Ever 17 - Spoilers ahead, brace yourself

[Anonymous of Germany !WvzhzxDiIQ No.]

Holy fuck /jp/,

I just finished Ever 17, hearing how it was supposed to be great and needing something to do before FSN was released. And then I finished it in only three days plus pulling an all nighter to get Coco's end. Now I've slept 10 hours and I still think: "Holy fuck, that was the greatest Brick Shit fest since Famicon Detective Club 2."

I mean, it was all foreshadowed, everything, yet I would have never guessed That the two events took place 17 years apart from each other. In my mind I had made up a lot of shit about there being two different dimensions, or Coco/Sara dying locked in an elevator in each respective event. I even expected Takeshi and the Shounen to be one and the same person, just differently aged versions of each other. Funny how I was somewhat right with that.

I must say the end was very satisfying, it explained everything, and most of all IT ALL MADE SENSE. No paradoxes.

So guys, what’s your opinion, did you shit as many bricks as I did and were you satisfied with the ending?

[BlickWinkel !arWAHAn1/. No.]

I wasn't satisfied with the ending, so I made my own.

[BlickWinkel !arWAHAn1/. No.]

>>1478040

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand why Ever17 doesn't get atleast as much attention as all TYPE-MOON works combined, seeing as TYPE-MOON is shit.

[BlickWinkel !arWAHAn1/. No.]

>>1478047
Third one's really more of an extra.
Leiblich felt too much like the generic evil scientist lab. It needed more backstory.
So here it is.

[Anonymous of Germany !WvzhzxDiIQ No.]

I also love how Ever 17 actually acts as a PC game and not a lame clone of a PS2 game. I mean it offers you Screensavers, Wallpapers and the option to save any CG you want on your computer directly. That's awesome.

>>1478010
That's nice... too bad it's dead.

>>1478132
Speaking of it... how do I got You's and Sara's bad ending? For some reason I get their good endings all the time even when I try to be a dick. Do I have to replay all over or can I use a shortcut?
Also the "epilog" from Takeshi you get after finishing Coco's good end was a bit of a disappointment, haha.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>1208096

The thread I made when I finished Ever17 summed up my view nicely and answer any question you still have.

Also, I love the concept of Blick Winkel.

[Anonymous No.]

It's god-tier for a reason.

[Anonymous No.]

Lame romance visual novels.

[Anonymous No.]

Epic win

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478028
Heh.

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>>1478050
Because it sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478050

ITT: We troll?

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>>1478061
You can consider it trolling with the truth if you want.

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>>1478050
Type-Moon is shounen and thus it has a natural tendency for people to be attracted towards it.

Also, I'll wager a good 90% of /jp/'s users have never actually read Ever17.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1477996
great ending. coco's path was an all nighter for me as well. wish i could forget it all and play it all over again.
>>1478028
yeah. it's pretty lame unless you're interested in the plot and not just the interpersonal relationships and lack of tits. also troll.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>1478050

Type-Moon is sorta like Shonen Jump stuff except with porn, so of course it's gonna be more popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478059
>>1478028

Same type-turd fag, back to your bleach please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478065
>>1478078
Stop provoking the type-moon friends or they'll start ravaging.

[Anonymous No.]

The only bad thing is that since I've finished Ever17 I feel unsatisfied with most VNs (Planetarian and CLANNAD being the only exceptions) because they don't have as big of an impact on me. It's the same with anime and Monster, for me.

[Anonymous No.]

I still need to get You's bad ending but I'm too lazy.

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>>1478132
Sara's bad end was the best. ;__;

[BlickWinkel !arWAHAn1/. No.]

>>1478132
Funny how the key reason the bad ending happens instead of the good one is that Kid doesn't drink coffee in the bad ending. Since he doesn't see the coffee maker, he doesn't make the siphon connection. Coffee saved his life in the You route.

[Anonymous No.]

I get a "HOW DID I MISS THAT?" feeling whenever I look at some of the CGs, because you can clearly see that Takeshi's hair is black, not brown in some routes. In some CGs the Kid is also much taller than Sara, while in Takeshi's routes the Kid is as small as fucking Coco.

[Anonymous No.]

I played through You's and Sara's routes first, then as soon as I started my first playthrough as Takeshi and noticed a MAJOR CHARACTER DISCREPANCY and realized I was going to need to shit many, many more bricks before I was through.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478114
Monster? o_O

To me Monster (and 2* Century Boys) seemed like huge build-ups repeated again and again that never led to much. Should I have been thinking about the plot harder?

