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Does True Assassin have to actually hit you to perform Zabaniya? The way he took out Lancer suggests no, but his fights with Saber, Rider, and Kotomine suggest yes.

>> No.1590991

I think he needs contact with the target to make the fake heart.

>> No.1591012
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1591012

<- Wait, found something in the game info. Hmm.

I notice a "Wise-Up" logo disappears after you view some info for the first time. Does that have any effect on the game?

>> No.1591016

>>1591012
>Does that have any effect
No, it just tells you so you know what you just learned.

Huh, then how'd Saber block it?

>> No.1591021

>>1591012
Lancer mgi is too low. Saber and Rider have it high enough to be immune to the fake heart trick, since Assassin wants to eat the heart he has to go for it with his long arm. Kotomine doesn't have a heart.

>> No.1591023

>>1591016
Saber has multiple hearts.

>> No.1591031

>>1591016

Doesn't she have really high luck? She avoided Lancer Gay Bulge, too.

>> No.1591047

>>1591023
Like a cow. Or wait, is that stomachs?

>> No.1591053

>>1591047
She has multiple stomachs, too.

>> No.1591058
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>>1591047
Saber has multiple stomachs too.

... These stats seem a bit off, considering how badly Sakura-powered Rider owned TA.

>> No.1591060

>>1591016
High MGI will prevent Zabaniya from working.

>> No.1591072

>>1591058
What's off? Rider's overall more powerful than TA.

>> No.1591086

>>1591072
Yeah, but Rider thoroughly kicked Assassins ass.

>> No.1591090

>>1591058

She was also Sakura-powered at the time, too. I'd imagine for a servant that's like strapping a rocket to an F-1 car.

>> No.1591099

>>1591072
But not in the stats that counted for that fight. She beat him with strength and speed, but their Strength and Agility stats look equal on paper.

>> No.1591105

Enough Rider/TA talk, I want to hear more abut Saber's many stomachs.

>> No.1591111

>>1591090
Those are supposedly her Sakura-powered stats though. She has a different set of stats while Shinji-powered, at least according to Wikipedia:
NP: A+
Strength: C
Endurance: E
Agility: B
Mana: B
Luck: D

>> No.1591112

>>1591099
Rider knows how to fight. Assassin doesn't.

>> No.1591147

>>1591112

Assassin does. But only stealth fighting.

Otherwise he's absolutely shit.

>> No.1591168

>but their Strength and Agility stats look equal on paper.

Rider has Monstrous Strength: B, her STR is higher than show on paper

>> No.1591176

assassin suks the only thing assasin can do in any game is get owned hard

>> No.1591178

>>1591099
Beserker also happens to have incredible stats, but ends up dying in all scenarios and never gets a kill other than Shinji.

>> No.1591183

>>1591147

All Assasins are shit. Even Koujiro is shit.

>> No.1591186

>>1591168
Only when she gives into her monster blood, which is a corrupting thing.

>> No.1591194

>>1591183
Kojiro successfully defended the temple against every servant except for Gilgamesh.

Don't talk trash against him.

>> No.1591218

Kojiro was just a samurai so shouldn't he be a saber instead of a assassin?

>> No.1591224

>>1591218
It's well known heroes don't always fit in their classes. See Shirou becoming Archer.

>> No.1591228

>>1591224

Isn't that because he actually used Archery in his life before becoming a servant?

>> No.1591229

>>1591224
Shirou could mimic Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon-thing with Unlimited Blade Works, and he had the bow that he flings Caladbolg II (and probably anything else) with.

>> No.1591246

>>1591194

He's a piece of shit that gets owned by stair steps. The only reason he could defend the gate is because of plot hax. Shitty servant is shitty. He makes TA look useful.

>> No.1591248

>>1591178
But he's always portrayed as a total beast in combat, as befitting his high stats. Getting killed 7 times in one stab by Caliburn was pretty BS.

>>1591218
Good question... IIRC Saber was summoned last, so it's not like Assassin was the last class left...

>> No.1591264

Kojiro wasn't a real servant anyway, Caster was his master. He was Chen if Caster was Ran and Shinji was Yukari. He was probably just shoved into the weakest class.

>> No.1591268

>>1591224
>>1591228
>>1591229
Shirou was quite the accomplished and successful archer back when was still at the Archery Club. His swordsmanship in comparison are quite weak and feeble.

>> No.1591272

>>1591264

Not Shinji, Kazuki. The teacher.

>> No.1591274

>>1591194
and all that with shitty stats (lul, servant summoning servant)and shitty mana back up,

>> No.1591278

>>1591246

Well someone has hate for Kojiro for no reason.

