Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1787

[Anonymous No.]

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>16554803

This thread is for the discussion and learning of Japanese with raw VNs, LNs and anime.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Let's have a nice thread by reporting and ignoring off-topic posts.
がんばってゆっくりしていってね！！！

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>>16579516
Yeah, I don't understand how Imabi has so many English errors. He actually says (or said) somewhere on his site that all of his lessons have been proof-read by his friends, so either his friends are all ESLs or they lied to him.

Whatever the case, it raises concerns that there are similar problems with his Japanese sentences.

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>>16579634
I'm certain that the japanese is much better. There's way less of it and (based on anecdotal evidence, his forum posts) when he was still in school he had japanese natives proofread it.

He does have a couple minor counterfactual statements however, ones that would have been resolved by peering into A Reference Grammar of Japanese, like saying that the -eru potential-not-passive forms are a recent innovation.

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RTK was a mistake.

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>>16579697
Yeah.

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>>16579682
>when he was still in school he had japanese natives proofread it.
Ah, well that's a bit more reassuring then. I just hope that they actually did proof-read it, unlike his friends who were supposed to... actually, come to think of it, maybe when I read that thing on his site about it being proof-read by his friends he was talking about Japanese friends proof-reading the Japanese sentences. That seems to make more sense since the English on his pages quite clearly hasn't been proof-read.

>like saying that the -eru potential-not-passive forms are a recent innovation.
Eh, I wouldn't really be bothered by errors like that. I don't think learning that would impede your understanding of the principle at all, and most people will probably forget it anyway.

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>>16579697
This. As soon as I dropped trying to do RTK and just started rote memorizing vocabulary words I learned a lot more kanji. もちろん、もっと勉強しなければならないけど

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>>16580084
>>16579700
Too bad I realized this after finishing it.

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>>16580093
Same problem I had with it? A bunch of random kanji memorized completely divorced from any actual reading ability?

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>>16580118
Pretty much yes. There are some occasions where it is helpful but I don't feel that the benefits are worth it given the amount of time required to get through it all (45 days), especially if you don't care about writing.

I guess I can be happy that I can write now and know the stroke order of must kanji by intuition.

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もちろん私はゲイ

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>>16580182
そうか

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How do you know when to use が or は o normally just guess based on context when I read.

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読める方法がありえないです

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>>16580226
Use が unless you can use は, then use は except when you shouldn't even though you can.

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After trying for a while, this is the best I can do:
>Since writing this manga
>regarding squid, my knowledge about the body (squid's bodies?) has followed along (increased as the manga has progressed?) little by little.
>That said, regarding the taste, [my knowledge] isn't detailed at all.
>Because I have a squid allergy.

How badly did I fuck this up? And how accurate/inaccurate were the interpretations in parentheses?

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>>16580226
This will probably stump you for a very long time. It's the same as trying to teach a Japanese person English articles (a vs the)

TopicはSubjectがInformationです。

This is an extremely common Japanese sentence construction, but you will almost never get a clear explanation what it even fucking means.

Topic = the general thing being discussed
Subject = something within the Topic
Information = some information about the Subject

So a typical starter sentence, 私は背が高いです。

Beginners learn this as "I am tall." but technically it's "As for me, my height is tall."

>アメリカはバーガーが多いです。
>As for America, there are many burgers.
Don't translate like this, I'm showing you literal translations to help you understand. In a professional translation this sentence would end up something like "There's a lot of burgers in America."

Outside of the TopicはSubjectが structure, はis generic information and が is new information.

Classic example of this:

鳥は飛ぶ。
Birds fly. (Birds, in general, fly.)
鳥が飛ぶ。
A bird flies. (There is a bird or birds flying and I want to tell you about them right now.)

There's more but this is probably enough for now.

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>>16580388
Since I started writing this manga
See: 身に付く
Can't become detailed (due to his allergy)

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>>16580396
この世には私がゲイです

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>>16580406
>身に付く
Ah, Jisho never threw up that word, nor did Rikaisama for some reason.

So, should it be:
>Since writing this manga
>regarding squid, my knowledge, little by little, has reached mastery.
>That said, regarding the taste, [my knowledge] isn't detailed at all.
>Because I have a squid allergy.

Though I'm not sure if the second line should maybe be like this instead:
>regarding squid, I've gradually acquired knowledge (about them).

I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of てくる is here though.

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>>16580388
"Since I began drawing this manga,
I've little by little become an expert concerning squid trivia.
However, I've no real understanding of their flavor.
I have a squid allergy, you see."

You're mostly there.

描く means to draw/illustrate, 書くmeans to write. (It's not that big a deal, but I think you relied on the furigana and didn't check the kanji.)

身につく means to master something, in this case 身 has nothing to do with the squid/bodies.

てform+くる means to come to something. It's a bit like a metaphorical use of coming/going verbs. イカを食べてきました would basically mean "I've started eating squid."

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>>16580454
Ah, I see, thanks.

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Daily reminder that when you guess a new card correctly in Anki, you should just delete the card and open up your precious time for studying cards you don't know.

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>>16580388
イカとみつどもえだったら

みつどもえのほうが

すきだったよ

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https://googlefonts.github.io/japanese/

The fonts on this page look really nice.

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>>16580678
Before I click, is this an actual google fonts for japanese, or is it just another page for Noto CJK?

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>>16580678
Cool. I hope Hanazono and Ume find there way on there. The IPA fonts would be nice too but everyone who cares knows about them.

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>>16579697
>>16580084
Honestly I only just started so I can't tell you if it's good or not but my experience with RTK hasn't been negative at all. I'm about 400 Kanji in and I have been doing 2k as well as working through Genki and the grammar guide. I really don't think the purpose of RTK is much more than simply recognizing and differentiating the Kanji. I find it's much easier to remember words I learn in my vocabulary deck if I already learned it in RTK and know the meaning. If it's really so bad why is it still the first entry in the resources for Kanji studying? Nethertheless I want to trust you guys and I'm currently switching to the The Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course because I really want to think that rote is not the only option. Would you guys say that is a better option or is it the same as RTK?

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>>16580716
Don't trust random people in the thread. I did RTK and it worked fine for its purpose, which is what you said. Switching to another kanji course is a waste of time, they accomplish the same thing.

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>>16580716
KKLC is better if you're learning with vocabulary. RTK is good if you have brain damage (literally) or if you have too little remaining time/stress to spend each day to deal with KKLC's higher amount of information.

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苦笑い

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>>16580736

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>>16580716
Just choose something and stick with it. If RTK is working for you then that's cool. RTK was just memed to death as The Only Way To Learn Kanji, and a lot of people get stuck on this step because it's a lot of work with nothing to show for it for a long time. As I stated earlier, I found I learned way more just rote memorizing real practical vocabulary until I just started being able to recognize and guess new kanji compounds.

The concept of RTK is great, and I used to be really into it, until I found myself stuck halfway through it frustrated because I couldn't functionally read/do anything with all the effort I was putting into it.

因みに、これを理解ちゃんなどの道具を付かずに読めない場合、君の意見は無駄と思う。日本語を読めない奴はよく喋るが、読めないなら読めない。漢字は基本的に丸暗記問題ですから、色んな助言があるけど、結局自習しかない。

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>>16579229
>Any sequel to this deck? I've seen 10k but I don't want to reset my progress.
You can import just the 4k remaining, the optimized deck in the guide even has numeration so you can delete the first 6000.
Or keep it as a separate deck, your choice. This way you don't have to deal with re-labeling and re-ordering all fields not to fuck up the importing.

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>>16580736
ワロタ

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>>16580226
Use が if the English sentence would use a "the" or "it", use は if you're talking about things in general. That's should work most of the time as a rule of thumb.

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>>16580226

One way to differentiate は and が when attached to the subject, is thinking of が as a focus marker. This is in *addition* to its behavior as a subject marker, not instead of it.

ジムがネコを食べた Jim is the one that ate the cat.

This kind of focus is similar to the role that "the" plays in english.

ネコは魚食べる Cats eat fish (in general).
ネコが魚食べる The cat eats fish (about a particular cat) (or sometimes "Cats are what eat fish.")

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>>16580716
Just do as you like really. If it works keep going, if not then try something else. It was 47 days

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>>16580716
Maybe it's not a negative experience, but can you honestly say that you wouldn't have achieved more if you'd spent that same time doing more core or reading another grammar guide?
For recognizing and differentiating the kanji all you really need is a few basic radicals. You do not "know the meaning" from studying rtk, what you memorise is a "keyword", which may or may not be relevant to the meaning that kanji represents in various words, and certainly shouldn't be the first thing that comes to mind when you begin to see that kanji in the wild. So ultimately, I can see 400 doses of rtk potentially being worthwhile depending on how many radicals he gives you in that time, but unless you've got some serious autism you probably won't find it worthwhile to take it to the end.

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>>16580847
付かず → 使わず though I guess that one's a typo
場合 → なら sounds better here
無駄と思う 無駄だと思う sounds better
ですから → だから you should be consistent in your formality

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your stupid homophone of the day
腐朽
不朽

[Anonymous No.]

>>16581587
もしよかったら、 チーズサンドをあげる

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>>16581587
馬鹿
御前

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Hi guys, I'll new to joining you in this thread I guess.

My company is going to be moving me to Tokyo in 6 months or so, and I don't know Japanese. This should be fun!

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>>16582059
>My company
komatsu?

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>>16582079
No, are they big in Tokyo? It's a US-based internet company.

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>>16582059
Learn English first, it'll be a much more useful skill and you can't learn it for shit in Nipland, according to our limited contact with the moon people.

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>>16582104
>I'll new to joining you
My sides. Apparently my brain sperged out and I combined two different sentences into one.

I do know English, it's my native language, believe it or not. Is English common enough to get by in Tokyo, at least at first?

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>>16582089
they were kinda big here in aus, i did some work for them

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>>16582332
Why were our posts deleted?

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>>16582340
>/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Your posts belong in /int/.

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>>16582360
Oops ok, thanks, sorry.

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聞き取りの練習のためにオススメの楽しいVNはない？

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>>16582426
主人公に声優があるエロゲがいいかもね
ユースティアとか
すば日々とか

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>暗記
my mind is blown

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>>16582446
ようやく理解してきましたね

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What's the difference here between him saying 座って見ろ and 座って見てろ like he says here?

Is like saying "sit down and (continue) watching" instead of just "sit down and watch"?

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>>16582426
何でもいいから、好みに選んで。But jdrama, as cringey as I find it, ends up being better listening practice because learning how to speak from animu is like learning how to speak English from Scooby Doo. You'll end up imitating exaggerated voice acting and sound pretty cringey/retarded.

