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New thread, based judge edition.

Continued from >>15146187

>> No.15266353

If you wish to play dots on dota 2 with /jp/:

join the steam group https://steamcommunity.com/groups/jpdots

if no lobbies are up, feel free to create one yourself with password /jp/dots and create an announcement on the group

you can also join the channel /jp/dots in the client

>> No.15266367 [DELETED] 

some sort of poll:

>do you guys use Discord?

imo steam groups suck. i happen to use discord for another game and it is much more convenient to chat and keep up with announcements. it could be an option if people are up for it.

>> No.15266488

I would be fine with either than or an irc.

>> No.15266555

Got ID blocked on facebook where I would normally talk with my normie friends from university and discord is far better than skype has ever been, so it's rather the only thing I use lately

>> No.15266664
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>using a botnet that takes all of your info and sells it to the Chinese.

>> No.15267462

Nope. I use mumble.

>> No.15267489

Are you using Google, a smartphone, windows and stuff like that? If so you should really not worry about "people selling your information" as everyone already sold all kind of information of you.

>> No.15267573

Does this mean CIA knows I searched for whether a chick that got pregnant through surgery would still count as a virgin if her cherry hasn't been popped beforehand?

>> No.15267680
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>> No.15269231

Wow the group is big. How many actually play?

>> No.15269286

Like 20.

>> No.15269290

There's about 12 or 15 regulars, I am bad at remembering names so don't quote me on that.

>> No.15269359

Well the group creator doesn't. That should tell you everything.

>> No.15269502
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+2 cykas for gaemu

pw /jp/dots

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who /canonlyplayuse/ here?

>> No.15269559

I get 160 ping to USW but that is manageable for me.

>> No.15269574

i get that on use already. usw is 215 for me. seems a small difference, but is much worse

>> No.15269686

I can only play AU or USW.

>> No.15270301

New lobby up! Come play /jp/!

>> No.15270351
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>we'll never play together

geography is suffering

>> No.15270433

If any of those people actually were using my info to sell me shit then how come they haven't made a game I like or recommended me a good one?

>> No.15270442

That's a lie. I don't play a lot but I do play.

>> No.15270599
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Le balanced spoopy ghost face

>> No.15270608

Chitori Chimae?

>> No.15270641

Yet another lobby of joy and fun is up and at 8/10! Come play!

>> No.15270734
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So I finally bothered to see what was on the board near the river

>> No.15271073
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this motherfucker right here...

>> No.15271170
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That was a nice game!

>> No.15271189

comeback games are nice!

>> No.15271198
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One of these days.

>> No.15271203

chinks pls

>> No.15271206
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how often do new 2hoes come into the game?

>> No.15271231
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boat a shit

>> No.15271248

Just like her vanilla dota counterpart.

>> No.15271269

A hero every month or two, I'd say.

>> No.15271901


US E is actually my worst region in terms of ping.


Or 5,don't get your hopes too high up.

>> No.15271905


>> No.15273047
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Not soon enough

>> No.15273336

We got Murasa, Yukari, Ran and Yuuka all since february.

>> No.15273474

>join the steam group
>instaling steam
Is there any way to play it without jewteam?

>> No.15273487

There's no other way to play this without steam since dota2 is a valve game and thus only available through steam.

>> No.15273493
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Fug. It would be first moba game that I could propably enjoy.

>> No.15273665
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First ARTS? Well then, keep in mind that DotS is very much like early warcraft 3 dota in the sense that everything is broken as fuck to some extent. Except Murasa, she is kinda useless.

It is really fun tho!

>> No.15273686

Freaking Border of Life.

>> No.15273701



>> No.15274745

The wombo combo

>> No.15275489

dots when?

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pw /jp/dots

>> No.15275909


5/10 cykas davai more cykas

>> No.15276430

but I only play regular dots

>> No.15276559
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It is time for sunday night DotS! Come play!

usual pass.

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One day!

>> No.15276884

never go full allahu akbar

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One day will random not Reisen!

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>> No.15277024

I want to explode all over Okuu's face!

>> No.15277047
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just too much for Yamaxanadu

>> No.15281175
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I won't be able to play dots tonight. Hope you guys have fun though!

>> No.15282207
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It is time for religious war once again!

usual pass

>> No.15282316

Are there any religious wars in Overwatch?

>> No.15282344

Nope! That's why you should play DotS instead!

>> No.15288015
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Are peeps willing to play not overwatch tonight or should we not bother?

>> No.15288320

Why would anyone pay for tf2 lite, you can play tf2 with 2hu skins anyways

>> No.15288357

Last night /jp/ attendance was rather low, took a while to fill a lobby and had to go public to get the last 2 slots filled. I can only assume overwatch launching yesterday was not a coincidence.

last night as well as tonight there were not as many people in the /jp/ channel as there usually are before I even make a lobby. So yeah, this week may be slow while people get their dose of paid plus micro transactions TF2.

On a semi-related note, I've tried using those touhou fortress models but they make my game crash as soon as I join a server but work when I host a server myself. Any idea on how to fix that?

