So she is a parasite right?

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Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 10:13:40 No.15559616 [Reply] [Original]

So she is a parasite right?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 10:21:04 No.15559628 File: 297 KB, 1050x1330, 55036861_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The fox is unamed. Ran is the shikigami controlling it. The fox's body is a computer case.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 10:28:11 No.15559648 We joked about Reimu being an undead zombie, but as it turns out, it was Ran who was the zombie all along.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 10:35:38 No.15559671 Zombie computer fox.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 10:37:32 No.15559679 File: 150 KB, 989x1280, 1461955072820.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Poor bakeneko controlled by Chen can come out each times she's hit with cold water. The bakeneko is now Ramna.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 10:37:46 No.15559680 File: 244 KB, 1529x1867, 9001 hours in photoshop.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What Yukari did to that fox is yet another proof that she is in fact the nastiest 2hu

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 10:39:31 No.15559684

>>15559616
Is it actually parasitic though?

Ran the body doesn't seem to age, not does it seem to be drained in anyway. We have no idea if the powers she uses belong to the Nine Tailed Fox or the Shikigami.

It may well be a symbiotic relationship, didn't the Fox agree to become Yukari's servant?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 10:41:44 No.15559691 >>15559684 >didn't the Fox agree to become Yukari's servant? I dunno, the profile explicitly calls it "enslavement", so I guess it was not consensual, unless she is one kinky fox with a fetish for mindbreak

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 10:44:22 No.15559698 >>15559680 Yeah. Blame yukari and not that "thing" possesing the fox.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 10:46:09 No.15559703

>>15559628
>>15559671
>>15559680
>>15559684

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Ran, is in fact, Fox/Ran, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Ran plus Fox. Fox is not an Shikigami unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Shikigami servant made useful by the Ran corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full Shikigami as defined by Zun.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 10:50:01 No.15559710 Can't wait for doujinshi where lewd Ran's shikigami link is broken for a moment allowing the base fox girl to be aware of her situation before the link is reestablished. >>15559616 Ran is the hat.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 11:06:54 No.15559752 >>15559698 >blaming the gun and not the shooter

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 11:11:39 No.15559758 File: 18 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] She's a system installed in a powerful beast youkai. The actual fox might not even be sapient.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 11:16:19 No.15559769 >>15559691 >the profile explicitly calls it "enslavement" link?

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 11:21:20 No.15559776
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>>15559758
>The actual fox might not even be sapient.
Anon, there's a hidden village of sapient kitsunes in Gensokyo. Yukari most likely took one of their most revered ones to use as shikigami.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 11:24:31 No.15559782
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>>15559769
I don't see anything about enslavement, but read this.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Who%27s_Who_of_Humans_%26_Youkai_in_Gensokyo/Yukari_Yakumo,_Ran_Yakumo,_and_Chen

From the latest ZUN lore pieces.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 11:28:40 No.15559793 >>15559776 Oh. I have no mouth and I must scream confirmed, then.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 11:33:59 No.15559811
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Ran's my favorite and I'm still trying to deal with this new info. I hate how it was just dropped, yet left extremely vague and only leaves more unanswered questions. What is the nature of this other fox? I bet Zun will never elaborate any further, too.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 11:37:12 No.15559823 >>15559811 A monster installed in a monster. Really good at math.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 11:38:15 No.15559825 >>15559811 Also, I have to remember that all this applies to Chen as well. How are the Japs reacting to this?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 11:39:31 No.15559827 File: 114 KB, 800x1131, 1461291575572.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15559825 Most of them ignore that.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 11:41:40 No.15559837 >>15559825 Chen was known to be like that since PMiSS

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 11:43:02 No.15559843 >>15559825 Is the information actually new or is it just newly translated?

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 11:47:08 No.15559859
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>>15559843
Strange Creators of Outer World Volume.1 with the Who's Who of Humans & Youkai in Gensokyo: Reimu Hakurei, Marisa Kirisame, Sakuya Izayoi, Sanae Kochiya (updated profiles for the girls) came out in 2015-09-30

Strange Creators of Outer World Volume.2, with the Who's Who of Humans & Youkai in Gensokyo: Remilia and Flandre Scarlet, Hong Meiling, Patchouli Knowledge, Yuyuko Saigyouji and Youmu Konpaku, Yukari Yakumo, Ran Yakumo, and Chen, Kaguya Houraisan and Eirin Yagokoro, Reisen Udongein Inaba and Tewi Inaba, Fujiwara no Mokou, Alice Margatroid updated profiles came out 2016-06-30 so >>15559782 is about 19 days old informations.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 12:15:19 No.15559905 >>15559776 That would be quite the entrance, someone turns up one day unannounced, meets your leader in private and then you see neither of them again

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 12:16:17 No.15559907 >>15559811 >What is the nature of this other fox? Who cares, she never comes up anyway

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 12:38:45 No.15559986 >>15559823 Can she calculate pi's exact value?

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 12:40:35 No.15559991 [DELETED]

>>15559703
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Ran, is in fact, Ran/shikigami, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Ran plus a shikigami. Ran is not an independently functioning familiar unto itself, but rather a base platform for a fully functioning shikigami system made useful by binding rituals, esoteric programming and familiar contracts comprising a full youkai as defined by the spellcard rules. Many omnyouji create modified shikigami from mundane animals every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the shikigami that is commonly used by Yukari Yakumo today is often called "Ran", and many of its acquaintances are not aware that it is basically a standard shikigami behavioral algorithm, projected onto a fox. There really is a Ran, and these people are interacting with her, but she is just a part of the composite familiar that executes Yukari's programming. Ran is the hardware: the corporeal part of a shikigami that provides the resources for the familiar to operate. The base animal is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it only complies with your directives in the context of a complete shikigami system. Ran is kept under control through the presence of a shikigami algorithm: the whole system is basically Ran with a shikigami added, or Ran/shikigami. All the so-called "Ran/Chen oneloli porn" is really porn featuring Ran/shikigami and Chen/shikigami.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 12:44:33 No.15559996

>>15559703
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Ran, is in fact, Ran/shikigami, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Ran plus a shikigami. Ran is not an independently functioning familiar unto itself, but rather a base platform for a fully functioning shikigami system made useful by binding rituals, esoteric programming and familiar contracts comprising a full youkai as defined by the spellcard rules. Many onmyouji create modified shikigami from mundane animals every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the shikigami that is commonly used by Yukari Yakumo today is often called "Ran", and many of its acquaintances are not aware that it is basically a standard shikigami behavioral algorithm, projected onto a fox. There really is a Ran, and these people are interacting with her, but she is just a part of the composite familiar that executes Yukari's programming. Ran is the hardware: the corporeal part of a shikigami that provides the resources for the familiar to operate. The base animal is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it only complies with your directives in the context of a complete shikigami system. Ran is kept under control through the presence of a shikigami algorithm: the whole system is basically Ran with a shikigami added, or Ran/shikigami. All the so-called "Ran/Chen oneloli porn" is really porn featuring Ran/shikigami and Chen/shikigami.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 13:02:07 No.15560035
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Why does this matter? It's not like their personalities changed, or that we knew what came before them.

It's the exact same character, but people are acting like it's the end of the world.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 13:05:36 No.15560045 >>15560035 >This character is just a doll possesed by something else >guise it's no biggie

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 13:07:23 No.15560047 >>15560045 First, that's exactly how we knew shikigami to work, the only new info is that Ran is the name of the shikigami and not that of the fox. Second, who the fuck are you quoting

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 13:10:00 No.15560052 >>15560047 >First, that's exactly how we knew shikigami to work PMiSS was extremely vague about it, implying the bakeneko is some feral creature, not a sapient being who's being used like a puppet

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 13:15:58 No.15560065 >>15560045 It isn't. Once again, she is the exact same Ran Yakumo as you've been masturbating to for almost a decade. Only her backstory has changed.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 13:17:19 No.15560068 >>15560045 Nothing really changed, you dumbfucks just wish your cute fox waifu was a cute fox waifu, even though she has literally always been a computer program slave to Yukari.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 13:18:30 No.15560070

>>15560047
Not true. Before, the analogy was that the shikigami was merely a program running on the Ran. Now we find out that the shikigami IS Ran, who is a full operating system that has completely taken over another system.

