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Let's talk about Touhou 15.5
What are your expectations for it? What characters do you think will join the roster?

>> No.16648907

At-least it's not another /e/ thread.

>> No.16648922

Shit tier.

Everyone in ULIL but with half the storylines and a pair of new characters.

It'll make people actually view ULIL as halfway decent with how shit this will be.

Twilight Frontier's trying to clone Capcom's character switching mechanic they're going to utterly fuck it up and it'll probably this time have straight up DRM in it.

Of course the REAL version will be on the SONY PLAYSTATION 4 in a year or two at AAA game price and idiots will eat it up.

>> No.16649857

>What are your expectations for it?
That Tasofro will unfuck themselves and fix their netcode. Oh wait you said expectations, not hopes.
>What characters do you think will join the roster?
If there's no Sanae again I'm going to fucking.

It'll most likely be Junko, Wriggle, Yuuka and the "strongest duo", the 2 newhus.

>> No.16649882

Is that his wife?

>> No.16649891

That can't be ZUN's wife. His wife is Mamizou.

>> No.16649988

I hope Anon's wrong but this is almost exactly my assessment.

Of course, my chief gripe is this:
>Of course the REAL version will be on the SONY PLAYSTATION 4 in a year or two at AAA game price and idiots will eat it up.
This is how you alienate your core audience.

>> No.16650045

>Let's talk about Touhou 15.5

Let's not.

>> No.16650093

>your core audience
You mean the people who download the game for free? Oh no! Wouldn't want them to stop playing!

>> No.16650136

>This is how you alienate your core audience.
Well, thank god that you whiny pirating fuckers are not part of it.

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My only fear in relation to PS4 is that it'll become big like the JoJo fighting game and bring a bunch JoJo-fan tier westerners. The Touhou fanbase in the west is already bad enough.

But on the flip side, it would also mean more legitimately purchased games, and more money in ZUN's pockets as it wouldn't be pirating >>16650093 >>16650136. Maybe if it were really successful, we start to see western distributions, and further help ZUN out a bit

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No, fampei. I buy my games.

But paying $30 is different from paying $60 for a game. That's all I'm saying.

>> No.16650367

Go back there.

>> No.16650405 [DELETED] 

Good shit. How will pirates ever recover?

>> No.16650425 [DELETED] 

Literally talking to himself.

>> No.16650438 [DELETED] 

are we being raided?

>> No.16650451 [DELETED] 

Le Reddit is here to cleanse the scum from the earth.

>> No.16650456 [DELETED] 

i guess so!

nice job on this thread, reddit. really strong discussion youve got going on.

>> No.16650493 [DELETED] 

normies pls go

Yes, it's obvious.

>> No.16650545

It's not like the console players who bought the port on day 1 got buttfucked the worst out of the whole deal. I literally fail to fathom any reason to shot oneself in the foot by announcing a fighting game sequel 3 days after releasing the prior game, on a different platform to boot.

Speaking of which... Any guesses why there's no news about AoCF whatsoever since the announcement?

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Literally not an argument.

There's really nothing wrong with pirating, I do it too. But if you're not directly supporting the creator with them greenbacks then you surrender any right to bitch about him doing what you don't like. Which just so happens to involve a release on a platform that isn't as easy to pirate on, but I'm sure that's just a good old coincidence so I'll leave it at that.

>Any guesses why there's no news about AoCF whatsoever since the announcement?
You're incredibly new, that's why.

>> No.16650594

>Any guesses why there's no news about AoCF whatsoever since the announcement?

It's because Tasofro is working really hard to make sure the game is fun to play and perfectly balanced.

Yeah right.

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>> No.16650673

>My only fear in relation to PS4 is that it'll become big like the JoJo fighting game and bring a bunch JoJo-fan tier westerners. The Touhou fanbase in the west is already bad enough.
That will absolutely never happen.

Jojo was kind of always secretly waiting to explode, it just never really got the chance in America because 1) faggot Americans need animes and hate readin mangas 2) regardless, America never even got Jojo beyond part 3 because Araki got mad about them changing the sound effects

But, muscular fabulous crazy powered nonsense was always a recipe for success. No wonder it got in the Louvre. Touhou, though, is simply too impenetrable for most, PS4 or no.

>> No.16650700


a nice thought

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>this fucking pirate-triggered sonygger again

>> No.16650760

What were the new modes anyway?

ULiL PS4 really didn't add much. Pretty much only a loss if you REALLY like Reisen (and Unknown X)

>> No.16650822

When Mima?

>> No.16650829


>> No.16650949 [DELETED] 

>Literally not an argument.
That's okay. I'm not inclined to argue with filthy crossboarders.

You keep using this turd thread as your echo chamber, though, hoss.

>> No.16650955 [DELETED] 

So triggered.

Could you go home now? You're not going to change this board.

>> No.16650963 [DELETED] 

>You're incredibly new, that's why.
Yeahhhhh. Nice argument...

Dude, you're not equipped to be here. You're a fucking normal from some other part of the internet. Fuck on out.

>> No.16650966 [DELETED] 

>There's really nothing wrong with pirating, I do it too. But if you're not directly supporting the creator with them greenbacks then you surrender any right to bitch about him doing what you don't like. Which just so happens to involve a release on a platform that isn't as easy to pirate on, but I'm sure that's just a good old coincidence so I'll leave it at that.
now I know:

1. you're retarded
2. you're just baiting

>> No.16650979 [DELETED] 

That image doesn't refute the other one (it also looks like shit)

If tomorrow all those features were announced as DLC for the PC version no one would be complaining because it could be pirated.

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Why yes indeed, the PS4 release of ULiL has exclusive content. You have yet to prove anything I say wrong, my dearest /v/ pally.

Did you know that ZUN only ever announces his new games and demos for them shortly before their release? It's not common for Tasofro and the fighting games, but to act like the lack of information is oh so important betrays how long you've following the series.

