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Anonymous Mon, Nov 7, 2016 02:07:54 No.16075422 [Reply] [Original]

Which do you like where the fandom is going and the view on how touhou is?
Happy-go-lucky where everyone is nonchalant or near literal fudal japan with with the constant fear of death with a side of happy living.

I like the dark approach and how some artists show the grim side of touhou where youkai eat people and people are devastated and despair can happen any day but of course its good to see some light through it where its not so bad sometimes through sheer optimism and friendship and thats good writing.
>zounose
>mori no mushi
>personal color
>karaage tarou
ect...

Anonymous Mon, Nov 7, 2016 02:56:16 No.16075518

I generally like happy things. Most artists that try and depict the darker side of Touhou go full edge and it's just too much. Zounose, as you listed, is a good example of how to do it well though.

I don't know why you listed Karaage there, as they are about as happy and peaceful as it gets.

Anonymous Mon, Nov 7, 2016 04:23:03 No.16075660

I don't really read doujinshi and don't really care about what the fandom think.
Reading everything about the canon Gensokyo looks like a mix of both, just like the real world. On one side you have kids talking about how cute dogs are, on the other you have yet another news about some macabre murder.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Nov 7, 2016 05:16:02 No.16075715 File: 1.17 MB, 1411x2000, denshanokuni_019.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Personal Color is probably one of my favorite circles, though I wouldn't really consider them dark or grim.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Nov 7, 2016 21:53:56 No.16078727 File: 310 KB, 1280x1822, recollection_72.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16075422 Fuantei

>>	Anonymous Mon, Nov 7, 2016 22:18:22 No.16078816 >>16075422 gensoukoumuten future >>16075715 talking of her (I guess), what happened with the last part of shinki book?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Nov 7, 2016 22:22:23 No.16078839 >>16078816 She's a real artist now and doesn't have time for lame touhou crap

>>	Anonymous Mon, Nov 7, 2016 22:57:13 No.16078982 >>16075422 I too want to kick someone so hard that I slice their face off

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 9, 2016 12:34:13 No.16085274 >>16075422 well zounose often overdone to the point of grimderp. maybe it's just personnal taste but i feel his best stories are the one with the least grimness to it (like rain fall)

Anonymous Wed, Nov 9, 2016 13:00:30 No.16085329

>>16075422
I like the ones where youkai fuck shotas. Because honestly, they have nothing to do all day. They can't kill or scare anyone, no one attacks them, they have to make up fake incidents and play fireworks to exist, it's not like they have much else to do but be decadent.

I mean why else would they take the form of cute anime girls instead of normal monsters or even half monstrous women?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 9, 2016 13:01:31 No.16085332 >>16075422 I like the official manga's blend of both. Well, I suppose the fairies one is just happy-go-lucky

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 9, 2016 22:10:53 No.16086599 >>16085329 >I mean why else would they take the form of cute anime girls instead of normal monsters or even half monstrous women? maybe because they want to like how they look

>>	Anonymous Thu, Nov 10, 2016 04:01:45 No.16087203 >>16086599 Why wouldn't they like how they look no matter what they were? Do youkai view themselves according to the standards of otaku human males?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Nov 10, 2016 05:46:43 No.16087373 File: 347 KB, 750x900, 1471023914144.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16075422 i like the slice of life with cute girls, because i grew out of grimdark shit when i was 20. i am getting old and i don't want no bullshit in my waifu land.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Nov 13, 2016 00:00:37 No.16098394 >>16075422 Why us she killing her Kin?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Nov 13, 2016 02:33:08 No.16098780 >>16098394 Because the entire purpose of that doujin was her waking up to the fact that she's a tengu and to stop being a wolfaboo.

Anonymous Sun, Nov 13, 2016 04:42:40 No.16099015

>>16075422
I like how you refuse to acknowledge any happy medium, op.

My prefered Gensokyo is close to canon. So fairly optimistic on the outside, with some darker implications as you go deeper into it. I don't like the darker elements being too obvious, and focusing too much on them results in pretentious, pandering, and overly cynical trash such as KKHTA and DitR.

Of course, ignoring those elements completely can also result in mindless and shallow works, but those are typically more tolerable than the opposite extreme.

Anonymous Sun, Nov 13, 2016 16:28:38 No.16100917

>>16075422
I'm only really into Touhou for the dark stuff. Stories about happy people doing nice things just doesn't do it for me.

Plus a lot of the implications of the setting are horrifying enough that i think it would be weird not to take the dark route.

That silent protagonist Reimu doujin was pretty nice though.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Nov 13, 2016 16:34:00 No.16100937 I wanna see more traditional stuff like Japanese folklore

Anonymous Sun, Nov 13, 2016 16:57:19 No.16101018
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>>16100937
I wanna see more folklore and mythology in general. Even those of different cultures. Mayan mythology, European mythology- Shit, I'm a sucker for mythology, and I love how ZUN likes to play around with it.

Also, as for the topic of the thread, I like the 'canon' Gensokyo better. So happy and nice at the first look, yet the closer you look the darker it. It's subtle yet supple: Just the way I like it. Thus, I tend to like works that can get close that tone more. Though, I don't mind a little edge every once in a while as long as it doesn't get too retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Nov 15, 2016 04:13:19 No.16106821 >>16075422 >She lost her innocents Did she become a woman /jp/

>>	Anonymous Tue, Nov 15, 2016 05:35:28 No.16107006 >>16075422 Angsty Teen Momiji screaming about Adults the book. Such a shit book

>>	Anonymous Thu, Nov 17, 2016 19:20:54 No.16118636 >>16107006 it was a good book

Anonymous Thu, Nov 17, 2016 20:01:38 No.16118784

>>16075518
LOL EVIL BYAKUREN EATS BABIES TO BE PRETTY!
LOL EVIL REMILIA CUT OF SAKUYA'S LEG FOR NO REASON!

The dude is pure edgy cringe.

>>16085274
That's pretty much the only thing not shit he's ever done. Guess blind squirrels do eventually find nuts.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 18, 2016 19:53:24 No.16124549 >>16118784 What about that Suwako

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 18, 2016 20:02:06 No.16124582 >>16124549 He did one about Suwako? Was that one about LOL HUMAN SACRIFICES but in the MODERN AGE? All the shitty GRIMDARK Touhou shit just blurs together after a while.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 18, 2016 22:03:57 No.16125028 It's hard to make "grimdark" shit to be entertaining. It isn't too hard to make SOL.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 18, 2016 23:45:34 No.16125311 >>16118784 This.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 03:47:22 No.16125954 >>16124549 Suwako one is the worst. The other ones are plausible, but that one is blatantly, blatantly ignorant of the source material.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 06:14:11 No.16126371 >>16118784 >>16124582 itt people complain about things they didn't read

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 07:10:40 No.16126534 >>16125028 Warhammer 40k can do it because they're so stupidly over the top it can wrap around to being a joke. That and Orks. >>16125954 When you're racing for MAXIMUM GRIM DARK who cares about source material!

Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 09:46:54 No.16127079
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I like Yakumi Sarai stuff, but it is super edgy. I think I like the stories most, more than its use of Touhou characters. Take Vintage, for example. It's about a vampire mistress that wants to be able to preserve the memory of her beloved mortal servant. She does this in a very vampire-like way - humans are food, so she'll remember her servant fondly while drinking wine made of her blood and sampling her meat. Hunting Dog's Fangs is about a wolf troubled with her society's recent human leanings while she tries to find her place between beast and humanity, etc. If they wrote the same sort of stories but not featuring Touhou characters I'd still be interested, but going with Touhou makes it easier to sell since it's an already established fanbase.

The one I like most and fits most closely with the Touhou universe is Goldfish Bowl. Does Yukari care most about the fishbowl she created (Gensokyo) or the pretty fish she fills it with (the characters)?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 10:26:48 No.16127264 >>16127079 The problem is using Touhou Characters makes it go from edge to Cringe as pretty much EVERYONE is wildly out of character in those stories. Well Momiji isn't as that'd require her to actually have a character.

Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 11:37:17 No.16127602

>>16099015
Never understood the problem with DitR. Yukari and Tenshi were doing everything for Gensokyo, after all. And Brolli does get a bittersweet ending.
I can agree with KKHTA: in certain parts, it becomes really stupid. But I like the way of the events in the latest episodes.

Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 12:26:18 No.16127815

>>16127602
>Never understood the problem with DitR
I think most people's problem with it is that it's an overblown, serious deconstruction about...Touhou fan fiction. Told via walfas. If that doesn't scream "No sense of self-awareness," I don't know what does.

Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 12:38:17 No.16127846

>>16127815
I've never read a Touhou fan fiction, but I could generally comprehend it as literally all the crappy memes and fanon distorsions. It was nice to see Momiji disliking Aya, Nitori focusing on affairs, Tenshi actually having a "rather nice personality" (as ZUN said) inside, Eiki judging people the way they are instead of declaring everyone guilty. And the Walfas didn't really bother me.
My only gripes were the portrayal of Byakuren as Youkai Malcom X and the fact that you're constantly told that Brolli will destroy Gensokyo if he wins. Just when he's started to show signs of changing. The first contradicts canon Byakuren's much more moderate position, the second felt a bit forced.

Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 13:45:32 No.16128030

>>16127846
>I've never read a Touhou fan fiction, but I could generally comprehend it as literally all the crappy memes and fanon distorsions
That's kind of my point. Fanfiction is far gone. It's a cesspit of awfulness and no amount of commentary will change that. Writing something as extensive as DitR to criticize fanfiction is pointless because any sane person who is on the internet long enough is painfully aware of how terrible fanfiction is.

Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 14:19:20 No.16128130

>>16128030
Sure, nobody wants to read that kind of fanfiction anymore. But the fanon versions of Touhou characters are still ingrained in many people's minds. Not to mention we still do get doujin with "le wacky day at SDM" as the plot. The point of DitR wasn't just encouraging people who wanted to write fanfiction to write decent fanfiction, it was also about encouraging people to delve deeper into canon, especially the lesser known works (spinoffs and print works), which go often unnoticed by a large portion of fandom.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 14:31:51 No.16128163 I want more non-edgy serious doujinshi. Most doujinshi are either tertiary yuri shit or comedy is grimdark.

Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 18:43:38 No.16129317

>>16128030
>any sane person who is on the internet long enough is painfully aware of how terrible fanfiction is.
If you only knew the depths of some of the cancers that are thankfully not translated for us and I won't mention by name so as to prevent it from spreading further than Japans immensely awful and stupid circlejerk.

Doujins in Japan are the equivalent of fanfiction.net or Deviantart, but being well drawn. There may be a handful of decent ones, but they're mostly all shit.
The dumber people will think it's good automatically if it has good art or regurgitates enough memeshit and then redistribute it everywhere for free VERY LOUDLY all across the internet creating more retards, because dumb secondaries and worse love using Touhous for stand-ins for anime stereotypes or worse to use as whatever the fuck they feel like with practically no fucks given for how they canonically actually are. This is why you can get various interpretations of edgelord touhous that range from burning down the human village to eating babies.
Think like the shitty e-celeb fanboys that keep shilling them in /v/.
Because even if they're doing it ironically, it's cancerous.

Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 19:06:10 No.16129402

>>16129317
I think you might need to rest a little bit from 4chan.

Amount of burn you get from fan works is truly worrying. Complaining that fan works do not always follow canon is the stupidest thing possible. And you're the only one to do it in this thread. Also I'm not even sure why you used /v/ and e-celebs as example because it doesn't make any sense. And why would you mention /v/ here at all?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 20:49:19 No.16129856 >>16127815 Even then it's utter shit. It fails at what it's doing and itself becomes it's own kind of cancer because the writer can't fucking write for shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 22:06:17 No.16130208 File: 639 KB, 1280x1814, DODO_036.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What did they mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 22:12:14 No.16130234 >>16130208 It's where they first met. Looks like the frog was the evil one with all of the penis monsters and snake was the good one at the head of a human army.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 22:27:03 No.16130300 >>16130234 Why are you prejudiced against penis monsters? You haven't made any effort to understand penis monster culture, you're just calling them evil based on their appearance.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 19, 2016 22:38:23 No.16130344 I think enjoying edgy things is fine as long as it doesn't get in the way of other themes. I purchased that doujin before it was translated and made up my own story. I like his art very much.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Nov 20, 2016 01:07:40 No.16130862 >>16129402 TL;DR: Dumb people can't tell canon from not-canon & try to impose it over canon with dumb people communities. Unfortunately they don't stay in their dumb people communities.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Nov 20, 2016 03:15:16 No.16131332 >>16130208 Suwa War. The penis demon is Mara from Megami Tensei. In another work by Zonouse, there's a cameo with Demifiend and Lucifer.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Nov 21, 2016 03:28:19 No.16136952 >>16130300 Tumblr pls go

>>	Anonymous Mon, Nov 21, 2016 19:21:36 No.16140706 >>16130344 I feel the same. Edgy stuff is like alcohol: It should be enjoyed in moderation.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 23, 2016 19:49:58 No.16151184 >>16140706 Alcohol should never be enjoyed in moderation. It should be drink until you feel numb

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 23, 2016 20:02:41 No.16151234 Touhou is neither fully happy or fully grimdark but it is primarily a humorous series more than anything

Anonymous Wed, Nov 23, 2016 20:06:58 No.16151243

>>16075422
I tend to like the more serious stuff, since Touhou itself isn't very serious (even when it deals with darker themes; although FS is pretty "heavy" in atmosphere)

Completely silly fanworks don't usually do much for me, though if it's light comedy (like Karaagetarou) I'll probably like it a lot.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 23, 2016 20:10:52 No.16151257 File: 306 KB, 1200x1703, xNgXyNNE_016.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This shit is probably my favorite. Vector Spectacle, by the way. Eagerly awaiting the next part.

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Canon is best.
Above posters have already described it as cute, but when you dig it gets darker.
I'd word it as "cute with dark borders".
The official works are cute nonsensical things with little consequences, but the things that have led to the premise are clearly dark in nature and implied to have happened.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 23, 2016 22:51:24 No.16151866 >>16151257 Vector Spectacle is probably my favorite comedy doujinshi ever

>>	Anonymous Thu, Nov 24, 2016 22:38:59 No.16157367 >>16075422 does Yukari really eat people

>>	Anonymous Thu, Nov 24, 2016 22:44:40 No.16157398 >>16157367 yeah

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 25, 2016 02:52:17 No.16158158 >>16157367 it's said all youkais attack people, although attack isn't necessary eat, see kogasa, and yukari makes people sleepwalk, so maybe no. Also the stronger the youkai less it needs to attack people

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>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 25, 2016 11:39:48 No.16159896 >>16157367 Uh huh. Feeds other youkai, too.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 25, 2016 14:18:52 No.16160592 >>16158206 This made me realize I need to carry a knife.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Nov 25, 2016 14:28:19 No.16160638 File: 54 KB, 496x326, extra.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16160592 >needing a knife Let the anger guide your hand

Anonymous Fri, Nov 25, 2016 18:09:41 No.16161820
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>>16157367
Maybe yes, maybe no, who knows. I wouldn't worry about it~
But seriously, there are some implications here and there. But ambiguity is ZUN's bread and butter, so make what you will of it.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 26, 2016 18:58:33 No.16167205 File: 615 KB, 1280x1826, 0008.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Was he trying to call her out?

Anonymous Sat, Nov 26, 2016 20:44:26 No.16167600

>>16161820
That seems like it would put her in a very ambiguous relationship with Reimu if it's true. Even if their interests align with a particular incident, it's one of Reimu's jobs to protect humans, isn't it? If Reimu found proof of Yukari being involved in something like this, wouldn't she be forced to try to stop her?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 26, 2016 20:49:31 No.16167619 >>16157367 That's just a silly rumor. Just because some youkai still eat humans doesn't mean every single one does.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 26, 2016 22:38:21 No.16168093 >>16167600 I don't think so, reimu doesn't have to protect all the humans, only the ones from human village

>>	Anonymous Sat, Nov 26, 2016 23:38:24 No.16168324 >>16168093 Or any which stumble onto Reimu's shrine. Which is mostly as "Stop crying I'm sending you home." And she boots em outside the border again. Possibly literally putting her boot in their ass.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Nov 27, 2016 03:48:48 No.16169062 >>16168324 has that ever happen.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Nov 27, 2016 04:05:10 No.16169115 >>16169062 It's described in the Outsider file for PMISS we never see it on screen as it's boring shit. It's in her job description.

Anonymous Sun, Nov 27, 2016 06:48:28 No.16169553

>>16167205
The youkai was calling her out, yes: but not about the habit of eating humans. The youkai was mocking Yukari's administration of Gensokyo, seen by him (or her?) just as trapping a goldfish in a bowl.
A guy on Dynasty Scans explained the metaphor really well. I have to admit this is one of Zonouse's best works, where he shows the darker side of Gensokyo without going nonsensically grimderp like in Kaminare.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Nov 27, 2016 09:14:36 No.16170000 >>16087203 No you SJW fatpride cunt, they do it to please other girls and youkai taking the form of girls. They want some hot yuri action. Why so homophobic, you bigoted autist?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Nov 27, 2016 09:45:16 No.16170124 >>16087203 According to legends even male foxes assume woman forms when transforming into humans, people are inclined to believe on them >>16168324 what was the odds of reaching hakurei shrine? 1%?

Anonymous Sun, Nov 27, 2016 21:13:20 No.16173180
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>>16169553
>The goldfish is the youkai and the bowl is Gensokyo.

When the youkai presents the bowl to Yukari, the premise that the goldfish "cannot live in water outside anymore" is similar to the youkai's situation. Which is: live in Gensokyo or die outside. Since the youkai was going to die soon, I suppose he presented the goldfish to Yukari as a final insult to her ideals.

Yukari and Ran understood his intentions right away. They were able to catch the metaphor easily perhaps because the Yakumos had some history with him as evident from the story.

Yukari did not want Chen to eat the goldfish in the same way that she does not want those living in Gensokyo to die despite being limited. However, she does realize that the goldfish will be limited by the tank and is troubled since she does not have an answer. She says to Chen, "if it ends up in someone's stomach, that too will be karma." since at that point she believed that perhaps fate has a better answer than she did. It is for this reason that she did not scold Ran, because Ran presented her an answer to that youkai's problem while she had none. Ran killed the youkai, and Yukari kept wondering if that was the right thing to do.

When the goldfish grew bigger, Yukari says, "well don't come crying to me when you change your mind [about eating it]." Or in other words she was telling herself, "if a youkai grew to resent Gensokyo for limiting them despite it being the only thing keeping them alive, not even I have an answer."

