/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

How many people here actually take the Touhou vs Kancolle bullshit seriously? I used to be angry at seeing Kancolle ascend while the quality of Touohu art at pixiv decline, but over time I've come to accept it.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't because it's fucking stupid.

ZUN will keep making Touhou regardless if fans want it or not while Kancore is just another mobage that is all about the market.

[Anonymous No.]

That isn't even relevant anymore. If you really can't help but make a thread you could've just made a kuso one.

[Anonymous No.]

I just wish it could stay on /a/ where it belongs

[Anonymous No.]

I don't really care. I just don't understand why Kancolle of all things. It's hardly a game, and what's there is really shitty. At least 2hu is kinda fun if you're into shooters.

Can someone explain to me why Kancolle got so popular?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13599070
Same reason as Touhou. Cute girls and good fan art.

[Anonymous No.]

As a Kancolle fan one of my my favorite things to do is shit on the franchise.

I used to be a Touhoufag but honestly the games after UFO didn't hold my interest because my interest in the whole religion thing is near zero.

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>>13599112
HM was the end of the religion thing. DDC, IS, ULiL, and LoLK have nothing to do with religion.

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>>13599242
My autism compels me to play the games in order. I'll get around to it one day.

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>>13598816
>I used to be angry at seeing Kancolle ascend while the quality of Touohu art at pixiv decline
Hah, so these are the same retarded people who abuse those images and use them offhandedly as epic kawaii reaction images.

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>>13598816
I'm glad you got over your anger issues, Anon.

[Anonymous No.]

I really can't see Kancolle having the same lasting power as Touhou honestly. No music remixes and DMM's very strict no fan made games policy, is really holding the franchise back.

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>>13599283
There are a lot of music remixes - definitely not as many as Touhou, of course. I don't have actual numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

I never did, they can co exist and besides, it worries me not if Touhou loses fans.

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>>13598816
Kancolle to me seems to already be dead in the water. I used to see it posted a lot but now it just seems to be gone.
Could be that my brain just automatically omits garbage so I don't see it.

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>>13598816
Does Kancolle even have a setting/story or stuff like that? I've never seen a "canon" being discussed, just a bunch a of girls thrown randomly there like in most mobages and nothing else.

Anyway I couldn't care less. All I care is ZUN making new material, and that will happen as long he wants to regardless of how active his fans are.

[Anonymous No.]

People including artists are dropping kancolle every day and returning to 2hu.
ZUN will keep making 2hu until he dies.
Western fandom is expanding, DDC can be bought in the west and at least one doujin product to be sold worldwide is in the works.

2hu is still going strong, who cares if it's a bit weaker than before. No need to take this thing seriously really, as long as KCfags don't claim that their game and universe is better than 2hu, because objectively it isn't.

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>>13599850
>People including artists are dropping kancolle every day and returning to 2hu.

I'm not really seeing this. Most of the time, they just draw both and don't restrict themselves to one fandom.

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>>13599850
2hu is deader than dead. it's riding on sunk costs only. what's sunk costs? people invested years of their life into this dead end and now can't separate themselves from the dead corpse cause they invested so much into it

2hu was only ever a meme to me so i ditched it like a hot potato. kancolle is the new hotness and 2hu is old and busted

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>>13599883
(you)

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>>13599857
Dropping everyday is a joke. Not meant to be taken literally.
In the end though I think that for the artists that draw not just because they like the characters but also the lore (actually, do Japanese artists that draw 2hus with 0 knowledge of the lore even actually exist?), 2hu will be the preferred game/universe.

>>13599883
pic

[Anonymous No.]

> Touhou vs Kancolle

This is what ZUN has to say:

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>>13599979
zun saw the writing on the wall way back in 2013 and wanted to team up with kancolle? too bad for him they could smell the rotten corpse and didn't give him the time of day.

what's funny is he says not to fight with them and then alludes to status. i feel sorry for him. it's like how reddit is more popular and important than 4chan and moot got kicked off the throne before he even knew it.

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>>13600012
Simply epin troll m8 :^)

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>>13599979
Obligatory reminder about ZUN's current opinion:

>東方の世界は良くなった。何かと言わないけれど面倒くさい人が出て行ってくれた

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>>13600055
they were cherished fans when they liked him and now when they turn their back he badmouths them. talk about a being a lowlife.

i realized it's no wonder that zun and moot met. they were losers licking each others wounds.

