Working Poor In Japan

[Anonymous No.]

(whole) 4 parts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=363uc7ab7JA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcdihyYl7KM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_kk-UpCmG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKOlNoqHMng
does this video hit you in the feels? reflecting on myself i think i would be just like them in my near future.

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>dropped out of university
>came to tokyo to pursue his dream of becoming an animator

Jesus.

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>>14930633
At least he is pursuing his dreams. That's more than most people will ever do.

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le sad feelios man xDDD

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>>14930669
The guy in part 2 mentions working for a company until retirement, and I do have to agree that there are big similarities to this and being a company slave.
The biggest problem I have accepting this lifestyle are the living conditions, I'd never be content with sleeping on a chair.
With proper money management (i.e. not buying premade food every time because that is way more expensive than cooking yourself) you can live sort of comfortably if all you need is a PC and an internet connection.
The point of pursuing your dreams is a tough one, because everyone has their dreams, right?
And just having a dream doesn't mean that pursuing it is a possibility.
In the end it's obviously his (guy in part 1) choice to live his life like this, and I'm not going to criticize him for choosing that life as long as he isn't delusional about himself (pic related).
With delusional I mean that he should be aware of his own situation, his own capabilities (not thinking that he's a super cool number 1 artist when in reality his skill isn't far above average for the industry), and how other people will see him. If, after all this he is still content with his life and the meager chances of his dream becoming true, then I really can't criticize him.

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>>14930602
>>>/int/
>>>/biz/

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Feels good having a moderately stable, high paying yet cushy corporate job in Japan

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>>14930722
You aren't even trying man.

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>>14930726
Kill yourself.

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>Moving to/living in/not moving out of Japan
It's their/your own fault.

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I am working poor in my own country already.

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Watching the poor struggle is in general is depressing. That's why I help out at a soup kitchen, the poor don't really deserve to suffer.

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>>14931863
Your soup kitchen does not help defeat capitalism.
You're only putting a bandage on something to hide it, you're not solving the problem.
You're not making them less poor.

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>>14931885
No but it is one less thing they have to worry about, going hungry. It's about doing the things you have the power to do.

It's out of goodwill

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>>14931333
Is the guy in the first and last panels resting in a manga cafe?

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>>14931993
i am actually not sure, i do remember the manga itself. the guy is a taxi driver who was a war veteran and now planning to go back to combat. it could be his home.

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That's depressing.
At least the last guy has a father who understands the situation.

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>>14931333
his cafe box is way nicer than what that other guy got

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>>14932193

I didn't know Japan has craigslist

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>>14931333
Name of comic? Worth reading?

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why they aren't fucking some jav actress and earning easy money

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>>14932193
This is a fun read, I'm glad it got serialized. I hope it gets adapted into a short.

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>>14930669
With a dream like that you have to know that it's not easy to get a job in animation, he should have had a backup plan from the start.

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>>14931944
applause
keep up the good work, anon
more people should help out like this on a regular basis

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ZUN's really getting lazy with these newest installments.

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>>14930738
No seriously fuck off with your shit to /pol/ or where ever.

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>>14932193
Sauce?

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>>14933991
>>14937810
Umaru mk2

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>>14930602
>15 min video
>separated in 4 parts
cheating clickbait gook

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Every cost has it's price. There is no dream, it's all just another path leading to the same result. Your only salvation in life is spending your time enjoying your hobbies.

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>>14937905
But you need money to enjoy your hobbies.

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>>14930633
And animator in Japan literally makes less than the guys working at 7-11. If you ever get sick, they fire you on the spot.

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>>14937976
uumaru is cute!

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>>14937976
That seems like something human rights should be concerned about. But no! Lets worry instead for scribbles of little girls!

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>>14938245
Scribbles of little girls have public impact, some random dudes' living conditions doesn't.

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i can never understand how a country can be perceived as a paradise and a shit hole at the same time

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I am unemployed.

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It's pretty sad. There are a LOT of people in Japan living day to day in internet cafes. That second guy, though. He dropped out of Waseda University of all places! If he just finished, he'd of been set for life. He had no excuse. It's not like he was or is pursuing any kind of dream anyways.

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Reminds me of this, still in my top 5 documentaries ever. Worth a watch if you haven't seen it, genuinely touching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH-kNnq7mFM

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>>14938340
Shitty politics, it's not uncommon, even stuff like Russia and Brazil have an area that's the top of the top but next to them there's hell in earth.

Same thing happens to Japan to a minor extent.

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>>14931885
You're not solving any problems either you cretin.

