/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Very soon we will receive a new set of moonbitches. Are you ready?

[Anonymous No.]

With every single passing manga and game I am more convinced that the entire cast save for a few mavericks are assholes. The new moonbitches will be no different.

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>>13886618
It took you this long to realize? How fucking new are you tbh

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>>13886591
Fuck them, Laguya is still the only Lunarian I need

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>>13886637
*Kaguya

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>>13886618

I thought that's common knowledge.

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>>13886646

She's great. But more lunarian wonder pussy is always good.

[Anonymous No.]

Seiran is enough for me. Ringo is already pushing it a bit too much. Was there someone else? Whatever. I don't need anymore moonsluts.

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>>13886717

I really wonder who have better pussies between lunarians and moon rabbits.

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>>13886725
The younger, the better. Ain't that how it usually goes?

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>>13886725
Are you seriously comparing dispensable cannon fodder to god-like creatures?

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>>13886740

Rabbits fuck like crazy and they live on the "pure" Moon since forever. Their bodies should be just as good.

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>>13886591
TH15 was made obviously for the moonbitches to be beaten in battle and calm people's anger from SSiB, but as always there'll be a tea party at the end.

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>>13888292
They won't appear in the game I bet. Or maybe their fight will have only survival cards or your shots won't do enough damage to defeat them before cards time out.

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>>13886591
Have they even got over the fact that they are overpowered as fuck? Is Zun actually trying to kill Reimu or is she going to go full saiyan in the last game?

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>>13886725
Lunarian, if only because of how upset they'd be about it.

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>>13888292

You really think ZUN still cares about that crap?

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>>13888491
I bet there are some people that just won't let him forget about it. They probably send him postcards every day with SSiB scenes where Reimu and others lost those fights against Watatsukis.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been ready for Ringo lewds for a while now.

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>>13888340
Reimu herself is pretty damn overpowered

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>>13888600
Yes!

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>>13888340
>Have they even got over the fact that they are overpowered as fuck?
Please. There's 2-3 things in Gensokyo alone that are more powerful than they are. You don't see anyone bitching that Eiki could take the entirety of the cast for a ride on the pain train.

[Anonymous No.]

We already have the best moonbitch.

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>>13886618
The whole entire metaplot of Touhou revolves around a bunch of snide and catty women pretending to be friends while taking passive-aggressive jabs at eachother. It's like Mean Girls: The Anime.

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>>13888765
Passive aggressive?

They beat the holy fucking shit of each other.

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>>13888765
>Touhou
>Anime
Jesus christ.

I'm quoting your post.

[Anonymous No.]

When I hear the word "earthling," I reach for my revolver!

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>>13888873
And my dick!!!

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>>13888876
which one first?!

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>>13888722
>There's 2-3 things in Gensokyo alone that are more powerful than they are

There really aren't. At best they are equal to them.

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>>13888722
She doesn't have control over the moonbitches, especially Yorihime who can channel all of the 8 million gods. Also Eiki can be beaten in spellcard battles, even by Mystia. Yorihime beat the MCs on her first spell card battle that was just explained to her in a few seconds.

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>>13888491
It's why he's bringing up the moon aliens again, even after 1 game and 3 goddamn books dedicated to them.

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>>13888340
Remember Reimu gets stronger as time goes even without doing any training (incident-solving notwithstanding), hence why she suddenly could fly on her own and her ofuda went from becoming her bomb (touhou 1) to her weakest standard shot. She's also getting aid from Eirin iirc.

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>>13888340
Reimu is going full saiyan to defeat the moonsluts and Tsukuyomi to re-vindicate her status as omnipotent being.

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>>13888782
That's like a standard salute for them.

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>>13888340
Yorihime is probably the EX boss.

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>>13888745

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>>13889479

Maybe he just likes them. He never gave a shit about what fans think or want.

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>>13889542

I wish. And Toyohime is phantasm.

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>>13888292
ZUN said he wanted to tell more stories with the Watatsukis, but they have no reason to interact with the rest of the cast. TH15 was obviously made to expand the lunar roster so that the Watatsukis have people to talk to.

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>>13889560
Toyohime's stronger?

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>>13889562
>ZUN said he wanted to tell more stories with the Watatsukis
Where did you get that from?