>>15560065
>Only her backstory has changed.
And this isn't a big deal how?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 13:38:47 No.15560153 >>15560070 >that has completely taken over another system Fox youkai aren't systems.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 13:42:05 No.15560163 How would you feel if ZUN went over this stuff in more detail in one of the mangas? Not reverting back on what the magazine said, but clarify, maybe even actually give backstory? Or would it be a "Stop, she's already dead.." for you?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 13:49:39 No.15560183 >>15560163 I don't care. The only reason I'd care is that idiots wouldn't stop bitching about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 13:57:07 No.15560206 Where did this new information come from?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 14:12:33 No.15560269 >>15560163 More detail. I liked Ran but now find her entire existence immoral. I need to find out what the fox was like pre shikigami. Otherwise she's Yoshika 2.0 and must be euthanized.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 14:15:50 No.15560279 >>15559616 Humans are parasites.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 14:20:54 No.15560294 >>15560279 Youkai pls go

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 14:23:20 No.15560301 >>15560269 Ran's existence was always fucked. Her whole reason for living is to be abused by the uber-hag, all this changes is that there's now a dubious fox girl in the mix.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 14:47:27 No.15560384 File: 593 KB, 907x1261, 57966106_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] malware

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 14:48:47 No.15560390 >>15560384 botnet*

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 14:51:17 No.15560395 File: 90 KB, 600x900, 1464767279099 - Copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Apologize to Seiga!

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 14:52:51 No.15560404 File: 82 KB, 461x375, ea7b223e31d3e376a4c7b48882904ae6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15559776 >dressed as Marisa

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 14:53:29 No.15560406
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From what I read of it I think there's two different interpretations that you can get from what's written. Since I'm not good with words, have a picture I made in MSpaint instead I guess

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 15:13:53 No.15560467 File: 183 KB, 1000x1000, 1463683541974.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15560404 The little foxy was not the only one that disguised herself as Marisa. There was a bake tanuki, too that did the same thing.

>>	None Tue, Jul 19, 2016 15:27:32 No.15560505 I haven't been on /jp/ in a while, what is this stuff about Ran about?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 15:30:27 No.15560513 >>15560505 Ran is Mokoto Kusanagi apparently.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 15:30:59 No.15560516
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>>15560505
Read this.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Who%27s_Who_of_Humans_%26_Youkai_in_Gensokyo/Yukari_Yakumo,_Ran_Yakumo,_and_Chen
Ran is not the fox. The fox have her consciousness taken from her and a parasite named Ran is controlling her.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 15:31:52 No.15560519 what's to stop Yukari from mass-producing Rans?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 15:33:54 No.15560520 >>15560519 She does, it's mentioned that she has many shikigami, Ran is just the most powerful one because better hardware

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 15:36:04 No.15560524 >>15560520 >You will never have your very own mass-produced zombie foxgirl why live

>>	None Tue, Jul 19, 2016 15:40:55 No.15560537 >>15560516 Oh wow

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 15:45:14 No.15560546 >>15560395 Seiga isn't too bad in comparison, she at least cares for Yoshika and tries to help her.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 15:49:48 No.15560562 File: 698 KB, 900x1191, 0cd381b963bce37ef768f6a90628976c.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this is some pretty heavy stuff for Ran fans. I wonder why he decided to elaborate more on her story.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 15:50:34 No.15560564 >>15560562 He got tired of secondary waifufags.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:01:39 No.15560633 File: 101 KB, 848x1452, 1461761994072.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15560519 Yukari have plenty of shikigamis, but only Ran have a top tier body.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:02:47 No.15560639 >>15560633 do you have a single fact to back that up

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:03:42 No.15560642 >>15560633 You mean Ran is controlling a top tier body

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:06:18 No.15560648 >>15560639 Yukari used the corpses of two ravens in Cage in Lunatic Runagate as shikigami hosts to spy on the Lunar Capital.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:16:04 No.15560675 >>15560406 Helpful. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:22:54 No.15560706 >>15560516 Stop using the term parasite you big fucking baby

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:24:00 No.15560713 File: 120 KB, 439x344, 140583737.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15560706

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:24:35 No.15560718 >>15560713 Because people are being idiots.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:26:34 No.15560731
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>>15560706
>>15560718
The fox is controlled by an entity that was originally outside of her, so yes, shikigami are parasites. Picture and video related, it's Ran.
https://youtu.be/Go_LIz7kTok

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:31:13 No.15560756 >>15560731 No, it's a control scheme. It may not even be "alive" in the usual sense, with how often it's referred to as programming. You don't even know whether or not the fox wanted this. Being a shikigami has benefits.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:32:32 No.15560764

>>15560731
Shikigami are no more parasites than a hypnotic suggestion is. They're not a creature. They're not coherent by themselves. They're a mental framework being imposed on an existing brain.

If you want actual parasites in Touhou, try phantoms and vengeful spirits.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:37:37 No.15560789 >>15560562 Its actually the most interesting info to come out for this character. I like her more now. Waifufags who only liked her fox body are selfdestructing and its hilarious

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:38:44 No.15560792
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>>15560516
>>15560731
>>15559616
Ran is not a parasite. Parasites feed off their hosts to provide nourishment for themselves, to the detriment of the host. Ran is just a self-aware operating system installed on a partition of a fox's brain. Whether or not the fox was formatted previously is not known, but theoretically she could be restored or boot from her original partition, and live with all the new powers that Ran had developed for her body. In fact we don't even know how old Ran is now, since previously we only went by the age of her body, so it's possible that Yukari installed a shikigami onto a newly-born fox and raised it to this current ability over 800+years. You guys are basically crying about some guy installing Linux on his Macbook.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:40:55 No.15560795 from where this ran parasite thing came from? its just another touhou meme

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:42:50 No.15560809 >>15560795 The only meme here is you, buddy

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:50:04 No.15560839 >>15559616 Wait...so Ran...isn't actually the fox? Are you suggesting two minds one body here!?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:54:24 No.15560850 >>15559616 No, Ran is a hardworking girl with a loving child. It's her master that's the parasite.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:56:37 No.15560858 >>15560564 But he actually reinforces that despite being programmed, Ran is a gentle being who wouldn't willingly attack others without provocation.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 16:58:48 No.15560864 >>15560858 What a lovely parasite

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:02:27 No.15560873 >>15560839 except the original mind never surfaces

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:02:43 No.15560874 So is this the new fortune teller? Constant threads about this, presumably for the forseeable future?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:05:17 No.15560882 Parasite would imply that the "host" contributed anything.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:06:30 No.15560887 >>15560874 This is what happens when you get no new content for months or years at a time.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:07:21 No.15560893 >>15560792 The only issue with our current definition is what would a "shikigami" consider nourishment? The fox's will is entirely superimposed by an a parasite that desires it's continued existence.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:09:02 No.15560898 >>15560893 It's not a parasite, it's a program. Do you feel your OS?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:10:02 No.15560904 >>15560893 Shikigami don't have desires. That would suggest they have real personality, which they don't.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:12:02 No.15560916 >>15560898 >Do you feel FEED damn it!

