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Ever notice that otaku culture as a whole is gradually appealing less and less to its intended local demographic? Like, the Japanese otaku is more enamored now with Western pop nerd culture more than ever before.

>> No.13626702

Pop nerd culture is a big thing now in the west, and west otaku have always been a thing but there are more of them now because western pop nerd culture is more popular.

>> No.13626710
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In the west "nerd" culture is boderline mainstream now, almost makes perfect sense that its becoming popular elsewhere.

>> No.13626724

>>13626702
Well yeah, but Japanese otaku had a sort of "indifference" period sometime between the late 80's to the early 00's. Star Wars was and still is a big thing there, but anything from the 90's just kinda puttered through with few exceptions (Powerpuff Girls come to mind.)

>>13626710
I doubt anything beyond comic book movie adaptations, AAA games and HBO dramas is seen as the "mainstream."

>> No.13626744

When hood niggas like Soulja Boy and Pharrell are singing about Gokus and waifus, I'm inclined to agree.

>> No.13626820

>>13626724
Otaku no Video (1991) was from a period of indifference?

>> No.13626853

>>13626744
Rappers have always been nerds.

>>13626690
Otaku stuff appeals to what otaku want. They've changed and so has the culture.

>> No.13626865

>>13626690
I get an impression from that post that you don't understand exactly what otaku culture is.

>> No.13626882

>>13626820
It was leaning towards that direction. It wasn't until EVA that Japanese otakus preferred their own nerd culture over the West.

>>13626853
>Otaku stuff appeals to what otaku want. They've changed and so has the culture.

Exactly the premise to my question. So you think this Westaboo phase is gonna pass and then they move on back to their local flavor?

>>13626865
Then what is it? Enlighten me.

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>>13626882
>So you think this Westaboo phase is gonna pass and then they move on back to their local flavor?

I don't understand your question. Nerds are nerds. They like Japanese nerd stuff and American nerd stuff. If you're referring to your OP pic, they aren't going to stop loving big breasted blonde girls any time soon. If you mean western cartoons, then it's because of western cartoons that anime even exists. They're going to keep copying them and the west is occasionally going to copy Japanese stuff.

The only otaku shift is the shift from actually nerd topics like giant robots with lightsabers and space adventures and D&D parodies to pure fetish topics like yurifag/yaoifag shows, giant titty softcore porn adventures, and otaku culture parodies.

The last one is the most bothering because it's gone from otaku stereotypes and (self)depreciation to "Boy! Us otaku, eh? So pathetic, but yet so great." and a bunch of people who who while, it's still an unfair stereotype, would never in real life be actual otaku. Really, a lot of them are just perverts who like anime and have good looks. It's like the mirror image of the "It's hip to be a nerd" thing going on in America, except they still admit they like actual nerd things and not just superficial ones. They'll probably pass from the current internet nerd-like types to the normiephone types who spout memes in real life and stuff soon enough though.

>> No.13627145

>>13626690
thats cuz no one likes getting cucked and being beta faggots

>> No.13627161

>>13626744
Soulja boy is straight up garbage nowadays.

>> No.13627164

>>13627145
If that were true, NTR doujins and nukige would've dried up.

>> No.13627168

Consequently, I feel like anime and japanese is getting more popular over here again. Anything deeper than mainstream shit will probably never be accepted, though.

>> No.13627215

>>13627168
We'll always be safe in our niches.
Normies only take a cafeteria approach to our interests. From anime and manga to net culture, all I see are bits and pieces getting adopted. Shibas, "tfw", image macros with impact font, all are grazed and then the normies move on.

>> No.13627278

>>13627168
This is exactly where I'm getting at. The topsy turvy preferences are happening right now as we speak. Too bad most attempts to emulate or explain Japanese otaku culture in the West is rather uninformed at best and pedestrian at worst.

>> No.13627332

Western mainstream media is trash.

I've always a otaku of folk music, southern cowboy culture though.

Don't tread on me "kudasai".

>> No.13627597

>>13626744
Pharrell, a hood nigga, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.13627608

>>13627168
OMGZ DO YOU WATCH ATTACK ON TITAN?
I saw it on adult swim once, omgz.

>> No.13627618

>>13626690
>Ever notice that otaku culture as a whole is gradually appealing less and less to its intended local demographic?
Uh, no, not at all. Anime, Light Novels, Eroge and the like have lost a huge amount of variety in the past few years. They all try to copy the common trends to secure consumers, and this really gets in the way of creativing and making actually good works. Seriously, where did you get this idea? Just look at Kancolle's success and now connect it with Abe's nationalistic policies.

>> No.13627622

>>13627618
*creativity

>> No.13627624

>>13627618
>Just look at Kancolle's success and now connect it with Abe's nationalistic policies.
This has never made sense to me.

Kancolle also has success in China and Korea, if it's only popular because it's nationalist then it should only be popular in Japan.

>> No.13627632

>>13627624
I thought it was only popular in Taiwan. Korea and Mainland China wouldn't be caught dead liking something that glorifies Imperial Japan.

>> No.13627639

>>13627632
Well, you are wrong.

The chinks even made their own Kancolle.

>> No.13627640

>>13627624
There are people who enjoy it just for the cute girls, but linking it to a growing nationalistic trend in Japan to part of its popularity makes plenty of sense to me.

>> No.13627649

>>13627640
Most of the fandom doujinshii are about cute girls.

And nowadays it expands to other national ships.

It's like saying anyone playing World of Tanks is a nazi or communist.

>> No.13627650

>>13627639
I know that much. I assume they sucked out the Nationalism out of their bootleg version.

>> No.13627654

>>13627650
But it's still about cute girls dressing as ships.

>> No.13627656

>>13627649
No it's not. I'm saying it has to do with the beginning of it, not that it played a major role and is the motivation for most otaku out there. If you've met any otaku too you're probably aware of how they're not really fond of talking with westerners in general. The japanese who can speak english are usually westaboos who want to know what's outside their cultural sphere.

>> No.13627667

>>13627656
Nationalist otaku has been a long thing before Kancolle.

>> No.13627672

>>13627632
There are a shitton of mainland chinks playing Kancolle. One was even arrested for dressing up as an IJN admiral.

>> No.13627678

>>13627656
Are you basing your experience on futaba where you're not even supposed to post there as a gaijin anyways? A lot of young Japanese are interested in gaijins and their culture, otaku included. Netouyo do not apply.

>> No.13627695

>>13627678
There is literally nothing wrong with being a netouyo.

>> No.13627700

dead culture

>> No.13627706

>>13627667
I never said Kancolle created them or something. Precisely because nationalist otaku exist that I'm talking about the connection.
>>13627678
I'm basing myself on a few otaku I've talked to, compared to other japanese people who had a skilled english and their hobbies were things like football or western music.

>> No.13627715

>>13627656
Mostly because English is hard and people are lazy.

>> No.13627717

>>13627695
Not even the issue. We're debunking the assumption that otaku aren't open to Westerners.

>>13627706
>Few
There's that keyword. Gotta give a bigger sampler size than that. An anecdote or two does not a correct assessment make.

>> No.13627720

>>13627706
The guy I quoted said Kancolle was popular because of Abe's nationalist policies, not because of nationalist otaku.