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>>13889579
Interview of SoPM.

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>>13889472
>She doesn't have control over the moonbitches, especially Yorihime who can channel all of the 8 million gods.
Eiki reports to Lord Enma, who has direct control over the Moonbitches. Moreover, Reimu has that power as well and similarly would be obliterated by Eiki.

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>>13888340
They are just as powerful as the plot allows them to be, if the heroines are suppose to beat them in TH15 they will no matter "what powerlevel /jp/ says everyone have".

Even Cirno would be able to beat everyone in Gensokyo if it would be needed for the plot, that's how writing works and always will work.

There's no reason at all the be discussing the 2hus "powerlevel" because in the end it will not matter at all.

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>>13889632
>Eiki reports to Lord Enma, who has direct control over the Moonbitches
Eirin is the moonbitches' master but she's deadly afraid of their powers as well as Yukari, who's weaker than them.
> Moreover, Reimu has that power as well
She doesn't, she just used 2 for non-combat reasons and had to train extensively just to use them, whereas Yorihime can channel all 8 million in combat. Also ZUN has lately made Reimu so dumb she completely forgot she had that ability that she casually used twice before. And again, she and everyone else beat Eiki, whereas Yorihime beat everyone in a row on her very first spellcard battles.

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>>13889647
>Even Cirno would be able to beat everyone in Gensokyo if it would be needed for the plot
You'd think that but she is the first case where even playing as her still ends up with you losing after ''beating'' Marisa in Fairy Wars...something that was done to a less extent in her Soku story mode so it was probably the usual ZUN's Marisa favoritism that started with GoM.

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>>13889632
Eiki serves Enma, Yorihime can merely use his power as one of many others she can use but doesn't serve/obey him, she just serves Tsukuyomi which is another god arguably on the same level as Enma.
Eiki and Yorihime are most likely on the same tier in terms of raw power without spell card rules.

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>>13889647
Or maybe Zun really wants to have someone that is actually more powerful than Reimu so she can return to be a more normal protagonist.

[Anonymous No.]

How big would be the shitstorm if Reimu gets beaten twice in her own game?

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>>13889736
She's the character that's been beaten the most times, after Marisa.

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>>13889724
>Or maybe Zun really wants to have someone that is actually more powerful than Reimu
Except he already has a bunch besides the moonbitches: Yukari, Eiki and Tenshi.
>so she can return to be a more normal protagonist.
Why would that change anything? Nothing changed when she was beaten before.

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>>13889724
Well the plot needed her to be beaten in SSiB, just imagine how the story would go if they actually successfully "invaded" the moon.
And if the Moonbitch sisters are now featured in TH15 they will most likely be beaten by the heroines, because the plots needs them to be beaten in that case.

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>>13889768
She's the most powerful danmaku wielder and keeps getting stronger by the time, it could be a good chance to make everyone stop assuming she will keep getting stronger for no real reason.

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>>13889772
>And if the Moonbitch sisters are now featured in TH15 they will most likely be beaten by the heroines, because the plots needs them to be beaten in that case.
You make it sound like the plot is something different that affects the outcome, when the plot is the outcome and everything else itself. The plot states that Yorihime is stronger than the MCs because of the outcome of that battle, and if the moonbitches are beaten this time around, it will mean that the MCs are _now_ stronger than the moonbitches. Being playable isn't enough to warrant a character beating a certain opponent, see: Cirno in Fairy Wrs.

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>>13889790
Not that guy very stupid assumption.

Reimu would be strong as Yorihime if she trains like her/has her experiences.

They have the same goddamn god summoning shrine maiden power.

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>>13889790
>She's the most powerful danmaku wielder
Uh, no, she's been beaten the most times out of any other character besides Marisa. Particularly by Tenshi who was in not-fuck-around-anymore mode and Yorihime.
>it could be a good chance to make everyone stop assuming she will keep getting stronger for no real reason.
But it is a fact that she gets stronger without training due to being the hakurei shrine maiden, so why are you treating it as an assumption? Hell Marisa is stated to be jealous of that power of hers.

And it's not like that affects anything about her character that would make her a ''normal protagonist'' when she already has been beaten so many times.

[Anonymous No.]

Reisen is where it's at.

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>>13889827
the most incompetent bunny ever known to man.