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:12:36 No.15560917 >>15560789 Their crying is stupid as hell because the character is still there. Ran didn't go anywhere. All that got introduced is that there's some nameless fox that's the groundwork. Everything we've ever seen or interacted with has been Ran.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:14:15 No.15560926 >>15560904 But they do? As a shiki Ran definitely has her own desires. Otherwise Extra wouldn't have happened, among other things.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:15:00 No.15560930 >>15560898 You're a bit too attached to that analogy, the issue here is that there is or was an original mind which is not the case with computers.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:15:04 No.15560931 >>15559616 Ran is not a parasite, she is a spirit controling the body of a fox girl programmed by yukari.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:17:42 No.15560942

>>15560930
>You're a bit too attached to that analogy
I'm not. This is how she's always been described. Did you like...read anything or play the games?

>>15560926
She doesn't. The Extra was Yukari setting her up to perform duties beyond her capabilities. It wasn't desire but duty. In her free time, she basically computes and measures things. She's barely an AI, though Yukari wants her to be a full on AI.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:20:10 No.15560952 >>15559616 >However, since the original fox never shows on the surface at all, there's no problem in thinking of Ran Yakumo as a nine-tailed fox. Wow, it's fucking nothing. Ran is still Ran at the end of the day.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:21:29 No.15560958 >>15560942 Before you even start projecting, that type of description is known as an analogy.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:22:39 No.15560966 >>15560958 Not sure where to begin with this reply. I'll just say again that shikigami have always been described with programming terms. So shut up.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:22:50 No.15560969 >>15560942 What? Extra had Ran doing something without orders to do so, and afterwards being chastised for acting on her own whims. Seems like her own desires to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:24:33 No.15560979 >>15560969 Yukari also literally WANTS her to act on her own and would prefer it. She's a fickle and whimsical youkai so I'm not surprised that she still punished her slave for doing exactly what she wants it to do.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:26:32 No.15560984 >>15560966 Since I'm the bigger man, I'll let that slide. How do you feel about the potential free will violation?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:26:55 No.15560986 >>15560301 That's Ran. Now an additional soulis involved. Either enslaved totally or murdered.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:28:32 No.15560992 >>15560984 I doubt Yukari would enslave anyone fully (ignoring how the human village works) She probably offered the fox power in exchange for control, and the fox agreed. It's definitely powerful.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:29:57 No.15561001 >>15560979 I can easily see that being the case with Yukari, I'm just saying Ran does have her own personality with its own preferences. They do take after the body, though. Remember when Rinnosuke's tofu disappeared?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:30:11 No.15561002 >>15560969 This has been said in this thread already, but Yukari is an old person trying to use a computer. She doesn't quite know what she wants or what the computer is capable of. Ran isn't the only shikigami she mistreats, either.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:31:18 No.15561004 >>15560992 Head canon then? That's fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:31:30 No.15561008 >>15561001 Shiki!Ran does have its own preferences, and they are in fact directly stated to be an influence of the body. So yeah.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:33:39 No.15561018

>>15561001
I think rather than a personality it's just the illusion of such. Given the following:

1) Shikigami are based on math formulae, the more complex the "better"
2) Yukari made Ran
3) Yukari is a GENIUS (allegedly), noted with math among other things
4) Yukari wants an AI out of her shikigami (she wants it to operate on its own, maybe because she like the idea, maybe because she's horribly lazy)
5) It's a fox body

I'd say Yukari might have programmed Ran in a way that makes it seem like she has a will of her own.

>>15561004
Hey dumbass, did I say for even a single fucking second "this is definitely the case"?

You asked for my opinion, retard. I gave it. I said "I doubt" and "probably".

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:38:24 No.15561042

>>15561018
It's beyond the point of "seems like," though.
If she's doing things that Yukari didn't anticipate and acts on her own whenever not on tasks, I think the difference is moot.
Hell, Chen is a "lesser" shikigami crafted by one not so versed as Yukari, and yet is just as independent (if unreliable.)

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:38:38 No.15561043 >>15559616 Takes one to know one.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:40:25 No.15561053

>>15561042
Is a program that seems like a real person NOT an indication of well-done programming?

Funnily, I think since Ran made Chen, that explains why Chen is fairly independent: a program crafted by another program is probably going to be somewhat shoddy.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:42:26 No.15561067 >>15561053 A shoddy program is going to either do what you tell it to to the letter, or just crash in interesting ways. Anyway I think this is going into territory the analogy doesn't really work well for, honestly.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:43:34 No.15561078 >>15561067 I guess with Chen what I'm getting at is that perhaps utter assimilation didn't quite take place.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:46:19 No.15561095 >>15561078 Yes, Chen isn't as powerful as Ran is. She's weak to water just like the bakeneko, and so the bakeneko comes out when wet. The personality does not change, however.

>>	........ Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:46:51 No.15561098 >>15561067 >A shoddy program is going to either do what you tell it to to the letter, or just crash in interesting ways. Chen does both, amirite? That much cute is elegant coding tho imho.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:50:56 No.15561119 File: 109 KB, 765x809, 6988403.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15561098 Everyone likes cute things. Even fox shikigami.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:53:13 No.15561128 >>15561119 Computers can be cute too.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:54:36 No.15561137 >>15559616 The shikigami will never leave the Fox body so Ran might as well be a fox girl just like ZUN said.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 17:57:51 No.15561147 >>15561137 Pretty much. >the fox never surfaces >Ran is everything that's ever been depicted for her >Ran has fox habits anyway Ultimately Ran and the fox are the same for all intents and purposes.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 18:09:49 No.15561176 File: 354 KB, 730x680, 33776409_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15561147 >Ran is everything that's ever been depicted for her Programmed by Yukari >Ran has fox habits anyway Taken from the kitsune. Remember, touch fluffy tail.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 18:12:23 No.15561183 >>15561176 >Programmed by Yukari And everyone is dictated by ZUN.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 18:16:59 No.15561210 File: 110 KB, 600x600, 35825881.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] beep boop what is love?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 18:20:22 No.15561229 File: 488 KB, 645x900, Ce99J1eVAAEtUmS.jpg orig.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15561210 Come on, you're supposed to be the know-it-all around here. Unless you'd prefer a demonstration.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 18:22:28 No.15561239 >>15561210 Is the Fox girl's body the one of a virgin?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 18:22:48 No.15561241 File: 1.93 MB, 1599x2831, 1468845397297.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Yukari should get more kitsunes and program them as sex toy and sell them to the human village.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 18:27:50 No.15561267 >>15561210 Baby don't reboot me

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 18:28:34 No.15561269 File: 896 KB, 900x1200, 34544752_big_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15561241 Yucurry has no need for your feeble human currency.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 18:33:29 No.15561295 >>15559616 Was ZUN drunk when he explained her backstory?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 18:33:56 No.15561296 >>15561269 Anon, have a fox youkai brothel in the human village would strengthen the spirituality of a lot of youkai.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 18:36:02 No.15561303 >>15561296 ;) muh dik

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 18:36:33 No.15561306 >>15561296 But that would Upset the Balance™. Then Reimu would have to go on a murdering spree and nobody wants that to happen.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 18:41:38 No.15561318 >>15561306 Have a human soap land next to the kitsune brothel.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 18:46:48 No.15561335

>>15561137
This. ZUN said you could consider them one and the same. Her mind and her habits are still "Ran", and the body is basically hers too.

Yukari is incredibly powerful which is why she can control a shikigami as powerful as Ran, and why Ran is more competent and can act on her own more often than Chen.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 18:55:12 No.15561350

It was likely the Fox's choice to become this way anyway.
I highly doubt Yukari forced this upon the Fox either, she even asked Aya if Aya wanted to be her Shikigami once as well.