>> No.13627726

>>13627720
Abe should put his nationalist policies towards something useful like getting young people to fuck instead of wasting his time promoting a shitty grinding game.

>> No.13627727

>>13627720
In fact, I doubt nationalist otaku plays a big part in it.

Kancolle just looks too cutesy and casual.

>> No.13627736

>>13627726
Abe doesn't promote Kancolle.

He promotes the building of actual warships and re-militarization of the JSDF because China is being aggressive right now.

After the war, people WILL want to fuck.

>> No.13627744

>>13627726
He'll have to tear down Akihabara, Nipponbashi or whatever amusement center that exists in Japan.

The root of the problem is they just can't be bothered when they have so much toys and distractions you don't even want to FUCK.

>>13627736
Nah, there'll be a big hurrah or two, but after that things will go back to normal.

>> No.13627745

>>13627736
Finally, otaku will be able to reproduce with other men's wives while they're off at war, in a classic wartime tradition.

>> No.13627746

>>13627744
People keep saying this but China is growing larger dude.

US is in the game now (well, they always is) and Japan would play a part in it.

>> No.13627749

>>13627727
That's why I said it didn't play a "major" part.
>>13627717
Alright, Yoda, the burden of proof is within me and I can't use my personal experiences more than to just make a guess. I still stand that I fail to see this western penetration in otaku media, however, specially when mediums eroge becomes smaller and more stale each year. I don't know so much about LNs, but the "stale" part doesn't seem so different to me. What are works that clearly show this "growing" western influence? Because I can name a dozen that follow the slice-of-life "moe", or fantasy self-insert receipt.

>> No.13627754

As a genuine science nerd who barely ever saw action because study, I resent people appropriating my style and image but not the passion for learning or respect for all the work we STEM grads have done. Reading comic books and watching capeshit movies does not make you a nerd, it makes you a couch potato.

>> No.13627757

>>13627746
Larger, but disproportionate. Their one child policy would be the death of them since there will be more guys than girls that comprise the population and will be unsustainable. Don't forget refugees from shit like Burma, Bangladesh and what have you.

>> No.13627761

>>13627757
They can always get girls from other countries.

>> No.13627764

>>13627749
It's mostly in shit like twitter, McDonald, twerking and stupid shit like that.

Western civilization is now reduced to that.

>> No.13627768

>>13627754
There are people with just as much learning passion as you have when it comes to their hobbies. Reading thousands of comic books may not require the same level of intelligence, but it probably requires a similar level of effort and passion you have for what you've learned.

>> No.13627773

>>13627761
>azn cucks
>getting girls
looooool

>> No.13627775

>>13627773
It's commie chinese, these guys are fucking brutal.

And who are you quoting?

>> No.13627779

>>13627749
Out of the top of my head

Anime:
Cowboy Bebop
Baccano
Tiger And Bunny
Mitchiko to Hatchin
Kekkai Sensen

Video Games:
Dark/Demon Souls
Splatoon
Mindjack
Dragon's Dogma

VN:
Rose Gun Days
Grisaia Series
Django

>> No.13627811

>>13627764
>Mcdonalds
But you have Mcdonalds references in titles like ToHeart which were released almost 20 years ago.
>twitter
Not surprising consider you can talk a lot more in japanese with a limited space.
>>13627779
The majority of anime you watched have a considerable time gap between each other. It doesn't show a trend, it shows exceptions.
>Dragon's Dogma
>Dark/Demon Souls
Oh, medieval fantasy. This has been explored a lot in otaku culture in the 90s. Definitively not a trend.
>Splatoon
Nintendo has always appealed to a worldwide market for obvious reasons.

Now for VNs:
>Rose Gun Days
R07 doesn't follow the market's trends.
>Django
Nitroplus is notorious for making different works, since their first title.
>Grisaia Series
Scarlett is more western than that.

>> No.13627812

>>13627775
Lol, asian guys are physically inferior. You can't be a low-test manlet and alpha
http://youtu.be/No5q2HN95S4

>> No.13627819

>>13627812
We have guns for that.

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>>13626690
A lot of my favorite hentai artists are westaboos and draw comic book stuff. Many play D&D too

>> No.13627823

>>13627811
>But you have Mcdonalds references in titles like ToHeart which were released almost 20 years ago.
Well, mostly fastfood culture in general. Pizza hut and the likes.

>> No.13627825

>>13627812
He went for the Asian girl since he got cucked by the nigger. Hardly an improvement.

>> No.13627827

>>13627821
What a big guy.

>> No.13627829

>>13627827
fuck off

>> No.13627830

Why did a bunch of memers suddenly show up and take this thread into an unnecessary speed? Go back to /v/ and /pol/, faggots.

>> No.13627832

>>13627811
Scarlett and other games focusing on modern military have always been the exception, never the trend.

The majority of eroge are school life moege, in this way, it doesn't change.

>> No.13627833

>>13627832
I listed Scarlett more as a joke, but I'm aware it's definitively not the common thing to do. I can only think on the top of my head Pink Panzer, Scarlett, Gunjou no Sora wo Koete and Grisaia as not-mecha military-related eroge.

>> No.13627836

>>13627832
And people will still go out for McDonalds more often than they go out for Chinese food, even if Chinese food has penetrated so far into America it's basically a staple.

Visual novels are some of the most inward-looking media ever so I don't know why you would expect them to involve Western culture anyway.

>> No.13627839

>>13627833
There are 1 or 2 more titles like that and some nukige titles that have military rape and some otome games but that doesn't matter, it's really uncommon.

>> No.13627844

>>13627836
I'm just disputing the fact that eroge gets more "stale".

I would say it's more of the same, with a variety of titles coming out but the majority being school life moege.

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>>13627827

>> No.13627847

>>13627845
Sanny is a big girl.

>> No.13627852

>>13627844
The variety between titles in the 2000s compared to the 2010s so far definitively feels different to me, though. I'm saying most titles recently are following too much the whole high school slice-of-life receipt with all the common archetypes you see in moege. More so than before.

>> No.13627857

>>13627852
But that's because the archetypes are not well-defined yet in the 00s.

>> No.13627859

>>13627852
Hah, do you really wanna go take a trip down memory lane and play every single rape and exploitation game that was popular in the 70's and 80's? I'd much rather have what we're getting today.

>> No.13627865

>>13627779
Cowboy Bepop by and far wins that list. i can find grown men who externally have no hints towards nerdiness but CB will still show up

>> No.13627869

>>13627865
Popularity is a shit indicator anyway, every grown men know Dragon Balls Z.

>> No.13627876

>>13627859
At least it will never get as bad as those again. Like that platforming eroge you had to chase a woman until you could rape her or something.
>>13627857
But eroge also sold more back then. Sounds like the market just has to appeal to a more specific crowd nowadays. Which also leads to more similar titles.

>> No.13627885

>>13627876
To be honest, I would like more rape games.

And said specific crowd still have a pretty big variety of taste, just that most people like school-life moege because it's really a generic setting that you can write anything.

>> No.13627895

>>13627656
There are a bunch of artists out there whose stuff I've been interested in, but then half their Pixiv is Western shit and I lose interest. Can't remember them off the top of my head, though.