But Chen's answer "when I changed my mind [about eating it] it'll be because I know it's time to eat it." Was what solved her troubles. It means to her that there was nothing to regret about the youkai's death. The youkai died under Yukari's watch because she in her heart has always wanted him to die. In the end it seems that there was no real dissatisfaction among youkai regarding their lives in Gensoukyo. The youkai in this story alone had brought it up to bother Yukari. The truth was that only this youkai had grown incompatible with Gensoukyo, but was unable to do anything about his fate other than protest to Yukari.

At that moment Yukari realized the youkai died because he had given up on Gensoukyo, and Gensoukyo had given up on him. He has literally become too large for the "bowl (Gensokyo)," and it was time to "eat" him. Thus, she overcame her own troubles and had Ran make a feast to celebrate. It became clear to her that Gensokyo, or "the bowl" is not the problem. The youkai was the problem. and it released her from her doubt about the Gensokyo situation. It told her that her creation of Gensokyo wasn't as the youkai said, restrictive. It was a necessity. Goldfish cannot grow without a bowl.

Furthermore, the fish metaphor also extends to Reimu. Yukari watched her because Reimu was what came to her mind when she watched the goldfish. In a sense Reimu is a "big fish in a small bowl." She is much stronger than all of Gensokyo (at least for now). That is why in the last page Yukari kept using the fish metaphor for Reimu, saying, "she's more of a fighting fish than a goldfish." When talking about her behavior.

Fighting fish do not outgrow their bowl like goldfish, but instead like to monopolize it. Yukari is saying that she will never become like that youkai, thinking herself too great for Gensokyo. Although she will fight to keep Gensokyo her's, like how she keeps exterminating youkai.

I really enjoyed the story. The allegories kept the characters multi-dimensional. Despite their moral ambiguity, I can say that they still tried their best to do good. While I don't usually like stories that depict Reimu as a youkai exterminating tyrant, I was OK with this since the author did show her to love Gensokyo in her own way.

Really makes you think /jp/

Anonymous Sun, Nov 27, 2016 21:36:52 No.16173264

>>16173180
Seems kind of shortsighted, in such a way that I could never actually see Yukari getting bothered by it.

See, it's not like Gensoukyou is a trap, it's a reserve. It isn't a simple matter of "letting them go free" or "expanding the cage" or anything like that; youkai and gods were going extinct in the Outside World. Yukari, who loves fantasy, didn't want that to die and thus schemed to protect it for as long as possible (with any luck, forever). This is why the central conflict of Touhou is never "expanding" or "youkai freedom", it's "delicate balance". The humans in Gensoukyou could easily topple everything that Yukari and all other youkai benefit from, so the struggle is about keeping them ignorant, controlled, and weak. Reimu plays to this notion, though you could argue forever as to WHY. She just seems to have accepted Gensoukyou's (and thus Yukari's) ideals as "the way of things", and Reimu utmost values "the way of things"/"peace"/"order" etc.

Of course I dunno, I might be missing this stuff I brought up in discussion, I just came into the quote chain here.

Anonymous Sun, Nov 27, 2016 21:39:38 No.16173275

>>16173264
I should say it's also not about "letting the goldfish/youkai grow"; that's not really the concern as far as I'm aware; this is all purely about survival. The only times it wasn't were the attacks toward the moon, which seemed more personal than anything else.

Anonymous Sun, Nov 27, 2016 22:08:54 No.16173424
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Honestly, I enjoy both. I like that there are stories which depict the "every day life" with the necessary level of (often tentative) peace and cooperation among various parties for Gensokyo to make sense. I also enjoy the stories that pay homage to the historical and mythological influences behind characters and place them in an out-of-cannon situation. Both can be fun if done well.

Anonymous Mon, Nov 28, 2016 04:14:56 No.16174492

>>16173180
>It can no longer live in water from outside

since Gensokyo is a world closed off from the real world, it could be a metaphor from what yukari did for the survival of magical beings.
in other words he was trying to provoke yukari into a fight. Yukari dismiss, telling chen that she can eat it. Ran however fell for it.
the old man wanted yukari to kill him, instead of wasting away

>>	Anonymous Mon, Nov 28, 2016 17:59:12 No.16176950 >>16078727 What was the metaphor for this

>>	Anonymous Tue, Nov 29, 2016 08:57:18 No.16179981 >>16176950 Loving sommeone makes you edgu

>>	Anonymous Tue, Nov 29, 2016 14:08:42 No.16181217 >>16173264 I don't think reimu really minds too much of her job. I wold even dare say she is just as ignorant. there are some quotes you find interesting in this regard? https://youtu.be/2KlILxeNUmA

Anonymous Tue, Nov 29, 2016 15:56:38 No.16181689

>>16181217
Reimu is pretty much a simpleton. She does what she's "supposed to", whatever that entails. She does take it very seriously (see: Forbidden Scrollery when actual serious shit is up), but she's also pretty ignorant. She's lazy but when big issues come up she'll uphold Gensokyo's rules to a fault. If it's minor she doesn't care that much.

Anonymous Tue, Nov 29, 2016 16:03:42 No.16181728

>>16173424
About that, I really wish we can finally get the latest chapter of Soga no Tojiko will not Talk properly translated. The wait is killing me. A shame Cis is interested more in the botesluts nowadays...

>>16176950
The despair Koishi has caused to Satori, who loved her sister despite the whole world hating her, and Koishi running away from her problems, when everyone else (in the doors) has problems as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Nov 29, 2016 16:26:36 No.16181811 File: 427 KB, 1029x1595, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I dislike this for example.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Nov 29, 2016 16:34:52 No.16181840 >>16181811 Even without context, it's Medicine. She already deserves it.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Nov 29, 2016 17:04:23 No.16181955 >>16181840 That's not my preference.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Nov 29, 2016 18:11:06 No.16182241 File: 578 KB, 1061x1500, Medicine Melancholy 14.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16181840 Medicine doesn't deserve it!

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 30, 2016 00:05:39 No.16183901 >>16182241 she does.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 30, 2016 06:45:57 No.16185135 >>16181811 Source

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 30, 2016 07:10:41 No.16185214 >>16182241 Medicine needs more happy books. She just gets creepy GrimDark shit and flat out toddlercon stories. Why doesn't anyone give Medicine any happy stories?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 30, 2016 07:46:43 No.16185288 >>16185214 Because she's a creepy homicidal killer who doesn't care about humanity in the slightest...? She doesn't even have a good reason for her tendencies, unlike Koishi, Eirin or whoever.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 30, 2016 08:28:07 No.16185421 >>16185214 Because she's a bitter asshole.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Nov 30, 2016 13:42:38 No.16186623 File: 3.02 MB, 2480x3507, how to get food poisoning.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16185135 Took a quick search. It's Ningyou Kakumei. >>16185214 Simply put, she loves gassing people. Do you really need any more of a reason?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 1, 2016 20:31:36 No.16193472 >>16186623 >Simply put, she loves gassing people. Do you really need any more of a reason? I didn't know she was german.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 2, 2016 11:54:06 No.16196202 File: 122 KB, 634x800, giftgas.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16193472 She learnt from the very best.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Dec 3, 2016 04:48:44 No.16200045 File: 307 KB, 850x1211, __imaizumi_kagerou_and_sekibanki_touhou_drawn_by_zounose__sample-6f4c64ba58020b06efb71c17d63dd1b2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat, Dec 3, 2016 05:24:30 No.16200128 >>16181811 But why chikuwa?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Dec 4, 2016 09:05:32 No.16205291 >>16200128 Why not?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 5, 2016 17:56:02 No.16213682 File: 116 KB, 850x529, __kaenbyou_rin_kaenbyou_rin_komeiji_koishi_komeiji_satori_and_reiuji_utsuho_fallout_fallout_3_and_touhou_drawn_by_zounose__sample-1c7fb36c375b415cb4a10464a1b095ef.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Who worships okuu.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Dec 7, 2016 04:51:17 No.16221057 File: 295 KB, 850x1200, __kochiya_sanae_and_moriya_suwako_touhou_drawn_by_zounose__50e168280edcb8cc3a017d115a67639e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's the deal with Suwako and Sanae? Aren't they related?

Anonymous Wed, Dec 7, 2016 06:09:28 No.16221231
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>>16221057
I'm fine with redesigning a character to fit one's art style - like Imizu and Reisen - but I can never understand why the need to remake the personality as well.
What, Suwako's not creepy enough for Zounose?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Dec 7, 2016 06:52:43 No.16221337 >>16221231 Course not. He doesn't give a shit about canon personalities. He needs to GRIMDARK everything so he can pump up the edge to max.

Anonymous Wed, Dec 7, 2016 07:10:17 No.16221391

>>16221337
To be fair, his work isn't exactly as dark as most people make it out to be.

Like, if Touhou canon is bright with a darker undertone, then Zounose's work is dark with a brighter undertone.

Or maybe I'm just too used to the whole grim shit that I'd consider it like that. A terrifying prospect, really.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Dec 7, 2016 07:25:57 No.16221429 Why do people get so triggered over anything that isn't happy go lucky stuff? It's almost as if people never read anything other than the games' excuse for a plot.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Dec 7, 2016 07:58:43 No.16221526 >>16221429 The only thing I see is people that like edgy stuff complaining about that people does not also love it. This might be a surprise but everyone does not like edgy grimdark stuff.