>> No.15288478

Not sure haven't played it in years very well could be broken now

>> No.15289680
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>there were not as many people in the /jp/ channel as there usually are
i noticed this as well. i just don't if this was due to weekday, dots hype dying out or overwatch. probably the latter.

hopefully we get some dots today

also, Alice when? ;_:

>> No.15289696

You automatically join chats on launching dotka, people not being in the channel means they were not in dota2 at all so I don't think it's because they lost interest in dots. They presumably just got a shinny new game that will keep them busy for a bit. Or were busy because weekday, or both.

>> No.15290376

I fucked up my sleep schedule again and I'm always gone when /jp/ wants to play, this is suffering

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did the exact same thing for the past 3 days.
it should be fixed now so, dots tonight ^^

>> No.15290569

To to bed german

>> No.15290659

I really don't care for mobas, but if I can play as Ran I'll make an exception.
Can I?

>> No.15290666

Ran is in the game so the answer is yes!

>> No.15290794

alrighty then

>> No.15290797 [DELETED] 

im not german though XD

>> No.15290827

You don't belong here.
Fuck off

>> No.15290862
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Does anybody plays original dots?
And if yes, then where, and what version?

>> No.15291314 [DELETED] 

o-ok janitor-sama, you're da boss

>> No.15291332 [DELETED] 
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I think you mean meido.

>> No.15291392

cute gif dude

>> No.15293345
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Shrine defending time is upon us! Come join the fun!

Usual pass

>> No.15293367 [DELETED] 

No, meido died years ago. These janitors are just janitors.

>> No.15293700
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Interest seems to be lower after overwatch's release.

If the rest of the week and the weekend result in failed attempts to get a game going then I'll stop hosting for some time before testing the waters again. It is also posible people are growing a bit tired of DotS and a future patch will make the game interesting again.

Or maybe this is just bad luck and I'm a fucking idiot, who knows.

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v0.990a Test Fix2 Eng v1 is the latest classic version I have on my computer.

Its kinda clunky and the english is kinda here and there + you may or may not need to install a model pack before you can actually see anything.

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So, I installed all the things and would like to play with you.
However, I know nothing about this game except what I gleaned from ye olde DotA-type WC3 maps.
Before I'm insulted and get my teeth kicked in by total strangers, is there a way I can prepare myself so that I don't perform like a complete tool?

>> No.15294697


I may join up when/if I actually see it. Haven't been on jp since the major /vg/ split and only really came back a while ago for the eroge thread, so didn't know about all of this. Have never played this mod though, so I'd need to get carried.

>> No.15294785

Make a custom lobby with bots and read some descriptions

>> No.15294804

go to Arcade -> Lobby List -> Create Custom Lobby, select DotS, put a whatever password and Enable Cheats.

When the game loads, choose a girl and walk around the map, take a look at the items and see what your skills do. You can use some commands to make things faster. Just open Chat (enter) and type:

-gold 444444
to give you 444444 gold

-lvlup 15
to gain 15 levels

-createhero tide enemy
this will create a enemy hero lvl 1 near your position, you can control her and cast her spells. tide will create suika, furion kaguya, puck ran, etc. as you play, you'll see which girls are attached to which dota 2 heroes.

-levelbots 10
give enemy heroes 10 levels

Using this commands you can see what skills do and stuff (some only work against heroes like Shiki, so these commands are useful).

You can check the wiki too. It is not up to date and is missing some stuff, but most stuff is there.

>> No.15295036

but people are ok to help you in the games and tell you what skills to level up first or what items to buy or what lane to go.
except that one autist who keeps talking with accent on the mic non stop and always pick cirno or okuu, eveyone else is chill.

>> No.15295050


You can mute in custom games, right? Shouldn't be a problem then. (especially since the changes to allow voice only mute)

>> No.15295785
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You can mute both text and voice.

>> No.15296470
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Is it time to start the Overwatch group until people get bored of it?

>> No.15296735

I don't know mang. I tried overwatch during open beta and I don't think it's worth the 40 shekels. Plus I don't think overwatch is a /jp/ game. All they have is two jap dudes.

>> No.15296781

It has first day jap voices which is pretty impressive, dota doesn't even have that just some corean voices

>> No.15296809

Being localized doesn't make it a /jp/ game tho.

>> No.15296979

Don't worry my man. I've just had a very busy past few days. I'm free all summer now. So there's where one person tent I guess.

>> No.15297391

Lobby up.

Come suffer with me.

>> No.15298741


Oh right, which times do people play usually? US times? Then I doubt I could ever join.

>> No.15298910

Thanks, I found out how to host private games and have been trying out the girls for a bit.
I like Yuyuko because you can ruin other people's days just by hanging out around them.
Suika and Shiki Eiki seem to be fun, too.

I live in the EU.

>> No.15298928


Maybe we can noob together at some point. I'm in EU too, and only gave a short look at the map (and Suika). Though I do play Dota2, so I have.. some background knowledge. It won't help much though. Suika has Tiny's toss in nerfed form, and I know the neutrals, but.. that's about all that's similar. Even the rng seems "true random" instead of the dota2 typical pseudo random for chance based abilities. There's such a huge difference there it's kinda funny how easily recognizable that part is.