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>>16582459
You're correct, 見ろ would be "watch" when you haven't started watching yet. The answer on /int/ is wrong.

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>>16582484

Thanks

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>>16580396
>>16581020
>>16581031
Okay does it matter the order its in?

しんはゆきこが好き
Shin likes yuki
しんがゆきは好き
Yuki likes shin

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>>16582723
*shin likes yukiko

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I hate hiragana so much
Why do they change Kanji words to hiragana?

なかきよの とおのねふりの みなめさめ なみのりふねの おとのよきかな

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>>16582763
かみのくがちょっとなんかいなんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

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Who has an access to the djt site? Everyone?
Since you all bash RTK, I guess we need to rewrite it and also some other areas.

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>>16582723
しんいちはらんが好き

らんもしんいちが好き

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>>16582910
It's just one anon, but you can send suggestions through the feedback form or the thread. There's also an offline archive so someone else can restore the site in case he decides to take it down for whatever reason (has happened before).
Anyway, the guide doesn't tell you to use RTK, it only mentions it as one among other options for those who wish to do individual kanji study.

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I saw ノークラブ in big kana on the windshield of an 80's Nissan 240. Any idea what it meant?

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My anki doesn't suspend cards i put the leech limit at 3 and pressed again to same card definitely more than that but it does suspend or leech it.

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>>16583288
Cards only get a failure mark if you press again during the review stage. It then goes into the relearn stage and subsequent Agains don't really count. So you'd need to fail the card today, tomorrow, the day after to reach your 3 failure leech limit.

Suspending leeches is also a silly idea.

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>>16583306
>Suspending leeches is also a silly idea.

Wrong. Leeches are wastes of time. If you haven't learned them by the time you fail them 7 times, you aren't going to learn them.

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>>16583365
>If you haven't learned them by the time you fail them 7 times, you aren't going to learn them.
Should we apply that loser mindset to everything learning Japanese?

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>>16583377
Rather than waste time attempting to learn a leech for the 8th time, I will learn a new word instead. If you have infinite time and motivation, then feel free to not suspend leeches.

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>>16583288
>3times
I think my deck would only consist of 20 non suspended cards if I did that lol.

Jokes aside there are 4-5 words I can't remember and probably failed a hundred times already.

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毎週書き取りをだいたい９年間、ネイティブの学習時間

ネイティブじゃないおにいちゃんが短期間で漢字を全部Ankiするのは

げんじつてきじゃないよ

でもかんたんな聴解だけなら短期間でできるよ

がんばれおにいちゃん

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>>16583306
>Suspending leeches is also a silly idea.
Please never post about anki.

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>>16583455
By all means quit when you feel a bit down.

Suspending something is pretty much declaring, "I am never going to be able to learn this word".

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>>16583493
No, suspending it frees up your time to use anki for one extra other word. Anki is clearly incredibly inefficient for that one word, so you should learn it outside of anki and free up lots of time for learning easier-to-remember words in anki earlier. Don't post about things you obviously haven't thought about.

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itt people are arguing about the best way to wank, some say their way is better, others argue that theirs is better

Maybe they need to understand that since both methods are deemed as the best by each side respectively, maybe it mustn't matter so, since both of them reach the same destination successesfully?

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>>16583493
>Suspending something is pretty much declaring, "I am never going to be able to learn this word".
Yeah, no.

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>>16583503

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>>16583497
>Don't post about things you obviously haven't thought about.
Perhaps you shouldn't post about things you've never done. All your theory crafting is great and all, but it amounts to nothing as you've quit whenever the going gets tough.

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>>16583513
Except I've done it and it works.

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>>16583519
By your own admission in earlier posts you quit.

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>>16583513
1) Spend weeks spending 10% of my anki time leeching on the same 40 cards
2) Get fed up, write them all down on paper and suspend them all
3) My retention skyrockets and stress from anki plummets
4) I remember the words better because my brain isn't trying to kill me
True story.

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>>16583524
No, I just learned better. Suspending leeches isn't quitting, it's moving on to learning them the proper way. Anki is not japanese, it's just a tool. It's not my fault you treat it as some kind of holy item, but don't project the consequences of that onto other people and give them bad advice.

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>>16583524
Is this the fabled "Anki Drone"?

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>>16583525
>2) Get fed up, write them all down on paper and suspend them all
> and suspend them all
Why was this a necessary step?

>3) My retention skyrockets and stress from anki plummets
Why would you care about your stats? Seriously. It's just a number.

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>>16583535
>Why was this a necessary step?
It saves time and has literally no downsides.
>Why would you care about your stats? Seriously. It's just a number.
Retention isn't "just a stat", it's literally the quality of your learning. Yes, I actually mean my retention, not how many times I get cards correct.

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>>16583535
>Why would you care about [retention]
Are you fucking serious? Stop posting about flashcards permanently. Fuck off.

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>>16583541
>has literally no downsides
[citation needed]

You wrote them down (an additional method to help you remember them) and then peaced out. I don't see why you need to quit alongside taking supplementary methods.

>Retention isn't "just a stat", it's literally the quality of your learning.
I read your post as your stats increased as you no longer had 40 failing cards in the mix, which really just screams stat worship and cowardice.

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>>16583552
>You wrote them down (an additional method to help you remember them) and then peaced out.
I never said I "then peaced out". This might surprise you, but people can actually study things outside of anki!

>I don't see why you need to quit alongside taking supplementary methods.
If I'm already studying the thing outside of anki, there's no reason for me to study the thing inside of anki as well. Anki is to retain large volumes of information. Leeches are not large in volume. It is more efficient to study information as small as a collection of leeches outside of anki than inside of anki, even if they're not leeches.

>I read your post as your stats increased as you no longer had 40 failing cards in the mix
Answers on leeches are not part of actual retention. That's what a leech is.

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How many Anki Core 'steps' do you do simultaneously? I'm doing 1 and 2 in parallel and making sure I learn all Kanji and vocabulary appearing on each card, not just the bold one its focusing on. I've learned something like 150 new Kanji in the last two weeks as a result, and a whole bunch of words, but idk if this approach is ideal for vocabulary

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>>16583564
What.

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>>16583564
Delete the step decks and get the Core 2000/6000 decks. Steps are a waste of time as they compartmentalise the words and make it much easier for you to cheat.

>I don't know this word, but it's from Step 2... so it's probably xyz.

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>>16583561
>I never said I "then peaced out"
Sorry. Let me rephrase:
>and suspend them all
Happy?

>If I'm already studying the thing outside of anki, there's no reason for me to study the thing inside of anki as well.
Anki acts as a refresher as much as a learning tool. Unless you're studying your leeches outside of anki regularly, you'd be far better suited to keeping the cards alive so you get reminders every now and then.

>Answers on leeches are not part of actual retention. That's what a leech is.
I don't see anything in the manual that says leeches don't count towards the stats.

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>>16583590
>Anki acts as a refresher as much as a learning tool. Unless you're studying your leeches outside of anki regularly, you'd be far better suited to keeping the cards alive so you get reminders every now and then.
I do this thing called "reading" and therefore anki is not necessary to refresh my understanding of basic vocabulary. Do you use anki for basic vocabulary in your native language? No? And I don't use anki for basic vocabulary in japanese.

>I don't see anything in the manual that says leeches don't count towards the stats.
Anki does not have a retention stat. To check my retention I generate a graph based on SQL statements, thanks, it's not even a number.

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>>16583570
FFFFFFFFFFFFFfffff-

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>>16583609
Take it easy, learning japanese "properly" is hard in part because there's so much conflicting information out there. Just like learn japanese.

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>>16583610
Aye, I see where you're coming from, thought I was being smart by using the popular decks on the Anki site, and just dealing with the obvious issues. I'll switch over today and see how it goes, thanks for the advice

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>>16583598
>And I don't use anki for basic vocabulary in japanese.
So you failed basic vocabulary enough for it to become a leech and then rage quit? Sorry, I figured if it was something you were failing enough to become a leech it'd be something a bit more unusual or rare.

>Anki does not have a retention stat.
It does have correct answer stats, mature stats and the like. That is what I thought you were judging it on.

>To check my retention I generate a graph based on SQL statements
Picture please. Sounds interesting.

You can also drop the holier than thou act. You're coming off as a complete twat.

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>>16583621
While you're here, remember that your goal in using anki is to start consuming easy material so that you can really acquire basic japanese. A lot of people forget that, and memorize things without consuming any japanese for quite a while, then go "wtf?" when they can't even read.

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>>16583626
>So you failed basic vocabulary enough for it to become a leech and then rage quit?
Yeah, basically. Something like 80% of my leeches are in common vocabulary. I don't really know any.

>It does have correct answer stats, mature stats and the like. That is what I thought you were judging it on.
No, I was talking about my actual retention.

>Picture please. Sounds interesting.
I'm not at my main computer right now, but someone did something similar a long time ago and it's what inspired me: http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/141543953/#141583429

>You can also drop the holier than thou act.
Why would I do that?

>You're coming off as a complete twat.
And you weren't?

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>>16583637
>I don't really know any.
I don't really know why*

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>>16583564
>I learn all Kanji and vocabulary appearing on each card, not just the bold one its focusing on. I've learned something like 150 new Kanji in the last two weeks as a result
You might be better off stopping that. Most words used in sentences have their own card later in the decks.

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>>16583630
Yeah, I've been trying to squeeze as much as I could out of what I was doing before - writing everything + variations on them as I picked up new grammar, learning every Kanji I saw with reading in context of sentence, that kinda thing. Definitely worked for the grammar practise and Kanji, but now you mention compartmentalizing words I can really see that

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>>16583643
>but now you mention compartmentalizing words I can really see that
That was someone else, I'm just trying to help you too.

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>>16583646
I appreciate it!

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>>16583637
>Link
Cheers.

>And you weren't?
I was keeping it real.

I view suspending as giving up. My mind won't change on that subject, so meh.

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>>16583656
Cool. Peace.

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https://youtu.be/MCmEG7T22Wk

Should I trust him bros?

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i learned japanese, why do i still feel like shit

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>>16583671
not enough porn

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さくらが

くるよ

おにいちゃんも

きっとくるよね
http://sakura.weathermap.jp/smt/

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>not studying kanji individually

Good luck on your recall and production.

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dare i say... its getting a little easier to read

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>>16583727
don't need it, it's going fine

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>>16583727
By kanji you mean individual lines for them or kanji and its key word?
If 2nd, sauce me up on a good deck for anki pls.

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>>16583737
Haha y-yeah

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>>16583727
>production.

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>>16583750
、の、

なんだろう、の、ってあたしにはよめないよ

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>>16583748
>kanji and its key word?
If I'm understanding this post correctly give the Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course anki deck a look.