I feel like it's the same disappointment a Japanese person must meet when encountering a weeb. All ready to talk about One Direction or whatever the fuck is popular these days and in the end he's basically just some otaku shitter who spends all day watching anime.

>> No.13628013

The feminists have won...it's only a matter of time until we can only watch pre-approved feminist-friendly anime play pre-approved feminist VNs.

Raping the elves will get you five years in the isocubes.

>> No.13628022

>>13628013
>feminist-friendly anime play pre-approved feminist VNs
Reminder that most artists and TRUotaku don't care about the opinions of others. If their personal niche interest group is satisfied, then so are they along with their own 2D desires.

>> No.13628028

>>13628013
They are not winning as long as we still manage to hold the opinions against them.

>> No.13628065
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>>13628028
They've won the air war, all I see are normie feminist opinions. The only nonfeminists I see are online and anonymous or old people

stockpile nukige while you still can, do it anonymously. I'm serious when I say that the end is near; save yourselves, /jp/ers!

>> No.13628089

>>13627332
A dixie otaku?

>> No.13628095

>>13628065
I already did stockpile everything in my HDD.

>> No.13628103

Korean pop culture is killing otaku culture

>> No.13628107

>>13628089
"Hai".

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>>13628095
I guess all we need to do is go underground and wait out the pink terror. When they are overthrown we will have the tools to rebuild nukige/doujin culture in the West

>> No.13628129

>>13628124
We never had nukige/doujin culture in the West, anon.

Custer's revenge wasn't very fappable.

>> No.13628137

>>13628107
Nice.

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>>13628129
Fine; build, not rebuild.
Though I guess we would just be pasting a foreign subculture over the dead and decaying remnants of our own subcultures, corrupted by both feminists and nationalists/reactionaries.

>> No.13628143

>>13628089
Cowboy culture is a fiction created by madison avenue yankees to sell consumer products to a post-war middle class.

>> No.13628146

>>13628137
I watch this when I feel the calling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xW0s6XFJyw

>> No.13628150

>>13628143
Just like how otaku culture is just nerd consumerist.

How it started doesn't matter, what it creates is.

>> No.13628160

>>13628146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5umDp_EnnFg

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>>13628140
>corrupted by both feminists and nationalists/reactionaries.
I wish political people would accept that some things just aren't meant to be politicized.
For instance, reactionaries and conservatives have been trying to "take back" science fiction. But instead of giving the fandom back to the people, they took control of it and used it to reward themselves with award nominations.
They've also been slowly working to encourage people to purge the fandom of degenerate content like pornography.

I used to trust the right to defend my liberties but these days I don't trust anyone who believes in politics.
Even patriots will betray you these days.

I'd rather just live in the woods like a hermit, wait out this new era of puritanism.

>> No.13628168

>>13628140
I think we should let otaku culture prosper in Japan while we keep our own traditional culture being cowboy culture and gun culture.

Mosaic, not melting pot alright?

YEE-HAW

>> No.13628174

>>13628150
What it has created is fattening the wallets new york jews and hollywood faggots.

>> No.13628181

>>13628174
No, it creates a culture where people love independence, guns and manliness.
This culture nowadays can even sustain on itself, not needing tobacco and Hollywood jews.

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Anime and related media / merchandise is a bigger industry now than ever before. Meanwhile western media is at a high point of stagnation and lame-ness.
Waiting warmly for the next big idol and cute girls franchise.

>> No.13628190

>>13628168
No, I think the superior culture should be allowed to prevail.
I will have the freedom to promote my culture, you should have the freedom to promote yours.
The superior culture will be adopted by the people and the inferior culture will fade into the history books.

If you believe your culture to be the superior one, then you should have no problem with this, no?
A battle of words and an agreement to disagree, like civilized men.

>> No.13628191

>>13628185
Both are stagnating

>> No.13628196

>>13628190
That's fine too, since I believe in the free market and the invisible hand.

>> No.13628201

>>13628185
>Meanwhile western media is at a high point of stagnation and lame-ness.
Exactly.
People are getting tired of having daddy's marlboro man shoved down their throats by the electronic jew. They're using 21st century technology to go beyond their borders and find cuter things to enjoy.

>> No.13628202

>>13628164
Both lefties and righties are anti-porn for some reasons.

I think it's the only ground where us truotaku can find ourselves in agreement.

>> No.13628216

>>13628201
Maybe the next trend is cute cowgirls with six shooters.

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>>13628216
Please kill yourself

>> No.13628224

>>13628220
It's a world of compromise m8.

And we need more eroge in western setting anyway.

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>>13628224
Please kill yourself

>> No.13628240

>>13628228
Speaking of cowgirl, the OP posted a cowgirl.

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>>13628240
Please kill yourself

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Japan should begin to focus on itself again now that nationalism is on the rise.

There's nothing that brings a country together better than love for the military and war in general.

>> No.13628291

>>13628191
Neither are stagnating.

>> No.13628298

>>13628285
It's worked so well in the US lately.

>> No.13628299

>>13628285
Abe is doing that.

The populace are anti-war pussies though, even when their islands are threatened.

>> No.13628364

>>13628202
>>13628140
Post-leftism a'la Bob Black would probably fit the best with Otaku culture.

>> No.13628381

>>13628298
It worked very well after 9/11, the initial parts of the Iraq War, and we saw a small resurgence of it back when Osama was killed and people were cheering in the streets with the wonderful fanaticism of national zeal. War in the conventional sense is great for bringing the people of a nation today, but the problem is that a protracted war, if you can even call it a war, against an insurgency that uses nothing but guerrilla tactics is terrible for this.

Japan can point to aggressive nations like China and use it to create great propaganda that will bring the nation together because nothing brings the people together better than fear, but what kind of propaganda can you create when you're sitting in the desert as a de facto police force, nothing happens for weeks, and then suddenly some car bomb goes off and kills a bunch of people that none of your citizens even care about or you manage to pick off a few insurgents that were in a cave. It's just not very good material for propaganda purposes because there's nothing about it that you can use to put fear in your citizens.

When the people feel that their lives are threatened then they turn to the military and rally and it's very easy to make the people feel like their lives are threatened by doing constant news coverage of Chinese or North Korean missile tests, pictures of millions of Chinese soldiers marching, coverage of all of that island building that China is doing, etc.

>> No.13628386

>>13626882
>It was leaning towards that direction.
Oh My Goddess!, TM!, YYH, DBZ, etc. weren't well received?

>> No.13628388 [DELETED] 

>>13628299
>The populace are anti-war pussies though, even when their islands are threatened.
The Japanese populace in general is very agreeable and obedient. They do what they're told and they don't rock the boat. That's is one of the most successful political parties on the planet and has been in power in Japan for roughly 56 of the 60 years since 1955. They will just keep voting for the same party over and over again.

If Abe wants Japan to become more militaristic then the Japanese populace for the most part will just nod their heads and go along with it. Zainichi agitators and groups on the left might throw a little fit and have some stupid hip-hop protest where 50 people just act like morons in the middle of the street while some asshole raps on a little mic and some guy behind him plays the bongos, but it ultimately amounts to absolutely nothing and the rest of Japan will faithfully toe the line that the government wants them to.

