Why is MTG so popular in Japan if they have their own TCGs like Lycee etc? Isn't it more fun to duke it out with lolis and moe girls than with creatures spawned in the bowels of hell?

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Anonymous Sun Nov 16 22:57:31 2008 No.1621118 [Reply] [Original]

Why is MTG so popular in Japan if they have their own TCGs like Lycee etc? Isn't it more fun to duke it out with lolis and moe girls than with creatures spawned in the bowels of hell?

>>	Dark Saber !!Q91UCZy6uN6 Sun Nov 16 22:59:59 2008 No.1621127 >>1621118 It's more fun to do it with giant robots.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 16 23:00:24 2008 No.1621131 It doesn't have to be all loli all the time, man. Everyone needs a little darkness in their lives.

Anonymous Sun Nov 16 23:02:26 2008 No.1621137

Lycee is such a bullshit game. It's more of a buyan game than MTG if you can believe it. Magic is more flexible in that there are more types of decks that can be constructed even with shit cards if you know how to combo them right. The point of Lycee is to show off your cute cards. I don't think anyone seriously plays unless they have Aspergers syndrome or something.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 16 23:03:28 2008 No.1621142 Lycee is a game built on the premise of product placement. With every set they come out, they are just whoring the newest moe moe shit that was just released.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 16 23:06:41 2008 No.1621154 >>1621127 Everything is more fun with giant robots. I haven't had anything to do with collecting cards since a bit of Magic many years ago, but I'd buy them by the assload if they had giant robots.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 16 23:09:00 2008 No.1621174 So how does one play Lycee anyways? I bought a starter deck at a con a while back and I've met one person at uni that plays it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 16 23:10:37 2008 No.1621179 Because MTG mechanics are more interesting than most others TGS. Because it's older. Because it's Western.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 16 23:11:20 2008 No.1621184 Do you draw you conclusions on MTG's popularity from a few shitty photoshops?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 16 23:11:41 2008 No.1621187 >>1621174 You don't play Lycee. You just collect them and show it off to your otaku friends....wait...nvm...you just collect them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 16 23:20:50 2008 No.1621230 >>1621184 I draw it from the fact that they have many MTG tournaments in Japan and many world champions are Japanese.

Anonymous Sun Nov 16 23:21:20 2008 No.1621235

because MTG is a card game where stacking together 50 rares does not make a tournament level deck, but lately I have started losing faith in magic, the legendary lands which give you another type of mana for -1 hp and the double color cards where you can play a monster with black abilities using blue mana.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 16 23:28:20 2008 No.1621273 >>1621235 Those aren't that bad. A burn/land destruction deck would fuck that strategy up.

Anonymous Sun Nov 16 23:35:34 2008 No.1621307

>>1621273
yes they are pretty bad look at all of the 2008 pro tour decks, all of them have 20 legendary lands its ridiculous. The multi colored cards totally break the game, pretty much the only reason to play blue was because of card drawing and counterspells the only downside was that you had shit monsters, now with these new duel color cards you have crazy shit like a green deck playing cards like "Destroy target creature" and "counter target spell" without having to deal with the problem of NOT drawing the right mana when you need it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 16 23:56:40 2008 No.1621399 >>1621235 >>1621307 What fucking legendary lands? Reflecting pool? Vivid lands? Filter lands? Those aren't legendary.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 01:17:50 2008 No.1621813 Couldn't the op's card just destroy permanents? it would definitely be cleaner.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 01:18:06 2008 No.1621819 >>1621813 planeswalkers mah boiiii

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 01:20:36 2008 No.1621828 >>1621813 just that? FOR 15 MANA?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 01:25:14 2008 No.1621850 File: 50 KB, 340x473, 1226885114805.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Enjoy your wasted mana, OP.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 01:28:37 2008 No.1621869 I imagine Starlight Breaker in magic looking like that old black lotus / channel / fireball trick.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 01:29:43 2008 No.1621874 >>1621850 why not just play a counter spell? your supposed to play time stop before the other guy draws a card therefore skipping his entire turn, no mana wasted.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 01:33:33 2008 No.1621890 File: 18 KB, 472x352, 1226885613934.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I don't know about these "Magic" Card you speak of, but we do have Spell Cards in this game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 01:35:12 2008 No.1621899 >>1621874 His card says it can't be countered. I can't think of any other alternative to stopping it once it's ben played than time stop. I'm sure there is one, but I don't have every card memorized.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 01:35:32 2008 No.1621896 >>1621874 time stop ends the turn immediately, negating all spells on the stack after it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 01:37:06 2008 No.1621902 >>1621896 >why not just play a counter spell?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 01:37:13 2008 No.1621903 >>1621899 you can always deflect it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 01:41:03 2008 No.1621923 >>1621899 why stop it when you can just skip their entire turn?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 01:45:08 2008 No.1621946 >>1621923 Then they can just play it next turn.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 01:46:08 2008 No.1621948 >>1621896 It has to resolve for the card to negate the stack after it. So unless Wizard really fucked the stack over, you can counter Time Stop.