負け犬同士が傷の舐め合いばかり

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>>13600055
I am just damn glad that Alice no Takarabo fucked off with his bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

kuso incite attempt

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>>13600074
I don't think ZUN ever gave a shit about his fans.
Kind of like god. He doesn't care about you even if you worship him, but if you wrong him, he'll smite you with his holy fist.

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>>13600088
Fuck off, Kei is a great artist.

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>>13600091
you wish. you can tell just from those two tweets he's just a lowlife who rode on his fans shoulders and then badmouths them when they leave.

before i didn't think much of zun negatively or positively. now i know he's a lowlife with a rotten personality.

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>>13600093
He's okay, but he can only draw two facial expressions, horny and hornier.
And the plots for his doujinshi are pretty silly. You could literally just switch the hairs of the characters from one of his Marimite doujinshi and get a 2hu one.

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>>13600091
You sound both depressing and bitter as hell.

>>13600093
He is only able to draw ONE (1) kind of girl. He is only able to write ONE (1) kind of "plot". And that is all he will be able to do. He is both a shitty artist and an even shittier porn mangaka.

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>>13600126
No he's not. The NTR doujinshi are all I need from him.

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>>13598816
I could never get into 2hoe seriously after the many attempts to do so, it just would not click. Then Kancolle comes out of nowhere and it immediately clicks, I'm not really sure why. The comparisons are fucking retarded, that is for sure. They are not even the same besides cute girls.

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>>13600142
touhou girls are not even cute, at least not in the main games.

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>>13600157
I wouldn't say the kancolle girls look to great either.
I played for like half a year when it first started, and I've always thought whoever draws Shimakaze or Fubuki is really bad. I think the only girls that I thought looked good were Tenyuu and Kongou before she evolved. Most of them were boring and some were downright ugly (I forget the name but it was I think a heavy ship and had a awful looking face.)

[Anonymous No.]

There are way too many boatsluts and too many of them look the same.

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>>13600200
We know. But it is pointless to compare Touhou to Kancolle. Wholly different game genres.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13599461
The anime already ended. It'll go back up when S2 comes around then it'll die for good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13599112

I don't even get the difference between taoism and Confucianism. Shit is so syncretic in asia there are basically no differences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13600185

>Shimakaze

Shit girl. Great boy.

[Anonymous No.]

At first the Kancolle craze was annoying as hell, but ever since they've been segregated into one general I haven't really cared.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13598823
>kancolle
>mobage
I don't think you know what that word means.

[Anonymous No.]

So what is the appeal of Kancolle anyways? It can't just be the cute girls and doujins right? There as to be some merit to this crappy webgame.

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>>13600276
3 million accounts and growing. 2 years ago people said it would die off in a year. One year ago people said it would die off by now. And no people say it will die off by next year. It ain't happening within the next 5 years, not with Kancolle Kai right around the corner and more gaijin ships making their debut in the game's third year.

>>13600494
>It can't just be the cute girls and doujins right?
Yes it can.

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>>13600494
Nah.

It's literally just the cute girls and building a harem with them. Once you get bored of the porn there's nothing else.

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>>13600494
People like getting fucked in the ass by RNG, you can tell if you look at both /a/ and /jp/'s threads during events because all they do is complain about how the event isn't raping their asses with the difficulty of 2013. What's funny is the nips and the chinks do it too.

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>>13600494
I like history, collecting things and seeing numbers grow, so Kancolle was a match made in heaven. Building a harem is an added bonus.

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>>13600494
I like WW2 ships and I like cute girls.

[Anonymous No.]

I used to post in the kancolle threads when I played and they were all a bunch of fucking faggots, not the endearing kind. I can only imagine they got worse since then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13600529
Read the wiki, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13600535
I don't get it.
At least don't post anything if you're worried about people clogging up the thread.
Worse is when someone does answer some newbies question and people start throwing a tantrum. Personally, I was probably one of the more knowledgeable players, and had all the ships at the time, and I think talking with newbies and helping them is fun, as long as it wasn't excessive, which it never was.

But I guess everyone just wants to listen to greentext stories.

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>>13598823
>ZUN will keep making Touhou regardless if fans want it or not
ZUN will keep making them as long as it keeps giving him revenue money to put bread on the table.

And I like boat porn too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13600494
It's something to do for 15 minutes a day.

