/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

how is that japanese going

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520180
Which Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

I think they had an election recently. It would probably be better to ask them yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520180
日本カルチャーじゃないけど・・・
ヲタクカルチャーよ

で、ワイフはどう？

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520180
Much like my life in general, no real progress.
No excuses, I just keep playing games and posting here. I wish mods would permaban me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520180
I'm already starting to forget it due to lack of practice! Thanks for asking.

[Anonymous No.]

私を殺して。

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520180

Too busy looking at 2hus, progress is slow.

[Anonymous No.]

Bad. I barely ever read, and I'm sick of doing more than 300 reviews on anki. Statistics say I know 1380 kanji, but when I ever I pick something up to read all I do is go:
>oh I've seen that character used with words about life/living, not sure what it's supposed to mean next to that character....why does everything sound like a caveman talking in incomplete sentences???? Maybe I'll just read the English scan....

I don't know if I'm going to make it.

[Anonymous No.]

Too busy playing Touhou, so progress is nonexistent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520327
Thats me in a nutshell, only half the kanji I can read.

[Anonymous No.]

I'll probably get started within the next half year after I find some employment and stop having that on my mind.

[Anonymous No.]

I'll start up again at some point later, eventually, some day.

[Anonymous No.]

I can kinda read if I have a dictonary

My listening is atrocious despite listening to shit every single day for over 10 years

I don't know if I can speak since I have no one to talk to, but I think it sounds ok when I voice thing in japanese in my head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520180
I was making progress but then I got lazy

[Anonymous No.]

漢字を読むんが難しいけぇ、よつばととかしか読まん

全部電子時点のせいじゃ

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520200
I read "homus" as "homos"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520386
>but I think it sounds ok when I voice thing in japanese in my head.
NEVER trust your in-head voice.
It will always sound way more cringy and shit when you actually say it to someone.
Trust me I know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520327
hi anon, can you share app name?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520492
yes, learn japanese for dummies

[Anonymous No.]

Six years in, living in Japan now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520492
Try Memorise, Wanikani, or Anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520327
The goal is to get gud at Japanese, not get big numbers on anki. Think about how you use your time, consider the value of reading as a method of learning, and realize that anki is shit.
Also you're not doing a kanji deck are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520442
Not to be mean, but it's always real cringe when someone posts like this. Especially beginners. First focus on learning proper Japanese, then try tryhard colloquial speech style. And at the end 読めん (読めない) would feel more natural.

[Anonymous No.]

I've lived in japan for 4 years and work for a japanese corporation

[Anonymous No.]

hi im japanese desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520575
How bad did you want to kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

少しだけ日本語を知っています。頑張りいます！

( ´ ▽ ` )b

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520327

Anki and other SRL apps are useful to _review_ kanji and vocabulary only. You probably want to write things down once in a while, it helps a lot.

You're also supposed learn grammar and practice reading/writing on top of that. That's probably what you need to do most right now since you seem to have trouble understanding sentences.

Work through either of these:
http://www.imabi.net/
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520597
日本語を知る isn't the best phrasing for what you want to say. I presume you want to say you know a bit of Japanese, "know" as in "understand" the meanings of words and sentences.

日本語を知る is knowing the language more like a linguist would. It's rules and inner workings.

That's why you can find books called 日本語を知る aimed at Japanese readers. Japanese people already know meanings of Japanese words and sentences, but they might need to refresh their knowledge on the more complex workings of the language - turns out to be mainly 敬語.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520597
>>15520630
Oh and you have an extra い in 頑張ります.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520212
no kanji? pleb

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520571
It was my attempt at the Hiroshima regional dialect, as extracted from various internet manuals.

You are right about 読む vs 読める, though, which is a preschool mistake, so guess things really should be done first things first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520643
do you know what kanij is

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520645
Foreigners going for dialects is weird as fuck too. よか？

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520636
Alrighty, was still unsure of the correct usage of わかる and 知る.

ありがとうございます！

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520665
>Foreigners going for dialects is weird as fuck too.
ゲームの影響です
すみません

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520327
Hi anon, you're going to need a lot more the 6,000 vocabulary. Better get studying~

[Anonymous No.]

Since you guys can read moon, whats written in this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520773
Rough translation:
The pleasure of going to /v/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520609
>You're also supposed learn grammar and practice reading/writing on top of that. That's probably what you need to do most right now since you seem to have trouble understanding sentences.