I'm looking for a mister Argument. Have you seen him? All I see here are pirates that are angry that new content was placed away from the easily-pirateable platform. Unless I'm wrong and you have some other reason why you are upset, in which case let's hear it!

>> No.16651012 [DELETED] 

>its about pirating!
>no, its about being a kike and making console-exclusive content
I posted the exclusive content PS4 gets.

I told you before I don't give a shit about this game, didn't play it more than 30 mins when it first came out.

Its about betraying your playerbase and principles.

>> No.16651014 [DELETED] 

>Did you know that ZUN only ever announces his new games and demos for them shortly before their release? It's not common for Tasofro and the fighting games, but to act like the lack of information is oh so important betrays how long you've following the series.
Jesus Christ, are you serious? This is amazing.

But I didn't just learn it and repost it here to try to assert some kind of authority on a topic I know nothing about.

Like you just did. Keep posting. You're just showing your ass more and more.

>> No.16651018 [DELETED] 

>I'm looking for a mister Argument.
Easily the gayest thing I've read all day and I have nothing but sixteen tabs of yaoi doujins open.

No I don't but you're still a faggot.

>> No.16651033 [DELETED] 

>It's not common for Tasofro and the fighting games, but to act like the lack of information is oh so important betrays how long you've following the series.
Faggot, this is common knowledge. We've all been here shittalking ZUN about every fucking thing for years. We know how he does things. The fact you think this is some kind of secret betrays your ignorance, not ours.

>> No.16651043 [DELETED] 

>We've all been here shittalking ZUN about every fucking thing for years.
Who's we?

>> No.16651057 [DELETED] 

The people who have been here and not recently migrated from Reddit or /a/.

>> No.16651122

I've read that aya's look was inspired from zun's wife, guess he had done such a good job he ended up turning his wife into aya.

>> No.16651165

I think you're mixing up information here.

When Aya was a relatively new character people joked around that she was ZUN's wife because she was in a lot of games and ZUN's floral shirts and hats looked like her clothing.

The Touhou that is said to be based on ZUN's wife is Mamizou.

>> No.16651194 [DELETED] 

>no, its about being a kike and making console-exclusive content
And then the question becomes: Why is that bad? Can't wait to see you dodging this one.

>Its about betraying your playerbase and principles.
People that don't buy his games are his fanbase? Has ZUN ever spoken against console-exclusive content so you can say he's betraying his principles? And if this is such high treason, why don't the japanese fans (the ones that this japanese creator is selling his japanese games in a japanese convention to) give much of a shit?

>Faggot, this is common knowledge.
So common that we have a guy over here wondering about it. Common knowledge!

Why bother replying if you're just going to say nothing? Hey, if you want to add to this conversation so badly, then you can start here:
>Unless I'm wrong and you have some other reason why you are upset, in which case let's hear it!

>> No.16651201 [DELETED] 

Or playerbase, rather.

>> No.16651208 [DELETED] 

>Why is that bad? Can't wait to see you dodging this one.
Because he is releasing exclusive content to a console in which the games didn't even start on. At full price too.

>> No.16651268 [DELETED] 

>Why bother replying if you're just going to say nothing?
But I am saying something. I'm saying you're a fantastic faggot and you just keep proving me right.

Here's another thing I'll say: You're gay.

>> No.16651278 [DELETED] 

>if you want to add to this conversation
This isn't a conversation. This is a thread composed of you, your sock puppet, and a couple randoms chiming in to agree with me that you're a fuckin douche bag who's really easy to trigger and work up.

Fuck off, Sonygger.

>> No.16651286 [DELETED] 

>You're gay.
Been on this site for long, but seeing that statement there, without any justification, just gives me the fattest laugh ever.

>> No.16651295 [DELETED] 

>without any justification
If this is who I was replying to earlier, you've proven what a massive faggot you are already, buddy. You know it in your heart.

If not, please disregard and enjoy your keks.

>> No.16651304 [DELETED] 

>Been on this site for long
really? i doubt it.

>> No.16651318 [DELETED] 

Fuck off, it's been 5 years now.

>> No.16651370 [DELETED] 

Oh shit, you're right.

Fucking ZUN sellout! Goddammit! Abandoning the PC-98 like that and making all his new games Windows-exclusive! We should all boycott that piece of jew! Etc, etc.

Well at least you're honest. Call me a faggot again.

>This isn't a conversation.
Rude. I just really want to know what's so bad about PS4 ULiL that makes PC pirat--- LOYAL FANS so angry.

>> No.16651391 [DELETED] 

Yeah because PC-98 games are unplayable on PC.
And that was progression of technology, no one would benefit if he kept making games for a dead machine.

Don't be retarded.

>> No.16651531

No, wait a damn moment.
According to some posters here saying that people who don't pay shit have no right to complain is a proof of being a /v/ermin?
Seriously now? Not the opposite?

In my opinion ZUN is free to do whatever the hell he wants with his series BUT people should be able to comlain about his choices obviously.
When I see people by the way I'm specifically talkung about the Japanese players (and the other dozen of players in the rest of the world) who buy his games, not the other players who have never ever supported in the series.

>> No.16651719

It'll be HM/ULiL but with tag combat. Can't say I'm too hyped, the aerial combat fighting games just don't feel as good as the ground combat fighting games to me. Hopefully it has a Soku-sized roster at least.

>> No.16651726 [DELETED] 

>Yeah because PC-98 games are unplayable on PC.
So are PS4 games.

You're trying really hard to paint ZUN as this platform loyalist guy or whatever when that's not the case at all. He platform-leaped once already, he plays his games with a controller instead of keyboard like a PC MASTER RACE person would and according to his interview in The Untold History of Japanese Game Developers, he owns a Wii, a Wii U, a 360 and a PS3 (and was even considering buying a PS4 at the time). And fuck, the exclusive content was HIS idea to add some meaning to the port!