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>>14938340
Because it is kind of a shithole compared to Western countries in absolute living conditions. Also the business culture in Japan is awful. It's a great place to visit, a great place to retire, but a terrible place to work.

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>>14939136
You know, if Japanese society didn't instill that empty sense of manly pride into everyone, human relationships between each other there would be way easier. He would have had an easier time communicating with his girlfriend. He was poor, but at least he wasn't alone.
Pride can be nice and fulfilling but there's a reason some people categorize it as a sin and sometimes like in this case, it's just best to resign to whatever cards life has dealt you with. At least he did so in the end.

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>>14939136

That little speech he said to his girlfriend about 55 min in, gets me right here man. Sums up everything wrong with the enforced Japanese mindset while humanizing their relationship.

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>>14939136
>I just spoke with Naoki on Facebook and he said that he was diagnosed with cancer and that yoshei left him.
Well now.

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He'll need to get his super mode first.

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>>14941054

With how much he smokes the first part didn't surprise me.

But the second one hurts man

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>>14937976
>If you ever get sick, they fire you on the spot.
I wonder if you could ask them for non-paid sick days instead?

that's bad but not as bad as losing your job.

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>>14941233
The reasoning is that if you are not at work, you're making your colleagues catch up to your "slacking" because you're not there to support them.
This is why people don't take vacations even if they're entitled to them.

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>>14938327
Why would they have public impact compared to the quality of life of working people? If you don't want to buy loli doujinshi you just don't. But lower class workers on the other hand can't just escape their situation easily, otherwise they all would if they could.

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Well, this thread is depressing.

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>>14941297
Japan may be a 1st world nation now, but it still treats its people like middle ages half-slave workers.

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>>14941386
Because politics are essentially the stage performance having nothing to do with the "quality of life" or whatever. Performance should be fun, exciting to the public or it won't work because people won't care.

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that guy is paying $1000 monthly in maple syrup to live in a box - what the hell is that? in my city you could get a very nice 1 bedroom apartment, all included within walking distance of downtown for less than that.

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These people are like the people working in fastfood in the west but even worse because they don't even speak the lingua-franca of the world (English).

They only have themselves to blame. Japanese business culture is shitty because the workers are mindless follow the leader drones. It's all self inflicted and I feel no sympathy.

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>>14942242
He's living in Tokyo. One of the most expensive cities in the world.

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>>14942331

How does english help the people working in fastfood?

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Looks like your average minority in a western nation except Japan lacks minorities so their own citizens take the role of the working class.

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>>14943264
Helps in getting a job which isn't the local-equivalent of fast food

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>>14937846
oh is that bomber kun? or someone else

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"get a well-paying job to support yourself and your family", every kid, especially asian ones, is taught this at an early age. Yet some look at it and see a path of 40 years working at a job they don't really love, just so at the end of it they can say "I have a house, a wife, a kid, and a dog". So they choose to pursue what they love instead, even if they know they have little chance at success. Why? Because they don't want to have an aching regret of not having taken a shot.

This is in fact one of the major reasons for low motivation in the workplace. Some employees, even middle managers, are just anxious to clock out to go back to their personal life hobbies, i.e, "doing what they love".

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>>14942331
>>14943867
So English is required for any "job" in all countries? Classic obnoxious ethnocentrism.
It may be true for developing countries, who rely on exports, foreign investment, etc. Not so much developed ones whose domestic markets are strong.

A large number of mid-size to large business in Europe don't speak English. They speak French, German, Italian. Of course, they have their own English-speaking people to deal with Anglo partners.

https://youtu.be/eJosfGwCj0I

>Japanese business culture is shitty because the workers are mindless follow the leader drones. It's all self inflicted and I feel no sympathy.

And what's the logic behind this statement? Can you give a critical analysis of common Japanese competitive and corporate strategies?

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>>14931863
>>14931944

Um are you rich?

Where do you find the time to help out in a soup kitchen let alone attend to your own needs and requirements in life (including posting on /jp/).

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>>14941297
No wonder Japs kill themselves so often.

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>>14944792
Most technical documentation is written in english, as are most help desks and discussion boards.

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>>14930602
The only way out is education. But once you drop out of high-school/college/university, it seems very difficult to climb back up because then your first priority is to survive.

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>>14938245
EU is full of human rights and look what happened :')

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>>14945584

Is getting a trade a lot harder or something in Japan? I dropped out of university years ago and was told my future was over. I got a shitty job as a salesman at a carpet shop. Eventually I became an apprentice for one of the fitters. Now I fit flooring by myself as an interdependent contractor. I really doubt I'd have been making more money with my business degree than I am now.

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>>14946075
In the videos they said they don't have the time or savings to get training but they also might not have the same demand there for trade work.