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>>13889834
Oh please, say that again when she beats whoever behind this game and restores the righteous reign of her (former) masters.

Reisen is best moon soldier.

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>>13889839
she'll probably trip and split her dumb bunny head open.

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>>13889841
Her ears would protect her.

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>>13889794
>The plot states that Yorihime is stronger than the MCs because of the outcome of that battle, and if the moonbitches are beaten this time around, it will mean that the MCs are _now_ stronger than the moonbitches.
Or it might not be just that simple, for example maybe the "invader/heroines" in SSiB lost because none of them actually gave a fuck about winning.

>Remillia
The "invasion" was just another of Remillias shenanigans she does because she was bored, I doubt that she was really fought serious.

>Sakuya
She was just coming along with Remillia and probably does not really give a fuck either because she knows it's just one of her masters silly shenanigans and if she won that would make Remi upset because then she would not get to fight the moonbitch.

>Reimu
She actually just came along on the "invasion" because she was bored and probably didn't give a fuck either and was not that serious either.(even if it was shown that she was frustrated, that is because Reimu is a silly bitch)

>Marisa
She came along because she's just for the funz and probably didn't give many fucks either.

>Yorihime
Her home planet got invaded by "filthy earthling" that tried to conquer it, so she probably fought on dead serious and gave plenty of fucks in that battle.

My point is that the "invaders" probably did not even fight that serious and had no real reason to win the battle while the moonbitch was dead on serious and probably fought that fight with all her strength.

All that and the outcome would actually be retarded if the "invaders" did win the battle and invaded the moon for real.

[Anonymous No.]

Reisen is Yorihime's illegitimate child!!!

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>>13889853
the ones that look floppier than my dick and seem like they're attached to her head with buttons?

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>>13889822
I'm not saying she's invincible, I'm saying there's no one she cannot defeat. That makes her the most powerful danmakuist.
The assumption is not that she keeps getting stronger, but that everyone just think of it as a given despite never having this ability fully explained and not knowing if it has any limitations.

Her having a limit as to how powerful she can become, who she can beat, makes room for other scenarios in which she's not the first and last resource for every game.

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>>13889869
Ye.

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>>13889862
>for example maybe the "invader/heroines" in SSiB lost because none of them actually gave a fuck about winning.
Having your danmaku eaten and your master spark split in two is doesn't mean ''not giving a fuck'' and more ''completely curbstomped''. Also Reimu is the only one that didn't give a shit.
>The "invasion" was just another of Remillias shenanigans she does because she was bored, I doubt that she was really fought serious.
She's the one that wanted to win the MOST.
>She was just coming along with Remillia and probably does not really give a fuck either because she knows it's just one of her masters silly shenanigans
Desperate excuses you're reaching here.
>She came along because she's just for the funz and probably didn't give many fucks either.
Also wanted to win, her danmaku got completely destroyed.

You also seem to forget that they proposed the danmaku battle because they were fearing for their lives, they HAD to win.
>Her home planet got invaded by "filthy earthling" that tried to conquer it, so she probably fought on dead serious and gave plenty of fucks in that battle.
She's the one that was actually carefree, shown by eating Marisa's danmaku and casually splitting her signature move in two. Hell she didn't even get to use her 8 million gods.

You really just went ass backwards there, the protags are the ones that wanted and needed to win. There's absolutely nothing showing that the protags didn't fight seriously other than Reimu.

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>>13889577
She's Yukari's parallel, right down to power over borders.

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>>13889873
>I'm saying there's no one she cannot defeat.
She cannot defeat (serious) Tenshi or Yorihime.
>Her having a limit as to how powerful she can become,
It doesn't matter, because even if she loses you can just say her innate power-building hasn't reached the level of her opponent yet, or hell, just say that she hasn't trained enough since she has the same power as Yorihime.

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>>13889899
Don't forget sleeping all day!

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>>13889899
That doesn't answer the question. Also Toyohime's weapon is a nasty fan whereas Yukari just does gaps and lasers.

[Anonymous No.]

ZUN implied Yori is stronger than Toyo because in this universe, the little sister is usually stronger.

[Anonymous No.]

Toyohime has a very detailed but deadly power, to connect land and sea, to turn the moon into its realistic state (no oxygen, no live).