[Anonymous of Germany !WvzhzxDiIQ No.]

>>1478143

Not to mention that Tsugumi put Hokuto in the fucking Lemur costume in the beginning and you get a CG of the fucking head of "The Kid" that's just fucking diffrent from the one you see in Takeshi's route.
I also loved the revelation that the Lemur was Tsugumi, I kinda expected it from the punch, but I still loved it.

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>>1478155
That's how it is for me anyway, I really enjoyed Monster from start to finish. It's more a matter of taste I guess, I'm really into psychological themes.

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>>1478147

To get Sara's bad end just go to dritte stock instead of zweite in the last choice.

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>>1478147
I'm not sure, but for You's bad end you have to give up on trying to crack the password on the piece of paper, where you're supposed to tilt it. After a few misses it just goes on with the story without further trying.

[One Star Bandit No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

>>1478179
Type-Moon has arrived.

[Anonymous of Germany !WvzhzxDiIQ No.]

Oh just in case anyone cares:
The German in the game is mostly... allright.

You can tell they're not natives but you can tell they tried. Some things are really painful to read, like LeMMIH's true name (see picture) Or "Wache Zimmer".

Also in America and Japan the ground floor is identical to the first floor, in Germany however it goes: Ground Floor, First Floor, Second Floor. And Ground Floor does not mean "Erste Boden" but "Erdgeschoss" So it should either have been:
Erdgeschoss - Erster Stock - Zeiter Stock
or
Erster Stock - Zweiter Stock - Dritter Stock

Not that it matters, but floors under ground are usally called "Untergeschoss" anyway.

But most German in the game is decent, like the Announcements at the end or the names of most rooms, so it was okay. It was really fun to play a game that used German as a "mysterious foreign language".

[BlickWinkel !arWAHAn1/. No.]

>>1478143
There are a few clever hints that go unnoticed.

Morning scene in an early Kid route day:
Kid splashes water in his face in the bathroom to wake him up. The mirror is cracked.

Sara and You's flashback to the hacker's club:
It's mentioned that You's mom has a robot dog. It's Pipi after Blick sends him up in 2017

Reread the first few days in Kid's route. Pay special attention to Tsugumi.
She knows who he is:
"I never thought you'd join up with them."
Knowing she's his mother, her words seem more like an angry mother's scolding:
"Don't you ever talk to me again."
Sara has probably figured out Tsugumi's identity:
"You're just running away from me like you ran away from him"

Kid's perspective is definitely worth re-reading for the first few days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478187
... Jesus.

[BlickWinkel !arWAHAn1/. No.]

>>1478147
You bad end:
Don't figure out the password
Sara bad end:
Choose to search the wrong floor. It's the last choice.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.kgptzac.info/ever17/index.html

There's some interesting stuff on here.

[Anonymous No.]

So what are your thoughts on the fluctuating life count numbers at the end of each route?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478222

Blick Winkel and causal expectation fucking around with physical reality.

[BlickWinkel !arWAHAn1/. No.]

>>1478187
Also, You's ending has two or so instances of the term 'Blick Winkel.'
Once during the transmission with You's mom and Dr. Morino (I guess that's him, at least)
And once when they're asking You's mom just what the fuck happened.

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>>1478059
>>1478028
99/10, would rage again

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>>1478280
Go back to /b/ if your trolled that easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478040
Does anyone have screencaps of the real timelines? They scrolled by in the credits but I'd like to take a look at them again.

[BlickWinkel !arWAHAn1/. No.]

>>1478287
The movie files used in the game are renamed to .e17 file extensions. Just look around the install folder and you'll find it. Just open it with MPC or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478284
NO U. I said nothing about being trolled, just that those attempts at trolling made me rage

[Anonymous of Germany !WvzhzxDiIQ No.]

Say... did any of the other games (Never 7, Remember 11 and that other one I forgot) get translated?

>>1478287
http://www.kgptzac.info/ever17/timeline1.html

[BlickWinkel !arWAHAn1/. No.]

>>1478302
http://forums.novelnews.net/showpost.php?p=16298&postcount=56
Found my old forum post that where I transcribed the whole thing.
It's in Rot13.

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>>1478320

Remember 11 is in the process of being translated. Fuck yeah.

http://www.tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=Remember11_-_the_age_of_infinity

[BlickWinkel !arWAHAn1/. No.]

>>1478320
12Riven's demo got subtitled.

[Anonymous No.]