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>>14945172
>Um are you rich?

No, I'm not. In fact I'm the definition of middle class.

But I was taught to love thy neighbor and all that, so I put aside time to help.

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>Animator
I get him. I mean he needs the flexible time to work on his skills while looking for uncertain short-term animation jobs to build up his resume.
>Idol guy
This guy just gave up on life.
>Guy with his dad
>I can't study, I'm working
Bullcrap. I work 50 hour weeks and I have time to study.

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>>14946142
Middle class is still pretty rich dude.

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>>14944792
>And what's the logic behind this statement? Can you give a critical analysis of common Japanese competitive and corporate strategies?

It's just my experience meeting young people here.

Learning English to fluency by the end of university is the biggest indication of future financial success and they don't even bother. The average person just does not have the drive to succeed. They're content with medocrity.

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>>14939136
>waaaah Japan isn't the degenerate western normalfag Chadcentric society I come from!!!!

Fuck that fat retard
Go back to your own country if you hate it so much

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>>14948062
Why do these documentaries always focus on poor degenerates? There are rich people too.

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So.. moving to japan is a terrible idea or it's just around the major cities?

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>>14948103
You can have a great life here if you have a good western education, have some useful skills and you're billingual.

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>>14948136
>good western education
And that would be a college degree or what? Do foreigners have a chance without one?
Language isn't an issue, japanese is going to be my 4th language if I keep studying.

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>>14948177
>And that would be a college degree or what?
At least a degree in an employable field from a reputable school, yes. I would recommend a Masters really but you can do that here.

> Do foreigners have a chance without one?
Nope. You can't legally work here without one.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Moiq6Wrpd8

This was interesting.

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>>14941123
I WANT THAT HAT

Also just became a neet again for about a month now and its scary how days go by.
I need to find work and go to school again..
These are a great motivation.
My heart goes out to the animator.
If i ever strike rich ill make a home for future animators that show prospects

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>>14948263
>there aren't enough jobs
>it's the government's fault
>they should stop spending money

lol

If they can't find jobs in a country with 3% unemployment they're gonna be failures anywhere

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>>14948313
The unemployment rate doesn't count "discouraged workers." To be fair, no country counts its discouraged workers in the unemployment rate, but a low rate doesn't mean that there's a job ready for everyone who wants one.

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>>14948346
On every street I go there are adverts hiring people for jobs

The population is starting to free-fall and the country has to secretly import workers from poorer Asian countries to keep certain industries afloat.

These people's problem is that they just expect jobs handed to them without bothering to invest anything at all in education or communicative abilities or anything that is expected in a modern economy.

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They're basically like lions who are too lazy to hunt or the grasshopper that didn't bother to prepare for the winter.

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>>14948313
>>14948445

Keep in mind that in a lot of countries, the homeless are generally people with mental illness who can't afford the treatment that would allow them to pursue a normal life. This is especially true in the US.

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>>14948439
>These people's problem is that they just expect jobs handed to them without bothering to invest anything at all in education or communicative abilities or anything that is expected in a modern economy.
Did it ever occur to you that someone of these people never had the money to invest in these things in the first place? That for the lowers members of society if you're born poor, you generally die poor? People like Andrew Carnegie are the exception, not the rule.

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>>14948524
Japan has free secondary education and cheap tertiary education. You can put yourself through college on a part-time job.

The real problem is that all your classmates are competing to see who can eat the most shit or debase themselves further and some people aren't cut out for that kind of thing.

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why don't they join the army

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>>14948439
They're broke. They can't afford to be fucking """" investing """"

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>>14948540
Working in Asian companies is like having a colleague who tries to to put in more hours and be the most doormat-like than everyone else to get ahead. Except everyone is that colleague.

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>>14948445
Oh, the "hard working people are rich and lazy people are poor" meme. When will it stop?

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>>14948732
You don't need to do that much investing to work at McDonalds. Just not act like trash

I have nothing but scorn for the people who stay in one place and just sit around and wait while jobs move elsewhere without any kind of reaction until it's too late. We are mobile human beings not trees. It's like a frog in a pot slowly being boiled. Probably in the meantime they were spending all their money on junk too.

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>>14948741
lazy or stupid*

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>>14948750
Yeah, they're stupid for choosing being born into a poor household before entering this world

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>>14948762
Stop blaming your parents for how you live

You have like half a century to claw your way back up. That's a ton of chances

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>>14948773
It's not blaming, it's how the world works, the world is complex and there are many many other factors that contribute to your social standing other than your own effort, including many things that are already decided for you.
It also goes for the ones who are born in rich households. You sound idealistic.