It's a vicious cycle, though.
>Read some manga, there's always some kanji I've never seen.
>Do anki crap more, learn nothing about grammar.
>Re-read TaeKim/grammar guides, forever beginner/intermediate.

I don't know, it's really hard for me to set aside serious time to study with uni going on.
However, I'll keep chipping away at it. Little by little, until I'm on my death bed and realize I was never serious enough to learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520442
>時点

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520779
Thanks senpai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15521128
ＩＭＥが悪い
世界が悪い
俺は悪くない

[Anonymous No.]

悪い。とても悪い。

>tfw my teacher last semester gave me three packets of shit to learn before japanese 3 and i haven't even looked at them

[Anonymous No.]

I'm forgetting it faster than I learned it...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520773
that's chinese m8

[Anonymous No.]

What does 'nokogiri' mean, if anything? I don't speak the langauge but we use a Ruby gem of the same name and I've been curious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15521462
鋸
Ax shit I got it wrong saw

[Anonymous No.]

日本語は勉強しやすい。
頑張り続けて，諦めないぞ！

[Anonymous No.]

Who homu here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15521681
Yes, what do you want

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520180
ヴェリ　グッド　サンクス（　´_ゝ`）

[Anonymous No.]

>>15521681
On the stone was etched a single word more ancient than the boards themselves: Homura. Our homu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15521707
I want you to have a great day today!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520180
Stupid IRL shit happened and caved into depression, putting a stop to life in general.
But reading a volume of スケッチブック last night made me interested in 博多弁, which is a nice distraction from thinking about pointless shit like death.

>>15520442
>漢字を読むんが難しいけぇ、よつばととかしか読まん
と言うまでもなく読めば読むほど味わいがあるんですよね

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520180

Pretty much stopped trying. Will try again and take another semester of Japanese to fill out my ge's. Probably get rekt though from how much I forgot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15521832
Japanese at uni is a piece of piss. You could probably cover the entire year yourself in a month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15521846

That requires hard work and dedication though. Easy to fall into a trap of laziness if you don't have someone on your ass forcing you to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15521846
I had a much more rounded experience when I took it at uni. No only learning reading like I do now, but having to learn listening and actively responding to others too. Having to actually use both written and spoken Japanese is pretty good for learning.

>>15521865
However, just because your grade depends on it, doesn't mean you will be motivated to do it. Your teacher can't force you to do it, and they already have your money so they could probably not even give less than a shit if you even show up to class.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520579
I'm ok

I make 3-4x the average Japanese person my age

[Anonymous No.]

>>15521846
I went to a 'top' Japanese university (Masters) for 2 years and passed with top marks studying only about 4 hours a week (and half the year was vacation, so more like 2 hours a week). All with full scholarship.

[Anonymous No.]

This was STEM though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15521917
No shit, obviously you had Master's course in English, that's one big joke.

And btw that guy was speaking about Japanese at university, not Japanese universities.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15521785
What deck are you using?

Hang in there my man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15521865
>Easy to fall into a trap of laziness if you don't have someone on your ass forcing you to do it.
Doing homework and passing exams isn't a good indicator of language proficiency. They basically test only what you have been taught from the course textbooks and the production aspects are fully rehearsed and coached prior.
>>15521893
>Having to actually use both written and spoken Japanese is pretty good for learning.
Massive comprehensive input is pretty good for learning. Production when you can't comprehend shit is good for building up a false sense of confidence.

>>15521978
Three decks: vocab, grammar and kanji.
Vocab: core10k, recognition.
Grammar: ADoJG deck, cloze.
Kanji: personalised 漢検 deck, production with 音 and 訓 readings on the front, plus a click to show keyword in in case of need.

[Anonymous No.]

it's going better than i thought it would have a year ago. my production is pitiful but my comprehension and ability to read is getting noticably, steadily better. feels good to read scribbles.

[Anonymous No.]

Vilebloods or Executioners?

[Anonymous No.]

死にたい

[Anonymous No.]

I stopped learning
I don't even care about japan or japanese things, hell I don't even watch anime
Maybe I'll get around it later

[Anonymous No.]

>>15522371
みんな死にましょう！

[Anonymous No.]

>>15521780
W-well thank you anon, I hope you have a great day today too~.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520180
She does that, doesn't she just freshly graduated this march from another section:It was about really simple mechanics you probably need different belts because it not looking at bishop lately and some slower for later levels

[Anonymous No.]

