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Previous thread: >>15904517

This thread is for the discussion of untranslated Japanese visual novels.

What are you playing? What are you looking forward to? What have you finished? You know the drill.

>> No.15929778
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It's been one year since élf's downfall.

Is she forgiven now?

>> No.15929792

>>15929778
It's not something you forgive in one year
It's not something you forgive

>> No.15929797

>>15929778
She killed elf. Why would she be forgiven?

>> No.15929811

>>15929778
Jesus

>> No.15929973

Nothing is really lost by playing senmomo before Eustia, right? Since people seem to consider Eustia better I want to save it for last (although if the production/CGs/music of senmomo is much better maybe I shouldn't?).

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>>15929797

But look to these new designs by DMM. If elf is still alive, they won't see another light in the market in favor for NTR games. This new mobage is better than leaving the IP dead, right?

Right?

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>>15930008

I really need to stop checking on their twitter.

>> No.15930077

>>15930008
If Tamaki hadn't happened, elf could have done a proper remake, in addition to whatever other great games they could have made in the meantime. Maybe eroge in general wouldn't be dying now, who knows?

>> No.15930085

>>15930077
Eroge ain't dying though, I'm glad for that.

>> No.15930296
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>>15930077

I don't know if elf was still having their old staffs back in 2004 before 下級生2 development, but I think if the competent ones are still there, they would be more aware of the current market and not creating Tamaki in the current state as main heroine. If Tamaki hadn't happened, elf would still probably alive, but still a shell of their former self and bound to producing normal eroges. I don't know if a true remake of the original series would be popular in the current market where heroines are virgins and the gameplay in eroge are mostly little to non-existant except for a few titles.

It's pretty fun to check 2ch archive for the release aftermath reaction of the game. The amount of salt there is astounding.

>> No.15930327

>>15930296
I love the ASCII art there.

>> No.15930336

>>15929973
they are completely unrelated and even if senmomo is more recent it's not like Eustia needs a DOS emulator to run. You'll be fine

>> No.15930405

>>15929973
I think at worst you'll lose some of the freshness, when you play Eustia after like 100 gakuenmono in a row then it's a really "holy shit this is really happening", Senmomo will kinda take away from that due to be being fantasy too. Other than that, should be fine. Report back I wanna see how otherwise Senmomo influences how one perceives Aiyoku

>> No.15930612

Maybe it's because I've read Fureraba and some of Loverable, in addition to quite a few moege, but Kanojo Step feels really generic, like I've played the game many many many times before. The comedy is standard smee fare which is great but the normal writing seems to be standard everything fare and it's a big part of the game. I guess I should have expected that, though. I won't critique it before finishing a route, though.

>> No.15930634

>>15930612
As an EGS review says
>ダメやね。スタッフ隠した時点で予想できてたけど。
it was shady from the start.

But then again, some reviews are pretty positive.

>> No.15930649

>>15930634
Only the artist was hidden, right? I don't mind the art too much, I'm only really feeling a thorough genericism in the text.

>> No.15930724
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It's like I'm reading Maitetsu again

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>>15930724
Nevermind, it's better

>> No.15931043

>>15930769

Uwa. Those eyes. Is this horror?

>> No.15931759

>>15928772
really?
I'm in the 6th floor now and everything so far seems to have been written by him. When does it change?
How bad is the route?

>> No.15931772
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Okay, finished with the common route and all that introductory stuff for Kanojo Step.

So far, my impression is that it's not a bad game. The protagonist, while being fairly similar to every smee protag I've ever seen, is yet still a refreshing entity of honestly and humour. While nothing to write home amount, his character does set a good stage upon which the rest of the game is built. That stage being "Tame Fureraba", because this game is like Fureraba 1:1 when it comes to character interaction and pretty much everything except with less energy. There's a lot of reminiscent events, like the MC shouting to the class he intends to make a girlfriend, and the general tone is pretty close. However the general energy level is significantly lower, I think they were aiming to make this game feel more like a classic "romance" game and less like a balls-on-the-wall comedy like Fureraba often was because the 雰囲気 in Kanojo Step is a lot more chill despite still having the same style of maniac comedy.

The heroines are nice. Noe (black hair) is funny and has some endearing quirks like her love of bugs but didn't really grab me. Shiina (long brown hair) is the classic "seitokaichou who's an intelligent beauty but is also comically frank and down to earth", no complaints here. Asuka (short brown hair) is pretty unremarkable, her only real quirk is that she's sportsy, but she's too womanly to appeal to tomboy fans I think. Out of all heroines, I expect Kuon to be the fan favourite (if people can tear their eyes away from black hair yamato nadeshiko that is) because her character is pretty excellent. A 積極的 kouhai with great ノリ and a solid character design, wavy hair really fits her. She's definitely my favourite.

All things considered, though, I don't feel like continuing to play, which is why I'm writing my impressions now. The comedy is good, but it's the same stuff I've read before, and everything feels way too familiar. I like my fair share of moege, but from my perspective Kanojo Step ends up feeling just too generic thanks to the writer basically never changing as far as I can tell. Definitely feels like I've read this game several times before in Fureraba and Lover Able. It doesn't help that the game is afforded no assistance from the by-the-numbers 田舎 setting, unremarkable (and seemingly hated) art, lame sound track, and lack of any sort of theme or plot to help smooth things along. In other words, it's a game supported by its heroines and comedy, its writing, but neither are particularly fresh or engaging, particularly for those who have read smee games before. I'm shelving Kanojo Step probably forever.

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Thank you for telling the truth.

>> No.15932027

>>15931759

The entire common route is him, I think he disappears after the Necropolis part of Haku's route.

>> No.15932100

AstralAir or IroSeka?

>> No.15932482
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So I just finished the common route of this, and unfortunately its not good at all. Not at "unplayable" level bad and actually it had some potantial to become a funny jealousy-themed game but writer fucked it up with some details he missed. For example Arisa's 「あ・・・え・・・そ、その・・・あの・・・」 lines take like a fucking minute to listen and becomes pretty annoying after a while. Yeah her shy personality is cute, but as a writer he should have pay attention to voices as well. Also the brocon heroine appears after you have played fucking 3-4 hours of the game, I guess they had an brilliant "hey if we dont show one heroine maybe they wont drop the game until she appears" idea.

Lastly mc is pretty much a hetare and cant even join the fucking conversations. I'm kinda used to non-personality ones but this guy takes it to another level.

Writer seems like a cool guy who is listening all the opinions about the game and Azuki & Sasha were good heroines so I'll give one more chance to him if he ever writes some more eroges, but this gets 5/10 from me at the best.

>> No.15932487

>>15932482
>lines take like a fucking minute to listen and becomes pretty annoying after a while.
>as a writer he should have pay attention to voices as well.
That's less his problem and more your problem for not just skipping the voices in lines like that.

>> No.15932499

>>15932487
But the line continues after them, "あ・・・え・・・そ、その・・・あの・・・" is not the all of it. Since her voice is cute I'd like to listen the sentence from her VA, but for that you have to bear with all those which is pretty annoying, or at least for me. Also she starts almost all of her lines like that.

>> No.15932515

>>15932100
Sleeping on a bed of broken glass.

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>>15921611
Seems like a bitch to me honestly.

>> No.15932731

>>15932633
By the way I heard that クゥ from Drapeko has some h-scenes in it, is it true? are they Ntrish kind or something?

>> No.15932743

>>15932731
I haven't seen anyone named クゥ so far.

>> No.15932826

>>15932731
They are different characters, even though have same voice & same face etc. You can pretty much understand from the text that she is not the one who has lived in the Drapeko's world. She mentions at the some part of the game that she got splited up to the different worlds or something like that so probably thats the reason.

>> No.15932838

>>15932633
That guy has shit taste, ignore him. She's ok but nowhere near as good as Towa etc.

>> No.15932853

>>15932838
>Implying Towa, Tio and Erimo are any good at all

>> No.15932863

By the way, I'm sure Kinou and Kyou (iirc) become wives, but do they become fighters in the party? Or is Kathryn the last addition to the party in the whole game?

>> No.15932882

>>15932863
Kath is the last party memeber

>> No.15932901

>>15932882
I see, cool. Somewhat unusual for modern JRPGs perhaps but that means I don't need to grind multiple chars.

>> No.15932922

>>15932901
Well Evenicle is more of a old style JRPG to begin with

>> No.15932933

>>15932853
I agree about Tio, but Towa is fantastic and you have no appreciation for cute, idealistic hard-working little girls.

>> No.15932958

>>15932933
Towa was a good idea that was underutilized in my mind, story time is nice and all but Towa needed more scenes to show off her cuteness. Erimo is partially to blame for that

>> No.15933042

>>15932958
She got plenty of scenes, both story time and her arc in the hospital in chapter 5. Most developed and interesting of all the girls outside of the main 4 imo.
Obviously Evenicle is intentionally focused on the man heroines and their romance/story, so you can't expect too much for a side girl. Towa was great.

>> No.15933055

>>15933042
Don't agree at all really.

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>>15933055

>> No.15933158
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>>15933137
>Aster lower level than Ramias and Riche
I intentionally avoided her "bonus EXP skill" to avoid this. I like how it's a steady decline, though I do somewhat wish I could balance it.

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>>15933158
It balances out eventually

>> No.15933199

>>15933190
Ha, I don't know if I'll be playing that far. Are there super hard bonus dungeons that justify leveling that high? Is there NG+?

>> No.15933200

>>15933158
My aim was to get Ramias's defence as high as possible, so I had to get her as much exp as I could. Nothing more satisfying than watching her tank all the enemy damage and take nothing, it was great.
I got wrecked by AOE though.

>> No.15933204

>>15933200
>My aim was to get Ramias's defence as high as possible,
Was this accomplished through any concentrated means? So far my level ups seem to be random.

>> No.15933216

>>15930296
Is サゲマン the Japanese version of roastie?

>> No.15933220

>>15933199
No, but there is 1 giant boss outside the final area that is arguably harder than the final boss. No NG+ sadly

>> No.15933245

>>15933204
Items, you can upgrade the number of item slots she gets later.

>> No.15933274

>>15932482
>Writer seems like a cool guy
Hozakura? Not very much.

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Pic related is probably my favourite side character in Evenicle, he may be a total dick but it's comical how far they go to portray him as such.

>> No.15933382

>>15933352
(spoilers) I really liked the fight with him in chapter 6, it was great how his comrades all abandoned him halfway through the fight. I think it nicely showed how the "adventurers" didn't build the same kind of loyal, trusting parties that Aster did.