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I'm free this afternoon! Though we still lack eight other players.
I honestly understand very little you're talking about, but pseudorandom vs. random was mentioned in the wiki. What does that exactly mean? Unless the game uses the system's entropy "generator", everything is pseudo-random, and even if it does, it's up to debate...

>> No.15299020


In dota slang, pseudo-random simply means it eliminates huge streaks. Basically the first time a chance is tested it's way lower than your given % of the skill.
In case of a 30% chance it'd be a bit lower than 12%. If that fails, the next time it's ~24%. If that fails ~36%. Until you get a successful roll. Then it's back to ~12%. There's also a "grace period" after which it resets, so you can't abuse this and "prepare" a high chance trigger.

What this results into is that it's REALLY unlikely to get no trigger for a long time, as well as a lot of triggers right after each other. Like getting 3 30% triggers back to back is normally 2.7%, but with "pseudo" it'd be ~0.17%. On average you still have 30% triggers though. Roughly, this kinda changes with high percentages.
You can probably guess why this is done. RNG should only have so much influence on the game and this is a good way to somewhat control it.

Yeah, mechanics. Fun stuff.

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and then Koishi crits you 4 times in a roll because it was mandated by the heavens.

>> No.15299471

EU player here! Anybody playing today?

>> No.15299508

It seems to be the rise if the EUs.

So far we have only had USE/USW hosts and the regular time has been around 9PM GMT-5.

You guys should host privite EU /jp/ lobbies and see how it goes for you Euros.

Set the password to the usual "/jp/dots" link the lobby to the /jp/dots chat channel and most importantly make a steamgroup announcement. You should specify it us a EU lobby in the announcement for people to know since we rarely get EU lobbies.

>> No.15299584

Well, I'm up for trying a round today, though again I never played it. Just joined the dots channel ingame for now and check back here every now and then.
I feel though we may wanna wait till a bit later. It's 15:17 here.

>> No.15299620

Koishi gets guaranteed crits very easily because of anchor stacks + her big HP pool during ult.

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I'd play if we get a lobby in EU.
It'll be my first game.

>> No.15300764

I've been around the threads for a while now, but haven't played as much due to being yet another EU.
My first and only experience at 2hu dots was playing 3v3 with a group of friends where I just random picked snek and proceeded into shouting "WHAT DOES MY ULT DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" while blink teleporting in attempt to hit someone with it since the descriptions for all of her skills were blank for all of us
I managed to find out what my ult does in the end. Lost anyway

>> No.15300939

So, for science. I created a lobby with pw: /jp/dots

Let's see if we get some people, if not well.. maybe another time? It should be EU, but I don't exactly have any place where I can change the server.
I'm not part of the steam-group so I can't announce it there.

>> No.15300968

Remember to link the lobby to the ingame chat channel as well as the steam group! It is a public steam group and anyone can make announcements. Just make sure you clarify it is EU so the yuropoors notice it!

Steam group and chat >>15266353

>> No.15301041

The lobby list filter is the "Search custom games" bar, right?

>> No.15301047

There's a blue button under the lobby list that is used to find passworded lobbies. It's called "Filter by password" or "find private lobby" or something like that

>> No.15301053

It's "Lobby list" once you've downloaded Dots

>> No.15301104

Okay, one joined so far, so I'd say we probably need to do this differently. Basically make up some sort of date and time in advance here. The thread is slow enough that we could probably do so. (Also if someone uses steam groups and whatnot, it could be posted there as well) I'm relatively open this weekend afternoon/evening so I'd like some opinions here.

I'll leave the lobby open till 9 (~20minutes from now), but I doubt we'll get at least 6. Under that and it'll probably not make much sense.

>> No.15301148

That's probably the best idea. Maybe we could try asking d2g, see if there's any potential recruits?

>> No.15301173

Were there any announcements made on the steam group? It is an open group and regular users can make announcements.

>> No.15301183

It will create in the best ping you have/your region, no way to change it. Annoying but it's valve what can we do.

we don't really have a time to play, but most games happen during the night, around 22 to 2 where I live (gmt - 3)

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We're at 9/10!

>> No.15301200

>asking d2g
You do NOT want to play with d2g.

>> No.15301209

Are there two different lobbies on at the same time? Currently 5/10 here

>> No.15301220

I've played matchmaking with d2g, it's not always a shitshow

>> No.15302188

So how did those EU lobbies go? Did you get games going?

>> No.15302189

So recap of this evening:

-Lot's of waiting.
-A 3vs3 round.
-More waiting, just when we hit 6 again -> Patch
-After patch 4 left
-Tried to add public randoms, failed
-Played a round of Epic Boss Fight which takes longer than you'd think

Maybe we can smooth things out a bit in the future.. and not get hit by a patch. Still fun.

>> No.15302196

The last few days have been rough. Oh well, guess we'll have to wait until the overwatch hype dies out a bit.

>> No.15302202

I don't know about others but I've been playing Total War Warhammer, not Overwatch.

