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What western monsters do you think would fit right into gensokyo as youkai?

>> No.16710552

Me

>> No.16710558

>>16710507
Every single Aboriginal Australian mythological monster.

>> No.16710565
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>>16710507
Honestly this thing would make for a nice story.
It freezes everything in its immediate presence, gets larger during winter and seeks out light and warmth only to extinguish it when it finally gets there.

>> No.16710620

>>16710558
That's not western at all.

>> No.16710635

It's not a monster, but it's kind of weird there's no elf touhou.

>> No.16710640

>>16710620
But Australia is technically culturally western.

>> No.16710647
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>>16710565
It's a reverse yuki-onna basically, it's ugly, wants friends and hunts you down. Would be interesting if it met Letty or something. Its theme song is eerie as fuck too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHyR8kD2Uuw

Called the groke in english.

>> No.16710654

>>16710640
Yeah you kind of mean in the same way Japan is, except the Japanese actually adopted many aspects successfully where as abbos are complete trash. By what measure is some aboriginal monster"western" as compared to some japanese monster then?

>> No.16710692

Banshee, sphinx maybe

>> No.16710741
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16710741

Medusa 2hu when?

>> No.16710748

>>16710640
Only because the westerners enslaved the local population. That doesn't make aboriginal monsters "western" more than it makes African folklore western.

>> No.16710760

>>16710748
Why isn't African folklore western? You just said Australian monsters aren't western because they aren't geographically in the west, regardless of culture. Wouldn't that make African folklore monsters western because it is geographically in the west regardless of culture?

>> No.16710768

>>16710760
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture

>> No.16710782

>>16710507
There is a few left, considering we already have Vampires (Scarlets), Ankou (Komachi), werewolves (Kagerou), Dullahan (Sekibanki), sirens (Wakasagi), poltergeists (Prismrivers...)

Maybe gorgon, elf, imp, gnome, dwarves, trolls, angels...

>> No.16710787

>>16710768
So Australian monsters count then. Gotcha.

>> No.16710789

>>16710787
Australian, sure. I couldn't name a single one if I tried, though.

Aboriginal monsters, no. Aboriginal culture is not a western culture.

>> No.16710790

>>16710787
Aboriginals are not european

>> No.16710808
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16710808

Any of them that wouldn't hurt the 2hus badly

>> No.16710819

>>16710790
>>16710789
So you can't have monsters from countries considered western who live in a western way nowadays nor ones from ones in the west? So we're not using Greek, eastern European, Eskimo, native north, central, or southern American monsters, or middle eastern monsters (e.g. angels, succubi, and genies) either then, right?

>> No.16710831

>>16710819
The definition of "western" culture is pretty modern and awkward, but its heritage is in Greco-Roman, Celtic, Germanic, Slavic and Nordic cultures. And a few others, if we want to be entirely accurate.

So Greek and Eastern European monsters would by most definitions fall under "western" monsters. As would things like angels, because while they haven't originated in the west, they've a major part of the actual folklore of many western cultures historically.

But no, Eskimo or native American monsters would absolutely not be a part of "western" folklore. Neither would middle eastern monsters that haven't been accepted as a part of the western cultural canon.

>> No.16710862

>>16710831
basically anything derived from european or european colonial cultures (colonial american (not native), australian colonial, icelandic, etc)

>> No.16710928

>>16710552
Same here

>> No.16711015

>>16710507
Why not a banshee 2hu? She could hang out with Kyouko and Mystia.

>> No.16711759

La Llorona
Bloody Mary
Medusa
Banshees
Gargoyles
Elves
Wendigo
Thunder and rainbirds and other shit from Native Americans, Eskimos, Aztecs, etc. I'm not too familiar with.

>> No.16711790

OP is also probably talking about fictional creatures along with cryptid/mythological ones considering he talks about Mörkö/the groke.

>> No.16711848

>>16710507
Grimace apparently

>> No.16712007

>>16711848
>americans

>> No.16712042
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16712042

Water horsie 2hu when?

>> No.16712047

Would non-Japanese folklore monsters even survive, given that no one of the locals even knows what they are?
>>16712007
Dude, who are you quoting?