>>13600576
New players should read the wiki. The only time I had fun with people being idiots is back when the game was just getting started and nobody had idea which way was up, so we were all equally lost together.

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>>13600581
>ZUN will keep making them as long as it keeps giving him revenue money to put bread on the table.
...you do know that ZUN has an actual job that lets him support himself and his family and lets him make Touhou games as he pleases, right? He was never dependant on Touhou to survive.

So stop spreading misinformation, if you would.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13600634
The way to deal with it is far worse than the problem itself.
Posting "read the wiki" or "no spoonfeeding" doesn't make the problem go away, it just creates more people who will repeat the same phrase. The kancolle general, when I left, was basically a mini /a/.

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>>13600662
Funny you say that because /a/'s kancolle thread is more open to helping new people. So long as the janitor isn't deleting game talk, that is.

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>>13600670
I'm only talking from my experience, which is from a while ago. My main gripe is there wasn't any room for any discussion outside of meta ones. It was blogging, complaining, arguing, and then some guy would try to start an image dump to combat the negativity and it would only last like 5 posts before it went back to arguing.

The stupidest arguments were about how hardcore you needed to be to be a true kancolle fan.

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>>13600662
Telling people who didn't read the the wiki to read the wiki isn't a bad thing. It's sometimes the best answer.

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>>13600695
Far be it from me to tell other people how to post, but I wish people would actually add a link when they told people to use the wiki (and then added the obligatory fuck off). It's spoonfeeding but it's a very in-your-face way to actually use the wiki, even if it damages your nerd cred.

>>13600694
It's because there's pretty much nothing to talk about. The only remotely interesting stuff in there is experimental data concerning newly discovered stuff like how fit guns actually work.

>The stupidest arguments were about how hardcore you needed to be to be a true kancolle fan.
I just assumed they were all shitposting.

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>>13600494
>There as to be some merit to this crappy webgame

There really isn't. It basically just exploits the same sort of psychological flaws as farmville to keep people playing. It offers rewards if people log in every day to set their expeditions and do PvP and quests, and this keeps the game on the forefront of player's minds. If you don't log in you feel like you've wasted time. Playing doesn't feel like it takes very long, but before you know it you've spent an absurd amount of time trying to accomplish something completely meaningless.

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>>13600950
I refused to believe getting Reppuu Kai by spamming 5-4 and rank for a month is meaningless. If I accept it then I won't know what to do with myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13600963
Saying you have Reppuu Kai is as meaningless as saying you have full raid gear in WoW, the difference is getting full raid gear in WoW takes way less time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13600963
>>13600950
I played a lot of Kancolle for a month or two before dropping my playtime to half an hour a few times a week. Originally I figured I'd get the ships I liked to 99 and then more or less quit, except the first one took over a year with the rest trailing behind in the 80s.

When they released a few new ships liked, I thought about how long it would take to grind yet another pair of destroyers up to 99 and gave up.

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>>13601014
And that you get online recognition from people on your server in WoW. At least that used to be the case.

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>>13601054
People will recognize you if you top the ranking charts, too, except that requires you to invest hundreds of hours of autism every month and since Kancolle isn't a social game (except in the sense that you can talk about it) nobody really cares.

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>>13601053
>I thought about how long it would take to grind yet another pair of destroyers up to 99
Using 4-3, best case scenario where you go to node J and then the other two sub nodes and S rank them, roughly 337 sorties. Easily doable in two weeks with 24 sorties a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13601066
And how long is it going to take me to do 24 sorties a day, given that I have to eat all the fatigue from refreshing every time I hit the Ta node?

It's not even interesting because it's the exact same shit every single day. If I wanted to do that I'd find a job and at least get paid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13601091
Like 2 or 3 hours.

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>>13601091
>given that I have to eat all the fatigue from refreshing every time I hit the Ta node?
You're not supposed to refresh, Ta is a joke most of the time with ships above level 60. It's Ri you have to look out for.

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>>13601093
Do you have to sparkle if your intention is to do them all at once? Whenever I get the will to grind for the day it only lasts until the whole fleet hits their 20s.

>>13601101
My Mutsukis regularly get blown out by regular attacks by red cruisers, they're fucking atrocious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13601112
Sparkling is placebo, it doesn't work.

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>>13601118
If they drop down to red morale I have to get that morale back up through 1-1 anyway, or they really will get shit on.

[proREMIRIAt Elite Force Comman(...) !rSDMROXTB. No.]

