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Anonymous Thu Mar 23 20:32:48 2017 No.16758268 [Reply] [Original]

When will there be a Christian spirit to enter gensokyo? Christianity has had a major impact on Japan so it's strange that there's no trace of it at all in gensokyo. I know the whole holy war and faith struggle has already been done so I don't really want another religion arc, but why was Zun never capitalized on christianity?

Do you think we will one day have a western theme/mythology arc?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 21:03:39 2017 No.16758346 Mary, I guess? She's English, right? They're traditionally pretty Christian. Guess it's only an implication and not a fact, though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 21:07:29 2017 No.16758359 Wouldn't the chocolate melt and smudge her dress?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 21:15:07 2017 No.16758383 >>16758268 Well, Eastern Project is the translated name, right? That would kind of imply it's mainly about things mainly eastern, implying it has very little to do with anything western. So I wouldn't get your hopes up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 21:22:17 2017 No.16758400 >>16758268 Christianity is alive and well in the outside world. Their god has literally no need to care about faith problems, specially since his gimmick is to be omnipotent and plain don't give a shit about anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 21:23:10 2017 No.16758405 >>16758268 >Do you think we will one day have a western theme/mythology arc? You can't get any more popular than EoSD.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 21:28:13 2017 No.16758426 >>16758400 Apocryphal texts could be a thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 22:11:54 2017 No.16758578 >>16758383 True, though Shanghai Alice was chosen as a name to encompass western and eastern cultures.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 02:16:32 2017 No.16759469 >>16758268 Loli Amakusa Shirō and Francis Xavier when?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 02:25:20 2017 No.16759484 >>16758400 This, plus if what Jews and Muslims say is true. That it's the same God then a little more than half the world worships him The only Christians going to gensokyo are demon hunters and inquisitors.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 03:25:39 2017 No.16759612 File: 342 KB, 600x600, __okazaki_yumemi_touhou_and_touhou_pc_98_drawn_by_akizawa_aki__24439da2698a4c9d7a87d14acd9a32b7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16758268 She's been around for some time now, dudebro.

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 03:55:14 2017 No.16759680

>strange that there's no trace of it at all in gensokyo
Even in the modern era, Rumia showed that it's known of in Gensokyo. I'm pretty sure koakuma is a western demon, and would therefore know of the existence of God/Jesus. It's not too far fetched to say that the other mansion residents were or acknowledge Christianity at some point.

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 06:16:27 2017 No.16759962

>>16758400
Touhou Yahweh is just some lazy shitter who goes and beats on important gods to do their job
his omnipotence is just being so far above everyone else that they do his job for him out of fear or some shit.
He doesn't do much now since he gets free billions of faith juice

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 06:32:58 2017 No.16759999 But there already is one

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 06:50:02 2017 No.16760037 Also I'm pretty sure that some fairies and Patchouli (?) prayed to god and Reimu said "what a strange religion" in SSiB but I don't remember clearly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 07:30:55 2017 No.16760131 >>16759962 Do you think he just sits in a recliner and watches TV all day?

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 07:41:06 2017 No.16760155

>>16760131
Probably, his power is probably some Blazblue type shit like Power of Order where he just no-sells magic and reality warping and other things. He could've bullied other gods into making miracles happen for him and now that he has faith in abundance he doesn't do miracles.

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 08:02:09 2017 No.16760203

>>16760155
That brings up a point I thought of. Does the Barrier actually effect faith in any way? Presumedly you can say that at this point the gods are not getting much in the way of faith from the outside world. But if they did, would the barrier effect it in some way?

Since it's a non-tangible thing that strengthens gods, you might be able to assume that it's some form of energy that gods feed on. Would the barrier be able to effect it somehow?

I'm a bit vague on what the barrier effects, but according to descriptions elsewhere, it only effects "living things and their creations." Faith could be assumed to be a human creation of sorts, albeit entirely in the mental/spiritual sense... so maybe?

Anyway, if it did something like block it off entirely, you could assume Jesus would be fucked coming to Gensokyo.

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 08:08:00 2017 No.16760216

>>16760203
It probably doesn't, I imagine it like observation in blazblue (again) and the more you acknowledge it, the stronger it is tied to existence, humans and youkai can do this to divine spirits and gods and basically pull more of their power into existence by acknowledging its existence. Gods fade when nobody acknowledges them.

