/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

I thought of you guys when I read this.

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[Anonymous No.]

>Eighty percent of people have intercourse in their teens

I stopped reading there.

[Anonymous No.]

tl;dr

[Anonymous No.]

I skimmed it, and it looks interesting.
age for support.

reading in full now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1364615
sage of agreement

[Anonymous No.]

reading is for faggots

[Anonymous No.]

>>1364615
>>1364625
If you consider the fact that "teens" includes the college ages of 18 and 19, it's not surprising. Most normalfags have sex before 20, or at the very least, claim to. Anyway, I suggest you read more. Don't you want to hear a Marxist's explanation of the proliferation of pedophilia throughout society?

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>>1364605
from the thumbnail I though: 'strike witches??'
then I was like ಠ_ಠ

[Anonymous No.]

46% of people have sex before 17

you're trying to tell me in those 2 years, it jumps up to 80%?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1364699
Considering that teens have a 10x more freedom those last two years, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Anonymous No.]

the author is obviously anti-sex, and seems anti-free market. "sexual revolution went astray" - thats bullshit.

I used to consider myself a feminist, until I took a "Gender Studies" class. women don't want equality, they want special treatment like time off work to shit out children. At the time a had a great deal of repect for my professor, who I also had for cultural anthorpology. What he said destroyed my favorable opinion of the social sciences,

quote "Women have babies. That is what defines women, thus they must be accomodated."

Idiocy. If I had to evaluate my current position, I would say that I am "post gender" in the way some people are "post race" - I am ready and willing to ignore race and gender when people stop using them as excuses.

I don't know how to classify my sexuality. I have no interest in 3d women, and I prefer the company (no homo) of men. I masturbate to 2d females as well as males. For me the ability to reproduce is like a vestigial organ. masturbation is a method for me to release tension - it tires me out these days so I time my daily session around a drop in the efficiency of my work. Its just cheap pleasure to maintain my productivity - if my dick fell off I would be fine without it, is all I'm saying.

I have goals unrelated to pleasure and consumption - my interests are engineering, biology, and chemistry. I'm not a robot or anything, for example, I love games and posting my life fucking story on imageboards. Its been a while since we had an intelligent thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1364704
"The biological function of a male is to impregnate as many women as he can, That's what defines a man, and they must be accommodated"

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>>1364704
The author isn't "anti-sex". He's merely saying that the sexual revolution has put sex on an unnecessary pedestal, which has resulted in a sort of commercialization of sex, and from that, youth. Which is somewhat true, even if there isn't necessarily a need to put it in market terms.

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>>1364705
As a former member of said "youth" I can attest to this.
I've graduated high school last year and am now in college, and I have little trouble accepting that statistic. My only evidence, sadly, is what I hear from my supposed "peers." It seems that all they talk about lately is drugs (marijuana mostly) and sex, and while it's more often the former than the latter; those two things being all they talk about adds up to an excessive amount of talk of sex. Even in the library at our community college I hear former classmates muttering on and on with one another about their sexual promiscuity. Even the girls seem to have no problem talking with the guys that are not their "partners" about when, where, why, and how often they have sex.

It's disgusting, frankly. Savages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1364625
It's correct, though startlingly disappointing for us who fall in that 20%.

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>>1364731
I am not contesting the truth of commercialization of sex, I'm just pointing out that the author considers it "bad". the world is anarchy no matter how much we pretend. "law" is a warning that someone will take revenge on you. commercialization of sex is just like commercialization of anything else - people are trying to maximize their expectation, whatever their goals may be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1364704
>>1364741
Holy shit why can't I meet people like this in real life?

My parents pretty much think I am gay just because I have no interest in 3D females of course I have even less interest in males but see if that stops people from jumping to conclusions. The fact that people look down upon asexuality as much as they do homosexuality and pedophilia shows how fucking correct the author is.

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>>1364741
>community college

should have gone to a private school, the male female ratio in my school is 20 males to 1 female.

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>>1364788
Are you calling me gay, good sir?