Yorihime's power is unlimited, the 8 million is just a random number that means infinite in Japan, sorta like "hundred" means a lot in China.

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>>13889906
So far everyone like you just assumes she COULD beat Tenshi and Yorihime if she trains hard enough or gets dead serious about it.
But what if she really can't, what if there's really a threshold and she can't beat Yorihime doesn't matter what she does?

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>>13889942
iirc the one god that Yorihime can't channel is Dragon, who's the big cheese in this universe, even above Amaterasu.

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>>13889962
The dragon thing is ZUN's OC and doesn't matter that much in the big scheme of thing.

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>>13889962
The dragon hasn't done anything significant besides being somehow involved in the sealing of Gensokyo, there's nothing pointing out to him being relevant in any way

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>>13889961
But, again, if she loses that won't mean that her innate power building has a limit, it just means it hasn't reached the level of her opponent yet. Plus even without that power you can just say she just has to train like every shonen protagonist. I mean, I believe Yorihime got a some notable ''battle scratches'' on her in the SSiB battle so she's beatable. Those always mark a character's defeatability and the lack of them usually means that character is unfazed.

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>>13889969
>The dragon thing is ZUN's OC
Well duh, that's why I said ''in this universe''.
>and doesn't matter that much in the big scheme of thing.
He's the one that created Gensokyo, is the highest god of all and everyone fears him.
>>13889984
> there's nothing pointing out to him being relevant in any way
PMiSS states he's the highest god of all and that every human and youkai worships him.

If LLC was a shonen manga it would have Reimu somehow channeling him to beat Yorihime.

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>>13890007
He didn't seal Gensokyo.

The ancient sages did.

Dragon just shows up that one time when the sealing is completed or something like that.

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>>13890007
>>13890015
It was more like they informed Dragon about it before and after the process

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>>13889986
That's the point I'm making, maybe Zun wants to put a limit to the innate power building gimmick so he has more room for scenarios which aren't dependent on Reimu's ability to keep everything and everyone under control at the end no matter what.

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>>13889896
>She's the one that wanted to win the MOST.
Yeah... you seriously believe that?

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>>13890007
The dragon isn't even acknowledged by the Lunarians so that alone makes it irrelevant to the grand scheme of things.

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>>13890026
>maybe Zun wants to put a limit to the innate power building gimmick
Again, her losing wouldn't affect that in the slightest since it just means it hasn't reached the power of her opponent yet so why do you keep bringing it up?

Also, that ''power building gimmick'' has NEVER mattered except for the time Reimu didn't need Genji anymore, and ZUN doesn't care for PC-98 anymore so so much for that. I doubt ZUN even remembers that Reimu has that power since the last time it was mentioned (or mattered) was in SSiB. Reimu losing, which she has done so many times and the incidents have still ended, won't change anything about her.
>>13890031
Yes, you're telling me she just went to the whole ordeal of making a spaceship to the moon to conquer it just to fool around at the end?

Was the fire on her wings also a joke?

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>>13890061
No, it just means they don't know him/ZUN forgot. Doesn't change a thing about dragon.

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>>13890063
You know who Remillia is right? and yes to that she's exactly the type of character that would do something like that to fool around.

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>>13890081
>You know who Remillia is right?
Yeah, a spoiled brat, these kinds of feats like stubbornly conquering the moon perfectly fit her character. Seriously, there's absolutely nothing saying that she didn't right seriously. Not only did she want to conquer the moon, she was fighting against someone would have easily killed them the moment they arrived.

Again, her wings caught on fire, that's no joke.

[Anonymous No.]

Remi is those kids who would say "psstt I would beat you if I was serious" after getting beaten in a fight, so it's pointless to argue if she's serious or not.

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>>13890031
>>13890063
More like "It's okay if I win, but I don't give a shit if I lose"

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>>13890097
>right
*fight.

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>>13890063
You keep missing the idea. She keeps reaching, matching and exceeding the power of her opponents because of the power building ability, I'm talking about what if she could no longer keep upgrading herself.
The fact that incidents have ended with her losing have nothing to do with the underlying fact that she could beat the shit out of any Youkai the second time she tried, making her loss totally insignificant.

[Anonymous No.]

>There's absolutely nothing showing that the protags didn't fight seriously other than Reimu.
This is how someone who fights "seriously" looks after being defeated? I don't think so....

