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Anonymous of Russian Federаtion Mon Oct 20 10:43:48 2008 No.1484446 [Reply] [Original]

I just bought this book and think this is related to the board:

Carroll's principal hobby -- the hobby that aroused his greatest joys -- was entertaining little girls. "I am fond of children (except boys)," he once wrote. [...] He thought the naked bodies of little girls (unlike the bodies of boys) extremely beautiful. Upon occasion he sketched or photographed them in the nude, with the mother's permission, of course. [...] Lest these undraped pictures later embarrass the girls, he requested that after his death they be destroyed or returned to the children or their parents. None seems to have survived.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 11:44:36 2008 No.1484447 ONE OF US

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 11:45:30 2008 No.1484448 >None seems to have survived. Isn't it sad, Lewis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 11:46:02 2008 No.1484449 Anthony Brown version has the best illustrations also slowpoke.bmp for "HOLY SHIT LEWIS CAROLL IS A PEDO!"

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 20:53:24 2008 No.1485739
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Yours looks weird. I collect a lot of Alice stuff.

Carroll's works are very popular in Japan. Wordplay and puns are a common type of humor in Japanese, so when translated well his humor is something Japanese people like. Out of only four countries that have a Lewis Carroll Society, Japan is the only one that doesn't speak English (England, America, and New Zealand are the others). The most interesting part is that the people in Japan who love to use the name most are those involved in the visual subculture (lol, fancy words for otaku/anime nerds), as opposed to the drug subculture of the US. In fact, there are many more popular and subculture references to his stuff in Japan than in English-speaking locations, but far less literary references.

I gave a final presentation on Carroll/Alice in Japan in one of my classes in my last semester of university. I was thinking of trying to write a formal article about it to submit to journals, but I never went through with it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 21:54:00 2008 No.1485750 >>1485739 Oh, and if AoRF is actually from Russia and still awake, did you know the first translation of Alice's Adventures of Wonderland into Russian was done by Nabokov?

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:02:31 2008 No.1486911
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There's a somewhat interesting article at http://www.hp-alice.com/lcj/subculture.html about the history of otaku adopting Alice as sort of a lolicon mascot, but it goes a little far in trying to say that Dodgson wasn't a pedo. The history stuff itself is interesting though.

>>	My Other Trip is a Steamroller !.A7WWRYYYY Tue Oct 21 02:45:45 2008 No.1487114 File: 545 KB, 1415x2000, 1224557145661.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Needs more alice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:52:32 2008 No.1487143 File: 79 KB, 480x646, 1224557552374.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1487114 That is an awesome pic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:00:32 2008 No.1487178 File: 182 KB, 736x670, 1224558032439.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Alice thread?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:01:35 2008 No.1487183 File: 164 KB, 500x375, 1224558095187.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1487178 I like this comparison better.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:04:09 2008 No.1487194 File: 49 KB, 400x500, 1224558249117.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1487189

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:08:29 2008 No.1487226 File: 136 KB, 661x900, 1224558509032.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I know a girl who's completely obsessed with 2 things: Alice in Wonderland and transsexuals.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:09:18 2008 No.1486940 >>1485750 Sexy! >>1484446 Lies!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:10:18 2008 No.1486949 >>1485750 Meant to say "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" but the "into" after it was triggering some sort of brain problem, apparently.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:17:51 2008 No.1486985 But Alice is the mascot of the Alice complex or alicecon. Alicecon is 8-12 while lolicon is 13-16.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:19:54 2008 No.1486995 >>1486985 Excuse me, but are you new?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:21:04 2008 No.1487291 File: 561 KB, 499x520, 1224559264542.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] PROTIP: Alice was a weeaboo too Victorian cosplay>American cosplay

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:22:20 2008 No.1487012 >>1486985 I don't...I speak Japanese and it sounds like you just made that up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:30:33 2008 No.1487038 >>1486911 Sage for Kippi

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:35:52 2008 No.1487057 >>1485750 Somehow I don't find this the slightest bit surprising.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:40:34 2008 No.1487078 >None seems to have survived That's a lie; the photography collections still exist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 03:42:26 2008 No.1487091 >>1487078 Tons of his photos have survived, but I believe only like one nude did.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 04:02:47 2008 No.1487189 I want to see a pictar of the origianl Alice. Please post it in this thread now please okay?

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 04:04:05 2008 No.1487199

>>1487114
This is how it works. I pick up her book and then i turn back 2 years in my life till i'm 13 again, and suddenly there's Alice! Oh, yes it's her and we're together! My gods!

...we fuck and we're still just children and we're both insane and depressed and hate our parents and just want to die together. that's how it works,okay.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 04:05:52 2008 No.1487204 >>1487194 Oh, thank you so much!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 04:05:52 2008 No.1487206 >>1487178 Needs an updated version with our Alice

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 04:06:28 2008 No.1487212 >>1487199 Did you just admit to being 15? Cause I think you did

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 04:08:32 2008 No.1487225

Lol what a waste of space the OP truly is. Perhaps he is looking for some sort of acceptance for his filth?

Because Caroll really did not have any connection to paedophilia. You know, one can find almost any suggestions in Victorian time documents, if you interpret them on modern day standards. Which no intelligent person would do because, you know, if you take things out of their original context they tend to lose their original meaning.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 04:09:24 2008 No.1487233 >>1487194 Oh my, well she's just adorable.

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 04:16:11 2008 No.1487272

>>1487225
Karoline Leach, is that you? Most Carroll scholars agree that he was basically in love with Alice Liddell, and that he was overly interested in little girls. He didn't have sex with them or anything, and he was very religious, but to deny that he had a fixation on young girls is just ridiculous.

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