>> No.15933639

>>15933382
> didn't build the same kind of loyal, trusting parties that Aster did.
That's what fucking your party members does.

>> No.15933655

>>15933639
Semen is the glue that holds friendships together.

>> No.15933669

>>15932731
She's the main heroine.

But they are different characters

>>15932633
Character development

>> No.15933848

>>15933669
>has yuri sex with dragon
>goes evil, rapes random guy on street in front of his girlfriend
>gets beaten up, turns good again

>Character development

>> No.15933869

>>15933848
There's more to it than that and you know it, never mind that you've made one part wrong with that gross simplification

>> No.15933887

>>15933869
>you've made one part wrong
And that is?

>> No.15933904

>>15933848
>>15933887
>goes evil
Rather than being evil, she unwillingly went on what's effectively a drug trip.

>> No.15933967

>>15933848
Good to see you admit to machine translation

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>>15933158

You should try to graduate from that. It's not healthy in rpgs.

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>> No.15934566

>>15933216
nope

>> No.15934812

>>15934280
You could be right, but I doubt 1 character having a higher level is that significant especially in a game where grinding is very possible. I mean heck, Ramias gets that skill near level 20 something, yet he only got 2 extra levels from it by level 50... I'd prefer to just grind a little more and get EVERYONE 2 levels higher.

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Finished Utawarerumono: Futari no Hakuoro. Well, it was okay but in general the game felt like the original too much, been there done that and had roughly the same type of plot revelations and developments. Instead of the first long war taking the majority of the game I was kind of wishing the writer had been more ambitious and built upon the original's setting and scifi stuff more, but this or Itsuwari Kamen didn't really add anything groundbreakingly new in terms overall lore and such. Really playing it safe in my opinion, and the enjoyment probably depends on how much the player wants more of the exact same as the original for 50 hours. Thank god no other sequel hook cliffhangers though.

As for plot, there were some absolutely retarded turns; For example fucking everything to do with Tuskuru. At the beginning Kuon resolves to lead them, only for the old characters to let her go on her own again, without Tuskuru interfering. It feels like a really cheap way of making the civil war have some sort of challenge, even though they'd be able to shit on Raikou easily and they only conveniently rush to help in the very, very end when the whole world is at stake. Then Hakuoro and Eruruu willingly giving Voshisu the master key. WHY? Even though he gets defeated in the end, lending him the key led to thousands of needless deaths. No you fucking don't deserve a happy ending. Probably again a cheap way of creating challenge and urgency in the story. Let's not also forget that them waiting for any human makes Itsuwari no Kamen's war make no sense either, since the Emperor of Yamato was also human. Or in the beginning Entua helping Burai for no proper reason. There were lots of these type of convenient "quick, we need challenge and drama pronto" moments.

Voshisu himself was a boring irredeemable villain with inferiority complex and daddy issues stemming only from poor communication with the Emperor, and I already guessed he was the going to be the traitor in the previous game. He becomes even more bland after using the mask.

Gameplay wise it was an improvement to Itsuwari no Kamen. In general the game is now actually difficult on Hard, there's new usable characters and you can perform dual combos / finishers with multiple characters. As for the biggest issues, I played on PS3 and whenever Fumiriru used any attack or heal the game would always crash, meaning I couldn't use her in battles. The second last boss also had one such game crashing attack, forcing me to play that specific battle on Normal in order to prevent it from using that move.

Music was great and I'm waiting for the OST to be uploaded. There were tons of vocal tracks.

>> No.15936785

http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=1911833

can someone seed this? been stalled for a while

>> No.15936898

>>15936785
>uncompressed ISO
fuck that guy just grab it off AS

>> No.15936917

>>15936898

Only finding dead DDL there, unfortunately.

>> No.15936935

>>15936917
the very first search result for me has working depositfile links

http://www.anime-sharing.com/forum/hentai-games-38/japanese-%5B070720%5D%5Bcaitsith(ケットシー)%5D-いろは~秋の夕日に影ふみを~-104393/

>> No.15936947

>>15936935

That works, thanks. I searched the company name instead and only checked the first 6 threads, my apologies.

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Finished Kurozuka route in D&D.
I'm pretty sure it was written entirely by Mareni.

It ended pretty much out of nowhere though. Is there a true route after the character ones or something?

Kinda annoying how there's no 攻略 even though it's been a week since release.

Anyway, this is the 1st route I've finished so I'll post my impression after I finish everything.

>> No.15937067

Tried Corona from Eternal. Yumina I dropped because the gameplay was honestly pretty crappy... and the story not much better. But I figured I could give the dev one more chance.

The good: The gameplay seems like it's not as much of a disaster.
The bad: The story is just as meh as in Yumina, with characters ranging from uninteresting to shit.
Neutral: Not sure what to think of you needing more than 2 hours to reach the damn tutorial stage. Yumina still had a.. game.. included. Not a good one, but still. In Corona the gameplay feels more like an afterthought. Based on its 攻略wiki it doesn't even have 20 stages, let alone anything optional. Seems weird.

Not going to continue it. The story is really nothing special with the author somehow achieving to include all the shittiest tropes and make pretty much all girls unlikeable in some way or another. I already don't give a single shit anymore after a few hours in, so.. yeah. Not worth it, in my opinion. But I'll probably try their most recent game at some point. Different writer compared to Yumina and Corona, and seeing how they at least SOMEWHAT improved the mechanics in Corona.. maybe it's fun? Maybe.
No image, as nothing screenshot worthy happened.

>> No.15937074

>>15937063
Two routes are written by Mareni and two aren't.

>> No.15937111

>>15937063

yeah true route after the character routes, kurozuka had the best character route imo

>> No.15937148
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This is the first time I see this scene in August' games.

>> No.15937438

>>15937074
So he didn't write Nicolite's then? Shame.

>> No.15937909
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Anyone else getting random crashes or is it just me? I'm currently at chapter 12 of Nagi's route and the game has crashed more than a hundred times for me so far. I can't seem to find a way to fix this shit.

>> No.15937922

>>15937909
I haven't had any problems there.

>> No.15937930

Speaking of Nagi's route, is it possible to beat Ayaka and Akane at the same time or can I only take down one or the other?

>> No.15937936

>>15937930
Whoops, sorry. What I mean is I can bring both to a sliver of their health but then they start running away and then one gets chipped to death.

>> No.15937963

>>15937922
What's your system specs? The game seems to have some memory issue on my PC, while other run just fine, be it AAA or niche.

>> No.15937986

>>15937930
Have you tried the Goliath Hammer? It can deal 1k+ damage on multiple enemies if they stand next to each other.

>> No.15937989

>>15934438
Aries is cute. Cute!

>> No.15937994

>>15937909
It mostly only happens to me when I have it on for very long periods of time, but that might have been fixed in one of the later patches (I ended up playing through it all on 1.01).

>> No.15938040

>>15937994
I'm at 1.04 and still experiencing it (mostly happens after some battles or when I change my weapons). One time it even damaged my save and I lost the system voice plugin for Tsukuyomi and Mao. Though the game is still playable, it's quite annoying since I have to reload and fight some battles again.

>> No.15938634

>>15937930
Late update, but I did it, I guess. Got the force crash for defeating Akane but since I first took out Ayaka it gave me the cutscene for that. Oh well, I had fun figuring out how to beat them both.

>> No.15938649

Yo /jp/, I'm trying to boot that game Ao no kanata no four rhythm using the crack provided and although it skips the serial number request, it still asks for the dvd after booting the game.


Anyone here knows whats up or how to get through that?

>> No.15938697

>>15938649
just mount the dvd...

>> No.15938709

>>15938697
yeah, what if I dont want to do that though? No way out?

>> No.15938768

>>15938709
Does it even work for Ao no kanata? There are countless games that ask for dvd even if it's still mounted
Usually if it works i just accept the minor hassle of having it mounted

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Is NanaWind's games any good?

>> No.15938924

>>15937909
It didn't crash for me even once and my comp is almost a toaster, and have played on all patches so patching probably isn't the issue.
Maybe try to change stuff in the config?

>> No.15938963

>>15938924
So it's just me then. Guess I'll try to mess around with the setting later. Kinda weird since no other games have this issue.

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>>15938861
the writer they hired is fucking terrible. tachies are also terrible despite artists being famous. the school battle part in the game you posted is a pure cringefest. they're also bad at test-playing their games (pic: someone mistakenly inserted a 5 so the voice is gone for this line)

cgs are good though.

>> No.15939238

List games that have heroines with freckles

>> No.15939253

>>15939238

>> No.15939279

>>15939238

https://vndb.org/i814?fil=gender-f.role-primary

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The choice is obvious.

Also so much for the previous "choices" in this game. Sure mattered.

>> No.15939340

>>15939328
Anna?

>> No.15939402

>>15939328
Based on looks, i'd say Alicetia

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>>15939340

I don't blame you for that, but not quite for the first playthrough. She's a side-heroine... I think. (not on the cover)

>>15939402

red>>green

Actually kinda funny how much superior red is in the game.

>> No.15939639

>>15937148
thanks a bunch anon
Why does it remind me so much of School Days, with the dead eyes and shit

>> No.15939697

>>15937074
Did you pull that out of your ass?
It's clear that he wrote everything himself.

>> No.15939701

>>15939697
Not very clear to you apparently.

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>>15939697
So clear it has two other writers credited.

>> No.15939790

>>15939697

I really, really, really don't think he did. Would mean he dumbed his writing style down to the point it's unrecognizable for large parts of the game.

>> No.15940278

>>15938861
They're about average.

>> No.15940706

>>15939228
What the fuck? That's embarrassing how do these chucklefucks have jobs?

>> No.15940712

>>15939328
>>15939415
Who's the artist?

>> No.15941440

Is there a moege that is similar to Hoshi Ori but isn't long as fuck? Or just any good moege that aren't long in general, really.

>> No.15941456

>>15941440
Daitoshokan

>> No.15941535

>>15940712

https://vndb.org/v17038

Apparently not just one.

>> No.15941558
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How did we go from this?

>> No.15941569
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>>15941558
To this?

>> No.15941619

>>15941440
Tonakoi is the best for this, and Seikishi melty lovers

>> No.15941632

>>15941440
Dunno if its similiar to hoshi ori since I didnt play it, but lovesick puppies is a really great moege, definitely at top 3 for me.

>> No.15941634

>>15941558
>>15941569
It's that thing called evolution.

They fucked it up by making it all-ages though.

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Welp, I did expect the final route to be long, but it still exceeded my prediction. Also cheapest final boss ever. Which attack do you guys find the most effective against pic related as a combo starter? I managed to beat her with ease after switching to Attractor Edge, but it reduced the damage output of my combo quite a lot.