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 08:17:38 2017 No.16760240

>>16760216
tl:dr they're bound to human belief in their existence and when that link is severed they either become weaker (if all of humanity for example was observing them they'd be at their zenith or true power) or just fade from existence.
I'd imagine that it makes a distinction between being devoted and just knowing that it exist though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 13:46:58 2017 No.16761505 There should be a 2hu thats based off of Jesus. And no, Byakuren doesn't count.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 14:58:08 2017 No.16761860 File: 888 KB, 1112x1280, 1457627699388.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16758268 No That's the last thing Yukari and others trying to influence the human village would want.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 18:53:51 2017 No.16762949 >>16761860 Yeah, because Yukari and the others knows they'd lose to something like that. Because they're all cowards.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 20:20:43 2017 No.16763323 Yahweh has no power in gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 21:27:50 2017 No.16763527 >>16763323 It is worth remembering that ‘Yahweh’ is a scholarly reconstruction of the original pronunciation—first suggested by Wilhelm Gesenius (1786–1842). Many contemporary scholars are not convinced that he was correct. Hebrew doesn't have vowels

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 22:57:50 2017 No.16763883 >>16761505 Well there was that one fan game, The Last Comer, not sure if its any good though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 06:48:24 2017 No.16764976 >>16763527 I'm pretty sure that א, ה, ו, י and ע count as vowels. That means that God's name is literally made up of nothing but vowels.

Anonymous Sat Mar 25 17:07:42 2017 No.16767575

>>16764976
It doesn't matter what it means in English
Ancient Hebrew doesn't have vowels

Hebrew is written from right to left. Originally, the alphabet was an abjad consisting only of consonants, but is now considered an "impure abjad". As with other abjads, such as the Arabic alphabet, scribes later devised means of indicating vowel sounds by separate vowel points, known in Hebrew as niqqud.

Jews stopped using "Yahweh" because it's not the proper translation

Anonymous Sat Mar 25 17:17:02 2017 No.16767603

>>16767575
To clarify
Hebrew has no vowels; it has instead 22 consonants and the words and sentences read from right to left.

Hebrew is the only ancient language that has been revived and re-established into modern colloquial use. And the reason is that you already know the English language, so it is intuitive for your brain to replace the missing vowels.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 00:12:04 2017 No.16769086 >>16767603 Why are we talking about Hebrew in /jp/? I pressed return expecting to look at the front page of /his/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 00:23:06 2017 No.16769127 File: 87 KB, 500x706, christ-chan_d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16758268 Christ-Chan popping thru a stargate[gap] into Gensokyo would render an incident of epic proportions

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 00:46:27 2017 No.16769189 I want to bring Christianity to Gensokyo and spread peace and tolerance. Demons / Youkai / Other "Gods" aren't allowed and will get Luke 10:19'd by God's power.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 04:04:10 2017 No.16769620 File: 577 KB, 960x1005, 1457627781144.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16769189 Good lad

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 21:47:49 2017 No.16773636 >>16769189 Amen.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 09:00:42 2017 No.16775471

>>16769189
That was arguably a blessing given only to the seventy two
That said, if Christians with true biblical knowledge enter gensokyo the paradigm would fall rather quickly as nephillim, angels, and demons enter people's lists of known supernatural entities beyond the periphery (which they may not understand the full scope or purposes of being the descendants illiterate 16th century japanese peasants) and these outclass any youkai in any way
Once they realize that myriads upon myriads of them exist then I don't think the reality deviant reserve park that is gensokyo would last for much longer

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 09:06:56 2017 No.16775494 >>16769189 Do not bully cirno

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 09:10:00 2017 No.16775512 File: 197 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16758268 Soon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 09:19:33 2017 No.16775549 No man alive or dead commands me! I answer to the lord!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 09:20:51 2017 No.16775555 >>16758268 >mayor impact on japan were there any impact?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 09:38:29 2017 No.16775623 File: 77 KB, 887x1097, 1488572194011.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Imagine an overly zealot exorcist like Anderson falling in Gensoukyo. He wrecks shit until Yukari and Reimu throw him out

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 10:15:33 2017 No.16775748 >>16775623 He has some pretty good danmaku. I'm also sure he could kill Yukari if he wanted. Alucard is a monster way beyond Yukari's soft ass and Anderson was able to fight him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 10:17:54 2017 No.16775757 >>16775748 Alucard was being pretty gentemanly about their duels though, he'd have devoured Anderson in a minute if he didn't wish to be slain by a pure human.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 10:28:34 2017 No.16775781 Clownpiece is a Christian spirit because the good red blood of America flows through her

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 10:31:21 2017 No.16775790 >>16775781 She may be a european fairy but she's no christian

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 10:45:20 2017 No.16775832 >>16758268 The Big Guy's role, if any is to make sure that those with physics bending powers don't accidentally crash the server and ruin the universe for everyone. He's the host.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 10:52:36 2017 No.16775852

>>16769189

On the contrary, there are some Slavic saints that originated as local deities, and one of the G-man's followers was allowed to marry a sea goddess. Being worshiped is not a crime, abusing that worship, trying to convert his own followers to worship you, or worse, plagiarizing the works of the Lord is a swift way towards earning His ire.