>>13600647
>lets him make Touhou games as he pleases
Work and feeding his family comes first, if he didn't find time to make anymore Touhous and he couldn't get money out of making them, guess he would stop.

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>>13600581
Touhou doesn't make zun that much money. It's just sales from comiket and that's it really. After you reduce the costs of making the game and having to manufacture CDs, the profits he makes from that probably doesn't amount to much.

He has an actual job. Making touhou games is a hobby for him.

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>>13601151
>Work and feeding his family comes first,
No shit, Sherlock. What do you think he has an actual job for? Unless you think making Touhou games is what his job is. It's not, it's a hobby, something he does on the side in his free time.

>and he couldn't get money out of making them
You think the PC-98 games made him a fortune? Or Dolls in Pseudo Paradise? Not to mention he's on record saying he would keep making Touhou games even if nobody bought them. Is it really that hard to believe that a man will keep doing what he likes, even if he isn't getting paid or acknowledged for it?

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>>13600581

[Anonymous No.]

What if ZUN made a Patreon account?

[Anonymous No.]

I only got upset when my favorite artists stopped drawing Kancolle instead of Touhou. Thankfully, all of them went back to Touhou and now draw it more than Kancolle.

[Anonymous No.]

Kancolle has very little on me. While anthropomorphism can be fun, I've regarded Kancolle as fucking retarded - cute girls as warships somehow managing to propel themselves by skimming along the water with their feet and packing absolutely ridiculously HUGE weaponry. Such said weaponry sometimes make the character designs look a bit fucked up. Just my opinion is all.

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>>13601441
who'd dumb enough to believe the words of zun? you're a real sucker you know that? he's on record saying kancolle is great and and he wants to partner. then he's a bitter fuck saying he's glad people left 2hu.

zun is also lying about how much money he makes. the creator who gets rich off whatever always say: no, i didn't make any money, i swear. then they buy a 2 million dollar mansion somewhere.and surprise, surprise.

honestly, people on youtube can make millions. if zun is so brain dead he can't make a living off it he needs donate his brain to science cause he's the lowest life form on the planet.

[Anonymous No.]

I do, 2hu fucking sucks and only secondaries/casual shits say otherwise

[Anonymous No.]

>>13601716
Woah this faggot is actually trying.

[Anonymous No.]

Kancolle is a meme that'll be dead in a year while 2hu will last forever

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>>13601632
>cute girls as warships somehow managing to propel themselves by skimming along the water with their feet and packing absolutely ridiculously HUGE weaponry
Wow, that very well may be the best description I've seen for it in ages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13602074
As long as they keep releasing events and new ships. There will be a audience. Frankly, after the last event's disappointing difficulty and pasta ships, I really don't hold much hope the next one.

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>>13600694
You managed to put to be twice in a row in the same sentence and it seems to be right. I'm impressed!

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>>13601716
How many touhou players worldwide do you think have actually paid for ZUN's games? Tell me in percentage and in absolute numbers and then multiply it by how much he charges it for.
I don't believe ZUN is rich at all.

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>>13601441
>Not to mention he's on record saying he would keep making Touhou games even if nobody bought them
Are you actually going to believe every thing a celebrity says? If popularity didn't start picking up, he would have stopped right after EoSD/PCB. But lucky for him, that's when his stuff started getting popular and he started making enough money off of it to live small and not ask for much. Now he makes enough money off of royalties and his games to keep him financially secure. If that didn't happen, he'd be stuck doing only his 9-5 day job for the rest of his life where no one would know or give two shits about who he is. He's quite the egoistic and bitter fuck, but is obligated to say "motivational" shit like that to keep his brainless moron followers like you happy, just like any fucking Hollywood celebrity.

His PC-98 games didn't make him a fortune, it got him started while he was still in high school or college or whatever, when his parents were paying the bills. His franchise started getting big long after that.

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>>13602137
I still find it funny that the character that made the biggest splash with the fan base was a Ryuujou carrier of all things.

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>>13602146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGKLkaRs1NE

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>>13602146
50,000 people at $10 a piece and 3 games each is 1.5 million dollars.

Keep in mind that every year half a million people spend considerably more than that just getting to Comiket.

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>>13602146
Well, there is the manga. But he splits a portion of that with the mangakas. And he prefers large pages, with colored pages here and there. He also often adds a CD or some goody with it. WHatever he is earning, I do not think it is much. He prefers quality in his goods.