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Last time I was able to study Japanese which was about a year and a half ago I managed to complete the Core2k, now that I'm able to spend time on it again I feel like I should pick up where I left off.

The problem I have is that going slowly over the 2k again feels like it would take too long to make progress, but if I just slammed out hundreds a day to all 2k in a day I'd get burnt out by having way to many reviews for the next couple weeks and spend hours in Anki.

I'm not quite sure on the best way to approach this.
Any ideas?

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>>16583838
You could try setting the easy interval on new cards to something like 10+ days. That'd give you room to breathe on cards you remember straight away. You could also adjust the interval modifier on reviews.

These two adjustments should hopefully blow out the scheduled review dates on your cards allowing you to power through the deck without getting completely swamped by reviews.

Once you're all sorted you can return the settings to normal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16583863
Ah good point, I generally avoided messing with those before as I really didn't know how they worked, easy interval is straight forward but I guess I'll look into the interval modifier.

If I can figure it out something like 200~500"new" a day seems reasonable if they spread out the reviews a little more till I get back my rhythm.

Assuming you know a good way to play with the interval modifier, any suggestions based on the above number of "new" to go with off the top of your head?

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

わらっているおにいちゃんが

すき

[Anonymous No.]

>>16583914
Thats kinda cute

[Anonymous No.]

でも死んでいるいもうとちの方ゃんがもっと好き。

[Anonymous No.]

>>16583922
隙のこと

[Anonymous No.]

>>16583964
あいあむぼす

すごいすきだらけだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16583914
お前はスコップな

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best way to learn counters? Should I add them to my mining deck just like words when I encounter them?

I just came across 丁 but since it can be used for so many different objects it seems like it would be very hard to remember them all.

How do you guys go about it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584132
Basically they don't even matter unless you see them so often that you learn them through exposure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584132
The answer to this and most other questions is the same: By reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584137
I would still add them to my mining deck just to remember how they are pronounced

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>確かに言われてみれば、辺りの倒壊しかけている建物は住居のように見えなくもない。
>見えなくもない
I know this means they look like it because of the double negative, but what is the nuance vs just writing 見える?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584250
Your posts are bad and you should stop posting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584259
My posts are only the best (worst) and I will continue to post for the forseeable future (forever).

[Anonymous No.]

Did that lad ever start a discord channel or was it just hot air

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584265
I recommend you to never step back here ever again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584270
This.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584270
*unsheates katana*
M'lady

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584271
Don't ever fucking respond to me again assface.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584276
This.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584270
>Not wanting to practice your pronunciation with kind anons
It'll save you from embarrassment in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584257
見えなくもない ≒ なんとか見える

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

This is a dumb question, but bare with me.
How do I learn Japanese/a second language? Is it really just memorizing what all the words mean, or am I attaching certain concepts and thoughts to various kana...?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584283
Sounds like an IQ problem, sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584289
嗚呼、有難う御座います

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584292
We have a guide holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584292
>How do I learn Japanese
By reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584321
Anybody who can learn a language successfully knows that the guide is garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584324
It answers his question correctly. It tells him to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584325
How can he read if he doesn't know the language, retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584326
By reading it, obviously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584326
>>16584327

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584327 (Successfully learnt Japanese)

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584331
It's true, I'm enjoying Prisma Illya in the raw, right now!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584332
Pretty pictures =/= reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>16583008
Where might that offline archive be anon? I cannot access the site atm unfortunately. It gives me a connection timed out error.

[Anonymous No.]

DJT why you gotta be so shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584337
https://github.com/postautistic/djt/archive/master.zip
Contains the entire site except the contents of external links.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584339
>nsahub.com
Uh... Nope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584348
Just use a VPN if you're literally paranoid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584350
I don't want to support this website by visiting it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584352
You're leeching from it, not supporting it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584332
>I'm enjoying Prisma Illya in the raw

Yeah I wish I could enjoy Illya raw too...

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584322
But how do I go about learning to read it?
At least with languages like French and Spanish there are roman letter for me to go off of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584354
Just read!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584356
You start with less so it's harder to get started, but once you recognize common words (you don't even have to know what they mean yet, just know that they're common) and you can sound out the kana, picking up a sufficiently simple manga that has furigana is enough to keep you going, even if you get too mad to study.

Aside from that, you can study words and grammar outside of reading to make them easier to pick apart, but you only actually acquire them when you see them while reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584353
Upload it to some better site if you want people to access it.
>You're leeching from it, not supporting it.
I'm definitely making it more popular, by which I am supporting it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584365
It's not mine, dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584365
Would it still exist if you stopped using it

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584366
Where did I say otherwise?
>>16584371
>Would it still exist if you never started using it
Yes, that's more than likely.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584339
Thanks a lot anon!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16583497
I wish I could compare my retention before and after I started on my meds, but only thing my before data shows is that I could never stick to routines.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584250
You forgot the part when people are already reading comfortably, but can't write kanji for shit, going all the way back to RTK or something like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584537
That's literally me, I can identify and read ezpz, but cant write for shit, what is the best way now for me to restudy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584537
Sure, but then you already know (enough) japanese, you just don't know how to write.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584558
- Study radicals and their stroke order;
- Study kanji by kanji with two things in mind: How to write it, what is its general meaning.

If you want to attach mnemonics to remember radicals and whatnot, fine, but since you're already familiar with it, maybe it's not necessary.

I am not there yet, I'll probably also try to make groups of similar kanji, studying the difference between them can help. Specially then this difference makes sense, like in 描 / 猫

>>16584566
Enough to enter that pretty temple? I guess not!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584584
>Enough to enter that pretty temple?
Yeah, not being able to handwrite doesn't mean you don't know japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584584
>I am not there yet
Then don't give advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584584
U have any decks to rec on learning kanjis with their key meanings on anki? That would really help me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584602
The person you're taking advice from doesn't know enough about what they're doing to help you. Come back for help again later or try somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.]

この自閉症はどうしたもん

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584602
Get the Anki RTK deck, should be enough.

>>16584595
>>16584609
I have an idea: why don't YOU refrain from giving "advice"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584647
>I have an idea: why don't YOU refrain from giving "advice"?
I have a better idea: Stop posting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584652

[Anonymous No.]

>>16583510
What level are Higurashi and Umineko?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584701
They're level "bad writing that you don't want to read".

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584688
Going to the gym and changing your diet are actually terrible advice for gaining muscle.

Gyms are for shedding weight and maintaining muscle, otherwise you're not going to have the motivation to use them.

Diet only affects your health, not your muscles, unless you simply don't consume enough protein and don't consume the necessary carbohydrates to not starve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584701
>>16584706
But if you're serious, then games of that sort are usually between 3~5. I say usually because there are exceptions that are easier since they reuse the same vocab and stick to relatively simple grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584716
Spotted the WaniKani user.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584706

Where do you think shounen like One Piece fall within that chart?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584729
Wanikani is bad and calling me a user is basically insulting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584730
I haven't read any but I assume that they would be near 2. However shounen have full furigana and are therefore marginally easier if you're not looking up every single word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584706
>>16584724
Of course I'm serious, I'd like to re-read them in Japanese sometime. But I also saw someone in a past thread say that RK07's games are full of incorrect grammar and will reinforce bad habits if you read them as a beginner. Is that actually true or just hyperbole? Am I safe if I've already read a few other VNs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584763
They're not full of... "incorrect grammar", as such. Though I can see why people might say that. He just has bad prose.

Also, his games use logical gymnastics (as a matter of bad writing, not a matter of coolness) that, if you don't actually understand japanese grammar, will make you think you misunderstood something that you didn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw you forget to do anki
No perfect streak for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584773

[Anonymous No.]

What the heck is 言ってらんない supposed to mean?

Full sentence for context:
>まぁ忙しいけど今が稼ぎ時なんで贅沢いってらんないっスよー

I can understand the first half...
>Well, it's busy but we're making mad bank right now so

But the ending has me totally stumped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584773
I was like that in the beginning. It's been over a year since I last skipped an Anki day, now. I'll never get those 19 days back, but I couldn't give a fuck, I deserve all the stains in my curriculum just as much as I deserve the merits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584716
How can one person have so little clue what he's talking about? This is almost as bad as people unironically recommending starting out with romaji.

Gyms are for exercising. You need to exercise to gain muscle. Everyone who is serious about bodybuilding and not rich enough to afford a home gym goes to the gym. Going to the gym for weightloss is far more questionable, since there's tons of more cost efficient activities if you're just looking to burn calories.

Watching your diet is also completely essential for building muscle, because you need a calorie surplus to consistently gain mass, but you also want to periodically adjust your diet for losing fat if you want to look muscular. And the average person's diet definitely doesn't have the optimal balance of macronutrients for building muscle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584773
Don't worry, I'm here to make you all feel better about yourselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584584
>I am not there yet, I'll probably also try to make groups of similar kanji, studying the difference between them can help.
Why are you giving advice that you literally don't even know whether it's good or not? Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16584791
It's just いられない.
"... so we can't indulge in luxury (luxury to take a break)."

[Anonymous No.]

What the actual fuck is she trying to say here?

Context is this chick is raping a dude. I get the part that today is a day she can get pregnant, but other than that, I have no idea what she's trying to say

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585206
The two parts in particular I'm asking about are

>俺ェ、じゃなかった私
>The entire second speech bubble

[Anonymous No.]

感情とは複雑なものです

>Emotions are complex things

Why is the と necessary here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585359
Retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585359
Some particular emotion or group of emotions
Emotions in general

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585134
Why are you even browsing DJT if you need reliable, fluent speakers' advice? What makes you think everyone posting "advice" here is proficient and I'm the only one giving advice above my own league?

Besides, you filthy, dimwitted monoglot, I have already done what I preach for some specific kanji that troubled me.
Examples like 猫描 or 待持 can easily be clarified by a radical analysis that is not needed when you just infer them from context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585429
Nothing you just said justifies the fact that you yourself are giving advice that you know hasn't been seen through to completion. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585429
Giving wrong advice is worse than giving no advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585438
>>16585449
Nice dodging skills. Debunking something without offering a replacement is even less productive. Get off DJT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585476
No replacement is necessary because not having any advice is literally better than having your advice.

You don't belong here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585476
>Debunking something without offering a replacement is even less productive
Wrong, actually. Pointing out idiots is helpful to the questing asker so they don't go on believing in misconceptions for months. Just shut up and learn Japanese yourself instead of sabotaging other people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585206
>>16585221
I have no idea what manga this is but it sounds like they're trying to convince whoever they're talking to that they're a girl so I take it it's a trap.
First bubble is them correcting themselves from a masculine pronoun (ore) to feminine (watashi). And that today is their "dangerous day" (ovulation).
Second bubble "I looked it up on runa*na" I assume that is runaruna which is a site for girls to check what days they ovulate.