LEMMIH IS HIMMEL SPELLED BACKWARDS

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478486
No Shit Sherlock. Did you figure that out yourself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478521

Sora means Sky.

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>>1478535
It's called Ever17 because one of the characters is stuck at that age.

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>>1478538
17 (and multiples of) appears far too many times in the novel.

[Anonymous No.]

Okay guys, another thing I've wondered while playing.

Would it be technically possible to make an anime out of Ever 17? It would probably be very popular, but the main problem is that it would give away the fact that there are diffrent Takeshis and two diffrent Shounens.

In the visual novel this is not a problem since you never see the protagonists face and you don't hear his voice. However in anime you don't see through the eyes of a character but rather follow him around. So how the fuck would that be able to be pulled off?

I feel like, there could be a way, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

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>>1478557
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478538
Never7 set in 2007
Remember11 set in 2011
Ever17 set in 2017

[Anonymous No.]

The ending was weak because it didnt make much sense. Well, it made more sense than C;H but it had some massive plot holes and wierd inconcsistencies. But it's a fact that you will shit bricks regardless.

1. Yuu's route: boring
2. Tsugumi's route: a small baww.
3. Sora's route: Little bricks, a small baww
4. Sara's route: boring
6. Coco's route: shat a house in which I had a party with five girraffes, Ronald McDonald and a jelly sadwidch doing the electric boogaloo.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT Girls in Washing Machines?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478595
The ending was great and covered most of the loose ends with no gaps.

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>>1478841
At least post the animated washingmachine.gif

>Fuck you man, these threads back on /a/ back then are the reason I lol'd at Tsugumi's good ending instead of shedding manly tears.
Even though I encountered those washing machine threads, I still shed manly tears at this scene.

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>>1478222

Takeshi route:
1. Yubiseiharukana
2. Takeshi
3. Coco
4. Tsugumi
5. Kaburaki
6. Yoichi Tanaka
7. ?

Kid route:
1. Yubiseiakikana
2. Kaburaki
3. Sara
4. Tsugumi
5. Hokuto
6. Coco
7. Takeshi

It can't be Blick Winkel or Pipi, as the life readings can't even count Sora. So there's a chance that there was still 1 survivor left in LeMU/IBF in 2017, even during the Coco ending.

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>>1478905
It's Blick.

Remember what the novel told you about casualty and metaphysics...

[Anonymous No.]

AW LAWD IZ DAT SUM CHICKEN SANDWICHES

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

What happened to Coco's father then?

[Anonymous No.]

There's a predestination paradox, but that's less stupid than a grandfather paradox IMO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478927

Dead

or Escaped safely

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478939

Wouldn't that explain the reason the life readings dropped from 7 to 6 then?

[Anonymous of Germany !WvzhzxDiIQ No.]

>>1478841

Fuck you man, these threads back on /a/ back then are the reason I lol'd at Tsugumi's good ending instead of shedding manly tears.

>>1478905

You really think people in the IBF would be counted? I honestly doubt it. In Himmel probably, but not in IBF. I think Blick Winkel is the ominous leftover life reading. Then the 7th person in 2017 would be Yui's father and in 2034 it would be Coco.
Pipi was a robot dog in the first place, so I doubt it'd pick him up. And Chami was way too small.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478949
Speaking of Tsugumi's good ending, it doesn't make sense to me how Takeshi getting out of the sub would help the buyoancy at all, I mean... due to opening the lid he let water in the sub with would increase the buyoancy again. And I seriously doubt that Takeshi was heavy enough to outweight all these liter's of water by 100 pounds.

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>>1478952
half of my physic sense agrees with you, and the other half doesn't

[MolesterJim No.]

>>1478952
There's a chamber in-between the actual seats and the exits.
After he exits the sub, the door of the chamber (the one leading out, not in) would remain open, thus no water would ENTER where Tsugumi is.

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>>1478963
That's what I'm talking about. This chamber is unmistakebly part of the sub, meaning any water entering there would be adding to the weight of the sub and thus lowering it's buoyancy. And since the chamber was at least large enough for Takeshi to fit in and close the lid behind him the water would easily outweight him.
The only possible explanation left would be that the kick Takeshi gave the cab was so strong that the momentoum carried the sub to the surface. Meh.

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>>1478963

I believe he meant the water that entered before Takeshi left the sub.

O 2 C 1 S

Takeshi opens door 1 and enters the chamber C, then closes door 1. Takeshi opens door 2, water floods in, Takeshi leaves the sub. Tsugumi remains in room S, where the seats and the control panel are. That anon is worried about water remaining in C weighing even more than Takeshi.