>> No.15943060
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The upcoming release of the remake reminded me to finally play this game, and I just reached 100%. Frankly, I can't say I liked it.

From what I gathered, everyone rags on the epilogue, and for good reason, even now I'm baffled at how unbelievably terrible it was. But the main game wasn't much better. I'm sick and tired of writers baiting you with mystery after mystery only to give you a shitty resolution in the end.

The protagonist was unbearable. I suppose he was made to be like the "cool" main characters of elf's dating sims, he doesn't come anywhere close to their greatness however. Emphasis was put on him just being a student, and while that makes his retardation and absolute refusal to ever put one and one together understandable (except when the plot needs him to be wise), it sure isn't enjoyable to read. His exchanges with the other characters are mostly an ennerving exercise of suffering through the same old, reused and hardly funny jokes; I thought the low quality of his banter with the token tsundere was exemplary, I guess they wanted something like the relationship of the protag with Misa in Doukyuusei (which explains the completely unrelated reference to "running" that one time), but it just doesn't come close.

The game system is of course a clicky mess, though I think it's unjustified to believe because of it in the inherent superiority of the regular VN system, as I have seen some do. It's just this game's system with its pixel-hunting that happens to be terrible, I was never frustrated with, say, the navigation in the nanpa games.

The only impressive thing about the soundtrack is its sheer volume, at best its atmospheric and I can't think of one track I would want to listen to outside of the game. I presume it is this scale of it all that enchanted people back in the day, combine this with a few grandiose ideas about fundamental concepts of life et al, and throw a few famous names around and you have a 90's meisaku (cf., for example, Xenogears). I haven't played any of Kanno's following games, but I can't say I'm surprised that I'm by far not the only one there. Also, lectures of pseudo-science are simple torture in practically every case. If I had to think of one positive thing, then that there were some decent CGs here and there (the tachie were below average though). All in all, I prefer just about every other elf game I played to this one, even mediocre titles like De Ja didn't leave me angry at the very least.

>> No.15943078 [DELETED] 

>>15941569
Is this in the all-ages version?

>> No.15943082

>>15934438
Is this in the all-ages version?

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>>15943082

>> No.15943093
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>>15943060
>The game system is of course a clicky mess, though I think it's unjustified to believe because of it in the inherent superiority of the regular VN system, as I have seen some do.
I tend to think that for telling stories like Yuno tried to, the regular VN system is fairly superior, for rarely does a game system add to a story. However, what really shattered that conception for me was Lost Colors, a VN which blended interactivity and story pretty much perfectly in a way that actually improved the story. To explain it simply, as you read the game you acquire hints (written in red) and you can choose to have one "hint" in the back of the protagonist's mind at any time. So, for example, a character will say "got any ideas?" and what you have in the back of the protag's mind will determine his response. This is fundamental for progressing through the game and due to the number of hints and the fact the trigger for them isn't always so blatant, you really have to think about what your character knows and what the other characters are saying. In order to progress the story, you have to always be on your toes, reading and thinking carefully. Much like a safe, if you know the combination you can open it at any time - if you think carefully, you can keep the story progressing at a constant pace. I highly recommend it for anyone interested in a non-linear, interactive VN that nonetheless maintains a good story and pacing.

>> No.15943210

>>15941558
>>15941569
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you saying the original art is better? While it has a sort of charm to it, I'd have to say the new art is objectively better by a lot.

>>15941634
Were the H scenes actually important at all? I played the remake and it didn't feel like I missed anything important, but I obviously can't be sure unless I play the original.

>> No.15943360

>>15943060
Funny how this describes what I think of 99% of games released today.

>> No.15943465

>>15943082
This is actually the only scene so far where the text has been significantly changed between the two versions, presumably to remove the focus on lewd for a all-ages game. Although I'm not very far in.

>> No.15943516

>>15943465
Are you playing them side by side or something? Or just going off memory?

>> No.15943526

>>15943093
That sounds real fucking cool, you sold me on that one. What's it about? The pics I found make it look like some sort of dark fantasy.

It's a shame we don't get more playing around with the VN format, but such is life.

>> No.15943543

>>15941569
The new art looks 100 times better

>> No.15943585

>>15943526
MC is a ruthless murderer "knight" under the employ of the kingdom consumed by grey, slaughtering those who have been infected once again with color, people known suitably as "colors" to prevent the infection from spreading and destroying their grey kingdom. He preforms his job without any qualms, even when it comes to eradicating women and children. However, when he returns to the kingdom and stands before the king to receive his reward, the princess... he finds himself slowing being enveloped by the color disease. He, now, is "colored" and finds himself at the other end of the purging sword and must fight his former comrades in order to escape the fate he bestowed upon so many, perhaps finding the answers to what exactly the color disease is and why his kingdom is grey in the process.

This is all the prologue. The bulk of the game is what follows. Your "quest" is basically to get three different items located in three different primary locations, but you can't just pick one location and go through it, they're all interlocked. Information you find in one area (hints) is necessary to progress in another. It gave me a very thorough "adventure" feel and is logically consistent enough that I feel a walk through would only damage the experience. The writing itself is solid too, the characters are both interesting and fun (as you can imagine, the protagonist is a real piece of work) and the world engaging to explore. Definitely recommended.

>> No.15943609

>>15943585
Neat, thanks. Now I just have to find it. Is it the kind of doujin thing I can get from their site or is it a scour the internet type deal?

>> No.15943626

>>15943609
It's a paid product with no download version that I know of. However, a based anon uploaded the doujin group's entire catalogue when I asked for Lost Colors awhile ago so they're all here.
http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=2000584

>> No.15943652

>>15943626
Oh nice, thanks a lot. I couldn't find it under just the game itself.

Don't know if it's at all up your alley but the color disease bit made me think of a great surreal russian-made game called The Void. You're in basically the lowest floor of purgatory after dying, everything is grey and black and dead, you have to forage for scraps of Color that you use as your health, mana, energy, and how you interact with everything (by drawing glyphs on screen). Mostly you end up talking to mostly naked cute girls and horrifying machine-human abominations.

Not a vn but thought I'd try and repay the recommendation at least.

>> No.15943665

>>15943516
I'm reading the remake but CTRLing through the original after each session to see the old art and any changes. Mainly so when I get to the sex scenes I can actually read them.

>> No.15943689

>>15943665
I considered doing that at first, but then I figured it wouldn't be worth the effort. Sex scenes in game like this usually tend to be insanely abrupt and don't contribute enough to be worth it for me personally. Even as a lolicon I couldn't find it in me to bother with them. I think I can take a good guess as to when they happened too and I don't regret my decision. If you end up thinking they are significant in any way please post your thoughts upon finishing.

>> No.15943747

>>15942336
Usually just go with (search dash)crescent > hammer > *stuff, or assasinreap > *stuff. or if I feel I'm in good postion in air try my luck with hammer starter. Also I didn't really find her cheap but fun hard fight, leviathan in force, that was bullocks

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>>15942336
一閃 is so good against anything that isn't rapid weib tier of bs

>> No.15944470

>>15943852
Doesn't it leave you vulnerable for a couple of seconds after using it? I've tried but I can't seem to get it works. Besides, isn't she the fastest in the game?

>> No.15944518

>>15943747
Leviathan was like 10 times easier IMO. It's not hard to hit and doesn't have those annoying heat inflicting attacks that Misaki has.

>> No.15944717

>>15942336
Always 月光斬. Just wait she uses that chain atack.

>> No.15944782

Can someone upload the Daimeikyuu & Daimeiwaku OP to mega?

>> No.15945215

>>15944782
https://mega.nz/#!n9gUVDpB!I2BT8Cy5pzY5wvt7qVHTb-aP6x42S-BpGItlTEItNps

>> No.15945592

>>15944782
Is this some new meme?

>> No.15945602

>>15945592
Aw man, did I fall for a meme?

>> No.15945616

>>15945602
Even if you got memed all over, I actually wanted the OP. Thanks.

>> No.15945642

>>15945215
I was actually thinking of just the sound file, not the video heh.

>> No.15946127

>>15944518
It's not like that part is the hard part of leviathan, it's the fucking instant killing you in middle of comboing thats the annoying part. As fight its easier, but on bullshit level of things its more annoying.

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Exercitus is a surprisingly fun game in some ways. Gets totally carried by the main-heroine though. Though that also means it's nothing special on average, I suppose.

>> No.15946234

>>15932100
>>15932100
So no one here played both?

>> No.15946258

>>15946234
I played some of iroseka before dropping it because it bored me to death and astralair.
Iroseka has a single good thing, Shinku, that's all I can say about the game, astralair at least bothers to build the plot and setting a bit throughout the routes even if it's almost as boring half of the time.

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I hate it when people do this.

>> No.15946315

>>15946258
I'm guessing you can't just only do the Shinku true route and there's some locked shit going on? Shame

>> No.15946376

>>15946198
Yeah it wasn't bad but wasn't very good either. I got annoyed at a couple small details though, like Rico's letter one. At first scene she is saying that she doesnt know how to write and read so she is drawing a picture for her family, then 5 minutes later in another scene she reads a fucking letter without any problem.

Its not all of course, there are many contradictions like this, probably happened because of multiple writer thing. Well they are pretty minor so negligible, but still bugged me.

>> No.15946393

>>15946258
Well if I'm interested in Shinku would it be worth the effort or does it constantly sidetrack to other things?

>> No.15946419

Anyone playing あきゆめくくる?

>> No.15946448

>>15946419
It's not out

>> No.15946568
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>>15946376

Oh yes, there's quite a bit like that. I also realized this. I especially liked how when you get the second ero-scene with the blonde knight and she acts as if she's the first time in the protagonist's room. You unlock that scene essentially right after the first one, and that one was also in the room..

Normally I don't think "multiple writers" are so obvious, but in this game the optional scenes REALLY give the vibes. Even if it's not contradictions. In one the girls just call the protagonist "purse" or something and act as if he's just there to buy them stuff. Never happened before. Feels more out of character than anything. Oh well.


That said, I mostly skip the optional scenes, in part because of that. They can be decent if you really like a character, but I feel they are otherwise just.. weird.

>> No.15946590

>>15935623
Don't read any part of this post if haven't read or finished reading Utawarerumono: Futari no Hakuoro.

Just finished it.