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>>13890164
She actually looks mad/annoyed.

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>>13890142
>She keeps reaching, matching and exceeding the power of her opponents because of the power building ability
How do you know she isn't already stronger than them? You just pulled that out of your ass. For all you know, she could be stronger than all the opponents she's beaten since TH06 without the power-building thing. Also, again, that power hasn't even been mentioned since SSiB and Reimu hasn't gotten any visible upgrades since she gained the ability to fly. Hell besides the power-building, she has the ability to fly out of reality and still be able to attack the opponent but she has only been shown to do that twice (or once if the CoLA battle is the one Marisa used for her article in GoM and not two separate fights), against Marisa, completely curbstomping her. ZUN has never addressed how can she even lose having that power, she doesn't even have Fantasy Heaven in her usable spellcards outside of Soku and a special gameplay mode in IN.
>The fact that incidents have ended with her losing have nothing to do with the underlying fact that she could beat the shit out of any Youkai the second time she tried
Uh, no, the incidents always end on her first try. Whenever she loses it's because the incident is already over (or there was no incident in the first place as is the case for TH09). She has never gone for a rematch after a loss, this is the most visible in HM after losing to Miko, where she just stays home afterwards and doesn't fight her again.

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>>13890177
Now you're just getting ridicules.

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>>13890202
She ain't smiling.

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>>13890164
You don't fight jokingly when your life is at a stake. Sakuya is just being Sakuya, the cool-headed maid. You can have that expression after losing with your full power, remember how Goku remained happy even after losing?

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>>13890217
Her life was not at stake, they played with the Spell Card Rules or whatever it's called.
And with the way she smiled and how she talked to Remi, it was just like she had a fun experience and was enjoying the fight.

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>>13890255
>Her life was not at stake,
They proposed the spellcard battles as a replacement for Yorihime murdering them horribly in a non-spellcard battle, beating her was the only way for her not to carry the deed. But in the end it was settled that Reimu was useful in clearing Yorihime's name to the lunarians who thought the god-meddling had been done by the latter.
>And with the way she smiled and how she talked to Remi, it was just like she had a fun experience and was enjoying the fight.
Yeah just like Goku, completely irrelevant in trying to argue that she wasn't fighting at full power. Losing also disappoints her master, hence why she apologizes.

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>>13890191
Even is she was already stronger than all of them and every time she lost it was because she got distracted, it doesn't change the fact that she could have won if she wanted (or didn't get distracted).
So far no one challenges this fact, so the plot always boils down to the incident solving itself or Reimu reestablishing the order.

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>>13890281
And losing here wouldn't change that.

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>>13890274
She also apologizes when she was unable to catch Lily in Strange and Bright Nature Deity even though it would be impossible, and just like in SaBND Remilia playfully criticizes her for that, it is in NO way serious.

> Losing also disappoints her master, hence why she apologizes.
As you can see here she clearly didn't really want Sakuya to win because she want to be the one who fight the moonbitch in the end and sheonly criticized Sakuya because that's just Remis character.

It really seems like you have no idea at all just what kind of character really Remi is.

We could even argue like I said before that Sakuya also did not fight seriously because she knows that Remi is the one who wants to fight in the end.

>They proposed the spellcard battles as a replacement for Yorihime murdering them horribly in a non-spellcard battle, beating her was the only way for her not to carry the deed.

And please do not spread bullshit like that, let me quote directly from the manga : "And if we lose, We'll go back to earth quietly"- Marisa and the moonbitch agreed to that.
Have you even read SSiB?

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>>13890319
If Reimu really can't beat Yorihime no matter how hard she tries and the incident doesn't sorts itself out, that would be significant. Losing in this case would actually mean something.

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>>13890353
Luckily, there are other protagonists.