>> No.13628390

>The populace are anti-war pussies though, even when their islands are threatened.
The Japanese populace in general is very agreeable and obedient. They do what they're told and they don't rock the boat. That why the LDP is one of the most successful political parties on the planet and has been in power in Japan for roughly 56 of the 60 years since 1955. They will just keep voting for the same party over and over again.

If Abe wants Japan to become more militaristic then the Japanese populace for the most part will just nod their heads and go along with it. Zainichi agitators and groups on the left might throw a little fit and have some stupid hip-hop protest where 50 people just act like morons in the middle of the street while some asshole raps on a little mic and some guy behind him plays the bongos, but it ultimately amounts to absolutely nothing and the rest of Japan will faithfully toe the line that the government wants them to.

>> No.13628393

>>13628381
>the wonderful fanaticism of national zeal
Bullshit. 9/11 and the fight against Islam have been the excuse the state has needed to curtail our liberties with the PATRIOT ACT and grant spy agencies the authority to spy on all American citizens without warrant.

>> No.13628394

>>13628388
Well, I just hope they support the war because big boy Americans are in the contest zone now, and I want my Americans boys well-fed and supplied in case where China goes crazy.

>> No.13628402

>>13628393
That's also true.

But he was right that 9/11 really added a lot of national zeal to the US populace.

We have an enemy again.

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>>13628402
>But he was right that 9/11 really added a lot of national zeal to the US populace.
We don't need national zeal.
Just let people live out their lives without pushing them into some grand project.

I just want to be left alone.

>> No.13628418

>>13628393
That's a perfect example of why it's so powerful and effective though. Look at how quickly we were willing to throw out some of our liberties when the power of fear kicked in. You might disagree with what it was used for, but nationalism that feeds off fear will unite a country more effectively than anything else in the world.

At the end of the day, humans are completely ruled by fear and the vast majority of us will throw away all of our principles and beliefs without a second thought if we think that it will save our lives.

>> No.13628423

>>13628416
Modern military service is voluntary anon.

If you want to be left alone, don't join it.

>> No.13628435

>>13628423
The draft could be resurrected at any time.

>>13628418
>At the end of the day, humans are completely ruled by fear and the vast majority of us will throw away all of our principles and beliefs without a second thought if we think that it will save our lives.
That's a very elitist ideology, just like liberals ad feminists who want to control the porn I watch.
This is why political elitists need to be distrusted at all times.

>> No.13628447

>>13628435
Conservatives are the type of moralfags who'd want to control your porn, not liberals.

>> No.13628448

>>13628435
It could, but nowadays people are eager to join so doncha worry.

>> No.13628451

>>13628447
Liberals now do the same shit with exploitation of womyn and objectification of womyn.

>> No.13628465

Ever notice that otaku culture gets real shitty right about now?

Thats cuz your here.

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>>13628448
The moment the elites think that the next big war with China is on the horizon all men are going to be conscripted to die on barren rocks in the Pacific.

I'd rather live alone in the woods then give up my life to the elite-run war machine.

Don't believe nationalism, it's propagated by sociopaths who want to control everything. A perfect world would be where no one controls no one.

>> No.13628477

>>13628435
The far right and the far left are just two different sides of the same coin.

If humanity truly loved freedom and valued it above all us then we wouldn't have created civilization. Freedom is our default state. True freedom is living in the jungle in a state of constant fear and getting your head bashed in with a rock before you're even 30 years old.

>In such condition, there is no place for industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving, and removing, such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.

Humans want safety and security and we will accept any degree of control as long as it gives safety and security. We will happily accept the illusion of having certain enjoyable freedoms as long as we still have safety and security, but we will throw them away just as quickly to maintain the former because these freedoms are ultimately just nonessential luxuries. This ideal of freedom and attempting to become completely free is just a descending march back into the earliest and most brutal and primitive period of human existence.

>> No.13628491

>>13626744
Considering Soulja boy is associated with Lil B, I think it's safe to say that what he says is either ironic or post-ironic, and is clearly an extremity for mainstream rappers, which no one really takes seriously. Pharrell is and was a good producer before his solo career he just lowered himself to appeal to a wider audience. Basically a nerd who knows how to make money.

>> No.13628493

>>13628477
We should aim to develop robotic slaves that will produce abundance,
then impose a population cap to guarantee sustainability.

>> No.13628494

>nerd
>nerd culture
>pop nerd culture
>science nerd
nuke this thread pls

>>13626690
>otaku culture as a whole is gradually appealing less and less to its intended local demographic?
twice

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>>13628477
This is a picture of the socialist/conservative/liberal elitist in action. As he can not persuade the audience he must resort to long paragraphs where he tries to scare the poor, dumb peasants into submission.

Elite-run government is a threat to otaku culture. Eventually they will need scapegoats to scare people and our interests are bizarre and foreign to most. People like >>13628477
would create the conditions to destroy our freedom to play nukige and hotglue figs. A better ideal to fight for would be like what >>13628364 said, an anarchy divorced from brutal elite-produced ideology.

>> No.13628502

>>13628390
What about those polls taken after Abe's little rump in Congress? Didn't over 60% of those polled say they were completely against militarism, and Japan taking a more prominent role in overseas conflicts?

>> No.13628507

>>13628471
>A perfect world would be where no one controls no one.
That's a world where we beat each other to death like feral animals. Control creates peace and without control then the entire planet descends into chaos.

Humans are not such friendly and docile creatures that I would ever want to live in the terrifying horror that would be humans with no power in place to limit and control our behavior.

>I demonstrate in the first place, that the state of men without civil society (which state we may properly call the state of nature) is nothing else but a mere war of all against all; and in that war all men have equal right unto all things.

>> No.13628510

>>13628471
If the chinese come and begin occupying Japan, that's the end of otaku culture as we know it.

>> No.13628513

>>13628507
Hobbes? It looks like the first year philosophy majors have finally found their way to their mom's basements.

>> No.13628514

>>13628498
>>13628507
I propose a more centrist approach.

Everyone still have guns and shit but we have a minimal local police force that are in touch with the community.

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>>13628510
>>13628507
I fight for no one and resist all attempts to control me.

All otaku must do the same to prolong our freedom as long as possible.

>> No.13628520

>>13628185
>Anime and related media / merchandise is a bigger industry now than ever before.
It's easy for a small industry to post massive gains, and the anime industry is still massively smaller than the Western entertainment industry. HBO alone is worth more than the anime industry and everything in it.

>> No.13628524

>>13628510
But the Chinese are one of the biggest consumers of otaku culture right now, maybe even bigger than Japan itself.

>> No.13628530

>>13628524
The populace yes, but the government i.e. the herder keeps on expanding.

>> No.13628531

>>13628514
>we have a minimal local police force that are in touch with the community
That police force will still have the authority to coerce me and, in certain situations, kill me without repercussion. I could be ordered from my home at gunpoint without any opportunity to defend myself.

>> No.13628534

>>13628519
You are an anarchist otaku yes?

>> No.13628539

>>13628531
You still have guns, anon.

If bad cops come, shoot bad cops.

>> No.13628544

>>13628498
>Elite-run government is a threat to otaku culture.
Elites have run every government in history and will continue to run every government in history until the end of humanity.