[Anonymous No.]

Where does the いざ in いざという時, いざとなったら come from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585641
Retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585647
Maybe try not responding to someone if you're going to tell them something they literally can't not know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585527
>a site for girls to check what days they ovulate.

Japan never ceases to amaze me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585647
Not what I'm asking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585484
>>16585487
You haven't pointed a single downside to the method I've proposed, which is not even anything absurd or out of the box, just what you'd usually expect people to do if they read the guide.
I speak 3 languages other than Japanese and am pretty confident in my advice, which I have already used partially to my own learning process with positive effects.

But that's okay, you don't have to address the discussion points or answer my questions if you don't want to, it's not like you're posting anything rationally and I won't force you to leave your comfort zone. DJT is, after all, also an important asylum for people with your condition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585527
>convince whoever they're talking to that they're a girl so I take it it's a trap

No, the girl has been fucking the dude for a while now, so there's no reason why she would choose to now correct her pronoun.

Manga is an H manga called "[Kurodou Holdings "Kabu" (Kurodou Katana)] Omae no Iu Koto Nanka Kikumonka!"

Honestly I don't know where I found it or why I have it, but I stumbled across it early today while I was cleaning my computer out.

Here's the full page.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585700
What are they doing on this image?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585717
>完全脱出不可能全自動子作りバースターおんぶバーション
>The unescapable completely automatic baby making making machine: Piggyback Version

I think it should be obvious.

>Kid on on her back doesn't want to fuck
>she wants to fuck
>She did this

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585695
>You haven't pointed a single downside to the method I've proposed
Misinformation. Do you have brain damage?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585641
Check the Japanese definition of いざ; it's not literally "now".

相手を誘って一緒に事を始めるときや思いきって行動しようとするときに発する語。さあ。どれ。「いざ、出かけよう」

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585795
You forgot a bubble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585799
I was going to respond with "DIY" but decided against it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585772
Okay, nigger, you win. Enjoy your autism.
I'm off to the language learning DJT. Frolic in your own shit all you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585821
You are hereby banished from this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm doing Kanji studying right now (aside from vocabulary and grammar studying) and I'd like to know if it makes sense to remember the main onYomi reading. I realize it is futile to learn all readings and I'm hoping to pick up most of them through vocabulary but I'd still like to at least somewhat associate one reading with each Kanji and I'm just wondering if it's the onYomi one that I'm best off remembering. Or maybe there is a tool or something that lets me determine which reading is used the most?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585942
Nope. Learn the readings from vocabulary, no exceptions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585948
How about this: I create a vocabulary deck that has the main reading packed in a word. That way I combine the main reading and I learn vocabulary. Does that approach make more sense?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585952
No.
http://jisho.org/search/%E5%9B%9E%20%23kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585952
What do you mean? What I'm suggesting is: instead of deliberately telling yourself that 実 = じつ, you learn the words 果実, 真実, 実力, etc., by which you'll instinctively learn to associate the kanji 実 with the reading じつ. Learning readings separately is a huge waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

How should one split their time between anki and reading?

Been reading VN with the vnr hooker lately, but for like a year I mostly used other ways to learn kanji/vocab with no reading and I'm having a hard time balancing now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585976
Anki is always a set time, there is no splitting. Stick to 20 new cards a day and do however much it takes to clear that + reviews. Then the rest of the day reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585955
What is your point?

>>16585961
Right. I don't want to tell me 実 = じつ because I realize that approach might not be so efficient. What I want to do is when I come upon 実 as an example in my Kanji studies I will create an entry in my vocabulary deck for 果実. After I am finished studying Kanji I will have over 2000 vocabulary entries with the main readings. Now the question is whether doing that makes sense or if a better approach would be to just mine 2k and then start reading. Completely disregarding reading while Kanji learning seems to be the RTK approach which more or less results in you not being able to read anything at all. I am already studying vocabulary and grammar but when I finish with my Kanji studies I'd like to at least have a word with the main (or just one) reading in my head if that makes sense, so all the Kanji are not just keywords to me like in RTK but actual words that I can draw reference to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585942
If you are going to hear something in your head when you read a kanji without knowing what word it's in, then it might as well be the most common onyomi, since that's least likely to cause any kind of confusion or disruption.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585994
You are right about that but I revised my thought in the previous post.
>>16585983

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585952
If you insist on learning readings, do so with KKLC, because it forces you to learn the readings in the context of words. Readings are parts of words, not parts of kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

What's with Japanese onomatopoeia? It's like they hear things on a whole other dimension

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586135
https://www.academia.edu/1470397/On_Japanese_Mimetic_Echo_Words

[Anonymous No.]

How can there be no scans of volumes 3-5 of 終末なにしてますか? 忙しいですか? 救ってもらっていいですか? anywhere on the internet? Do they just not exist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586348
The same reason there aren't for hundreds of other LN series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586348
People don't really pirate genre fiction that often.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586359
>>16586361
You'd think for the really popular and good ones like this, there would be though.
Where's the best place I can buy them with my foreign credit card? Amazon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586382
Amazon is the best yeah. Also you just missed their sale, all the volumes were reduced to like 200 yen each.

[Anonymous No.]

Just a little ecchi haiku (*´ω`*　)

混浴で
耽る妄想
谷間チラ

Anyone want to have a go at writing one too?
Remember: 5-7-5

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586463
わんわんだ
わんわんわんだ
わんわんだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586463
古池や
蛙飛びこむ
水の音

Don't plagiarize please.

[Anonymous No.]

妹と
極度の至福
避妊漏れ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586135
くぱぁ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586463
I call it, The Feeling of Working in a Group

あああああ
ああああああああ
あああああ

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone help me translate this message? It seems I need to input the write Number/Words to get past this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586831
Why would you need to translate that? It's pretty basic Japanese, you should be able to understand it without a translation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586844
I don't study. Hope that answers that question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586831
主人公の名前を入力してください。
（全角4文字以内）

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586852
>>>/wsr/

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586855
Just a quick translation is all.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone please explain exactly what 「反省ちぅ」 means?

I obviously understand the 反省 part, but this seems to be some sort of colloquialism that I'm having trouble finding a clear definition for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586871
>If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586886
Posting the full sentence would help, but I would guess という.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586889
I am requesting a translation. This is from an Eroge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586893
It's not a sentence. It's a sign and that's the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586897
>or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586904
All it takes is a quick summery. That's all I ask. Is it too much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586886
chi-lu is an orthographic variant of chi-lyu

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586914
Yes. Ask for something more specific or don't ask,

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586914
>this is not the thread for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586917
If you can't translate just say so. I'll ask someone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586923
It's not that we can't translate, but this is not the place for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586925
Can you direct me to somewhere suitable than?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586934
You were already directed to one.

[Anonymous No.]

Can I configure anki to jumble the order of my reviews? At present they're given to me from oldest to newest; I'd prefer if it were purely random.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16587034
Unfortunately no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586886
>>16586900
Maybe 注?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586886
中
反省中
But kind of cutesy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586463
カズヤ君
救いは無いね！？
やっぱりな

[Anonymous No.]

魑魅魍魎

Literally indistinguishable

[Anonymous No.]

>>16587886
Good thing you only need to know the second one, then.

[Anonymous No.]

how am i supposed to read kanji on my monitor?

>>16587886
this looks impossible to read even if i knew the characters.

[Anonymous No.]

I tried reading some manga (Umaru and Keijo) even though I've only reached the を, に, and へ particles in Tae Kim, and I can't understand 90% of what I'm reading. Is it normal at this stage or I'm just retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16587958
You get used to it. Knowing the words you're reading also helps, of course.

>>16587971
>Is it normal at this stage
Of course. You basically don't know anything yet. I'd suggest finishing Tae Kim at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16587971
>I've only reached the を, に, and へ particles in Tae Kim

You should be fluent already.

[Anonymous No.]

欹てる
Just unearthed a nice kanji for my DJT friends. どうぞ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16586463
柿食えば
鐘が鳴るなり
法隆寺

[Anonymous No.]

>>16588168
She's great but I think we can agree who best girl is.

[Anonymous No.]

i just found out there was a workbook section for reading and writing in genki I (after getting to chapter 11)

time to scribble

[Anonymous No.]

>>16588480
>かばん
F.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16588480
Spoiler this shit anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>16588480
口語表現はテストのひょうげんとはちがうけど、口語もききとれなきゃいつまでたってもDekinaiよ

１．時計は５万弱
２．バッグは５千ちょい
３．山中はだいたい６時起き
４．川口は７時から大学
５．鈴木は０時には寝ている
６．あそこのカフェの１８０円のコーヒー○○さんとこのあいだ行ったんだけど、すっごくおいしそうだったよ
６．たまにサ店でコーヒー、ワンコインで

[Anonymous No.]

how would you say something had two heads, is that a counter or just like 二頭の鬼がコーヒーをのこのこに飲むだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16588778
わかんない

[Anonymous No.]

>>16588680
interesting, thanks for the info

>>16588508
>>16588658

[Anonymous No.]

>>16588942
答えなさい

[Anonymous No.]

>>16588778
Wikipedia calls Cerberus 三つの頭を持つ犬

[Anonymous No.]

>>16588778
双頭.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16588964
>>16588965
ah thanks, this is crucial

[Anonymous No.]

>>16588959
しゃべりはぜんぜんちがうから
テストにはでないけど、にほんにきたらつかってね

１．金曜日はにほんじんのおともだちといっしょだったの
２．土曜日は１０時半におきたの
３．月曜日にお寺にお参りしたの
４．本が机の上にあるでしょ、その下に新聞ない？

おとこことばでかくと
１．金曜？友達と飯くった、日本人の
２．土曜日は十時半起き
３．寺行った、月曜
４．新聞紙、そこの机の上の本の下

４みたいな言い方されるとちょっとむかつくよ

[Anonymous No.]

I'm going to be without a working computer or internet connection for most of today. I don't have a smartphone either.

What can I do to study Japanese in that time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589022
Why won't you have a working computer?

If you don't have any physical media you're screwed

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589035
Because I'm going to be spending the day fixing it.

And yeah, that's what I thought. I can't think of anything I can do to practice or study without a computer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589044
Time to get a Kindle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589044
Don't get a kindle, get a normal android tablet, kindles run a gimped OS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589053
>tablet
>OS
Good job on entirely missing the point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589061
Yes, your tablet runs an OS, and yes, what OS it is *does* matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589044
Then fix your computer and continue studying with that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589113
I think it's going to take me the best part of a day, and a lot of that time is going to be spent sitting around waiting for things to install or download, so I was hoping to have some way of studying Japanese which I could use to fill all the waiting time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589120
You could, like, buy some manga.

