Elona

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Elona Anonymous Mon Mar 14 04:58:44 2016 No.14920462 [Reply] [Original]

Elona+ Custom 1.55 General Information (for newer players): http://pastebin.com/Zcavai8x (embed)

Elona+ Custom 1.55 Mods: http://pastebin.com/vZ8Hfw6C (embed)

Previous thread: >>14881260

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 05:02:58 2016 No.14920469

What's the best way of raising a pet? I'm trying to raise a bear without letting it level up past a point where it's skill levels aren't up to snuff for it's level range. Like a level 44 with 20 in Tactics. I've mostly been giving it hundreds of thousands of gold and it's potentials are still just barely above 'bad'. What's the quickest way of getting high-ish skill levels on most skills?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 06:15:39 2016 No.14920658 >>14920469 >skill levels aren't up to snuff for it's level range Does that even matter really? Isn't level just basically stats/hp/mp to pets?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 07:06:03 2016 No.14920760 >>14920469 As soon you get a decent gene engineering level a pet's level won't matter since you'll just want to gene engineer them to the highest level currently possible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 07:57:58 2016 No.14920862 File: 236 KB, 580x394, bolt.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I don't use bows What a waste.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:40:49 2016 No.14920935 Does Stradivarius bonus affect ensemble?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:10:13 2016 No.14920995 >>14920935 No. >>14920862 Let an archer pet pew pew with it? You can use a command flag to change their ammo too.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:12:00 2016 No.14921002

Reposting those links from the last thread, so pastebin guy won't forget to add them.

A hundred or so one-tile sprites (use as pets, NPC replacements)

https://mega.nz/#!ZMAFVDha!QAaNrLZy32TD2R6_DpftRQ9luDJJa4VJ9e8WAguN7sY

A hundred higher res (individual) profile avatars:

https://mega.nz/#!sBJWFb7L!7r1-fpoXwu1nPdluIwTbdwS7mhdh3STUEPXtzTiut3A

The PCC pack from the pastebin, but with an additional 30 higher quality custom PCCs from the JP Elona database (which you normally have to manually edit and seperate in prhotoshop, but provided individually here): https://mega.nz/#!VZoBQYrC!726vJ5V9KkzPLgj7f4DzG103aJh8xTnz6XmkriKNvwk

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 12:29:47 2016 No.14921485 So as far as this game goes, is it generally a better strategy to level up every skill as high as possible (and thus boost attributes) rather than specialize in as few as possible?

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 12:35:31 2016 No.14921517
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>Encounter siva in the void, get a god heart
>Kill estork, get another
>Kill normal siva, get another

These aren't as hard to get as I thought! Especially end game. So I guess you really do need to just wait.
I'll probably get more via the void

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 13:18:53 2016 No.14921661 File: 72 KB, 128x192, lookatthoseboooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooobs_0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Repostan busty PCC. I'll post more when I get home.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 13:35:51 2016 No.14921730

>>14921485
There seems to be two schools of thought here. Most(?) people (myself included) think that getting every skill in elonaplus is a good idea.

Some don't agree, because traveling gives skill exp to a random skill, so the fewer skills you have, the greater the chance that the exp will go to your most used skills. (Like Tactics for a melee character).

In super late end game when you have skill levels in their 700+ or something, a lot of skill levels are going to come from traveling and skill points. And you can't level too much because hp and mp can overflow, so that miiiiiight limit the skill points you can possibly get. There's also the level cap, but has anyone here reached it?

So traveling exp is important. But I think that having every single skill will get you to late game faster and easier, and even in late game the traveling exp gain difference should be negligible.

I really need to go do my stuff and stop writing walls of text.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 13:39:46 2016 No.14921750 Anyone know of any documentation on the Elona+/custom feats? I've been googling tons and I can't find shit all, except brief mentions on forums of specific ones. And wiki only has class feats listed, not the general Elona+ feats.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 13:59:50 2016 No.14921837 Can pets use special abilities from items? (specifically the ranged special move from chains and whips). Does swarm affect ranged attacks?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 14:29:09 2016 No.14921928 >>14921730 Correct me if I'm wrong, but hp/mp overflow is only a problem at high life/mana values, right? 2000 in each attribute shouldn't be enough to max out hp/mp by a long shot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 14:52:21 2016 No.14922011 >>14921928 2000 CON + 2000 LIFE should do it, I think.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 14:54:04 2016 No.14922021

>>14921837
>Can pets use special abilities from items? (specifically the ranged special move from chains and whips).

Ranged special is an ability so I imagine you would need to equip the item, reset the pet's skill list then go to the ability tab. This is for the custom pet AI.

>>14921750
Scroll down. What you see is what is known.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Special_action_(Elona%2B)

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:00:15 2016 No.14922055 >>14921928 I dunno what the overflow limit is. It may be as low as 21 million. Ask Kai - he's the one who posted it. Actually, I'm looking at the elona jp wiki, and it says hp/mp should be capped at 1 million. I don't know what's going on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:10:28 2016 No.14922097 >>14922055 I guess E+ or vanilla elona removed that cap at some point. Saw some other screenshots of 1mil+ HP in E+ 1.41 or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:54:15 2016 No.14922247 >>14921837 You mean remote blow? Yes, my female Demon's ruler uses her whip long distance just fine

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:03:02 2016 No.14922287 >>14921730 I was under the impression that levelling up skills boosted their corresponding attributes. So by having very few skills to level up, and the nature of diminishing returns as levels increase, that they'll have reduced core attributes?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:06:45 2016 No.14922300 Are there any particular raw ores or gems I want to stockpile for something down the line, or is it best just to vendor them all for gold?

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:18:15 2016 No.14922339

>>14922300
Save diamond, ruby, and emerald ores. Later on you can fuse them into large versions hat your pets can vendor for more training money.
Gold, mica are also good for pets to vendor, but you can't fuse them so you might as well just give them to them now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:19:26 2016 No.14922348 >>14922300 >>14922339 And I say "for your pets" because pets sell these for their true value if you give them to them or they pick them up.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:20:25 2016 No.14922355

>>14922300
You can combine your raw ores using the pot of fusion to get an upgraded version that increases their total worth. This is useful for giving to pets to sell, or just selling at your shop. It's not huge numbers in the late game, but it's more efficient than selling directly.

Raw ores are also the offerings requiring by a few gods, so better to have a stack before you convert so you can max out their piety.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:21:46 2016 No.14922362 >>14922348 How important is getting pets with you early on, by the way? Am I going to be in a long, grindfest world of hurt if I don't get them early, or will splicing/dojos make switching to a different pet later more tolerable?

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:33:37 2016 No.14922408

>>14922362
It'll be a lot more manageable.
Sure, you can retrain your pets when you are at a higher level, but you will have to put adventuring on hold and take time out to train your pet. So from the beginning will at least keep them at your level.

I played a lot of the early game without pets though. Once you get more resources, it's a lot easier to start seriously training pets, while they may fall behind earlier on. Also you'll have good weapons and armor stockpiled later on, while early may not have enough good equipment to go around.

So don't worry too much. If you can't get your favorite pet until later on, then don't worry.

Good thing is that deity pets will always spawn at level 8, so you won't have to worry about INI. The problem here is that some pets will spawn relative to your own level, so if you want to use the projet or any of the Insane Book wish pets, try to get them as early as possible.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:34:38 2016 No.14922411
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>>14921928
>>14922055

It does look like an mp overflow problem. Pretty much if I do anything that brings me over some value in the 20+ million range(guessing 25 million but really could be anything) my mp gets reduced to one. I imagine HP will overflow if you reach similar amounts too.

High life and mana values are just one variable affecting the HP and MP calculations as levels and other attributes affect the calculation as well. Here's the MP formula:

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/MP

Anyhow, if the calculation puts you over some value in the 20 million range you'll run into the bug. Due to this, I've unequipped the tail to reduce my learning so I don't cause the overflow. Unfortunately, this is only a band aid until caps get raised because eventually my levels or other attribute gains through herbs will eventually trigger the overflow bug. So I'm kind of stuck advancing my character.

Most people won't have to worry about this bug as they won't reach these values for a very long time and hopefully it will be fixed by the time those players get here but for players like me I kinda have to put my Elona playing on hold.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:44:43 2016 No.14922445 >>14922411 Sorry I meant I unequipped the book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:56:05 2016 No.14922482 Any recommendations on a good ranged-attack pet? Want something I can use to intercept mobs so they won't interrupt me during harvest time quests/

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 17:02:55 2016 No.14922501

>>14922411
Uh... is the formula on the wiki correct? I'm failing to get your MP with it. Is your mana 2k with bonuses?

>>14922482
Gold bell early on. Kaneda bike too, and it functions as a great steed. Exile is the ranged pet I got the earliest.

Or just get more pets to cover your ass. Personally, I had 3 pets and a steed in north tyris.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 17:05:55 2016 No.14922511

I need help because I'm seriously fucking retarded. I can't get my bow to fire, I have the starter bow equipped and the arrows in the ammo slot and anytime i press F to shoot a targeted enemy the game says I need to equip a firing weapon. Do I have to ready my bow or something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 17:07:04 2016 No.14922516 >>14922511 Did you equip the bow in the shoot slot, or in your hands?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 17:09:46 2016 No.14922525 >>14922516 fuck thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 17:12:39 2016 No.14922532 File: 2.21 MB, 1600x1203, Kai.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14922501 Gear and feats have pushed a bit over the 2000.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 17:46:10 2016 No.14922661 >>14922408 > projet She's the exception; If you're leveling this thing you most likely need to go to like floor ~200+ of the void for any AP gains at all. That's at level one, probably.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 17:49:49 2016 No.14922676 >>14922532 Hmmmm I'm still not getting your MP. Did you get 13469380.38?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 17:49:52 2016 No.14922677 >>14922411 How is it that you can see the attribute potentials directly? Hashes too.. If I wanted an 'Objet of heart' would I need to wish for one by typing in 'Objet' or 'Object'?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 17:50:58 2016 No.14922685 >>14922677 Big sis Yacatect's glasses.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 18:39:16 2016 No.14922856

>>14922676
Yeah I'm not getting it either. I'm getting 13,911,747.03. This is the value with my Otogiri equipped. Makes me wonder where the rest of the MP(5,709,671.97 MP) is coming from. That is an enormous amount unaccounted for.

When you guys run the formula for your characters do you get the right MP amounts? Either my character is horribly bugged or the formula is wrong. Depending on what is found I may just back up the character and make a new character.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 18:43:36 2016 No.14922880 >>14922661 Or save it for the soul spindle trick.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 18:59:37 2016 No.14922965

Hey, it's been forever since I played Elona (Like, I quit around E+ 1.19 or so) and I remember being able to do some stupid shit like getting a cyber house before getting the small castle, loading up with magic vendors in the cyber house,and then reading the deed for the castle to keep the magic vendors and then have 1 of each vendor on top of it.

Is that still viable or has that been patched out? Also, I've noticed something called deed of palace, which I'm assuming is even better than the small castle, does that come with its own vendors as well?

I just wanna know the best way to get as many magic vendors as possible in my home along with a butler and maybe a black market salesman without wasting a ton of gold since I'm still in early-game with a new character.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 19:13:01 2016 No.14923039

>>14922856
According to the E+ wiki, the HP and MP formulae were altered and the effect of learning and will on MP was increased.

And I was in the process of looking around for the updated formula, but I found this:
>checking in with sophia for her quest from 14:50-14:59 makes her give you the spell power tear 100% of the time.
I-is this true?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 19:18:04 2016 No.14923063 >>14922965 You only get the extra servants now if you didn't have any to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 19:28:02 2016 No.14923100 Vindalian Jiu-jitsu any good?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 19:29:08 2016 No.14923115 >>14923063 Ok thank you!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 19:29:43 2016 No.14923121 >>14923039 I see, so the numbers can still be right. Back to waiting for the caps to be increased then. Ran the formula against my pets MP and the formula broke down thee too so I guess the formula I saw on the wiki isn't necessarily correct.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 19:30:45 2016 No.14923130 >>14923100 Don't know the full effects yet. It does boost squeeze from what people have found tout though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 19:43:37 2016 No.14923179 >>14923121 Found the new formula. Gimme a sec to check it.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:00:32 2016 No.14923265

>>14923121
MP = ((Magic * 2 + Will + Learning) * Level / 20 + Magic) * Mana / 100
HP = ((Constitution * 2 + Strength + Will) * Level / 20 + Constitution) * Life / 100 + 5

Which works out to 21902605.5375 if overflow didn't happen, and 19001208.825 with reduced learning.
19,001,202 is your MP, so I guess it fits.