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>Yeah because PC-98 games are unplayable on PC.
>So are PS4 games.
This settles it.
This faggot is just retarded.

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Well, that's reassuring at least

I doubt we will ever get Touhou going all the way to console, I can only imagine Danmaku games playing like ass on any kind of gampad

>> No.16651986

I would quite honestly buy his games if it weren't for the hassle, in fact I twice did try to import, both times my game got "lost in transit" and I had to make many phonecalls and wait many weeks to get back my money for the shipping costs. I won't be trying a third time.

>> No.16651993

The abundance of illogical arguments in this thread is unbecoming of the jay. What the hell is going on here?

>> No.16652027

It's almost as if -I dare not speak it's name- that accursed board for graphical recreational interfaces was here.

>> No.16652044

ITT people believing ZUN cares about the opinions of...
...in the west
...from a Vietnamese spring roll puppeteer forum
...who pirate
...or buy

lamo ayying, the guy has done pretty much whatever the fuck he wants from day 1 till now. Piretes bitching won't stop that, piretes not bitching won't stop it either. Also since when did this become a platform for moralists, this isn't fucking Starwars, "no pay, no say". Ya right, like that ever stopped anyone from bitching. Take a stroll into the real world fucking flowers, everyone bitches about everything, always have done, always will do. Case in point: this entire fucking thread.

>> No.16652065

Why do you type like that?

>> No.16652071

Wow, you must be very jaded.

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Damn you, you guy. You can play PS4 games in a PC just as good as you can PC-98 games. (aka you can't, you need an emulator because the programs simply cannot be run natively)

Oh well, I guess it really wasn't necessary to have all that since the second paragraph of >>16651531 encompasses the truth of the matter just fine.

>> No.16652117

No, I simply wasn't mollycoddled until age 25. Nothing jaded about being real. Or do you honestly believe western players of touhou bitching have any sort of influence on ZUN? Do you believe that anybody could tell, let alone care, if the bitching was coming from pirates or legitimate buyers? Do you believe any of the arguing in this thread is going to stop pirates from bitching about their downloads in the future? Since you probably don't believe any of those things, you basically agree with me and in fact proving my point further by simply picking an argument for the sake of it.

Everyone bitches, especially in this place, and specifically on this board. The stupidity of bitching on moral grounds about bitching is really astounding.

>> No.16652134

You sure?

>> No.16652147

Thread about zun turning into incoherent autistic arguing, it is my favorite episode, everytime it gets a rerun a bit of me departs and goes to heaven.

>> No.16652155 [DELETED] 

Why are you quoting?

>> No.16652184

Rather than whining, there's a box you can check and a button you can push that opens up a form that lets you send a notification that certain shitty posts should be removed to preserve /jp/'s quality.

>> No.16652250

Claiming that somebody needs to earn the privilege of bitching about something is cancer. Complaining is more if an inalienable right.

I, too, subscriber to the "report all the posts you don't like" and "ban all autistic arguments" school of moderation.

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Now what might this be

>> No.16652396
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ZUN書き下ろし! 最新の東方公式書籍が登場

一体どんな記事が掲載されるのか? そもそも取材は行ったのか? 誰がスクープされてしまうのか……!

>> No.16652398


>> No.16652405

It's Bohemian Archive 2: Electric Boogaloo

>> No.16652412
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>* TH15.5 is a tag team battle game.
>* Release schedule and plans are well established.
>* Including Udonge, all characters from ULiL are back. 20-people class.
>* Aside from new characters, we'll dig deep into the current characters.
>* The 2-people 1-team system greatly affects the story.
>* The keyword "obsession" is very important.
>* ZUN says this time it's an aesthetic system.
>(Obsession means to deeply adore this world.
>Does that mean that the story is addictively amazing?)
>* More news to come before this year's Reitaisai.

>> No.16652422

Looking forward to the Junko article

>> No.16652454

ZUN writing down! The latest Touhou Project official book appeared

Author of the Toho Project Mr. ZUN's books he wrote down
Published for the first time in five years!

Tengu making noise in Gensokyo, Shameimari Aya made a weekly magazine this time!
Just what kind of articles will be published? Did she even bother to do any investigation first? Who will be scooped ......!
For humans, youkai, and all others, this book overflowing with humor, esprit and stimulus is one all Touhou fans must read.

Ever since they installed whatever their neural network magic is, Google Translate has gotten really good. Other than substituting proper nouns I could have left it alone completely.

>> No.16652458

I've noticed as well. I was a bit astounded when using it through VNR yesterday.

>> No.16652462



Touhou Bunraku, apparently

Like Touhou Bunkacou

>> No.16653327

I exclusively play the danmakus of a game pad and prefer it that way. So, no its actually pretty nice of gamepad, you should try it yourself.

>> No.16653349 [DELETED] 

ZUN "sold out" the moment he DCMA'd a high profile doujin fighting game in order for tasofro to corner the market.

>> No.16653374

It's extremely likely to be Touhou Bunka Shinpou.

>> No.16653388 [DELETED] 

He DMCA'd someone who didn't follow a very simple set of rules: don't seek funding from non-doujin sources. Literally anyone can make a Touhou fighting game. There are a more than a few out there.

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>> No.16653395 [DELETED] 

it's just a bait tho

>> No.16653572 [DELETED] 

I can't say my hopes are that high since the game is based off of HM/ULiL's gameplay to begin with.
That alone lowered my expectation's immediately.

>> No.16653604 [DELETED] 

Indeed. Couldn't they just do an improved hisoutensoku? I still play that game despite having abandoned HM.

>> No.16653793

So, we're getting Reisen and 5 more characters.
Really interested about the "digging deep into current characters", I don't want them to be around just to be recycled.

>> No.16654433

Bunka Chinpo?