[Anonymous No.]

しょう５こくご

おにいちゃん

れっつとらい
http://happylilac.net/kanjiQ5.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589132
１０このうち９こはすぐわかったんだけど

いっこ、ちょっとむずかしいかも

[Anonymous No.]

>まぁ、三ヶ月くらいどうって事はないか。
I'm not sure I get this sentence or what the どうって means here. I know the って is the quotation one but the meaning doesn't come to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589065
Not him, but that wasn't his point. A Kindle can't be substituted by a tablet because they don't have e-ink screens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589211
e-ink isn't a real technology.

[Anonymous No.]

So I'm going to take the N1 this summer, despite the fact my level is way above that joke of a test because apparently I need a piece of paper proving I actually know Japanese. Sad! Arigatou for reading my nikki-chou

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589211
e-ink is worse, not better, than high resolution LCDs.

And nobody here asked for e-ink.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589234
>e-ink is worse
False. It sounds like you're just a poorfag who regrets his trashy tablet purchase and never actually read on an ereader.
>And nobody here asked for e-ink.
Nobody asked for a waste of money either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589244
>False.
I hope you enjoy monochrome images and ghosting.
>It sounds like you're just a poorfag who regrets his trashy tablet purchase and never actually read on an ereader.
e-ink tablets are literally cheaper where I live.

>Nobody asked for a waste of money either.
Kindles have a gimped OS and are basically only usable for reading. Also, not all kindles have e-ink screens.

Go shitpost about your favorite technology somewhere else. This is 100% the wrong place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589259
>images
Oh, so you're not even at the level where you can actually read books.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589244
>False.
True. e-ink panel update times are awful and e-ink displays can't color. A sufficiently high resolution LCD is better (even for display contrast ratio) in terms of everything but battery life, and "fixing his computer inside in his house" is entirely not a relevant situation for battery life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589271
This might surprise you but "image" doesn't mean to "image files".

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589203
>どうって事はない
Synonymous to 大したことはない

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589259
>monochrome images and ghosting
Nice buzzwords that have zero impact on actual use of the product.
>and are basically only usable for reading
That's the point? Not everyone is underage and wants games and other clutter on something strictly inferior to a computer/laptop.
>>16589272
>color
>books
Ignoring the fact that LCD looks worse, they also wreck your eyes because of how lightning works in them vs Kindles. They shine light into your eyes versus shining light onto the screen. Completely unusable for reading over prolonged periods, especially at night.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16583503
I don't think this list is right noble works has some business terms thats kinda confusing, darcu riot has some medical terms, plus covers a bunch of other stuff.
You really need to lower the scale. Put nichijou stuff.

I get those games are fun but they might be too hard for beginners due to being diverse.

Kanojou no seiki is pretty simple, it covers very simple stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589299
>Nice buzzwords that have zero impact on actual use of the product.
Ghosting and color are literally the opposite of being a "buzzword" thing.

>That's the point?
You literally want a device that can *only* be used for one task, period, even though it's easily capable of doing other tasks just not well?

>Not everyone is underage and wants games and other clutter on something strictly inferior to a computer/laptop.
I agree that mobile devices have a lot of problems, but treating them as though they should literally only be used for reading plaintext is downright delusional.

>they also wreck your eyes
Citation needed. Hint: there isn't one.

>They shine light into your eyes versus shining light onto the screen.
Those are literally exactly the same thing.

>Completely unusable for reading over prolonged periods, especially at night.

Reading at night with e-ink requires a bright light and for the device to be oriented in an appropriate way to the light. Reading at night with an LCD screen requires only soft ambient light and the device can be oriented in any way with very low backlight strength.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589317
The assumption is that anyone reading VNs at that stage is using a texthooker (but not a parser) so jargon shouldn't usually be confusing. That's why axanael is allowed in the first tier, even.

You're free to replace them yourself if you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589319
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0083676
>Results from both objective (Blinks per second) and subjective (Visual Fatigue Scale) measures suggested that reading on the LCD (Kindle Fire HD) triggers higher visual fatigue with respect to both the E-ink (Kindle Paperwhite) and the paper book. The absence of differences between E-ink and paper suggests that, concerning visual fatigue, the E-ink is indeed very similar to the paper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589299
You just sound like someone with really strong buyer's remorse. Have you considered getting a $70 chinese phone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589319
lol ur wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589331
Not peer reviewed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589319
Well those last two points prove that you don't know what a Paperwhite is and never actually hold an ereader in your life. I hope your mom gives you money so you can purchase one and keep your eyesight for a little longer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589346
Hint: I have an e-ink tablet. It's garbage.

>I hope your mom gives you money so you can purchase one and keep your eyesight for a little longer.
Literally isn't a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589331
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22762257

RESULTS:

Results suggested that reading on the two display types is very similar in terms of both subjective and objective measures.
CONCLUSIONS:

It is not the technology itself, but rather the image quality that seems crucial for reading. Compared to the visual display units used in the previous few decades, these more recent electronic displays allow for good and comfortable reading, even for extended periods of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589351
I like how you said "e-ink tablet" (hint: they aren't tablets) and not Paperwhite. Got yourself some random chink shit because of poverty, huh?
>Literally isn't a thing.
If you want to wreck your body that's your free choice, but you'll be the one complaining in 10 years about it because you were too big of a jew for a single time investment that lasts literally decades.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589382
>I like how you said "e-ink tablet" (hint: they aren't tablets)
https://www.amazon.com/All-New-Kindle-ereader-Glare-Free-Touchscreen/dp/B00ZV9PXP2/
This is a tablet. If you say otherwise, you are objectively wrong.

>and not Paperwhite. Got yourself some random chink shit because of poverty, huh?
If you think 120 USD is a high price for an electronic device you have some serious problems with how you see money. I think anon was right when he said buyer's remorse.

>If you want to wreck your body that's your free choice
>>16589355

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589382
It's not suddenly "not a tablet" just because they refuse to call it a tablet. It's still a tablet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589395
dude are you fucking autistic

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589414
no, the person he's responding to is autistic

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589414
>dude are you fucking autistic
Stop posting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589418
damn, i responded to the wrong one

i guess i'm the real autist

[Anonymous No.]

can someone recommend an audioblog that isn't jpod tier. Their stuff is good but the hosts are fucking annoying.

Preferably to do with culture or politics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589395
>This is a tablet.
No it isn't.
>If you think 120 USD is a high price
Well clearly it's too high for you, since you chose the severely gimped product because of 40 bucks. That is assuming you even have that and didn't conveniently pull it out of your butt to pretend to know what it's like to read on an ereader. Because no one who did would ever compare it to LCD.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589434
>No it isn't.
It is. It's big, flat, doesn't bend, and you can carry it in your hand.

>Well clearly it's too high for you, since you chose the severely gimped product because of 40 bucks.
Apparently not considering e-ink's whole deal is that it's not backlit and 167dpi merges with the eye's code/rod resolution at a lazy arm's length.

>That is assuming you even have that and didn't conveniently pull it out of your butt to pretend to know what it's like to read on an ereader. Because no one who did would ever compare it to LCD.
Not an argument, literally just autistic screeching because I said you were wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589445
>167dpi merges with the eye's code/rod resolution at a lazy arm's length.
the amount of wrong in this sentence is astounding, congratulations

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589582
aside from the typo i don't see anything wrong there

[Anonymous No.]

ひめじょおん

ひめじょおん

ひめじょおん

へんななまえ

ふふ

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone else get these days when everything feels weird and nothing just clicks in your head?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589950
Not really. I do get it after reading for like 4-5 hours though. Seems to be the limit for my brain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16589950
This.

Get some rest or sleep, maybe jack off that built up stress, play a vidya, read some non-Japanese book, whatever. Then try coming back to reading that VN or Manga. Works for me.

[Anonymous No.]

I think I understand what Yoko Taro is saying here, but I'm not sure about the sentence structure:

>ルダのこの魚人族
Why the double の?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590142
ゼルダの
この人魚族

[Anonymous No.]

This sentence just came up for the second time in a flashback, and it made me think that maybe the half-guess which I left it with the first time could be totally wrong:

アリス「創部したことで満足して、仲間を増やそう、成績を　残そうと努力せず、甘えている部もあるのではないか？」

The main thing is, what kind of と am I looking at here? I feel like if I can just figure out what the と is doing, the rest might just fall into place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590195
An "and"? Leaving behind your grades (i.e. not caring about them) and not putting in any effort. It's a lazy club for waster scum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590195
volitionalと努力 is similar to volitionalとする. "Without making an effort to recruit more members or leave a mark".

>>16590208
That's not what 成績を残す means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590218
I was thinking if the earlier verbs were volitional and not "seeming" then they would need a quoting particle somewhere, is that the role of と努力せず then? It would be like quoting the meaning/intention behind their actions. Could it even make sense to think of the various forms of とする that way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590287
Yeah. The と after 残そう is performing that role with regard to both 残す and the earlier verb 増やす.

[Anonymous No.]

All I wanna do is practice my production but it takes me like half an hour to write a sentence

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590522
Sounds like you need to practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590550
It'd be nice if we could practice with each other

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590522
>it takes me like half an hour to write a sentence
I think you should try learning japanese before practicing production.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590553
Anon, I... I think it's better to practice with people who will correct your errors and not teach you their own errors, i.e. fluent speakers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590555
I've been reading for almost 3 years now, my vocabs 20k+, I can read pretty much anything that isn't overly ridiculous, just I can't produce to save my life because I never bothered practising

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590581
How do I avoid becoming like you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590569
I know, but I really think it'd be a lot of fun to learn with other people and would help encourage new learners to not give up so easily

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590590
Throw yourself in front of a train

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590594
Do you even know what board you're posting on?

[Anonymous No.]

Would KKLC or Kanji in Context be best for someone who prefers pure memorisation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590596
Sounds like you've done it already
>>16590597
A lot of people from this board are very friendly

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590601
>A lot of people from this board are very friendly
A lot of people on this board are asocial.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590594
Isn't that the point of the thread?
>>16590590
By practicing production.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590599
KKLC is easier to use with flashcards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590601
>A lot of people from this board are very friendly

This is the jp thread not the int one, you clicked the wrong tab

[Anonymous No.]