>>1364779
Eh, as "faggoty emo punk trendy lawl" as it sounds, I don't like putting labels on others sexuality or my own. I look at a person and either say "I'd hit it" or "I wouldn't hit it." Whether or not they want to, people attach certain expectations of behavior with the assorted sexual orientations. Really, I just don't think about sex very much, it was never a huge topic of interest for me. I see the average group of men looking a woman up and down saying "I'd tap that!" or the female version of the same to be pretty vulgar. Kind of shows a lack of self-control. I don't even know what I'm talking about at this point.

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>>1364756
Well, the author considers it bad mostly insofar as it's distorted our perception of what makes sex is desirable. Sex is merely a biological function that is pleasurable, like eating, and shouldn't be considered the forbidden fruit that defines who we are and our merits. And this has indirect influence on how we perceive other things, take pedophilia as an example. Although it's no different from other kinds of child abuse apart from its sexual nature, people see it as the highest evil that has been attained by humanity. If you ask the average person what evil was, I'm sure half of them would answer "Hitler" and the other half "pedophiles".

In college, half the people I meet have sex as their highest goal in life. It's all utterly irrational.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm 19 that means I can still be part of this 80% statistic Yeah right ;_;

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>>1364806
I dislike all arbitrary labels and socialized definitions. Terms like "gay" "straight" "friend" "boyfriend", "girlfriend" - even "homosexual" and "heterosexual" are very broad definitions that distort information.

story time:
I met a woman through one of my male friends, she did CONFESSION - we met up every three months or so, watched movies, played games, made out like retarded teenagers. this went on for two years -> I saw her 10 to 12 times total. how do you classify a relationship like that? I never introduced her as my "girlfriend" - whenever she called me her "boyfriend" it was awkward as hell. like I was supposed to behave a certain way, and we were supposed to do certain things. we never had intercourse - I didn't mind at the time, and I'm still glad I didn't. I'm not a prude, I just don't want to fuck anyone. heterosexual, boyfriend, etc. - none of that shit fits. using labels distorts information.

I don't know any females now. I have no interest in meeting any. if I had to pick a label I'd be asexual, but I'd prefer to just ignore labels entirely.

that was awful /r9k/, image /jp/ related.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1364788
Hey, I'm 80% male at this here private engineering school.

High-five!

Also, I'd recommend reading the full version (I'm too lazy to scan it), it's really rather interesting stuff.

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>>1364830
I'll fuck you <3

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>>1364806
>Really, I just don't think about sex very much, it was never a huge topic of interest for me.
Hello me.

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>>1364842
"Boyfriend" and "girlfriend" aren't "labels", however you're using that word. They're positions. It describes a relationship, NOT a person.

It was awkward for you because she was implying a relationship existed that, in your view, did not.

[Anonymous No.]

can we agree that 2d-oriented people have lower libido than the average population? keeping in mind that correlation != causation.

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>>1364741
Man, I had this same problem going through high school.

A much older friend of mine at the time told me it would probably get better in college, but when I got there it ended up being just the same. Maybe in her day people at the university we both went to were more focused on studies and learning for personal betterment, but they were the same as the people I went to high school with when I went there. They would give up almost any other commitment for the chance to have sex.

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>>1364862
thats accurate. you phrased it much better than I did.

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>>1364863
I doubt it, most anon fap alot, I personally have to cum at least once a day or else I won't be able to sleep.

[athens !SysNpnp3nU No.]

It raises a good point, when you've finally smashed down the last more, overrun the last tower of morality and percieved wisdom, broken through the last lines of what we call morality.

Where do you go from there?

I mean.... In a society that accepts everything, where everything goes, no matter how 'sordid' or 'immoral' - where do you go from there? I mean, that's the liberal dream isn't it, what do you do from there?

For me liberalism seems inherently defeatist, it's basically a point of 'people are going to do this anyway so let's just legalize/accept/welcome it with open arms'. Imagine if such people had made up the Roman Senate after Hannibal defeated them at Cannae....