>> No.16655080 [DELETED] 

Fuck off with your shit secondary game already.

>So, we're getting Reisen and 5 more characters.
I was half-expecting them to go the lazy route and only have four characters for AoCF (ULiL + 4 counting Reisen, since ULiL was HM + 4) so this is really fucking nice.

>"digging deep into current characters"
Although I don't think this will mean much in the long run. Given what we know of the plot, Nitori STILL has no reason to get involved at all, she just is (and that's just one character).

>> No.16655302 [DELETED] 

At the very least in ULiL you could explain her involvement by "trying to profit off the balls; but to transfer them you NEED to fight". HM was basically just nonsense, I think the reason was showing off or advertising but meh

This one, though; it seems that the bodyswap is entirely involuntary (I mean, Reimu/Mokou? Really?) so her being involved whether she wants to be or not makes sense.

>> No.16655351 [DELETED] 

>it seems that the bodyswap is entirely involuntary (I mean, Reimu/Mokou? Really?)
Seems? The Reisen chapter of ULiL made it pretty clear it was completely involuntary.
>so her being involved whether she wants to be or not makes sense.
But this is fair enough.

>> No.16655375 [DELETED] 

>The Reisen chapter of ULiL made it pretty clear it was completely involuntary.
Only in that instance. In the epilogue, it makes it sound like (as always) the people of Gensokyo just decided to get used to it and used it to their advantage to travel to other places.

It sounds like it might now be voluntary, at least to some extent.

>> No.16655407

Why is there a new fighting game so often nowadays? Feels like yesterday and forever ago since LoLK

>> No.16655440

ULiL and LoLK released around the same time, LoLK a bit later. ZUN has been focusing a lot on books, manga, and such so maybe that's why he hasn't made a new game yet. Tasofro basically does all the heavy lifting for these games, tho, so I could understand that choice.

>> No.16655559 [DELETED] 

I don't see many of the known characters being happy about all the teleportation shit, but you do have a strong point.

Nowadays? We've been getting a new fighting game every two years since HM.

>> No.16655846

I'm personally hoping for a Touhou collection for the PS4.

>> No.16655951

It's just osteoperosis, anon.

>> No.16656135

Unlikely. ZUN said he doesn't want to deal with consoles on his own, let alone port his old games.

>> No.16656719 [DELETED] 

>Fuck off with your shit secondary game already.
Wasn't the Soku guy and don't care for it either.
I just don't want another game based off of awful HM.
Please take your autistic "us vs. them" mentality back to >>>/v/, thank you.

>> No.16656747

Zun's becoming more and more lazy so shill out this to that shit tier company.

>> No.16656806 [DELETED] 

No one cares about your shit game either. Go back to the board you linked, I bet they love it there.

>> No.16656819 [DELETED] 

>No one cares about your shit game
You can't seriously think that this makes you of a better poster than anyone in this thread.

>> No.16658688

>Zun's becoming more and more lazy
ZUN has two kids to raise, a wife and three mangas to write.

>> No.16658757 [DELETED] 

As an old time Soku player, HM and above doesn't really cut it that well for me. I can't say I'm much of a fan of the floating thing, last words are often useless and to top it off drain all your popularity afterwards(in 13.5), you only get static 2 supers and all that shit. Decks(if you can call them that)got hardcore nerfed in 13.5 and then removed entirely in ULiL, which were actually a pretty good system in 12.3. Popularity was crap in 13.5 and would spoil perfectly good fights and lead to pop farming. The story mode, even on Lunatic, was a joke in terms of difficulty. To be fair, I didn't play past 13.5, since ULiL wouldn't work at all for me, wouldn't launch, period, but 13.5 just wasn't that great to me.

If you want more solid reasons less based on opinion, it was buggy as shit. Crashes, netplay issues(both connection and lag, the netcode seems to be fucking awful), the works. As many people have said, it was pretty incomplete on release.

Compare to 12.3 with better systems, more available comboability, a bigger roster, plenty of fan tools including frame rollback, etc., it's not hard to see that a lot more work was put into 12.3 in general. I don't hate 13.5(and assumedly the newer games as well since they appear to use most of the same shit), but it has(they have)a lot of glaring flaws that should be addressed.

I would probably address flaws in 14.5 as well, but since the game won't even fucking launch no matter what I do, apparently that's buggy as shit too. Go figure.

>> No.16659910 [DELETED] 

>As an old time Soku player
Come back when your "opinion" (read:soku shilling) is worth a damn.

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>As an old time Soku player

>> No.16660076 [DELETED] 

What is with these crossboarders and their
sentiment against Soku?

You aren't adding anything to discussion other than some sort of unexplained anger whenever it's brung up, you know that right?

>> No.16660125 [DELETED] 

What is with these crossboarders and their
sentiment towards Soku?

You aren't adding anything to discussion other than whining about how the new fighter is not Soku and that automatically makes it bad, you know that right?

>> No.16660131 [DELETED] 

Except one of those posts never even brought up Soku and another went into detail as to why they didn't like HM.

Can you please explain the problem calmly now without shitflinging? I just want a normal simple answer.

>> No.16660186 [DELETED] 

You should know if you've been around the fighter communities that you can't mention any of the other games or people get pissed off and have to prove you wrong.

Mizuumi's IAMP community fans that likes Soku broke away and formed a community on Rizon, since IAMP fans didn't like Soku. They've been flinging shit at eachother ever since. But this is only a solid example, there's plenty of opinionated assholes around in general.

It doesn't matter if you present your opinion in a reasonable fashion. If you don't agree with them, then you're wrong and fuck you. That's all it's ever been, and likely all it ever will be.

>> No.16660217 [DELETED] 

Sorry, but I honestly don't care about that. What I do know and care about is that /jp/ used have its own Soku threads for while before they mysteriously disappeared years ago and now recently whenever Soku's brung up, some obvious crossboarders sperg out.