Anonymous Mon Nov 17 01:52:26 2008 No.1621963

Seconding the problems with Magic's current metagame. With all the latest sets focusing on multicolor cards, cards you can pay for with different kinds of mana, easy access to multicolor lands, all spells might as well be colorless.

But really, none of that even matters because elves rape so hard that it's not necessary to go far outside green.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 01:58:55 2008 No.1621988 >>1621948 so whats ur point? that time stop can be countered so OP's card is still invincible? what if i have 40 cards in my hand with full sets of manaless counters to counter your counterspell? such a meaningless post.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:01:50 2008 No.1622004 File: 44 KB, 375x523, 1226887310512.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Touhou hijack

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>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:04:53 2008 No.1622025 >>1622013 What kind of arrogant cunt makes token cards? I hate everything about you.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:06:10 2008 No.1622039 File: 50 KB, 375x523, 1226887570902.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1622025 >;-;

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:07:20 2008 No.1622044 File: 49 KB, 375x523, 1226887640131.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] See flavor text. >>1622039

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>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:11:50 2008 No.1622071 >>1622004 Looking kinda hot there, Reimu

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:12:13 2008 No.1622075 >>1622044 Should be white Hakutaku are holy creatures.

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Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:14:26 2008 No.1622097

Youkai really shouldn't be a creature type, they should just use Spirit like they did for the youkai in Kamigawa block.

Furthermore Kamigawa block is focused on legendary creatures and a fantasy-ish ancient Japan, which makes it perfect for the all the touhou cards people have been making.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:15:03 2008 No.1622100 File: 46 KB, 375x523, 1226888103099.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1622075 Yeah, I know, but the ability is standard black fare: see Yawgmoth's Will.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:16:21 2008 No.1622107 File: 44 KB, 375x523, 1226888181752.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1622097 Kamigawa block would have been infinitely better if it was based solely on Touhou.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:16:57 2008 No.1622111 >>1621988 I was merely pointing out the Time Stop can be countered. I don't care about strong Statlight Breaker is as it's not a real card.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:20:31 2008 No.1622140 File: 48 KB, 375x523, 1226888431623.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1622124 >>1622113 >>1622044 >>1622039 Posting the rest of the Eientei crew to go with Keine. Will post SDM afterward to keep Cirno company.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:23:54 2008 No.1622159 >>1621118 This should do damage based on how many cards are tapped.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:24:35 2008 No.1622163 >>1621850 does hat end summoning sickness?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:25:02 2008 No.1622170 >>1622124 Haha, this one's clever, giving her the archer ability. >>1622140 Should be red, I'm sure I've seen this ability on a red card.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:25:10 2008 No.1622166 File: 48 KB, 375x523, 1226888710281.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Damn, the uploader is slow tonight.

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Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:30:57 2008 No.1622202
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>>1622170
I got that ability from a black Assassin in Kamigawa, but it's also shown up in white (Wave of Reckoning or something like that). Could be red too.

No Wriggle, so this rounds out IN, I think.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:32:19 2008 No.1622209 File: 51 KB, 375x523, 1226889139164.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1622107 Continuing with ESD...

Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:34:33 2008 No.1622222
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I didn't make Sakuya because her time control abilities lend themselves to manipulating turns, which as a repeatable effect would be broken as fuck. Sacrificing her to use them seemed wrong, so I just never made a Sakuya.

Have a Patchy instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:36:25 2008 No.1622226 >>1622209 10 sounds a bit overpowered for that price

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:36:49 2008 No.1622229 File: 47 KB, 375x523, 1226889409735.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1622222 And Remi. Redid the cost since the last time I posted her because she was the MOTHERFUCKIN JUGGERNAUT before. Bit more balanced now.

Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:38:53 2008 No.1622246
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>>1622226
Well, you figure, she'll take a lot of damage. I should have let her block multiple creatures or have a Pariah ability, but whatever.

Flan. I know her second ability would be annoying. Play her with Rakdos or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:39:56 2008 No.1622252 >>1622222 You might be able to make it work with something like Savor the Moment, where your stuff doesn't untap.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:40:54 2008 No.1622263 File: 48 KB, 375x523, 1226889654958.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'll post the Mayohiga crew now. Yukari is pretty straightforward, and I've posted her before.

Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:43:05 2008 No.1622274
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>>1622252
You know, that's actually a good idea.

Ran is blue because she deals in illusions, hence her abilities. I made her black because Yukari is black, and Ran is connected to her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:43:24 2008 No.1622276 >>1622229 >>1622246 Considering this is Touhou, may I ask why Remi has a both a higher cost, more power, a better ability and no discard requirement as opposed to Flandre?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:46:07 2008 No.1622291 It's because MtG is an actually well balanced and created game. It is the best tcg ever and the rules system tends to work better than any other designed so far, that and much wider audience equals more people to play with.

Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:46:10 2008 No.1622293
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>>1622276
Flandre is crazy and has to be kept in check by someone else, hence the discard. Remi ended up like that when I was shuffling numbers around to make her more balanced. She's not as randomly destructive as Flan, though.

I was uninspired with Chen, but I knew she was fast but also relatively weak. I could probably up the cost on her "Firebreathing" ability to make it weaker. Also, she hates water, so I made her weak to blue.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:46:19 2008 No.1622294 >>1622276 because youd have to be nuts to let flan out of the basement

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 02:48:38 2008 No.1622305 File: 49 KB, 375x523, 1226890118875.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Marisa ze~ I'll be back later with the MF folks, but right now I'm hungry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 03:03:04 2008 No.1622383 File: 33 KB, 234x320, 1226890984639.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1621903 you can always deflect it. No.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 03:05:14 2008 No.1622398 >>1622383 time stop

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 03:12:03 2008 No.1622434 File: 50 KB, 375x523, 1226891523212.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Not the guy who's been posting cards, but here's a Yuka I made. I decided to make her a plain and simple beefcake, emphasizing her bully aspect.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 03:24:19 2008 No.1622497 >>1622305 No Master Spark ability? For shame.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 03:24:28 2008 No.1622501 >>1622113 this plus the sorcery "target player has immunity to all spells this round" and "target creature has immunity to all spells this round" oh god.... control deck owners would cry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 03:33:57 2008 No.1622550 >>1622501 Kaguya is just asking for someone to play Orim's Chant.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 03:57:22 2008 No.1622645 File: 47 KB, 375x523, 1226894242192.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1622044 Well, it could've been worse. Then again, my MSPaint job sucks to begin with.

Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:05:30 2008 No.1622674
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Back.

>>1622550
Yeah, I know. I made her five colors to offset that a bit, and gave her 1 toughness to make her vulnerable to black -X/-X effects. Also, she's symmetrical, so it might not be her controller who's casting Chant...

Nitori.

Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:07:42 2008 No.1622680
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>>1622645
Oh, it was worse. The text was so small it was unreadable unless you blew the card up to twice that size.

Before anyone asks, I made all of the goddess-y characters into planeswalkers. Hina is a goddess, so yeah.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:09:38 2008 No.1622686 File: 38 KB, 375x523, 1226894978728.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Kinda bland, yeah. Also, already posted Shameimaru. >>1622028

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:11:41 2008 No.1622696 File: 47 KB, 375x523, 1226895101059.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] in b4 hackneyed and unfunny slut jokes lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:12:36 2008 No.1622700 File: 46 KB, 375x523, 1226895156539.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:14:37 2008 No.1622709 File: 49 KB, 375x523, 1226895277218.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] KERO KERO KERO (Anyone got a better idea for her last ability? It just feels so lame.)