Yeah, some of the elements don't hold up. Almost all the bad things that happen towards the end could have been prevented just by Eruruu not giving the key to fag boy clone. What does Kuon even learn from this? That she won't go insane if Haku is dead, for a third time? Then why has she gone off again just just to chase him again so she can be with him again? She spent most of the game clinging to him scared shitless he will die and sure enough it happens. I guess most of Kuon's development was about her not becoming god rather than to be able to handle no Haku. I don't get Haku's Jesus motivations either, maybe he becomes god emperor or maybe Kuon has lost her mind again.

I didn't mind Raikou as a villain and I was hoping he would learn about the humanity of the past and try to usher in a new age of science. The fag was too much of a piece of shit for me to root against and it was totally obvious he was a traitor from the start. The game was too long, especially the long epilogue where we have no to wonder if Haku is truly dead as if we didn't see what happened coming.

The game writers had to balance sucking off the old cast and making the new cast look good. What they failed to realize is I spent 30 hours with the first cast in 2008 and 100 hours with the new cast between 2015 and 2016, meaning I kinda don't care that much about the first cast outside of a few fanservice scenes. They actually didn't do too bad, I was expecting them to make the first cast look like gods for most of the game and the new cast to look like useless knuckle dragging subhumans. Hakuoro and Eruruu did get an end that was not really warranted and chances are most of the audience (I'm projecting) would have been happier with Haku and Kuon getting that end..

I am easily manipulated so the game did get some emotion out of me, only when Haku kisses Kuon and when Oshutoru's mom gives Haku a shoulder to cry on, even though the latter was predictable and didn't have enough scenes to back it.

>> No.15946605

>>15946590
Oh yeah, I still gave the game a 9/10. It is still one of the best releases this year.

>> No.15946621

>>15946448
no...

>> No.15946774

>>15946590
When Eruruu willingly gave the master key away I was originally assuming the writer was setting up continuity to Raikou's ideas about how people should not rely on old technology that they take for granted, using it as a some sort of teaching to Kuon and Haku (and maybe as a teaching and possible redeeming point for the fagboy himself), but it just led to deaths of innocents for no proper reason. The planet freezing could've been an interesting plot point as well, but they just reboot Amaterasu satellite anyways, which means people still rely on old tech to survive even if they don't know about it themselves. They could've had something there, but instead the plot went full retard.

Though yeah, I agree that the game had some pretty good moments as well.

>> No.15947037

>>15946774
The satellite thing was weak. It would have sent a good message if everything from the past stayed there, the satellite and Haku. I guess people would dislike that we spent 30+ hours taking back a more or less doomed world. Having the capital city destroyed was a nice touch though. Fag master and his shota harem (I hated beating them like 4 times) should have died with it. Fag master learns little to nothing, I guess he was just a means to get Haku to die again so we can see Kuon flip out yet again to get a "bitter"sweet ending.

Why would it make sense for Haku to become god? The end in the first game made sense. Unless there is a secret ending I don't get this one, Haku should be dead and in the ground.

>> No.15947055

>>15946774
To add to that the soundtrack was quite good. The soundtrack is out already I think but I haven't seen it on the web. Using the anime's first intro during some fights was pretty hype though.

Also I get why Atui is in love with Haku since the first game lays some sort of foundation but I don't get why Nosuri.

>> No.15947068

>>15947055
Probably just because the writer wanted to create a harem for Haku as was the case with the original game.

>> No.15947119

>>15947068
There isn't much reason to add Nosuri since it is believable that Atui, Kuon, chocolate and vanilla, and Ruru like him that way. Nosuri liked Oshutoru and Anju loved actual Oshutoru.

I don;t count Anju since her remembering being Haku's niece was so tacked on. At least Munechika wasn't tacked on.

>> No.15947183

>>15946590
Can you spoil the Hakuoro and Eruruu part of the ending? I probably wont play this (or at least anytime soon) but I'd like to know how did older cast ended up.

>> No.15947230

>>15947183
I can't spoil that without spoiling everyone's ending if I go into any detail. I will try to make it as simple as possible: Hakuoro becomes a regular human and with Eruruu gis going back to live with his loved ones.

The other's as follows: Oboro/Kurou are in the dog house with Benawi, Benawi is a fucking slave driver, Oboro wants to retire for good, Carrier and Touka go back to their inn with Urutorii as their guest and are probably up to something, and Kamyu and Aruruu are off on a journey for a spoiler reason.

That's basically it for the old cast.

>> No.15947521

>>15946127
To be fair, I get hit by Misaki's instant kill attack just as much.

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>mfw I accidentally wander into the /vg/ thread

Those poor, poor EOPs.

>> No.15948520

>>15947813
>accidentally
Yeah, nobody is buying your bullshit here, buddy.

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I am about to play this. I know it is good but right now I need something to fill my heart. Is it a good game for that?

>> No.15949111

>>15949080
Either that or it'll bore you out of your mind.

>> No.15949121

Which version of Phantom should I play, remake or Integration? Is there any significant differences in script between those versions?

>> No.15949444

>>15949080
I found its message to be very positive so yeah. But be aware that the "routes" are basically afterthoughts in a mostly linear story, you shouldn't play it for that or you'll be disappointed at some stuff

>> No.15949469

>>15949444
I don't think those really count as "routes"

>> No.15949502

>>15949469
Exactly, just trying to prevent disappointment

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I see several of the chapter endings to SubaHibi in youtube like RH1 and Insects, but not the 素晴らしき日々 ending where he has that conversation with Kimura (pic related). Am I not looking hard enough or is it not on there? Weird.

>> No.15949862

Guys whats the difference between 夜明け前より瑠璃色な and Brighter than dawning blue version? I already downloaded the original 18+ one, but if the latter one has more content I can play it & get h-scenes from the original after I have finished other one as well.

>> No.15950385

>>15949080
I usually like THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP, but I ended up being bored by asairo. It really is just a ひよゲー。

>> No.15950511

People who like cute girls this game has cute girls in it please watch

https://youtu.be/6hAJodjHqFE

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New asa project game

They always have the best ops

Hopefully itll be funny like the others

Also the game isnt like other eroges its like a parody of sorts

You kinda would like that mindset otherwise youre probs gonna have a bad time

1:45

スキとスキとでサンカク恋愛 - オープニングムービー

https://youtu.be/B7oTnBe0b44

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>>15950547
Found this in it is that their previous work?
The blonde girl I dont remember.

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>>15950568

>> No.15950617

>>15950583
Whoops forgot to the titles

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What do you guys think about onomatopoeia

Heard this was a nukige but kinda interested in the plot
https://vndb.org/v14321
https://vndb.org/v17825

>> No.15950663

>>15950650
>six people working on the scenario
>Unavoidable Harem Ending, More Than Seven Heroines
I can take a guess

>> No.15950686

>>15950568
It's a bunch of their previous works combined into one title.

>> No.15950693

>>15950663
So you get six stories for the price of one? Sounds like a great deal.

>> No.15950770

>>15946590
Kuon is a completely disloyal girl.

>> No.15950773

>>15950583
They should concentrate on making games with girls making funny faces. That's their strong point.

>> No.15950925

>>15950773
their girls are pretty bony inducing yuuki rika is a great artist

>> No.15950965

http://bbs.mikocon.com/thread-26902-1-1.html

>[160826][POISON] 姉姉W催眠 [3.3G] [906630] (VM Release, please read note)

>This releases requires VMWare Player.

>Please verify that you can start the VM Environment prepared by 2DJGAME.
>Incompatible is not accepted as a reason for requesting refund.

>1-4: Refer to http://bbs.mikocon.com/thread-26877-1-1.html
>5. Download VM pre-installed with game in this thread
>6. Extract and run ThinPC.vmx
>7. If asked to move or copy, please click move
>8. Run 姉妹W催眠 from desktop. 100% save is included.

Haha, what a bunch of incompetent shits.

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This beach... I've been here before, so many times. Dang, I didn't expect it in this way at all.

>> No.15950975

>>15950965
Why don't you release shit then? Fuck off kid COME OVER HERE AND FIGHT ME

>> No.15950978

>>15950972
Is it worth playing the game just for her?

>> No.15950999

>>15950978
I generally don't like yanderes, but she's a good one.

>> No.15951038

>>15950972
Yeah dude Baldr Sky is great

>> No.15951156

anyone as excited for あきゆめくくる as I am

>> No.15951222

>>15951156
ya

>> No.15951256

>>15951222
haha same...

>> No.15951303

>>15951156
Kiss is adorable and sounds adorable too
Her CV really fits her
The other girls im not interested in other than blondie.

Shame theres no OP

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This is the first part of Evenicle that's made me actually angry. This boss has a fuckton of HP, my moves barely damage him, right? So I thought I was doomed, until I realized poison does 10% of HP no matter what. Lo and behold, Gurigura's poison started fucking the boss up and a shifted gears to defending Gurigura so she could keep inflicting it.

And yet, apparently, despite this strategy being 100% effective and doubtlessly leading to my victory (see pic, he was goin down), the story has the team throw in the towel and forces me to flee. I don't know what's going to happen next but I bet I have to do some arbitrary thing to lower its defense or skip the battle entirely, even though I could have won on my own with a simple strategy. Really upsetting. It's not like this is the first time something like this has happened; the boss from CH4 required you to leave the lackies alive or you died instantly, so this is similarly tough unless you figure it out. Maybe have QD in the death screen say "try poison".

>> No.15951428

Gonna try mousou complete! Been wanting to try for sometime has anybody played it?

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>>15951428

>> No.15951448

What are some recent games that will make me cry like a bitch? Games that will make me "feel".

>> No.15951478
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For the anon who wanted Divi-Dead, I just started downloading it (will take a hell of a long time).

I'm thinking about writing a general Clubbox guide but I'm not sure where to host it and if there's going to be any interest.

>> No.15951502

>>15951478
I'd be very glad for a guide.

>> No.15951519

>>15951478
Can't you just post it here?

>> No.15951524

>>15951428
>>15951431
Those girls are extremely cute but it sounds like a shitty nukige

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>>15951524
>nukige
?
Its about dreams and stuff i dont get the nukige vibe

>> No.15951568

>>15951550
If you read the description in vndb it sounds like it starts off with an H-scene. Seems more like a moe-nukige than a pure love moege. I haven't played it, if it turns out to be different please correct me.

>> No.15951577

>>15951519
The guide? I wanted to make one with images.

>> No.15951605
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Cute!

>> No.15951630 [DELETED] 

>>15951478
I'm been seeding the iso on nyaa.

>> No.15951644

>>15951431
>>15951428
I didnt play but I remember that many people were shitting on it and complaining how kusoge it is for some reason. Also it has 50 at EGS so probably not worth of playing.

>> No.15951645

>>15951478
I'm seeding the iso on nyaa.