Please don't bring in obnoxious shitflinglings from other cultures or communities, /jp/'s already suffering enough from idolshits and other generals.

>> No.16660253 [DELETED] 

Well, it does somewhat apply here, if you ask me. Those people are part of the fighter communities in general, and if they ran into a Soku or other Touhou fighter thread here, one would imagine they might participate; or, that they would give their opinionated opinion about it(that mainly being that your opinion is shit and your favorite game is bad), such as you're seeing.

But whether it's a result of other community players' giving out their opinionated opinions, ignorant noobs who don't know what they're talking about, or simply of shitposters who want to piss people off, the end result ends up being the same: the post quality has decreased. I get that. I was just giving my opinion pointing to the fact that the atmosphere is not conducive to having mature threads, as you've noted.

>> No.16660276 [DELETED] 

The thread's subject is AoCF, not Soku
If you wanna talk about how "superior" that game is then make your own thread

>> No.16660279 [DELETED] 

Congrats, it's still completely irrelevant to AoCF. Or maybe not, since AoCF is not going to be a 1:1 copy of Soku, which means it's going to be a bad game, end of story. We will never hear the end of it from you people.

Also I want you to explain why exactly the people that don't like what you like are "obvious crossboarders" and the ones that do like what you like are exempt from this slander. I can imagine the answer already but I want to hear it from the horse's mouth.

>> No.16660297 [DELETED] 

AoCF is, presumably, using the same engine as HM and ULiL, so disliking the other two games or finding them disappointments will factor into your expectations of AoCF.

>> No.16660300 [DELETED] 

Well I understand that but OP did say expectations and some people don't expect much from this game or just don't want more HM gameplay. There's nothing stopping anyone from having low or high ones, getting upset like >>16659910

whenever soku is brought up is the real problem.

And by obnoxious crossboarders I mean them specifically, they don't even try to hide that they aren't from here with words like shilling, shiftflinging or greenposting without adding anything, they just overall deteriorate discussion into rage based posting.

>> No.16660369 [DELETED] 

I don't think Soku itself is the problem, per se. I presented my argument about why I didn't like HM too much in a reasonable fashion, and used Soku mostly as a comparison to give examples and set a bar for quality to demonstrate how HM did not life up to it's predecessor in some aspects.

I also never went beyond the point of saying that anything gameplay-based I'd said was anything beyond my own opinion. Even if it's technically not the right thread for it, stopping people from talking about Soku doesn't really fix the problem, it's more like throwing a band-aid on it. It's some previous' posters opinions of "this post is bad, and you're wrong, now kill yourself" that is really the biggest problem. It's hard to have a mature discussion with people who aren't, and their attitudes will not only apply to Soku and other Touhou fighting games, but virtually anything and everything under the sun that the can(and will)try to argue about.

If you got a bunch of mature people together to talk reasonably about it, it would probably be fine. But since evidently not everybody here is, that's what we get.

>> No.16660384

I wouldn't call him lazy when he's trying to put a new game out every 2 years

>> No.16660385 [DELETED] 

"I'm not sure I'll like AoCF because I found HM and ULiL disappointing" =/= "The game is not literally Soku so it's bad"

Well that's too fucking bad. Might as well whine that Touhou as a whole is bad because Reimu is not pink or because the main games aren't FPSs.

>getting upset like [...] whenever soku is brought up is the real problem.
From my point of view, idiots like you (I think I'll start calling you "obnoxious crossboarders" because you don't like what I like) are the problem because you are trying to turn every goddamn thread about the new fighting games into a Soku fellatio contest.

Also I'd like to direct people to this >>16660276 post. Please read it before continuing this conversation.

>> No.16660610 [DELETED] 

>"The game is not literally Soku so it's bad"
That was honestly pathetic. Especially when barely anyone's been throwing that around.

Nobodies trying to turn anything into a Soku wankfest, people are simply saying they have low expectations for this game, did you want it to be a wankfest FOR AoCF instead?
If anything, I'd rather this just a Phantamasgoria game if it really has to be another multiplayer since I hate Tasofro.
>Well that's too fucking Might as well whine that Touhou as a whole is bad because Reimu is not pink or because the main games aren't FPSs.
When ZUN announced a new game, you wouldn't want it similar to ones you don't like either right, how is this any different?

Stop acting like a crybaby just because people have differing opinions.

>> No.16660693 [DELETED] 

>Especially when barely anyone's been throwing that around.
>Nobodies trying to turn anything into a Soku wankfest
I take it you haven't read the thread much.

>did you want it to be a wankfest FOR AoCF instead?
Why does it have to be a wankfest? Why does wanting you people to not fill the thread with "this game would be OH SO MUCH BETTER if it was literally Soku instead" instantly equate with me not wanting ANY negative opinions about the game whatsoever?

>how is this any different?
Lack of spam about how the game would be OH SO MUCH BETTER if it was literally EoSD or whatever.

>Stop acting like a crybaby
And this is coming from the guy throwing around the term "obnoxious crossboarders" because someone dared to tell him to fuck off with his kuso trash. Splendid, if I do say so myself.

>> No.16660932 [DELETED] 

I have read the thread and in my first post, I only said >>16653572. I didn't bring up Soku at all yet I was associated with it (twice) just for not liking HM/ULiL and not expecting much from a game based on it. Even then, one person even went into depth why they didn't like HM and yet just because they mentioned Soku at all you reduced their argument to just "not my Soku" just because of one reply to my first post.

Is that not the point of this "expectations" thread? Having high or low ones? Instead you're just associating peope having low ones with things and communities you don't like just to shut out criticisms. Which would, yes, be wanting this thread to be a wankfest.
You haven't even tried at all to defend HM/ULiL's gameplay or even ask what those people what they'd like to change while still keeping the spirit of the new gameplay. You (and by extent, the others) have been simply personally attacking the posters instead of their arguments just because you associated them with that game and its community instead.