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:16:37 2008 No.1622713 >>1622124 The black background doesn't suit very well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:17:54 2008 No.1622722 File: 47 KB, 375x523, 1226895474205.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] PCB. No Letty, posted Alice, no Prismriver sisters, posted the Yakumo crew.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:20:07 2008 No.1622732 File: 27 KB, 375x523, 1226895607504.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1622722 Posting Myon to piss off that one anti-token Anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:21:32 2008 No.1622736 File: 45 KB, 375x523, 1226895692609.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] And now back to non-token cards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:22:48 2008 No.1622740 File: 44 KB, 375x523, 1226895768212.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] And now posting what I've got left in no particular order.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:23:11 2008 No.1622741 Athens' email coffeeandcigarettes@live.co.uk

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:24:33 2008 No.1622744 File: 50 KB, 375x523, 1226895873893.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:25:55 2008 No.1622746 >>1622741 have any proof to back this up? or are you trying to PA?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:26:24 2008 No.1622748 File: 53 KB, 375x523, 1226895984116.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1622741 So, what, you want me to make an Athens card? Consider it done.

Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:26:27 2008 No.1622749

>>1622700
Sorry, I chuckled at "Kanoko".

Also, will you post the whole set in some kind of MSE/.rar file in the end?

Of further comment, this is at least the 5th(?) attempt I've seen in some kind of Touhou MtG. (http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~b89085/thMTG/TouhouRapid.htm, ~2+ over at Pooshlmer, few here).

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:29:09 2008 No.1622756 File: 51 KB, 375x523, 1226896149327.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1622749 ...whoops. Yeah, I can just stick the entire set on RS, give me a second.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:29:31 2008 No.1622758 >>1622746 Right here, in his email field. >>1622711

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:32:24 2008 No.1622769 >>1622758 thats not proof, hes a known troll that email is probably a PA, honestly who is dumb enough to put any personal information on a board where half the residents want the poster dead?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:33:19 2008 No.1622770 >>1622769 he asked columbia to email him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:35:17 2008 No.1622775 File: 52 KB, 375x523, 1226896517824.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://rapidshare.com/files/164533880/touhou.mse-set It's a Magic Set Editor file. You can get the program for free.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:38:16 2008 No.1622789 File: 36 KB, 375x523, 1226896696461.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] That's all for now. Taking requests for specific characters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:45:21 2008 No.1622817 >>1622789 Haven't seen Sakuya so far.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:46:50 2008 No.1622823 >>1622263 could you post just the art from this one?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:47:15 2008 No.1622827 >>1622817 See: >>1622222

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>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:52:38 2008 No.1622851 >>1622222 you could just make sayuka give things split second thats a fair representation of her powers and give her flash, haste, and split second as well and maybe a built in bounce or a tap for dammage ability

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:53:56 2008 No.1622859 File: 39.00 MB, 2000x1500, 1226897636330.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1622789 Need some Wriggle

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:54:01 2008 No.1622860 File: 42 KB, 375x523, 1226897641499.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1622817 Following the Savor the Moment Anon's advice... You could take infinite turns with this, but it'll be really complicated.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:56:46 2008 No.1622867 File: 46 KB, 375x523, 1226897806249.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1622859 No token this time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 04:58:31 2008 No.1622875 >>1622775 Thanks. I might want to borrow ideas from your cards for the future, if that's okay with you (conditions?).

Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:00:09 2008 No.1622884

>>1622860
>You could take infinite turns with this, but it'll be really complicated.

I'm curious, how? Another turn requires an untap but you're skipping your untap. I'd assume you would need some instant that forces an untap and either an associated buyback price or a graveyard searching card with a buyback price. Not too familiar with Magic, so would I be correct?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:01:46 2008 No.1622892 >>1622831 thanks man

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:03:21 2008 No.1622899 >>1622884 Instill Energy, it allows you untap the creature it enchants once per turn at your own discretion. This could combine with Sakuya for infinite useless turns (since nothing else would untap).

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:03:36 2008 No.1622900 >>1622884 You'd need a Mycoloth with at least ten counters on it, a Clock of Omens, and a Mycosynth Lattice. >>1622875 Sure, I don't care. Anyone have good pictures of Letty? I have an idea for her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:10:07 2008 No.1622929 >>1622899 >infinite useless turns no you could easily have an enchantment or creature ability that starts with at the beginning of every turn _____

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:19:47 2008 No.1622976 Sure are alot of magic players on /jp/. I wonder why...

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:23:16 2008 No.1622990 >>1622976 /jp/ - /tg/

Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:25:43 2008 No.1623001

>>1622899
>>1622929
Well, a combo like that would require:
Sakuya
Something to untap Sakuya per turn.
Something to untap/produce mana per turn for her ability.
Upkeep effect (Honden of Infinite Rage. Yes, Infinite Rage sounds really appropriate.)