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>>13602146
Are you forgetting the royalties he gets for every single 2hu porn mag/doujin CD released? As if his multiple trips to foreign countries every year doesn't show that enough.

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>>13602179
>the royalties he gets for every single 2hu porn mag/doujin CD released?
The sum total of his royalties from these are zero yen and some gifts.

[Anonymous No.]

royalties for merchandise, anime, manga, invitations to events, and selling the game at the comiket along with online. there's probably dozens of other ways he makes money from 2hu too, but the idea he can't make money is fucking retarded. you are literal brain dead. somehow some develops can make money, but a guy who sells x100,000 more than them and has millions of people involved in his creation CAN'T GET A BREAK!!!

2hu tards can't get worse

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>>13602185
Now this is desperation. Brainwashed 2shitters really are worse than boatfuckers.

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>>13602204
Nobody has ever been required to pay ZUN royalties to publish fanbooks or doujin CDs at Comiket. Run along and take your shitposting (or just plain ignorance) elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.]

The fact that Kancolle is still popular means I get more varied porn of cute girls every day. Why would I hate it. Why would I ever have hated it.

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>>13602185
People do not pay ZUN any royalties, so long as the fanworks are done fairly, and it is done only by fans. any corps wanting to cash in will need to answer to ZUN. Like those clowns a couple months ago wanting to do a Touhou kiskstarter,

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>>13602194
>touhou
>anime
Does Zun get royalties from Summers and Phantasm or something?

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>>13602295
Not a cent. But they cannot sell it saying that it is official stuff, or sell it outside of things like comiket.

[Anonymous No.]

Kancolle probably has the better pixiv art but it'll never beat Touhou in doujinshi music. Aside from a few individual songs I've yet to find a Kancolle album I like, but I can listen to entire Touhou albums all day every day. It's just miles ahead. Maybe one day it'll catch up but it sure as hell won't be any time soon.

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>>13602304
all those dolls and plushie don't earn zun any money. neither does selling the game. every other developer on earth earns money from them, but not zun. he's also the only person who has a serialized manga and doesn't make any money. pathetic

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>>13602317
Dolls and plushies are not doujin goods, and pay royalties, but that doesn't make what you originally said any less retarded.

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>>13602317
Dolls and plushies are not doujin goods, and pay royalties.

I originally responded to you thinking you were >>13602204 but realized that might not be the case.

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>>13602317
And yet look at how astonishingly popular it is. People ask ZUN's opinion about things, and comply to his wishes. It is true that ZUN does not ear money from the fan works, but what IS official Touhou merchandise sells like hotcakes.

The Kasen and Kosuzu nendoroids standing in front of me are proof of that.

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>>13600074
Actually he's talking about people who do primary elitism.
And I think you're really, really butthurt.

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>>13602215
Retailers have to give him some percent from any profit they make off of selling Touhou doujin shit. Compounded, this is a big portion of his profits.

[Anonymous No.]

One thing I've always wondered.
Does Nippon Yassan pay ZUN? There's literally 2hu stuff plastered all over the site.

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>>13598816
Fandom rivalry is just for fun. Nobody can be expected to draw the same ten girls forever, so I don't really hold it against people who draw Kancolle.

>>13600294
As I understand it, Confucianism is more like a set of precepts for living well and organizing society, plus ancestor veneration, and Taoism is cosmology, spirituality, magic and gods in its various aspects.

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>>13602157

>If popularity didn't start picking up, he would have stopped right after EoSD/PCB

I think you mean IN/POFV.

IIRC IN was meant to happen after EoSD but because of the TH6 continuity reboot, didn't feel there were enough recognizable characters that could be used. So PCB happened first.

Don't remember reading anything about POFV but looking at Shikieiki and how every other final boss after has been a downgrade from the Yama, it might have been the original ending for the Touhou series if it hadn't made it so big

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>>13602157
>His PC-98 games didn't make him a fortune, it got him started while he was still in high school or college or whatever, when his parents were paying the bills. His franchise started getting big long after that.

The Touhou 1-5 games were works released under Amusement Makers, a game-making group at his college.

I would dare to guess that those games had some level of collaboration with others, and that the plots of the games were also influenced by others. Compare PC-98 to EoSD onward, and the sci-fi atmosphere is almost completely absent later on.

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>>13602679
Riiight, because windows games totally didn't introduce a giant robot.