My guess is that the overflow occurs at 21,474,836.

The weird thing is that for both of the formulae, the front part ((Magic * 2 + Will + Learning) * Level / 20 + Magic) is capped at 2 million. The problem is you were only halfway to the cap and it had already overflowed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:56:20 2016 No.14923548 >>14922501 >Gold bell early on What's the best way to capture one, anyway? Paralysis potions? Or did you buy a thousand scrolls of ally and pray?

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:57:50 2016 No.14923556

>>14923265
Thank you for looking into this for me. I guess I'll just sit back for now. Hope the caps are raised eventually or things get sorted out. I really want to get back to playing but knowing that my advancement will work against me demotivates me. Suddenly those god gifts that represent power suppressors(the ones that take away attributes) are making a whole lot of sense for me but Ano, I really thought those were joke items.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 21:00:08 2016 No.14923565 >>14923548 They have nothing that could be mistaken for resistance to status ailments. Throw a potion of sleep ->Shadow step-> Knockout. Rinse, repeat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 21:02:07 2016 No.14923574 >>14923556 My boy, it's the only way for you and your companions to reach the next stage of growth. You know what to do.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 21:17:18 2016 No.14923625

>>14923265
Assuming level caps at 6666 like for NPCs, and the three relevant attributes are at 2000, you can only have a value of 786 in life/mana before overflow occurs, without any item boosting the relevant attributes.
Life can always be reduced with Icolle/Gavela, and Mana is a non-issue really thanks to magic capacity. Having to confirm for each spell is going to get old quick, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 21:24:30 2016 No.14923645 >>14923625 Isn't there a setting in the .config that allows you to turn off the dialog box?

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 21:34:39 2016 No.14923687

>>14923556
If you're playing on custom, have you tried to see if playing on regular E+ will fix the overflow problem? It's probably not an issue with custom - but just in case.

After that, send that save and a bug report to Ano. You may want to post on his blog because Anna said non-jp IPs can't post on shitaraba. It's better than waiting around for someone else to report it. Or if you want me to try writing one for you, uh... I can get to it tomorrow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 21:58:01 2016 No.14923806 >>14922287 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1p3S16qPZFSdZdQoVF8hjsZf7ovS6H-cpjmSaH2qZn6I/edit?pli=1#gid=0 You could have 0 skills and all attributes to the max.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 22:09:08 2016 No.14923850 Does wearing a shield take a player or a pet from Two-hand to dual-wield with crazy bad accuracy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 22:39:50 2016 No.14923972 >>14923850 two hand skill gives bonus accuracy, if you use a shield you don't benefit from two hand skill anymore

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 23:32:49 2016 No.14924180 >>14923687 Tried it with just regular Elona+. Problem still persists. Don't really know enough Japanese to navigate Japanese websites or convey the bug so if anyone can bring it to Ano's attention eventually I'd be happy.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 09:58:08 2016 No.14926019

Is there any point in training up master/slave relationship as opposed to just using the whip to control their looting habits?

For that matter, how do you level it up? The wiki mentions interrupting them when they try to eat while eating is prohibited, but I don't know if it means bash, displace, or whipping them. (Neither seems to increase it for me, unless I'm doing something wrong)

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:06:15 2016 No.14926037 >>14926019 When they're eating dropped food, walk onto the square they're on. Kind of pointless, I guess if you were into the RP side you could go for it

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:11:07 2016 No.14926048 What's the best method for storing tons of items in the long run? Can you make multiple storage houses, or do they overwrite one another like houses do?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:18:40 2016 No.14926068 >>14926048 If it's for hoarding only junk and stuff so that you've got stock for your shop, Lesimas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:44:15 2016 No.14926266 So I just moved into southern tyris and am getting assfucked by everyone What's a good pet to get? I'm level42, seeing 70~ish dungeons spawn, only have lvl65 monster balls from the invested vendor

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:55:27 2016 No.14926291

>>14926266
Level some more, do some quests for plats, farm AP in the void, increase your speed with said AP.
Invest more in the monster ball vendor to get higher level balls. They go up to 200 at 200 invest if I'm not wrong. Or go level your domination spell.
I'll recommend sticking with your current pets, but increase their speed with AP.

test → test
【test】
test
test

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:03:21 2016 No.14926319 >>14926291 ur mum a test

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:04:05 2016 No.14926322

>>14926266
The danger level of spawned dungeons depends on your most difficult dungeon cleared (includes main story dungeon). If you don't want dungeons to get more and more difficult, then only clear the dungeons that are below a certain level. Opartos' statue will generate plenty of easy ones too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:07:59 2016 No.14926336 Hey Anna, how does the Exile's triplecast work with your AI and spell learning? Can I get my exile to triplecast other spells or is it limited to magic dart, nether arrow and dark eye?

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:16:09 2016 No.14926350

>>14926291
>sticking with your current pets
I only have a little girl, evolved into valk who successfully fought Zeome alongside me, and a little sister who was playing Recette her whole life. And some god pets I haven't touched(fairy, goose and exile)

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:20:34 2016 No.14926372 >>14926336 Limited to darts spell, all darts spells, if i remember correctly. Go make her learn chaos eye already, you know you want to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 13:17:20 2016 No.14926543 how do I teach spells to a pet? I can only teach magic dart. Does it need some level in the spell?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 13:22:15 2016 No.14926561 >>14926372 >>14926336 I'm pretty sure I read on Custom's wiki page or here that triplecast does not work if custom AI is enabled. Does it not already have arrow spells for you to test with?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 13:54:33 2016 No.14926664 >>14926561 Triplecast works with custom AI, doesn't work with Leold's AP moves iirc

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:06:51 2016 No.14926694

Is the Trap Disarming skill worth picking up? I'm only level 20 or so right now, and the threat posed by traps has been pretty... non-existent, even if you don't try to avoid stepping on them. Does this change later in the game, or is trap disarming remain a junk skill?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:16:59 2016 No.14926723 >>14926694 you'll pick up all the skills eventually, but its probably one of the most useless ones

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:46:43 2016 No.14926835 >>14926048 You can make multiple storage houses if you want. I found the dungeon deed to be pretty good for storing things myself.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:54:27 2016 No.14926884

>>14926543
Teach it casting and raise your holy shield skill to fifty. Once your pet's casting skill is around ~5 it should be able to learn Holy shield. Make sure it knows pickpocket for money to keep up it's skill potentials and soon enough the only thing preventing your pet from learning all the skills is your spell levels.

>>14926694
Teach it to a pet.
>>14926723
When you or your pets get blown to bits by a random trap your tune will change quickly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:32:54 2016 No.14927032 Does ether disease increase on its own once you first get it, or does it require exposure to ether gear/wind to progress further?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:33:26 2016 No.14927035 >>14926884 Is there a way to disarm a trap besides stepping on it and detecting it (in any order), then 's'earching?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:35:23 2016 No.14927043 I'm having a hard time finding monster balls for catching gene splicing material. Any tops on good sources for them, or is there just getting lucky at goods vendors?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:39:40 2016 No.14927055 >>14927043 Pot of Fusion. Your balls will scale to the level of the map in which they are generated. Lost Irva also has a dedicated ball merchant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:41:23 2016 No.14927062 >>14927055 >Lost Irva The dude is in South Tyris, in the big casino. No need to go as far as Irva. But the Pot recipe is probably the best bet early game.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:41:25 2016 No.14927064

Decided I really want the Crimson Plate since on my last 2 characters in this gene line have never once seen it drop despite 700+ play hours, so I decided to go to the bottom floor of the puppy cave since at difficulty 5 there isn't much mob variety yet, so I can see blades with some frequency.

I spent about an hour just running through floor 4 over and over just killing all the blades I see and ignoring most everything else, and all though I never got the Crimson Plate like I wanted, I managed to find 6 treasure maps just chilling on the ground throughout this whole process.

Did I just somehow trick Elona's desire sensor?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:43:56 2016 No.14927069 >>14927064 The rule of Elona seems to be that you will find everything except the specific thing you're looking for.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:58:42 2016 No.14927101 >>14927035 I oftentimes just find myself walking over trapped tiles and seeing in the log: 'The trap was disarmed'. Pets walking over tiles also triggers this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 16:00:31 2016 No.14927103 >>14927069 >>14927064 Not true. I accidentally used up my only insight lens and for about three days was unable to farm the void. I then went to the puppy cave to teach a new pet shadow step and lo and behold! On Floor 4! Insight lens!

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 16:15:14 2016 No.14927136

>>14927064
Don't bother killing them. The artifact is generated on when the mob spawns, not on a kill. Cycle between 4 and 5, casting Oracle each time. Watch your stamina - stairs can kill.

If you don't have any major problems (like a conscience) with save scumming, you can do some heavy-duty folder-replacing save scumming to endlessly reload a blade Panic! quest.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 16:24:50 2016 No.14927152

>>14927032
Ether has saturated the world so it's only a matter of time before you get corruption. So no matter what you do you'll eventually get corruption that you'll need to cure. There are however certain things that speed it up. Etherwind and gear made of ether like you've pointed out can speed it up. Also, "hugging" shining hedgehogs and possibly other ether related creatures, if they exist, is a bad idea as well.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 17:04:11 2016 No.14927270

>>14927136
I'm aware of this but the problem is my character is still in relatively early game with not as much casting skill as I'd like and hardly any stock of oracle as it's primarily melee. Which is why I've just been making sure to clear the floors of blades completely so I don't miss it if it did spawn.

I guess tho since I kind of lack a conscience I could just snack myself 50k stocks of oracle and have it at if I want it to go faster.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 17:28:05 2016 No.14927383 Do monsters with less-than-standard number of equipment slots (like armless or legless monsters) suffer the "complicated body" speed penalty if the obtain more slots, even if the total is still less than the standard humanoid number?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 17:43:33 2016 No.14927446 >>14927383 Nope.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 17:46:49 2016 No.14927465 >>14927064 Meh, Crimson Plate isn't even all that good

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 17:48:52 2016 No.14927472 >>14926694 Trap disarming seems useless at first, but make sure to build it up. It becomes rather useful when you start delving into high level Awakened Dungeons, where every other tile is a high level trap that will blow you up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 17:51:50 2016 No.14927485 >>14927136 >The artifact is generated on when the mob spawns, not on a kill Is it? I know this isn't true for all artifacts, i.e. you can produce an Unknown Shell by killing/reloading a single hermit crab repeatedly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 18:15:24 2016 No.14927565 >>14927485 It depends on the artifact. Ones that are worn (like the Red Plate and Party Time artifacts) are dropped only if the NPC is carrying it, meanwhile other ones, like the Unknown Shell, are just a drop rate that is in addition to other loot.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 18:23:07 2016 No.14927590

【バグ報告】
バージョン：1.55
最大MPが21,000,000ぐらいを超えると1になってしまいます。

【既出確認】
検索ワード：「オーバーフロー」、「MP上限」
検索スレ：elonaしたらば板
検索結果：MPについては無し
雑談61によれば、HP上限は生命力×20000 = 40,000,000だそうです。

【セーブデータ】 <File here>
【ＳＳ】 i.imgur.com/tAI2Uzs.png
【再現方法】《神を殺せる本》/<Buster Book>を装備してみるとバグが発生します。