The Fox never survices because it probably feels it has no need nor reason to.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 19:04:34 No.15561368
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>>15561350
That was the case in Ran's Perfect Memento in Strict Sense entry. But we now know what it truly entrails to become a shikigami. You loses your own conscientiousness and your body is used by a computer. No wonder why a very old Youkai like Aya said no. But thinking about a shikigami using the body of a very old tengu (beings that can easily become hermits thanks to all the spirituality they receives) is a scary thought.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 19:08:28 No.15561380 >>15561368 Well it can't be that awful or cat-Chen would give a shit. But she doesn't.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 19:13:13 No.15561393

>>15561368
I wouldn't call becoming a Shikigami losing your conscientiousness.
To me, it seems more liking gaining another mind, one that just submits to another entity, and sharing it in one body. You can eject it and take control if you want, but in the Fox's terms, it just doesn't care to.

Also Aya didn't really fully understand the Shikigami thing when Yukari was explaining it to her in BAiJR, she just saw Yukari beating a her pet fox and called it animal abuse.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 20:48:06 No.15561770 File: 1.32 MB, 2800x2000, Yakumo Rena.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So Ran is data?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 20:52:32 No.15561798 >>15561770 Ran is a botnet.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 20:54:19 No.15561809 >>15561798 I thought she was more of an ad-hoc network

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 20:54:30 No.15561812 File: 1.31 MB, 1286x754, 55661199_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15561798 I want Ran to corrupt me.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 21:47:11 No.15562028 >>15561770 DATABASE DATABASE

Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 21:57:48 No.15562056

>>15559616
>Be careful though: Ran Yakumo is strictly the shikigami, and the nine-tailed fox youkai she is possessing is an entirely different being. However, since the original fox never shows on the surface at all, there's no problem in thinking of Ran Yakumo as a nine-tailed fox.
ZUUUUUUUUN
He's been fucking reading 'kumo desu ka' hasnt he?

My fanfiction is ruined
The best non-H touhou doujin is NOW FUCKING RUINED

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 22:01:48 No.15562067 >>15562056 You say that like the doujins were ever canon to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 22:07:42 No.15562092 >>15559679 >>15560035 > As she is vulnerable to water both while possessed and in her original state, splashing water on her will dispel the shikigami. this will be interesting

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 22:09:16 No.15562101 >>15562092 >Getting touched by water dispels her shikigami possession. >while not being possessed, neither her appearance nor personality changes Not really.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 22:20:33 No.15562133 >>15562028 JUST LIVING IN THE DATABASE

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 22:43:06 No.15562238 >>15562101 >implying deadcat mode wont be perfect for doujinshi

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 22:46:56 No.15562253 File: 156 KB, 620x620, c3b50fc46fb5dc76bff6a42b5ebfa1ab.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15562238 She's not dead, just wet. And pissed. Because she's a bakeneko and you just threw water on her.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 19, 2016 23:37:14 No.15562423 >>15562133 WOW WOW

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 01:11:57 No.15562798 >>15559684 Do we even know that Ran is a separate personality? Maybe it's just the way the fox behaves while it's enslaved that is called 'Ran'.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 01:13:13 No.15562803 >>15559996 This is pretty arousing.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 01:21:49 No.15562837 >>15562798 >entirely different being

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 01:44:03 No.15562909 File: 225 KB, 771x782, 36733766_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I don't follow you people. What happened to Ran? (source) (wait, Chen too!)

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 01:48:23 No.15562921 File: 1.05 MB, 900x1245, 55381025_p0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Watercooling

Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 01:49:25 No.15562926
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>>15562909
From a recent publication of Strange Creators of Outer World.
>Ran Yakumo is strictly the shikigami, and the nine-tailed fox youkai she is possessing is an entirely different being. However, since the original fox never shows on the surface at all, there's no problem in thinking of Ran Yakumo as a nine-tailed fox.
This means less than some people think it does. Pretty much just adds backstory, as Ran remains Ran.

>Like Ran, Chen is actually "the shikigami possessing a bakeneko", but in her case the possessed bakeneko is a clearly distinct being. As she is vulnerable to water both while possessed and in her original state, splashing water on her will dispel the shikigami.
This one's kinda weird since Chen's profile in PCB says there's no difference in personality between "possessed" and "non-possessed" Chen.

Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 02:11:31 No.15563031
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>>15562926

So... let me see if I got it right: the real "them" are "spirits", and they are possesing the bodies of animals? (is that kinda comparable to what a tsukomogami is? it just popped out from my head. don't mind me)

Well about Chen.. it's a lost cause to me anyway haha. I barely know she does sorcery! I don't pay attention to her, so I can say "I don't know her".

Thanks! I appreciate your precise answer!

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 02:24:09 No.15563074 File: 1.33 MB, 1359x978, 50525721_p0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15563031 Kinda, but tsukomogami are spirits from an inanimate object accumulating power with age. A shikigami is a servant spirit, summoned to help their masters.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 02:30:09 No.15563086 >>15562921 That's hot water.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 04:52:27 No.15563534 So how do you think the fox girl underneath Ran doing? [ ] Eternal waking nightmare under the puppet strings of the shikigami [ ] Asleep [ ] Aware but permissive/apathetic

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 04:59:16 No.15563550 Since people here are throwing a shitfit, I wonder how Tumblr reacted to this

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 05:02:27 No.15563558 >>15563534 My money is on Asleep, but permissive is just as likely. The first one is unlikely given that Chen's bakeneko can come out on occasion, but she's not having any existential fits or anything like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 05:36:55 No.15563619 >>15562056 >The best non-H touhou doujin What was it?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 09:18:43 No.15564017 >>15563534 My money is on it being awake but submerged into the Ran identity.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 09:48:53 No.15564069 >>15563550 Tumblr has a touhou community? Sounds like the grounds for bad fanart and terrible opinions

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 10:44:46 No.15564162 File: 36 KB, 576x480, sad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You still love her, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 10:52:36 No.15564184 >>15564162 I never did to be quite desu.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 10:54:24 No.15564188 >>15564069 For every bad fanarts, there's 10 Japanese artists posting their work.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 11:17:12 No.15564230 >>15563534 [x] Aware but permissive/apathetic

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 11:29:36 No.15564271 >>15560406 That model is very nice. I think that the case is that B Model is the right one. Yukari created a "mind" and put on the fox's body, so it can obey Yukari, and Ran did the same with Chen.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 11:45:19 No.15564318 >>15563619 gonna take a wild and guess that he talked about Yukari vs Ran series

Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:13:11 No.15564395

Hard rebooting Ran!
Booting up the original fox instead of Ran!
Being thanked by the original fox with sex after being freed after 800 years!
Watching as an angry and vengeful fox youkai carves a path of destruction through Gensokyo with Ran's powers!

Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:22:23 No.15564431

>>15559679

Lots of questions.

If a shikigami is dispelled, is it destroyed in the process?
Assuming one of her shikigami were to be destroyed, would Yukari be able to recreate it and would she even want to do so? (What if she could make a more powerful minion from scratch?)
We're the shikigami dispelled, could the host body escape?

Shikigami are supposed to be lacking in free will. Do Ran and Chen act with some degree of autonomy or are they puppets like Alice's dolls?

It is implied that Yukari wishes Ran would act more of her own free will. Why would she want this?

Even humans can be used as host vessels for shikigami. Has Yukari possessed any people to do her bidding? Is she herself a shikigami (possibly, Maribel being the body and Yukari the entity possessing her).