Anonymous Wed, Dec 7, 2016 08:04:26 No.16221547

>>16221526
It's actually the complete opposite. People who like fanmade stuff that is either sad or a bit dark try to enjoy themselves, then some idiot comes over and goes "hurr grimdark edgy out" as if people weren't allowed to like anything that isn't happy go lucky.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Dec 7, 2016 08:12:24 No.16221576 >>16221526 >>16221547 Both happened, believe me. I like throwing fuel into the fire after all.

Anonymous Wed, Dec 7, 2016 10:01:43 No.16221917

>>16221231
He does like to highlight the fact that Suwako controls gods of curses and since Kanako is the one managing Moriya Shrine's PR, she's got much less responsability.
Conversely, I'm surprised by how he DOESN'T portray Kanako as the megalomaniac, businesswoman-like goddess she's usually seen as. Instead, his Kanako is quite humane and often conforts Sanae. I actually find that sometimes she's too tame (e.g.: in Kaminare), when in canon she doesn't have any problem with clashing against the tengus' will, like in the article about her cablecar brought by Reimu at the end of the symposium in SoPM.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Dec 7, 2016 10:30:41 No.16221993 >>16221917 Too bad he butchers everyone's character. I mean fuck the Byakuren one was on Stripe Pattern tier for character assassination.

Anonymous Wed, Dec 7, 2016 10:45:25 No.16222040
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>>16126371
no really it's kind of gross how he insist on making everything grimdark
like how he turn grim dark the fact that the buddhist crew turn corpse into fertiliser
you could write as some buddhist philosophy about reincarnation and stuff loke that, but instead he chose to go super gore and gross for the sake of it
that's just one example, it's often like that

the story about suwako creating a frog-cult and having to kill them because the frog started frog sacrifice is just silly how it is overplayed

the story about momiji is the same, it's just about some hunting and identity issue and he spins that in grimdark way

he just really like doing that kind of stories, though it's really forced, despite gensokyo having some place for it (akyuu's fate, youkai eating peoples, yukari spiriting away people for food, suwako being a cursed god, etc)

Anonymous Wed, Dec 7, 2016 10:55:38 No.16222065

>>16222040
The Remilia one is just as weird. Oh it's about her dealing with the fact she'll outlive Sakuya.

TIME TO HACK OFF HER LEG AND PERMANENTLY GIMP HER!

The only one that's avoiding that one is the natural disaster story and I have a feeling that's tied more towards feelings of the '11 Quake and Tsunami.

It's the only book of his where it feels remotely like it's in Gensokyo without any real forced Grimdark bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Dec 7, 2016 20:53:06 No.16224902 File: 96 KB, 850x804, __hijiri_byakuren_touhou_drawn_by_zounose__sample-743b9de90dffe7a92972a01e3df2a39c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16221337 So Hijiri Isn't a Sith lord?

Anonymous Thu, Dec 8, 2016 00:17:23 No.16225595
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>>16222040
>like how he turn grim dark the fact that the buddhist crew turn corpse into fertiliser

Byakuren, being a Buddhist serves two populations in this: youkai and humans. By taking the corpses of humans dead from other causes, she provides an outlet for her youkai friends to maintain civility and control over their baser instincts.

For the humans? She provides a spiritual service. She provides them detachment in death. As for the bodies, lifeless and soulless?

She doesn't give three fucks, properly, if rather coldly, being a Buddhist. They're just vessels of attachment to a life already ended.

However, the entire process is completely peaceful. No one got hurt to do it, and less are potentially hurt. The fact that she's brought together a loop of NET-GOOD karma from what is unmistakably brutal but dogmatically defensible and understandable is what amazes and terrifies me. It's at once full of impartial compassion for each being she contacts, and hideously raw.

Real Tibetan funerary ritual itself has the monks ritually taking apart a corpse with prayer and knives to vultures and hatchets much like Myouren and her gardening tools and her garden.

>T. from a actual buddhist

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 8, 2016 00:28:09 No.16225625 >>16225595 Thank you for your perspective.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 8, 2016 04:09:09 No.16226340 File: 50 KB, 600x450, __ibuki_suika_moriya_suwako_and_rumia_touhou_drawn_by_zounose__c3250a73bb9576888e733880ff9e330f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16225625 no problem anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 8, 2016 05:29:37 No.16226553 >>16225595 I think she had to do it 'brutally' and in such a gross manner to satisfy the Youkai, beings that naturally depend on fear and grossing out humans.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 8, 2016 05:53:00 No.16226618 File: 160 KB, 800x800, __konpaku_youmu_touhou_drawn_by_zounose__388e74014caaf5332750ad418699f702.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16226553 ???

Anonymous Thu, Dec 8, 2016 06:06:06 No.16226652
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>>16221993
>I mean fuck the Byakuren one was on Stripe Pattern tier for character assassination.
All she wanted was Equality. Both for Humans and Youkai. Its not her fault humans were bastards who only think for themselves

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 8, 2016 06:07:49 No.16226655 File: 412 KB, 842x1200, MR-18404-283784-44.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16226652 she only went mentally insane when she was trying to understand human hypocrisy

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 8, 2016 06:09:28 No.16226664 File: 510 KB, 842x1200, MR-18404-283784-45.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16221993 She even questions them, before they try to kill her. They force her to take self-defense.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 8, 2016 06:10:42 No.16226668 File: 535 KB, 842x1200, MR-18404-283784-46.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16221993 She even lambaste them for their hypocritical nature. the Humans were in the wrong.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 8, 2016 06:11:46 No.16226671 File: 1.29 MB, 1692x1200, MR-18404-283784-47.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16221993 So tell me why how her character was butchered?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 8, 2016 06:13:31 No.16226675 File: 452 KB, 842x1200, MR-18404-283784-48.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16221993 Final page of her speech..

Anonymous Thu, Dec 8, 2016 06:44:58 No.16226780

>>16226664
Except, humans and youkai are inherently incompatible with each other, what with one's survival resting primarily on harming the other.

So whereas humans could technically cohabit, or at least coexist, with youkai at a lack of hostility, youkai attempting the same would ring their own death knell. This is touched on in Symposium, actually - which is also where you can see Byakuren skirting the idea that her officially proclaimed methods aren't working out that well.

Anonymous Thu, Dec 8, 2016 06:57:02 No.16226814

>>16226655
humans and youkai are different by definition
yes it is really that bad because people don't want to be eaten
>>16226664
spoiler alert when the one side's existence literally depends on antagonizing the other they're probably going to want to fight back
>>16226668
how anime it is to say "lol contradiction you're all unreasonable and are bad" when you strawman and generalize huge swathes of people you oppose
>>16226671
"i can't think of any alternatives to solve this dilemma so i'm just gonna kill people"

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 8, 2016 10:02:52 No.16227306 >>16226814 Well She's being a HARD WOMAN MAKING HARD DECISIONS! Which is pretty much saying taking the easy way out. Still it's par for the course on just how OOC she is

Anonymous Thu, Dec 8, 2016 21:11:17 No.16230543 [DELETED]

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>>16225595
>the story about momiji is the same, it's just about some hunting and identity issue and he spins that in grimdark way

That wasn't Grimdark as much as it was tragic/angsty To be honest...the wolf pretending to be a wolf while trying not to. Makes you think..

Anonymous Thu, Dec 8, 2016 21:13:21 No.16230560
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>>16222040
>the story about momiji is the same, it's just about some hunting and identity issue and he spins that in grimdark way

That wasn't Grimdark as much as it was tragic/angsty To be honest...the wolf pretending to be a wolf while trying not to. Makes you think..

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 9, 2016 05:29:55 No.16232140 File: 186 KB, 1280x1823, Love_And_Peace_033.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16227306 Quiet. Hijiri was a strong and indepedent woman who did what was right.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 9, 2016 19:31:54 No.16235494 File: 437 KB, 715x1115, 1478565875494.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why do people hate Yakumi Sarai?

Anonymous Fri, Dec 9, 2016 23:51:44 No.16236413

>>16151234
It's more like strange unsettling cartoon. Take examples from the manga :

>Reimu and Marisa walk around the Forest of Magic purposely getting squirrels drunk to try finding a youkai solely out of curiosity
>Cirno eats a bunch of poisonous mushrooms and has hallucinations all night
>Remilia adopts a bunch of hobgoblins and has a pet chupacabra
>Marisa accidentally releases a fucking evil dragon, then just lets it go because it promises her a nice present
>Star Sapphire blows up Reimu and the front of the Hakurei shrine. With a fucking bomb.
>Sanae spends like half a chapter of WaHH thinking that Pikachu is poisoning her friends
>Suika gets drunk and decides that pretending to be the wind would be fun, so she turns herself into mist and just goes around attacking people.
>Reimu apparently keeps a kitsune bound and gagged in the shrine for, like, a week.
>The kappa find a seal and make a kappa Sea World with it.
>Patchouli trips in the library and spends like an entire day buried under books.
>The Three Fairies of Light fight a tiny puppy and lose.
>That time there was an entire manga about Remilia building a rocket and invading the moon.
>Marisa gets into a fight with a plant and loses.
>Eirin Yagokoro, the great sage of the moon, lies to a bunch of fairies to cheat them out of a jug of booze.
>The Fairies of Light trick Reimu into walking across a river, but she doesn’t even notice because a bunch of fish jump up and make a bridge for her.