Though, the water would leave the chamber C through the second door, together with Takeshi, wouldn't it?

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>>1478974
If the chamber door was left open after Takeshi exited the sub, no more water would be entering into the sub. The chamber would know by filled with water, yes, but since the door is open the chamber is essentially outside of the sub, meaning it would have no effect on the buoyancy. This had me confused for awhile too, but it makes sense now that I've thought about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478974
>This chamber is unmistakebly part of the sub, meaning any water entering there would be adding to the weight of the sub and thus lowering it's buoyancy.

Since the chamber door is open after Takeshi ejects out of the sub, the chamber is essentially outside of the sub. No water is being held inside.

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>>1478989

Fuck you, you just completely ruined the manly tears shed in that scene

[Anonymous No.]

I can relate to Takeshi. I thought it was awesome that him getting into Tsugimi's pants (skirt) was canon. After reading the Qualle scene for the first time I wasn't quite sure whether they had sex but I fapped anyway. Damnit, it was better than any sex scene.

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>>1479022
FFFFFFFF

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>>1479016

Something like that. Though we were all out of chicken and found a new - unending - source of meat. What was it called again....Jungarian Hamster?

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>>1478986
I can't remember wheter Takeshi closes the door 2 or not after leaving the sub. But why the heck should the water leave the door 2 together with Takeshi? The moment he opened the door the air left and water flew in, so in order to avoid creating a vacuum the water has to stay inside even after Takeshi leaving the sub.

What I'm not quite sure of, does the archimedes principle apply to the Chamber C with the door is left open? It could be like that one guy said that since there is a fluid exchange between O and C that the archimedis principle only applies to the material the sub is made of and no longer the Chamber C and the air/water that was/is inside.

Fuck I'm confused.

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>>1479034
lol physics in animu/gaems
BRBR just gonna dive with this hueg stone tied to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>1479034
Yes, the water fills the chamber after Takeshi leaves the sub, but the chamber is no longer INSIDE of the sub, since the second door is open.

[Anonymous No.]

TAKESHI IS KEIICHI
TSUGUMI IS RIDER
YOU IS SAKURA
SARA IS RIN

[Anonymous No.]

>>1479034
IIRC, the air pressure inside the submarine was higher than the water pressure outside. So, when he opened the lid, the water would not be able to enter the sub for a while, until the pressure becomes equal. So he had enough time to close the lid, seeing how the air was still pouring out of the sub while he was already outside.
P.S.This explanation doesn't make much sense even to me, but there is something wrong with my ability to express myself in English since this morning.

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>>1479204
Not even close.

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>>1479250
Doesn't get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1478974
perhaps the outer compartment works like a diving bell?

[Anonymous of Germany !WvzhzxDiIQ No.]

>>1479823

You know, I always blamed these hints at the fact that this is some kind of Kagetsu Touya like infinty loop (it says that at the fucking end) and Tsugumi somehow got the ability to remember a previous incarnation. Guess I was wrong.

On another note: What is the Yamanote Line game?

[BlickWinkel !arWAHAn1/. No.]

More hints:
When Tsugumi eats the hotdogs in Kid's route, she says that "Takeshi" is angry because it threw off his schedule.
"Takeshi" then tells Tsugumi to get fat and drown in the Mariana Trench.
When Kid asks why she acts so suspicious of everyone, she answers that "they're trying to do the things the same way."

[Anonymous No.]

I still don't know who kicked the can

[Anonymous No.]

>>1480017
Blick Winkel

[Anonymous of Germany !WvzhzxDiIQ No.]

>>1480017
http://www.kgptzac.info/ever17/d_kickethecan.html

This link was posted earlier in this thread and is fucking useful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1482181
I noticed that as well.

I was going to post on 4chan about it, but decided to wait until after Coco.

[Anonymous No.]

Another hint that there are two separate events is in You's route in the scene in the security room. When they're talking about the timeline of events, there's a subtle "mistake" made regarding the current year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1479258
Seiyuus

[Anonymou No.]

>>1482181
>>1482250

[Anonymous No.]

>>1482181
>>1482250
I don't get it.

[Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A No.]

>>1483390
You'haru's father was the guy in Himmel in 2017. You'aki thinks You'haru is Yukie. Yukie is dead.

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>>1479204
.... no. just no.

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>>1484690
See >>1482203, idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is still live? Fucking awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

can someone set me up with a translation? or tell me who did it.

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>>1485110

It's english-only for PC