How can I not treat you in a similar manner when you act like an obnoxious crossboarder who doesn't understand that you just can't take your culture and attitude wherever you go without respecting the mannerisms of another community?

>> No.16661034

Right lets move past this silly nonsense and maybe talk about the game. So do you think the pairings are going to be random like in ULiL's extra mode and if so will the switch timings also be random as well?

>> No.16661059 [DELETED] 

No one wants to talk to you, dipshit.

>> No.16661068 [DELETED] 

>Instead you're just associating peope having low ones with things and communities you don't like just to shut out criticisms.
Everything >>16660932 just said.

Get the fuck out.

>> No.16661080 [DELETED] 

I'm sure talking about the story mechanics will make for a few better thread than what it is now.

>> No.16661098 [DELETED] 

I really doubt it.

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>> No.16661119 [DELETED] 

At least talk about who do we think will return in this game?

>> No.16661143 [DELETED] 

Soku really was a mistake.

>> No.16661196 [DELETED] 

If people like it, so much so that other games pale in comparison, how could it be a mistake? Would you rather the overall quality of games be lower by removing the games people love and compare other games to? Would you remove Ocarina of Time so more people would like Skyward Sword, or remove Paper Mario TTYD so more people would like Sticker Star?

Being a fan of any of those latter games is perfectly fine of course, but wanting to remove what some people consider to be the best games of their series or subseries is selfish.

>> No.16661262 [DELETED] 

What a shitty analogy

>> No.16661276 [DELETED] 

How so? OoT and TTYD are both popular games, and Skyward Sword and Sticker Star still have their fans but are considered inferior to those that like the former games. Some people also lash out against OoT and TTYD and call them overrated, like what the anon in this thread is doing, though usually we only have to endure that shit on /v/. The anon admittedly goes farther than that, though, by claiming everyone who doesn't like ULiL has to be a Soku fanboy.

>> No.16661294 [DELETED] 

>How so?
They are not even fighting games or multiplayer

And don't come back

>> No.16661299 [DELETED] 

Am I being baited?

>> No.16661300 [DELETED] 

>They are not even fighting games or multiplayer
They're also not Touhou, not doujin games, and not produced by Tasofro, but maybe you could deign to explain how this cripples the analogy.

>> No.16661306 [DELETED] 

It's like comparing a table to an apple

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Tables and apples both come from trees.

>> No.16661363 [DELETED] 

Are you saying they are?

>> No.16661372 [DELETED] 

>Tables come from trees

>> No.16661383 [DELETED] 

Tables are made out of wood, sometimes, and wood comes from trees, so tables come from trees, sometimes.

>> No.16661391 [DELETED] 

Soku was shit

>> No.16661401 [DELETED] 

The quality of posts is extremely important to this community. Contributors are encouraged to provide high-quality images and informative comments.

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>> No.16661866 [DELETED] 

I like you, I want to take our relationship to the next level.

>> No.16662455

>So do you think the pairings are going to be random like in ULiL's extra mode
>and if so will the switch timings also be random as well?
Hopefully fucking not. That sounds like it'd be as annoying as possible.

>> No.16663247 [DELETED] 

>go to bed
>come back, half the thread is deleted

The fuck? I understand that the conversation wasn't heading anywhere useful, but it sort of feels like they're saying we're not allowed to have opinions.

>> No.16663315 [DELETED] 

Convenient shitposting aren't really opinions of any kind.

>> No.16663334 [DELETED] 

I mean, this is probably the 3st most cancerous board on the site, didn't think they would be so sensitive about it.

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>> No.16663376 [DELETED] 

I was the one who posted on why I didn't like HM, though, and extrapolated on it in detail. Why would my post get swept up in the flow?

I referenced soku but mostly as a quality marker for comparison purposes. My posts weren't shitposting in any manner.

>> No.16663384

pls let okuu be in it

>> No.16663403

She was a bit too overpowered in hisoutensoku and rightfully so, seeing her power, so i think it would be incoherent, with the power she is said to have, to have her in but nerfed, and it would be too game-breaking to have her in without any nerf.

>> No.16663416

She's overpowered in low level games. She gets her ass kicked in high level games. Tiers change a lot depending on the skill of the players.

>> No.16663518

But Raymoo is supposed to be an extremely powerful youkai exterminator and she is shit in hiso. I think the characters should all be about the same in terms of balance, despite their canon powerlevels, and the 'kuu is a great character with fun moves

>> No.16663650

In fact i think that her power in hisoutensoku is incoherent with her effective power to the point where certain characters are almost a direct upgrade to her. Those 2 types of power should be concealed while also keeping them balanced within the game, which is something difficult to achieve with a character like okuu

>> No.16663690

Stuff like this is easily handwaved though. Throw a line in one of the post-fight quotes suggesting that Satori asked Okuu not to go overboard and kill anyone while she was on the surface. Bam, done.

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>What are your expectations for it?

They already guaranteed that it's going to be garbage when they confirmed they're keeping the god-fucking-awful Smash ball system. The rest of it is pretty irrelevant.

Clownpiece is virtually guaranteed to be in it, I'd think. The characters really don't matter when the gameplay is AIDS though.

>> No.16663699

>She was a bit too overpowered in hisoutensoku


Okuu is an established low-mid tier character in Soku.

>> No.16663723

I meant in terms of damage output. Obviously she becomes generally weak with her mobility and ability to counter the opponent in a close fight. It's like giving stephen hawking an ak-47.

>> No.16663735

Given that the game focuses on pairs of fighters, the final boss is obviously Mima and Shinki.

>> No.16663746

If they're in the game they are probably gonna come in as hidden characters that just aren't playable at first, like remilia and yuyuko in IaMP.

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Wow, look at this thread.