Homura did everything wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>15526563

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>>15526706
Just cowtits lovers being their usual terrible selves, slapping hulking gobs of meat on a Thursday

[Anonymous No.]

I remember 2009 when I said I was gonna learn Japanese
And then again in 2011
...
I wonder how good my Japanese would be by now if I had committed.
Just kill me desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520327
>why does everything sound like a caveman talking in incomplete sentences?
hahahaha that's literally how japanese is spoken and written. i'm so sorry to burst your bubble anon. get used to it.

[Anonymous No.]

Like I just said in another thread, I'd be ready to pass JLPT 2 by now if I weren't so lazy. My weaknesses are kanji (writing mostly, since I never do it, but I could stand to be able to read more) and listening (although I've got auditory processing issues that make understanding English speakers hard sometimes too, but excuses excuses I should be able to get better at it.) And naturally I sound like a retarded grade schooler when I try to speak it on my own. So yeah, I actually have a ways to go yet. At least my pronunciation is good, not that that's hard.

And I know the JLPT isn't a good measure of true 'fluency', as in even natives have trouble with JLPT 1, but at level 2 I look a lot more attractive to hire for translation purposes and I want that sweet hireability boost. (I know I could just go be an English teacher. I don't WANT to be an English teacher. I'm not quite old and prospectless enough to settle for that yet.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>15521785
That's not how you use 言うまでもなく

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520665
Should be よかか？, and even that's in the sense of "is that okay?" I don't think you can use it in the sense of "Got it?" or "You better, all right?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15522801
よし、行くぞう！

[Anonymous No.]

What learning resources do you lot use?
I'm running out of steam with what i have

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone help me, I'm trying to translate something and I don't under stand what 絡み酒 means. I'm ASSUMING it has something to do with being a bad drunkard, or something, but I don't know for sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15527905
>I'm trying to translate something and I don't under stand what 絡み酒 means.
Then you shouldn't be translating anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15528091
Most idiotic post of the week. Kill yourself, kudasai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15528091
If you took all the students out of the translation business 95% of translations would be gone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15528107
いやです。

>>15528152
Good. Unpaid translation work really only prevents people from achieving their potential. It's like constantly catching really shitty fish for a man instead of just letting him figure it out on his own.

2 seconds on Google would tell you what that phrase meant if you were too stupid to work it out, and someone who can't read a Yahoo answers post isn't fit to be translating a fucking pre-schooler's book.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15528297
Popped it into google translate, thx m8

[Anonymous No.]

I want to learn Japanese but most of the resources are either confusing or too basic. I downloaded Genki I but I feel like it jumps to full sentences right away. Are there any beginner friendly guides or books. Also how long does it take to even learn. Could I read, write, and talk at a comprehensible level in like half a year, studying 20 minutes a day?

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>>15528440
>20 minutes a day
>Half a year
Come on man...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15528461
Is it really that hard? What about 30min a day for a year?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15528465
A couple of hours a day for a year might do it if you work hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520327
That describes me perfectly.

I can actually understand quite a bit now but nothing with actual substance unfortunately, I told myself I would man up and shut down my internet for 1 hour a day at least to purely focus on Japanese practice, but today's my first day and I already don't want to. The internet is too distracting

[Anonymous No.]

I'm a first-generation American. Both sides of my family are from Japan, and I know little to nothing of the language.

Heh, that'll show dad.

[Anonymous No.]

もう俺を死なせてくれ(´・ω・`)

[Anonymous No.]

>>15527197
So many lol statements in this post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15527673
Why? Omitting the question marker か is normal in informal speech. よか is simply a dialect form of よい and you can use よい? as "Got it?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15527197
Dude you barely need to know writing, JPLT is all about recognition and understanding of sentences...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15529253
Eh?

>>15529571
You made me doubt myself so I had to look it up, but yes, there is a listening portion. But that's just my weakness. Overall my competency levels aren't at 2 yet; they're sitting pretty comfortably at 3 because I haven't been working on it at all. Maybe I just don't care enough... it's not like I don't have Japanese books I could be reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520773
If people say Anri Okita I don't believe that's the one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15529672
>but at level 2 I look a lot more attractive to hire for translation purposes and I want that sweet hireability boost

LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>15529750
Is that lol as in ha, that's humorous, or lol as in ha, that's wrong? Also that's only one thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520327

I'm so glad I didn't fall for the Anki meme and actually learned japanese the proper way.