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>>13602194
ZUN doesn't get any money for anything other than the things he directly worked on like the official manga for instance. He gets nothing from fan made games, manga, events, merchandise, etc. This is a fact you cannot refute. That's how the doujin market works.

You think every single doujin circle in comiket sends royalties to the owners of the series their work is based on? They don't. Companies have always turned a blind eye to this in Japan. That's why comiket exists the way it does now. It would have died long ago had corporations sued the doujin market.

>anime
Please stop talking. It's clear that you do not know what you are talking about.

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>>13602686
Yeah, you're right. I was wrong.

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>>13602729
The makers themselves don't, the retailers outside of comiket do, you dumb fuck.

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>>13602855
Why would the retailers buy hundreds of doujin copies to resell and not keep the profits? No business would do that.

They aren't obligated to send money back to the original authors of the series either.

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>>13602729
>merchandise
stop beating the dead horse when you're wrong. he released a statement saying doujin crap like albums, comics, and whatever that sells at comiket is all okay. it's the SAME for any other franchise that has doujin stuff. so all he was doing was not being a complete jew that he is.

the physical merchandise like plushie, figs, and other stuff which is 2hu franchise and is sold at online stores and retail stores pays zun. why don't you stop trying to insinuate zun doesn't make bank from his shitty fandom. you keep talking about comiket and other trivial wedge issues about doujin crap while trying to deflect from your earlier statements about how zun isn't making money from 2hu.

nobody cares about the 3 dollar ero comics at comiket. the 200 dollar figures and other crap is where he makes the money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13602998
So why don't you link me to ZUN's official website where he sells this official merchandise you keep speaking of?

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>>13603011
how dumb are you? you don't need an "official website" whatever that's suppose to mean. they need his license agreement to sell those 300 dollar figures idiot. those aren't free riding fan works

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>>13603034
>they need his license agreement
Except they don't. We're talking about the doujin market.

Doujin circles don't need his approval to make a figure and sell it. They don't need his approval to sell anything. Have you not been reading the thread? Why would figures and merchandise be any different than fan made manga and the like that are sold in comiket? Because it's sold online

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>>13603061
2hutards get worse and worse. why do japanese allow doujin works at comiket but not allow chinese to sell a bunch of fake merchandise? why do anime series allow ero comikets but they can't produce their own tv series?

the physical merchandise is obviously commercial when they sell at retail stories and are available on for order. a hand painted figure at comiket =/= merchandise sold at amiami made by a COMPANY not doujin circle. my words are too good for a 2hutard. you are totally clueless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13602868
They do keep some profits, but have to send a small percentage to ZUN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13602451
I have never been aware that Toranoana gives ZUN a cut of what they sell, probably because that's something you pulled out of your ass just now.

>>13603102
The Chinese are permitted to, and very often do, sell doujinshi and other doujin goods at Chinese doujinshi conventions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13603149
And by "a cut," I'm referring specifically to a cut of profits from reselling Touhou doujin shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13603153
>I have never been aware that Toranoana gives ZUN a cut of what they sell
Well now you're a little bit less of a clueless shit since now should be aware. Remember that whole White Canvas problem some years ago? It would have never happened if retailers weren't required to give him money for doujin crap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13603160
>It would have never happened if retailers weren't required to give him money for doujin crap.
Twilight Frontier complained to ZUN that White Canvas was not paying Twilight Frontier for consignment sales for their own games, and ZUN confirmed that White Canvas was producing goods in-house. Neither of these are related in any way to the false and retarded notion that Toranoana must pay ZUN whenever they sell a fanbook.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13602451
No. A lot of ZUN's profits come from the retail of his own games and books, but mostly his earnings seem to come from writing the running Touhou manga, which is his job. There has never been any indication that any sort of doujin works have any royalties involved, and many indications that there are none whatsoever. But of course doujin shops that sell his own works pay him dues.

>>13603160
Places like Toranoana have in-house exclusive items for things like the tankobon volumes, but these are allowed explicitly. White Canvas producing their own crap in-house and peddling it alongside actual doujin merchandise was part of the problem.

[Anonymous No.]

So who is making more money off their popular franchise? Kadokawa or ZUN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13603855
Possibly Kadokawa. ZUN is still living in that house of his with his wife. He owns a brewery now though, so maybe not bad.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not into touhou itself all that much, but I absolutely love touhou music. That's what I've been listening to almost exclusively for the past few years.
I kinna like kancolle, but it kills touhou music. That's why I hate it.