>> No.15951693
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Exercitus was pretty fine, but the last part felt rushed.
They had a lot of (optional) heroine events left and just started dumping them all at once in the last chapters. There were literally 5 girls which got all their events in the last chapter, while the rest had them divided over multiple chapters before. Likewise there was a decent amount of "main-events" too, but somewhere the gameplay went missing. This was then rounded up by one of the most miserable final dungeons I've seen and a weak unimpressive final boss battle. (no second form, nothing remotely special) Weird as hell.

Afterwards you can play an extra "scenario" as "post-game", but that's just two old maps recycle without anything special either. Followed by 6(!) threesome+ h-scenes. Btw., the last chapter's event dumping also had over 10 h-scenes dumped among it. Who, the fuck, needs that all at once dumped on them? Is the game assuming the player won't like more than 2 girls at most anyway? But then why the three(+)somes? (Which btw. pair all the good girls with shit ones)


But, well. I'm sure this wasn't how they planned it at first. While the story doesn't seem incomplete, the gameplay.. sure does. Not like it really matters that much, near the end you can cheese everything anyway. (the balancing.. could be better)

>> No.15951743

>>15951568
>>15951644
Okay after reading it through it does kinda seem like it, though it must be pretty bad if it got 53

Sone people commeneted how its only good for the the art

I'll probably try 変恋≒黒歴史

I mainly just like the art by azumi kazuki

>> No.15951885

I preferred uta 3 to senmomo. By a good margin too.

>> No.15951920

>>15951885
I'm not sure why you would compare them, but most people did. Utaware is the best game this year.

>> No.15951992

I want to finish hatsuyuki sakura but I don't want to do the oreko's and Shirokuma's routes. If I ctrl through them is much missed?

>> No.15952000

>>15951920
They are both fantasy games that came out in the same month. /jp/ likes August.

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>>15951992
Shes the best girl why do you wanna skip her?

Shirokumas route gets hectic bear the end so theres that

>> No.15952100

>>15951693
Finishing all of those h-scenes before the last chapter was pretty cancerious for me. I mean who the hell thought that giving 6-7 h-scenes in a row would be a good idea? Yeah most of the h-scenes were pretty hot and great in the game, but it sure gets boring when you play 5-6 of those in a row.

Also Luana definitely needed more events, as a rival of the main heroine she and her relationship with mc is just too underwhelming. I'd enjoy some Marianne and Rico scenes too, but well it cant be helped I guess.

アリスティア・リメイン seems like a better version of it, but unfortunately it doesn't have as many characters as exercitus, which was the best point of the game.

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>>15951992
Also aya's route ties into the true end so theres that

Shirokuma is just nonsense most of the time

>> No.15952133

>>15952095
I read her route and felt things.

>> No.15952147

>>15952095
She had the only route I liked in the whole game.

>> No.15952239

>>15952117
I don't intend on skipping anything about her, just Shirokuma and the kouhai with massive tits.

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>>15952100

Well, I mostly skip them anyway. In this case though I even skipped a lot of not ero-events popping up in the final chapter. Did the twintail (Elpis) and pretty much just skipped the rest, in case there's some dungeons or whatever. It was just too much at once. Reminded me of later chapters in Kami no Rhapsody. I also simply skipped most of the scenes of most really late joining characters. You are just sitting there for hours doing loosely connected side-events. Fun is something else.

Luana was indeed weird though. I kinda wondered why she was even on the final CG. When was she promoted to main-heroine? Then again, the whole way the game handles its girls is kinda.. weird. I mean it has a main-heroine. Sorta. Maybe? I feel like many sub-heroine had more "satisfying" endings to their "arcs" then Chloe had. Meh. 5 writers.

>> No.15952407

>>15952303
I actually liked most of the character events, but not having any connection fucked it up for sure. I mean okay you didnt want to connect them to the main story, its kinda understandable since there are 5 writers but connect the fucking side events at least. There isn't any fucking connection even between x character 1 and x character's 2. events.

Also imo they didnt want to end the game at this way, but because of the budget or something they had to force themselves. For example you can easily see that they wanted to make marianne as a tsunderish royal servant to the mc, who supports him etc but since she joined like 1-2 chapter before the ending they couldn't make any progress with her. Its same as the luanna, mc was finally being able to make some progress with her, then boom game just ended there.

Lastly, the ending cg should have something like all together etc, I'm not sure what the fuck is luana doing there either.

>> No.15952604

>>15949862
No one?

>> No.15952954

>>15952604
https://vndb.org/v232/releases
> has an expanded version of the original story as well as two new heroines, Estel Freesia and Toyama Midori

>> No.15953704

Newfag here.
So, D&D's writer is known for his difficult style? I played it for 2 hours but couldn't get past the beginning part with the thieves. It actually tired me out.

>> No.15953708

If anyone's interested, I've got a copy of Igasaki Ayaka's demo promoting the debut work of her new company Shirokuma Dango and game Iyashi no Megami from Denkigai that I could upload to Mega.

I'm quite interested since I haven't heard of many seiyuu taking the big roles in an eroge company. I value the audio part of eroge so having someone at the helm with firsthand experience on it is reassuring, at least in that part, even if she might not be top seiyuu material for me.

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>>15953704
Mareni is indeed known for his difficult style composed on lengthy sentences and an expansive vocabulary which makes heavy use of older, pre-war Japanese constructs. If you read EGS, you'll see his prose mentioned as a negative and a positive pretty consistently. It should be noted, though, that despite being comparatively difficult, he's not an author that would completely floor a literate Japanese individual, and indeed if I recall the thieves part only took me like 10-20 minutes to get through, so if you struggled so much it's likely that you just don't really know Japanese well in the first place. Coming back in 2~ year will yield very different results.

>> No.15953844

>>15951156
I am at maximum hype. should be a fun christmas break.

>> No.15953941

>>15953784
Yeah, I've been learning for quite a while but only started actually reading like 5 months ago.

Would you say Steins;Gate and Chaos;Child are actually on the easier side of the spectrum? Those are the only ones I've finished so far. Took me almost 90 hours for S;G and around 100 for C;C, but I didn't have much of a problem after the first few days. Going through S;G 0 now, the only little problem I have is that I can't keep up with character voices when they're saying lots of technical stuff. Otherwise, I'm still not reading fast, but I don't find it difficult.

Any recommendations that are relatively easier but also a bit challenging in order to get good? Even after 2 years of moege, I would still find D&D difficult, after all.

>> No.15954014

>>15953941
Mareni is in a league of his own almost when it comes to VNs, I at least don't know of any author who tries to emulate classical authors in the ways he does. Reading moege for 2 years actually would be a big help, because a large source of frustration when it comes to Mareni is his convoluted grammar structure which actually becomes fairly natural after extensive exposure to Japanese. As for his vocabulary, you're right to guess that 2 years of moege won't be all it takes to bridge the gap. You'll need to either read through authors published before World War 2 as practice, or you'll need to just read Mareni himself as practice. I've never seen a VN author use his level of vocabulary so sticking to VNs in the first place will only get you so far. That said, his vocabulary isn't alien or anything, so as long as you read stories with competent writers who use a large vocabulary too (e.g. Hino Wataru) you'll be able to treat Mareni's classical vocabulary as almost "sci fi" terminology and guess what he's referring to somewhat easily.

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>>15951156
I also am extremely hype.

>> No.15954515

>>15932922
Evenicle doesn't really click with me to be honest. Guess I'm just not a fan of its humour and battle system.

>> No.15954766

>>15954014
Pretty much this.

I don't really find Mareni that "hard" nowadays except in the sense that he doesn't hold back on using less common and sometimes old-fashioned vocabulary (which usually has furigana anyway). He does, however, demand that you've really, properly internalized Japanese grammar and sentence structure, because he sure does utilize the language to its fullest extent. Personally, I find his rich prose a treat to read compared to the relatively sterile styles of most contemporary Japanese authors. But yeah, if you're still a beginner he'll be nigh-incomprehensible.

Basically: read more, git gud, come back in a couple of years.

>> No.15955168

I really like the female designs in Re:Lief. The girls look mature without stepping into the usual ugly MILF look that older anime girls usually have. Perfect

>> No.15955578

>>15955168
None of them are even close to looking older or mature

>> No.15955590

>>15955578
Found the MILF fucker.

>> No.15955609

>>15955590
Fuck off back to your cave, degenerate lolicon

>> No.15955618

>>15955609
Aren't you busy masturbating to wrinkles and saggy tits MILF fucker?

>> No.15955630

I think Fue is my favorite underrated artist. Too bad his art is stuck in bad games...

>> No.15955631

>>15955168
>>15955590
>>15955609
Both are good though.

>> No.15955640

I think I want to play an otome game. Anything you guys particularly like?

>> No.15955660

>>15955640
Someone asked in the previous thread and these pc games were recommended by a "straight dude":
https://vndb.org/v8095
https://vndb.org/v13905

>> No.15955674

>>15955640
Meiji tokyo renka was cute.
Kinda feels like there's someone asking about otome games every second thread now.

>> No.15955686

>>15954515
An idea I'm nursing is proposing that if you liked Dragon Quest 8, you'll like Evenicle. I'm getting heavily similar vibes from them.

>> No.15955708

>>15955618
Come back when you acually know what mature is you stupid donkey, some of those characters are flat for fuck sake

>> No.15955732
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This one seems bugged. I got 40 kills and still didn't get the FC point. Anyone knows how to actually obtain it?

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>>15955630
Is Fue the artist that made this? Saw it back on /a/ many years ago and it's still one of my favourite no name character.

>> No.15956033

>>15955640
Shinigami to Shoujo and Taisho Alice. They're the most eroge-ish out of what I've read and have good MCs.

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>>15933669
>>15932633
I dunno man, I'm in Chapter 6 and I think it's going to be hard to recover from this
>>15932853
>Erimo
I've been skipping all her romance scenes because she just feels like a guy to me, I feel not an ounce of moe for her.

>> No.15956407

What's better, Clover Days or Aokana?

>> No.15956518

>>15955640
>>15956033
Didn't read Shinigami, but Taisho Alice was pretty good and yeah some of the interactions are actually pretty eroge-ish so it felt familiar.

>> No.15956537

>>15951156
Why? Is it a sequel of something? What is there to be hyped about?

>> No.15956543

>>15956537
>he hasn't played Watanabes games
>2016

>> No.15956551

>>15956543
Not him but Harukuru sounds like garbage

>> No.15956560
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>>15956551
Newfags...

>> No.15956564

>>15956560
The genre shift doesn't excuse it being a shitty nukige in the beginning. I find it impossible to get invested in characters who are filthy sluts.