>> No.16712051

Djinns are not western, but i still think it would be interesting to see one in the series.

>> No.16712200

>>16712047
>Would non-Japanese folklore monsters even survive, given that no one of the locals even knows what they are?
Remilia survives, they could probably make a name for themselves if they did it quickly.

>> No.16713502

>>16710507
touhou youkais = almost all earthling monsters

>> No.16714537

>>16712047
näcken (necken).
nudist male water spirit playing violin on a river.
>Would non-Japanese folklore monsters even survive
Those naughty kappas sure would like him.

>> No.16714571

>>16710640
The nation of Australia is culturally British. Abos aren't Western. Abo culture isn't western. Abo culture inhabited an area which is now filled with completely different people who are western.

>> No.16714576

>>16710507
Why not Pukwudgies? They seem to be able to fit in quite well into Gensokyo.
>small, about 2-3 ft with grey skin
>can appear and disappear at will
>can shoot poison arrows
>can use fire and magic
Seems like they could hang out with the Kappas.

>> No.16714581

>>16710862
>icelandic
Those weren't colonial. They moved there thousands of years ago, and have always been Norse.

>> No.16714638

>>16710507
Considering that Japanese anime/games seem to have a strange fascination with Finland, why not anything based off from their mythology?
Hell, the Finnish underworld is Tuonela, which can be reached by crossing the Tuonela river after convincing a ferryman, the Tuonen tytti/Tuonen piika, which is a girl.

Why do a lot of underworld myths involve crossing a river?

>> No.16714744

>>16714638
To get to the other side.

>> No.16715319

>>16714638
it's not mythology but OP is finnish (or finno-swedish)

You could derive a lot from nordic stuff though, like giant trolls and etc.

>> No.16725078

>>16713502
>almost all earthling monsters
What are moon monsters?

>> No.16725133

>>16710507
Well, the only monster we have in my locale is the legendary volkswagen sized catfish that eats people and hangs out near dams.

>> No.16725245

>>16725133
That's already a Touhou, sorry.

>> No.16725255

>>16714638
Well one original Touhou-style game based on finnish myhtology is already in making. If I remember right that anon posts sometimes in oc threads in this board.

>> No.16726094

>>16725078
Maybe the moon spiders from that movie Apollo 18.

>> No.16729582

>>16725255
Neat. Do they have a blog or something?

>> No.16732458

>>16729582
Yes, but unfortunately I can't remember the website. I don't have the bookmark either.

>> No.16733125

>>16729582
http://polarnightgames.com/

>> No.16733292

The fearsome ghost of Akina, the most maneuverable youkai in gensokyo. She frequently chases after random passerbys and asks to race them on foot.

>> No.16733401

The gorgon sisters, probably.

They're pretty typical of youkai in that they were born of an evil deed, and they have a deadly secret, but the knowledgeable can use a trick to thwart them (mirrored shield, not looking them in the eyes)

>> No.16733502

>>16733292
Takumi's 86 haunts racers because it was that good? Fun idea.

>> No.16733523

>>16733502
>The 86 will never be made real in Gensokyo through urban legends and thunder down Youkai Mountain
>Yukari will never take it for herself

>> No.16735568

>>16733523
It'd probably spend its spare time singing eurobeat songs

>> No.16736154

Are there any angel 2hus? It'd be pretty neat if there was something like that.

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>>16736154
There's Sagume who only looks the part with the white wing she has.

>> No.16736203

>>16736170
I thought she was a lunarian goddess. Am i missing something?

>> No.16736399

>>16736154
Tenshi, Miko kind of

>> No.16736600

>>16736154
Sariel is the only straight up angel

>> No.16736605

>>16736600
Also both of her themes are god-tier

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>>16736154
PC-98 has a lot of Abrahamic touhous, and the games are actually very good

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>>16736736
Shit wrong picture

>> No.16736764

>>16712047
as >>16712200 say, there is plenty of western critter living just fine in gensokyo
i mean, THE basic critters in gensokyo are fairies, you can't have more western folkloric-creature

>> No.16736769

>>16736203
She is. Anon above you is retarded

>> No.16736866

>>16736764
I wonder if nordic elves could ever be introduced.
There's two variations that you could make (you could also pretend they are related since the words are related in nordic mythology) one can warp fucking time by being in your presence and also obscure spaces if they want to, they can also disease humans if a human makes them angry.