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>>13890345
>She also apologizes when she was unable to catch Lily in Strange and Bright Nature Deity even though it would be impossible
What does that matter? This is being disappointed for losing a fight.
>As you can see here she clearly didn't really want Sakuya to win because she want to be the one who fight the moonbitch in the end and sheonly criticized Sakuya because that's just Remis character.
And Sakuya is distraught, because she initially apologized for losing, that's what matters here, not what Remi thinks.
>It really seems like you have no idea at all just what kind of character really Remi is.
None of what you said even remotely affects the point that they didn't fight at full power, hell if anything you've just made Remi doing it more believable since she's such a serious, spoiled brat.
>We could even argue like I said before that Sakuya also did not fight seriously because she knows that Remi is the one who wants to fight in the end.
See above, she's distraught and legitimately thought she had disappointed her master because of her loss.
>And please do not spread bullshit like that, let me quote directly from the manga : "And if we lose, We'll go back to earth quietly"- Marisa and the moonbitch agreed to that.
Whatever, doesn't change the above. With your excuses you can say that no loss ever matters and that x character wasn't being serious out of your bullshit assumptions.

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>>13890353
>If Reimu really can't beat Yorihime no matter how hard she tries
For the 50th time, that wouldn't matter, she could lose 60 billion times and it still wouldn't change the fact that she still has the power building ability that will eventually make her stronger as well as the possibility of training.

Also that would never happen anyway because ZUN. It's silly to even suggest it.

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>>13890364
Who? One can safely assume Reimu is the only capable of beating the moonsluts because she can increase her power just by being idle.

[Anonymous No.]

We're getting into awful greentext wall here.

Let's skip it people.

Arguing whether Remi is serious or not is pointless due to her character.

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>>13890380
Holy shit you're just impossible, you get proven wrong time after time and just stretches things farther and farther.


You really need to read up on the characters some more, you have seriously no clue about Sakuya and Remillia characters and how the integrate with each others, you seriously think that everything Remi does is dead serious.

>See above, she's distraught and legitimately thought she had disappointed her master because of her loss.

Like if you really get that vibe from reading the manga I don't know what's wrong with you, but clearly you have not even read it considering how much you bullshit around.


This is getting way to autistic for me now. So I'm out now.

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>>13890416
There's no such assumption.

After all, Eirin said only the moon power can beat the moon, implying Reisen can defeat them.

And there's no sign that the princesses would be bosses, but entirely different faction anyway.

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>>13890406
The fact that Reimu lost so casually, or actually the fact that Yorihime won so casually her first danmaku battle means Zun is at least entertaining the possibility of making Yorihime unbeatable by danmaku.

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>>13890430
Yeah that's why both Eirin and Kaguya got they ass handed to them in IN

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>>13890430
Reisen is a joke character that literally just exists as a random plot device, moon rabbits are dispensable grunts on the same level or lower than fairies in Gensokyo.
Eirin was just making a point about Lunarians having their own deities and means of fighting/ solving incidents so to say. If there was any implication, it was that Lunarians are inherently superior to any earth being.

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>>13890470
And later, Reisen beats Yukari, Yuyucow and Remilia.

Touhou powerlevel depends on plot/fluctuates, not set in stones.

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>>13890485
You are severely underestimating Reisen.

And Reisen is going to beat the true lunarians behind this incident anyway, proving that she's just as strong as the other protags.

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>>13890486
This so much!

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>>13890470
What would be the point of going all out and causing ruckus on earth if they are trying to go unnoticed? They lost on purpose.

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>>13890497
>They lost on purpose
Just like every other touhou character who got they ass handed to them.

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>>13890486
Absolute power levels are different from Danmaku power levels.

But as far as raw power goes: Legendary gods > Lunarians > Earthlings

[Anonymous No.]

>>13889969
>>13890061
>>13890077
"The Dragon thing" is a popular Shinto deity worshipped under many names, and the Watatsukis are based on his daughters.

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>>13890508
Lunarian control the gods, and some are god themselves.

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>>13890510
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryūjin

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>>13890510
The Tama sisters are the daughters of Ryuujin which is the Hyuga god of the seas post-Susanoo

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>>13890510
>>13890516
I didn't make the connection.

Sure does explain why the Watatsuki are fuck powerful, even stronger than Omoikane/Eirin.

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>>13890513
So far we can assume that in the Touhouverse Enma, Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are the only pre-humanity legendary gods.
The Watatsukis and possibly the moon rabbits, Eirin and Kaguya (even possibly humans) are direct descendants of those gods, and are able to "borrow/use/canalize" their power, but the gods remain independent.
The Earth Youkai and puny gods like Kanako are literally an invention of humans and are directly dependent upon them.