>> No.15956570

>>15956551
How new do you have to be to eroge to judge them by their summary? Lurk more.

>> No.15956575

>>15956551
Harukuru is a fucking wild ride and a pretty solid game on top of that, once you get through the initial avalanche of porn.

It does however benefit considerably from going in blind. Not to say it's a tweeest game or that it's all about dramatic reveals, just that unraveling the mystery is a hell of an experience.

Lest I come off as a fanboy (I am) though I'll point out it's low budget as fuck, there's a mountain of sex scenes at the beginning that make it difficult to slog through, and it really, really needs about a dozen more CGs.

Still worth your time, though.

>> No.15956577

>>15956564
I was referring to >>15956570 . To be so ignorant of eroge, to judge a Watanabe game by the description.

>> No.15956590

>>15956564
>hormonal teenagers stuck in a house in the middle of nowhere with no modern conveniences for months on end
>'filthy sluts' because they start fucking to pass the time
Oh come on. Boredom is a cruel mistress.

>> No.15956598

>>15956577
I'm the same person.

>>15956575
I appreciate the honest response but like I said I can't get emotionally invested in girls with loose morals. If it weren't polygamy from the beginning I'd probably read it.

>>15956590
They can be sluts in nukige but I can't take the characters seriously if it's supposed to be a plotge. It's pretty filthy outside of nukige. They're practically not even human as far as I'm concerned, they're just animals.

>> No.15956601

>>15956598
Again, I was referring to "sounds like garbage", which mean judging a game by the description / tags. If you have a valid opinion from having read it (the genre shift doesn't excuse etc etc), okay, that's one thing, but judging it on the desc and stuff? Newfag and dumb as hell.

>> No.15956605

>>15956598
Retards staying away from good games is always nice to see.

>> No.15956611

>>15956598
This isn't my first day on the site so I won't try and change your mind, but it's a shame you feel that way.

You might take a look at Natsukumo then, it has standard single-girl route->dating->sex progression instead.

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>>15956575
>Lest I come off as a fanboy (I am) though I'll point out it's low budget as fuck, there's a mountain of sex scenes at the beginning that make it difficult to slog through, and it really, really needs about a dozen more CGs.
I disagree with this. Assuming you enjoy sex scenes and aren't one of those people who suffer/skip through them and read purely for the story, it's great. The reason we read sex scenes as opposed to just using CGs is because of the writing, and Harukuru has some of the best written sex scenes, simply because of how good the author is. So the opening is plenty enjoyable. As for the lack of CGs, again, I disagree, because of the fantastic use of sprites. The amount of effort and variation put into the spritework really keeps the VN going without them perfectly fine.

>> No.15956673

>>15956666
the fuck is up with your resolution

>> No.15956694

>>15956518
Shinigami is very different and instead reminiscent of eroge by having the atmosphere of a slow starting scenarioge. You're right about Taisho Alice being similar with interactions. I was thinking more the comedy but that pinpoints it a lot better.
StS is probably less eroge reader friendly but I'd still recommend it more just for the overall better story. It also has nothing as intensely disappointing as Taisho Alice's epilogue.

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>>15956673
I see nothing wrong with it.

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>>15956666
Mostly I'm just trying to play devil's advocate, unilaterally praising a game usually warns people away from it. I loved the game, my complaints are more 'if only's.

I rather liked how the porn was where they dropped most of the things are kinda fucked up hints, a lot of it was used more for character development more so than fap material. Summer's requested-rape scene in particular was great with All-Seasons-kun's growing horror at his own indifference to her pain being really well done.

As for the CGs, mostly I would've just liked some shots of what happened to the Earth. Though the description was good enough that imagination was enough.

>> No.15956884

>>15956858
It seems I missed some stuff. I skimmed through all the sex scenes and never came back to them.

>> No.15956914

>>15956858
I agree, people are too used to normal VNs where the sex scenes are just thrown-in filler, but Harukuru really was different. I think you could make an argument that each and every one of them developed a unique and interesting part of one of the characters. And the air of suspense about the world was fantastic.

>> No.15956922

>>15956884
It's hard to pinpoint any particular moment or line where things seem off, rather it's a general feeling of 'what the fuck, that's not normal' or 'why would she/he say that' and so on. A point to the writing that it can allude to things being weird without explicitly stating them.

It's good foreshadowing if you can manage to stay interested.

>> No.15956932

>>15956914
>you could make an argument that each and every one of them developed a unique and interesting part of one of the characters
Absolutely, Shizuna's wanting to be forcibly raped leads in to one of the major themes of the story, that you need to be able to trust that other people can recover by themselves, because you are going to have to hurt the people you care about eventually and you need to be okay with that.

Stop me if I interpreted that wrong though, it was honestly a message that resonated pretty strongly with me and I may have twisted the original in trying to make it meaningful to myself.

>> No.15956960

>>15956543
I'm sorry I'm quite new to all this. But reading the description it doesn't sound that interesting.

>> No.15956973

>>15956960
The writer is very good, full of energy and cracks a ton of solid jokes. Interesting plots with fun characters. What you're doing is essentially judging a book by the cover, which is really barking up the wrong tree.

>> No.15956980

If a vn needs sex to sell, it is not a good game.

>> No.15956995

>>15956973
I'll try this harukuru then. Is that a good place to start?

>> No.15956999

>>15956995
Yeah. Harukuru -> Natsukuru -> Akikuru

>> No.15957030

>>15956995
Spring, summer, then fall, yeah.

Do post impressions every once in a while if you want, those are always fun to read.

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>> No.15957362

How can there be "new" people? If you're new, that would mean your japanese is shit and you shouldn't be reading this anyways.

>> No.15957386

>>15957362
That implies no one ever learns Japanese except for visual novels

>> No.15957727

>>15955640
Why don't you ask the proper thread?

>> No.15957745

>>15957727
No otome thread on the jaypoo

>> No.15957783

>>15957386
Why else would you learn JAPANESE?

>> No.15957786
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Dear god that was cute as fuck.

>> No.15957801

>>15957783
1 - Business (before you meme, Japan does have a pretty huge economy that many businessmen learn Japanese for)
2 - Military (every friend of mine in the US Military has been to Japan at one point, they also have demand for interpreters)
3 - Any sort of weeb media like manga or anime, doesn't have to be VNs
4 - I know Japanese people in America who were either spoken to in Japanese by their parents, or otherwise immigrated for work/school reasons, who don't read VNs yet know Japanese
5 - I know people who took Japanese in college to fulfill a foreign language requirement and just stuck with it
6 - Koreans and the Chinese often learn Japanese because it's easier for them than Western languages in the same way Americans tend to learn Spanish because it's the "easiest" for them
It goes on and on my friend

>> No.15957821

>>15951478
I would be very interested in a guide.

>> No.15957827

>>15957745
>>>/vg/156966680

>> No.15957833

>>15957801
I'm surprised you responded to that.

>> No.15957834

>>15957833
Never underestimate the autism on here.

>> No.15957840

>>15957827
That's on /vg/ and thus irrelevant to jaypoo

>> No.15957847

>>15957840
It's a more suitable place for a question that keeps getting asked every thread.

>> No.15957848

>>15957847
Not for us here on jaypoo

>> No.15957883

>>15933158
>I like how it's a steady decline
>tfw near the very end one member of your party is forced out temporarily and the EXP becomes forcibly unbalanced
I'm unhappy

>> No.15957890

>>15957827
-english otome game discussion
-/jp/
pick one

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>>15957883
There's always this solution

>> No.15957892

>>15951478
Yes

>> No.15957903

>>15957890
Skimming through their thread, the screen shots they're discussing are in Japanese.

>> No.15957905

>>15957903
On /vg/, everyone's a machine translator just about. Same deal on /hgg/. They discuss it so naturally you don't expect it, but indeed, all MTL.

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>>15957891
I can't view your image because I haven't finished the game but I can have my autism twitch when I see this image after every single battle

>> No.15957911

>>15957905
Most otome games are on the Vita.

They were also on /jp/ once upon a time, but were kicked back to /vg/ because no one wants women here.

>> No.15957920

>>15957911
A few people knowing Japanese and posting vita games doesn't mean most of the thread does or can. It's unbalanced.

>> No.15957931

>>15957920
I went through the thread and there were quite a few posts containing Vita/PSP screenshots. In fact they were the majority.

>> No.15957932

>>15957920
So far there's more evidence that they can than that they can't.

>> No.15957935

>>15957931
>>15957932
I'm not sure what you didn't comprehend, but a few people posting doesn't speak for the whole thread. It's like 1 JOP for every 100 EOP. The JOPs just post more. Not a place for people who like equal discussions.

>> No.15957943

>>15957935
Using that logic, then EOPs are merely lurkers and not worth worrying about.

>> No.15957945

>>15957935
You're not making sense. People who don't post don't count as part of the thread.

>> No.15957947

>>15957943
>>15957945
They post in envy plenty - just not screenshots of games and not as much.

>> No.15957986

You guys misunderstand my post
>>15957890
/jp/ is for discussion of Japanese visual novels. Nukige, otome games, moege, whatever in Japanese.

/vg/ is for discussion of any type of eroge whether they're in English or French or Korean, whether they were made in Russia, America, or Ecuador, whether they're visual novels or not. It's irrelevant.

Just because some discussion of Japanese visual novels occurs on /vg/ doesn't make it the place to discuss all Japanese visual novels of a particular genre.

If you try and force discussion of otome games off /jp/ for some weird reason you have to force all discussion of visual novels off the board for the same reason. It would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The logic is not sound.

>> No.15958001

>>15957986
Okay, but seems odd to react that way because somebody suggested that it'd be a more suitable place to ask. I doubt most people here have played an otome game before.

>If you try and force discussion of otome games off /jp/
You could say that already happened given that said thread tried settling on /jp/ a long time ago.

>> No.15958006

>>15958001
>somebody suggested that it'd be a more suitable place to ask.
They originally said
>Why don't you ask the proper thread?
Way different tone and intent

>> No.15958036

>>15957986
The general in question is for both translated and untranslated Japanese games, but not for EVN type shit. And the selection of translated games is minuscule anyway.

>>15958001
>said thread tried settling on /jp/ a long time ago.
If they knew this, they wouldn't be overreacting or confused by its mention.

>> No.15958046

>>15958036
>EVN type shit.
What does otome have to do with this?
Also, remember that the nukige thread died too.

>> No.15958064

>>15958046
>What does otome have to do with this?
You (I'm assuming it was you) brought up non-Japanese games and I responded.

>> No.15958074

>>15943093
>or rarely does a game system add to a story.