>> No.15302233

I assume overwatch is the main culprit because from the day it launched and on we have only been able to get one game going. Of course this may be a coincidence, but it seems very likely.

>> No.15302270


Maybe advertising in the /u/ game thread may get some people. Touhou should be naturally related to the board? That is if d2g isn't wanted.

I dunno. Overwatch really seems like they try to make it BIG. Doubt that'll happen though, but well. It's new and shiny. It may also not help that Dota 2 has its battle stuff going on since a few days, where people may also rather play matchmaking for quests and hats. (Well hats are important, as all touhou fans know)

>> No.15302314

Blizzard went all out with the marketing for that game and thus it will receive a lot of attention right off the bat. I personally didn't enjoy it enough during the beta to justify paying 40 shekels for a game that also has micro-transactions.

About that getting people from other boards thing. I'm not sold on that, I like /jp/dots because it is a /jp/ thing.

>> No.15302344

>I like /jp/dots because it is a /jp/ thing.

there's new people, which is fine, but you are panicking because you couldnt get a game today.
we've been getting consistent 5v5 games past week, it just so happens that this week was slow. i was busy, a couple of guys fucked up sleeping schedule, etc. it will go back on track eventually, just chill.

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Here's hoping friday night DotS time produces fun games! Lobby up!

Usual pass

>> No.15303053

Lobby at 50%! Come play /jp/!

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>a couple of guys fucked up sleeping schedule
Exactly what happened to me, i couldnt stay awake to play.
Dont worry, ill fix it.

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you cuties better be prepared for some dots tonight!

>> No.15306545

You bet! When is it starting?

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>> No.15306730

idk, im playing some dota until someone creates a lobby, because i cant.
people generally want to play a bit later, like 3 hours from now or something

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it's just two girls having some fun together!

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I will be there!

>> No.15307468
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So... Wheres the lobby?

>> No.15307604

My pants.

>> No.15308391
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Late lobby is here! Join up!

usual pass

>> No.15308412

Lobby is already at 50%! Join fast!

>> No.15308485

Why isn't there a 2hu tower defense

>> No.15308609
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good question

>> No.15308834

Second lobby of the night is up after a long game!

>> No.15308848

There are several, unless you mean a dota 2 custom map TD.

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You're at your lane and this bitch comes up to your tower and sits down.

What do you do?

>> No.15308871
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Random Reisen and shoot her from a mile away!

>> No.15308890

reisens new gun is fucxkng stupid give her a glock

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>> No.15309032

Both games were fun!

>> No.15309035

not on the losign team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> No.15309114
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Don't be a sore loser! You played and gave it your best, you are a winner in my eyes!

>> No.15311008
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Yo! Anybody up for early games today?

>> No.15311010

i am!

>> No.15311096

I made a USE lobby!

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5/10 need more cykas

>> No.15311115

You're gonna have to wait until my aphrodisiac JAV torrent and game update finishes and I'll be right there
Torrent's at 97% and the update should take less than a minute, so it shouldn't take too long

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>> No.15311172

I'll be there in a minute, I have to warn you though, I have no idea what I'm doing!

>> No.15311215

You'll be fine! Just ask if you find a blank tooltip.

>> No.15311431

That wasn't a fun game, sadly. But fear not, second lobby is up!

>> No.15311433
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Well that sucked. I probably won't do it again.
This seems to suffer from the same situation as the fighters, so for someone new like me, it's neither fun nor instructional.
Sorry for dragging you down.

>> No.15311440

That game was a very poor example of how it should play out. It was just a steamroll.

Close games are a lot of fun!

>> No.15311570

The only way to improve is to keep playing, no need to be discouraged.

>> No.15311575

Moba genre at work people

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>> No.15311775


Feels like I'm playing Dota for the first time again! This time with added lag thanks to ping. It's fine though.

>> No.15311817
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That's not what I meant to say!
>>15311570 is absolutely right, again, it's just like the fighters; the skill discrepancy is just too big, and there's no meaningful way to make tiers as the community is too small.
With skill differences being that grave, it's no fun for anybody involved.
If there's anything to take from my post, then it's that you shouldn't come unprepared, unless everybody else is.

>> No.15311858

You can just divide up the noobs among the teams and have them stick with more experienced players.

There are a few basic principles that, if followed, really limit the degree to which someone can feed.

>> No.15311899
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Man, that's the second time in a row I've gotten baited with an announcement, started up dota, and discovered the game already started.

>> No.15311968

There are two open games right now

>> No.15311972

Fourth game of the day is up and with space!

>> No.15311982

Huh. An announcement popped up about fifteen minutes ago and when I looked, nothing showed up.

>> No.15311985

15 mins ago? We were in the middle of the game then. Maybe it was one of the EU guys trying to get a EU lobby going. Right now we are on the fourth USE lobby of the day. 8/10

>> No.15312048
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We need one more.

>> No.15312084
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it is a shame it is not fun for you. it probably willb e more fun if you keep playing and get better but... it is your decision

the noobs could say in the chat who they are and we could put one on each team or something if that's better for everyone.
i dont mind having new people on my team and helping them desu

>> No.15312117

Teams are pretty random so don't get down when it's one sided it's unavoidable, you'll be on both sides if you play more

>> No.15312435
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That was actually enjoyable, thanks for the game!