This is what happens when you don't put a lid on them, people.

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There's 5 new characters so I bet on
2 New characters

>> No.16665305

I don't think I can ever understand the vitriolic hate people have for these games.

I only thought of HM as bad. Then again, I don't like fighting games.

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+2 New

>> No.16665339

>when they confirmed they're keeping the god-fucking-awful Smash ball system.
Except they never did that.

Why do Sokufags have to fucking lie?

>> No.16665524 [DELETED] 

Why do you people hate so much on ULiL? I'm not really fond of fightans so I don't know what's up. What's objectively wrong with it?

>> No.16665553 [DELETED] 

>Why do you people hate so much on ULiL?
It's not Soku, you see. Therefore it's the worst game ever made and nobody should play it.

>> No.16665668 [DELETED] 

Obviously ironic but it's actually true because the "field" mechanic is shit and it makes it way worse than soku, so jokes on you.

>> No.16665712 [DELETED] 

t. Chilean

>> No.16665772

I would be okay with this.

>> No.16665774 [DELETED] 

And there you go. Anyone else want to try to deny that it's Sokufags ruining threads for the newer fighting games?

>> No.16665817 [DELETED] 

>well he thinks the new games are shit so he must be a sokufag. What? Reasons why he thinks that? SOOOOKUUUUFAAAAG! Sorry i can't hear what you're saying.

>> No.16665835 [DELETED] 

>dude, tell him about the sokufags.
>well, seems like the sokufags found a new way to earn money.

>> No.16665838 [DELETED] 

I don't hate Soku necessarily, but the entire style of combat feels wrong to me. It's weird to be stuck in the air and always gravitate to the middle. It's like you're attached to an invisible tether. I haven't played much of ULiL admittedly, I stopped after beating all the story modes because the netplay is shit and I have nobody locally would would be willing to play something like this, but just the feel of the game was off to me. It's not a huge, deep analytical criticism, but if AoCF is like ULiL I can't see myself playing it for long unless the netcode improves.

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*I don't hate ULiL necessarily
The anti-soku anon is getting into my head, I apologize.

>> No.16665918 [DELETED] 

You could try reading the post the post you're replying to is replying to.

>> No.16665927 [DELETED] 

I have. And?

>> No.16665934

Sounds like he needs to hire a team of ZUNderes.

>> No.16666997 [DELETED] 

Controls are super floaty.

The bizarre gravity effect bringing you towards center point of the stage. This is both on the X and Y axis. I could understand neutral input resulting in a return to the Y=0 line but being pulled to X=0 makes no sense!

ULiL still has a lot of the flaws that HM had (but thankfully removed that god awful popularity system which just didn't work). The entire cutscene super attacks just provides YOU CAN'T ESCAPE situations. In Hisou or other fighters you can just block out and take chip damage (or at least reduced damage) but a cutscene attack is all or nothing. Which is kinda cheap.

The smash ball gimmick (Let's call the Occult Balls what they really are) is even MORE RNG than the card/deck mechanic in Hisou. This results in just stalling to get super.

The removal of ANY customization, which IMO was a huge thing making SWR and Hisou stand out is really regrettable. While HM really cut down on the customization it still let you tailor a character to have moves you liked or for ways you tended to play.

A lot of characters are STILL overly reliant on their character gimmicks to the point where you're not playing a character you're playing a gimmick. So you either really like the gimmick or you're going to just have to slog through it.

Of course with some gimmicks the AI knows how to use it far better than a person which results in Koishi being really cheap at times since she can do the attack queuing gimmick better than you.

Overall it's a really flawed game. Less flawed than HM overall but it threw out a bunch of decent ideas with the awful ones.

ULiL really felt like ZUN (or TASFRO) played Smash Brothers Brawl and wanted to have 2hu Brawl so he wanted the Occult Balls to be Smash balls .

AoCF feels similar but it was playing Marvel Vs Capcom with the entire focus on character swapping gimmick. It's likely to lead to extremely broken and unfun situations as I really don't fully expect them to implement it well.

>> No.16667202 [DELETED] 

Case in point: ULiL is not Soku, therefore it's a bad game.

I'm glad ZUN and Tasofro moved into this new fighter style, you fuckers don't deserve even the air you breathe.

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..and they shittalk sokufags. Didn't think a human being could be as retarded as this.

>> No.16667381

The final boss will be two characters? I guess that makes sense.

>> No.16667438 [DELETED] 

>ULiL is not Soku, therefore it's a bad game.
Anyone who summarizes good-faith arguments like this should be executed.

>> No.16667502

Fluffy Ellen


>> No.16667524

I WANT Seija, Sagume, and Clownpiece.

We'll probably get two new characters due to the pair gimmick, but I want Yuuka too.

I don't know what to expect except a fairly likely Clownpiece.

>> No.16667567

Broken game controls.

Rehashed characters to the point where people start complaining about the religious heads more than the characters from the first three Windows games.

>> No.16667597 [DELETED] 

Well, maybe if your argument couldn't be summed up like that, we could go somewhere. But there's no discussion to be had here, the game is not Soku, is not trying to be Soku and was never meant to be Soku.

Which is a capital offense, as you and your shitposter friends can't help but remind us constantly, even after getting half the thread deleted with your shit. ULiL is not Soku, so it's bad. AoCF is not going to be Soku, so it's going to be bad no matter what. Let's not even waste any time, tell me the reason why AoCF 2 will be bad as well.

>> No.16667670

I have no hopes for the roster whatsoever.

>> No.16667695 [DELETED] 

>Well, maybe if your argument couldn't be summed up like that
Any argument can be summed up in one dismissive sentence if you're willing to eat enough shit while doing so.

>> No.16667717 [DELETED] 

No, just your argument. Three guesses as to why.

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>fluffy Ellen

My man

>> No.16668152

Do we know who's doing the music? Akiyama Uni again?