【詳細】
レベル 4147 → 4147
マナ 2025 → 2025
魔力 1524 → 1524
意志 694 → 694
習得 776 → 1467

MP 19,001,202 → 1

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 18:34:38 2016 No.14927635

>>14924180
If you'd like to submit a bug report,
1. please remove things like custom's spell tracker from your save if you can/if it's not too much trouble (if you're using it)
2. upload your save somewhere, and put the url in >>14927590
3. remove the http:// part so that it won't keep nagging you about too many urls
4. post it here wanwanplus.blog.fc2.com/?no=38. This is his latest post about 1.55.
5. paste it in the largest text box, underneath the words 本文
6. if you'd like to be able to edit your comment later, put in a password in the smaller box underneath, labeled パスワード
7. check the box if you'd like only Ano to be able to see your comment and my broken japanese
8. click 送信
9. it'll bring up a confirmation page. There's a captcha but it's in japanese, so screenshot it and post it here
10. click 送信 again

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 18:41:25 2016 No.14927660 >>14927635 Oops, looks like I based the numbers off a different screenshot. Oh well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 18:57:22 2016 No.14927728 >>14927590 Make a red box around the LER attributes and the MP bars. HP too, probably for the future.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 19:57:36 2016 No.14927980 >>14927270 If you're gonna cheat for the spell why not just cheat for the armour?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 20:12:07 2016 No.14928053 File: 113 KB, 309x267, somuchblood.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >the innkeeper screams

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 20:16:21 2016 No.14928066 Is there any ways to get bell pets to stop flooding the event long with ring 1-2 times every turn? And on an unrelated note, I've heard passing mention about customizing a pet's combat AI. How does one do this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 20:19:24 2016 No.14928079 >>14928066 Tell them to shut up. Custom AI is part of Elona+ Custom, if you have it you can talk to your pets and configure their AI.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 20:27:35 2016 No.14928118 When using elona+ custom, do you run the elona.exe or elonaplus.exe?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 20:29:09 2016 No.14928123 >>14928118 elona.exe

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 20:31:27 2016 No.14928134 >>14928118 elona.exe

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 20:33:36 2016 No.14928139 Why do so many of the mikos under 'miko weapon' tags on the boorus use bows? For that matter why are there only eight pages for 'miko katana'?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 20:59:05 2016 No.14928254 Is elobridge up and running yet? I really miss seeing people die in the puppy cave. Also on an unrelated note, did styles get borked lately?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 21:18:31 2016 No.14928319 File: 1 KB, 48x96, 19846543547.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The magic circle in the pastebin's item.bmp is broken so i fixed it. Also include disguise kit in a new color.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 21:25:26 2016 No.14928348 File: 155 KB, 531x343, Screenshot 2016-03-02 00.16.03.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Clown cars are !fun!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 21:27:31 2016 No.14928363 >>14928319 Fixed, thank you. >>14921002 Forgot to announce that I added it to the pastebin already, whoops. Thank you for the hard work!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 21:38:45 2016 No.14928401 Arrrrgh, I want to like golems but that speed penalty early on is just horrible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 21:51:44 2016 No.14928439 >>14928348 Is that the phrase? Always thought it was monster house.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 21:56:25 2016 No.14928452 >>14928401 Is the dim immunity worth it ? Can't it be replaced by sound resistance ?

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 22:00:22 2016 No.14928467

>>14928439

Clown Cars are from a different game but the general concept of flooding a screen with monsters is about the same.

>>14928452
Sadly with proper Dimension move skills for those oh shit situations, Dim Resistance ain't that good on a race with extremely low mana reserves.

Honestly If I was the game designer, I would give Golems the PV bonus to match Fairies DV Bonus.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 22:12:27 2016 No.14928496 >>14928467 Why is dim immunity worse on a low mana race ? Can you even get immunity through resistance ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 22:14:03 2016 No.14928500 >>14928496 Golem's dim immunity is the only true immunity to dim in the game I believe. It's pretty much the selling point for the race.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 22:22:00 2016 No.14928525 Just tested Necromancy..not too shabby. I know that remodeling eyes adds control magic to Zombies but what do other parts do? I added a skin and got Refactory. What is that? Heal Eris?

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 23:41:19 2016 No.14928823
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>>14928363
Elona custom latest version is 1.55.2 pasta needs updating elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:17104

Pic is "Non-bobblehead Sprite Sheet" + base game sprites where there is missing sprites. Not sure if that counts as updated.
Its in png because 4chin

There is a no-background version for the 11 first portraits of the "Assorted Profile Picture Pack" that you can find here: vkyo.web.fc2.com/portrait.html (dl link on the right)

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 00:50:34 2016 No.14929023 >>14928823 Done. Also, took the liberties of adding each zip from the vkyo website to its respective section in the pastebin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 01:16:28 2016 No.14929124 The elona forum place seems to be down. Is there any other place I can read the story synopsis at?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 01:22:54 2016 No.14929150 >>14929124 Play custom and experience the story in its glorious glory in direct glorified translated glory.

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 02:43:07 2016 No.14929396

Sorry if I'm an idiot here, but I'm trying to get Elona+ Custom to work, but keep getting a crash/freeze upon starting the game (after the intro slideshow).

It's a fresh install of Elona+ and overwriting with custom's files. No additional mods installed.The elonaplus.exe works fine without any issues, but I can't get elona.exe (i.e., elona custom) to work at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 02:47:26 2016 No.14929411 >>14929396 If you are on Windows 10 make sure you are running as administrator AND also set your shortcut to Win 7 compatibility mode.

>>	Chippy !Faggot1P9A Wed Mar 16 02:49:21 2016 No.14929419 >>14920462 THERE ARE FOUR EMBEDS

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 02:52:58 2016 No.14929435 >>14929411 Fixed it. Thank you, wise one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 03:25:01 2016 No.14929533 What does the # beside some skills denote? Accelerated learning or something

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 04:04:11 2016 No.14929586 >>14929533 Bonus from gear. I believe they count as extra skill levels. >>14929419 I've never seen you before. Did you just put on this tripcode today or are you a regular from a different general/board?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 04:21:00 2016 No.14929612 >>14929586 depends, are you FBI or NSA ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 04:27:26 2016 No.14929627 >>14929612 CIA

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 05:48:03 2016 No.14929840 >>14924180 Shit. I messed up. Bug reports don't go in the link I posted here: >>14927635 They go here: http://wanwanplus.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-5.html#cm

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 06:12:23 2016 No.14929906 The Elona Custom description says there's a way to end harvest time quests early once you've collected the allotted weight in food. Walking off the map seems to just trigger a "failed mission" outcome... so how do I successfully end it early?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 06:21:21 2016 No.14929935 >>14929906 Do you have this line at the end of your config file (after auto fix line) ? tweaks_gameplay. "1" Make sure you start the game with the correct exe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 06:22:06 2016 No.14929943 >>14929906 Shift + S, enable tweaks. Save.

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 06:40:45 2016 No.14930008
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I can not kill either of the Machine bosses, Fort of Chaos (Machine) and Machinery Fort.

They both seem to take almost no damage from me or my pets, and then burst me for shitloads of damage

I was able to take out the Beast fort and the Magic fort, along with the other two Elona+ quest dungeons without much of a problem, but this seems like a huge spike in difficulty.

Where am I going wrong?

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 06:47:07 2016 No.14930027

>>14930008
Is this the south Tyris one? We're nearly the same level but you're quite a bit more powerful than I was at that level. I haven't tested either bosses yet but I believe both are Machinegods with stats in the mid-high 400s with some capping at 600, so...

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 07:01:18 2016 No.14930052 >>14930008 ...did you eat a little sister?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 07:05:45 2016 No.14930062 File: 222 KB, 350x495, 1457980917322.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tell me about your little girl. Is she fighting alongside you? Is she managing your home waiting for you to come back and take a rest?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 07:06:33 2016 No.14930064 >>14930052 Three of them

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 07:07:39 2016 No.14930065 RIP Golden Stardust.

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 07:11:44 2016 No.14930075 [DELETED]

>>14930065
>>14930008
Farm AP and get that tactics skill to at least ~200. Also add to speed and start using the Rankis.

>>14930062
She carries me. Of course, I decide where we go and our squad's over-all long-term goals but if she can't survive the dungeon, the rest of the squad has no chance; She is, heads and shoulders, the most powerful member of our team.

>>14930008
>>14930065
Farm AP and raise your tactics skill to ~150-200. Then pump speed.

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 07:12:00 2016 No.14930076

>>14930064
Is the general consensus that this is not a super great use of little girls as the spawn rate is lowered with each kill?

>>14930062
A Valkyrie currently, might bench her though.
Sort of want to bench my Exile and Defender too.
Hell I sort of want to restart as a Golem Wizard.

If I make a gene what happens exactly? Is it just some items you keep?
Soul spindle lets you transfer a pet over or something but their INI is kept as what they currently are so in the long run they're harder to retrain?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 07:13:16 2016 No.14930078 >>14930076 little sisters*

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 07:15:03 2016 No.14930082

>>14930076
It is a really bad idea to kill little sisters. You need them for Kumiromi statues which grant shittons of herb seeds.

When you make a gene the new characters starts out with all the items that aren't precious or specifically unallowed that are in your inventory. Not your pet's, not your vendor's, just yours.

It also receives some platinum and a fraction of your currently possessed gold. Everything else is reset.

>>14930065
>>14930008
Farm AP and get that tactics skill to at least ~200. Also add to speed and start using the Rankis.

>>14930062
She carries me. Of course, I decide where we go and our squad's over-all long-term goals but if she can't survive the dungeon, the rest of the squad has no chance; She is, heads and shoulders, the most powerful member of our team.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 07:17:54 2016 No.14930087 >meteor begin to have 10+% cast chance >it oneshots me Right, fire resist, forgot.

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 07:21:24 2016 No.14930093

>>14930075
I gave the Rankis to my little girl, since I found the Ruitit Katana or whatever.

>>14930076
This was after I turned in like, 10 of them. I'm pretty sure you stop getting rewards after 10. Also, I got more big daddys already spawned and waiting to be killed in some dungeons.

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 07:23:47 2016 No.14930095

>>14930093
Might want to add my main issue seems to be accuracy, I'm at about 136% with a shield or with Lucky Dagger in the offhand, prefer using the shield.

Any way to raise this significantly? I know gloves help, but I am using Gloves of Vesda, plus I'm not sure how much hit bonus would help me out. I seem to rarely hit any South Tyris mobs in general, and when I do it is for a fair amount of damage. Squeezing gives me some good damage output thou.

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 07:32:48 2016 No.14930326

>>14930093
>This was after I turned in like, 10 of them. I'm pretty sure you stop getting rewards after 10
No that's uhh... not right.
I think it's that the amount of sisters it takes to get a reward increases by 1 per reward you take capping at 10.
You miiiiiight have slightly fucked yourself a little bit there.

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 07:45:40 2016 No.14930349

>>14930326
I kinda wish there were some way of lowering the little sisters killed count. There was an anon a thread or two ago who posted that sister killing herself with sulfuric acid (I think), and then there are people who didn't know about the spawn reducing stuff.

Even if it came at a cost of reducing the player's life/mana stats, it'd still be worth it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 08:06:58 2016 No.14930401 Is it possible to get duplicate god pets?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 08:22:02 2016 No.14930433 >>14930401 If you put them in the ranch they may breed a version of themself

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 08:27:29 2016 No.14930445 >>14930433 So you're telling me I could potentially get a male exile? Well fucking sign me up.

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 10:00:13 2016 No.14930757

>>14930095
Enhance your weapon. Raise your Tactics and dual-wield skill levels.

Go farm AP. It's the only way you're going to get strong enough to fight him. Save up ~80 small medals and buy the void ticket from Garok.

>>14930445
You best get comfortable, friend-o. You'll be sitting there, waiting, for a decent while.

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 10:27:24 2016 No.14930847
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>>14930401
I don't know the spawn rate for other god pets, but its possible create a whole army of 'em.

I guess due to the penalties only one seems to spawn at a time, so you'll have to keep taking the newborns out of the ranch and bench them at either the discarded ranch or dojo.