The only game I can even think of that does is Photo Kano.

>> No.15958146

>>15951605
Read her whole route and can't remember anything but cake and a scene where you get to dress her up as something, possibly a maid. I can't even remember her name. How can a vn be so forgettable?

>> No.15958180

>>15956598
I read the vn near release for about 2 hours, I fapped a few times and uninstalled it because I thought it was a generic nukige. Some people swear by it but there was almost nothing interesting or hooking about the first few hours of the game for me. Only later would I find out there was a plot but I honestly could not bring myself to care and still can't. There are just too many release to bother going back.

>> No.15958197

>>15958180
I mean, sage time is a hell of a drug, but how do you see that giant tower above the inn stretching up to infinity and think 'eh, generic nukige'?

>> No.15958214

>>15958197
The only thing I saw stretching was vaginas. But honestly it's been a long time and I really don't remember. I'm sure it's good, people have told me I missed out I just really can't be bothered. Once I drop something it's for good.

>> No.15958251
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>>15958214
This one.
That's too bad, but I can understand not going back to something you've already dropped.

>> No.15958261

>>15958251
Ahh yes, the Tower of Salvation.

>> No.15958265

>>15958261
Phallic symbolism, naturally. Only through dick will ye be saved.

>> No.15958417

Is Toheart2 DX plus worth buying for the ps3? I'm very torn because it does not have any porn but I love Mio's character design and she is up my alley. I've been watching on youtube but it's not the same.

>> No.15958436

I unreservedly withdraw all complaints I had about Himawari. I finished the 2nd chapter and it's perfect in every way. Much, much better than anything I ever expected, after Island.

>> No.15958455

>>15958436
How can you have complaints before finishing a vn? Though I agree anything made by Front Wing puts me off a bit.

>> No.15958461

>>15958455
>How can you have complaints before finishing a vn?
Easily? If there's something about the VN from what you've that's bad you can have complaints about it. Awkward dialogue, typos, tons of stuff.

>> No.15958482

>>15958461
Not sure how you go from having complaints to it's perfect. Be more nuanced and have some perspective.

>> No.15958483

>>15958461
Why would anything Chapter 2 did make you withdraw complaints about typos and awkward dialogue in Chapter 1?

I certainly agree though that Chapter 2 is the shit. I liked Chapter 1 for what it was, but 2 is on another level. Just started 3 and hope it can keep it up.

>> No.15958486

>>15958482
>>15958483
I'm not that guy, I was just answering your/his question.

>> No.15958517

>>15958482
Well, there were certain tropes and literary choices I didn't enjoy at the time, but having read further I found that they were actually important development adding depth to the characters and the story. Now, you can argue I was foolish for judging it too early, and in this case you would be right, but in the most case a VN doesn't have the amazing strength of emotional effect and nuanced level of character interaction of Himawari, and hence in general I would be correct for making the assumption that these personality choices were meaningless or for comedic effect, and justified in criticising it.
But you're right, it was hasty of me and I unreservedly apologise and will endeavour to reserve judgement more for authors I know to be highly praised in future.

>>15958483
Hey, you're at about the same place as me. It really was glorious, wasn't it? I am so, so hype to see what is coming, to see if it can equal or possibly even surpass that absolutely incredible climax that 2 achieved.

>> No.15958554

>>15958036
That makes no sense. There are tons of EVNs on /vg/ They have an entire thread dedicated to EVNs for Christ's sake.

>> No.15958560

>>15958554
And the thread linked isn't one of them. Did you hit your head?

>> No.15958693 [SPOILER] 
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紙の上の魔法使い spoilers.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH


as a brief aside, this is some great melodrama, I'm really into it, love all the main characters, getting dragged every which way by the twists and turns, etc. but FUCK.

>> No.15958892
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>>15958265

Oh?

You can say what you want about this one, but it foreshadows. Though I still think it was ultimately not that good. I wasn't too fond of the last route, and especially not that asspull ending it had. I mean come on: Do you fucking know how long it takes for vegetation to appear? Or what, is the ending supposed to be symbolic for "they are all nuts now and hallucinate"? Or did they just wait a couple of hundred years more, because WHY NOT, and I just didn't catch that one...

Well, anyway, it had its fun parts. Fuyune best girl.
Though to be honest.. before I'd recommend this one I'd probably recommend Island first. The route I read of it did my favorite element of harukuru much much better. Though they are still rather different in a lot of aspects of course.

>> No.15958908

>>15958693
sister chose death after being forced to have sex with another random guy FeelsBadMan

>> No.15958937

>>15958892
What the fuck, that's your problem? You're fine with the sudden massive ice age, you're fine with the death of the Y-chromosome, you're fine with the reason for jellyfish's long lifespan being the ability to tamper with fundamental string theory? You're fine with a 4-dimensional AI born from the human group consciousness building a rocket capable of using the heat of the Earth as a power source and transporting the entire planet light-years to another solar system? But a couple sakura trees growing up so quickly is too unrealistic and unbelievable that it ruined your belief in the story? I mean seriously what the fuck?

I will agree that Fuyune is best girl though. Although I don't agree Island was better.

>> No.15958981

>>15958908
Stop that. You're wording makes it sound like she fucked a random dude and then died when in fact she died to prevent it from happening.

>> No.15958998
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>>15958937

Ice Age isn't unbelievable. Nor are mutations and the like when humans would need to live in extremely limited space outside of their natural habitat. Lack of the sun and such is quite a big deal, as an example.
Then we have sci-fi elements. The game has weaknesses here which actually lead to plotholes and nonsense parts, which I have written about here in the past and I won't repeat, especially because details become blurry over time anyway. But it does have a few fun ideas, and while not all makes sense, one can deal with it.
But. The ending in itself is a major part of storytelling, as it wraps up key-elements, gives a message and so on. Plus it's the final thing you see of the game. An ending will obviously stick with you when you think of the story. And in this case it was just WAY to ideologic. Given the whole theme with "last humans" and whatnot, such an idyllic scene is just bad if you ask me. If you wanna do plot, do plot. This ending just feels so very different from the final parts of the game. So very unfitting. So inharmonic. Like an ending to a different game. Just so we get our little happy sappy ending. I don't like that. And I know this isn't the only Japanese story that does that. Nor is it the worst case of this particular pattern. It's still pretty bad though. And, the worst thing is: It was super unnecessary too. They could've just made the also kinda cliché but still more valid "a little budding plant in the middle of a giant wasteland" ending to symbolize a new beginning.


But yeah. In a way it's a bit my personal taste here. Ever since I played Atelier Totori and saw its true ending which literally fucks over all character development and makes everything you did in the game invalid, just for a fucking happy ending, I'm a little.. sensible when it comes to this kind of stuff. And mind you, other people don't even give a fuck, because what's bad about a happy ending, right? So yeah, have some Fuyune.

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No one answered me about toheart2 DX plus on the ps3. It's going to be my first time reading 2heart 2. I hope Mio is worth no ero she is super cute but I can't find any porn of her, either way I can pirate the 18+ version without feeling bad now.

>> No.15959683

>>15959666
Report back on the MC please, I've been wanting to play ToHeart2 (mainly due to the floods of tama-nee porn) but I hear the MC is really obnoxious

>> No.15959690

>>15958455
its not originally from frontwing so

>> No.15959820

>>15959690
wtf i hate himawari now

>> No.15960059

>>15958998
Not that guy but ideologic isn't the right word. It was symbolic. 'Spring' is a major leitmotif throughout the entire story, it's in the title, it's in the themes, it's in the fucking engrish subtitle in the bottom corner of every screen; 'spring' itself has gone beyond the concept of just being a natural season and into a symbolic representation of rebirth, an end to the stagnation of winter, and all that good stuff the poets have been talking about for millennia. So when they get out, and there's blooming cherry blossoms all over the place, it's the most goddamn fitting thing they could possibly have put in a Japanese game to represent that yes, spring has finally come.

'Realistic' or not it was thematically the best thing they could have done. A little budding plant in a wasteland might be cute but what that really means for the characters is, more waiting. More cycles. And the entirety of the game has been them waiting out an inhuman amount of time. To end it like that isn't 'fitting', it just shits all over everything the characters went through, and it's incredibly unsatisfying to readers. You're ending it before the story is over.

Besides, they did actually wait a couple hundred years more, the AI points out even if they get there and the ice melts they still have to wait for the planet to become liveable again (i.e. vegetation to sprout up).


tl;dr you may be letting personal biases affect your enjoyment of a thing as you say

>> No.15960225

What's a vn with a focus on yanderes but isn't complete shit? Are there any good yandere heroines that aren't retardly annoying?

>> No.15960271

>>15960225
https://vndb.org/v11110

>> No.15960289
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>>15960225
キミへ贈る、ソラの花 was a pretty mediocre moege with a surprise yandere heroine who made it worth reading. Not the stabby crazy kind, the manipulative possessive kind. Dunno if that's your type but I'm personally sick of yandere being exclusively girls who pull out knives at the slightest provocation. As a plus, you get to pick your choice of 'bad' or 'good' ending, both of which are pretty fleshed out instead of stubs where you die in three lines.

As far as I know though the girl in the pic is the only yandere one in the game. Got a good ways into another girl's route to find out it was just your standard fare except in ghost school for ghosts, then lost interest.

>> No.15960322

>>15960289
That sounds like what I'm looking for thanks.

>> No.15960579

>>15960225
Tsuyokiss has a yandere just as >>15960289 explained.

>> No.15960596

>>15959683
So two hours in and it looks like MC is bad at talking with girls. Not in the anime way where he fumbles his words or accidentally gropes them, he just remains silent and doesn't know what to say. Something I can relate to. So far I he does not seem to act like an anime character not sure what the com plants are. On a side note, Yuji, the mc's male friend is pretty fucking cool. I typically do not like the male characters in vns, half the times I hate them, but yuji is genuinely a cool bro and feels like a real friend already.

So far it's been worth my money. I'll give an update later.

>> No.15960604

>>15960579
I'm someone else but regarding Tsuyokiss, I've read the original and have wondered about 2gakki and 3gakki. Is either one worth reading? I've heard 2 is bad but the common route is worthwhile because is introduces the new characters that are also in 3.

>> No.15960605

>>15960596
Cool, that doesn't sound too bad.

>> No.15960612

>>15960604
You already played the actually good game.

>> No.15960656

>>15960059
Thanks for this quality response, this is pretty much exactly what I would have said in response to him, and I agree completely. It was a beautiful ending.