>> No.13628551

>>13628531
If it's not the police force then it will small mobs of bandits and looters that behave like the droogs in Clockwork Orange. Is your otaku lifestyle preserved if you're spending every waking moment fortifying your house and shooting bandits because there is no law enforcement to keep the peace?

It doesn't sound like you hate control and authority as much as you just hate human behavior. The world that you want isn't a free world, it's a world without other humans.

>> No.13628552

>>13628539
>If bad cops come, shoot bad cops.
A.C.A.B, anon.

>>13628544
"This is the way things have always been done, so don't bother dissenting."
What a shitty argument.
Elites are the lucky and the violent who have clawed their way to the top. More often than not they are more flawed than the average joe according to historical record.

Get the hell out of /jp/ you elitist bootlicker fuck.

>>13628534
Yes.

>> No.13628556

>>13628530
The herder as allowed its people to pretty much emulate nearly everything coming out of Japan and make a pretty penny from it. Of course, there is some censorship going on, but I'm surprised on how much is actually allowed.

>> No.13628562

>>13628552
>This is the way things have always been done, so don't bother dissenting.
What are you going to accomplish by whining about it on /jp/?

>Elites are the lucky and the violent who have clawed their way to the top.
Being neither lucky nor violent, I'm not going to claw my way to the top, and will be content with the bread and curses (read: eroge and video games) that the elites have graciously permitted to exist.

There will always be someone on the top, and that someone will always be an elite.

>> No.13628564

>>13628551
>If it's not the police force then it will small mobs of bandits and looters that behave like the droogs in Clockwork Orange.
Ooh scary. Because people are incapable of cooperating with each other without always having a government gun to their heads, yes sir.

>It doesn't sound like you hate control and authority as much as you just hate human behavior.
Wrong on all fronts, sir.

>The world that you want isn't a free world, it's a world without other humans.
The world would be a LOT better off if the number of people were reduced significantly.

>> No.13628566

>>13628564
>The world would be a LOT better off if the number of people were reduced significantly.
Everybody wants to kill five billion people, but nobody wants to do anything about it.

>> No.13628567

>>13628562
Sounding a lot like a bootlicker m8. Wonder what makes you love that government so much.

>> No.13628568

>>13628566
Better done through changing social values and spread of contraceptives and abortion services.

>> No.13628569

>>13628567
Having graduated middle school, I no longer have fantasies of being a revolutionary.

Though actually it took me until my third year of college to really get over it.

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>>13628567
Boot licker isn't always a bad thing.

>> No.13628577

>>13628181
>No, it creates a culture where people love independence, guns and manliness.

The same traits that are chokeholding Americans ironically enough.

>> No.13628578

I want /pol/ to leave

>> No.13628579

>>13628569
Doesn't sound like you've graduated middle school at all, what with all that chuuni shit you're spewing. It's like you've skimmed hobbes and suddenly you're smarter than all the plebs.

Go back to your dark enlightenment buddies.

>> No.13628580

>>13628578
Politics doesn't leave /jp/ until banned because as long as there's anything to argue about, people will argue about it.

>> No.13628584

>>13628578
>>13628579
monarchist reactionaries are the cucks of /pol/

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>>13628556
I'm still laughing at the fact that Copycolle is going to appear at E3. I got to give it up to the chinks, unlike the Japs, they are willing to risk going into uncharted waters if it means making a profit.

>> No.13628590

>>13628579
>Doesn't sound like you've graduated middle school at all, with all that chuuni shit you're spewing.
That was the reference I was making, yes.

>It's like you've skimmed hobbes and suddenly you're smarter than all the plebs. Go back to your dark enlightenment buddies.
I'm already here in /jp/. Don't worry, one day I'm sure I'll see you flying the black flag on the television, so this isn't a permanent farewell.

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>>13628590
>I'm already here in /jp/
It's time you left

>> No.13628598

>>13628596
Don't worry, if you stay here long enough you'll lose all ambition and become an apathetic shit who doesn't give a shit when people tell him to leave too. I guarantee it.

>> No.13628604

>>13628564
>Because people are incapable of cooperating with each other without always having a government gun to their heads, yes sir.
How do you think these "elites" gained this position in the first place? They slaughtered or enslaved whatever wandering tribes of friendly pacifists that they encountered.

Just look at the rapid extinction of the neanderthals that coincides exactly with when they encountered humans. Everything we know about them suggests that neanderthals were relatively peaceful and no where near as brutal as humans, and we slaughtered the men and raped the women until there were none of them left. The last neanderthals to walk the earth were most likely half-neanderthal rape babies. Back when this happened it was our entire species that was the brutal "elites" that you hate so much.

Peaceful cooperation can exist and does exist all over the world, but without some force to stop violent antisocial behavior within the group and to defend the group from outside threats then they will be slaughtered by the humans who are more than willing to be violent and brutal.

>> No.13628609

>>13628586
The Japanese have integrity for their products unlike the Chinese. Small wonder why they're the Jews of Asia.

>> No.13628611

>>13628609
Remember the 40 million.

>> No.13628612

>>13628609
Kancolle is a terrible game saved only by the fact that it's one of the best in its entire class of terrible games.

>> No.13628620

>>13628612
Can't be terrible when it's lasted this long for what's basically a flash game unless of course you're one of those fags who cry muh interactivity.

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>>13628604
More elite talking points you probably plagiarized from some reactionary blog. Funny you have to go all the way back to the stone age to find elites that you can even possibly portray in a positive light.

I hate elites because they are cowardly when in power, they believe that they know best and when they are threatened they will use people like us otaku as scapegoats as distractions. Our interests and our freedom will be sacrificial lambs for their power.

Oh yes be scared, don't question anything. Be scared of the muslims, be scared of the ISIS, don't question why we're spying on you.

Get out of /jp/

>> No.13628624

>>13628596
>Class war
What's the point of this? It's like hitting a reset button. Kill the rich, "elites" within the anarchist community naturally gravitate towards power and begin to take over, and now you're back at square one. Do you just kill them too and then keep doing this until you're the only person left?

>> No.13628625

>>13628620
Every week or two I log in and do something, so I guess I'm an active player.

>those fags who cry muh interactivity.
After the first month every day becomes exactly the same. At that point you might as well watch a movie. I recommend this one:

【艦これ】E-5突破【まったく敵だらけだな】
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loOQFxUEMCQ

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>>13628622
Under elite rule doujin artists like mizuryuu kei and even KF-fucking-C would be banned for degeneracy, otaku need to reject all politics and work to engineer holes in the system, exploits that can allow us freedom from government

>> No.13628630

>>13628626
>under elite rule
Who do you think rules in Japan today? Salarymen and small business proprietors?

>> No.13628632
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>>13628624
Yes. The reset button must be hit every few generations in order to keep government from solidifying its hold. Tree of liberty, watered by blood, etc.

give me loli or give me death!!!

>> No.13628634

>>13628586
The idea that this blatant rip off has the possibility of exceeding the original by millions, puts a smile on my face just knowing how Touhou fans are going to bring it up whenever another franchise war happens.

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>>13628630
a tolerable situation would be a government where elites are in a constant fear of retribution from the citizenry

give me loli or give me death, i say

>> No.13628643

>>13628638
Which they're not today, and you still have your loli, so you can get back to me when it becomes illegal in Japan.