Once you have all the ones you need at either dojo or the D.ranch you can pack your party full of them, just don't pray for any additional pets with them in tow.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 10:33:03 2016 No.14930868 >>14930847 I'm not someone that could reasonably be called a good cropper but wow. Your picture is really uncomfortable to look at. What are your stat numbers and what is your E+C version?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 10:36:07 2016 No.14930885 >>14930847 I'm too lazy to feed fairies so I'd rather wait for the occasional statue

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 10:38:24 2016 No.14930896 >>14930349 Just elosnack the count and the statd gained out

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 10:39:31 2016 No.14930902 >>14930896 Without cheating, I mean.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 10:44:39 2016 No.14930928 >>14930062 She's so strong that I stopped using the rest of my team, since all they ever did was get killed and block her.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 12:10:39 2016 No.14931261 File: 705 KB, 1024x768, F-Fine, but I'm not showing them for you or anything.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14930868 Sorry it made you uncomfortable... Too lazy to upgrade to 1.55.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 13:05:34 2016 No.14931432 >>14931261 Thank you. You're incredibly powerful, actually. How old is your character?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 13:25:50 2016 No.14931503 >>14931432 In actuality shes probably in her mid-30s, but right now Sakuya is 23.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 13:43:08 2016 No.14931574 >>14931503 I meant in terms of hours but how old was she when your PC was generated?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 13:47:13 2016 No.14931586 >>14931261 Not him but I use FastStone Capture to take easy screenshots of windows since it autocrops. Very useful even outside of Elona.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 14:17:04 2016 No.14931703 >>14931574 Sorry misunderstood. Been playing her for 1825 hours and generated her at age 17. >>14931586 I'll have to check that out, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 14:22:47 2016 No.14931728 >>14931703 76 days...Hardcore. Is she your first character or do you make genes every now and then? How is she built?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 15:24:13 2016 No.14931966 Can someone explain the purpose/rewards/penalties of the sleep sharing events?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 15:28:53 2016 No.14931983 File: 40 KB, 846x180, town child.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14931966 Fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 15:30:43 2016 No.14931990 >>14931983 So besides the relation penalty from forced sleep sharing, no effects whatsoever?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 15:34:54 2016 No.14932009 >>14931990 Sometimes you can obtain useless bodily fluids, but that's about it.

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 15:55:20 2016 No.14932062
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>>14931728
Nope, before I had a yerles warrior who soon became a permanent resident of karma hell.

Never used a gene file, not even married yet.

Sakuya's a Jure warrior mainly focused on melee using swords, a little bit of ranged on the side with guns and just a pinch of magic (like buffing and debuffing). Preferred weapons are claymores and machine guns (finally got my first living M.gun). Damage isn't all that great, and is still too squishy to fight inner gods, which I can chalk up to becoming too lazy from just sitting back eating herbs and relying too heavily on pets the entire time.

Yeah, I tend to go about things at my own pace which is reeeeally slow. Always been that way with rpgs, just taking in the atmosphere most the time, never in any rush.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 15:56:40 2016 No.14932068 >>14932062 >are you a lolicon Nice flavortext you got there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 16:01:01 2016 No.14932083 >>14932062 I thought Sakuya was a Youkai or whatever the Gensokyans are. Also how much re-rolling did you have to do to get Perfect & Elegant Maid? Holy shit.

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 16:10:45 2016 No.14932102
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>>14931966
It increases relationship level

So if your pets keep dying and their relationship goes down, give them a few hot dickings and they'll be back to *Love*. You have to reach the "limit" with them though, or at least have them reach it.

Protip:
Gently Stroke
Gently Hug
Whisper
Behave like a spoiled child
Behave like a spoiled child
Whisper
Gently Hug
Gently Stroke
Gently Hug
Gently Hug

Will get both you and your partner to 115% every time

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 16:11:19 2016 No.14932106 >>14932068 That was way back when my little girl was still actually a little girl (though she ironically generated at 18), and travailing with one made me feel like a weirdo. But I think Sakuya may actually be a lolicon though... not sure.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 16:15:30 2016 No.14932119 >wish for a happy bed >literally the next cupid drops one >never seen another one drop for 300 hours fuck you noa

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 16:22:23 2016 No.14932134 >>14932083 There's no way you could roll that so of course I had to snack it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 16:35:47 2016 No.14932174 >>14930757 I've been at +6, how high should I enchant it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 17:08:24 2016 No.14932254 >>14932174 BIGGER NUMBERS

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 17:15:21 2016 No.14932278 >>14932174 The max is +10. Really expensive in the beginning, but you can get discounts after joining the fighters guild.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 17:21:51 2016 No.14932302 >>14932119 literally minutes after i wrote this, i harvested a rod of wishing from my farm

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 17:37:39 2016 No.14932367

Are there any skills that naturally tend to gain potential relatively slowly compared to XP and you should spend most of your SP in?

I was thinking of Travel for the bleed-off effect in giving extra XP to other skills. Not sure what else. Maybe cooking (booting potential gain from food). Gardening for food (and in turn, again, potential).

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 17:47:44 2016 No.14932427 >>14932102 Doesn't "behave like a spoiled child" have random effects?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 17:56:43 2016 No.14932465 >>14932427 I don't think so, the one underneath it does though Something like "Various Things"

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 18:34:21 2016 No.14932588
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>>14932174
Level up your dual-wield skill. I think Hero also boosts accuracy.

In my case:
All the undeads and dolls that aren't the mummy are mine. I can't yet find any pieces with enough value to make a Dead Eyes Blood Dragon. What should I go for to balance out my horde? Liches? Cats? More dolls?

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 18:36:54 2016 No.14932595

I installed some new PCC things from earlier in the thread, now my character looks like crap.

Interacting with myself doesn't have change appearance like it did in vanilla elona, how do I change how my character looks?

>>14932588
Wait, Dual Wield affects Sword and Shield?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 18:37:15 2016 No.14932596 >>14930062 She's managing my ranch. The discarded one. But she's not discarded because she's the manager. Every now and again I stop by to take a piece of equipment off her and give it to someone else.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 18:39:30 2016 No.14932598 >>14932595 I think so. 'C' > 'P'

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 19:49:57 2016 No.14932898 File: 470 KB, 1024x767, Together till the end.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14930062 >Is she fighting alongside you? Always and forever.

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 20:47:45 2016 No.14933148

>>14932595
What issue exactly with the PCCs?

The Elona recommended mod list's PCC pack adds a larger (uses the entire tile, and thus has more detail) character sprite. Your issue may that you may be attempting to use the old/smaller PCC gear on a newer PCC body, or vice versa.

Also, under the "body" selection menu, there are a bunch of pre-fabbed bodies. These aren't dynamic like normal bodies but are total overwrites of appearance, so will ignore changes to your outfit, eyes, features, etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 21:34:49 2016 No.14933309 I recall back when I played vanilla Elona way back in the day, you could de-curse your various usable items with uncurse scrolls. Is holy water the only way now, is there still a way to use scrolls/spells?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 21:43:20 2016 No.14933347 >>14933309 Scrolls of uncurse still exist. Holy water just blesses your items.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 22:17:48 2016 No.14933466 >>14933309 You can also talk to the priests at churches for uncurses. Or use the spell.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 22:20:57 2016 No.14933476 >>14933309 Blessed scroll uncurses your entire inventory.

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 22:21:20 2016 No.14933479

>>14932367
Potential is relatively easy to raise nowadays because platinum got a boost. The problem is some skills aren't easy to grind even at 400 potential, like traveling, cooking, and swimming, so in my opinion those are good candidates for skill points.

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 22:40:25 2016 No.14933522
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>>14933148
I like the Overwrite bodies, and disable armor. Idealy, I want my character to be similar to how my pets look, the PCCs I downloaded were for the most part to big, but I found a sprite that was the perfect size and design.

If anyone has a Maid styled one in similar art style and size, throw it my way, giant breasts not required but an oppai maid would be pretty qt, breaking vases on accident turning around to greet master

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 22:43:35 2016 No.14933528 >>14933522 Glad you enjoyed that pack I put together. It's my way of saying sorry/thanks for flooding that threads with newbie questions the last 2-3 days. Also, I didn't realize you could disable armour. Where's that option located?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 22:44:25 2016 No.14933532 >>14933528 Any dresser, there is one next to the Kings Bed in Palmia

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 22:47:08 2016 No.14933538 File: 246 KB, 1280x768, Oni maid.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14933528 Also, here is an example of the Maid from the pack, as you can see compared to the overwrite body, it is just much to big! I look like a giant!

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 22:52:03 2016 No.14933548

>>14933538
Yeah, unfortunately, I couldn't find a whole lot in the way of maids in the japanese Elona database. Surprising, since I expected it to be one of the most popular type of sprites.
One or two stand-alone static sprites, and a 7-pack of those blue-haired maids (static sprites again, not PCC).

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:03:19 2016 No.14933578 File: 140 KB, 504x155, GK.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Got my first ever god pet in Elona. I got a really nice hammer for her but it's a heavy weapon at 12s so I'm worried about the hit% penalty from giving her a shield, too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:04:00 2016 No.14933582 If I want to start working on a new pet in the midgame, is it fine to gene engineer to level 100 or so before I take it for some leisurely adventuring? Or is gene engineering going to negatively affect its overall development?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:05:19 2016 No.14933589 File: 210 KB, 800x975, 31740844_p12.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14933578 You could always just let her two-hand it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:05:50 2016 No.14933592 >>14933578 There's no hit penalty from shield. You don't get the two hands bonus is all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:07:40 2016 No.14933598 I do so love the ability to take guild abilities on any character on creation now, Always sucked doing those damn suicide runs to the Thieves guild trainer. Also starting with Greater Evasion on a fairy is just bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:12:25 2016 No.14933613 >>14933589 I think Golden Knight does best with a Holy Rance or with a good artifact 1h and a shield.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:13:57 2016 No.14933616 >>14933613 I prefer giving god pets the weapons their gods throw at me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:14:29 2016 No.14933620 >>14933578 I typically just throw the god weapon from the same god at her. It's Pretty sweg.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:18:30 2016 No.14933627 I wonder, is the benefit of AP Gain enough to give snails a chance in the late game?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:25:23 2016 No.14933649 File: 1 KB, 48x48, 45883154_p0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I found this for anyone who wants to make an ebola based cnpc, also, where do I put custom user sprites for the overworld, and where do I put face sprites?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:30:52 2016 No.14933666 >>14933592 you're right, the guide I had was wrong. I guess I'll let her go shieldless, losing out on the two-hand multiplier is too crippling

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:33:47 2016 No.14933676 >>14933666 If you give her proper gear then shield is totally the way to go later on. Early on however two hand solves the problem of killing her enemies before they kill her more effectively than the percentile based shield bonus.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:40:57 2016 No.14933692 >>14933479 My potentials are always terrible once i reach 40-50 in skills, how do you get that much plat ?

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:45:06 2016 No.14933702

>>14933692

First, It helps to have Yacatects Jewstone of wealth which gives ten plat every month that you remember to use it.

Second is to regularly farm platinum, Either by running dungeons, hunting for treasure maps and doing chores.

Third is to regularly sleep in the highest quality beds,

Fourth is to whore scrolls of growth. You did remember to invest in magick shops right?

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:56:42 2016 No.14933744
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>>14933522
Is that what you are looking for ?

>>14933702
I do all that but most potentials are still under 100%.
On my previous char i had 5 magic shop at 150 and i've never seen a scroll of growth.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:59:37 2016 No.14933750 >>14933744 This might be perfect, lemme save it. >>14933649 Bumping my question, for custom NPC sprites via Shape Change, how do I name them in the user folder?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:02:22 2016 No.14933758 >>14933750 pic_2.bmp

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:03:09 2016 No.14933760

>>14933702
Yacatect's thinger only gives 10 plat per month. This is zilch when you can get 2-10 per town board quest, each of which are 1 minute of work. Dungeons and treasure maps are also pretty inefficent (although maps still give great items+medals and dungeons give heaps of gold). Scrolls of growth are definitely where it's at late game, it's just a matter of finding those little bastards.

