Knowing how to install it on my PC would be useful too but I use my cellphone more.

>> No.16776766

The EPWING one? Get a reader app like EBPocket

>> No.16776798

What does the "だいじょばない" from the perfume song mean?

>> No.16776836

purposefully wrong negative form of 大丈夫, because natives can mangle the language however they want, especially when music is involved



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>> No.16776877 [DELETED] 

Do we have the meiryo fonts uploaded somewhere? I just formatted and I need to setup everything back again.

>> No.16776896

The font section of the CoR.

>> No.16776930

I saw the first one. Would these be the same? What's the nuance difference?

>> No.16776948

Yeah I saw them thanks. My problem now is that even when swapping to Meiryo in Firefox what I'm seeing here hasn't changed。Only my bookmarks written in Japanese are using it, rest is still the basic shit.

Does anyone know how to remedy to this? Through F12 I can see Meiryo isn't used but I can't change anything.

>> No.16776997

Same for my computer (Windows 10 sadly), my the font used for Japanese is quite simply terrible and I can't find a way to fix it.

>> No.16777367

still new to this but if I remember correctly, まい is the stiff and formal form of ないだろう
the first one expresses less certainty ("probably won't") and sounds more formal

>> No.16777445

Huh. That actually makes a lot of sense.

>> No.16777644

I see thank you very much anon.

>> No.16777728
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Is subs2srs worth it?

Looks like it's more of a hassle as it'll actually help you, might as well just watch with jap subs a few times.

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I honestly can't tell what this is supposed to be. Any help would be appreciated.

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>> No.16777809

I really don't understand handwriting if え can be written like that.

>> No.16777815

welcome to asian handwriting

>> No.16777819

Shit. Thanks, though.

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>> No.16777905

What the hell is なれりける? Some archaic form of なりつける or something?

>> No.16777938

>It's not supposed to be read from cover to cover.
That's what I did

>> No.16777988

emphatic bound particle ぞ + 已然形 form of なる + perfective/resultative/continuative auxiliary verb り + 連体形 form of past-tense auxiliary verb けり

welcome to 文語

>> No.16778000

This is why saying to learn the actual strokes used to write stuff is not just a meme like some people say.
Honestly I had no idea what that character was from looking at it, then I just asked myself how would you write it, and then it hit me because it matches the way you'd write え

>> No.16778020

How do I share my anki deck between my PC and Laptop?

>> No.16778024

Jesus Christ

>> No.16778029

How do I share my anki-progress between my PC and Laptop*

Can you have it on a USB or anything and use it on both machines?

I tend to use a laptop in the evening and mornings in bed and Anki is perfect for that but I also want sneak in some Anki rounds during work time

>> No.16778032

Use Ankiweb sync

>> No.16778034

What's the essential minimum to start reading manga? I am barely jlpt5 and most of the things i find are far too complicated for me. But without reading unoptimised things i quickly loose motivation.

Also, what is the easiest manga/doujinshi you can recomend?

>> No.16778044

About Tae Kim-level grammar. The number of words needed is inversely proportional to your patience.
>Also, what is the easiest manga/doujinshi you can recomend?
To Love Ru, Love Hina, Dragon Ball.

>> No.16778052

If motivation is a significant problem / you're afraid of touching anything above children's book level, you frankly can't learn Japanese. It's better to look for a different hobby.

>> No.16778067


For some people learning Japanese is literally a matter of life or death. Thai here. Wages are 10x as much for Thais able to speak Japanese. Even higher if you move to Japan and work there. I already speak English (obviously) but that only raises my wages by 30-50% due to prevalence of English speakers and relatively low demand for Thai English speakers.

>> No.16778076

For those people the /int/ board exists.

>> No.16778151

>Not advising yotsubato

>> No.16778217

Why is there no simple site to read raw manga on?

>> No.16778228

Because all those aggregator sites like mangafox only host shitty scanlations, and not licensed content. But there are publishers that let you read raws for free on their sites.

>> No.16778291

Holy shit, i am able to read To Love Ru in raw.
The world won't be the same anymore

I owe you a giant thank you

It's not that significant, i am somewhat a language geek who loves eastern culture.
It's not about the global motivation but a momentary. In other words i get bored

>> No.16778689

Wait, I can read Dragon ball after I finish tae-kim? Holy shit, i've read it so many times, i'm going to do that right after I finish.

>> No.16778817

Is there any way of changing the overall font of everything? Its almost impossible to read this しけん

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Ah forgot image. I guess not being retarded helps.

>> No.16779020

Bump : >>16776948 >>16776997

>> No.16779143

What's the term for the worlds like すやすや、へなへな、がたがた、どきどき、すらすら, etc...

Looking for a list of them or at least knowing what they're called please.

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Am I doing good?

>> No.16779469

If you're doing reading too, sure.