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:28:11 No.15564450 >>15564395 Shikigami Ran is powerful due to Yukari's link. without it, the kitsune is maybe strong enough to be and stage 5 boss.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:29:48 No.15564457 >>15564450 Then why is Yuyuko a stage 1 boss?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:32:08 No.15564462 >>15564457 She was merely pretending

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:33:25 No.15564464 >>15564162 I always hate her. but is funny to see how her fan base is crawling his own skin cause of that.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:43:38 No.15564496 >>15564162 Ran was never super high up on my list but I actually like her more now. She has a much more interesting backstory now and she's functionally no different than before. Hilarious to see waifufags shitting themselves over nothing though.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 12:45:45 No.15564506 >>15564431 Yukari probably has backups. Also, Shikigami have more autonomy than Alice's dolls. Yukari wants Ran to act more of her own free will because Yukari wants to achieve a full independent AI.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 13:04:18 No.15564561 I wonder how those "Mama Ran" people feel about this. Although I thankfully haven't seen one of those threads in a while.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 13:05:38 No.15564567 >>15564561 Hopefully they stop posting forever, but I fear they'll just find a new 2hu to project their complexes on

Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 13:26:02 No.15564650

>>15564561
It's not explicitly said that Ran's programming doesn't involve taking some degree of care of Chen. The fact that Chen exists at all hints at such a thing being incorporated into Ran's framework.

However, without very specific instructions on how to be a "mama Ran," I don't think shiki!Ran would do a very good job. It only has the kyuubi's experiences and skills to draw on for independent action, and kitsune aren't exactly renowned for being good parents.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 13:59:40 No.15564734 >>15564650 Yukari programmed her to be the best mom ever@

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 14:00:49 No.15564738 >>15564650 Yukari programmed her to be the best mom ever!

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 14:02:12 No.15564744 >>15564650 >kitsune aren't exactly renowned for being good parents Dude what. A good chunk of their mythological tales involve them being loving wives in disguise.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 14:12:41 No.15564782 >>15564561 This shouldn't change anything for Mama Ran because that interpretation was always head canon. I even like the mother/daughter pictures of Ran and Chen, but it's pure fandom.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 14:13:44 No.15564787 >>15564744 A good wife isn't necessarily a good mother, and I remind you that Touhou kitsunes are apparently so bad about educating their kids the kids have to sneak into the Human Village to learn stuff.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 14:13:53 No.15564788 File: 87 KB, 395x583, Trouble Encountered.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15559616 You people are thinking too much.

Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 14:16:39 No.15564797

>>15564431
No, only suppressed. Otherwise Chen would disappear forever the first time she got caught in the rain.
Probably the only ways to terminate the setup are death or dismissing of the shikigami by Yukari.

They do have some free will. They act independently when not on orders, though as shikigami they desire to fulfill orders given. Even when given orders they're the ones carrying them out, Yukari doesn't need to guide them.
That would defeat half the purpose for her anyway (so she can be a lazybones.)

Because Yukari is Gensokyo's Most Bored Person.

Anything here is 100% speculation. If we haven't seen or heard about it, it hasn't happened.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 14:19:14 No.15564811 >>15564782 It's based around Ran's gentle personality and her defensiveness of Chen. It's certainly less of a stretch than most fanon.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 14:28:50 No.15564837 File: 317 KB, 1024x873, 57703970_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15564162 Why would I not?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 14:33:13 No.15564853 >>15564318 you would be right

Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 15:12:12 No.15564991

>>15564431
>>15564506
This is more or less my interpretation of why Yukari wants Ran to gave more free will as well.

If Ran can't function without Yukari (much like Chen is much weaker without Ran) or she needs Yukari's instructions on everything then she won't be as useful if something unexpected happens. Ran being more independent will give her more ability to adapt to changing situations. If Ran is more of an AI then she can tend to business while Yukari sleeps or schemes or runs off with Reimu to solve an incident. She will still be loyal but can act without instruction. Yukari being as powerful as she is is one reason why Ran can do these things. Ran is powerful but not exceptionally so, so Chen's growth is at a much slower pace (as a result Ran is more protective of Chen as seen in PCB)

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 15:14:35 No.15564999 File: 232 KB, 800x784, 54899611_p14.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15564853 Really All the non-H doujins out there and you choose THAT one?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 15:17:42 No.15565010 >>15564999 Fuck you. YvsR was a good series

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 15:20:46 No.15565032 >>15563534 Either asleep or permissive. "Eternal nightmare" makes no sense given what we know about Chen.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 15:22:19 No.15565042 File: 487 KB, 770x1080, 56139103_p3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15565010 I suppose I'd then ask you why you're upset over it being "ruined" when it wasn't anywhere in the vicinity of canon to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 15:41:00 No.15565153 File: 106 KB, 715x1199, CmlVXvYUEAA2Pdb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15564457 Because she was fucking around, since, you know, Yuyuko.

Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 15:42:31 No.15565156
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>>15565042
>hurr muh canon

First, I am not the dude you were talking.

second. I don't give a shit about Ran or her fan base.
I just came here to said YvsR was a good shit. its all.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 15:43:50 No.15565161 >>15565153 Then the other character could have been fucking around too. danmaku isn't equal to how strong a character is.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 15:50:52 No.15565199 >>15565161 Isn't 100% accurate but power is necessary to make a powerful danmaku. That's Why Seija can't take over Gensokyo without cheating.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 15:51:36 No.15565203 >>15565199 Danmaku is supposed to be pretty, not strong.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 15:54:26 No.15565214 >>15565199 Seija just has shit taste so she can't do it properly

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 15:56:41 No.15565225 >>15565214 This. Seija's danmaku is more reliant on fucking with your controls than on beautiful patterns.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 15:57:01 No.15565228 >>15565214 >>15565225 You have shit taste

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 16:01:15 No.15565241 >>15565203 power is necessary to make a BEAUTIFUL danmaku.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 16:01:44 No.15565243 >>15565228 Did you even play DDC?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 16:02:10 No.15565244 >>15565241 Is that why Junko's looks like shit?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 16:03:42 No.15565249 >>15565243 git gud

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 20:10:41 No.15566304 >>15561393 >she just saw Yukari beating a her pet fox and called it animal abuse so, is the same that hitting the old tv when you want fix it?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 20:13:19 No.15566317 >>15566304 Yukari is sure old!

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 20:13:38 No.15566320 >>15566304 More like disciplinary spankings.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 20:14:45 No.15566325 >>15564457 same why sagume is stage 4 boss

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 20:23:51 No.15566350 >>15566304 Classic psych majors.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 21:11:28 No.15566541 >>15566350 Hey, my dad is a geology major and he does the same with all electronic stuff that it's malfunctioning, and it usually works pretty well

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 20, 2016 22:39:57 No.15566775 >>15566325 Because she sucks?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 01:28:46 No.15567285 >>15566541 Geology is just psychology on a planetary scale.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 01:40:25 No.15567308 >>15567285 Best post of the year right there, god damn.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 03:05:01 No.15567630 File: 12 KB, 92x109, 200px-Yu_Yevon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Rare picture of youkai

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 03:52:10 No.15567800 Ran is not a parasite! She has a symbiotic relationship with my cock!

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 04:02:59 No.15567845 File: 294 KB, 650x886, 1334091760653.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How would you feel if 'Ran' was purged by Reimu or Mamizou or something and the Fox became a completely different character?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 04:04:18 No.15567850 File: 61 KB, 756x597, preg b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So what happens when Ran get's pregnant?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 04:09:34 No.15567865 >>15567845 It would be shit, since it would be killing an established character.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 04:11:57 No.15567874 >>15567845 She'd just turn back into the rampaging beast which the fox once was.

Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 04:15:53 No.15567885

I like Ran, and also like this if only for the plot hooks it provides. Burt one thing that really bugs me is how ZUN implies that Ran is a mindless puppet programmed by Yukari with no true feelings or personality of her own. That's practically turning her into a non-character.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 04:21:22 No.15567905 >>15567885 She's not a mindless puppet. Yukari beat the shit out of her in public for acting on her own one time, so she definitely has the capacity for independent thought.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 04:23:42 No.15567913 >>15567885 I feel like you're tying to upset yourself. Nowhere does ZUN imply that her personality is dictated by Yukari. It's the orders she dictates. Remember, Ran is a shikigami advanced to the point where she sometimes forgets that she is one.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 04:24:40 No.15567915 >>15564650 >It's not explicitly said that Ran's programming doesn't involve taking some degree of care of Chen. But she doesn't take care of Chen. She just took some catgirl and brainwashed her with a shikigami and controls that.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 04:25:35 No.15567919 File: 36 KB, 126x126, BU.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15567915 >But she doesn't take care of Chen. Do you even play the games?

Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 10:06:45 No.15568852

>>15559825
It's how shikigami are usually depicted as working, isn't it?

>The samurai [of this setting] are those people who have surrendered their physical bodies to become a vessel for binding a shiki spirit. The shiki possesses their body and at the command of the user, it erupts into action. The possessed samurai is like the rider of a wild bull; the shiki obeys the samurai's will and acts exactly as the samurai wishes, but the relationship always teeters at the brink of the limits of control.
>Onmyoji also often create a secret keyword to activate or deactivate a samurai, known only between the onmyoji and samurai. If this keyword is known by another, they could use it to activate, deactivate, or perhaps even control the samurai. Onmyoji use these keywords so that they are not attacked by their own creations. Samurai can also use these keywords to activate or deactivate their shiki if they feel they are losing control of their bodies.
>- Tenra Bansho Zero, p199-200

Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 10:26:13 No.15568919

Ran isn't a mindless puppet, and she doesn't only obey Yukari's orders. She even calculated the width of the Sanzu river because she was bored. She's looks more like a fox that is using her "new"-acquired power (from Yukari) to pass time/have fun than being a mindless parasite.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 10:27:10 No.15568926 >>15567915 I was using the term vaguely. Whatever Ran's relationship with Chen, it has to be either an effect of her programming or the kitsune's instincts working out to the surface.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 10:32:10 No.15568945 File: 148 KB, 1100x1100, Cn5FF_SVIAAHiM7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 11:28:13 No.15569100 >>15568919 Make no mistake, the fox and Ran are different entities. However, ZUN pretty much says that, since Ran behaves as is befitting for a fox and the original fox itself never actually shows up, Ran IS the fox as far as anyone is concerned.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 12:12:46 No.15569243 >>15567850 Yukari rips off the kid. and Seiga use it as danmaku

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 12:45:30 No.15569335 >>15569243 How will Yukari rip off a newborn kid who has no money?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 12:47:41 No.15569345 File: 324 KB, 500x583, 1303020325861.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15569243 Don't you slander Yukari like that!

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 13:17:18 No.15569405 >>15569243 I now kinda wish to see a spell card consisting of throwing babies.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 13:23:32 No.15569419 >>15567845 That would be shit, it would kill an established character AND deprive Yukari of two of the people in her clan making it so she gets even more active and meddling

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 13:29:28 No.15569434 >>15569405 Seiga already has one.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 13:32:28 No.15569442 File: 27 KB, 511x388, 1341707760083.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15569345 Yukari a shit a big one a great one. But I want to put my hot glue between those soft melons

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 13:35:13 No.15569450 >>15569335 Nothing is impossible to Yukari.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 14:05:43 No.15569526 File: 76 KB, 230x682, SSIBToyohime3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15569450

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 14:37:34 No.15569591 >>15567874 As if those rampaging beasts weren't turned into cute sapient girls already, face it, the fox might have been civilized and "Ran" is just a method of command input and overall subjugation.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 14:56:32 No.15569633 File: 48 KB, 658x428, 1386906897390.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15569526 hurr you're stronger than me, but in the next move you, your sister and your master lose the war.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 15:06:25 No.15569667 >>15569434 Just the name.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 17:21:03 No.15570165 File: 265 KB, 932x1200, 55898182_p2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15569633

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 17:21:58 No.15570168 File: 1.47 MB, 1280x881, Harbinger_transform.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is there any art that takes our new understanding of Ran into account?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 17:24:20 No.15570172 >>15570168 >new understanding of Ran We've known that Ran is a shikigami for years. We've also known how shikigami work since the early chapters of CoLA. This is in no way new information.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 17:27:15 No.15570178 >>15570172 I suppose you could say the "there's a dormant fox" is new. But that's kinda difficult to do anything with, especially when Ran already behaves like one.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 17:29:51 No.15570184 >>15570178 >"there's a dormant fox" Is there? Does ZUN say anything about a fox, dormant or otherwise? Or is this just an overreaction from Ran fans?

Anonymous Thu, Jul 21, 2016 17:35:33 No.15570201

>>15570184
I happen to be one of those fans.
>Ran Yakumo is strictly the shikigami, and the nine-tailed fox youkai she is possessing is an entirely different being.
>However, since the original fox never shows on the surface at all, there's no problem in thinking of Ran Yakumo as a nine-tailed fox.
The fox is essentially a non-factor, so it's really just giving us some background on Ran.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jul 22, 2016 23:42:10 No.15575715 >>15559986 In base pi, it's 1.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jul 22, 2016 23:45:07 No.15575718 File: 1.61 MB, 372x249, WHY.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15559616 KUSO THREAD

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jul 22, 2016 23:51:35 No.15575729 File: 151 KB, 740x1348, 57918769_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Splash this kitten with water

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jul 22, 2016 23:58:30 No.15575745 >>15575729 >her personality does not change B-bravo ZUN?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 00:00:18 No.15575750 File: 611 KB, 915x1125, cd9607dd495ddad91209de17486bdd1d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15575729 >her personality does not change B-bravo ZUN?

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 02:16:38 No.15576182
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>>15564069
Oooooh my fucking the Tumblr 2hu community is in the deepest of SJW pits. Mainly due to the fact that there are no male characters and "muh lesbians"

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 04:08:12 No.15576504

So, Ran is a program created by Yukari.
A program that shows some level of independence.
Yukari continues to try to make Ran even more independent.
Said program is also capable of creating other programs that function similarly.

My question is, what is the over-under on Yukari eventually creating Skynet?

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 04:18:52 No.15576518

>>15576504
I'm not sure why so many are deferring to this "Ran is an AI project" idea, Zun is a math major and used technical terms to describe an inherently spiritual and Japanese concept in his setting.
As for your theory, I just don't see Yukari thinking that far ahead, it's all the more likely she's just being capricious and wishing the world from something with potential set limitations, not to mention those reading too hard into a case of abuse and a remark on Ran being boring.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 04:35:28 No.15576548 >>15576518 I mean, she IS pushing Ran to act on her own. You can see as much in the CiLR chapter.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 04:54:03 No.15576592 >>15576548 Be a bit specific please, it's 188 pages long.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 05:55:00 No.15576761 >>15576592 Chapter 5. You know, the one featuring Ran and Yukari.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 08:42:22 No.15577181 >>15559616 I want to install Ran on my calculator!

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 08:55:29 No.15577223 >>15564162 used to be in my top list, but how can I like her now when I know it's just a parasite infesting a cute body?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 09:08:05 No.15577256 File: 965 KB, 1000x1000, Sly fox.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15577223 It's her body now

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 12:27:07 No.15577678 File: 220 KB, 531x708, 36390483.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15577223 Yeah, in the same way your brain is a parasite on your body.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 16:46:43 No.15578479 File: 137 KB, 1000x1500, CoBVLmAWYAE2OMW.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 17:22:11 No.15578566 Charming Domination makes sense now.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 17:29:53 No.15578586 File: 2 KB, 1138x56, secoooondary.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15578566 >Charming Domination

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 17:45:25 No.15578625 >>15578479 The thickest.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 18:19:14 No.15578745 >>15578586 I'm sorry, I just use a shitty translation in my games because I can't read anything past kana.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 19:01:27 No.15578926 >>15577678 I never knew that my body had a different owner before my brain.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 19:03:03 No.15578938
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>Yukari pretty much killed a cute fox girl and put some magic AI in her body
>lol guys no biggie! It's the same character!