>>14933692
The idea early on is you go from town to town doing quests - that was the whole point of Ano's buff to platinum training somewhere around version 1.45. The problem is, you can't keep all your skills at their highest potential without a bunch of blessed scrolls of growth. This is why you have to decide how to specialize - what armor class, what weapon type, and magic or ranged or melee.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:08:19 2016 No.14933782 >>14933692 Don't try to keep all skill at awesome levels. I aim for 50% in all skills, and then focus on tactics/dual wield. Odds are, potential dreams alone will keep your skills above 50% anyway.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:16:00 2016 No.14933798

>>14933750
>for custom NPC sprites via Shape Change, how do I name them in the user folder?

Replacing NPC sprites is just "chara_123.bmp", where the number if the NPC sprite number

Replacing custom pet sprites (shape change) is "pic_1.bmp" through pic_16.bmp". 17 or higher is for "tall" two-tile sprites.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:18:45 2016 No.14933806 >>14933627 Easily more than enough. Just baby them early on, and they'll quickly grow faster than any other pet you might get.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:20:52 2016 No.14933813

>>14933692
Get lots of fame. The more fame you have, the more plat you can get from quests (other than party time). Eventually though, you'll have to rely on skill points and scrolls of growth, no amount of reasonable questing will keep your potentials up.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 00:26:58 2016 No.14933835
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>>14933744
>>14933758
>>14933798

Thank you, I love the new PCC, fits perfect, and the new user sprites for my fairy and new pro-jet (The blue haired one) look nice. Time to gene engineer that pro-jet!

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 01:36:56 2016 No.14933974
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>>14927590
>>14927635
>>14929840

Thanks for the help anon(s). Managed to post the bug. Got through the captcha fine. Captcha presented Japanese words for numbers so all I had to do was enter the numeric digits into the box.

>>14928496
>>14928500
I play as a Eulderna and I seem to have gotten the golem's dim immunity through very high sound resist. Dim immunity is a bit misleading though because both me and another anon with a high level golem seem to still be able to get dimmed through creatures that cause insanity. Outside of that my Eulderna and the Golem don't get dimmed it seems.

>>14930062
My little girl, now Valkyrie, has been the most faithful and devoted pet in the group and after she helped me defeat the gods she has decided to open up her own school. She intends to instruct the gods on the proper way to responsibly manage the world. Aside from that, she also holds classes on adventuring to better educate my pets and other adventurers on how to survive out there. She's enjoying her short break from adventuring. Not really happy about how dysfunctional class 1-9G is but she manages it with the help of class president Jure.

>>14930008
Attributes are pretty good so keep up the good work there. You need to gain more levels though for the HP and MP. Also, you haven't really taken advantage of AP yet it seems. You should start farming AP to raise your speed. In general you just need to grind more. Not sure how you're doing your damage but you'll also need to grind out the relevant things associated with boosting it. Find a decently leveled dungeon and grind out the AP or go to the void. For dungeons, just raise the dungeon level enough to where you get a steady supply of AP but not to the point where things get too hard. Find a good balance.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 03:09:33 2016 No.14934213

>>14933835

Hm, the Pro-Jet seems to die a lot for a melee pet, I gave her a hand and the Gaia Hammer, but any 30+ mob seems to kill her in one or two shots, similar to the bell.

Any way to make her more durable? I'd like to keep her as a melee pet if possible.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 03:15:44 2016 No.14934233 >>14934213 Rubinum equipment is a must-have for 1life pets. Even 90% damage reduction don't mean a lot with mobs can kill it ten time over in one shot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 03:18:37 2016 No.14934243 >>14934233 So just load her up with life equipment? I wish I could give her multiple bodies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 03:33:06 2016 No.14934269 >>14933974 wow outside of rp value that makes golem worthless, might as well play elea for the mana reaction thing

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 03:45:43 2016 No.14934277 >>14934233 >>14934243 Hm, would Diablo loaded with Life / Constitution enchants from living weapon be a good idea?

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 04:33:22 2016 No.14934335
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>>14934277
Ruby equipment and a living weapon should help a bit. Eventually you'll want to load it up with hero cheese too. Level, Life stat, Constitution, Strength, and I think Will all play a role in total HP. Another tip I could give you is to seriously look into the AP trait barrier which uses MP to take some of your hits. While bell's and pro-jet's initial life stat leaves much to be desired, their mana stat is normal so they'll have a good amount of MP to work with. Since Pro-Jet is a melee pet and you probably won't be having her cast spells, it would be wise to use her MP bar as an additional life bar so to speak.

Pro-Jet is a pet you have to invest heavily into and be patient with to have it really shine. You probably won't be able to appreciate the damage resist until much later but it's awesome if you can stick with it for the long run. Glad I saved a picture of my pro-jet(Akeno) when I first got her so I can compare her to what she is now. 1 HP compared to her now 14k+ of life. Mainly due to attributes, level, and life stat.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 04:34:49 2016 No.14934336 >>14934335 Err 140k+ HP

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 04:57:09 2016 No.14934375 >>14934335 Will she naturally use Barrier after it is learned, or will I have to muddle with the custom NPC menu? The custom NPC menu is new to me, I have no idea how it works. I've been trying to teach my little girl Swarm with it for awhile now.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 05:00:57 2016 No.14934383

>>14934375
Barrier is passive, so it's always "on" unless you have it refunded.
It costs a whopping 2000 AP though, and AP is very difficult for the pro-jet to get thanks to its high starting speed. It's an amazing feat for Metal-race pets though, since they effectively get a "normal" health bar on top of their 90% damage reduction.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 05:04:55 2016 No.14934391

>>14934383
I see, any tips on how to farm AP with her then? Currently she is level 24, since my gene engineering is only at like, level 65, and I am only level 47. Can't find anything higher to gene engineer her with other then Lesser Succubus at the Slave Master (which are 24-25)

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 05:32:41 2016 No.14934429

>>14934391
There isn't really any trick to farming AP. Just have her fight stronger and stronger monsters. Unfortunately, due to Pro-Jets high INI score you're going to have to find enemies that are really strong to farm AP. Maybe too strong depending on where you're at in the game and how powerful you are. Pro-Jet is a good pet but it's not an easy to pet to raise. Since you're only lv 47 you may want to shelve her until you're stronger if you care about farming AP for her. If you're willing to put off AP farming, you can just focus on getting ruby gear and a living weapon for her and wait until you're strong enough yourself to survive the things she'll need to fight to start farming AP.

As for gene engineering, sooner or later you're going to need to start gene engineering the creatures you find in dungeons to level beyond what is normally found with the slave master.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 05:44:47 2016 No.14934446
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>>14934429
So would I need Dominate for that, or is it possible to make / find higher level monster balls reliably?

The pot of fusion recipe doesn't seem to make to high monster balls, unless DL influences it?

pic for hilarity

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 05:49:52 2016 No.14934455 >>14934446 Yes, dominate is ideal but if you have access to South Tyris there is an NPC called Lend the taker that sells monster balls. If you invest heavily into his shop it's not uncommon to see lv 200 monster balls.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 06:07:20 2016 No.14934474

>>14934455
Thanks for the info! I'll start investing into him. I just got 3 evolution hearts after some heavy gold grinding, and help of the statue from the maid mansion.

Now I got me a Valkyrie, The evolved Kentaur, and my double evolved Young Lady

I got another heart as well, is the Littler Girl > Witch any good? Or should I use something like a Nymph for Platinum Song instead?

Also, how should I bless my meat if I want my male Kentaur to become a female, then become a futanari female? (Would be male), obviously I will need to make two of em, but I'm not sure how they need to be cursed or blessed or etc.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 07:15:43 2016 No.14934583 >>14934474 http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Forbidden_meat

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 14:24:36 2016 No.14935535 >>14932588 Could I get a bump on this question please? I've mostly just been making Dragon Zombies but Fire users are a menace. How can I buff their resistance?

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 14:50:51 2016 No.14935606

>>14935535
Are you playing with Elona Custom?

I ask because it's sort of game-breaking/overpowered in the sense pets can be retooled for almost any role or niche by means of teaching them spells and modifying AI, so the actual type of mob you use is far less important when playing custom.

Short of engineering more slots and giving them more fire-retardant gear, I'd also look into teaching some of your support casters some buffing and healing spells. Maybe even teach the dragons themselves from elemental resist spells.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 14:56:38 2016 No.14935625

This is a bit of a newbie question, but it's something I've always been curious about: How does time relate to speed and turns in Elona? Like, is there a formula for converting how many "turns" are in a day for someone given they have X speed?

And on average, how many turns are there in a day? Hundreds? Thousands? Tens of thousands?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 15:22:25 2016 No.14935739 >>14935606 You can teach zombies skills? I remember you can't give them gear though because they don't have inventories. Holy shit this is a fucking game-changer.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 15:25:08 2016 No.14935746

>>14935739
Elona Custom added the ability to teach spells that you know (need the spells at a certain level) to pets. Assuming the zombie dragons are pets, yes, you can teach them. You may have to modify the game AI so they'll try and use spells they know.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 15:28:12 2016 No.14935760 File: 354 KB, 584x393, I know, my pretty. I've been many times..png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14935746 They aren't my pets. They're my Zombies. I'm learning Necromancy. I so wish you could teach Zombies skills...

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 15:41:16 2016 No.14935802 I just bought a Book of Wishing. How much literacy do I need to read it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 15:50:40 2016 No.14935820 >>14935802 1250 1032 if blessed http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spellbooks

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 15:57:32 2016 No.14935833 >>14935820 It is blessed thankfully, but holy balls Does Reading Party help lower this anymore?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 16:00:52 2016 No.14935839 >>14935833 Yes of course.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 16:10:58 2016 No.14935864

>>14935760
It's not on any of the wikis, but try adding a skin? It says refractory. When you get a blood dragon or 10, I reaaally would not recommend using a skin - they can only get 1 necro remodel at a time, and eyes is the way to go. Their power breath 1 shots me sometimes even with control magic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 16:13:06 2016 No.14935868 >>14935839 I can't find Reading Party on the wiki, how much does it lower the literacy needed by?

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 16:18:19 2016 No.14935885

Just finished joining fighters>thieves>mages guild and buying every skill. I hardly ever get within melee range so I've been going gunner/mage. Is it a good idea to be trading with adventurers for miracle gear and converting it to rubynus? I traded for a named coat that was 20,32 and changed it to rubynus (blessed change material) and it turned into 55,33 (sticking to medium armor)

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 16:21:03 2016 No.14935894

>>14935885
You don't need to join them to get the skill, just teleport the top guy away and then use Incognito, the thieves guild has ones you can use on the ground and lets you buy more, you just need to avoid the guild master (just keep teleporting him)

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 16:23:07 2016 No.14935902

>>14935868
>Adds up to a 1/5 of your Party members in view's Literacy skills to your for calculating spell book failures and completely negates any side effects.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Special_action_%28Elona%2B%29
So if you had 500 literacy, you'd need about 5 pets with 500 literacy each as well, I guess?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 16:34:45 2016 No.14935937 >>14935864 What does refractory do? Also what is the best way of training tactics? I want to get in on the shining wave meme.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 16:36:15 2016 No.14935941 >>14935894 >>14935885 What skill are you looking for?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 16:41:51 2016 No.14935960 >>14935885 I don't see why it's a bad idea. Keep doing what you're doing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 16:44:08 2016 No.14935969 Anyone know if there's any way of increasing allocated memory to the elona.exe process, or something? (trying to prevent lack-of-memory crashes without culling custom image count)

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 16:45:47 2016 No.14935972 >>14935937 >literally just got shining wave >test it out on Frisa >it kills her in 6 hits with 100% hit rate Holy shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 16:48:13 2016 No.14935984 >>14935972 I heard that it is to Melees as Magic dart is to magic users. Crippling when they rely on it too much but extremely rewarding in the short-term.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 16:52:15 2016 No.14935995 >>14935969 This is probably a question for Anna. Ask her here because I don't think she checks her message wall too often: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:17104

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 16:57:22 2016 No.14936017

>>14935885
Unless it's got really good enchants on it or if it's a direct upgrade to what you or your pets are wearing, I wouldn't bother with that. Godly gear is a lot better than miracle for artifact fusion too, so miracle is kinda meh. If it's got great elemental resists that would complement your set, sure, but elona+ has a lot of precious artifacts that have great resists.