>> No.15312468

Yup, had lots of fun after playing for so long.
Hadn't gotten many chances to play with the regulars due to yuro timezone until now either.
Now for that aphrodisiac JAV

>> No.15312483

Please buff lategame of PudgeKunnkaTidehunter a bit and I have my girl.

The higher ping was at times a bit annoying as it sometimes spiked a bit. But I've played worse. There were times when EU west had actually worse ping for me than US East now. Something of the routing was broken and only russia worked fine.

>> No.15313504
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Let's try to play some Sunday night DoTS, /jp/!

Usual PW

>> No.15313543

Did I miss the game?

>> No.15313555

>Posted 11 mintes ago
I don't think you missed it.

>> No.15313567

Can't find any games in the lobby list. Well well time for bed anyway.

>> No.15313577

did you filter with password? also just join the /jp/dots channel

>> No.15313578

Filter by password.

Hint. It's /jp/dots

>> No.15313579

Its usually a private game. Just search /jp/dots in the password section.

>> No.15313730

New lobby join up same pass!

>> No.15313795

9/10 join fast!

>> No.15313916
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The next one will be a win. I can feel it.

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Carry Tenko is a thing I guess.

>> No.15314140
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Poor Mokotan, she tried so hard, but a certain other immortal is just stronger.

>> No.15314152
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New lobby is up!

>> No.15314253
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"a goddess is only as stronk
as the faith of her followers

if friends is no davai
goddess is blyat

but if friends heff faith, if friends always davai
we maek enemy our cyka"

~Book of The Mountain, Verse 1

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>> No.15314358

Cyka blyat idi nahui

>> No.15314361

I swear to god everyone I've heard talk in this game has a russian accent, just how much of /jp/dots is russian?

>> No.15314399

That's probably because one of the only guys that talks is Russian

>> No.15314425

Its the one guy, but I've heard two to four voices and all of them sounded very slav

>> No.15314438

One guy is South American, but he can sound pretty Eastern European

>> No.15315248
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I met that legendary guy yesterday, I hope I can befriend him. My support sanae reach its maximum potential with his occasional davai and genuine praises.

>> No.15315637

I apparently sound British to everyone even though I'm from Eastern Europe
You just haven't gotten the chance to talk with others

>> No.15315698

It's not a real accent.

>> No.15315769
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>> No.15317318

A game is up, if anyone is interested at this time

>> No.15318573
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Monday night DotS time!

usual pass

>> No.15318602

Lobby at 5/10! Come play!

>> No.15318627

is satori OP here?

>> No.15318748
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The curse is broken.

>> No.15318770
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>Able to 100%-0% nearly any hero in the game given equivalent levels
>Most of Sanae's defensive utility except can't provide team-wide physical damage immunity
>People call her Bad Sanae

>> No.15318777

>given equivalent levels
Supports are usually under leveld m80. Getting a free lane vs a piss poor laner doesn't happen every game

>> No.15318810

Is there anyway to spectate ongoing DotS games?

>> No.15318837
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>Supports are usually under leveld

Only if they are not genius jungle stackers who whore xp tomes LIKE I AM

But fine I'll play roam support reimu just to prove to you bakas that red-white a gr8


Have someone on your friends list playing it, spectate his game

Other than that dunno how you would since starting the game takes it out of the lobby listing

>> No.15318920

Please be adults and not cry over people crying over the internet.

That's one game down the shitter thanks to 12 year old behavior.

>> No.15319012

was it the sakuya sapmmer hof

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The who?

It doesn't matter anyways. The guy who started the bad vibe that match was in a bad mood from real dotka and apologized afterwards.

>> No.15319169
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Tenshi is a very good basic utility hero.

>> No.15319175
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reminder to be cute while playing dots!

>> No.15319182
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I was very cute that game!

>> No.15319199
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i wasnt even involved in the games tonight, just got home. i just want people to have fun here

good job being cute, though!

>> No.15320211

No game tonight?

>> No.15320219

Tonight? Most people are on the US timezones and were playing five or six hours ago. If you're in SEA (or really anywhere significantly ahead of GMT), their pub scene is generally pretty active, but I can't speak for quality.

>> No.15320253

It's still afternoon here.
I usually get to play with /jp/ in about 8 hours from now

>> No.15322026
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Who's up for early games today?

>> No.15322068
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>early DotS

Yes fucking please. Just let me go shower real quick and I'm in.

>> No.15322082


Depends when. I'm sad my PudgeKunkka is so shitty. The boat crash deals like 500 damage on lvl3.. and in exchange slows you for an insane amount (including AS) for forever? If you ride it I guess. Talk about a piece of shit. Can't even crash on lvl1 for a gank.

>> No.15322196

Did I miss a game?
Had Deluge on top of the /jp/ firefox window so I didn't see the notification until now

>> No.15322203



You don't have to ride the boat to crash it.

>> No.15322218


Not yet,just asking if peeps are up for an early game today.

