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What did he mean by this?

>> No.15139384 [DELETED] 

Why does FSN have some many weird fucking phrases?

>> No.15139386

>>15139377
Why does FSN have so many weird fucking phrases?

>> No.15139396
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>>15139386

>> No.15139435

>>15139386
what you really mean is why is the translation of FSN so bad

>> No.15139478

"From a purely utilitarian point of view, your course of action is correct, but I want to protect that smile, so stop being a fag."

>> No.15139543

>>15139377
It can't be helped.

>> No.15139580

>>15139386
Because the writer is an autist.

>> No.15139624

>>15139396
Why does this trigger people? It's a normal english phrase, but when people see it in anime stuff it bothers them so much. Is it because Japs say a similar phrase way more than English speakers use that phrase?

I wonder if there's some phrase English speakers say a lot that triggers Japs when it's translated.

>> No.15139634

>>15139624
Maybe because it's a textbook translation. Could there be more nuance? Saying "nothing can be done" seems very Japanese though.

>> No.15139636

>>15139386
It's only natural for translators.

>> No.15140081

>>15139636
So it can't be helped?

>> No.15140102

Because Yasu or whatever wrote this crap's an autist and likes to doubt everything.

>> No.15140130

It's a semantic argument

or if you want to be more exact, what Shirou is saying is "no but fuck you though"

>> No.15140136

>>15139624
Not him but it's because "it can't be helped" is seen by a lot of people as the Japanese having a defeatist outlook on life.

>> No.15140219

>>15139624
it's a shitty translation.

>> No.15140285

>>15140219
What would you use instead if "It can't be helped?"

>> No.15140298

>>15140285
shit's fucked bruh

>> No.15140398

>>15140285
"There's no other choice" could be an alternative.

>> No.15140461

>>15139377
It's correct realistically/ideally but isn't right morally.

That's what he meant. Does that clear things up?

>> No.15141792
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>>15140398
"It cannot be helped" is the internationally accepted translation of shikata ga nai though.

>> No.15141809

>>15140285
I feel like "it is what it is" would work good for this translation. I mean, the Japanese phrase in question is "Sho ga nai". I feel like it translates best to that.

>> No.15141812

>>15141792
>>15141809
"Sho ga nai"
"Skikata ga nai"
You know what I meant

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>>15139624

Because it's a ubiquitous example of reliance on textbook translations rather than understanding of the languages. Nearly every instance of this phrase had a more appropriate alternative, such as "oh well", "But hey, whatever", "But that's life for 'ya", "But that's just how things are". To incessantly utilize a phrase that is an -example- of the original text's meaning, despite literary context, is the hallmark of a bad translator (if, indeed, they are translating at all).

>> No.15141938

>>15141812

I'm just saying if that's the accepted translation by both english scholars and the japanese, then I don't really see a point in arguing against it.

>> No.15141942

>>15141938
Oh, I dont really have a problem with it, I dont really see why it matters. That was jst my 2 cents.

>> No.15141987

>>15141938

>the

No, it is -an- accepted translation. Just because 心 is translated as 'heart' doesn't mean it's 心臓.

People (and by extension characters) don't speak solely in stock phrases, let alone consistently within their own internal dialogue. A real translator cannot forgo characterization simply because there is a single example of a common phrase within a dictionary.

>> No.15142033

>>15141987
It can't be helped now.

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>> No.15142337

Archer is totally correct but Shirou doesn't care.

>> No.15144230

>>15142337
Being totally correct made Archer a mass murderer.

>> No.15144410

>>15144230
I want to protect Archer's smile

>> No.15144428

Did anyone else love fate/zero but hate f/sn

>> No.15144446

>>15144428
Fate/Zero was good.

F/SN (the VN):
Fate was shit
UBW was good
HF was almost as good as UBW

>> No.15145408

>>15139377
I want to fuck archer.

>> No.15146673

>>15141987
>>15141851

So you want people to take a (well 2) phrase which is said exactly the same each time and write it differently each time?

It's okay to just say "eyes" any time someone says eyes. You don't have to say "orbs", "peepers", "pupils" and what not to make the text colorful. There's also only like two natural, non-forced sounding English phrases equivalent to it.

>(and by extension characters) don't speak solely in stock phrases
Well... It depends if you consider catch phrases to be stock phrases.

Honestly, you could even define tsundere type characters by stock phrases, and probably several other major archetypes.

>> No.15146688

>>15146673
Context is important, especially when Japanese is a language that doesn't translate literally very well.

>> No.15146706

>>15146688
All translations must be literal. If you let people make up something that fits they'll put in memes.

>> No.15146717

>>15146706
Making them literal just sounds awkward.
You're not making something up, you're just saying "She's a verbose person" instead of "She often speaks many words even when not many are necessary".

>> No.15146721

>>15146706
You don't have to assume the worst in any given situation, anon. Just forget about what board you're posting on for a second.

>> No.15146836

If people want an absolutely literal translation, get the Japanese script and run it through Google Translate.

>> No.15147048

>>15146836
Google translate would be much better if it did give literal translations.

>> No.15147273

>>15146717
Both of those are bad. Especially if the author writes poorly enough that they wouldn't even know what verbose meant if they were writing in English.

>> No.15147318

>>15146717
>You're not making something up, you're just saying "She's a verbose person" instead of "She often speaks many words even when not many are necessary".

I would've just said she talks too much.

>>15141987
>A real translator cannot forgo characterization simply because there is a single example of a common phrase within a dictionary.

But I'm not talking about characterization, I'm saying it's just a common thing they say. Even the Japanese who were in US internment camps said in english "it can't be helped" about their situation. It was part of a case study about how little they resisted despite the fact that we interned them for doing nothing wrong.

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>>15139386

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