One thing I've always wondered is if the fact that Remilia isn't harmed by crosses means that He's more or less cool with her. I wonder what would happen if you pressed the same cross onto Sakuya.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 10:58:57 2017 No.16775886 I remember there being this huge-ass image about how Christiany and the such were despicted on the early games but I can't find it despite knowing I've saved it. Perhaps someone knows which one I'm talking about.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 11:05:49 2017 No.16775905
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>>16775494

The relationship between Christianity and fairies is... complicated. Depending on who you ask, they're either a type of angel, a type of demon, gods demoted by the Lord due to abuse of their abilities and remade into His image out of mercy, or something else entirely whose origins are separate from the angel/demon-youkai/human dichotomy. Though Christians were the first to demonize them, they were also the ones who gave them their current modern image of pretty (relatively) friendly winged creatures that appears to ring true in Gensokyo, and fairies like the Leprechaun are a part of the overall culture.

As fairies are among the few individuals of Gensokyo confirmed to speak English (Clowpiece, the fairy maids) coupled with the general Christian instinct towards acting chivalrous towards the weak and innocent, they are among the most likely, if only inhabitants that a would-be crusader would find any form of understanding with.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 11:29:06 2017 No.16776012 File: 3.04 MB, 1024x9384, 1489215895516.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16775886 this one?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 11:31:02 2017 No.16776023 >>16776012 Oh, yes. That's the one. Thank you very much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 11:49:18 2017 No.16776089 >>16775623 He's excellent at throwing sharp things like Yumeko or Sakuya. As long as he starts flying about, which he could probably do, he'd be having a good time stabbing ungodly pagans to death.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 11:54:00 2017 No.16776110 File: 116 KB, 545x510, The Crusader.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 10th Crusade into Gensokyo when?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 11:54:28 2017 No.16776112 >>16775757 That's discounting that he had the same regenerative abilities as Alucard + holy anti-vampire powers too. Anderson was just too crazy for his own good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 12:09:34 2017 No.16776165 >>16759680 Crosses are mentioned in canon as seemingly not hurting Remi, though this could just be a result of Xian symbols lacking faith in Gensokyo.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 12:16:03 2017 No.16776200

>>16763883
I personally found it lazy. I mean, think about it. The "Shinto" final boss wasn't Amaterasu, the "Buddhist" final boss wasn't a Buddha, and the "Taoist" final boss wasn't loli Lao-tzu. Having the Christian final boss just be loli Jesus shows an incredible degree of lacking care or doing research. It really should have been loli Xavier or loli Amakusa, or someone related to those two.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 12:19:07 2017 No.16776213

>>16776200
The "christian final boss" has already been done though, at least once it was obviously done and perhaps twice if you count Shinki. Since the fight was against the a literal angel of death and archangel in the flesh, don't really know anything about her in-universe though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 12:21:45 2017 No.16776224 >>16776213 I meant more in regards to a modern styled, Christian themed game. And PC98 was kind of weird.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 13:58:34 2017 No.16776706 >>16776224 so who should be the boss? a lolified pope from 12th century crusades?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 14:04:38 2017 No.16776718 >>16776706 We already have a holy loli, an onee-chan pope from the 12th century crusades would be rad

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 14:36:25 2017 No.16776898 >>16776706 Loli Saint Xavier, the guy who brought Christianity to Japan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 14:41:18 2017 No.16776921 >>16776706 A genderbent Karl XII expy who knows how to magic or is magical in nature

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 16:52:33 2017 No.16777483
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>>16776706
How about a cute girl Honorius III? He started the Fifth Crusade, and he was so badass the motherfucker drew pentagrams and summoned demons just to challenge himself. He's probably even better at exterminating youkai than Reimu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:42:52 2017 No.16777961 >>16776706 No, a new human character. Not a miko, not a witch, not a maid, not a nurse, but a nun!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 03:47:52 2017 No.16779988 >>16777483 what the heck this guy sounds extremely cool

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 00:20:16 2017 No.16784220 File: 1.19 MB, 806x1140, 1490736288661.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Christians are going across the galaxy and the whole universe to spread the good Word and bring back spices

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