Reminder, If you can't write japanese you don't know japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15529757
lol as in you're clueless. Other things were already pointed out by the other guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15529757
>>15529765
To add details:

JLPT only tests passive knowledge, there's no writing.

Natives won't have problems with JLPT N1, that's preposterous.

JLPT N2 is a joke if you want to seem capable and be hireable and any potential employer would test you by themselves and easily see how shitty you are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15529265
I guess it's a common enough word that it can easily be an exception.

You can use
いい？ or いいか？ or よいか？
as "Got it?", but NOT よい？

Just as randomly, よか？ on its own just doesn't sound right.

これでよか？ might be okay. I don't know this dialect well enough to tell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15521914
Looks like everything turned out better than expected

[Anonymous No.]

>>15529265
I guess it's a common enough word that it can easily be an exception.

You can use
いい？ or いいか？ or よいか？
as "Got it?", but NOT よい？ (Also, よいか？ is a somewhat archaic form mostly heard on period dramas and anime by characters of a certain inclination.)

Just as randomly, I think よか？ on its own just doesn't sound right.

これでよか？ might be okay. I don't know this dialect well enough to tell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15529265
I guess it's a common enough word that it can easily be an exception.

>よか is simply a dialect form of よい and you can use よい? as "Got it?"
No, you can use
いい？ or いいか？ or よいか？
as "Got it?", but NOT よい？ (Also, よいか？ is an old-fashioned form mostly heard in period dramas and in anime from characters with certain inclinations.)

Just as randomly, I think よか？ on its own just doesn't sound right.

これでよか？ might be okay. I don't know this dialect well enough to tell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15529898
Upon research turns out よか is understood as the dialect equivalent. いい (not よい), so よか？ is fine like いい？

But my initial understanding and reasoning was wrong, sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15529734
Yeah, anri okita did a cammy cosplay video, but I'm pretty sure that isn't her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15529977
ええ is another form of いい, but ええか？ works whereas ええ？ is a bit awkward. (Just Google "これでええ？")

Maybe you'll conclude that ええ is an equivalent of よい, but it's best to be suspicious of "perfect equivalents." Different dialects can have different grammar. Exceptions shouldn't surprise you.

[Anonymous No.]

pretty well

i live in japan and the only thing that gives me problem is understanding what the fuck older men say

they mumble and slur all of their shit together and its annoying as fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>15527615
Yes it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520665
All dialect fuckery aside, telling someone what they're doing is weird, and following it up with "got it?" sounds awkward in and of itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520180
go back after 2020 olympics, then maybe we can talk about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15530116
A と言うまでもなく B
means
B is true without even having to go as far as A.

No need to trust me. From the first page of Google:
https://twitter.com/dogu_fm/status/743122095853338624
>日本死ねと言うまでもなく滅ぶ
https://twitter.com/hassankonakata/status/722331816284147712
>滅びるべし、と言うまでもなく自滅するだろう
I feel like A and B should be verbal phrases here.

Note that this is different from
A は言うまでもなく B
B, not to mention / let alone A
where A and B are noun phrases.

[Anonymous No.]

誰ＨＯＭＵここ

[Anonymous No.]

はい、こちらデス！

[Anonymous No.]

>>15531215
ホム・ゴー・ホーム

[Anonymous No.]

>>15531215
ここであたし達はホモだよ〜(`・ω・´)～

[Anonymous No.]

疲れた、もう生きたくない

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520180
>how is that japanese going

I started learning Japanese in january last year, but after learning how difficult it is, I lost my motivation and stopped.
However I went to Japan a few months ago and it blew me away, so I manned the fuck up and started again.

Learning 4 months now, learned 1500 words and read 2 grammar books, Japanese the Manga Way and Tae Kim.

I couldn't read shit for the first 3 months, but it got better now and I understand quite a bit when I try to read something.
Im kinda busy currently so I can't do more than my reps, but once I got more free time I'll start reading VNs via texthooker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520773
>>15529734
>>15530021

Looks like Asuka Kirara tbqh.

[Anonymous No.]

Do you think it's worthwhile to apply for two years in Japan as a "Research Student" after I finish my master's degree?

The tests are a joke for me since they're supposed to be passable by beginners and I'm studying Japanese for half a decade by now, but I wonder if "Research Student" is a worthwhile endeavor. Ideally, you're supposed to find a job during your two years stay, I guess.