[Anonymous No.]

Oh god, I thought I was the only one who didn't particularly care about getting laid all the time. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's fucking fantastic, but it just doesn't matter in the long run.

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>>1364863
That depends on how you define "libido," since the word is used to describe a wide range of things. In the sense that we are not driven to act primarily by our sexual drive, then yes, I think ours tends to be lower. However, most of us masturbate just as often (and possibly more often) than people interested only in real women, and in that sense our "libido" or sexual drive is the same.

[Anonymous No.]

I love this topic already. I was a misanthropist way before I was a weeaboo. I'm not a 2Dfag though, I enjoy 3D but only in porn and pretty much only asian idols and children (boy and girl)... I hate everyone I see outside of my room and I have no interest in sex with the girls/boys around me. So, I don't really know how to classify myself, I am technically bi but I guess I never really thought human sexuality was such a black-and-white issue in the first place so it's hard to draw a line. Now the only thing that turns me on is fetish JAV and children (3D and 2D). I've fucked myself up beyond recognition, and I owe it all to my lack of social skills. I have never had sex and probably won't for quite a long time with the way things are going now. Hell, I've never even kissed a girl and I haven't even hugged a girl in years. 18 btw.

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>>1364890
>athens !SysNpnp3nU

[athens !SysNpnp3nU No.]

It's also odd that as people become more tolerant of sex in it's every form, the more inversely intolerant they become of the opposite, that is, abstaining from it, or having a limited number of sexual partners etc. And I dont mean from any religious justification.

It's all very odd and all.

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>>1364890
>athens
FUCK. NOT AGAIN.

[Anonymous No.]

Can we just ignore athens and not turn this topic into shit?

That'd be great.

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>>1364902
>>1364909

same person.

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>>1364899
>it's fucking fantastic

if you've had sex you dont belong here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1364595
Thanks, that was interesting.
>thread
Fuck that

[Anonymous No.]

>>1364926
I think you forgot your sage.

Here, have mine.

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>>1364908
Yes, I believe that was part of the point of the original work.

[athens !SysNpnp3nU No.]

>>1364932
The point of the OPs extract was what >>1364731 said. He only alluded to what I said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1364922
get out you unvirgin.jpg

But I'm one of you! I prefer 2D, have no friends and everything!

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>>1364890
Well, as Spengler would say, the people are never truly "free." There's still a moral authority in society, but instead of being dictated by religion or the state, it's dictated by the media market. Which, obviously, is bound to fall apart, at which point it will be back to square one.

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>>1364699
At 17, you're ready.

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>>1364929
>>1364926
>>1364922
>>1364915
>>1364909
>>1364902
It seems to me, gentlemen, that in your general hate of this "athens" for ruining your threads, you have indeed begun to ruin your own thread. Mend your ways, lest you, upon your seat of ignorance, crumble to dust and be cast off by the wind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1364860
>Really, I just don't think about sex very much, it was never a huge topic of interest for me.

I thought I was the only one, to me it seems that the only reason why teens want a girlfriend/boyfriend is for the sole purpose of sex, then again it is sort of coded into us.

To me spending my days with someone who I could share mutual interests and affection is more than enough, and if it one day leads to sex I more than welcome it. However, both of those things are not necessarily at the top of my list and if it never happens I wouldn't really care.

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>>1364954
Necessary sacrifice.

If athens posts in a thread, it has to be nuked.

[Anonymous No.]

wait so sex makes babies?

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>>1364954
God damn it athens stop shitting up this thread

[Anonymous No.]

Basically, for my whole life up until now I never was really interested in sex or anything 3D for that matter, even before I got into anime. For some reason even with models I just wasn't attracted to them. I didn't care if they were ugly or not, it’s just that nothing ever popped up into my mind when I looked at them. People would think something was wrong with me because I never had any particular interest in anyone's looks. I would only find 1 or 2 attractive people a year but that's pretty much it. After getting into anime I realized I had stopped spotting those 1-2 people. Now I’m just pretty much completely apathetic when it comes to anything 3D related, but I guess I was already like that in the first place. But yeah, anyway, it was pretty annoying how 90% of the conversations I listened to were always composed of sex, drugs, porn, etc. I mean, seriously, how can you fucking NOT get tired of that? It’s shallow, trite, and vapid. Why can’t people just talk about something else? Is sex really that big of a deal?