Both of us have as much ability to influence Japanese internal politics as the price of rice in Denmark anyway.

>> No.13628648

>>13628622
>when they are threatened they will use people like us otaku as scapegoats as distractions.
Are you a paranoid schizophrenic? They do not care about some 20-something that jerks off to cartoons in his mother's home. If the world ever gets to the point that "the evil otaku" are the worst bogeyman that they're able to create then they will have gotten so laughably desperate that every legitimately frightening threat on the planet must already be eliminated.

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>>13628625
I didn't have an actual expectation of what song was going to cut in at 6:33, but if I did it definitely wouldn't have been Voyage 1969.

>> No.13628663

>>13628632
How will you get any of the entertainment that you enjoy from Japan if Japan is reduced to a society that is in an almost constant state of war and never knows stability for longer than a few generations? Do you really believe that cartoon production is going to be a high priority in a society that essentially destroys itself and has to rebuild from scratch every few generations? Your insane paranoia will completely destroy the thing that you claim to want to preserve.

>> No.13628670

The elites aren't really that fearful of overpopulation.

We fight more fiercely for scraps when there's more of us; they like that.

In the event of an uprising, they'll simply mow us down with their arsenal.

>> No.13628673

>>13628638
>>13628632
>>13628626
Otaku culture is one of the millions of tools of the elites that keep the masses pacified, complacent, and distracted.

Kill the elites and you kill otaku culture.

>> No.13628675

>>13628648
I would not trust an antidemocratic elite to avoid taking the opportunity to drum up support by cracking down on "child pornography." Why are you on /jp/ anyway wh you support such a government. I guess you're just another /pol/tard who was let out of his containment pen.

>>13628643
Abe wants to look good for his nationalist supporters and the IOC wants Tokyo "cleaned up" for the Olympics. Don't say you weren't warned.

>> No.13628678

>>13628604
The disappearance of the neanderthal could just as easily be explained by interbreeding with homo sapiens or by pathogens brought over from Africa as it could by mass slaughter and rape.

>> No.13628681

>>13628663
>How will you get any of the entertainment that you enjoy from Japan if Japan is reduced to a society that is in an almost constant state of war and never knows stability for longer than a few generations?
What is the Sengoku era, Alex?

>> No.13628683

>>13628675
>I would not trust an antidemocratic elite
The crux of the issue is that nobody cares who you trust or don't trust, and, for that matter, what the rest of us think is irrelevant too.

So you warn me that Abe's going to ban loli. Even if it comes to pass, so what? Did your warning improve my life in any way? Well, maybe if it means I'm going to set up some massive RAID and put all the loli I can find on it then it had some measurable impact, but otherwise you may as well be telling me I'm going to die of cancer one day. Even if it's true it doesn't really matter.

>> No.13628688

>>13628670
I still believe that Americans, especially Marines, are too committed to freedom to let the corporate state take complete control.

Elements like the oath keepers must be supported in educating more and more armed forces personnel about the virtues and necessity of liberty for the American people.

>> No.13628702

>>13628683
>Well, maybe if it means I'm going to set up some massive RAID and put all the loli I can find on it then it had some measurable impact
Exactly, a dedicated number of individuals could open up an exploit in the elite system. All systems have their imperfections...

>> No.13628711

KILL WHITEY!!

>> No.13628722

>>13628681
A lawless era of civil war? I don't see your point because art prospers during times of peace. If you tried to recreate something like the Sengoku era in modern day Japan then anime would die for exactly the same reasons that I said before. How many peasants were painting during the Sengoku era?

>> No.13628723

>>13628681
No different than warlord games happening in Sub-saharan Africa today.

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>>13628722
Chuuni shit everywhere.

>> No.13628736

>>13628688
You can not be a soldier and be committed to freedom. The military is the exact opposite of freedom

FUCK SOLDIERS
FUCK BOOTLICKERS

>> No.13628747

>>13628722
>>13628723
You people really are filthy crossies, aren't you?

>> No.13628752

>>13628747
>crossie
The last refuge of the clueless post-2012 retard.

>> No.13628760

America must be free.
Japan must be controlled so that they keep creating what I like.

>> No.13628765

>>13628752
Remove /v/ from premises

>> No.13628770

>>13628760
>Japan must be free.
>America must be controlled so that they keep creating what I like.

FTFY, America is literally killing itself in FREEDOM.

>> No.13628771

>the elite
>the globalists
Just say jews and stop dancing around it.

>> No.13628776

Have u o ever noticed w oawesome jaypee gets at this time????y

I men holy fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckkk whatashit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!mane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....das..itdas it mane......

>> No.13628783

>>13628765
Calling people crossies because they disagree with you politically is fucking dumb. There's basically only one thing that /jp/ actually agrees on politically, and that's that censorship is bad. Everything else is a crapshoot and we mostly avoid the issue by not talking about it.

Also, the term itself was brought to /jp/ from other boards, and was used here exclusively by retards after that.

>> No.13628786

>>13628771
Fine...I just didn't want to attract jannieboi

>> No.13628789

>>13628783
Rly...r u srs........

>> No.13628792

>>13628789
Go back to dead, Mugen.

>> No.13628796

>>13628783
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>> No.13628803

>>13628792
Would you like to learn about the dangers of marijuana prohibition?

>> No.13628812

>>13628786
That's the problem with words like elites and globalists. It's too vague and it creates divisions where none needed to exist. I thought you just meant putting a bullet in the head of anyone who is slightly above middle class like some Occupy protester. If you're just saying that we need to get rid of jews because they're parasitic, international leeches that will happily destroy a nation and then hop to the safety of another nation and watch it burn then I would completely agree. The leaders of all nations must be tied to their country so that if they destroy their nation then they destroy themselves as well.

All international elements who work against the interests of their nation for personal profit or for the profit of a nation (Israel) other than the one that they live in should be purged because they're nothing more than traitors.

>> No.13628813

>>13628771
Henry Kissinger was the original architect of globalization.
It was his idea to open China up for outsourcing.

>> No.13628830

>>13628812
L
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>> No.13628833

>>13628813
hky fuk.....I see it all now. I need too ....take a bug shit...from my brain...

>> No.13628836

>>13628833
Naice...

Naice...

>> No.13628838

>>13628836
What the hell is this
"Naice...
Naice..." shit about?

>> No.13628841

>>13628838
It's just some retard trying to force an epic memay

>> No.13628860

>>13628841
Heh...


naice...

>> No.13629003

>>13627726
>Abe should put his nationalist policies towards something useful like getting young people to fuck
He's trying but it's not going to work.

https://youtu.be/yS5ZeXXmlQs

There's of course still hope for us all but people need to get both open and creative. Japan's present is but our future.

>> No.13629014

http://www.primitivism.com/abolition.htm
Being an anarchist is the logical conclusion to being a NEET unless you're somehow ashamed or not doing it by choice.

>> No.13629019

>>13629014
Being an anarchist means you have to fucking work though.

>> No.13629025

>>13628770
How about no?

The crime rate is absolutely pissant considering how many people there are in America.

>> No.13629034

>>13629025
Which leads to complacency and we all know how that ended up in 2001.

>> No.13629037

>>13629034
You mean 9/11?