Or do you think it's better to go for a Ph.D. in my own country?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15535281
自分の未来は自分で考える方がいいと思います

[Anonymous No.]

I'm going to do it, I'm going to restart my Japanese learnings. I have to, or else I'll never truly be happy. Wish me luck jaypee.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15535305
Sure. Can't argue with that.

>考える方がいい
考えたほうがいい.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15531213
You're working from what you think that in Japanese ought mean in English and working backwards from a conclusion based on your assumptions. Expose yourself to the langauge more and stop using whatever scraps of online usage you can gather in order to justify your obnoxious obsession with being "right" on the Internet, for fuck sake.
Either that or go back to /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15535734
Both 終止形 and 連用形＋助動詞 forms of the verb are used and grammatically correct with that pattern. There is more to Japanese than Tae Kim so I'd suggest you spend more time becoming acquainted with Japanese and less time trying to make corrections of other people when your corrections aren't accurate to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15535956
Are you aware of the difference?

したほうがいい fits better there. As in, of course I shouldn't have asked on 4chan, so I can't argue with the advice in this case, but you can't generally say people should always decide everything by themselves. If anything people are more likely to seek and provide advice with such life decisions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520180
Can you fags recommend some good J Drama besides 1 litre of tears ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15535933
いや、普通に日本人だから。例文も挙げたのに何意地張ってんの？
>You're working from what you think that in Japanese ought mean in English and working backwards from a conclusion based on your assumptions. Expose yourself to the langauge more and stop using whatever scraps of online usage you can gather in order to justify your obnoxious obsession with being "right" on the Internet, for fuck sake.
なんというブーメラン

>>15535956
文法的にはそうなのかもしれないけど、「考える方」と「考えた方」は少しニュアンスが違うよ。ここは >>15535989 の言うように「考えた」のほうが自然。

[Anonymous No.]

Apparently you need this thing called money...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15533044

What did you do in Japan?

[Anonymous No.]

I memorized all the Kana and about 50 Kanji but I still don't know what any of it means, I can sit and read basic stuff in japanese now but I don't understand anything i'm reading.

[Anonymous No.]

How hard is leaning japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15542459
as hard as it is to learn any other language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15538904
A good start. Try Tae Kim's grammar guide, it's short,concise, easy to understand. Make sure to memorize the vocab at the beginning of each chapter, and don't discourage if it takes a while to understand some of the examples.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520180

gave up

it cant be shiranai'd i guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520180
Decided I'd rather learn Mandarin mane.
But you can stick to your dead language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520180
It's not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15542466
I really don't understand how I ever learned English. Don't even remember actively studying much, and I never really "grinded" vocabulary like I do with Japanese. For all the time I already invested in Japanese, it sure doesn't feel like I've achieved much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15544315
Probably because you're grinding anki instead of doing actual reading. Stop doing core, and get your 20 new words a day from something you enjoy reading.

For me, day to day progress feels like nothing. But then I catch a glimpse of something I haven't seen in a year or two, and I can read it, and it reminds me how far I've come even if I still have a long way to go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15544321
You might be right. It's just that finding something enjoyable to read without being overly difficult is rather hard. After all, most decent reading material is aimed at adult native speakers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15544335
http://nocozazal.co.nf/readinglist.html

[Anonymous No.]

Learning to write is pretty rough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15544315
It helps when you're younger. I'm from a bilingual country and it's hard for me to imagine life with less than three languages (English the global one).

[Anonymous No.]

Damn
>>15535933
>>15535956
got 普通に blown the fuck out will he ever recover. It's alright EOPs there's still time to start over with your studies.
>>15536091
乙

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520212
「おたく」の中に使った「ヲ」は違うよ。「お」は正しいだよ。

すれに、「カルチャー」はあまり使われていないと思う。「文化」とか「習慣」の方がよくないだろう？

[Anonymous No.]

>>15548988
Nigger you never heard ヲタ?

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/keyword/%A5%F2%A5%BF%A5%AF
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/keyword/%A5%F2%A5%BF

[Anonymous No.]

>>15548988
>正しいだよ。
>正しいだ
The fuck is this? I don't even see this colloquially. It's just straight up wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15520327
Anki is supposed to be what you do as a supplement to reading native material, if you're only doing anki then you're doing it wrong, should at least be doing twice as much reading as you do anki everyday

[Anonymous No.]

>>15536203
What? No you don't