So this thread is basically all of the autistic anons who were ruining the threads on /a/? This and the other thread is full of bitter, spiteful anons arguing over pointless shit with very little evidence of knowledge of the Japanese language. A lot like those people who take classes and sit there trying to "teach" the teacher, because he thinks he knows better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590569
>>16590594
When you post spoilers, please remember to include where they are from!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590618
Are you, like, upset that you lost an argument or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590618
>So this thread is basically all of the autistic anons who were ruining the threads on /a/?
No, that's >>>/int/, which is where you should go. Let's not start this discussion again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590522
>>16590553
Hellotalkを使う

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590615
Alrighty thanks.
Already have about 800~ under my belt, just being able to read them, but need something to help me get the writing side nailed down.

[Anonymous No.]

What does the cone say?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590626
それともLANG-8

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590604
A lot of them also aren't
>>16590609
I think text-boards can only go so far in helping others. I really don't think there's a negative to someone who's capable of running one, say, starting a group and getting people talking.

[Anonymous No.]

>披露
>ひろう
>お披露目
>おひろめ
>ひろ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590637
>I think text-boards can only go so far in helping others.
When it comes to language they go much further than talking, as long as you don't have a native speaker at hand. In text you can 100% reproduce native language. In speech you cannot. Period.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590642
Oh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590640
>>16590632
Please refrain from posting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590640
It's assimilation. You don't pronounce the k in "bookkeeper" twice.

[Anonymous No.]

まじですか、俺は読みやすい本だけ読めるしほとんど文法がないのに書きするのが簡単です。もちろんたくさん失敗があるけど臆病な気分にならない。
どうして怖いの？そのままで決して学べないだろうね！

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590647
Yeah, that's basically the pivotal problem. If it weren't for the whole "pronunciation and prosody" thing, JSLs would be better at instructing learners via speech since they know what the problems are like. But there's just that one problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590640
Tell whoever you're quoting that it's because お披露目 is ateji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590632
It says "Please park here".

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590625
The /int/ thread is where the people who used djt to learn Japanese are, the /jp/ thread is where the people who used djt to shitpost are

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590675
I used djt to learn japanese and I'm here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590626
I am using it, and I want to use it more, but I just keep getting demotivated because of how mentally exhausting thinking up sentences is

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590637
>I really don't think there's a negative
Community backlash. Trying to start up an outside community is always frowned upon by /jp/, and ensuing drama would probably just get all discussion on it deleted.

[Anonymous No.]

What does this traffic cone say?

>>16590648
Why?

>>16590669
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590632
>>16590669
Funny thing, even though the blue part says not to park, it was a bad choice of design to make "駐車" the biggest word, with 下さい and ご遠慮 sharing equal sizes. Some inattentive driver might just see half of it and assume it's a parking spot.

>>16590683
Me too! But I'll say I learn way less in this branch because of so much pointless bickering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590704
>But I'll say I learn way less in this branch because of so much pointless bickering.
A lot of that is me trying to scare away people that are giving bad advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590703
That's a sign for a fetishist shop.

[Anonymous No.]

What about this traffic cone?

>>16590712
That makes sense, thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590704
Looks like that 駐車禁止 section is part of the cone, at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590731
Why do you have so many pictures of cones?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590691
The group wouldn't have to be limited to /jp/.

/djt/ doesn't require a social group off-board to keep it going, but it feels like there's a gap that's being closed in a lot of the communities on this site where they're using software services to encourage whatever it is that they're interested in, whereas /djt/ posters are locked in an isolated mindset of grinding anki, reading, and using apps to communicate with natives while remaining in some way disconnected from each other.

Of all the groups that involve text based communication, you'd think even the most social of people who use this board would want to talk to each other. Maybe they're just happy with sites like hellotalk though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590731
"Shrine of semen colored hair"

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590762
DJT is an anonymous Japanese learning thread, not a chatroom. It's not a place to make friends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590771
You think so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590618
This thread can be autistic sometimes, but it's still easier to get something useful out of than the /int/ thread, which gets far too much casual traffic and has to be bumped constantly. Flags certainly don't help either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590762
I can see the appeal, but I'm saying people won't let it happen. It goes too strongly against community principle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590772
出てやがれ、糞リア充！

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590771
Anonymous means posting without a name, not lacking a name and identity entirely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590762
There's already places like this anyways, you don't need to connect them to /djt/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590781
You're not my friend!! 馬鹿!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590779
リア充最高！！！

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590755

God speed Conefag.

[Anonymous No.]

よっしゃー！
なんと初めての書き込みが大成功した気がするじぇぇー！(｀・▽・´)o彡゜
4ch民のクズ共がこんなにノリがいいとは思わなかったよ。

てかレスが遅くなってすまん。
ニートライフって色々あって忙しいんだよ。


>>16586469
う、うぜぇ(・´з`・)

なぜか犬耳付きの可愛い二次元美少女を想像させる。
ぐぬぬ…首輪をつけて持ち帰りてぇ(*´Д`)ﾊｧﾊｧ（←駄目な人間）


>>16586520
ああ、確かに盗作しては行けないな。
俺も頑張ってオリジナルの俳句を作ろうぜ…

五月雨
集めて早し
最上川

　　　－名無しさん

( ﾟДﾟ)ｵﾚｽｹﾞｪ


>>16586565
まさかのシスコンかよ！さすが4ch民だな。
責任取れ、この野郎！（笑）

いや、俺も嫌でもないし何も言えねぇが・・・
その調子に乗って書いたやつ↓

妹の
部屋を覗いて
バレたかな


>>16586783
まじウケるｗ
これを読んでガチで吹いたよ。
俺も書くか。

同期生
爆発しろよ
リア充も

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590935
>五月雨
>集めて早し
>最上川
誠に素晴らしき作品である
お主はきっとこの俺の様な大詩人になれるぞい

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590935
>ニートライフって色々あって忙しいんだよ。
皆はエロゲとかで忙しいなんだからカキコする暇はないじゃないかと思う

[Anonymous No.]

>しかも途中で催してきてしまいまして。
What's the meaning of 催して here? The 途中 refers to a speech he was holding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591044
Starting the speech halfway through? Not sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591061
No, I figured it out thanks to chrome rikai. For some reason it had this words extra definition when firefoxs rikaisama didn't, even though the latter is usually the more comprehensive one...
Anyways, it can also mean getting sick etc. so here it means midway through the speech he started shaking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591044
催す = 尿意を催す

[Anonymous No.]

I feel retarded. My retention rates for learning & young cards are absolutely awful...

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591255
Read more.

[Anonymous No.]

http://hyakugo.kyoto.jp/contents/seireki.php

Public index of as-photographed early japanese writing, going back to the 700s.

[Anonymous No.]

>麻
Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591290
>百合文書を
>閉じた

[Anonymous No.]

Every time I encounter a word that has to do with heat or fire when I'm reading I get them mixed up. They all give off a similar feeling so I never know how to pronounce it but I know what it means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591255
Doesn't matter one bit so long as your mature cards are OK and you aren't making any leeches. In fact, in a way it's a sign that you're using anki properly, because if you didn't forget anything that would be a sign that you have spare capacity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591439
>because if you didn't forget anything that would be a sign that you have spare capacity
Applying that logic to extreme forgettingness defies how SRS works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591499
It can't be that extreme if you aren't making any leeches

[Anonymous No.]

>Doing core 2k/6k in Anki
>Accidentally hit e instead of r when trying to replay audio
>This brings up a series of edit fields for the card I'm on
>Close this stuff without tampering with it
>Now audio for ALL cards is disabled and I can't get it working again

What the fuck? I hit one key.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591602
It's a good thing I back this stuff up every day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591602
Learn HTML.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any way to mine words using chrome or do I have to use Firefox?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591659
You can use a non-rikai mouseover dictionary like yomichan, but you should try getting used to firefox instead; rikaisama is just that good, plus you'd be dropping the botnet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591659
Hit c when hovering over the word you want, and paste it into a text file. I think the default copy used by rikaikun uses tabs to seperate

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591659
Just do it manually and stick the words into a text file, or something.
Rikaisama is kind of shit if you don't want to look at cards with a million near synonyms on them.

[Anonymous No.]

あいしあってますか

[Anonymous No.]

Does this sound cool/menacing?
すまんが、死んでもらおう

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591803
It sounds retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16580388
I honestly feel sorry for anyone who can't read and understand Japanese this simple as quickly as they can a sentence in their native language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591810
てめえ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591821
That also sounds retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591823
Don't you dare say that. That one is classy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591832
Real men say てめぇ though

[Anonymous No.]

Just started reading for the first time. This must be what hell feels like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591870

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591870
It gets better over time, just be sure to read what you like so you don't get bored
>>16591811
Pls don't shitpost /jp/ is pure

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591870
スーパーカップをたべるのは

はじであるので

みられてはいけない

[Anonymous No.]

すきなひとに

スーパーカップをたべてるのをみられたら

はずかしくて

いきていけない

[Anonymous No.]

>Japanese exam on Monday

What am I even supposed to focus on? Writing kanji, reading kanji, grammar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592088
Nothing, cramming makes you forget things, not remember them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592088

I like this image.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592088
>>16592099
>>16592166
what the fuck is even happening
also, thats not a water pistol anymore, できないちゃん has a range of sidearms that you'll never be able to read

[Anonymous No.]

>>16591877
>どちらかと言うと
is there any nuance between this and 強いて言えば

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592222
Yeah, if you look at the words they consist of you'll see. Don't get too reliant on rikai hover.
You can't use 強いて言えば in that panel, for example.

[Anonymous No.]

Whats the best JLPT book for N2?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16588191
marry dog
fuck persimmon
kill piss
killed by slav

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592238
hmm if i look at the words id say the first is just a choice of the same topic since it only concerns both of them
the 強いて言えば is a forced justification without any cornering of options, a more pressured response is given rather than chosen

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592222
>between the two
>if I have to say

There's some overlap, but they're pretty different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592099
B-But I already started revising a couple of days ago, and I know most of the kanji/grammar, I just have to make sure I'll be able to recall everything.

>>16592166
It's my pleasure, Anon-chan.

[Anonymous No.]

すかーふなくなったー

おにいちゃんさがして

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592250
>kill piss
愚かなお兄ちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592240
I don't know if these are the best, but I used this

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592240
>>16592515
And the N2 equivalent of this. They were comprehensive and gave good explanations, if I remember correctly. Plus, there were a few hilarious example sentences in the vocab book.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592240
Any book you find compelling

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know if I'm doing this right. I can't seem to type some things?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592698
Why are you using google chrome?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592707
Why do you think that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592718
You didn't answer my question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592723
That's correct.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592698
Push space not down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592731
Oh thank you. I don't quite understand why it does that though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592736
Feels better
You will understand one day

[Anonymous No.]