Anonymous Sat, Dec 10, 2016 00:06:19 No.16236472

People talking about zounose being grimdark infuriate me to no end. Do you not know what grimdark means? It means ridiculously, stupidly, pointlessly edgy. It's the sort of story that does absolutely every bad thing it can, for no other reason than because it can. When you read an actually grimdark story, you can picture the writer sitting in room full of people trying to find a way to make his story less edgy, and he's going "LOL NOPE" every time and writing a reason it can't be because everything is absolutely positively terrible forever no matter what.
And that's not Zounose, not even close, not by any stretch.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Dec 10, 2016 00:26:33 No.16236537 >>16236413 Looney Tunes Touhou when?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Dec 10, 2016 00:32:22 No.16236546 >>16236413 Putting it like that... Touhou really is its own beast, isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Dec 10, 2016 00:42:40 No.16236581 File: 73 KB, 341x846, 1481348560263.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16157367 Yes.... Sexually

>>	Anonymous Sat, Dec 10, 2016 20:15:05 No.16240516 File: 211 KB, 800x1247, 1478565875494.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16236581 Who can Blame her.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Dec 11, 2016 07:45:06 No.16242741 File: 544 KB, 862x1920, 1481450995658.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16236413 Touhou is star wars?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Dec 11, 2016 08:20:54 No.16242938 >>16236413 For the series "if you are a human might as well kill yourself, is less painful that way"

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 12, 2016 02:54:31 No.16247532 >>16127079 What did Zounose mean by this

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 12, 2016 08:51:12 No.16248536 File: 408 KB, 849x1213, Charin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16075422 Slice of life with a tinge of dark themes and mythology is my sweet spot, like in the canon comics or pic related.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Dec 13, 2016 02:40:30 No.16252829 File: 120 KB, 500x476, 1481477236110.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16248536 So subtle?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Dec 13, 2016 23:22:55 No.16257643 Why do people consider zounose edgy

Anonymous Tue, Dec 13, 2016 23:33:18 No.16257672

>>16257643
He takes interesting ideas (Is Remilia just going to let Sakuya defy her, no questions asked? How is Gensokyo getting all that fucking food anyway? What does it mean when beast youkai form civilized societies?) and then runs them in disturbing directions, which people find to be a pointlessly edgy take on the setting.

Anonymous Tue, Dec 13, 2016 23:51:00 No.16257725

>>16257672
I recognize Canni-Can and Hunting Dog's Fang, but is the first one supposed to be Vintage?

Even then, only the first two is actually edgy, as far as the story goes. HDF is more tragic angsty drama than anything.

Unless you want to say hunting and killing animal is edgy, then I have no response to that.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Dec 14, 2016 02:41:36 No.16258152 >>16222065 She wasn't gimped though. She got a cool magitech prosthesis from Alice. She actually got cooler.

Anonymous Wed, Dec 14, 2016 03:16:56 No.16258265 [DELETED]

>>16258152
Humans no longer need to eat meat to survive. We can finally grow enough vegetables and fruits to sustain ourselves in the present and in the future. The need to raise animals only to slaughter them because a minority of the human race refuses to give up the old way is edgy and animal cruelty.

Anonymous Wed, Dec 14, 2016 03:18:44 No.16258268

>>16257725
Humans no longer need to eat meat to survive. We can finally grow enough vegetables and fruits to sustain ourselves in the present and in the future. The need to raise animals only to slaughter them because a minority of the human race refuses to give up the old way is edgy and animal cruelty.

Anonymous Wed, Dec 14, 2016 08:55:55 No.16259509

>>16257725
I found Vintage pretty stupid, considering there are much better ways to remember Sakuya than a chopped off leg that once it's eaten it's gone. I also laught at how dumb Remilia is when she reminds Alice she's a youkai as well, when a magician youkai doesn't need food.
The only ones I truly have problems with are the ones with Myouren Temple and fucking Kaminare.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Dec 14, 2016 18:19:30 No.16261721 >>16259509 Myouren temple one was explained by an actual Buddhist. Turns out its not as edgy as people thought

Anonymous Wed, Dec 14, 2016 21:26:24 No.16262568

>>16259509
>Kaminare
I don't know, I think Kaminare is the only one I find excusable.
After all, there's really no other way one can show Sanae's hesitation to ascend to godhood other than consuming human flesh.
Unless it was stated anywhere that she dislike eating some kind of food, in which case it is pointless.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Dec 14, 2016 22:47:01 No.16262854 >>16259509 >Kaminare Refresh my memory, what's wrong with that one?

Anonymous Wed, Dec 14, 2016 22:53:45 No.16262870
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>>16262854
One of the main ideas in Yakumi Sarai's works is that Gensokyo is the last resting place of things that are no longer believed in. In this case, human sacrifice was abolished in the outside world and so it now has to exist in Gensokyo because it is the very nature of Gensokyo is to carry on with the customs that no longer practiced outside. Failing to follow the custom would defeat the country's whole purpose and presumably do irreparable damage to the magic that maintains it. Yakumi Sarai plays this sort of tragic situation very well in my opinion.

Anonymous Thu, Dec 15, 2016 03:34:44 No.16263588

>>16261721
But I'm fine with the general idea: those babies weren't killed for the purpose of being eaten, they died naturally and they happened to be eaten. My problem is that Myouren Temple here is a bunch of two faced pricks: the parents don't know their kids' bodies are being eaten. If they were informed and they were willing to offer those lifeless bodies, it would be ok. But Myouren Temple is just betraying those people's trust. Not only that, but they all (Byakuren included) drink booze whenever they like: this contradicts Byakuren's portrayal in SoPM. Unless one wants to claim that her entire character is a facade, but would someone who only pursues her interest go as far as getting sealed for helping others? If she were this supposed mastermind, she would have stepped back and forsook the youkai folks as soon as she realized things were getting dangerous for her. Canon Byakuren is a good person and tries her best: it's the other Myouren fuckers who give her a bad rep in front of Miko and the others.
>>16262870
First of all, I still don't think a practice would drift into Gensokyo in the same way beings and objects do. You don't see Gensokyo denizens dressing as cavemen just because people here stopped doing that. Also, Gensokyo can and does change: Kanako is changing her status into a goddess of progress and she's perfectly fine with using nuclear fusion energy and installing a cablecar on Youkai Mountain, even if it means going against the tengu: but no, here she acts like the newcomer and tengus decide what to do. And of course, it's an OC who's getting sacrificed and since it's an OC it's acceptable: what if Marisa happened to be the sacrifice, even if she's a Kirisame? Reimu would have rescued her because their friendship is more important and blabla. The poor guy wasn't even a useless/suicidal person like the ones Yukari gaps in: he proved to be a hard work lover and could have been more productive than the ones surrounding him. Disgusted with Keine's attitude as well: no one gives a damn about your sorriness, if you truly cared about your student, you would have savee him. No amount of words of regret can bring back the dead.
As soon as she became a goddess, Sanae didn't even care, at least I can give Keine that, I suppose.

Anonymous Thu, Dec 15, 2016 17:37:36 No.16266649

>>16236472
''in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war''
what you means is grimderp, which is grim dark taken seriously. grimdark is kind of cynical, like >>16126534 said.
the thing with zounose is that, it feels really forced. Suwako is the best example. In canon, she's both probably the oldest thing in gensokyo, a curse-goddess, but at the same time a mischievious little shit, fairy style.
Zounose portrayal is like: ''i'm a curse goddess i'm so dark and edgy''. He put darkness where there is no needs to.
but his work is still readable, i've saw worse touhou doujin (cough cough walfas cough cough)

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 15, 2016 18:11:20 No.16266780 >>16236413 >>The Three Fairies of Light fight a tiny puppy and lose. What? Where? That puppy may make a fine wardog, I tell you.

Anonymous Thu, Dec 15, 2016 23:42:13 No.16267766
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>>16266649
>the thing with zounose is that, it feels really forced. Suwako is the best example. In canon, she's both probably the oldest thing in gensokyo, a curse-goddess, but at the same time a mischievous little shit, fairy style.

I Like the Suwako he makes. it also somewhat fits with what Zun said about her.

Though she feigns ignorance, Suwako is just as capable of scheming as Kanako.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 16, 2016 00:04:05 No.16267825 >>16267766 Yeah, no. The keyword here is: >she feigns ignorance In that Suwako's cunning mind is a lot more subtle than Kanako is. Zounose making Suwako a blood-licking, creepy in-your-face cursing goddess is not at all subtle. Like, at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 16, 2016 00:14:51 No.16267859 File: 608 KB, 1125x1600, 11 (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16075422 I really like the Yamame

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 16, 2016 00:48:19 No.16267955 >>16075422 grim dark arr day erry day

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 16, 2016 02:01:03 No.16268114 File: 70 KB, 1129x1600, 021.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16267859 Ya' know... I really like that representation of Yamame even though that doujin was pure hentai

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 16, 2016 22:57:28 No.16272188 File: 894 KB, 1125x1600, 10.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16268114 >Ya' know... I really like that representation of Yamame even though that doujin was pure hentai I know what you mean. it would have been better if it wasn't a hentai

>>	Anonymous Sat, Dec 17, 2016 15:37:45 No.16274563 >>16075422 I don't like Grimderp stuff. It's always edgy for the sake of being edgy, and it completely ignores all the writing.

Anonymous Sat, Dec 17, 2016 17:16:27 No.16275003
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>>16267859
>>16272188
I liked how it transitioned somewhat smoothly into the cheerful, friendly canon Yamame near the end.