>> No.16668182


You are really underestimating it. Remember fucking ponies?

It could become crazy popular. We'll see.

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I hope playable clownslut will do to her what it dit to Koishi.

Specifically mountains of porn.

>> No.16668851

As if there isn't enough already of nearly every Touhou character ever anyway. One trip to pixiv will show you that there's already plenty.

>> No.16668914

I don't believe I am. MLP is 1) an old franchise and 2) one of the few good/decent cartoons to come out in like a decade

The idiots who still watch cartoons and read comic books have very low bars. For Touhou to become CRAZY popular in the West...I don't know what it needs, nor do I really want to know. The main series will probably never be popular though. STGs are too difficult/

>> No.16668934

Imagine all the fine young touhou cosplayers ZUN gets to bang.

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I see it.

>> No.16669619

The difference is well drawn porn

>> No.16670204


I wish

>> No.16672895

What would be her reason, though? It already seemed kinda forced in PoFV, can't see what they even could come up with for her to be in the game, even though there are already characters like nitori in HM that have no apparent reason to be there anyway.

>> No.16672934

Antinomy of common FLOWERS?

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>What would be her reason, though?
>Antinomy of Common Flowers

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What if it's only a way to pander/delude to yuuka fans, though?

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I'm here to fap to that girl and her hot Aya's cosplay in the pic.

What's the thread about?

>> No.16672972

Anti-soku, "buy the fucking game" patricians, and Clownpiece.

>> No.16673000

Clownpussy is very fappeable.

>> No.16674010

Anybody know where else I can find the most recent(preferably)patch for 14.5? The official site claims it's busy and won't let me download.

>> No.16674030

I bet the cover silhouette will even look like Mima again!

>> No.16674239

Ten Desires was about spirits and didn't have Mima.

Hopeless Masquerade was about the various religions and didn't have Sanae (or any of the Moriya crew for that matter).

Urban Legend in Limbo was about the outside world and didn't have Sanae (for some FUCKING reason) or Raiko (the only other modern 2hu with a connection to the outside) or Nue (a fucking urban legend).

Don't get your hopes up.

>> No.16674735

I hope DDC gets more representation in the next game.

>> No.16674755

You mean Clownpiece, not Junko. She's more convenient for this role and has a manga now.
Also I wouldn't be so sure to make a connection between a game's concept and characters that seem thematically fitting for it. There was like two times when it was plausible for Zun to bring Mima back but no.

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>Ten Desires was about spirits and didn't have Mima.
What do you mean, she was right there.

>> No.16674973

That's what happens when you have a superiority complex and lose it, you become a stage 4 mid boss.

>> No.16674979


>> No.16675047

But you get the best doujin series there is. And then...KanColle happens.

>> No.16675339

No, I mean Junko. Clownpiece is going to be saved for GFW 2.

Sekibanki would be a great addition.

>> No.16675363

ZUN isn't too keen on reusing characters, if I recall correctly, so that's why Sanae wasn't in HM or ULiL. Reisen only reappears in the PS4 version of ULiL purely for the relation to LoLK.

Sanae's appeared in every mainline bullet hell since her debut with the exception of DDC (and even then, they gave an explanation for her absence there in WaHH), so I wouldn't really complain, anyway.

>> No.16675687

My point is that using the title and overall plot to determine which characters will get in is dumb.

>> No.16675770

Most probably Clownpiece or Junko, I personally want Orin, Youmu again, Yuuka, Kanako or Shou.

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No one hoping for S-tier (soku) perfect maid to join the ranks, im disappointed /jp/.

>> No.16687681

I want this.

>> No.16687775

1) I hate Sakuya.
2) She already appeared in the first series of fighters. Sure, so did Reisen, but Reisen's being pushed lately due to moon shit.

>> No.16688184

Fuck off, the only character from Soku that deserves a spot in the new fighting games is Sanae. Otherwise it should all be characters who never got a playable role before.

Yeah she can fuck off too. It really should have been Seiran or Ringo.

>> No.16688375

Sanae is shit dude.

>> No.16688459

Any new facts or just speculation?

Why would a shitty blazblue clone be in another bad fighter?

>> No.16688722
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Did someone mention tag team battle.
> reviving Imperishable Night pair mode or copy gameplay from other famous title (KOF and etc)

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"your ass must be this large to be playable"

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I just want Parsee playable in some way. Any game would be fine at this point.

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raymoo are all about armpit not ass

>> No.16691369

>Fluffy Ellen
my dude

>> No.16692756

Care if I ask for the explanation?

>> No.16692763

Why the hell Parsse would want to fight with other Touhous? She is the bridgekeeper of the Underworld, waiting for her lover o come back.

>> No.16693175

15.5 sounds like it has a setting where anyone could suddenly be brought into a fight at any time.

See: Mokou

>> No.16693269

She's jealous of the 2hus who are already in the fighting games.

>> No.16694307
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Fuck off. EOSD is the last cast that needs representation.

>> No.16694880

>drinking beer from a plastic cup

>> No.16694895

Who are you quoting?

>> No.16695252


ZUN's on this stream atm
Think anything about any new games are gonna get announced here?

>> No.16695306

No. It's a music-oriented talk event he was invited to with Beatmario and A-One members.

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what's my wife doing in a picture with that dude?

>> No.16696101

cosplaying as aya, are you blind

>> No.16696115

Is that a 2hu thing? Never got into it.

>> No.16697971

Gameplay needs to be like extreme versus

>> No.16709705

>Fluffy Ellen
>a copyright character from some forgotten manga
anon, do you want to sue ZUN?

>> No.16709711

I want yumeko, not that mememaid

>> No.16709755

>long lasting winter
>letty is the first boss

>a shitton of divine spirit
>yuyuko is now first boss

be realistic, possible that yuuka will appear but never ever as the final boss