>>16590781
I was looking for this picture months ago. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>弱ぇぇ
>や(cat purr)うぉぉ
>俺様

Why does literally EVERY generic villain talk like this? I have never once heard an actual person talk like this.

Why are the Japanese so fucking bad at media production?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592829
You have no idea. Even when they have a decent English script to work with, the voice actors shit all over it.

https://youtu.be/T7THU5xgngk?t=8m42s

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592862
>Every J drama ever is a steaming pile of garbage save blue blazes
>Japanese comedy is so bad I don't know how it continues to be on the air
>A good anime comes out maybe once every 2 years
>Japanese feature films that are even worth noting are all live-action adaptations of popular anime, and it's STILL horrible
>The other notable J-films are the ones that are remade by an american studio and done millions of times better in every aspect

They are shit at literally everything when it comes to media.

[Anonymous No.]

はんばーぐ

たべたらくちを

ふきのとう

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592902
>Every J drama ever is a steaming pile of garbage
hero yoshihiko and the demon king's castle good

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592829
>Why are the Japanese so fucking bad at media production
>>16592862
>>16592902
>They are shit at literally everything when it comes to media.

So is there any point in learning Japanese or should I give up now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592957
Anyone who says that Japanese films are horrible either only watches blockbuster garbage or has terminally shit taste.

[Anonymous No.]

ふきのとう

もえたらきたよ

はるのかぜ

[Anonymous No.]

はるかぜに

たなびくセーラー

くまぱんつ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16593038
風情があるねえ

[Anonymous No.]

How do I describe something some said/wrote as "natural-sounding"? Is there an adjective in Japanese for that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16593209
自然のように？

[Anonymous No.]

くまさんが

きいろではんら

へんたいだ

[Anonymous No.]

＞全てあなたが書いたままで伝わると思いますが、違和感があるところだけ添削しました。
What does 伝わる mean here?
Rikaisama says it's to hand something down but I don't really understand

[Anonymous No.]

boy if firefox wasn't a fat, bloated piece of shit i bet rikaisama would be nice to use!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16593301

Conveyed information

[Anonymous No.]

>>16593314
Thanks
To make sure I got it right, he's saying the information is conveyed correctly but he corrected some places which sounded weird?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16593323

Looks like it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16593209
自然な日本語
自然な日本語に聞こえる
自然に聞こえる（日本語）

[Anonymous No.]

>>16593253
No

>>16593209
you could also say 違和感のない

[Anonymous No.]

>>16593485
>>16593488
>>16593253
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

すかーふあったー

にあう？にあう？

[Anonymous No.]

>>16594373
写真つかなきゃ
似合うかどうか分かるわけないよ

[Anonymous No.]

似合うっていえば

自撮りしてたのに

[Anonymous No.]

why does the rikai girl yell im like right here

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.mbyoshida.com/japanese-language/lessons/
Finally, Japanese lessons for the common man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16594498
>Fera is the blowjob. Note the analogy with the word “fellatio”.
damm i totally confused it with roger federer
できない

[Anonymous No.]

Ankidrones, how do I learn a huge amount of cards in the shortest time possible?

About a year or something ago, there were a few ankidrones posting their stats, adding absurd amounts of cards while still maintaining a good retention.

Are there any techniques or tricks to use anki more efficient?

I'm currently adding 30 new cards a day but my retention is shit 60-80% and I get around 550 reviews now.
The biggest problem is that after 350 cards I can't concentrate on it anymore and don't recognize words I should know.
I don't have enough spare time to do a break and do it in 2 learning sessions though.


Also about core10k, is it actually useful?
Are the additional 4k words common and useful or is it stuff you probably won't need when reading Japanese media like 産婦人科医 or stuff like 農林水産大臣?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16594523
If you are planning on mining words from Japanese media, even 6k is pointless. No core deck can ever effectively target the words which you need to be able to read, because it doesn't know what you are going to read. Going as far as 2-3k is just about acceptable as a compromise

[Anonymous No.]

>>16594539
I totally agree that mining is better, but I don't think c6k is pointless, I've learned quite a few important words even after hitting 3k words so I want to finish it.
Also the voiced example sentences are really valuable as well in my opinion, I think my listening improved a lot due to listening to the sentences alone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16594523
My retention went up when I started breaking up reviews into sessions instead of doing them all at once. I do them in 100 review groups now

[Anonymous No.]

>農林
N3
>水産
N3
>大臣
N4

>農林水産大臣
N1

[Anonymous No.]

For some reason 剥 reminds me of 剃, so when 剥がす comes up in Anki, I think shaving and get an image of someone shaving his beard in my head. When I realize it's actually peeling, it seems the easiest place for my head to jump is to imagine he's peeling off his skin instead.

I hate unintentional associations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16594747
剥 is the easiest shit in the world to me, because of 剥ける. I guess it might be harder if you aren't into 包茎 stuff tough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16594551
It's only pointless if you intend to learn by reading, but in that case make no mistake, it most certainly is pointless. No matter how memorable and well-made the example sentences are, no matter how useful the words seem, a mining deck will always enhance your ability to read faster than a core deck, and the compound interest given by that ability easily overrides any other consideration.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16594770
Huh. I know 剥ける, but somehow my brain hasn't connected it to 剥がす yet. Maybe because the reading is completely different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16593304
Did you try turning your life off and on again? Chrome has grown larger and slower than firefox.

[Anonymous No.]

I spend around 60-90 minutes commuting every day, is there some audio shit people can recommend? I figure even standard vocabulary reading would be better than watching traffic all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16592862
Russian, Turkish and Portagual (hueheu) were the only shitty ones, the Japanese one sounds pretty arcane to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595307
Why not take that time to do your Anki reps?

Depending on your level, you can get some audios from courses like Lang2, or podcasts/radio interviews with voice actresses. To find the second one, just look for ラジオ + name of anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595402
Not sure I want to do something demanding that much concentration when I'm half asleep/tired after work and still have to drive.

[Anonymous No.]

>彼はポールがまちぼうけをくわせたのだと悟った
>He realized Paul had stood him up.
I don't really get this grammar properly. How do you identify that it's Paul who stood him up?
What would it look like if it were him doing it to Paul instead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16594523
>>16594523
Staying focused during study: Experiment with pomodoro technique or otherwise timeboxing with small breaks every so often. When you sit down make sure your study area isn't cluttered, try to eliminate as many potential distractions as is feasible. Get your coffee / tea ready beforehand, go to the washroom prior to a study chunk, turn phone on silent etc. When you set yourself to studying do that and ONLY that - maybe consider doing study AWAY from your main PC if it's a constant distraction source.

Physical: Get some light exercise / walking time during the small breaks in your study sessions. Don't be super tired, your brain consolidates short term memory into long term ones while you sleep so it's very important. Take a multivitamin if you don't have a balanced diet.

Time to study: Early morning and just before bed tend to be the two best times for highest retention rates for the next day. Otherwise, as long as you're not distracted by outside factors (noise, heat/cold etc.) any time is fine.

Anki Settings: Make sure that if you're learning new pieces of knowledge entirely inside of Anki (aka only seeing the shit as anki cards) that you increase the number of learning steps and maybe lower the starting ease. Seeing things more often initially will help your retention rate some, as you're solidifying the knowledge more firmly up front via spending more time with each item.

Staying Consistent: Set an initial goal for your week, month and year. It could be x # of words / get to such and such point in your grammar guide / read x manga etc. Reevaluate how feasible your goals are on a weekly basis: as humans we tend to overestimate how much we can accomplish in a day; yet underestimate how much can be accomplished in a year. You WILL need to adjust, so just accept that original plans are a guideline only.

Get some sort of visual accountability system: habitica ties in nicely with much of the above, you could try using https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1771074083 or even a simple spreadsheet listing what you've done each day. At the very least, look through anki's graphs from time to time. It's important to be able to look back to see how much you've accomplished (or have been slacking); language learning is a very long road and it's easy to lose focus when you don't have tangible progress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595501
まちぼうけをくわせた is passive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16594523
Mental fatigue is a thing and even a small, five minute break every so often goes a HUGE way toward helping alleviate this (speaking from sorta masochistic personal experience).

[Anonymous No.]

I've been introducing 20 new words a day with Anki and its going fine, but I'd like to up the tempo a bit. Will 30 new words a day fuck my current workload?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595534
Read more instead. Don't rely on Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595534
In general, expect that the # of new words per day will multiply itself by 10 as your # of daily cards to review in 2~3 weeks.

So 30 new a day becomes ~300+ reviews a day depending on your retention rate and how difficult you're making each individual card (ideally they should be as simple as possible).

Of course, if you start struggling and letting reviews pile up this will cause a snowball effect, so proceed with caution. If you find yourself getting overwhelmed with a tsunami of reviews, just stop adding new cards for a small while and re-evaluate how much you can handle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595538
Also, despite all of the anki talk I've posted above, definitely don't forget to read. Your brain has to make the fuzzy logic connections somehow, and becoming a human dictionary doesn't help that.

Knowing all the words in a sentence yet having no idea what the sentence actually means is a very real problem, so include a minimum reading time / pages / whatever as part of your goals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595548
>So 30 new a day becomes ~300+ reviews a day
Only if you're a literal retard with sub 96-97 retention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595616
It's always better to account for less than best case scenario. I have no idea what another anon's life is like, what kind of memory interference they may encounter, or how harshly they tend to grade themselves in anki, not to mention what stage of learning they're at: someone trying to juggle learning kanji along with struggling to read basic kana has a much steeper hill to climb than someone already in a study groove. There are so many variables at play it's ridiculous to assume anything about retention rates.

But we're on 4chan afterall, so keep on insulting others to feel better about yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595438
You didn't mention you were driving. Take it easy!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595631
>so keep on insulting others
I wouldn't consider mere truth to be an insult. There are actual retards out there and I'm not going to act like that's not the case.
>to feel better about yourself.
I don't need to. I already am better than anyone who is a retard (sub 96-97% retention)

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595503
>Early morning and just before bed tend to be the two best times for highest retention rates for the next day.
I noticed that. Why is it that early morning has good retention rate, even though it's the furthest away from sleeping/memory burying?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595616
It's easy to have good retention when you're an idiot who marks cards you got wrong as correct, >>16554938

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595663
Obviously I'm talking about cases where the information is accurate. Somehow changing your retention to 100% wouldn't actually mean anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595616
It necessarily will if your deck isn't small. Your reps will always increase over time, only the timespan over which they increase will lengthen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595668
Is your fake retention all you have to feel good about yourself? I hope you remember this post every time you cheat on a card to pretend you're not a retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595677
I'm relatively sure it isn't fake. You don't have to feel bad for having an inferior brain though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595676
show me a formal proof of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595696
1) Assume 100% retention, which will necessarily have lower rep growth than any other retention
2) Assume an infinitely long deck
3) Assume you're adding the same number of cards each day (for convenience; if you assume "one card per day" you have the same result)

1) Anki will always end up showing a given card again eventually until it is suspended or deleted. This is a design feature of anki.
2) Because all cards are treated equally, a given day N will always have a set of days before N from where cards added will be reviewed on day N. This is a direct result of the spacing pattern.
3) The pattern of indexes of "days when relevant cards were added" will be the same for all days, up until "when you started using Anki". The only limit is "when you started using Anki".
4) Because of (1), "days when relevant cards were added" has infinite length and does not converge on a finite number of relevant days.
5) As "when you started using Anki" goes further and further into the past, more of the pattern will be uncovered.
6) Therefore, your reps will increase indefinitely and not converge on any value, they will only grow slower, no matter what infinite spacing algorithm is used.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595726
Also, in the case of anki, you can prove it in terms of elementary geometric relations.