Four cards or so isn't too terribly cheap, unless there's something I missed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:30:54 2008 No.1623018 >>1622976 Magic was the equivalent of Yu-Gi-Oh back in the day, every kid in elementary - junior high was playing it back then.

Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:31:23 2008 No.1623021

>>1623001
You can pull it off like I said here: >>1622900 . The Lattice makes all your permanents artifacts, and the Clock lets you tap two artifacts to untap one. You need some way to generate ten new artifacts per turn to untap Sakuya and her four mana. Mycoloth with ten counters make ten Saprolings per turn, but there's probably other ways to do it using that one enchantment from Time Spiral that gives players extra upkeeps.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:40:42 2008 No.1623051 >>1623021 Yeah, just read yours after my post. Yours would build a huge army ready to kill somebody by the next turn, so yeah, it'd work nicely. The card you're looking for is Paradox Haze.

Spring !m7te1lApzs Mon Nov 17 05:42:44 2008 No.1623054

>>1622263
just an aside... a creature that phases out can't phase back in unless it has the phasing ability itself, so I hope that is broken on purpose. If so, proper wording is "Remove target creature from the game"

Phasing does fit Yukari though. maybe give her a second ability for the same price that will allow her to bring creatures removed from the game back into play under your control?

Hell, Yukari probably should be a planeswalker herself.

Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:46:56 2008 No.1623064

>>1623054
Huh. I thought phasing set up a delayed triggered ability like Astral Slide or Turn to Mist. Otherwise, Reality Ripple and friends would be blue Vindicates.

I'll look up the rules for it, though.

Oh, and >>1623051 . The army is tapped down to keep Sakuya running. You'll need to draw into a Turnabout to win, which isn't hard given that you're taking infinite turns.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:50:41 2008 No.1623080 >>1623064 I meant "The turn after the opponent gets one last shot to stop you" kind of turn. Though what you suggested indeed works better.

Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:51:01 2008 No.1623084

>>1623064
Got it.

502.15b During each player’s untap step, before the active player untaps his or her permanents, all permanents with phasing the player controls phase out. Simultaneously, all objects that had
phased out under that player’s control phase in.

So I think that the phasing event doesn't care about whether that permanent had phasing, just whether it's phased out.

Spring !m7te1lApzs Mon Nov 17 05:53:21 2008 No.1623090

>>1623064
Nope, its the phasing ability that lets them phase back in. The Yukari card has the reminder text.

If the card just phases out, it's removed from game. if it was granted the Phasing ability, and retains the ability during the upkeep, it will phase back in since that is what the card looks for to trigger the return back to play during that step. without the ability, its stuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:54:58 2008 No.1623096 master spark do master spark

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:59:18 2008 No.1623114 File: 439 KB, 1889x1049, 1226901558465.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 05:59:44 2008 No.1623118 >>1623096 just take the first card in the first post and call it master spark instead of starlight breaker

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 06:06:00 2008 No.1623145 File: 43 KB, 375x523, 1226901960956.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1623096 Pretty basic imo...

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 06:13:01 2008 No.1623167 File: 43 KB, 375x523, 1226902381342.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How about this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 06:16:06 2008 No.1623179 rigged, maybe if u increased all costs by 3 mana

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 06:29:05 2008 No.1623215 File: 69 KB, 312x445, 1226903345810.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1621118 OHOHO!

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 06:32:55 2008 No.1623225 >>1623145 master spark gives life? since when? oh, bombing i guess

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 06:40:22 2008 No.1623250 >>1623215 >Target spell with a single target >single target Wouldn't work on Starlight Breaker, as it targets multiple things. It'd work against Master Spark, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 06:42:54 2008 No.1623258 >>1623215 Starlight Breaker isn't a single target spell...

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 06:43:46 2008 No.1623259 >>1623250 >Destroy all lands, creatures, enchanments and artifacts target player controls. It can't be countered. >target player controls. >target

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 06:44:19 2008 No.1623262 >>1623250 >Destroy all lands, creatures, enchanments and artifacts target player controls. It can't be countered. >target player controls. Only targets ONE player.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 17 06:46:54 2008 No.1623267 >>1623114 >Arcuied

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