>> No.16779472


Yet to start, still reading Tae Kim guide, I'm about in the middle of essential grammar

>> No.16779473

I'm having trouble with the past tense adjective.


or would be たのしくない be fine?

>> No.16779478


It's called: onomatopoeic or mimetic word

here some links


>> No.16779642

お かな?



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>> No.16779688

Pretty sure it's え because of the angle and size of the top stroke. But we may never know unless that anon provides the context it came from.

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>> No.16779724

I'll bet you 500円 that it is

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who the fuck writes ソ like that, it could've been リ too.

>> No.16779896

that can't be り

>> No.16779904

Don't underestimate japanese handwriting.

>> No.16779905

that's not handwriting

>> No.16779909

You're right, actually

>> No.16779919

I'm actually practicing my kata on DJT Kana and I selected the first 4 fonts, and that fucked me over. I guess a giveaway for it being so should've been the slightly tilted first stroke.

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>> No.16780168

are だ and です interchangeable?

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>> No.16780170

If you read Tae Kim you'd know.

>> No.16780172

in some instances yes, but in general no

>> No.16780173

I'm less than halfway in, I'll keep on reading then.

>> No.16780244

たのしい → たのしくなかった

>> No.16780377

Kanji is my biggest weak point. Whenever I read, I constantly have to look up kanji. If somebody reads it out loud to me, I can understand it just fine because of my overall speaking ability from having lived in Japan.

What's the best way to improve this? Just keep reading? It takes so much time to keep plugging in all the kanji, so it takes me forever to get through something.

>> No.16780391

I hope you're just misspeaking but obviously kanji alone won't go into your brain. You learn words, not kanji.

And yes, read more. Almost everyone who asks these questions read very very little.

>> No.16780441

I know words, though. For speaking, anyway. I just can't read what I can speak. I spent all my years in Japan hanging out and talking to people, but I never bothered taking the time to read. So, I can talk about politics but can't read a newspaper about the same topics.

But thanks, I'll keep trying to read.

>> No.16780513

knowing how to speak should give you a "slight" headstart. unfortunately japan's spoken vocab can't be easily put in written form.
As for method, just study words that you actually need/encounter: put them in an anki deck and you're set.
I see that a lot of the guides usually linked don't tell how to actually use anki, meaning the method of study. Basically make a deck and fill it with at least 20 WORDS on a daily basis. After you're done reading whatever, before going to bed, open up your deck and study it, which means try to guess the word by reading it and translating it. If you failed one of those conditions, press again. If it took some time for you to remember the reading/TL press good, if it was instant press easy.
The fastest way to gain vocab is by doing something you enjoy (reading books, LNs, VNs), and going through kanji you encounter using anki. VNs are pretty good because they also give you a reading.

>> No.16780517

>I just can't read
Then you don't know the words.

What is meant is you learn 蝕む, the word, and not 蝕, the kanji, alone. Remembering the former is a lot easier than the latter.

>> No.16780536

>Then you don't know the words.
That's incorrect. I know them but can't read them.

However, I understand what you're trying to say, so it's fine.

I'm not asking how to remember individual kanji by themselves -- I'm asking what the fastest way to do catch up on my reading comprehension would be. It's taking me an ass-long time to get through reading anything because I keep having to plug in words. And then, I forget them pretty quickly because I'm kind of bad at them, I suppose. I know what 続く means when spoken, but I quickly forget that 続 is the kanji for that word.

I know that "shoumei" (照明) means lighting or lighting fixtures because I spoke to my friends about it when he was installing lighting in his new home. However, if you showed me that kanji, I can't read it.

Anyway, like I said, I'll just keep trying, slowly but surely. I feel like some old medieval peasant who never learned to read or write.

>> No.16780549

Not him, but basically:

You know しょうめい. You don't know 照明. Because you don't know 照明, you have to learn it. Not because you need to map the kanji in 照明 to the sounds in しょうめい, but because you don't know the word 照明.

Your problem isn't "kanji". Your problem is that you don't know "words written in kanji". It's like not knowing how english words are spelled. It's not like not knowing a writing system.

>> No.16780710

is this correct? I'm asking someone who his/her girlfriend is

>> No.16780730

Yes, it's correct. I can imagine a crowded room and you asking someone which of the people in the room is his/her girlfriend.

If you want to ask in general, then you can also say (あなたの)彼女は誰ですか?

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>> No.16780747

yeah, I was imagining a situation with a group and sking a pal which one of the girls there was his gf. so the one you wrote is instead asked generally, as in asking pratically the name in a subtle way I recon? to which he could reply ううん、彼女じゃない;________;。 ?

>> No.16780861

Does the second line mean "The more I am disliked, the stronger my interest in the other person becomes" ?

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Does this sentence sound like good Japanese?

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>> No.16781604

>tfw you're only able to read japanese because of djt
it's a weird feel, what-ifs and shit

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