The exponential spacing curve gives a pseudo-logarithmic rep density as time passes. The "pseudo" comes from the spacing curve being quantized before/during integration. The basic properties of a logarithmic curve hold, including not converging on a finite value.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595696
https://www.gwern.net/Spaced%20repetition#how-much-to-add

If you can be bothered to read it, knock yourself out. It cites many sources, as well as the author's personal experience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595534
I didn't notice any negative effect on my retention after switching from 20 to 30 daily words, but keep in mind I've only seen 700 cards and I have a lot of free time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595696
Also:
http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/144977491/#145029001

The factor against new cards to determine reps is:

floor(log((learningfactor-1)*dayspassed + 1)/log(learningfactor)) * newcards

learningfactor correlates with ease and retention, where 100% retention and 250% ease results in an learningfactor of 2.5, and a 0% retention always results in an learningfactor of 1. The function of ease to determine learningfactor for retentions other than 0% and 100% is not known, and it depends mostly on whether your retention is low on young cards or old cards.

[Anonymous No.]

Which button do you choose when you slightly mess up the pronunciation of a word?
e.g. 夕方: ゆうかた instead of ゆうがた

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595767
Again

unless you want to learn a slightly wrong pronunciation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595726
Man, I'm glad I'll be done with Core10k in less than 2 months, I've been dangerously passing the 250 threshold but fortunately it won't go past 300. I mean, it's been 3 or 4 months since I broke the 200 barrier, so if I'm still halfway, I'll be able to ease it out before reaching 300.

When I'm back to a smaller pool I'll start mining. How many weeks should it take?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595771
The dropoff once you stop adding cards is very dramatic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595726
>>16595744
I believe you now. This makes sense.
>>16595745
>If you can be bothered to read it, knock yourself out.
Yes, that's why I asked. Thanks.
>as well as the author's personal experience
I don't know why you think this is relevant.

[Anonymous No.]

いもうとちゃん、ここにいるですか

おにいちゃんがいだいてほしいの

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595771
Depends on what's "small" for you. The amount of review will probably be down to half your current number within 2 weeks, if you stop adding new cards

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595794
>>16595775
Sounds good enough to me!
I'll put that extra time into reading some shit or writing kanji with ketchup on the floor and smearing it with my bare chest.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to set the audio input device for Anki? It picks my mic by default, but I wanna set it to stereo mix so I can use it to record lines from games or anime in one click.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595767

Those are pretty annoying. Most of the time it's the "が” type pronunciation like 笑い声, but then the ones that aren't throw me off.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm still a beginner and I just started reading Tae Kim's grammar guide but all his examples use advanced vocabulary. I've downloaded an Anki deck for it but there are about a thousand entries and I can't say I want to learn a thousand words just so I can fluently read though a grammar guide. Is it alright to just scroll up and look at the vocabulary list each time he uses a word I don't know or should I keep doing the Anki deck so I can actually read it myself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16596007
Install Rikai. See the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595534
At least try 25 first, and for at least a couple of weeks so you can start to see how it affects your reviews. The difference between 20 and 25 is surprisingly large.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595790
shindazo

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595307
Try looking for some audio drama CDs based off your favourite anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16596007
Just hover over a word you don't know and you'll see the reading and translation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16596040
>>16596599
Yea it was stupid of me to use the PDF.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>16596619
お前は臭い

[Anonymous No.]

>>16596619
おふろはいろ

[Anonymous No.]

>jap students think I talk like someone from a 大河ドラマ
what does this mean and how do i fix it

[Anonymous No.]

>>16597562
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16597566
himself

[Anonymous No.]

>>16597566
the person who asked me to teach them

[Anonymous No.]

>>16597562
Fix what? You're speaking a foreign language, it's your job to sound weird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16597562
How do you usually speak, for reference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16597591
and around here, we take our job very seriously

[Anonymous No.]

Is JET a meme?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16597623
Ask in >>>/int/ or >>>/trv/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16597562
Stop using でござる

[Anonymous No.]

>>16597801
かくなる上は..

[Anonymous No.]

>>16597826
背に腹はかえられぬ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>16597623
look at >>16597636
or ask at >>>/b/

[Anonymous No.]

>>16585221
>>16585206
>>16585700
Could anybody figure this out?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16597623
Are there ways to get into the JET program without having a bachelors? Or anything similar?

I didn't go to college, but I work in a White Collar establishment, and own my own business.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16598663
>Are there ways to get into the JET program without having a bachelors? Or anything similar?
No.

>I didn't go to college, but I work in a White Collar establishment, and own my own business.
Go to community college.

[Anonymous No.]

If you start making a mining deck how should you balance out your time between it and just your standard/core decks? Do both at 20 cards a day?

[Anonymous No.]

合計＝１ヶ月の足し算結果。　一応この結果で満足するとき、この結果を合計と言います。

総計＝１ヶ月毎の合計があって、さらに年間の合計が必要なとき。合計の合計という考えが頭にあるときに総計と言います。

累計＝１月の合計、１月＋２月の合計、１月＋２月＋３月の合計、のように合計を積み重ねていくことを考えているとき累計と言います。

[Anonymous No.]

>>16598748
You delete Core and focus on mining. In mining you will have context on how the word you mined is used.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16598748
Core is finite, mining decks are not. It doesn't matter in the long run.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16598748

You delete anki and focus on reading. In reading you will have context on how the word you encountered is used.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16599218
ill never abandon ankifu, its too useful

[Anonymous No.]

>>16599117
>mining decks are not finite
This is an absurd statement to make assuming the words you mine are actually legitimate words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16599218
Sorry, I'm too fucking stupid for that. I tried to learn by just rereading the words over and over without looking them up but it never really took.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16599329

The idea isn't to read without looking words up. That only works if you already know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16599316
This anon is right.

Assuming you start from zero now, there is a 120k cards deck, which, if summed up with the estimated 1k new words created every year, will take between 19 and 20 years at a 20 new cards per day basis.

See? Learning Japanese is easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16599416
Do you understand what countably infinite means?

[Anonymous No.]

Anki? More like 暗鬼 if you ask me!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16599529

More like ヤンキー

[Anonymous No.]

i think a lot of you guys are doing it wrong but ok i won't feel bad

[Anonymous No.]

スレを見渡すとホープレスな外人で溢れかえっている

[Anonymous No.]

>>16599529
暗器にきょうみがある？

匕首？

[Anonymous No.]

>>16599992
しゅりけん折ったよ

おにいちゃんにあげる

[Anonymous No.]

>>16600041
好きです
付き合ってください

[Anonymous No.]

>>16600083
いいよ

そのかわりおにいちゃん、まいにちせっくすしてよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16599970
2chから流れて来たんか?
でもあんたの言うとおりや
ここは童貞率も高いで
ワイはちゃうけど

[Anonymous No.]

>>16595790
あんたは何を言うとるのかわからんわ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16600124
どうていは

これだからこまる

[Anonymous No.]

Serious question.

Have you guys noticed not fapping helping you have a clearer mind and being able to pay more attention to things? I fap every 2 days and after a session I feel its 3x as hard to focus on whatever im reading afterwards. It also is hard to focus the morning after.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16600182
Idk I fap usually right after the big session of anki, helps me fight off the stress a lot. I usually fap 2 times a day, but it is all according to the lust so its fine for my body, maybe ure forcing self a bit too much to fap?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16600181
しじょは

これだからこまる

[Anonymous No.]

>>16600208
しょじょ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16600216
How can you fuck up 少女 2回 already?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16600182
>have a clearer mind and being able to pay more attention to things?

Ive definitely heard this as well from other people. I can attest to this, when I havent fapped I feel I have a more of an attention span when I read through moege and can usually tackle anki alot better. My mind gets a bit more clouded and my short term memory gets fucked. I also notice I get tired and less emotive as well.

Try a month of no fap?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16600227
I meant 処女 not 少女
"She" *cough* イモウト *cough* is a virgin.

That's what I meant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16600182
>>16600235
It's not focus but motivation. Once you ejaculate you have fulfilled the #1 biological purpose of your existence, reproduction. After that your drive vanishes until you're ready to go again.
No need to go as crazy as one month, if you reduce it to 1-2 a week you should be fine. Make sure to only fap when you are truly horny, not because you're bored and want the high.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw getting to the point where I can read long sentences faster than the voices speak in VNs

[Anonymous No.]

Is a 93% retention good?

[Anonymous No.]

あめりかは

ひとはひとのみているところでは偽善をなし

にほんは

ひよはひとのみていないところでは善をなし

おとなりのくには

ひとはひとのみていないところでは悪をなす

ときょういくされている

[Anonymous No.]

>>16599431
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16599431
Mining decks are uncountably infinite, not countably infinite. After all, you can't even enumerate two words with any certainty. That's just how human language is! ;)

[Anonymous No.]

>>16600752
That doesn't explain shit, but whatever, nerd!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16600476
I can do that, especially when the line is something predictable and said often.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16600774
Real response: Human language is a type-1 system at the very least (probably type-0), so you can theoretically make an infinitely long mining deck made of increasingly long phrases, forever, without it being spatially inefficient (in terms of the information contained within the length of each phrase).

[Anonymous No.]

write these in hiragana instead of kanji:
https://twitter.com/tarareba722/status/604512061003960320

[Anonymous No.]

>>16600993
no

[Anonymous No.]

なぜディジェイティのアノンは「僕」が嫌いの?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16601211
わがネタ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16601211
俺達はむっちりもっこり男性、ですから「僕」が完全にアウト。そんな子供っぽく言い方はくだらんぞ。

[Anonymous No.]

http://balloon-rhetoric.atwebpages.com/50line.html