Honestly…

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>>1364955
Like the other fellow mentioned, sex is (should be? shouldn't be?) a biological desire much like eating. It's pleasurable and satisfies a need; It shouldn't however, become something one constantly seeks as the primary goal of their relationships or God forbid, existence. The same way one eats an apple because it tastes good and fills you, you shouldn't eat apples constantly, or run through the orchards like a mad man, searching for that last apple, only for the pleasurable part of it (in the case of sex, either for the pleasure of it or more commonly to prove yourself to your peers, be they of the same sex or the opposite)

[Anonymous No.]

I feel a lot like some of the ads translated from that Chinese website. I'd like to get together and raise a family, but I don't want sex to have anything to do with the health of the relationship.

[athens !SysNpnp3nU No.]

>>1364987
Also, keep in mind it's one person.

[athens !SysNpnp3nU No.]

>>1364963
I haven't posted in this thread since.
>>1364940

Now anyway, what >>1364954 said was true. But they use it mostly as an excuse, they don't really care about the thread in the first place and just want an flimsy justification for sagebombing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1364963
You guessed wrong, Anonymous. I'm not athens

I don't even know who athens is or why /jp/ hates him.

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>>1364987
>athens !SysNpnp3nU
You're shitting up this thread even more. This post included, and the ones that will probably ensue after this because of you.

Stop posting and we'll stop the sagebombing. Or just post without your trip.

[Anonymous No.]

The author does a poor job at establishing any relationship between sexual conditioning by media saturation and pedophilia, but even suggesting it in an open forum would cause many idiots, who wisely keep their mouths shut as their normal habit, pipe up and reveal themselves out of fear of social stigma. She is a moron or a grand troll.

[athens !SysNpnp3nU No.]

>>1364998
>we're

just shut the fuck up and stop embarassing yourself already.

you are on your own here, nobody else cares, wage a one man war all you want, but it will direct anger at you, not me.

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>>1364890
Re: "a society that accepts anything"

suppose a society is composed of multiple agents that are devoid of morality: if an individual is devoid of morality, it means he will attempt to accomplish his goal at any cost. individuals with conflicting goals will recognize each other as enemies - no morality involved. a society without morals is not a society without conflict, winners, and losers.

I hypothesize that a society composed of agents with no concept of good and evil, that seek only to accomplish their goals, would be much more productive than a society that limits actions based on an absolute rule with no rational basis.

"You will succeed. Using every tool at your disposal, and making every necessary sacrifice. You will succeed, because at this moment, you are - "

"medical science has always been fighting current ethics and values to achieve progress. only through powerful conviction and will as string as steel can results be achieved. no matter how much you have to get your hands stained in blood"

[Anonymous No.]

But yeah, anyway, it was pretty annoying how 90% of the conversations I read on /jp/ were always composed of touhou, visual novels, doujin, etc. I mean, seriously, how can you fucking NOT get tired of that? It’s shallow, trite, and vapid. Why can’t people just talk about something else? Is Japan really that big of a deal?

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>>1365005
Guy who keeps saying you got permbanned and reports you all the time here

That's not me.

Enjoy being wrong.

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>>1365004
The author's name is "Mark Greif." I'm guessing that's a "he," not a "she."

[Anonymous No.]

Hmm anon, for not caring about sex at all you sure seem to talk about it a lot. Try to explain that one without resorting to the truth that is denial.

[Anonymous No.]

Stop ruining a good thread. Do you idiots know how to get rid of trolls? Ignore them! Sage bombing does nothing but plays into the trolls hands by ruining the thread.