>>14935937
I don't know, I haven't tried it yet. But '火克' sounds like it might be fire resistance. Do check it with an insight lens. Save before using it and then reload if you want to save on the lens.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 17:03:38 2016 No.14936037 >>14936017 Give me a minute to finish up my void dive and I'll go test it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 17:09:54 2016 No.14936052 >>14936037 >>14936017 It boosts fire res from from 'weak' to 'no resist'. I also saw a slight skill increase but I believe it to be due to the extra skill levels from the necro-remodeling.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 17:13:43 2016 No.14936059 [DELETED]

>>14936037 (You)
>>14936017
It boosts fire res from from 'weak' to 'no resist'.

I also saw a slight skill increase but I believe it to be due to the extra skill levels from the necro-remodeling.

It boosts all resists barring magic to Superb from Strong. Weak from fire changes to Normal, however.

Refactory is at least on par with control magic in terms usefulness, however, it's my belief that if a creature with strong res would be killed by a creature's breath attack that Superb resistance would not change that. Might be wrong though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 17:21:15 2016 No.14936076 >>14934383 >>14934391 I'd recommend just sticking with the Android You get the 75% damage reduction with an easily manageable INI and normal body slots. You can work on a high speed as you level up.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 17:24:27 2016 No.14936087
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>>14936037 (You) (You)
>>14936017

Testing with a level ~90 Dragon Zombie.

Conclusion: -Control is the best suffix for these types but think twice before giving it to liches and dolls. You might come to appreciate the tankiness.

It boosts fire res from from 'weak' to 'no resist'.

I also saw a slight skill increase but I believe it to be due to the extra skill levels from the necro-remodeling.

It boosts all resists barring magic to Superb from Strong. Weak from fire changes to Normal, however.

Refactory is at least on par with control magic in terms usefulness, however, it's my belief that if a creature with strong res would be killed by a creature's breath attack that Superb resistance would not change that. Might be wrong though.

Hearts cause Zombies to gain the -Tough suffix and with it they gain a large boost to con. Dragons of level ~90 gain go from 5201 HP to 6202. Their resistances also jump to superb, this time however, they don't gain fire resistance but do gain 'little' in Magic.

Something to think about.

Blood:

-Drench Suffix, results:

Slight stat boost like all the other -suffixes I tested. Don't know if this applies to -Control. They also gain +resistance to Magic in the form of 'Little' . No bonus fire resistance. They gain the Swimming skill at level 67.

Not too bad.

Sorry for the deletions. I had to make edits.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 17:43:09 2016 No.14936150

>>14936087
Bones cause the -Agressive suffix which grants the bonuses:

++All resistances not fire (Strong > Superb, Normal > Little)

Tactics gains a little over 40 levels.

Eyes cause the -Control suffix, bonuses:

++ All resistances not fire ( Strong > Superb,
Normal > Little)

Level 79 Control magic skill for a level 90 Zombie Dragon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 17:43:12 2016 No.14936152 >>14936076 Powergamers can also soul spindle the pro-jet for gene characters. That starts it out at a mere 50 speed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 17:53:04 2016 No.14936184 >>14936152 For what purpose? I thought the whole appeal of the damn thing was it's crazy high speed. If you're going to reduce it to 50 and pump it with speed uppers why not go for snails or putits?

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 17:58:54 2016 No.14936205

>>14936184
Not that anon but I think he/she is referring to lowering its INI due to the reduction of attributes. Should make getting AP easier then. Think Pro-Jet is actually liked for its 90% damage resistance that you can take advantage of later, default melee AI, and the fact that it already comes with shadowstep. The speed is just a nice touch.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 18:02:13 2016 No.14936221

>>14936184
High speed might seem good at first and for low-leveled characters, but it's actually a downside for longterm powergamers due to INI.

I suspect that the 90% damage reduction and cute sprite are what's most important. Speed and Health can be improved later on through grinding.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 18:04:56 2016 No.14936236 >>14936221 Pretty much this, also the float bit is nice as well

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 18:22:17 2016 No.14936321 Does a new monster girl sprite sheet for 1.55 exist?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 18:33:17 2016 No.14936381 1.56 when? I wanna ditch Kurimori soon

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 18:36:22 2016 No.14936401 >>14936184 >For what purpose? 90% damage reduction and _free_ float.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 18:38:51 2016 No.14936420 >>14936087 All and any necro remodel will boost level by 5. Thanks for testing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 19:02:00 2016 No.14936564 Where are the best places to collect coffins? I already know about the pickpocketing in Palmia and Lumiest but where else?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 19:07:23 2016 No.14936611 >>14936564 Aren't there a bunch at the bottom of the Crypt of the Damned?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 19:08:07 2016 No.14936619 >>14936564 That one lv25 catacomb you need for the orb quest thing. The pyramid and a bunch of south tyris set dungeons should have various too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 19:14:49 2016 No.14936667 >>14936619 >>14936611 Nice. Does anyone know which mobs drop parts that make up Dead-Eyes Blood-Dragons?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 19:28:03 2016 No.14936736 Shining Wave is ridiculous, I just beat Metal Vesda with my new evolved pets and it was a breeze. Roughly the same stats as the last screenshot.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 19:29:18 2016 No.14936744

While we're on the topic of necromancy, figures and cards are also accepted in necro remodel. But apart from changing the undead's appearance to that of the monster that dropped the figure, I can't figure out what else it does. Figure gives Shion and Card gives Deceive. No skill or stat changes. Didn't test AI or moveset.

>>14936667
Since mob type depends on part cost, which in turn depends on mob level (I think), void F100-150 might be a good place. I got mine from the chaos spirits in the cradle of chaos. Or maybe that's overkill - those parts were worth 6k+. Only needed 2.3k.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 19:29:46 2016 No.14936746

>>14936152
Considering metal NPCs have 1 life, you can actually reach the absolute minimum 500 training cost after soul spindle with them contrary to snails.
As insane as that may sound, the things that have an insane 90% damage reduction have the potential to have a more explosive growth than snails.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 19:31:27 2016 No.14936757

>>14936744
>But apart from changing the undead's appearance to that of the monster that dropped the figure

I-what?

>Since mob type depends on part cost, which in turn depends on mob level (I think), void F100-150 might be a good place. I got mine from the chaos spirits in the cradle of chaos. Or maybe that's overkill - those parts were worth 6k+. Only needed 2.3k.

So that's ~= DL: 190-200, right?

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 19:40:04 2016 No.14936818
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>>14936744
Whoops, beg your pardon. Card gives Shion modifier, Figure gives Deceive.

>>14936757
Pic is a cat zombie made from palmia's elder.

>So that's ~= DL: 190-200, right?
Cradle of chaos is DL 100 with level 140 mobs, so DL 140 dungeons might suffice. My guess is that outside the void, a regular flash wyvern or something its level (137) might be enough. I could be wrong though. I'm pretty sure Yerleswood type M (163) dropped a part that was expensive enough.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 19:42:33 2016 No.14936831 >>14936818 Actually while you're here: Have you gotten any use out of monsters that aren't dragons or D-EBDs? I just make coffins and if they aren't ZDs, I mentally note them down and use them for remodeling. I'm wondering if that's a mistake.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 20:02:24 2016 No.14936944 >>14936321 The existing one works fine, doesn't it? I haven't encountered any issues with it so far.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 20:13:27 2016 No.14937018

>>14936831
I haven't. But then again, maybe I'm using zombies wrong.

What some other people have said is that zombie dragons can curse the enemy's equipment and they'll end up teleporting away, and that can be seriously annoying sometimes. And the guy also said that dragon zombies are kinda fragile compared to dead eyes. Ano did sorta acknowledge that in a previous E+ thread... I think? I can't find it though.

Some people use a mix of necro dolls too for their debuffs, but when I need zombies as a crutch, I'm up against stuff that will most likely resist those debuffs. Like bosses, gods, or void stuff, for example, so I haven't bothered. It doesn't help that dead eyes have the highest level modifier too so they're tougher meat shields.

So, uh, yeah, I filled my cemetery key with a bunch of dead eyes. Haven't had the incentive to try out any other zombies.

I did start necromancy very late though, so I started out with dead eyes right off the bat. If you don't have access to expensive monster giblets to create either dragon, necro dolls and liches might not be so bad either.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 20:17:52 2016 No.14937046

>>14936831
>>14936818
Fucking hell, Ano. Fuck you and fuck everyone that complained about it. Why aren't Zombies scaled to levels anymore? I just ran a DL:166 and nearly got my ass handed too me EVEN with all three pets. I even luckily got some level 120 parts but the best I could do was Zombie Dragon. BASTARD. I'm not going to DL: 300 just for the chance to get some decent shit. Not all of us can safely fuck up our DLs.

>>14937018
What are the other Necros playing with? Are people talking about the build? What do they say? I hate not knowing Japanese and being a weeb even if I no longer consume Anime/Manga/LNs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 20:24:54 2016 No.14937081 The wiki is a little confusing. How does Soul Spindle actually work? Do pets keep items and feats? Do they keep abilities? Can you spindle more then one pet? Do they keep evolved status?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 20:26:10 2016 No.14937090 >>14937081 I don't believe pets keep items, abilities or feats. ! Spindle = 1 Pet. No.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 20:27:34 2016 No.14937098 >>14937090 So even if I used multiple spindles on different pets, I can only incarnate with one pet?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 20:28:32 2016 No.14937102 >>14937098 One Spindle is consumed per pet. You can have as many as you like.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 20:30:47 2016 No.14937114 >>14937102 Sweet. After I finish the Elona+ main quest I might incarnate then. Is artifact fusion available without completing Lost Irva's quest?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 20:32:40 2016 No.14937124 >>14937114 As soon as you access LI you can make use of AF.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 20:34:34 2016 No.14937132 >>14937046 >Fuck you and fuck everyone that complained about it. I meant fuck Ano here. Ano hate threads when?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 20:38:27 2016 No.14937148 >>14937090 Other than lowering INI what's the point in spindling them? If it 's just a basic pet that I want to transfer over is it just better to recatch the on the gene character?

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 20:40:10 2016 No.14937161

>>14937046
Do you mean zombies aren't powerful enough because they're not scaled to the player's levels? (I restarted playing E+ recently, so I don't know about any of that.)

Build... not much on that. Some stuff on pros and cons of necromancy. One guy says that it's easier and faster to just whack away at enemies themselves or with pets, another says that it's not about how useful zombies are - it's for roleplaying... or something. I don't see anyone using anything other that dead eyes.

>>14937132
Don't you dare bring that festering shit in here.

>>14937018
Found it.

>特定の組み合わせを一時的に融合させて強力なアンデッドを生み出すシステムとか予定してるから
>下級アンデッドにも存在価値は出るさそのうち
>The lower level undead will be useful in the future because I intend to make it so that you can fuse certain combinations of undead temporarily to create a powerful zombie
http://jbbs.shitaraba.net/bbs/read_archive.cgi/game/45610/1453885675/

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 20:49:58 2016 No.14937210

>>14937148
Lowering INI and maybe bringing back rare/hard to catch pets for RP purposes like Inner gods or Meshera/whatever.

>>14937161
No, no, Zombie parts. It used to be that Part of level X - Y make cats, A-B Mummies, C-D Liches etc.

>The lower level undead will be useful in the future because I intend to make it so that you can fuse certain combinations of undead temporarily to create a powerful zombie

This sounds interesting.

>
Build... not much on that. Some stuff on pros and cons of necromancy. One guy says that it's easier and faster to just whack away at enemies themselves or with pets, another says that it's not about how useful zombies are - it's for roleplaying... or something. I don't see anyone using anything other that dead eyes.