God, I hate those monstershit legs though. Could have done without them.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Dec 18, 2016 19:48:04 No.16280526 File: 884 KB, 1119x1600, 1482108484995.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16275003 >I liked how it transitioned somewhat smoothly into the cheerful, friendly canon Yamame near the end. It's still creepy that they showed her as a Cannibal

>>	Anonymous Sun, Dec 18, 2016 22:10:56 No.16281256 >>16280526 Youkai eating humans isn't cannibalism.

Anonymous Mon, Dec 19, 2016 02:34:19 No.16282131
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>>16275003
>monstershit legs
Sure. Some artists do it right but some don't. Onibi of Retribution was part of one of my favourite grim-dark touhou doujin stories that try to do a edgy depressing origins but in this case, and my opinion, they did it right.
Yamame's representation here too was good and spot on when describing youkai as man-eating monsters and even showed her with 'monstershit legs' but sometimes its nice to show that not all youkai are pure human looking compared to fucking horrifying monsters what they're supposed to look like. Like something what Zounose sometimes does. >>16173180

>>	Anonymous Tue, Dec 20, 2016 08:34:54 No.16287856 >>16282131 Nice review. Is there any more that are similar to the Uamame and onibi of retribution

Anonymous Tue, Dec 20, 2016 08:45:26 No.16287893
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>>16282131
You know as well as I do it's purely fetishistic in a majority of depictions. You can tell by them being NOT like real, actual spider legs.

For instance, in A Disease Woman's Story Yamame's appendages have only as many joints as human legs. Of course, that's a H doujin, so there you go. It's still the same case for much non-H art that goes for the spidery angle.

Nothing against fully humanoid Yamame's legs, though.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 22, 2016 04:17:33 No.16297143 >>16281256 Then what is it called if not Cannibalism.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 22, 2016 04:46:03 No.16297254 >>16297143 I dunno, what do you call it when you eat pig or cow or chicken?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 22, 2016 04:46:31 No.16297255 >>16297143 Eating. Much like how a human (mammal) eats a cow (also a mammal). Really, the only example of straight up cannibalism in his work would be Kaminare or Hungry Tiger (by a stretch, anyway).

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 22, 2016 04:48:37 No.16297260 >>16297255 His work? We're not talking about Zounose.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 22, 2016 04:55:47 No.16297285 >>16297260 Whoops, lost my train of thoughts there. Sorry about that. My point still stands though: a youkai eating a human is not cannibalism.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 22, 2016 15:23:20 No.16299398 >>16297143 >>16297255 >>16297285 it's anthropophagy isn't it ? literally human eating

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 22, 2016 15:43:36 No.16299484 >>16297254 >>16297255 >implying sapient creature being eaten == normal animal being eaten Gas the youkai race war now

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 22, 2016 16:05:50 No.16299585 >>16299484 >implying humans are some special snowflake because we build big shit and kill each other in big ways Human please.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 22, 2016 16:31:53 No.16299684 What's it called if I eat a mermaid like Wakasagihime so I can live a long time? She's half fish, half human, all youkai.

Anonymous Thu, Dec 22, 2016 18:41:07 No.16300220

>>16299398
>anthropophagy
What do you know, there is a word for that.
Though I think 'man-eating' would be fine enough.

>>16299484
Anon, dear, cannibalism by our definition is a human eating another human.
So unless you're saying the youkai are human - which is weird in itself - then it's not cannibalism.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 22, 2016 18:46:58 No.16300250 File: 102 KB, 600x600, waggy_landed.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16299684 Eating a fish covered in your own semen.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 22, 2016 22:13:55 No.16300993 >>16226655 >human hypocrisy If anyone is an hypocrite, that is Byakuren herself.

Anonymous Thu, Dec 22, 2016 23:22:55 No.16301142

My only problem with edgy/grimdark stuff is that they never accomplish anything interesting.
For example, the Zounose story where Sanae has to eat a human sacrifice. It would have been way more interesting if she disrupted the festival, broke spellcard rules ro did something that depowers/kills Kanako but no, all we got is her eating it anyway with some symbolism in her ornaments breaking. It's like no one ever wants to break the status quo.

Anonymous Thu, Dec 22, 2016 23:50:01 No.16301203
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>>16301142
>disrupted the festival
>broke spellcard rules
>did something that depowers/kills Kanako
You do realize that would just lead to more people getting angry about it, right?

>It's like no one ever wants to break the status quo
You know what happened when someone tried to do that? 'Diamonds in the Rough' happened.
So unless you want to say DitR is a good story, then I suggest to not go too far from what was established.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 22, 2016 23:51:58 No.16301211 >>16301203 >this thing broke the status quo badly >therefore you cannot break the status quo without doing it just as badly I expect better from /jp/.

Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2016 00:01:00 No.16301226

>>16301142
>It's like no one ever wants to break the status quo.
Well, they're Japanese. For characters, maintaining the status quo simply runs in the blood.

If you want status quo breakers, though, it's not like there aren't any. Try any of these:

Vermillion Moon, Jasper Star
Dream and Reality
Utsuho of the Void
Laughing Cresent Moon
Komeiji Koishi's Heart-Throbbing Adventure

I'm not going to promise that they're quality work, but they are, well, out of the ordinary.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2016 00:05:17 No.16301238 >>16099015 I do know about Diamond in The Rough, but what does KKHTA stand for ? Is it more Walfas crap ?

Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2016 00:08:21 No.16301248

>>16301238
Komeiji Koishi's Heart-Throbbing Adventure, a Japanese hand-drawn video series. It starts off with half of Gensokyo going insane and murdering each other and I'm not quite sure what happened after that.

That said, I wouldn't call it "pretentious" or "overly cynical."

Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2016 00:13:03 No.16301258

>>16301211
I also expect people to know that 'interesting things' in storytelling should not break away from what was established.
Unless 'reader punch' was what it's trying to accomplish, in which case I'd say "fuck it".
Also, I never say you can't. Just that the example you gave is comparable.

Oh, and I also expect an anon in /jp/ to know that one person in /jp/ disagreeing does not equal the entire board disagreeing.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2016 00:19:52 No.16301272 >>16301203 >>16301226 Well, I'm not asking for a full-on original storyline, just something more than "grimdark thing happen but oh well".

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2016 00:24:05 No.16301278 I do like when their more "human" sides are explored. Not necessarily grimdark, but flawed all the same.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2016 03:44:40 No.16301750 >>16301203 >You know what happened when someone tried to do that? I thought Reimu or Yukari or anyone in a position of power kills those who try to disrupt the Status quo

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2016 08:52:48 No.16302571 >>16301248 Oh, I already watched that one, guess I didn't have the brains to connect the dots and make up the acronym. Thanks for clarifying anyways.

Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2016 11:11:12 No.16302990

>>16301258
>I also expect people to know that 'interesting things' in storytelling should not break away from what was established.
That's hilarious you say that, since what anon said would be perfectly within Sanae's character (except killing Kanako, obviously).

Really, by bringing up DitR of all things, and out of nowhere like that, you're just opposed to anything that even slightly unbalances the status quo.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2016 11:53:37 No.16303130 >>16301142 Good thing we've got slice of life doujins where lots of interesting events happen, right?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2016 23:28:31 No.16305658 >>16299585 anon, in the end youkai are just imagination, thoughts given form why do you think they struggle to keep their little zoo safe when humans thrive outside?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Dec 24, 2016 02:58:40 No.16306185 File: 581 KB, 1200x1762, 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16299585 >implying humans and Youkai can't mate and make children Its cannibalism

>>	Anonymous Sat, Dec 24, 2016 03:47:58 No.16306268 >>16306185 What in the actual fuck is this abomination of a translation.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Dec 24, 2016 04:20:26 No.16306317 File: 633 KB, 1200x1759, 4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16306268 A hentai Book

>>	Anonymous Sun, Dec 25, 2016 00:43:09 No.16309789 Youkai eat a sentient Being. Therefore they are cannibals. Therefore we should exterminarte them

>>	Anonymous Sun, Dec 25, 2016 00:58:49 No.16309820 >>16306268 Anon, meet CGrascal. CGrascal, anon. One of you will soon hate the other, but know that said other doesn't give a shit what you think.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Dec 25, 2016 01:01:50 No.16309827 File: 23 KB, 386x279, emperor.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16309789 Youkai do not exist. Therefore they cannot be exterminated. They are merely the feverish dreams of some sad fool from a past age.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Dec 25, 2016 04:06:47 No.16310348 >>16309820 I know CGrascal. This is just worse than usual.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Dec 25, 2016 09:34:07 No.16311236 >>16310348 CGrascal is a good translator

>>	Anonymous Sun, Dec 25, 2016 09:49:46 No.16311291 >>16305658 They don't really seem like they're 'struggling', anon. They just don't want anything to do with us. That's fine.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Dec 25, 2016 09:52:15 No.16311297 It's all fanfiction. Stop taking it so seriously. Just as you'll find works like the ones that make everything too grimdark, you'll find others that make things too sweet and bright

>>	Anonymous Sun, Dec 25, 2016 12:21:35 No.16311877 >>16087373 You just jumped from shit to another shit. I praised moeshit too when I was teen. That's not improvement at all.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Dec 25, 2016 16:02:18 No.16312652 >>16311297 This. Although I prefer the latter as it doesn't butcher facsimiles of characters I like for "edge."

>>	Anonymous Sun, Dec 25, 2016 16:07:17 No.16312671 CGRascal isn't that bad. Sure, he words things too literally sometimes or adds question marks everywhere but at least you can still understand it, and most of his translations are done for free anyways, don't get all the hate for him desu.