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>>1364977
Oooh, "vapid," SOMEONE has been using their thesaurus.

As I've already said though, this is an extremely common phenomena, at least among my fellow high school students. It really shows to me at least, how plastic the human brain is and how easily it is affected by the social climate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365021
>Anonymous
>you (singular)
I hope you realize where your error is here.

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>>1365004
That's funny, because it was published in a literary journal and The Best American Essays for 2007, to say nothing of being written by a man.

[athens !SysNpnp3nU No.]

>>1365014
Nope it's you, but please continue. You're an embarassment. Enjoy your eventual ban for false reporting. I'm sure you've gotten warnings already.

>>1365006
>"medical science has always been fighting current ethics and values to achieve progress.

This is a tailored hypothetical anyway. You are elevating the elimination of more, morals and shame in regards to sex as equal to medical improvement.

I hold that in the case of sex, drugs and so on, it is simply a case of one generation outdoing another. There is no real productive reason to elevate sex to such an extent - It's just this competition between generations in how far the young can outdo the old in terms of depravity when they were young ,this has been going on since the end of the first world war in my opinion. Or at least that's when it started to really accelerate at a brisk pace.

Think of it like this, Beethoven smashed down some of the musical 'mores' of his time, not for any 'rebellious' reason, but because he felt they could be replaced with something better.

Do not confuse meaningless rebellion with rebellion for a purpose, for an established betterment of society/science/technology.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365021
ಠ_ಠ

I know you're a troll, but to address the point since it's an interesting discussion thread: sex is a huge part of the society at large, especially so in the current generation of teenagers. Discussion on the topic does not necessitate a need or desire for it anymore than discussing meth makes me a drug addict.

[athens !SysNpnp3nU No.]

>>1365021
That's like telling a Bangladeshi 'for someone who doesn't like floods, you sure talk about them a lot!'

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365045
Actually, not a single warning considering, you know, they ban you all the time.

Still reporting by the way. Wish mods didn't sleep at night.

I always call you AoAthens by the way, not athens. That's the way to recognize me

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365021
We don't care about sex. But it sucks being outcasts in the not-internet because of it, so it feels good to bitch about it sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

sure is /r9k/ in here :(

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365035
What makes you think that's a singular you instead of a plural you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365039
What was the most famous ship build in Spain in 1493?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365021
Anon is interested in sex, but not in the sense that sex for the sake of sex. Anon wants to be in loving relationships, and sex would be a part of that.

If you only want sex it's a simple matter of paying for a whore/real doll. But that won't solve the 'so ronery' problem.

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>>1365021
Well, it IS the topic of the thread.

Nobody is claiming that all anonymii are not particularly interested in sex, single individuals are claiming that. Besides, following with the previously used apple analogy, why not talk about sex? There is a board on this thread devoted to cooking and food. Just because you have no burning, all-consuming desire to have sex does not mean it is in no way a part of one's life. Which, actually, is one of the larger topics in the essay, that moderation or lack of interest does not equal social deficiency.

[athens !SysNpnp3nU No.]

>>1365055
>you know, they ban you all the time.

Hate to tell you bro, but I haven't been banned for 6 months and that was for a troll thread about FLCL on /a/.

So enjoy your meaningless reporting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365045
Oh gee, and look what happened. More shitposting! Congratulations!

[athens !SysNpnp3nU No.]

>>1365081
What have you added that's productive then, huh fucktard? You are only ruining this for everyone else, not me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365064
/r9k/ isn't capable of having this discussion, because they are the very same people who laud sex as the highest achievement in life that many people here are talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

Athens, I implore you, stop responding to this raving idiot. I don't know why collections of anonymous hate you. You may have done something that would make me hate you, but at this particular time, I don't care. Do as you say, and say as you do; stop responding to them and shitting up the thread. Just as them responding to you shits up a thread contrary to what they say they want to do, you responding back does the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365087
Hey buddy, you could have just ignored my post, now you had to reply AND make me respond.