>> No.15322315
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I'm ready for some games even if it means I have to play with filthy ameriplebs and 9000 ping on USE.

>> No.15322332

Is USE that harsh for other yuros?
I'm fine ping-wise with pretty much every server regardless of the game aside from Oceania and SEA regions even though I'm a yuro myself.
Frames kinda drop to shit during ultfests, but other than that, it's pretty stable in USE for the few times I've managed to play with /jp/

>> No.15322418


For me it's okay, outside of spikes. It's like 100 "ingame ping". EU servers give like 30. So the "real" delay is probably like 130ms ish. You do quite feel that. There's way worse though, provided it doesn't spike.

>> No.15322555

I get almost 140 ping to USE

>> No.15324221

Lobby is up for us east.

Pass is /jp/dots

Leavers welcome.

>> No.15324476

No lobby?

>> No.15324489

Game in progress.

>> No.15324508

Is it 5v5 anon?

>> No.15328183

lobby up, come play

>> No.15328207

Give me a second to update and take a piss and I'll be there

>> No.15328366

I could play, but then I'd have to pause my JAV torrents.

>> No.15328411


How much JAV do you even need?

>> No.15328603
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Just a few

>> No.15328637


Won't take long then.

Unfortunately I'm playing Sakura no Mori Dreamers right now, and don't really feel like joining you with my noob plays. Hope you get your games.

>> No.15328676

There's another lobby up by the way.


pass is /jp/dots

>> No.15328982
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Iku strong!

>> No.15329000
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I did my best!
I managed to complete 1 item!
Praise me! Praise me!

>> No.15329033

There is one (1) empty slot! Come play!

>> No.15329051

Im in!

>> No.15329113

Game coordinator servers actually crashed
Amazing quality provided by valve servers.

>> No.15329356

That was a great game guys, thanks for coming today!

>> No.15329444

Murasa, crash your boat.

>> No.15330066


Can you build a fleet? That'd be kinda awesome.

>> No.15330318

No, if you cast a new boat it replaces the old one.

>> No.15330607

New lobby up.

>> No.15330913

Wow, this game can be fun when it's not a complete stomp, even if I didn't contribute much! Also sorry for that few minutes of afk near the end, that was my fault.

>> No.15331017
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>That moment when you know the match is lost from the 5th minute and you have to play out a 40 minute match anyway

>> No.15331018
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Nice games.

>> No.15331035

Why was marisa mad?

>> No.15331100
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Because this guy >>15331017 wouldn't stop complaining the whole game with shit russian accent. And at the end he pretty much gave up, when we still had a chance. I seriously hate this kind of people.

>> No.15331127

Really? He seemed pretty happy to me.
I just kept hearing him screaming ONEGAISHIMAAAAAAAAAASH until he got bored and left, but no sign of irritation or something.

>> No.15331132

Oh wait, different Marisa
Just woke up and got confused.

>> No.15333593

A comfortable afternoon lobby is up.

Pass is /jp/dots

>> No.15333600

Ain't that Russian whiner part of the regulars?
He makes the game feel way too serious and whines a lot, he's one of the reason I don't play with /jp/

>> No.15333606

You should try hosting games!

You can shuffle him to the other team!

>> No.15333634

Rather play pub games than that, higher chances to get friendly players actually.

>> No.15333644

Are you implying jaypee isn't the friendliest board that you can always depend on?

>> No.15333654

I just played a pub game and it was in no way friendly.

I had two players bitching at me for buying the wrong items and I can't say that's ever happened besides that guy with the dumb accent.

At least people don't leave as much in these /jp/ games. Well besides that guy with the dumb accent.

>> No.15333655


I have no clue what I'm doing, won none of the 4 games I played, and nobody was ever mad. Pubs are worse. Going 4 games without anyone mad is like impossible.

>> No.15333668

Yeah but why would you want to play with /jp/ if there's 100% chance to get a rager/whiner in your game?

>> No.15333695

Russians and SEA shit up every game they touch.
Used to be brazilians but I guess they can't afford to upgrade their ancient computers away from shit like Tibia.

>> No.15333712
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reminder to be CUTE while playing dots and mute the annoying guy who complains all game on mic with accent

>> No.15333725
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Let's take it easy and not ruin the mood

>> No.15333768

You know it's just a big circlejerk when /jp/ still plays with a guy that's clearly toxic and scare potential new /jp/sies away.
Only reason they do this because he's one of the regulars aka inner circle.

>> No.15333779

who is the inner circle

>> No.15333826

just mute him if you don't like the guy

>> No.15333837

That's not the point, the thing is none likes him outside the regulars. Therefor there will never be many new players because new players just think /jp/ is a toxic bunch of players.

>> No.15333841

Everyone told him to stop the accent and he didn't and now nobody cares enough about it to actually kick him. I haven't seen anyone acting super friendly like a clique would despite the fact that a bunch of the players actually play together a lot. It's actually a miracle, considering how often cliques form in generals like this.