Anonymous Mon, Dec 26, 2016 03:31:51 No.16314749
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>>16312671
>CGRascal isn't that bad. Sure, he words things too literally sometimes or adds question marks everywhere but at least you can still understand it, and most of his translations are done for free anyways, don't get all the hate for him desu.
CGRascal please work on your English grammar.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Dec 26, 2016 16:07:02 No.16317375 File: 516 KB, 1072x1500, 06_0007.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16311236 >CGrascal is a good translator Said no man.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Dec 27, 2016 21:58:37 No.16323586 File: 164 KB, 1017x637, 1482367061858.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is rabbit hunting allowed

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 29, 2016 09:27:37 No.16330811 >>16311297 Why you got to ruin the fun

Anonymous Fri, Dec 30, 2016 05:25:43 No.16335940

>>16225595
I haven't read the doujin, but in Japan treating corpses that way would pose a problem. Not without first strongly establishing the people in the fact that there are no consequences for the dead in doing it. As far as I know the sky burial practice in Tibet developed out of the fact that regular burial is impractical and firewood to go around in large enough quantities to cremate every dying person isn't available. The Japanese people would probably be initially strongly opposed to the idea.
With that aside though, I think Byakuren's "solution" to provide release for youkai by letting them act on their instincts goes against her character, which aims at making youkai sustain themselves in other ways than being violent. It certainly goes against Buddhism. Otherwise the Buddha would have suggested things like occasionally killing or occasionally insulting people if not doing it creates imbalance for the person, but it is precisely that imbalance that his teachings aim to correct.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 30, 2016 10:17:02 No.16336802 >>16085274 I loved the zoilent green one

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 30, 2016 10:30:30 No.16336846 File: 38 KB, 362x346, 1482780517410.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16335940 Isn't Byakuren a heretic due to her false teachings?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 30, 2016 10:38:33 No.16336880 File: 457 KB, 1280x1835, Canni_Can_54.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16336802 would you like to get eaten?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 30, 2016 11:48:11 No.16337107 File: 229 KB, 876x1440, 1373220594434.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16173180 What is the name of this work? It's a doujin or an official manga?

Anonymous Fri, Dec 30, 2016 13:24:20 No.16337396
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Canon is best. Gensokyo is a really great setting. Touhou is tough because not anythnig is really like it out there. Touhou primarily involves a bunch of girls smugging at each other but there's quite a bit more going on beneath the surface with respect to how Gensokyo operates and the various factions in it vying for control and power through the humans.

In terms of looking at it I think >>16151234 has it mostly right. I find the wide majority of canon works to at least be somewhat humorous in nature. It doesn't take it too seriously, unless the situation calls for it. Canon typically walks the line of serious and goofy very well. particularly both WaHH and FS do a good job of it. The Lunarian series did as well; Inaba is one of my favorite manga works in the series despite being pretty much all fun stuff. But almost all of the official works show both sides of the setting, which is important I think.

If I could only choose one though I'd prefer a light-hearted work. I think those when bad are primarily simply inoffensive, where an overly grim work can go too far in a dumb direction and result in things like gore and slaughter and just have entirely unfitting characters. A work that's pretty much all lighthearted like VFiS is a nice read even if not much happens, and when things get a bit too grim you tend to get shitposting and people inserting their headcanons more and more like you did with the Fortune Teller in FS. It's tough to play the games where they're all bantering and saying silly things and then consider the setting to be onesidedly dark to the point of edgy.

That being said a more serious story can be very good if it doesn't go too overboard. I quite like Goldfish Bowl. But I think what I liked more about Goldfish Bowl was it discussing the nature of Gensokyo and its inhabitants, not devolving into overt violence between the Touhou characters. Using an unnamed youkai was much better than seeing one of the actual characters die. It had its own lighthearted moments as well.

>>16236413
Really, this all reads as like a slapstick comedy, which I guess is what Touhou kind of is.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 30, 2016 14:47:05 No.16337690 >>16337396 Touhou is a very nuanced series, stylistically. Autists can't handle nuance, so it always becomes a binary thing between goofy and grim, even though 2hu's charm is the ability to move within the spectrum, like actual fairy tales.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 30, 2016 16:21:54 No.16338134 >>16336880 Not literally.

Anonymous Fri, Dec 30, 2016 20:14:04 No.16339312

>>16085274
I agree, but even the ones where it's a bit grim I generally like. The Sakuya and Remi story is a good example of taking a macabre concept but making it a bit uplifting/nice. The Rain one is kind of like that too.

I don't care for his interpretation of Suwako in most instances though, that's a bit too much.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 1, 2017 06:40:17 No.16348110

> All this people calling Zounose edgy.

Geez, he has some interesting topics. Vintage (A master giving recognition to his servant), Rainfall (A reality check in a fantasy world) and Hungry Tiger (A youkai fighting against her own instinct, plus the whole Buddhist thing) were enjoyable without being edgy. If you want someone edgy go and read Asatsuki Dou.

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>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 1, 2017 07:38:28 No.16348197 >>16348110 Akatsuki Dou's heartwarming stories are actually some of my favorites. I wish he'd do more of those (or even bittersweet) instead of just pumping out edgy and/or rape books.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 1, 2017 07:42:14 No.16348203 File: 154 KB, 850x1211, MR-18404-283784-45 -.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is she wrong to accused Humans of Moral hypocrisy?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 1, 2017 07:45:42 No.16348210 >>16348203 How could it be hypocrisy if survival is a living creature's instinct?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 1, 2017 07:50:06 No.16348220 File: 103 KB, 1685x1200, MR-18404-283784-38.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16348210 >if survival is a living creature's instinct? HOw can you be so racist.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 1, 2017 08:04:09 No.16348238
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>>16348203
Byakuren is wrong on so many levels it isn't even funny.

In that book, though, she is wrong in that youkai are entirely dependent (for continued existence) on causing harm to humanity. There is no peaceful solution here. They are, in essence, parasites. Humanity isn't wrong in exterminating a parasitic species preying on them, inasmuch as self-preservation and survival of the fittest are undeniable laws of nature. In point of fact, denying humanity use of those laws while enabling/enforcing their use by youkai is the closest to hypocrisy one can get in this situation, not to mention completely unnatural.

Praise Miko.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 1, 2017 08:12:05 No.16348269

>>16348238
Don't certain youkais serve a more "benign" role? I think i remember something about a beast covered in eyes guarding temples and temporarily sticking one of it's eyes on any visitors so to check if they are trying to rob the temple or someshit.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 1, 2017 08:15:18 No.16348277 >>16348269 Yes, and those are tolerated both within Gensokyo (say, the tsukumogami) and without (Zashiki-Warashi). One can say those kinds are more symbiotic than parasitic (although they mostly offer minor use, not means of livelihood).

Anonymous Sun, Jan 1, 2017 11:44:28 No.16348936

I read through Zounose's available works because this thread piqued my interest and I hadn't read it before. Why do people rush to call it edgy? That's not at all the right description.

It's grim, yes, morbid, yes, but not edgy. Edgy for Touhou would be killing off actual canon characters, torture, rape, things of the like. I'd save descriptors like grimdark or edgy for things that do that to excess. Gensokyo is a dangerous place, it's not wrong to bring up things like death every now and again. Something like Vintage is morbid but meant to be uplifting, Remi is showing affection in a truly vampire-like way. If you just think it's dumb that's nother issue entirely.

His Suwako is edgy and both she and Kanako are fairly out of character though, I'll give you that. I'm not too fond of his Moriya stories. The ones like Goldfish Bowl and Rain Fall are much better.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 1, 2017 13:13:05 No.16349260

>>16075422

It can go both ways, and that will probably never change, regardless of the way canon seemingly swings, status quo is god. It wouldn't be touhou anymore if it went full grimdark, it'll always be light hearted at it's core.

The human fueled faith/fear system that gensokyo is built on isn't meant to be taken seriously either because it's not a zero sum game.
If the humans in gensokyo thrive, everyone thrives. It's as simple as that.
I think the greatest danger to the status quo would be outside world enlightenment seeping in with technological advancement. Kanako's omnissiah gambit could backfire so hard i'm surprised they didn't kick her out after subterranian animism.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 1, 2017 13:30:52 No.16349350

>>16348936
He tends to needlessly brutalise things. Take his Akyuu/Komachi book (and never mind the frankly ridiculous pairing). In that book, Akyuu's reincarnation process is made to include public execution (beheading at that), scrubbing of memories, all preceded by gradual body failure. Meanwhile in canon, not only is Akyuu fairly blasé about her reincarnation process, she also explicitly calls herself a descendant of the previous children of Miare (implying regular, human reproduction, rather than forced soul transfer). Zounose takes a fairly innocent concept of reincarnation, and makes it into a violent, bloody, shameful ordeal.

To add to that, Komachi's whole emotional arc in that book is so melodramatic it smacks of a plethora of various edgy, overemotional works we've all likely encountered in our pursuits of fan-made material.

Zounose may not be "edgy" in the purest sense of the word - that is, guts and gore for the sake of guts and gore - but he sure does love (often violent) drama for the sake of drama.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 1, 2017 13:41:30 No.16349385

>>16349350
Here's some simpler examples.

In Rainfall, Mokou makes a point of mentioning exactly how many times she died saving the one village kid. Now, dying talk from Mokou isn't exactly out of character, but the timing and context in this instance make no sense, raising more questions than any other emotional response (How did she die? How come the kid didn't die, in the process of being saved by her, even though the larger, stronger Mokou died? What the hell even happened?), and seeming as though it was shoehorned into the scene just for the sake of having Mokou talk morbid talk.