That's 2 more shitposts! Congratulations, it's all thanks to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365068
What

[athens !SysNpnp3nU No.]

>>1365093
Fair enough. I usually ignore him, but I ran into a blatant underage b& on an /a/ thread about drinking who was accusing everyone else of being 'virgins' and 'losers' and his shit wasn't even properly sagebombed. So I'm in a bit of a bad mood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365051

Ah you got me (sort of, 'twas a half troll). But with the incredible amount of ronery present in this thread, it is definetly more than just "talking" about it, the emotional factor that comes from experience (or in this case, the lack of experience of sex).

To have a continuing discussion about anything, to bother even replying to this thread, shows an interest right? Talking about meth doesn't make you an addict, but displays the inherent interest of the subject at hand.

>>1365057

Yes you do. What we don't care about is any social association sex has, aka the bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365039
Good writing and good reasoning need not coincide. This essay is a reasonable example.

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>>1365004
He seems to do a rather good job of explaining how emphasizing youth as the ideal while simultaneously demonizing certain conduct past a certain point creates a trap of social standards which result in more pedophilia. In fact, it's pretty much the entire first third of the essay.

>>1365081
>>1365087
You're both ruining it by carrying on a petty flame war instead of contributing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365113
I can't tell if maybe it's because the abridged version sucks (I've read the full article), but I'm failing to see where his argument is so terrible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365074
It's more than just that, though. Practically by definition, posters here belong to an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CULTURE than our "peers". We have our own norms, values, and expectations that are vastly different than most of the people that we come in contact with.

Sex comes up often because firstly it's taken as incredibly important to the current "mainstream" culture, wheras ours assigns it to a more secondary role associated with what you do alone (masturbation, pornography, etc) or as occurring within the context of a relationship which takes precedence over the actual sexual act. On top of that, the majority of people who are attracted to our particular counterculture tend to be of the more introverted/rational types, which makes us less likely to be able to be able to just go fuck someone, or even be interested in just going out and fucking someone. So, whereas sex is considered almost a rite of passage into adulthood for the "mainstream", we tend to blur that line a bit more and consider the solving of the "ronery" problem to be a greater concern than just "getting laid".

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365091
That's the new /b/ for the most part. /r9k/ still has some roneryness, and the normalfags are all at least sexual deviants of some kind.

[not-the-other-sage-guy No.]

>>1365103
Wow, dude. Lurk moar.

[Anonymous No.]

The way I see it ,the only reason that someone would namefag on a anonymous board is because they want recognition, they want to build up an E-peen. They can be compared to a 16 year old child doing something dangerous just to impress his friends. The child wants recognition and acceptance, sadly the tripfags will never achieve their goals. Sadly most tripfags think that they will be remembered, guess what? You won't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365113
"Good" for an essay does, in fact, mean good reasoning and argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365112
>Yes you do. What we don't care about is any social association sex has, aka the bullshit.
Thanks for clearing up my priorities for me there, your majesty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365133
You're one of those, "Anonymous is legion, xD" types, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365128
Well, reading your post, I'm not sure that sex comes as a secondary role to ALL of anonymous. Indeed, I would say that even here that is a minority. Let's not kid ourselves here, while we seem to agree that sex is ideally a secondary "result" of a relationship, it is not often the case, and even your average Anonymous does not seem to see it that way most of the time. Most threads, it seems, are about sex in one way or another; and while we seem to masturbate more than your average Joe, desire for actual sex (with little girls, most of the time, not that I'm saying that's a bad thing!) seems to be the primary goal instead of the relationship. That or I've been on the joke end of a widespread satire. And yet again, I lost whatever point I was trying to make and ended up talking about nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1364599
>what passes as liberation has often been mere liberalization. Liberalization makes for a free traffic in goods formerly regulated, creating markets in what you already possess for free.
Stopped reading. Typical commie "everything owned and controlled by the government is really owned by all of us together" bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1365014
>>1364998
Ok we get it, shut up already you fags are becoming as annoying as the tripfags you hate so much.