>> No.1591281

>>1591228
>>1591229
Even so, when Archer actually fights it's almost always with swords. And his Noble Phantasm is Unlimited BLADE Works after all...

>> No.1591288

>>1591194
Did he ever face Gilgamesh? Or Berserker, for that matter? I don't see how he could keep Berserker from bulldozing right over him.

>> No.1591290

How'd Hassan get there, anyways? They explained Gilgamesh's presence away, but if they explained where Hassan came from, I forgot :(

>> No.1591296

>>1591290
summoned using the still-living remains of Kojiro

>> No.1591305

>>1591296
Wasn't the first scene with Hassan showing him killing Kojiro with the arm as Hassan came to the temple?

>> No.1591315

>>1591305
No, wasn't the first scene with Hassan showing him tearing his way out of Kojiro's chest like an alien baby.

>> No.1591328

>>1591218
Kojiro's stats were too low to be summoned as Saber.

>> No.1591341

Holy shit epic GAR!

>> No.1591342

>>1591315
Oh, you're right, the Shadow killed Kojiro and Hassan came from his stomach.

>> No.1591369

Assassin is one of the seven normal Servant classes summoned for the Holy Grail War. Servants placed within this class are always, as a rule, one of the 19 Hassan i Sabbah, the leaders of the clan of the Hashshashins who passed the name down. This rule comes from how the word "assassin" itself finds its etymological roots in that clan.

The original Grail system didn't allow the summoning of evil Heroic Spirits (this rule was jeopardized when the Grail became corrupted), and a real, perfect assassin should normally be one nobody knows (thus one who cannot be a Heroic Spirit). For those reasons, the only Heroic Spirits normally allowed in that class are those leaders. The Assassin in Fate/stay night summoned by Caster is an exception, an aberration in the system, as he was summoned by another Servant.

The Assassins' special ability is Presence Concealment, which allows them to remain undetected. This, and their weak fighting skills, makes the Assassin class rely heavily on stealth and usually go after human Masters rather their Servants.

>> No.1591376

>>1591328
and it's the same for Shirou.
The requirements for a Saber isn't "fight with swords".

>> No.1591384

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

This guy should be summoned as a assassin...

>> No.1591413

>>1591281
1) Really, the "Archer" class would be more accurately called the "Ranger" class-- it specializes in mobility and survivability, with the bow being a natural but not necessary choice of weapon. Thus the ability to survive the longest without a master.

2) The sword thing is more a function of his reality marble than a conscious choice.

>> No.1591415

>>1591384
Please read: >>1591369

>> No.1591425

>>1591384
Might the Archer class be more fitting?

>> No.1591468
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1591468

possible candidate for Berserker?

>> No.1591493

Okay, imagine.
Shiki Tohno dies and becomes a servant, most likely Assassin.
Arcuied somehow attains the rights of a master.
Arcuied naturally summons Assassin Shiki.

We now have superhuman strength Shiki with Nanaya fighting abilities and no brainsplosion penalty for using eye h4x.

Unfortunately, Arcuied does something silly and uses up all her command seals on asking Shiki out on dates or to cook for her.

>> No.1591501

>>1591493
Shiki would never turn down a date with Arcueid.

>> No.1591504

>>1591493
But Arcuied is not a magi

>> No.1591505

>>1591493
All Assassins are the leader of al hassassin. Sasaki Kojirou Assassin was a mistake.

try again

>> No.1591512

>>1591493
How about this instead?

Shiki Tohno drinks Arcueid's blood.

We now have superhuman strength Shiki with Nanaya fighting abilities, DA timehax regen, and no brainsplosion penalty for using eye h4x.

Unfortunately, Shiki goes outside in the daytime and melts.

>> No.1591519

It's funny that even after a full FS/N translation people are still clueless as all hell about nasuverse shit

>> No.1591525

>>1591504
Well, hence "somehow"
>>1591505
And if it was a "somehow" incident, I'd say it'd be a big enough anomaly for Shiki to be summoned as Assassin.

Course, this is all a moot point. I just wanted to throw in a h4x Shirou (Archer) vs h4x Shiki argument opportunity.

>> No.1591533

>>1591525
>h4x Shirou (Archer) vs h4x Shiki argument
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>> No.1591534

>>1591504

>>Arcueid is not a magus

Neither is Kuzuki, Shinji and Kotomine.

>> No.1591543

You guys are forgetting that Servants can qualify for MULTIPLE classes. Hercules, for example, can be summoned as ANY class except for Caster. He just happened to be Berserker in this war. I'm sure that Archer could've been an Archer, a Saber, or a Caster, he just happened to be summoned as an Archer.