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>>13890585
Eirin exists the same time with Tsukiyomi actually.

She helps build the damn capital after all.

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>>13890589
Eirin is a fucking mystery, she might as well be the mother of all gods.

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>>13890585
I wonder what that makes the Yama then -- she's at LEAST on the same level as the Watatsukis, if not higher. Yet she's just a living statue.

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>>13890605
She's an extension of the power of Enma, in a way she's personifies the power of the god itself to take upon the task of judging Gensokyo creatures.
She would rank a little lower the moonbitches because she's just a vessel, a statue whose only purpose is to fulfill this role, even if her power is on par with them.

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You guys aren't serious are you? Yukari is clearly the strongest character in Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13890686
Perhaps you meant to say Maribel Hearn.

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>>13890698
Mary is just younger Yukari, silly

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>>13890585
Why Kaguya isn't as powerful as the other moon princesses?

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>>13889647
>"They are just as powerful as the plot allows them to be."

Thank you. This is a very, very good point that people often ignore. It's true in pretty much every story in existence; things happen a certain way not because of logic or rules, but because that's the way the author intended things to happen.

The Spellcard system is an excellent storytelling tool; despite being essentially a backwards justification for the gameplay itself, it allows ZUN to create characters with quite varied levels of power still interact in a story with each other in a meaningful way. Deliberate limitation is an excellent way to continue a series for a long time (something Dragonball fans probably don't understand).

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>>13890988
The spellcard system is a fucking mess, it works for gameplay, but becomes conflicting and ambiguous on printed media.

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>>13891016
How?

There's no big battle nonetheless, everyone be playing and chilling.

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>>13891037
The Lunar invasion wouldn't make any sense if you were controlling the characters.
Reisen and Tewi are OP for no reason.
Reimu can decide not to play by the rules.
Fairies are out of control.
And son on.

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>>13891065
Do you mean SSiB or the current lunar invasion on Earth?

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>>13891105
SS

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>>13891110
SsiB doesn't really fit the game format because Reimu and co are the bad guys and they start the incident.

And Reisen is never a weak character anyway. While Tewi is super old + luck incarnated.

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>>13891065
>The Lunar invasion wouldn't make any sense if you were controlling the characters.
Yorihime was the protagonist. Three enemies showed up to fight, used some spell cards, and Yori bombed them all. That's how the invasion is portrayed.

>>13891065
>Reisen and Tewi are OP for no reason.
????

>Reimu can decide not to play by the rules.
>Fairies are out of control.
The spell card rules are agreed upon by both parties to solve conflicts without needless destruction. Both of these are perfectly legitimate since they don't call for a duel in the first place.

>>13890804
Given that Lunarians basically don't die, royalty has many princesses across generations. Just being a princess probably doesn't automatically guarantee being OP. Kaguya's still pretty powerful, though.

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>>13890585
>>13890673
>Enma, god
I'm not sure where you're getting that assumption.

In any case, Eirin is also pre-humanity.

>>13890589
>>13890597
Eirin is really obviously meant to be Omoikane.

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>>13891128
Yorihime bombing doesn't abide to standard danmaku rules.
Whether for comedic purposes or plot progression, the rabbits abilities are on the same level or sometimes above those of main bosses and playable characters.
You don't need to call for a duel for spellcard rules to apply, they are supposed to be automatic even if it's just a random fairy lost in your backyard.

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>>13891172
Reisen is a goddamn main character now, what do you think?

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>>13890804
Kaguya and Eirin losing to the Reimu gang can't really be explained considering one is on the same level as primal gods and the other is a direct descendant of them, not to mention a true immortal.
Probably they just suck at danmaku or lost on purpose.

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>>13891181
They lost because they are the bad guys who start the incident.

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>>13891180
Reisen is a meme character, I would rather play as Koishi

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>>13891188
Whatever, point is Reisen is as strong as main character.

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>>13891185
That's just another reason why the spell card system doesn't make any sense and just further complicates things storywise.

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>>13891203
That's just wrong, having Eirin and Kaguya fighting for real and losing is COMPLICATING the series because you have to justify it with real power.

And that's powercreep right there.

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>>13891185
The people on /jp/ really need to start to get this, the one who wins are always the one that the story needs to win, not the one with the "highest powerlevel"

No "powerlevel" discussion will ever change that fact, especially when all the "powerlevel" talk you see here in /jp/ is purely speculation and nothing that is set in stone.