Then there's the other variation, which can be anything from divine spirits to nature spirits. Would figure they would be a lot like the tengu or the kappa if they were introduced and lived in their own corner of Gensokyo.

So they could range from gods, to divine spirits to psuedo-fairies (since Älvor is the literal translation of Feer into a swedish, more specifically, but have no real relation)

>> No.16737201

>>16736866
Maybe elves could be ascended fairies or something, if the etymology would justify them being related.

>> No.16737688

Do you think there are other Gensokyo-type places created by other cultures?

>> No.16737730

>>16737688

Hecatia's profile also seems to imply Apollo existed, so the rest of the Greek pantheon were probably around at some point.

Yukari also got those hobgoblins from the UK, so youkai are not restricted to the Eastern variety either.

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16737743

Doesn't she count?

>> No.16737764

>>16737730
I mean, Gensokyo was probably the first time monsters started their own human farm, because they realized that humans would stop believing in them, so tons of monsters from outside Japan also made the big move there, but after that, do you think that other places started their own, too? Or, maybe, Gensokyo was just the first one open to the "publi," or, other monsters. Like, there could be a Greek God one from thousands of years ago, but absolutely nobody is allowed in.

>> No.16737800

>>16737688
All those Native American beasts and cryptids probably have their own magic communities hidden away in North America.

>> No.16737809

>>16737688
Chupacabras and hobgoblins still exist in the outside world. Creatures like leprechauns, gnomes, and fairies also probably stay hidden. Though I would imagine Gensokyo is like the best safe haven in the world, since only a few extremely powerful youkai like Yukari are capable of creating such a thing. In other areas of the outside world it's probably hard to survive. That's why youkai from outside like Remilia or Mamizou move in.

>> No.16737849

Would Letty be considered western? All that's eastern about her is that she's a yuki-onna or similar to one, her name is english and all and her clothing isn't all too eastern either.

>> No.16738078

>>16737743
She's not a monster asshole, she's cute.

>> No.16738673

>>16738078
do mermaids have assholes?

>> No.16744215

>>16738673
Yes.

>> No.16745955

>>16710620
Like half of their shit was made up by brits anyway.
>dot painting

>> No.16746041

>>16737764
Gensokyo was formed around 1885. That's really recent- early versions of coffee machines and machine guns had already been invented. Given what else we know from canon

Given Japan's respect for shinto/mythology, Japanese youkai populations likely began to die off (like the Yamabikos) relatively later than Western ones, who probably began to dissapear during the enlightenment era or even earlier- meaning Gensokyo only became a necessity later on.

Yukari's treatment of the barrier and the way people go in/out suggest a pretty tight balance [Perhaps reflective of Japanese cultural attitudes regarding integration, etc]

Either the situation on the outside is really dire and there are very, very few youkai left (unlikely given what we know in canon) or there are other, older enclaves in Gensokyo, though they likely run on different systems

>> No.16754820

>>16736154
Tenshi is a Chinese-style angel (or at least the closest equivalent). Her name means "angel" too.

>> No.16760140 [DELETED] 

What are some of your favourite MG related voice works?

>> No.16765813

>>16725078
lunar rabbits aren't youkais for example

>> No.16765819

>>16736154
matenshi, 4th midboss of SoEW

>> No.16766177

>>16736866
Since Älva/Alv is a similar word, and Alv/Elves are anything from nature spirits to divine spirits, maybe they could be the divine spirits of fairies.

>> No.16766223

>>16754820
She's more of a celestial, she doesn't really count.

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>>16711759
>Wendigo
Shit's getting dark.

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16773612

This semen demon right here

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>>16710565
And then there is the one creature which makes even the Groke shiver.

The lady of the cold actually had no depiction in the original series IIRC, so this is how the Japanese depicted her in the anime.

>> No.16784323

>>16775150
Cool.

>> No.16789443

>>16784323
Heh.

>> No.16789650

>>16789443
Take your candy box out of the motherfucking thread.

>> No.16789721

>>16710507
My DICK, the Seventh High Serpent of the West

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