Seriously?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 19:03:53 No.15578942 >>15578938 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 19:07:19 No.15578958 >>15578938 >It's the same character! Well, it is. We've always known Ran, and she continues to be Ran. No amount of meme arrowing is going to change that fact.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 19:52:32 No.15579153 >>15578958 Your waifu is a program hijacking a body that belongs to someone else.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 20:02:27 No.15579188 >>15579153 You say it like those someones care. See: Chen.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 20:30:11 No.15579307

>>15578586
>>15578745
Translating 妖々 ("Youyou") as "Youkai" isn't much better than "Charming". Especially when it's translated as "Ghostly" in the title of the game, and as "Mystical" in some of the other song titles.

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Perfect_Cherry_Blossom/Music#Translation_of_.E5.A6.96.E3.80.85.E8.B7.8B.E6.89.88

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 20:37:43 No.15579353 >>15579307 Oh, thank you. So neither of them is completely wrong, nor completely right.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:01:48 No.15579484 >>15578479 I normally love this artist, but the tits in this pic look pretty bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 23:29:48 No.15580168 File: 149 KB, 1024x1024, __chen_yakumo_ran_and_yakumo_yukari_touhou_drawn_by_chanta_ayatakaoisii__907a02b47a34eedb532db82d0dc6e35d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15578479 The guy that draws these is my fucking hero

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 23:35:15 No.15580187 File: 249 KB, 1400x1200, 1467541329628.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15580168 He git gud just to draw his waifu.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 01:22:03 No.15580543 >>15580187 Incredible improvement, but why did he forget how to draw Ran's hat?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 01:25:38 No.15580556 >>15578479 >>15580168 >>15580187 Thank god, I was afraid I wouldn't be able to vomit today.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 01:28:18 No.15580567 File: 1.42 MB, 1000x1100, 1467539830189.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15580556 There anon, another guy getting gud.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 01:33:16 No.15580582 File: 365 KB, 800x800, 1366438345102.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15580567 >>15580187 Spend hours to draw a waifu who is a lie.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 02:17:30 No.15580738 >>15580582 The only lies are the misinterpretations people created for themselves.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 07:02:27 No.15581634 >>15578938 Ran is still Ran. The nature of Ran changed, but that doesn't change that the person that is interacting with the heroines is still the same she always was.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 07:08:39 No.15581649 So if this parasite would get a baby would it be a child of the poor fox host body or the parasite?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 07:32:37 No.15581715 >>15581649 Genetics doesn't really care about your mental 'software', so the nature part would be Fox, but presumably the resulting child would view Ran and its mother as one and the same thing

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 07:34:31 No.15581722 >>15581715 I mean, Ran is the fox now as far as ZUN is concerned.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 07:36:02 No.15581727 >>15581722 Ran is the program. The fox is a fox Yukari installed RanOS on.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 07:36:47 No.15581731 >>15581727 >there's no problem in thinking of Ran Yakumo as a nine-tailed fox. t. ZUN

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 07:37:57 No.15581737 >>15581731 Well, yeah. The fox is braindead, RanOS has taken over all of the fox' functions.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 07:42:56 No.15581757 >>15581737 The point being that Ran is the fox as far as anyone gives a shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 07:44:04 No.15581762 >>15581757 Well, yeah. But Ran is not a fox.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 07:49:24 No.15581776 >>15581762 It's a moot point.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 07:56:45 No.15581799 >>15561350 >she even asked Aya if Aya wanted to be her shikigami That was a threat, not an offer.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 08:35:50 No.15581865 >>15560070 In that case, is Ran vulnerable to exploit kits and backdoor Trojans? So we could retrieve the original fox back

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 09:00:04 No.15581918 >>15581799 No it wasn't, Yukari was simply asking Aya to become one to see and understand what happened from Yukari and Ran's point of view.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 09:38:47 No.15582023

>>15581918

She was telling Aya that she could make her a total prisoner in her own body, unable to do anything except scream inside her mind until such time as she went beyond total insanity and her original mind completely dissolved. Of course it's a threat.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 09:40:15 No.15582029 >>15582023 What are you even talking about

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 09:42:46 No.15582032 >>15582029 What do you think becoming a shikigami entails you nitwit?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 09:43:11 No.15582033 File: 10 KB, 171x171, defeat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15582023 I think you need to reread the section.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 09:50:32 No.15582047

>>15582032
Okay
1. This whole parasite deal would imply that the relationship isn't benecial when clearly to the fox, it is. As it's becoming even more powerful by being Yukari's servant and potentially as powerful as her just by being an errandboy.

2. The Cat comes out like 24/7 for Chen and if it didn't want to be a Shikigami, ZUN would have spoken up. So there is no "being locked away/I have no mouth and I must scream situation". Which implies that the Fox can come out if it wants, but just doesn't.

3. The whole article and interview is Aya acting like an angry nitwit who refused to understand things from someone else's point of view that wasn't her own as well as refusing (or just being generally unable) to comprehend what's being explained to her.

4. Ran once even said she was happy as a shikigami, whether or not she was speaking on the Fox's behalf is for debate. But clearly, nobody is being forced into this, which Yukari showed by simply offering Aya. Likely what she did with the Fox, and Ran with the Cat.

5. stop

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 09:53:16 No.15582053 So what happens to Ran when the fox dies?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 10:04:30 No.15582088 >>15564162 I like her even more now, she's a much more interesting character this way.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 10:06:46 No.15582094

>>15582047
>1.
Stifled free will in exchange for power assuming it was an exchange at all.
>2.
ZUN avoids rocking the boat like any sensible Japanese especially if it interferes with fanon creation, he's quite notorious for deficient characterization. OChen came out entirely on a fluke thanks to being wet.
>4.
Servant + powerful master = happy
The original fox mind has never surfaced in any meaningful way on screen so this is null.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 10:09:18 No.15582102 >>15582053 It Rans.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 10:14:07 No.15582122 >>15582023 t. Edgy Gensokyo

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 10:29:00 No.15582152

>>15582094
>Stifled free will in exchange for power assuming it was an exchange at all.

That depends on whether or not the Fox's or Ran's freewill is really "stifled"
I wouldn't call it stifled on grounds that Yukari simply uses her for doing errands and managing the border while she's sleeping.
It sounds more like simply getting a job and the power is your paycheck.

>ZUN avoids rocking the boat like any sensible Japanese especially if it interferes with fanon creation, he's quite notorious for deficient characterization. OChen came out entirely on a fluke thanks to being wet.

As opposed to that whole post about being taken over, controlled and going insane in your mind not rocking the boat?
Because in no way, that was ever said to be true either, if it was then he would've thrown in the Cat or Fox being this way against its will. And even if ZUN actually cared about fanon creation (as if it really matters here) he probably wouldn't have thrown this backstory in.

The point is, the Fox isn't locked away in its head for a "parasite" to take control, just like the Cat resurfaces, the Fox can too. The Cat just comes out if it gets wet, who knows however the Fox does it but just doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 10:31:07 No.15582161 >>15582122 But it's not Edgy Gensokyo, it's canon. I'm sorry if it's not to your taste - if you want 'cute girls' who are willing to be your wife, then I suggest you get into Kantai Collection.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 10:31:57 No.15582166 >>15582161 So just because it's canon does not mean it's edgy?