>> No.1591544

>>1591512
Drinking a vampires blood just transfers their strength... if shiki drinks Arcs blood, Arc will be weaker...

>> No.1591545

>>1591534
Kotomine is a magus.
Kuzuki formed a contract with an already existing Servant.
Shinji was never a master.

next?

>> No.1591553

seriously stop with these type moon power faggotry threads, you idiots have been arguing over a year and the only progress you made was that Shiki can kill servants.

>> No.1591548

>>1591543
EMIYA's stats are too shit to be summoned as Saber, and his magic was only C-rank, so I'm guessing no.

>> No.1591550

>>1591545
Kotomine became a Magus after the Fourth War, he was a representative of the Church before that.

>> No.1591551

>>1591534
Kuzuki isn't a Master at all
Shinji has that book and he didn't summon Rider in the first place
Kotomine is a magus

>> No.1591554

>>1591553
I see what you did there.

>> No.1591555

>>1591551

Kuzuki's a master but only in name.

>> No.1591558

>>1591550
No. Reread fate/zero.

>> No.1591568
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1591568

Gentlemen, the real strongest Servant. How can you argue against a master of the Third Sorcery, someone who is capable of corrupting the Great Holy Grail itself?

>> No.1591571

>>1591568
Did you really just go there?

>> No.1591574

>>1591568
If I remember correctly... isn't he incredibly weak?

>> No.1591579

>>1591558
Is Fate/Zero worth the read? I've been considering it.

>> No.1591582
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>real strongest Servant

>> No.1591585

>>1591579
It's actually mostly shit. Skip everything but the parts with Waver and Alexander.

>> No.1591593
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>>1591568

Only thing Avenger was good for was disguising himself as Shirou and going around sexing everybody up.

Bazette was the real driving force between the pair.

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>>1591585
How can you skip Illya searching walnuts, you bastard

>> No.1591611

>>1591605
Well OK, read that too.

>> No.1591615

>>1591543
>You guys are forgetting that Servants can qualify for MULTIPLE classes. Hercules, for example, can be summoned as ANY class except for Caster. He just happened to be Berserker in this war. I'm sure that Archer could've been an Archer, a Saber, or a Caster, he just happened to be summoned as an Archer.

Servants are Heroic Spirits summoned by the Holy Grail. They become classified as familiars. They are pure souls invoked for the heroic spirits to be bound to, put in 7 classes prepared beforehand.

Source: Fate/Side Material encyclopedia entry (p.61)

>put in 7 classes prepared beforehand

Heracles/Hercules chose to be a Berserker even though he could've been another class as well. This means that every time you summon him, he will always be a Berserker. This is why Arturia is always a Saber.

>> No.1591626

>>1591615
No. The Einzberns chose to summon heracles as a berserker.

>> No.1591630

>>1591615
>Normally, when a Heroic Spirit gains a Servant Class, the one that fits the attributes of that Heroic Spirit is unavoidably determined. However, there are two class exceptions to this that the summoner can determine beforehand.

>The first is Assassin. [...] The other class is Berserker as it is a class that allows for almost all Heroic Spirits to fall into its definitions by just the acceptance of one additional factor.

Read you materials better

>> No.1591639

>>1591615
The only class Arturia corresponds to is saber.
Heracles can be summoned as any class but Caster, the summoner has to make a conscious choice to summon a servant as Berserker. (adding a couple of lines to the summoning chant as Kariya does in Fate/Zero)

>> No.1591651

>>1591615
No, you choose what class you want them to be unless it's taken.
i.e Lancelot was intentionally summoned as Berserker by Kariya under Zouken's advice.

>> No.1591653

>>1591615
Being summoned once doesn't permanently bind you to the class. The only reason Saber was summoned as Saber twice is because she only QUALIFIES for Saber. She says that explicitly in the Fate route, in the same conversation that she says Hercules can be anything but Caster.

>> No.1591700

>>1591626
This.

And Matou in F/Z deliberately make the summoning spell have an extra line which forces the summoned Servant be a Berserker.

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>>1591639
>Heracles
のヮの

>> No.1591794

>>1591788
Heracles=Greek
Hercules=Latin

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>>1591788

>> No.1591952

>>1591788
Hercules is the more widely known name, your just being pedantic.

>> No.1592019

>>1591788

ヘーラクレース, as known in Japan, is literally Heracles. In Japan they don't care of the Roman or Greek names, they call him simply ヘーラクレース.

>> No.1592055

>>1591788
Tripfags at their best

>> No.1592075

>>1592019
HEERAKUREESU

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