In his Grassroots book, which was largely comedic, Zounose for some reason, at the very end, goes on to show Sekibanki possessing a dead body, also mentioning how easy it was to procure one, even though: 1) that is not how rokurokubi/nukekubi/dullahans work AT ALL, 2) it clashes with the entirety of the preceding story consistency- and mood-wise. It's literally just there for the gory decapitation shot and a "lol ded bodies aplenty" one-liner. It doesn't even follow Zounose's own depiction of Sekibanki, who is earlier seen moving about as a headless body, without a head actively possessing it.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 1, 2017 13:49:08 No.16349401

>>16349385
Not that anon, but I remember that Rainfall part you're talking about. Mokou's mentioning how she drowned X times (I think it was 3 iirc) to save a kid that was washed away by the river floods. My guess is Zounose wanted to highlight just how bad the disaster was, since you have an immortal dying a couple times trying to save children.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 2, 2017 09:10:16 No.16353198 >>16349385 Grassroot book just had a shocking ending nothing more and nothing less.

Anonymous Mon, Jan 2, 2017 09:37:31 No.16353284

>>16349350
>Zounose takes a fairly innocent concept of reincarnation, and makes it into a violent, bloody, shameful ordeal.
The underlying premise of most things Zounose does is "what if Gensokyo wasn't flowers and sunshine 24/7", which, for all the ominous and morbid lines that get thrown around in canon, it basically is.

With a few over-the-top exceptions it really feels to me more like he's playing with the setting than be an edgelord. Dumb drama just happens to come with the territory sometimes. The corpse-eating one didn't even have any drama.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 3, 2017 05:29:22 No.16357513 >>16353284 He's a edgelord nothing mkre

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 3, 2017 14:46:19 No.16359251 Is it Millet Soup? No? Then it can fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 3, 2017 14:53:48 No.16359277 >>16359251 >Millet Soup Nice

Anonymous Wed, Jan 4, 2017 04:22:45 No.16362335

>>16359251
Every book by Millet Soup is literally "generic SDM slice of life shipping". You don't get any more secondary than that.
The only thing I can give him credit for is drawing Shinki, a PC98 character, and that's only for her relationship with Alice.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2017 01:14:02 No.16366353 >>16359251 Wew lad

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2017 19:13:05 No.16370028 File: 420 KB, 850x975, __alice_margatroid_kirisame_marisa_patchouli_knowledge_and_shanghai_doll_touhou_drawn_by_zounose__sample-c3be3ac1e79604adf617b07f0c177b67.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What did zounose mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2017 19:14:00 No.16370032 >>16370028 That he has shit taste

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2017 19:18:11 No.16370049 File: 1.23 MB, 700x1000, __kishin_sagume_touhou_drawn_by_zounose__.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16370032 You underestimate his power

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 5, 2017 19:29:04 No.16370085 >>16370049 Sagumeme sux

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2017 08:17:50 No.16372207 File: 859 KB, 1492x842, 1482114290233-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16370085 How dare you

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 6, 2017 08:28:55 No.16372239 >>16372207 Reisen sux too

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 7, 2017 08:12:51 No.16376600 File: 12 KB, 206x193, 1483150287673.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16372239 You twat

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 7, 2017 09:10:05 No.16376714 File: 251 KB, 890x1202, 1405910428462.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16376600 Dumb fairy poster

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 7, 2017 10:42:12 No.16377004 File: 37 KB, 335x415, 1481585263240.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16376714 Jokes on you. She's immortal.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 7, 2017 11:09:41 No.16377087 File: 17 KB, 210x210, 1427863908428.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16377004 Good, her suffering will never end

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 7, 2017 18:55:52 No.16378776 File: 89 KB, 400x400, 1481108553562.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16377087

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 7, 2017 19:01:47 No.16378798 File: 55 KB, 570x552, 1315107698332.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16377087 NEVER ENDING EXTERMINATION

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 8, 2017 21:26:10 No.16384140 File: 177 KB, 697x768, 1482411762250.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16378798 Go away. Cirno is the strongest. Reimu is just a bully.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 10, 2017 06:37:25 No.16391201 File: 39 KB, 333x269, 1483743894491.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16377087 Edgy

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 10, 2017 21:06:41 No.16395038 File: 61 KB, 850x478, __hijiri_byakuren_touhou_drawn_by_shimadoriru.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16075422 Is Stripe Pattern Edgy? I mean His or Her Hijiri makes sense. All she ever wanted was Equality

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 10, 2017 21:52:15 No.16395189 File: 309 KB, 1119x1600, __kochiya_sanae_touhou_drawn_by_shimadoriru__1ff2d27c6192cb0794ef8e6df5112cca.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16395038 When you do something like this, it's hard to not call you edgy.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 10, 2017 22:51:19 No.16395386 >>16395038 All she ever wanted was ensured survival of youkai so she wouldn't lose her magically sustained youth.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jan 11, 2017 00:38:27 No.16395691 File: 78 KB, 1690x1203, MR-18404-283784-38.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16395189 But she brings up a good point

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jan 11, 2017 00:43:56 No.16395708 File: 254 KB, 842x1200, MR-18404-283784-40.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16395386 Hijiri isn't a Flawed human. like you and I. She simply realized Youkai were no different than humans

Anonymous Wed, Jan 11, 2017 01:59:45 No.16395907

>>16395691
Are ya trying to argue for the artist or his interpretation of Hijiri?

>>16395708
>Hijiri isn't a Flawed human
>like you and I
Were you trying to say that she IS flawed, or that she's flawless UNLIKE you and I?
Because that sentence of yours doesn't make sense unless you're saying that WE are flawless human being - which we all know is wrong anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jan 11, 2017 03:07:55 No.16396121 File: 545 KB, 842x1200, MR-18404-283784-41.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16395907 >Are ya trying to argue for the artist or his interpretation of Hijiri? Both. She woke as fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 12, 2017 02:15:10 No.16400496 File: 295 KB, 1454x1020, eimg019.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Say it with me /jp/. She tried so hard

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 12, 2017 04:42:54 No.16400839 >>16400496 stop fucking posting

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 13, 2017 06:33:10 No.16406433 >>16075422 Is there any new Zounose ?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 13, 2017 15:24:50 No.16408524 >>16400496 AND GOT SO FAR

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 14, 2017 09:38:44 No.16412375 >>16408524 But in the end

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 15, 2017 07:02:21 No.16417217 >>16370028 They are a slave to magic

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 15, 2017 12:35:18 No.16418224 >>16412375 It doesn't even MaaaaAAAAterrrrr

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 16, 2017 05:52:59 No.16422138 >>16176950 Abuse relationship

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 17, 2017 06:27:22 No.16426638 >>16075422 Would most prefer a subtle grimdark. Or a grimdark that make someone to think about the situation

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 17, 2017 09:19:07 No.16427152 File: 484 KB, 1280x1825, img055.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16075422 New zounose.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jan 18, 2017 06:59:50 No.16431570 >>16418224 >>16418224 SHE HAD TO FALL TO LOSE IT ALL.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jan 18, 2017 11:41:06 No.16432463 >>16427152 > Zounose's Moonbitches Bring it. I'm ready.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jan 18, 2017 18:44:06 No.16433986 File: 433 KB, 1280x1825, img054.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16432463 No. You are not.

Anonymous Wed, Jan 18, 2017 18:58:25 No.16434027

PC98 is distinctly darker.

I remember in a headcanon thread somewhere one anon liked to think of it as happening after the windows events, and I like to think that way too: it gives touhou a kind of armageddon foreboding to it

other than that I think of it as happy go lucky as possible. The girls trash talk each other, and incidents have serious premises and consequences, but otherwise its a fun time

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 19, 2017 08:12:36 No.16436270 >>16434027 Makes things more sadder.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 19, 2017 15:25:27 No.16437794 PC-98 it's dead. Most of his relevant characters had been remaked or referenced at this point.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 19, 2017 15:27:05 No.16437802 >>16437794 Almost every single one pc98 is already remaked in personality, design or theme. PC98 lives within current touhou.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 19, 2017 15:47:53 No.16437890 >>16437802 Not BONES. She will be back. And don't give me anything of that "Windows Marisa is Mima in terms of personality" stuff, they're different, certainly different enough to co-exist.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jan 19, 2017 16:05:21 No.16437947 >>16437890 Mima actually reincarnated into Sanae.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jan 20, 2017 05:54:42 No.16440640 >>16437947 Makes sense why she went insane

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 21, 2017 19:23:19 No.16449120 >>16437947 Source

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 21, 2017 19:30:51 No.16449159 File: 969 KB, 1280x960, timestamp.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16449120 I'm ZUN

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 21, 2017 20:20:12 No.16449334 >>16378798 Hey hey hey hey, who is the artist on this one? That hentai was gold.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 22, 2017 06:40:10 No.16451540 >>16449159 Zun married Aya?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 23, 2017 20:29:04 No.16458931 >>16449159 When will you make a Anime about Touhou? You need to expand your Horizon. Start thinking about making money for your childrens's future

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jan 25, 2017 03:04:48 No.16466086 >>16458931 ZUN here. Winter 2018. Kyoani is secretly working on a Forbidden Scrollery adaptation.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jan 25, 2017 03:05:29 No.16466087 >>16449159 legit paint skills brah

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