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 10:35:38 No.15582183

>>15582161
>she could make her a total prisoner in her own body, unable to do anything except scream inside her mind until such time as she went beyond total insanity and her original mind completely dissolved
Nothing about this has been confirmed as canon whatsoever. You don't know if the fox youkai is "screaming and going insane" in some kind of eternal hell or if its consciousness is just asleep, or just gone.

Considering Chen doesn't go through an existential crisis every time she gets hit with water I think you're just full of shit.

Gensokyo is dark because it's a youkai-filled hellhole, you don't need to try and twist it to make it more edgy.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 10:36:10 No.15582184

>>15582152

The cat resurfaces because the shikigami that inhabits it is a poorly-made and poorly-bonded thing made by another shikigami. So of course the original cat can occasionally manage to take control again, but the original always manages to reassert itself.

>>15582166

I'm just saying it's canon, as opposed to this 'Edgy Gensokyo'-type label secondaries will use to try and ignore or deny the fact.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 10:38:14 No.15582189 Gensokyo is plenty edgy, there is a person who has killed an entire world and everything that lives there after all, but this "edgy Gensokyo" shit has to stop.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 10:42:02 No.15582198

>>15582183

We are, of course, talking about a many-tailed fox, one of the most powerful kinds of youkai normally, here. I don't imagine a proud and powerful youkai would simply give up its body and mind to serve another unquestioningly, so I imagine its mind would have at least tried to fight off such an assault. Given ZUN said 'the original fox never surfaces', that implies that the fox's consciousness is still there in some capacity, so from that we can assume that it is present, and has either been forcibly been made dormant, or that it is fully aware of what's happened but cannot do anything to affect its situation. That said, I can also imagine a situation in which, unable to escape and unable to die even though it wished for it, the fox eventually stopped thinking.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 10:43:47 No.15582201

>>15582152
Ran explicitly doesn't count, she is the foreign entity and a method of control input.
>the fox just doesn't resurface
Does this raise any flags or sound any alarms for you?
It's clear that if ORan rebelled at any point, it's been long since quelled by the sheer potential lifespan difference between bakeneko and kyuubi. My conclusion is that OChen is a recent conquest and hasn't been fully dominated.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 11:01:22 No.15582241

>>15582198
This is still entirely headcanon. You have no idea if the youkai was about to die, or what circumstances led to it becoming a shikigami.

All you've said is a bunch of things prefaced by "i imagine" and "we assume". This is no different than all the people who thought Ran was some cute fluffy mother fox and got angry that their headcanon wasn't real.

>>15582184
Gensokyo is plenty dark already, you don't need to push your personal ideas about things being mindfucked and tortured into it when there's no evidence of a "i have no mouth and I must scream" situation.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 11:06:04 No.15582260

>>15582198
>>15582201
You're totally implying Yukari forced this to begin with when clearly that isn't the case. Yukari likely offered it power, like she tried with Aya, but unlike Aya, the Fox actually agreed. That can be theorized but as Yukari offered Aya a choice, it can be assumed she did with the Fox and Ran with the Cat as well.

>Given ZUN said 'the original fox never surfaces', that implies that the fox's consciousness is still there in some capacity, so from that we can assume that it is present, and has either been forcibly been made dormant, or that it is fully aware of what's happened but cannot do anything to affect its situation.

Or simply because it just has no need nor reason to, it was offered and given power, why throw that away?

If the Fox is so powerful it can simply assume direct control if it wanted to, and with the power granted by Yukari why can't it? And at the same time, we don't know when it became a Shikigami, it could have been a weak as hell regular fox, one with 2, 3 or even 8.

Everything you're saying is based upon the belief that the Fox DIDN'T want to be Yukari's Shikigami and was forced to be installed with one, when such a thing was never said to begin it.

Touhou has its fair amount of darkness, but mindbreak shit like this isn't part of it, except maybe Koishi but she's a confusing case.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 11:12:34 No.15582279

>>15582198
>We are, of course, talking about a many-tailed fox, one of the most powerful kinds of youkai normally, here.
Also biologically immortal and far more intelligent than any human is likely to be. What makes you think the fox doesn't plan to come out of the deal better off than before? The cat doesn't seem to mind having shikigami installed on her when she surfaces after all.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 11:19:05 No.15582305

>>15582260
Aya: 1000+ crow tengu belonging to the one type of youkai explicitly mentioned to have a bureaucratic system of government with a focus on privacy and information management, she also has a newspaper to run.

Chen: potential rogue or "independent" youkai but nothing explicit.

Ran: might have connections to the kitsune village but nothing canonical.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 13:22:10 No.15582762 >>15580738 like Ranfags and his fluffy mother?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 14:27:51 No.15583034 >>15582094 >ZUN avoids rocking the boat like any sensible Japanese especially if it interferes with fanon creation Most incorrect statement of the day.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 14:36:40 No.15583081 >>15582762 Ran remains the gentle, protective sort she always was. People chose to ignore that she was also a shikigami and were forcefully reminded.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 14:47:25 No.15583121 >>15583081 >Ran remains the gentle, protective sort she always was. talking about misinterpretations...

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 14:52:47 No.15583140 >>15583121 >Fortunately, she has a gentle personality >Her personality is gentle Combine this with that she acts independently to defend Chen.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 15:03:39 No.15583185 >>15583140 Maybe she is gentle, but she is still a dork who spends more time doing useless math to being a good "mother".

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 15:20:53 No.15583259

>>15583185
I mean, she is at present not a mom. Chen doesn't really need it; she's childLIKE, but not actually one.
She does pretty well without Ran constantly stepping in for aid short of Reimu picking a fight.

Anyway, point was it's not a terribly large stretch for mamafags to treat Ran as such material.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 15:51:55 No.15583382 >>15581776 So if ZUN said that Ran is actually a monster worm living in the fox's brain it wouldn't change anything either?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 15:56:22 No.15583388 >>15583382 yes, because the fox is functionally dead

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:01:02 No.15583406 >>15583388 You are delusional.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:02:40 No.15583412 File: 184 KB, 817x1200, 17137e91f0a817681b4d82e3525aeb3c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Let's be honest for a moment. Ran was always a mediocre nine-tailed fox. And her entire abuse thing was always a shitty piece of lore.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:03:16 No.15583415

>>15583406
The fox cannot act.
The fox exists only to provide a tangible body.
It does not change anything about who Ran is as a character. Ran is still the same Ran she always was, only the mechanics of her being have changed.
She can hardly be held accountable for her nature.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:44:30 No.15583591 lol RANfags BTFO again new thread when?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:54:38 No.15583639 >>15583415 She is a parasitic program that stole a body from someone else. You can pretend it's no big deal, but it is.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 17:27:07 No.15583769 >>15583639 ZUN: (laughs)

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 04:33:36 No.15585881 is shikigami + youkai the same as vengeful spirit + youkai?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 04:46:05 No.15585907 >>15585881 No. Vengeful spirit erases the original youkai. Shikigami is a separate entity. There's a reason they fear the former.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 04:54:54 No.15585931 >>15585907 doesn't vengeful spirits posses the youkai and erase only it's mind?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 05:05:52 No.15585957 >>15585931 That is erasing them.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 14:14:37 No.15587277 File: 473 KB, 1000x1200, aha.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I must say, then it's one lovely, motherly, charming and beautiful parasite.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 15:29:41 No.15587503 touhou last confirmation will be all hakurei line is yukari shikigami as well, for example yukari was the only one until now who could make reimu train

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 15:51:56 No.15587602 >>15587503 No, it will be that Gensokyo is just a dollhouse in Maribel's room and Chen is a normal house cat.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 16:25:20 No.15587740 >>15587602 so second to last

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