>> No.15333850

well then they can mute him too? new people come from this thread, you know

>> No.15333857

Honestly, I don't mind it at the start of games. Although whenever the game starts to go negatively at all, he starts being really negative. There's no way to make your team tilt harder than to scream about how bad everyone's doing.

>> No.15333870

I don't even understand why you keep playing with him when he's toxic and making it less fun for everyone scares new people away all the time.

>> No.15333883
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The funny thing is, even russian dots community have less toxic players.

>> No.15333891

So let me see if I understand correctly: some guy was rude to you, so you called him ‘toxic’ and asked the rest of the players to ostracise him. They told you to fuck off, and the only possible explanation for this is that there's a hidden organization of people who have decided to refuse your request, and have spread this decision to the rest of the player base.

>> No.15333897

He's not alone, you know. This guy is a pain in the ass for almost all new players.

>> No.15333898

It was not even me saying that he was rude from the start, he comes up all the time he's being rude,whining and toxic in general. Even the regular says that he's but keeps playing with him.
And when did people tell me to fuck off? they told me that's indeed rude and I should just mute him.

>> No.15333923

reminder to stop using the word "toxic", it makes you look like a little bitch

>> No.15333927
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Wanna play ball with reimoo?

>> No.15333928

A few days ago, somebody whined about how the other team was full of OP heroes and his team was full of incompetent retards.

This apparently made the OTHER team salty as shit, because one of the players on it rage quit and the other one started chain feeding to "even out the game," which then lost the ensuing 6v3.

The salt is real.

>> No.15333936

You're being just as salty right now

>> No.15333937

The guy who abandoned was the russian accent guy.

the guy who initially complained was in a bad mood and apologized after the game was done.

The feeder was just dumb.

>> No.15333958
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The friendliness of /jp/ is tested by the saltwaters of hate that is Dota. Who will come out on top? Will the brave /jp/sies maintain their inner peace as they play or will they succumb to the anger and become the Russians and Peruvians that they so despise?

>> No.15333959

New lobby up.

9/10 with 7/10 being the inner circle.

Toxic russian is MIA.

>> No.15333966

Reminder that there's no longer a difference between regular pubs and /jp/ dots right now.

>> No.15333971

Okay, this is like Dota .53 or something. Physical > all, late-game is the name of the game. If your skills don't scale, you become absolutely worthless. The more I play Dots, the more this becomes obvious.

Are they actually attempting to balance this a bit in the future? Shouldn't even be so hard. As a Dota player, the first thing I immediately see is that if an active is taken from Dota, it's nerfed. Why? Especially seeing how so many passive effects are way better than anything that Dota offers.

>> No.15333991

Most heros have some way of staying relevant late game, be it stuns, pushing, carry potential, or utility abilities. There are indeed a few characters that have NO late game whatsoever, but there aren't many of them.

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>> No.15334043

It's being developed by stupid chinks so of course the balance is fucked. Honestly I don't have much hope for the future of the map, there are so many things wrong.

>> No.15334080

i would add that a reliable blink dagger (doesnt even have to be as strong as in regular dota) would make the life of half of the supports MUCH easier.
Imagine shiki with one, would be glorious.
But yeah there are alot of minor balance issues that could be solved with simple number reductions/increases.
I am thinking less base hp for rabbit and other such things.
Also a real counter to camera.

>> No.15334085

I buy 9-ball every game and never regret my decision

>> No.15334101

Daily reminder that Murasa should crash her boat. Thanks.

>> No.15334107

I want to bully people with blink daggers by using Yuugi ult on them and watch them suffer

>> No.15334134


I don't think a blink is necessary. But some mobility abilities in this are pretty fucking OP, which makes me feel like if those are nerfed (hard), we are golden. Like generally speaking movement-speed in this isn't quite as easily gotten as in Dota. (no phase, travels give way less MS and so on) And yet there are passives of some girls that give them essentially haste, which is way stronger than the Dota equivalent as everyone is slower and no mobility items exist.
The storm ult in this is pretty much "fine", as it's heavily nerfed compared to dota, but the joke is that some of the OP mobility abilities are flatout better. Perhaps on a cooldown, but you don't need and spend thousands of mana in exchange.

Yeah, mobility is also a bit questionable in this for sure. I don't personally mind a bit more restriction, but that makes it even more important to make absolutely sure that those few abilities that exist have enough drawbacks and aren't too strong. I mean even as far as disables goes this game seems to have way less than Dota, making mobility even stronger. I don't even wanna know what an Ember or Storm (with Dota items) could do in Dots.. well I suppose pretty much the same as the girls with OP movement stuff?

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There is a phase item in the game,its the 2400 cost Kitsune Mask.


Murasa's boat crash does very little damage (300/500) pure at level 2 and 3 boat, if boat dies while Murasa is on boat she suffers 5-second 100% movement speed debuff.

>> No.15334210

500 pure damage is not "very little", DotA's Lina does 640 damage with her level three ultimate after MR and that's a single-target ability.

>> No.15334242


In Dots it's kinda little.. because physical is so OP. I'd take Kunkkas ship over Murasa boat every day. Way less CD, way better effects. You'd even have setup with Murasa. The rum would be pretty sweet. And otherwise it'd be a great lvl6 ability.