It's only because of my small horde of Zombie Dragons that I can farm the void alone. Not that it's fast but still.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 20:56:20 2016 No.14937241 >>14937210 >X - Y make cats, A-B Mummies, C-D Liches How has that changed? Zombie type depends on the price of a monster part, which in turn depends on the level of the monster that dropped it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 20:56:34 2016 No.14937243 >>14937148 If it's a basic pet you could just monster ball a wild one and inherit it that way.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 20:59:42 2016 No.14937253

>>14937241
I think previously it was more direct.

Tbh I like playing with guarantees. I understand that killing a level 100+ mob at level 30 is a hard ask but this bullshit of farming high level dungeons and not getting anything more than dust after lots of effort and resources wasted is shit and makes me bitter. I dislike having overly high hurdles to jump but if I have to face them anyway I want to know, clearly, where they are.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:03:46 2016 No.14937274 >>14937243 I guess it was a pet I had to astral pen, so probably should soul spindle it.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:06:39 2016 No.14937287

>>14937253
Just did a ctrl+f of the changelog (jp wiki). I don't see any such change from 1.40 onwards, and I don't remember seeing anything about such a change. Do you remember which version it was?

And honestly, if you can't get dead eyes, then just stick with dragon zombies until you get strong enough to tackle those dungeons.

>level 30
>DL:166
You... what?

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:09:25 2016 No.14937301

>>14937287
Level 60 and my pets are crazy OP.

>It is possible that in previous versions, the race of the zombie depended not on value of the monster part, but on the level of the monster that dropped the heart. For example, hearts from Puppy Cave tier monsters resulted in a zombie cat, regardless of the species, race or class of the monster which dropped the heart.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Coffin_of_Necromancy

To be honest I didn't use Necromancy while this was active so I could be wrong.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:23:31 2016 No.14937375

>>14937301
Oh. The wiki. I know what you're talking about.

That original page had the following line:
> The level of the monster which dropped the required heart determines the type of monster created by the resulting coffin. For example, hearts from Puppy Cave tier monsters will always result in a zombie cat, regardless of the species, race or class...

I'm assuming that's where that line is from, and I have no idea whether it was true at any point at all. I doubt it, but only the author knows.

I suppose if you had the formula for how monster price part varied with level you could predict what level you'd need to kill.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:25:52 2016 No.14937387 >>14937375 For zombie levels is it better to pump Alchemy or Anatomy?

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:28:57 2016 No.14937405

>>14937387
Alchemy. How do you even level anatomy quick?

Dupli-cane is the way to go. Or spamming juices.

Or if you want to abuse a bug that will be fixed in 1.56, use alchemical rain on a ton of mobs on your farm or somewhere. Apparently it gives more exp than it should.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:29:59 2016 No.14937414 >>14937405 Duplicane and just spam spells in the house. Right on.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:32:59 2016 No.14937428 >>14937405 Doesn't eating snow level Alchemy and Cast Device? I remember that is how I became anorexic

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:37:11 2016 No.14937451 >>14937414 I suppose eclipse rods would do the trick. Could double as control magic training too. >>14937428 I guess snow and juice are great if you don't have dupli-cane or alch rain yet. Juice should be far better than snow though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:38:15 2016 No.14937462 >>14937428 How do you become anorexic eating snow? It can't be cursed. I leveled my alchemy to get the dupli-cane this way and didn't have any problems.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:39:19 2016 No.14937466 >>14937451 The only problems with it are the constant prompts asking if I really want to attack my pets plus the constant targetting. Hard to spam things with it. >>14937462 Snow can generate cursed. Quaff one too many in a row and well...

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:41:54 2016 No.14937481 >>14937466 >Snow can generate cursed. Quaff one too many in a row and well... I ate maybe 1000 pieces of snow and not a single one was cursed. What on earth were you doing wrong?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:42:22 2016 No.14937485 >>14937466 It's just your saturation. If you eat/drink anything while bloated, you puke. I don't think you get prompts for ball-type rods like eclipse or bubble storm.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:43:07 2016 No.14937488 >>14937405 >Dupli-cane I just looked that up. How does that not break rods of wishing? Do they just not work with it?

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:43:08 2016 No.14937489

>>14937466
>he only problems with it are the constant prompts asking if I really want to attack my pets plus the constant targetting.
I made a macro on my mouse that presses the hotkeys for me then has a small delay before confirming the spell.
I keep a pet I don't really use at my palace for the sole purpose of using spells on him.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:44:09 2016 No.14937496 >>14937488 It only works with attacking rods like lightning ball, magic laser, eclipse etc. My pets seem to have the ability too which doesn't always proc though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:44:13 2016 No.14937497 >>14937488 Nope. Only attack rods.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 21:44:55 2016 No.14937499 >>14937496 >>14937497 Oh, alright, that's not that bad then.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 22:00:27 2016 No.14937592 >>14937462 >>14937466 Snow can't be generated cursed. But if you quaff it while bloated, you'll vomit just like with any other potion. Do that too many times and it's off to anorexia hell.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 22:03:21 2016 No.14937606

>>14937592
This is what happened, I collected like 1,000 snow and bound it to 8, then held down 8. Then didn't pay attention and barfed like 10 times in a row, then paniced and tried to eat some actual food, resulting in two more vomits. Then I recieved materials from above

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 01:18:15 2016 No.14938314 >leave elona open for 3 hours and completely forget about it while talking to people on skype oops?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 01:21:48 2016 No.14938334 File: 8 KB, 657x18, 24 hour.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14938314

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 01:24:16 2016 No.14938343 >>14938334 But why would you leave your computer on for that long? Surely you would have slept in that timeframe?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 01:28:03 2016 No.14938357 >>14938343 Sleep is for the weak ! Mani, where's that machine that artificially induce REM state to do in thiry minutes what it takes you 8 hours ! It's always orbital death lazers with you !

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 01:33:35 2016 No.14938365 >>14938343 >But why would you leave your computer on for that long? It's not like I restart/shut down this computer more than once a month.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 01:39:14 2016 No.14938374 >>14938365 At least put it in sleep mode when you don't plan on using it man

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 01:46:38 2016 No.14938397 >>14938374 Well yeah. But that doesn't mean I have to close my progrums in the meantime.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 01:57:26 2016 No.14938417 >>14938365 Jesus Christ.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 02:19:07 2016 No.14938498 >>14938334 Ehekatl proving once again that she is the best god.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 02:41:17 2016 No.14938536 >>14938498 >tfw can't worship waifu because Kurimori is to OP stamina regen buff when

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 02:41:44 2016 No.14938537 >>14938498 But dude she's bonkers.

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 03:07:58 2016 No.14938580
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>>14938498
Agreed.

Dem child bearing hips and giant goddess titties. Was the first goddess to be on call and would show up if you wished for it nicely. Hugs you when you're feeling down and genuinely cares about you. Most importantly of all, is NOT out to destroy the planet and kill, or make into a robot, all of mankind.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 03:13:08 2016 No.14938606 Quick question from someone who started a few days ago, is there any way to easily make/stockpile certain types of cursed potions or am I stuck running the puppy mill for the next few days?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 03:19:26 2016 No.14938636 >>14938606 Get one curse scroll or several. Find potions and create a large stack. Drop everything on you except the scroll and what you want to curse. Curse stack. Should give you lots of cursed potions of whatever you used that curse scroll on.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 03:20:59 2016 No.14938641 >>14938606 Sleep without any equipement or inventory except the thing you wanna curse and hope for the curse event. Might work with scrolls of curse too

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 03:22:45 2016 No.14938646

>>14938636
>stupidly took the feat which prevents cursing
Yet another reason I should really restart
Fucking got dimmed after opening a door filled with creatures.
Almost got two of my pets killed there, one did die but I managed to stop the second one from getting killed just barely.
I really really really want to remake as a golem wizard... really reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally badly.

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 03:29:12 2016 No.14938669

>>14938646
sound resistance make you resistant to dim

don't bash door if your strength suck, stand next to the door and skip turns, pet will open the door for you

always carry a blessed scroll of escape, when in trouble pop the scroll and survive for the 7 turns it takes to charge

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 03:33:04 2016 No.14938691

>>14938669
nah it was one of the monsters inside that dimmed me
I wasn't in any danger really, I still had my gun and my staff I just have a super squishy wizard pet who I have to baby sometimes.

I'd say the biggest problem I have right now is lack of sound resistance and poison resistance on my pets and my character.
The black lizard things and grenade throwing jerks are pretty much the only thing that can hurt us currently, aside from enemies clearly way stronger.

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 03:44:20 2016 No.14938732

>>14938691
Kill every hermit crab you see, they can drop an necklace that will give you all the sound resistance you need

Poison never gave me any trouble, watch for items with the "It negates the effect of poison" attribute i guess. Its a rank 1 attribute (not extremely rare). Pets crafting is a good way to get that

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 04:00:01 2016 No.14938771 >>14938732 I have had several of those necklaces but I'm using the one that gives you the chance for a second ranged attack.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 14:31:21 2016 No.14940477 Wow, someone on the wiki is seriously butthurt about south tyris.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 15:03:41 2016 No.14940567 >>14940477 Woah where? Why do all the 'type in the text' captchas fail?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 15:07:57 2016 No.14940583 File: 488 KB, 1024x768, bewbs.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14940567 http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/South_Tyris#comm

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 15:11:06 2016 No.14940594

>>14940583
Actually while you're here, I read a long time ago that dominating high level pets and discarding them once they become useless is equally-ish viable to raising a bunch of low-level ones to crazy high levels and stats. Is this true?

Also did you customize your buff icons?

Anyway I always wondered what would happen if you tried to raise more than like, 3, pets at once. TIL.

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 15:17:37 2016 No.14940619

>>14940594
The level doesn't matter much, the pet itself is what matters. A low level pet is easier since you can control how they grow more, and by dominating a high level monster, you can just gene engineer it to your pet to level it.

I always roll with 3-5 pets, also that is an old image from vanilla elona.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 15:19:32 2016 No.14940624 >>14940619 If I had a pet of level ~75 and my gene engineer skill was 80, would I be able to gene engineer a level 128 pet into it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 15:26:01 2016 No.14940645 >>14940624 No. You would need 128+5 to be able to gene engineer the level 128 pet at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 15:27:35 2016 No.14940648 Does anyone know if the sister's mansion shopkeeper counts as 'non-blood related sisters' in the journal? I currently have 1 sister, but I don't recall reading any diaries. >>14940645 128-5 = 123 I think.

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 15:40:31 2016 No.14940683

>>14940477
North Tyris kind of has a steady progression with a short bit of hand holding. There is no hand holding in South Tyris and depending on when you get there, there is a bit of shock at how high the difficulty ramps up. I always find it odd that those players seem so shocked at the idea that maybe, just maybe, they need to take matters into their own hands and grind things out until they're strong enough to continue on with the story. The game from the outset already makes it clear that you can go off and do your own thing. Story and sidequests aren't going anywhere while you grind. Somehow I blame MMO quest systems and on the rail gameplay conditioning for what that wiki guy/girl.

Speaking of butthurt, have you seen the comment sections of the gunner page on the wiki? There's a guy that got so ass devastated at the notion of people playing as gunner hybrids and as gunners that aren't Yerles. For some reason he feels as if it dishonors pure gunner players and honestly feels that pure gunners are stronger than gun mages are argues vehemently for this. I couldn't stop laughing at how serious he was making this matter to be. I really hope he's trolling. Either way, the guy has my thanks for amusing me.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Gunner

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 15:54:49 2016 No.14940713 >>14938417 Up to a week now already.

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 16:23:49 2016 No.14940813

>>14940683
>It isn't just the fire arm. The fire arm is part of it, but the overall skills of the Yerles are suited to the fire arm

Oh boy.

Anyway, in vanilla elona, once you cleared Zeome and the chaos forts, the world was your oyster. Dungeons didn't really get any more difficult beyond that because the highest level monster was the spiral king. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) That's something that might trip up a person used to elona but not E+, because the grind to end-game is a lot longer in the latter.