[Anonymous No.]

Kancolle is garbage but I don't blame people for wanting something fresh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13603855
Very obviously Kadokawa. Kancolle is made for money and just happens to attract a doujin crowd (that supports their main works).

[Anonymous No.]

>>13603874
>He owns a brewery now though
God damn this nigga is living the dream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13604552
Kadokawa is nearly a monopoly in entertainment. They help make every anime and most of the manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13603994
Yeah, Touhou is really old by now and I seriously doubt it will change all that much over time to be fresh or trendy.

I really wish they could have picked something more interesting than Kancolle though. All that wasted talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13602649
>Don't remember reading anything about POFV but looking at Shikieiki and how every other final boss after has been a downgrade from the Yama

Please, you dumbass Shiki fanboy, you can't possibly think that when Miko, Byakuren, Utsuho, Shinmyoumaru, and Kanako are all very popular.

[Anonymous No.]

The Emprah persists, ZUN lives on with dignity motherfuckers!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13603874
Touhou was never ZUN's main money income, he has a job (same for the wife, iirc she's a programmer) and makes touhou in his free time when he doesn't brew his own beer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13613364
Holy shit the guy is a literal entrepreneur.

[Anonymous No.]

does ZUN use rinux?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13613364
Back when he was selling shit he made in his garage on a shitty PC-98, no, it wasn't, but since then Touhou Project has gotten slightly larger and represents more of his income.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13613364
This would have been correct several years ago. ZUN quit his programming job and is currently a stay-at-home dad whose primary work is Touhou stuff. Ki-san is still working as a programmer, as far as anyone can tell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13599850
>Western fandom is expanding,

This is what I'm worried about with Touhou going forward. The worst thing that could happy is meme tard Americans make it mainstream and we suddenly have the youtube audience in the fandom after pewpewdie does a "so funnah" easy mode playthrough of a game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13613959
You really think that hasn't already happened?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13613992
Not enough to affect me or /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>13613999
Then it would be safe to assume there is no way it could ever possibly affect you or /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13613337
Not him, bit I think he meant how, in power levels, Shiki trumphs any final boss that came after her, making battling her far more plot relevant.

Either way, he did intend initially to end it on PoFV, but let the series rest for some time to see if the fandom would die. Since it remained big enough, MoF came into being. That's why we separate Windows series into pre and post MoF, why those two sets feel so different gameplay wise. Also explains CtC title and plot idea, since it was made assuming ZUN would drop the series forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13613337
>Kanako
>very popular

LOL!

[Anonymous No.]

>Touhou vs Kancolle
Is just bullshit.
Touhou is more about refined girls and Kancolle has straight to the points sluts.

It's just a different kind of fap experience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13613337
Popularity ain't the issue.
Eiki is more powerful than any other character in the entire series, by a long shot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13614038
touhou is full of gigantic sluts

[Anonymous No.]

>>13614154
>gigantic sluts

[Anonymous No.]

>>13614171

[Anonymous No.]

>kancolle

literally strike witches

[Anonymous No.]

>>13614139
-Yukari
-Tenshi
-Yuuka
I might be wrong, but IMO they are on the same level (if not more powerful) as the Yama

Also
>Touhou vs Kancolle
What is this? Can I eat it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13613777
>ZUN quit his programming job and is currently a stay-at-home dad whose primary work is Touhou stuff.

Is it true? Still her wife's job would still be the main secure source of income, I think ZUN left the job to properly take care of the baby while not ruining her wife's career instead of because touhou made so much money he didn't need to work anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13615434
Isn't Touhou, including the mango, just his hobby that he does just because?
I thought his main source of was something else entirely?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13615434
Um yes, that's why I said it. We don't really know how much Touhou actually makes him, but obviously ki-san's income is a bit more stable than writing Touhou works. In any case, it's known he left his job at Taito way back in 2007, so he's been self-employed for quite a while. He didn't leave to take care of his kid or anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13615441
see >>13613777

[Anonymous No.]

>>13615433
Eiki is stronger than Reimu, Yukari and Yuyuko combined. In fact, together they would fail to put a scratch on her. And Reimu can't be beaten by anyone else, according to IN. Tenshi would have the best shot, but she would lose to Eiki. Yukari is powerless against her, and Yuuka has been beaten several times by Reimu, who loses hard to Shiki Eiki.