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>>13891191
I really hope ZUN pulls a Cirno with Reisen if she gets to fight her former mistresses.

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A powerlevel discussion? Can I join?

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>>13891218
Reisen is going to beat the villains of this game, who are going to be lunarians anyway.

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>>13891216
There are powerlevels in the print works that contradict with game canon and even between different publications, the fact that those powerlevels are forcefully tied to the spell card system just further mess things up.

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>>13891228
Because ZUN understand if he follows strictly the powerlevel, fucking canon-weak characters like Marisa wouldn't have any chance.

So it's all playfighting, even Cirno can beat everyone if she tries hard enough. The ultimate fair game.

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>>13891222
Pls go Demonbane and stay go

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>>13891228
Powerlevels does and will never matter in the end and you can see this in so many fictional works.

The best example would probably be Batman, nearly all his enemies has a way higher so called "Powerlevel" than him but he still manages to win all his fights, even his most iconic enemy probably has the lowest "powerlevel" of all his enemies, but is still the biggest threat.

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>>13891233
Then why the only time you can play as Cirno you can only beat other fairies?

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I just hope Reimu or Marisa (hopefully both) die so Sanae and Reisen can become the new protagonists.

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>>13891254
Remember PoFV.

And she beats Marisa.

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>>13891276
Her beating Marisa is sketchy. Cirno's the one beat and torn up at the end of the fight.

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>>13891276
I always assumed that she never actually beat anyone in POFV, she just goes around flower viewing and greets everyone with danmaku. You know, because even when she loses just a random comment about flowers is exchanged.
Cirno is the one to get beaten up by Marisa, the battle just ends because she was already getting tired of the fairy's bs

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>>13891172
>Yorihime bombing doesn't abide to standard danmaku rules.
Uh, don't talk as if the lunar invasion's duels "doesn't make sense" through game logic and then turn around and say it doesn't make sense outside game logic. You're all over.

>You don't need to call for a duel for spellcard rules to apply, they are supposed to be automatic even if it's just a random fairy lost in your backyard.
I would ask for a source but it doesn't exist.

>>13891181
>>13891203
are you just actually retarded

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>>13891276
>>13891309
To clarify, it was only hinted at the end of FW Extra that Cirno lost. Hatate's article about it confirms Marisa trounced her easily.

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>>13891381
>You're all over.
I just said spell card rules don't make sense on print works. Yorihime does some weird shit outside traditional game mechanics to win.

> it doesn't exist.
Except it does, there are various instances in the games where the protagonist crosses paths with a random fairy/youkai minding their own business and they just suddenly start firing lasers at each other.

>are you just actually retarded
Why so mad though

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>>13891421
>Why so mad though
i'm a bit disappointed that you're this thick, i didn't even realize you were the same person

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>>13889962
>even above Amaterasu

Nothing ever mentioned or even suggested that. Dragon is the most overrated thing in Touhou.

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>>13890585
>So far we can assume that in the Touhouverse Enma, Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are the only pre-humanity legendary gods

No, we really can't.

Also Enma is no longer the supreme lord of hell. Hell was changed centuries ago. 10 kings are not a thing anymore.

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>>13891547
Who is the boss of Yama then? Only thing they did was change locations, not administrations.

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>>13892673
>not administrations

They actually did. Because old system was too inefficient.

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>>13892759
Where are you taking this from?

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>>13892846

They made The Ministry of Right and Wrong. It's explained in PMiSS.

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>>13890510

I wish ZUN did more with that. Dragon's palace sitting at the bottom of moon seas sounds interesting.

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>>13893867
The sea palace is the same as the moon palace.

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More hatefuck material.

>>13889869
prosthetic bunny ears

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I was never a fan of Yori. But Toyohime is a fun character. I hope they are phantasm bosses or something.

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>>13891547
>10 kings are not a thing anymore
Of course they are. There are other Enma, but the 10 Kings still at the top (9 of which weren't originally "Enma" either). All Enma have the same authority on judgements, but that doesn't mean they significantly changed their hierarchy. You can straight-up go open PMiSS and see 「この組織のトップが、十人の閻魔王である。」 right there.