2000 dead people ain't much m8, and it happens in a urban center.

>> No.13629040

>>13629003
Just ban the pill. Fixes everything. That was one pandora's box we never should have opened.

Herbivore men are a result of non-traditional gender roles emasculating the male population and if you take away the option to have risk-free sex via the pill then women will be forced to submit or face life as a single mother because they were knocked up by someone they were too drunk to remember.

There's no realistic government incentive that's large enough that it could compel people to have children when they could use the time that is required for raising a child and use it to make several times as much money as the government incentive would have given them. This is why children should not be something that you choose have when the time is right. It should be something that happens to you accidentally because you had no reliable contraceptive option.

>> No.13629044

>>13629019
Anarcho capitalism isn't really anarchist, neither are most leftist forms of it either which run off syndicalist models, post left anarchists usually support an automated economy and oppose wage slavery.

>> No.13629052

>>13629044
Opposing wage slavery still means you gotta work though.

Only in "communist utopia" where you don't have to work.

>> No.13629054

>>13629037
Not just those. Collateral and logistics damage because their target was a Trade Center. Everything got fucked because of dirty Mudslimes having their way.

>> No.13629061

>>13629040
The pill would greatly benefit for turd world states that keep churning out babies they can't afford. Let's not completely shoot down this practice.

>> No.13629064

>>13629052
Or an automated society where every menial labor is done by robots, but I guess the Luddite elite won't have that happening anytime soon.

>> No.13629068

>>13629061
They need those kids because they need them to work in factories and whore houses to make money. Remove child labor laws and people won't be so against having children as they won't inhibit them for more than 10 years or so, unlike the giant wastes of money they are now.

>> No.13629070

>>13629061
We just need to stop giving them free shit and "humanitarian aid" and let nature handle it. Nature has always handled this pretty well. If you're a retard in a third world country and you have 8 kids then 6 of them will probably starve to death.

If we would just stop meddling then it would be fine.

>> No.13629072

>>13629064
It's happening in civilized countries, but it's a long time before that's possible in the whole world.

>> No.13629077

>>13629068
You wouldn't be on your NEET ass if it weren't for those laws in the first place.

>> No.13629079

>>13629070
Sorry, gotta fuel the bleeding heart white guilt agenda by airing starving African children commercials every now and then.

>> No.13629095

>>13629003
>Herbivore men and NEETs
I don't see why everyone is shitting themselves over this. It's an oddity of this current generation that has been created because of decadence, excess wealth, and a life of soft living.

Future generations will not have this luxury because their parents will not have the money to support their dead-end lifestyle and the economy will be far worse than it currently is. That's what doesn't make sense about these projections, especially the birthrate ones. Birthrates fly all over the place from generation to generation and they never remain consistent. One generation can have a birthrate that's pathetically low and the next can be off the charts.

This whole generation is filled with fuck ups and are really a lost cause. It's our job to ruin the economy so that the next generation will suffer, and in their suffering they will become strong. The economy, and this is true for all western nations, just needs to start to tank so that we will remember what suffering feels like and that will harden us again. Hardship creates strong generations, strong generations create prosperity, prosperity creates decadent generations, and decadent generations create hardship. It's a cycle, not the end of the world.

>> No.13629103

>>13629095
This is one legit reason for NEETing, it's a necessary poison to show that social welfare and shit are not sustainable and encourage laziness.

>> No.13629106

>>13629095
>>13629103
Those are all well and good, but does the Earth have enough resources to go through cycle after cycle of this?

>> No.13629122

>>13629106
If it doesn't, the "elites" will wage war and kill millions so we are back to square one again.

>> No.13629133

>>13629054
You are overestimating it.

And even then, the same shit would happen to any urban center on the globe, Tokyo include.

>> No.13629140

>>13629106
It will if we continue to pursue nuclear energy. If those idiots on the left in Japan who want to abandon nuclear energy win though then it's a whole different story.

Nuclear energy isn't perfect by any means and there are still huge problems that we need to deal with, primarily safety issues and figuring out a better solution for dealing with nuclear waste, but nuclear energy is still very young and it's unreasonable for us to expect that we can master something so powerful without some growing pains along the way.

The bottom line is that if we don't aggressively pursue an alternative to fossil fuels, and nuclear energy is the only realistic alternative that we have right now, then we will inevitably collapse and the future of humanity will look like we fell into some kind of time machine and transformed back into agrarian societies again.

>> No.13629144

/jp/ - sociology and economics

>> No.13629146

>>13629140
Nuke lobbyist pls go.

>> No.13629148

>>13629146
As opposed to?

Recycling and solar costs more than nuclear and oil, and oil and coal run out.

Nuke is the only option.

>> No.13629157

>>13629148
Water.

It's safe.
It's abundant.
Its use in energy production is mature.

No need to split atoms.

>> No.13629166

>>13629157
That just ain't possible everywhere, not to mention it depends heavily on the climate.

>> No.13629191

>>13629166
That just proves those locations aren't meant for human habitation. There's a reason why Mongolia is the least densely populated country in the world. We as a species must live near bodies of water.

>> No.13629196

>>13629191
Humanity is about conquering nature and make our own living space man.

>> No.13629204

>>13629196
Then how come we haven't turned Antarctica into a colony yet? No, scientific camps do not count.

>> No.13629209

>>13629204
We're trying though.

>> No.13629218

>>13629146
What alternative do you suggest? Solar or wind is not a realistic replacement and hydro is too limited in terms of where we can set it up and how we could utilize it as a complete replacement for all of our current fossil fuel uses. I would happily accept an alternative to nuclear energy if one existed that was capable of realistically replacing all major uses of fossil fuels, but there is nothing else right now.

Those anti-nuke people in Japan are infuriating. It's just a completely emotional reaction and they refuse to see how their short-sighted views are actually far more self-destructive than even the worst nuclear disasters. If we hit peak oil and we don't have a replacement that has already phased out most of the fossil fuel usage then we're fucked. The amount of death and destruction that will come in the ensuing resource wars and chaos will be hundreds of thousands of times worse than Fukushima, so Fukushima-like events could happen another 100 times in our pursuit of mastering nuclear energy and it would still be worth it because it's our only shot right now.

>> No.13629284

>>13629218
Depending on one potentially dangerous energy source is just as short-sighted. If we got stuck to your thinking, we wouldn't even have touched alternative energy sources. Once these turn to reliable energy, nuclear energy will go the way of the dinosaur. It's all baby steps.

>> No.13629291

>>13628285
>There's nothing that brings a country together better than love for the military and war in general.
Stop projecting your shitty edgy soul on other people. Not everyone wants their country killing people.

>> No.13629296

>>13629291
Remember Pearl Harbor?

Congress has a 99% votes on going to war.

>> No.13629304

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df7jOd6HcIY

>> No.13629314

>>13629296
Back then there was a huge propaganda campaign to paint Japanese (and all US enemies) as subhuman/non-people/animals with no soul. People used to eat this shit up. We're in a different era now, with the Internet people now have diverse opinions.

That said, US also has one of the most gullible populations in the world. And there's also no way to prove the legitimacy of that vote since all sources come from the government. Every country was desperate back then, there was no time for democracy.