The Yama is INSANELY powerful, outside of Danmaku battles. Nobody before or since can compete.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13614139
cool story bro, but ZUN disagrees

[Anonymous No.]

>>13616293
>Eiki is stronger than Reimu, Yukari and Yuyuko combined
This is false. The ending was a joke about her being a nagger

[Anonymous No.]

>>13616332
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Seasonal_Dream_Vision/A_Beautiful_Flower_Blooming_Violet_Every_Sixty_Years

The only canon and ZUN only thing about SDV

[Anonymous No.]

>>13616332
Sorry, it's canon. Don't fuck with the judge of paradise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13598823
>>13599549
>mobage

>>13599283
>DMM's very strict no fan made games policy
>DMM's
It's Kadokawa's, and their last word on it was along the lines of no comment. At the very least it seems that fangames not commercially sold are fine.

>>13600200
>>13600581
>>13602204
>boat

[Anonymous No.]

>>13619263
Fangames are basically never commercially sold. Their doujin guidelines say no fan games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13619309
Whoops, I meant not sold. I mean as long as it's distributed for free.

[Anonymous No.]

it's most silly when people accuse a guy who draws entirely touhou fanart of selling out when they switch over to drawing kancolle fanart

[Anonymous No.]

>>13615433
Tenshi is a pushover. She relies too much on her sword, her danmaku is not beautiful at all.

Going by SWR, I'd even say Komachi > Tenshi, and Eiki > Komachi, so Eiki > Tenshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13619400
That line of thinking is so absurd

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>>13619400
>>13619770
As absurd as that is, you have no idea how bad these rabid fans can respond to those artists.
They don't even hesitate to give them the finger , and literally told them to stay the fuck off a con.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13619400
What's with the chink subtitles?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13620105
It's made by a butthurt chink

[Anonymous No.]

>>13620144
Nay, I've seen this one posted on /k/ before, it was clean.

I even saved it because it's pretty good animation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13615430
With shittier art and even dumber designs. Those leg-pellers are stupid as hell but the water skimming with these fuckhuge guns is even stupider.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13619400
The thing is there are people who are actually profiting from drawing doujin enough that it's their main motivation to draw. So some hardcore fans accuse them of selling out because they always flock to the next big doujin thing, be it Kancolle, or love live or whatever. it's stupid but it's not completely baseless as in all those artists who switched did so because of interest.

Personally there is zero appeal in Kancolle for me. I hate web games/pay to win games and I have no love for Japanese battleship or its near modern history. it's a bummer that some great Touhou artists switched to Kancolle exclusively but I don't think Touhou as a whole is dying or anything close to that. The only long term concern is what would happen if Zun decides to move on to something else or he becomes no longer in a condition to be able to put out new Touhou games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13613364
I'm pretty sure ZUN get's a fairly hefty sum of money from figure royalties and such.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13616293
I think that if Touhou really ended there, it would have been a good finale, because now, even if ZUN wants to finish this, I don't think he can find someone more powerful than the Yama (maybe a goddess, but that would be strange, since Reimu is only a shrine maiden and I don't think a god would want lose even in a danmaku battle).

It just wouldn't have the same impact, since now, in-universe, Reimu's powers are growing exponencially and you could say that she had the same powerlevel from EoSD until PoFV (that's why she had to side with Yukari to take on the aliens in IN, I think), then SSiB came and Reimu's training made her more powerful and so on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13616293
*cough*Lunar Sisters*cough*

Hence the fact that ZUN doesn't really want to feature them in the games because you're suppose to win.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13620287
>it's a bummer that some great Touhou artists switched to Kancolle exclusively
Name literally one great "touhou artist" (I'm going to assume touhou-exclusive mangaka) who has done so. After defining "great," because I'm sure my definition is at a higher standard than yours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13620287
The reason the line of thinking is so retarded is because the majority of them were already sellouts when they were drawing Touhou, if they weren't sellouts then "Secondaries" wouldn't ever exist because the books would conform to the canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13631182
He's probably talking about shitters like itomugi-kun

[Anonymous No.]

the concept of fanartists "selling" out mighty retarded, because what the hell do they owe to Touhou anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>13634720
Those fanartists would have never been popular if they didn't sell out to Touhou in the first place so they owe their entirely livelihoods to it and should be forced to draw nothing but Touhou.