Also,
>As its name suggests, the ragnarock may occasionally trigger the ragnarok effect.
Jesus, are you kidding me? And I thought meteor casting monsters were bad enough already.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 16:51:46 2016 No.14940891 >>14940594 It depends on your goals in the game, but it doesn't scale into the endgame where dungeons are scaling endlessly.

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 17:27:15 2016 No.14941009

>>14940583
You just can't make this stuff up

>I've spent the last 2 or 3 weeks trudging around South Tyris with this character trying to grow her and her pet army (I've got about 11 now what with spindled pets, pets dominated and joiners and now the cleaner.) The interesting thing is the older pets with the less impressive stats seem to be most capable of surviving the stupidAOE attacks that wreck the fancier high stat/skilled pets. And it isn't merely a resistance thing. They all have lousy resists as it is hard to find items with more than a single # of any resist, except the ones that come with ## as part of their base.

I hope he learns to appreciate the grind, in any case.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 20:21:41 2016 No.14941696 File: 266 KB, 1318x345, 4d.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just out of curiosity, what do you guys have in your 4 dimensional pocket?

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 20:29:36 2016 No.14941733
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Interestingly, having multiple Defenders (Jure god pet) has a different cooldown for the Lay Hand ability. Would having an army of Defenders be a viable replacement for the contingency spell late-game?

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 20:35:38 2016 No.14941756

>>14941733
I had a cnpc in vanilla elona that cast Lay Hand, I had an army of them and they would either use it on pets that were about to die (and would usually die right after Lay Hand anyway), or would use it on me and save my ass. Even when Starving on the world map.

>>14941696
Can items in the 4d pocket go rotten?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 20:37:21 2016 No.14941760 >>14941733 How did you get multiple god pets of the same kind? I thought you could only have one of a certain kind at any moment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 20:37:26 2016 No.14941761 >>14941756 No. Plus rotten items also un-rot when you take them out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 20:47:40 2016 No.14941800 >>14941761 >rotten items also un-rot when you take them out What? Are you serious? How does that work?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 20:51:02 2016 No.14941809 >>14941800 Prolly a bug. Rotten tangerine goes in, fresh tangerine comes out. The sprite doesn't change though, but you can eat it alright. It'll look fine if you cook it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 20:51:48 2016 No.14941810 >>14941800 It just werks. The item keep the rot icon though.

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 20:59:10 2016 No.14941826

>>14941760
It's a soul-spindled Defender. I would assume that generations of Jure-worshippers would be able to accumulate enough Defenders to create an unstoppable army.

>>14941756
What if there was a single splitting, Lay Hand cNPC? Would each copy have their own Lay Hand ability before exploding into a cloud of red mist?

Also, any reason why the other pets did not use Lay Hand on the allied cNPC that died shortly after?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 21:03:28 2016 No.14941839 >>14940683 The last rant... My head is full of fuck. I would love to have seen his character

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 21:34:33 2016 No.14941930 File: 866 KB, 1901x2491, Great for storing out-of-control autism.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14941696 Stuff I probably don't even need.

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 21:37:34 2016 No.14941940

>>14941930
Man, magic in elona has so much more utility than melee or gunner classes that the idea of not being a spellcaster (or hybrid thereof) is almost insane.

Kind of wish Elona had a sort of Arcanum: Steamworks style system where non-casters and casters had mutually exclusive perks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 21:40:43 2016 No.14941950 >>14941930 Those younger sisters really let themselves go...

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 21:40:49 2016 No.14941953

>>14941760
If you go apostate with one god after receiving their pet and return to them, you can earn that pet again (pretty sure, i remember abandoning a bunch of god pets). In addition, you can breed them on a ranch (takes a few weeks for the first baby though, so it'll take a while)

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 22:15:04 2016 No.14942077 >>14941696 Entirely empty. My fetish is storage houses.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 22:16:27 2016 No.14942086 >>14941940 Really makes me wonder if maybe they should have split Casting into offensive & utility magic. I almost always end up being a wizard because of this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 22:18:12 2016 No.14942092 >>14941826 >Also, any reason why the other pets did not use Lay Hand on the allied cNPC that died shortly after? Resurrection spell works once per map, unless you exit and reenter. May be there is something like that with lay hands.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 00:04:23 2016 No.14942434 >>14942092 Also, pets with Lay Hand have just one charge, and can only be recharged when you sleep for the next day.

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 01:01:23 2016 No.14942568

>>14942434
In Anon's case he has a few pets with lay hands available. With player's resurrection spell, if target was resurrected and dies again, it will not be on the list of possible resurrection targets anymore, until you reenter map. Lay hand probably looks for target the same way, and thus does not activates.

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 01:23:40 2016 No.14942626

Didn't know the lay hand could revive you. I think i'll replace my black cat by the defender in my inferno run.
Black cat's browbeat is nice for the reduced dmg but free revive is clutch.
Does the revive work if your pet has shit speed (if you ride it for example), or does the pet has to play on the turn you die ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 01:32:40 2016 No.14942660 >>14942092 >>14942434 >>14942568 WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT A SECOND I always thought lay hand was just a beefy healing spell usable only once. You mean it actually activates on death and so is more like resurrection !?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 01:53:15 2016 No.14942715 >>14942660 I'm fairly certain that they use it when you'd otherwise be killed. It gives you a heal that pushes you back into the positives.

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 01:54:03 2016 No.14942716

>>14942660
Yeap, it activates when you or one of your pets die. No stats/relationship penalty. The only bad thing about it is inability to direct it - for example, if your group gets bombrocked, defender will resurrect the first victim, no priority for player.
>>14942626
It isn't turn dependent, just triggers right after someone takes lethal damage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 02:02:17 2016 No.14942735 >>14942715 >>14942716 Well shit. That's mighty awesome.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 02:13:42 2016 No.14942790 YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT LAY HAD WASN'T JUST A MELEE RANGE SKILL?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 02:19:30 2016 No.14942821 File: 12 KB, 243x23, 50s.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ha ha, time to train. >Select all images with trains.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 02:20:26 2016 No.14942829 >>14942790 It's map-wide. And think of it not as a skill, but as sort of passive ability. For example, with custom AI you don't need to set it up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 02:24:18 2016 No.14942847 >>14941800 >>14941809 Also, >an item that can make fresh puree out of rotten and/or cursed fruits, vegetables, and nuts

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 02:24:41 2016 No.14942850 >>14942829 >get 15 defenders >wall them up at start of dungeons >proceed to play solo

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 05:22:15 2016 No.14943410 What the hell is an "essential oil"?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 06:40:38 2016 No.14943667 >>14943410 Used to trigger the oil status. Drink it, I heard they taste nice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 07:55:52 2016 No.14943920 >>14940683 Read what? You start to read Gunner. It's too difficult!

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 08:35:10 2016 No.14944091 File: 3.04 MB, 1264x3192, index.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14941696

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 11:50:58 2016 No.14944703 I'm not really sure what I should get for my first deed. Farm or ranch? I'm considering ranch so I can farm putits for the corpses and putitoros when I get that far.

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 12:20:18 2016 No.14944778

Ranch, I'd say. It's far less attention-demanding and skill-demanding than a farm, so can generate a decent profit early on with far less effort. (Hell, ranches actually benefit from you being a low level, since low level creatures you capture will breed faster).

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 12:27:25 2016 No.14944809

>>14944703
Farm if you're worshipping kumiromi/itzpalt/jure/opartos.

Chicken ranch if you have enough/almost enough tailoring to make picnic baskets. Baskets are great early on when your pet can't cook that well yet.

Jerky was changed in E+ 1.40 or somewhere around there, and has tier 3 nutrition now. 1 meat = 2 jerky too. Never rots. I've never eaten jerky myself, but it seems worth looking into.

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 12:32:09 2016 No.14944820

I want to make a shopkeeper that has both high charisma/negotiation and extra limbs, so I can fill the slots with extra charisma gear.

Would it be easier to splice charisma/negotiation into a mutant, or to add extra parts onto a pet with existing high charisma/negotiation?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 12:47:00 2016 No.14944875 Is the skill XP from spending skill points (the kind you earn from levelling up) affected by potential or do they contribute a flat rate?

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 16:14:48 2016 No.14945591
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>>14944820
The latter.
You can add parts on to an existing pet to mutant levels at Doctor Gavela in South Tyris. This costs them Life, but they won't need it as a shopkeeper.
On the other hand, the starting levels for some monsters in Charisma/Negotiation would take an eternity of grinding to match.

There's probably even better monsters than the stuff on this list by now, it's fairly old.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 16:15:41 2016 No.14945595 >>14944875 Affected by potential. Your attributes are also affected both by the attribute potentials and the skill's potential... but you've probably already found out by now. See exp spreadsheet: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:16301

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 16:23:42 2016 No.14945625 >>14943667 Oil status? Is that a damage multiplier debuff for fire attacks, like how wet doubles electric attacks?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 16:27:47 2016 No.14945650 >>14945625 Apparently so. It also gives a boost to base DV and PV of 30%.

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:02:34 2016 No.14945791

>>14945595
That's a fantastic find. Thanks anon.

If you have any other hidden gems like that -- stuff not on the formal wiki pages that is easy to overlook -- please let me know. I'm still a bit of a newbie so I don't know a lot of the unlisted hidden tips and tricks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:06:13 2016 No.14945808 Maybe the exp spreadsheet link should be added to the pastebin... Is the person who maintains it around here?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:12:01 2016 No.14945841 >>14944875 Just tried to raise a skill from 23.7 to 30 with 80% and 200% base potential, took 28 skill points both times. Looks like it's not affected.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:15:30 2016 No.14945850 >>14945841 My bad. Could've sworn it was.

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:23:14 2016 No.14945885

>>14945591
It wouldn't be too difficult (if you have the resources) to train your own pet normally and, when its charisma is high enough, drop it off at the shop. An endgame pet will have 2000 charisma, and if you have herbs, 500 probably isn't out of the question.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:24:38 2016 No.14945894 >>14945850 Double-checked it, and actually it does affect exp gain. With single point it gives more exp. Disregard >>14945841.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:28:16 2016 No.14945906 >>14945885 Yeah, but why start from 10 charisma when you can start from 250, especially when limbs are a breeze to add. Plus, there's no quick way to train their Negotation

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:29:33 2016 No.14945914 >>14945595 What's >Turn in a stray cat Is that the one-time Mia quest, or is it something repeatable?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:31:41 2016 No.14945922 >>14945914 Repeatable quest in the first town in South Tyris. You bring in stray cats, it trains your Luck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:32:53 2016 No.14945928 >>14945914 http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Dog_cop

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:40:24 2016 No.14945950 Gonna give this another go. I never get past level 20 or so. Think I need some sort of personal short term goals to keep it interesting while I slowly scratch my potentials up. Wish me luck!

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:42:04 2016 No.14945956 >>14945950 Post your progress!

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:43:10 2016 No.14945960 File: 38 KB, 310x350, putit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14945950 The early game plat grind is always the most trying part of the game, in my opinion. If you can get past that hump you should be golden.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 18:12:51 2016 No.14946086 Í killed Ulzassil and put his magic heart in level 45 of Lesimas. I left, came back and it was gone. Feeling pretty bad rn tbqhw/y senpai.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 18:26:22 2016 No.14946125 File: 573 KB, 1277x765, ss+(2016-03-20+at+12.24.08).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14945956 >>14945960 Here I go! Took a while to set things up again, thank Jure someone put all those custom sprite and portrait packs in the pastebin.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 18:26:41 2016 No.14946127 Is there a way to summon a specific monster in the game? I'm looking to test things on wizard mode.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 18:34:03 2016 No.14946149 >>14946127 F5 to wish, you MIGHT be able to wish for specific monsters that way while in wizmode.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 18:38:05 2016 No.14946169 >>14946149 Doesn't seem like it's possible, except for gods and Q. Thanks though.

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