>> No.15334251


Reimu's ball can deal 900+ damage

Her rocket barrage-ish skill can hit for 600~

Mokou's fire dash is already 500 magic damage.

300/500 pure damage isn't really worth the 150 cd on a valuable transport.

>> No.15335034
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Are we getting any games soon?

>> No.15335196

You can't really compare numbers like that in dota though, reimu would have to be level 8 for that combo and she's usually not getting farm. You can also space her right to avoid most of it plus it's mitigated by everyone's base magic resist and resist items. I'm not saying murasa's ult is great it's just has different uses.

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I just got home, am sleep deprived and had too much chocolate milk. I'd love to start a lobby but I am out of commission right now. But you can make a lobby and an announcement to get it filled!

>> No.15335251
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Why everyone so mad today, should be taking this game easy not seriously.

>> No.15335437

I had tough pubs before I played earlier

>> No.15335773

Dots time.

Positive attitudes only.

Lobby up.

Pass: /jp/dots

>> No.15335978

Lobby is at 9/10

Please help.

>> No.15336008

Game ongoing?
Darng, didn't make it.

>> No.15336012
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sorry, major is up

i have to pass tonight, /jp/! ;_;

>> No.15336015

Just watch it on a second monitor, senpai.

>> No.15336034
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>tfw cant spend money on another monitor right now

even then, i dont think it would work well.
it's ok though, since you guys were able to get 10 to play ^^

>> No.15336232
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Don't you have literally anything laying around? An old TV or anything?

I've been using these two shitty monitors for a decade now, double monitors are comfy even if they are low res.

>> No.15336404
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Pew Pew

>> No.15336410
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When will Tewi save us?

>> No.15336411

Broken little bunny
I wish I could break her

>> No.15337488
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Pretty hard. It's a tough bunny, even if she looks cute.

>> No.15337587

Got sauce for that?
Just a name will do, I can find the rest

>> No.15337603


It's the first Labyrinth of Touhou.

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>> No.15337876


Murasa would have to be level 11 and 16 for that and she's not much for farming either. I'm not saying the boat should never ever be crashed but its usually not worth it as it isn't as powerful as people think it is.

>> No.15338420

In my eyes a kill is worth the CD 100% of the time.

>> No.15338481

Daily afternoon lobby is up.

Pass is /jp/dots

>> No.15338499 [SPOILER] 
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JAVs come first

>> No.15338520
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>> No.15338562

The lobby is filling up fast!

Act now!

Possibly the last exciting event before this thread dies?

Will there be another thread? Maybe not!

So join now!

>> No.15338565



>> No.15338571

It's actually 4/10
Shelf got shelved again.

>> No.15338577


Yeah, because I joined. But it's starting to look up now.

>> No.15338578
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The lobby is filling up so fast!

>> No.15338619

Gaben is ddosing us

>> No.15338707

We've been in 9/10 purgatory for some time now. Someone save us.

>> No.15338879

New lobby is up! And at 7/10!

>> No.15339285
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Thanks for the game guys, that was my first time with her. I just want to pick the rabbit because of her route hype in the new fighting game.

>> No.15339754
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Will there be more games tonight?

>> No.15339903

Maybe. I'm trying to put together another event.

>> No.15340239

Another? Last night seemed more of the usual

>> No.15340286

I want to fill Aya

>> No.15340726
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It is time to be cute together /jp/!

Usual pass

>> No.15340875

There are 5 cute /jp/sies in the lobby!

>> No.15340928

Make that 6, my doto2 update is about to be finished.

>> No.15340939

Are you cute?

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>> No.15341064

9/10 think fast!

>> No.15341110

The gates have been opened!

>> No.15341210

new game up 5/10!

>> No.15343332

Blinking away before yuugi's long ass animation is finished!

>> No.15343439
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Not realizing Yuugi's cast point continues as long as you have vision and exploding after you think you're safe!

>> No.15343453

I'm pretty sure the animation stops if they walk out of range.

>> No.15343517

It has a max cast range. This is why you can just walk away from it unless she claps you first.

>> No.15343590

and if she tries to clap you, you can just walk away as well.

>> No.15344139
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I'm hosting a game right now!

>> No.15344180
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I wish I was home to play with /jp/

>> No.15344254
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we have 7 people
need 3 more

>> No.15344259
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Then hurry home. Everyone is waiting.

>> No.15344381
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I won't be home for at least another hour.

>> No.15344420
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Well, everyone will just gently fight each other till then. Keeping the room warm.

>> No.15344724

We're at 9/10 people!

>> No.15344953
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These lobbies are getting pretty competive

>> No.15344975
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Is fine friend is wat red circle next to people's name is for

>> No.15344985
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But I want to talk to all the nice cute japyee's

>> No.15345012
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Competitive jay peas a kuso


>> No.15345706

New thread where?

>> No.15345744

When this one 404s

>> No.15345750

Lobby up.

Come dots with me.

>> No.15345789


It's on page 10 don't be a nerd

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>> No.15345820

New cute thread can be found here >>15345802

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