>> No.13629315

>>13629296
People didn't know any better back then. Both sides' masses were literally drinking the hatearade.

>> No.13629318

>>13629304
Extreme left means suck.

>> No.13629323

>>13629315
Remember the Iraq war?

The majority supported that war too.

>> No.13629330

>>13629323
And it quickly swerved the other way once US found out Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.

>> No.13629334

>>13629323
Yeah and Bush has such a good reputation for it.

>> No.13629339

>>13629330
By that time the war already happens and there's no stopping it, anon.

The Bush-bashing doesn't matter either.

>> No.13629345

>>13629296
Doesn't it kind of make sense to issue a formal declaration of war after being attacked?
I don't disagree with you but I think Pearl Harbor and WW2 is a bad example.

>> No.13629346

>>13629334
He got the office two times, it's all he ever needed.

Fucking Clinton was impeached.

>> No.13629349

>>13629339
You know 'murrika could've not invaded but didn't. This is the folly for trying to appease an overly emotional populace.

>> No.13629360

>>13629318
He seems more like an anarcho nihilist than a conventional leftist.

>> No.13629366

>>13629323
They manipulate people into it. They have to.
If you need to build huge propaganda campaigns like anti-Japanese/anti-Soviet propaganda, 9/11 or the "war on terrorism", it means that you have to convince people into thinking their country is doing the right thing no matter the means. War isn't uniting people; delusions are.

>> No.13629369

>>13629077
>He thinks I want to be NEET

>> No.13629380

>>13629369
>greentext

And NEET is a lifestyle choice, not a mental disorder.

>> No.13629384

>>13629369
>wanting to be a wageslave

>> No.13629393
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13629393

>>13628596
Anarchos? In my /jp/?

>> No.13629394

>>13629366
Then that means delusions are good.

>> No.13629400

>>13629369
>>13629380
>>13629384
Who are y'all quoting?

>> No.13629401

>>13629369
>>13629380
>>13629384
Who are you quoting?

>> No.13629409

>>13629394
I'm pretty sure islamic religions also unite their people, but they terrorize and kill everyone else who disagrees in the process. Sounds familiar?

>> No.13629410

>>13629284
>Depending on one potentially dangerous energy source is just as short-sighted. If we got stuck to your thinking
I would say that if we got stuck to your thinking then we never would have left the trees.

Humans take risks and aim high, that's why we're so successful as a species. Humanity never backs down from challenges. It would be a completely unprecedented event in all of human history if we turn away the most powerful energy source known to man in favor of something older and inferior because nuclear energy scares us.

That's just not what humanity ever does. If someone scares us then we have always found a way to overcome it and master it. If humanity thought this way then we never would have created planes because we would have been scared off after the first few crashes and decided to just travel slower with boats and cars instead. Hell, you could go even further back and see that humans wouldn't even have boats if we were scared off the first few times that they started sinking or getting destroyed in storms. All of human history is a story of risk taking, and we never would have left the trees if we thought this way and went with the safest option even when that option was inferior in every other way. Every major advancement in human history has been the result of taking a risk, and if we stop that now and set a precedent of cowardice then we might as well embrace peak oil and crumble back down to agrarian societies because a cowardly humanity is a humanity that has rotted away and lost the one trait that sets us apart from every other animal on this planet.

>> No.13629411

>>13629380
Yeah let me choose to be hired tomorrow.

>> No.13629413
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13629413

I don't even have a kuso thread image appropriate for just how big of a shit this thread is.

>> No.13629414

>>13629349
Coulda shoulda woulda

What matters is the majority of american populace supported the war. We were wounded and we wanted payback.

And we got our allies joining in too, notably the britcucks.

>> No.13629416

>>13629409
It sounds familiar but one is modern while the other is archaic.

>> No.13629418

>>13629411
You can if you make your resume look good.

It's not hard.

>> No.13629419
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13629419

>>13629393
I'm a NEETarchist

>> No.13629422

People who want eroge about military should play Gun Knight Girl, it has mecha/robots but it's very light, most of the games are about military training and interaction between military personnel with civilians (the main character).

>> No.13629424

>>13629414
And they're now paying the price, more than just their empty wallets. You burgerclaps weren't known to look at the bigger picture. I mean, haven't you learned in 'nam?

>> No.13629427

>>13629416
Oh, I guess that makes it completely different. My bad.

>> No.13629429

>>13629427
It's the difference between a spear and a rifle.

>> No.13629437

>>13629424
The price being paid is pissant man.

There is less americans died in Iraq and Afghan than the civil war.

>> No.13629446

If only we had a board for talking about politics...

>> No.13629448

>>13629437
Way to reinforce my statement, bro. It's not just human lives you're throwing away here. The money drained for "national security" could be better off fixing your decrepit infrastructure and school system. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

>> No.13629450

>>13629448
People in America are already living well enough, unless you count shitholes like Detriot (where the problem isn't infrastructure or welfare).

>> No.13629457

>>13629429
So you're saying that the US is more effective at being dangerously religious and killing people than muslims, just like a rifle is more effective than a spear? Because I would agree.

>> No.13629461

>>13629457
We are more sophisticated than them, yeah.

>> No.13629471

>>13627757
The chink government stopped giving a shit about one child policy.

>> No.13629478

>>13629446
hear hear

>> No.13629496

>>13629450
What's the real problem?

>> No.13629503

>>13629446
I was willing to give this thread a chance while it was still kind of otaku culture related, but at this point you should just report the whole thing.

>> No.13629506

>>13629503
We should just ban anyone who mentions military or nationalism. Nothing good ever came out of those things.

>> No.13629518

>>13629496
White flight.

>> No.13629524
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13629524

I love it when this board gets its dose of /pol/ and /lit/.

>> No.13629528

>>13629457
>So you're saying that the US is more effective at being dangerously religious and killing people than muslims, just like a rifle is more effective than a spear?
Rome wasn't made with hugs.

Rome was at war almost continuously for 200 years and their advancements knew no limit. Peace was a strange interim period to Romans when every other power had been beaten down and unable to resist them. With the start of Pax Romana though, Rome was infected by a disease that only peace brings and it ate away at the spirit of the Roman people until they had become so weak and pathetic that they stagnated, grew increasingly corrupt, and the vultures, pissant barbarians that would have been nothing during the years of Rome's military height, were now feasting upon the decaying empire.

When you put away the spears and the rifles then that's when your nation really starts to die because now the disease of the long peace is infecting your population.

>> No.13629534

>>13629506
But there are eroge that deal with these themes.

I disagree with this anti-freedom of speech.

>> No.13629542

>>13629534
Granted, it's unfair to put the ban on anyone talking about eroge with these themes, but crap like >>13629528 warrants the boot.

>> No.13629553

>>13629542
But that guy was just responding to a guy who compared the US of A to muslims.

>> No.13629555

>>13629553
And it's far and away from otaku culture as it can get.

>> No.13629560

>>13629555
Otaku culture is all encompassing, some of us are netouyo.

>> No.13629564

>>13629560
You've got a completely separate board for your shit.

>> No.13629565

>>13629560
Not to mention the discussion of these themes in eroge would inevitable bring to these opinions.

>> No.13629572

>>13629564
As said, the discussion of political themes in eroge would bring discussion of politics in general either as examples or argument.

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