>> No.15960734

>>15960604
As a someone who is a huge fan of tsuyokiss, "definitely" dont play 2gakki, or at least the heroine routes. They are literally just a bad version of the original game, same events but more retarded writing with very bad jokes.

The common route of the 2gakki isn't very good either, but as you have said it introduces Serebu (the new heroine) so it might worth of playing, just "that" part at least.

3gakki is pretty good through, not a good as original but somewhere close to it with its after stories etc. Also I hope you played the "tsuyokiss full edition" version, since the original one doesn't have the Konoe route.

>> No.15960759

>>15960612
Well shit.
>>15960734
Yeah, I did play the one with updated PS2 stuff. Would I miss much by just skipping right to 3? If 2 is really required to get to know the new heroine's character I guess I'll just ctrl to whatever common scenes include her.
Thanks a lot for the information.

>> No.15960782

>>15960759
Nah 3gakki gives a brief summary about her for the people who didn't play 2gakki, you wouldn't miss too much. Its kinda short, but you'll get her personality etc at least.

>> No.15960789

>>15960782
Alright, guess I'll just jump to 3gakki then. Thanks again.

>> No.15960820

>>15960789
Hope you'll enjoy it as much as me. Speaking of 3gakki, it has a pretty good OP as well; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0FFtCM0_Zw

>> No.15960827

Tomose Shunsakus art is very nice. I wish his art was in more games

>> No.15961442

>>15960827
I like his art in Akatsuki no Goei, but the way he draws eyes in later games looks kind of creepy to me.

>> No.15961724
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>>15960289
art reminds me chuunibyou love eq

>> No.15961729

>>15961724
Also inb4 comments about the hips.

The rest of the art is fine.

>> No.15961733

Can somebody redpill me on protagonists that have no face?
I get background characters because they are hard to draw many but why a main character?

>> No.15961739

Can chinese people understand jap?
I mean I see tons of chinese play japanese games and stuff its ridiculous.
The have hacking communities rather than the japanese and tons of eroge forums and so-on.

>> No.15961751

>>15961739
Official studies have shown knowing Chinese cuts about a thousand hours off learning Japanese (to JLPT1 level) due to knowing all the characters. So, at the very least, it's easier for a Chinese individual to learn Japanese than just about anyone else (excluding maybe Koreans, especially older ones or educated ones who studied characters in high school more fervently)

>> No.15961799

>>15961751
Okay is that why they are into eroge that much?

Didnt know that thought it was a cultural thing how jap and chinese culture are similar and they can relate better or sonething

>> No.15961805

>>15961733
self-insert

>>15961739
i have a chinese friend learning jp and it helps but that's it, he's still learning like anyone else

>> No.15961828

>>15961805
>self insert
Do most people playing have no faces?

>> No.15961881
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>>15961828
maybe you can easily self-insert as either of these guys but not everyone can. when MC is faceless it's easier for the majority to do so, this is in part why MC isn't voiced either but you also save alot by having a faceless voiceless character responsible for most of the game text

this is really all common sense

>> No.15961908

>>15961799
The west is pretty into anime stuff too

>> No.15961993
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http://www.alcot.biz/product/yomegami/special_trial.html
Trial is out for the new Alcot game.

>> No.15962025

>>15961993
Cute

>> No.15962027

>>15961881
Not really self insert but id rather want to enjoy reading something from a third person point of view i cant relate either way.

>> No.15962031

>>15961993
Glasses is trying to touch her butt

>> No.15962034

>>15962031
She looked like the only non slut too, shame...

>> No.15962061

>>15962027
i don't care for self-insert either but there's a third person narrative tag on vndb so there's some stuff out there

>> No.15962456
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>>15961828
Sometimes no face is just better.

Often enough it fits with blank personality of the protag.

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>>15962456
I prefer faceless heroines, personally.

>> No.15962674
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>>15962613
brother

>> No.15962708
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>>15962613
>>15962674
They are pretty cute indeed.

>> No.15962814
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15962814

What's with all the food discussion?

>> No.15962838

>>15962814
Because it ties it into the same world as 姫汁 and 聖ブリュンヒルデ学園少女騎士団と純白のパンティ?

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>>15962708
The sequel to that can't come fast enough for me.

I prefer Maya though.

>> No.15963033

>>15962456
I'd prefer face though, rater than seeing some faceless monster

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>>15963033
>faceless monster
you seem to have that backwards

>> No.15963585

What are some eroge with badass heroines being badasses? Ones that don't turn into boring moeblobs in their routes.

Bonus points for being paired with a proactive/competent protagonist.

>> No.15963604

>>15963585
G線上の魔王

>> No.15963625

>>15963585
Muramasa. Kanae in particular is fantastic.

>> No.15963634

>>15963604
>>15963625
I read both of these years ago unfortunately, but yeah, that's the sort of thing I had in mind.

>> No.15963686

>>15963585
Bansenjin's Nanten, though sadly she mellows towards the end and all the other girls in both games are moeblobs.

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>>15963585

To me one of the most badass small girls, but probably not what you mean. She's incredibly sweet. And teasable. And yet pretty damn badass.
Well, probably nobody here cares 'cause "yuri".

>> No.15963985

>>15963585
It's kinda old so don't know if you have already read it but amatsukaze would be prety great for that.

>> No.15964334

Anyone has the problem with blinking cursor in Daimekyuu and Daimewaku? How do you fix it?

>> No.15964936

>>15963585
Phantom, Cal in particular.

>> No.15965086

>>15963585
Chitose from Silverio Vendetta

>> No.15965251

>Start playing 辻堂さんの純愛ロード
The first route was cute as hell along with all the delinquent and siscon shenanigans. Always nice when the characters develop into cuteness.

>> No.15965804

Any VN where there are characters speaking in fukui dialect?

>> No.15966182

>>15965804
Doubtful. There are very few VNs with characters that speak anything like an actual dialect. At best you might get a weird caricature of a mishmash of various Kansai dialects, heavily toned down to make it easier for Tokyoites to understand.

Apparently the dialects in Monobeno and Maitetsu are fairly accurate. And supposedly https://vndb.org/v1180 has pretty authentic Kansai-ben. That's probably about the best you'll get.

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>>15961733
I guess it kinda also applies to voices as well while I enjoyed voiced protagonists some people don't, this from a comment about otome domain. Still could be because the MC is a girly boy.

後から追加ディスクやらパッチやら特典やらで主人公の声が追加されるというのは、声がついてない時にプレイした場合、主人公のイメージから、声を勝手に脳内で想像して、セリフを読んでるときに脳内補完していく感じになる為、追加された後プレイしてみると、思っていた声と全然違い、イメージが崩れたり、結局ボイスをオフにするということがよくある。
というかボイスが追加されたからってもう一回プレイする気にはなかなかなれないし。

>> No.15966257

>>15966182
>Tokyoites
Isn't it less for those from Tokyo, but those across the country in general?

>> No.15966259

What's your fav eroge this year mine's probably

オトメ*ドメイン
and
ちびパイア!

>> No.15966264

>>15966259
Akikuru

>> No.15966282

>>15966259
Akeiro was probably the one I had the most fun with. And I remember it well even six months later so that's a good sign.

>> No.15966321

>>15966229
>this from a comment about otome domain
But he's talking about voices added in a patch, not there from the beginning.

>> No.15966425

Any recent releases that read like rail soft stuff?

>> No.15966578

>>15966321
Yes, hes talking about how voices ruined it for him

>> No.15966604

>>15966578
Pretty sure he's talking about general cases (not particularly with Otome Domain) wherein one reads an unvoiced protag game, then tries the voiced version and has their mental image broken. Completely different from the discussion of voiced protags in general.

>> No.15966958

>>15966259
GEARS of DRAGOON 2
祝姫

>> No.15967072

>>15966425
You can drop the "recent" part and the answer is still no. The closest you'll get is probably Crescendo and Setoguchi's stuff.

>> No.15967082

>>15967072
>Setoguchi
Eh? I read Kurai Heya and aside from being "novel-esque" I didn't ever think of him as being comparable to Mareni's style. Why is it that you draw that comparison? Just that it's novel-esque?

>> No.15967101

>>15967082
>Just that it's novel-esque?
Yeah, that's the only reason. It's hard enough to find eroge writers who use a "novel-like" style at all, and no one even outside of eroge writes like Mareni unless you go back to pre-war literature.

Oh, and I forgot to mention Shinju no Yakata, which is (partly) written by Mareni but isn't a Liar/raiL title.

>> No.15967520
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>>15966259
Gears of Dragoon 2 or Baldr Heart

>> No.15967531

>>15966259
戦国†恋姫X

>> No.15967535

>>15966958
>>15967520
Starting to feel bad for overlooking this due to protagonist looking dumb

>> No.15967540

>>15966264
But Akikuru is coming out in 2015.

>> No.15967551

>>15966259
Tokyo necro and amatsutsumi.

>> No.15967569

>>15967535
It's not like it has deep plot or anything but still decent and I did like the machine-route a lot too. But its mostly extremely fun and good game, with some good H

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>>15943689
Ok, so after doing Aqua's scene in both the original and the remake, here is my thoughts.

The original is infinitely better. There are good VNs without sex scenes and there are well-developed romance stories without porn. But Himawari was not made to be one of them. So with the original, you have the classic, beautiful development of their relationship, slowly growing closer, both physically and emotionally, learning to trust and to love each other, and culminating in a sex scene as they give themselves entirely to each other. Fantastically done.

Now, the remake doesn't really rewrite the scenes so much as butcher them. Instead of cutting the scene entirely and writing in something thematically fitting and equally powerful, they literally copy and paste it over, chainsaw out the explicitly lewd parts, violently bash the other lines into the round hole that is an all-ages VN scene, and call it a finished work. It's not just あああああ's which were cut, mind you, there is some beautifully written, heartfelt dialogue in the middle of that scene that was dropped, while much of the rest was copied and pasted into the new scenes. This means, of course, that it doesn't quite feel right, doesn't quite make sense, doesn't flow naturally like this passionate intercourse, verbally, emotionally and sexually, is supposed to. It's almost comical, reading the same lines twice, literally the exact same wording and sentences, but with singular nouns swapped out to turn a lewd conversation, which makes perfect sense when naked in bed after passionate sex, into something that doesn't.

Anyway, I'm very glad I chose to read the proper version alongside it.

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tfw accidentally deleted 99% of my baldr force exe screenshots

just kill me familia

>> No.15967997

>>15967955
子供何人欲しい?
Funny, really.

>> No.15968063

New

>>15968060

>> No.15968573

>>15967955
That screenshot is giving me diabetes and I haven't even read Himawari. Why can't more H-scenes be cute?

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